20 Ways Obamacare Will Take Away Freedoms

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20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our FreedomsBy David Hogberg

Sun., March 21, '10 3:24 PM ET

Tags:Health Care-ObamaCare-Freedom

With House Democrats poised to pass the Senate health care bill with some reconciliation changes later

today, it is worthwhile to take a comprehensive look at the freedoms we will lose.

Of course, the overhaul is supposed to provide us with security. But it will result in skyrocketing insurance

costs and physicians leaving the field in droves, making it harder to afford and find medical care. We may be

about to live Benjamin Franklins adage, People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve

neither and will lose both.

The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation

bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.

1. You are young and dont want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to

minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750

annually for the privilege. (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. Youll have to pay

for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of

whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. Thats because insurance companies will no longer be able to

underwrite on the basis of a persons health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage?

Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer.

(Section 2711).

4. Think youd like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for

such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services

or offer them with cost-sharing, even if thats what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn t allow your employees slacker

children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization,

maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health

treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services;

preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and

vision care.

Youre a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. Youre a woman whocant have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. Youre a teetotaler? Tough, your policy

must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a Bronze

plan, which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of

the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you d like to offer policies with deductibles

higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 50 employees) and you do not want to provide health

insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under

the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want todeduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, cant do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you dont want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The

Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that

measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the

resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational

purposes. Its not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients care. Of course

not. (Section 3003 (i))

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12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a Medicare

provider agreement by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didnt have those by

then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you cant (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B).

Unless, it i s located in a county where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it

has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than

200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed

unreasonable by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied.

(Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a

pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sellto the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the

U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at

$2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at

$2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that

money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).

16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical

device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10%

of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think

you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).

The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a

medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough.

(Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer,

what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administ rative costs. So, if your

net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or

$670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion

in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better

spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred

compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint

return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you

earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates,

and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you

need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you

know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

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qwondre -Here ya go- with references! It's a start..... |03-23-2010 22:39:04

10 THINGS EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD KNOW ABOUT HEALTH CARE REFORM

1. Once reform is

fully implemented, over 95% of Americans will have health insurance coverage,

including 32 million who are currently uninsured.2

2. Health insurance companies

will no longer be allowed to deny people coverage because of preexisting

conditionsor to drop coverage when people become sick.3

3. Just like members

of Congress, individuals and small businesses who can't afford to purchase

insurance on their own will be able to pool together and choose from a variety

of competing plans with lower premiums.4

4. Reform will cut the federal budget

deficit by $138 billion over the next ten years, and a whopping $1.2 trillion in

the following ten years.5

5. Health care will be more affordable for familiesand small businesses thanks to new tax credits, subsidies, and other

assistancepaid for largely by taxing insurance companies, drug companies, and

the ver...

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JR -Thank God |03-23-2010 22:27:02

Thank God for Government! I was so stupid. I thought I knew what was best for

my family. Now I realize Congress and the Government know best. Health care

for all, will eventually be the same as health care for none.

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Hasn't any of

these people ever read an Economics textbook?

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Joan |03-23-2010 22:12:34

IT IS ROBBING MEDICARE OF 500 bILLION.

IT IS FORCING AMERICANS TO BUY HEALTH

INS.

YOU WILL PAY HIGHER TAXES, HIGHER INS PREMIUMS.

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CK -I'm glad it passed |03-23-2010 20:57:11

I'm self employed, so this bill is a blessing for me. No more denying access

to health care for people with pre existing conditions. I'll gladly keep

paying my share. No more paying for uninsured people in emergency rooms. In

2014, no more keeping a job you hate because they supply health care. You will

be guaranteed the right to purchase your own as a self employed independent

person. I feel a sense of relief that I won't get dropped from my insurance

plan if I ever get sick and actually need it. This bill is about consumer

protections.

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Anonymous -Censored |03-23-2010 20:52:08

My post was censored. See if I renew my IBD again.

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Anonymous |03-23-2010 20:41:18

shouldn't be surprised that the same group that is entirely comfortable

w/spending at least $100 billion a year on wars in the Middle East are outraged

and offended at the idea of spending $100 billion a year on our own health care

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IK |03-23-2010 20:34:54

I do not see anything wrong with any of that. If those assertions are true

indeed (I did not read the bill), those restrictions are there. But each

argument against them is flawed. Takle paragraph 6 that deals with a single guy

having to pay for prenatal care. Applying that logic, only adults with children

would have to pay school tax. And what then? The problem of all those who want

to scare people with this bi ll - be it that it is not perfect, is that they fail

to understand that the right way to see things is from the general to the

specific, and not the other way around. The more people are insured, the more

the hospitals and doctors will benefit. It's the volume. Maybe, and I do not

know it and am just speculating, the rate of compensation will be lower, but

there will be so much more people able to pay. And they will be able to pay for

the preventive care that will drastically cut hospital costs when, like now,people...

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Phyllis -What you can do |03-23-2010 20:30:25

Call your states Att Gen office...voice support if they are suing, if they are

not, encourage them to do so..register to vote now..do your homework on

candidates in November elections...stop the commie take over with your vote!

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Chris -? |03-23-2010 20:26:41

I'd just like to point out that the most severe and direct infringement of our

personal freedom, in the bicentennial history of United States, was the

so-called Patriot Act. So pardon me if I don't take you seriously if you

supported the Patriot Act and all of a sudden this public HEALTH legislation is

too "fascist" for you.

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Haleigh -Doctor shortage |03-23-2010 20:20:43

Its true. I was accepted to both Medical school and veterinary school this past

year. I chose to go to veterinary school because of this healthcare plan. It

will comepletely dictate how doctors practice in the future.

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SukieTawdry |03-23-2010 20:18:45

Tom: "1. With ObamaCare's takeove of the student loan system, the federal

government now provide all such loans directly, rather than just reimbursing the

banks. So if the government gets to approve loans directly, the government gets

to decide who gets loans and who doesnt. "

Not only that, the

government will decide who among the graduates is pursuing a "worthy"profession and who is not. Someone who goes into "public service" has a

good chance of having his loan forgiven. I guess because "public

service" is such a sacrifice.

Government is supposed to level the playing

field to the extent possible (and prudent), not choose life's winners and

*****s.

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joseywales |03-23-2010 20:07:39

Everyone that is concerned about this country and the direction that we are

headed needs to read this article:

http://article.nationalreview.com/4289

96/tattered-liberty/mark-steyn

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Ydnar Llebpmac -Wow I'm amazed at.... |03-23-2010 19:56:46

...how many people in the U.S. are actually duped by the lies that this Health

Bill is going to "help" people.

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joseywales |03-23-2010 19:53:13

Everyone who cares about this country and is concerned about the direction thatwe are heading needs to read this

article.

http://article.nationalreview.com/42

8996/tattered-liberty/mark-steyn?page=1

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Tom -College Quotas |03-23-2010 19:48:50

1. With ObamaCare's takeove of the student loan system, the federal government

now provide all such loans directly, rather than just reimbursing the banks.

So

if the government gets to approve loans directly, the government gets to decide

who gets loans and who doesnt.

2. Under ObamaCare, 10 to 30 million more

folks are going to be showing up in doctors' offices, and about 30 percent of

the primary care doctors in America will leave the medical profession, creating

massive waits and shortages.

So given one student wanting to get an MBA and

another wanting to be a doctor, the student loan bureaucrat looks at his numbers

and sees the quota for MBAs has been exceeded but the doctor shortage is still

acute. Guess who doesnt get their loan (some technicality will be found) ?

Can anyone say for sure this isn t a backdoor way for the government to

control what professions future generations go into? If you need a student ...Reply 132

selfsufficient1 -Social Programs |03-23-2010 19:45:17

The references to social security made me do some math. (OUCH)

For the number

of years I will pay social security I would have reaped 4,000,000 dollars at a

conservative return rate. I could have spent this money or passed it on to my

children. With social security I will have to live 20 years just to collect

480,000 dollars and I will not have this money to spend or pass down to my

children o my children. Social health care will be a failure too.

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JLB -This sucks |03-23-2010 19:40:23

The solution was to get people back to work so they could get back on a

healthcare policy that was lost when they lost their job. The Pharm Industry

could add 100K jobs paying $23K yearly, for the same money they now have to hand

out for nothing in return. The medical device industry could've added 50K jobs

paying $40K a year for the money they have to fork over. The Insurance Industry

could've added 200K jobs paying $32K a year to branch out into new territory but

now they have to fork it over to the govt. Hey you have nots! Stay in school,

get a job and earn money like the rest of us! Quit asking for a handout! This

is a total mismanagement in funds!!!

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Rick -All seems so familiar.. . |03-23-2010 19:32:10

Remember a couple years back when the shoe was on the other foot? Remember the

go to responses that Conservatives would repeat over and over?

Now listen to

your own words guys:

1) Not supporting our president is unpatriotic.

2) If you

don't like it, move to another country.

So take your own advice.

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This article made me want to throw up. It's just all about me, isn't it? Has

anyone here ever considered that there are *other* people out there in our

society?

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Dr. Jason H |03-23-2010 19:25:30

What this health care bill will effectively do is not only fix a problem that

doesn't exist but will cause multiple more issues. First we will see a mass

exodus of quality physicians who will realize that they would rather retire than

get payed less and taxed more to work very long hours in a very stressful field.

We will also see a decrease in good candidates going into medicine not only

creating a shortage but a dilution of good providers. The idea of good health

care at a low cost is a joke. Good providers will seek a model whereby only

people who have good insurance will be seen thus those who have poor insurance

will no longer get the benefit of going to the same places as people with goodinsurance creating a tiered system of care. Because the level of care will

begin to deteriorate you will actually see more medical mistakes and without

tort reform you will see an increase in lawsuits leading to hight malpractice

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Common Sense -Get real |03-23-2010 19:18:10

Everyone here that posted that this is some "conspiracy","rise to

communism", etc is full of ****. Get real and gain some common sense. This

is an attempt to help people who are less fortunate, and those selfish people

who can afford to spare cash will be the ones that contribute the most to paying

for this. Its sad that people are against taking care of one another.

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Daniel Booker -Spin it all you want |03-23-2010 19:01:59

You can spin this issue anyway you want, but America has changed, and we will

reap what we sow. The brave men and women who sacrificed their lives for the

freedoms we today gave away for a pot of mush, will call us fools. What

happened America? We stopped believing in "God we Trust", and believed

a lie instead. Don't stop praying America, God has not moved one bit.

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selfsufficient1 -Allison Reply choices |03-23-2010 18:56:11

I can not choose what is best for me. I can not choose a major medical policy

only. My policy will have certain things it has to cover that I will never need.

What will these lack of choices do to my premiums?

Reply 163

selfsufficient1 -auto insurance vs health insurance |03-23-2010 18:50:19

there is a big difference here as with auto insurance you have choices. You may

purchase insurance, or you may show proof of financial responsibility. No

accidents and the money is still yours. With this bill you have to purchase theinsurance and even without claims your money belongs to someone else.

Reply 171

EM -Why |03-23-2010 18:48:41

This bill will help a lot of people, huh? Why should someone like myself and my

gf have to work our ****s off to provide health care to someone else. By that I

mean, many Americans who take advantage of the system, have large families

irresponsibly and decide to go to the emergency room for everything and

anything. Not only will this bankrupt our country, Raise our taxes, and

quadruple our deficit, but now we will have the same strategic HC used in

European Countries, Canada, etc. Have you (Americans) travel to France, Greece

or Canada to go to a DR/Hospital?

Reply 234

**** Lover -yes |03-23-2010 18:46:47

As a gay I must say that you're argument is invalid.!

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**** Lover -yes |03-23-2010 18:45:38


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**** Lover -yes |03-23-2010 18:45:18


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Ed F -[giant eye roll] |03-23-2010 18:36:05

Do you realize how ridiculous your hysterical rants sound? The sky is not

falling, and your freedom is not evaporating. After 100 years of dysfunction

and misaligned incentives, we're finally doing something about moral hazard and

the fundamental market flaws in today's heal th care system. Thank God for the

courage of the Democrats to lead and govern on this one.

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DontTreadOnMe -CONTINUED |03-23-2010 18:27:31

"wacko conspiracy theorists" have been warning about since 1960, but you

just laughed at them, calling them "tinfoil hat wearers."

The enemy

is inside and showing its beastly face.
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him when they discovered he had AIDS? Or the lady with breast cancer...her

insurance company cancelled her policy the day BEFORE her surgery. Just

yesterday I spoke with a lady who said her aunt worked and paid for insurance

until she retired. She found out afterwards she had cancer. The insurance

company would not cover the treatments. I asked this lady did her aunt get her

treat...

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Wammer -Too Bad |03-23-2010 18:16:16

We need Health care reform, but this bill is not reform. All it did was take

away core freedoms for doctors, insurance companies, and consumers. It also gave

the power to the gov't since 1) communism worked swell, and 2) Massachusetts

system also works well 3) Canada's system also works well.

Reform has to fix the

problems not copy medicare

The next step is for a public option which both

Obama and Peloci are fans

Reply 184

Allison -reply to AGSMom |03-23-2010 18:15:21

You can still choose what is best for you. The choice here is for those without

health insurance...those who want it and can't afford itl As far as HC being the

beginning, I have to politely disagree. Bush and Chaney took more freedoms from

us than any other administration. As I said earlier, HC reform helps those who

do not currently have insurance and WANT/NEED it. It will not change want you

personally want or need UNLESS you ask for it. Have you heard the story (yes

these are true) of the 17 year old young man who's insurance company cancelled

him when they discovered he had AIDS? Or the lady with breast cancer...her

insurance company cancelled her policy the day BEFORE her surgery. Just

yesterday I spoke with a lady who said her aunt worked and paid for insurance

until she retired. She found out afterwards she had cancer. The insurance

company would not cover the treatments. I asked this lady did her aunt get her

treat...

Reply 413

Enraged -Get off your lazy ass!!!! |03-23-2010 18:11:03

The only people in support of this bill are people that have been abusing the

system in the first place!!!!

Reply 247

Ang W -What about congress? |03-23-2010 18:08:18

Isn't ANYBODY aware that Congress and President Obama are all exempt from this

new healthcare bill?? Shouldn't that tell everyone something??? If this new

healthcare plan is not good enough for them, then how on EARTH is it supposed tobe good enough for all of us law-abiding citizens???? That's what I wanna know.

Reply 114

SEC -live with it |03-23-2010 17:52:08

1-Health care is something we can live with and help a lot of people with. 2- It

better than not having any health care. 3-if you not for helping others than you

must be a selfish person and we really don't care what you think.

Reply 432

AGSMom -what freedom is lost? |03-23-2010 17:39:42

the freedom to choose what is best for yourself and your family is the freedom

you've lost... plain and simple. And HC is only the beginning... with a foot in

the door, the govt. will now be able to decide everything for you because

apparently we all are not capable of deciding these things for ourselves.. silly

us!

If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I,

and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It

seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.

Thomas Jefferson

Reply 182

megaman2 -not the same as auto insurance |03-23-2010 17:38:49

@joDi - Comparing the health care bill to auto insurance is inaccurate.

Auto insurance is only required if you want to drive. You can still opt not to

drive; plenty of people decide to walk, bike, or use public transportation.

Reply 93

George Delgado -The Beggining of the END |03-23-2010 17:36:26

Wait till he uses his take over of our educational system (student loan program)

to create the army he mentioned during his campaign. I'm sure he will tie it to

loan fmmGGAorgiveness for service time.

Reply 104

Kristen -KB |03-23-2010 17:29:40

****o?!?! Look at all the money this bill takes from people and companies. The

amount of money it costs is insane. They basically are bankrupting companies.

Also, requiring driving insurance and requiring health insurance are two
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totally different matters. A person can make a choice of whether or not they

want to drive. Driving is a privilege, which can be taken away.

The

"right" to health insurance is total BS and goes against what America is

all about. This bill is unconstitutional . I cannot believe they got away with

this. This MANDATE is absolutely insane.

Reply 142

Lorione -The difference |03-23-2010 17:26:37

I keep hearing the comparison to car insurance. Here is the difference: driving

is a privilege, and buying insurance is part of the price one pays to have that

privilege. Buying health insurance is, what? The price one agrees to pay for the

privilege of merely existing? There is no agreement, tacit or otherwise. This is

the first time US citizens will be forced to purchase a good or service merelybecause they exist.

Reply 102

pj -be responsible |03-23-2010 17:08:59

well, how about if you have a couple hundred thousand in savings you don't have

to buy health insurance...

no one young and healthy thinks they need it, until

they need it ... and don't have it... and then can't pay, then end up in

bankruptcy...

it's either get the insurance or have a single payer system based

on tax contribution alone.

folks fighting so hard to not have insurance on the

claim of 'freedom' are not grasping that there is 'responsibility' that goes

along with freedom.

anybody can end up with a catastrophic illness or

accident or lose a job and then need health care and not have the funds to pay

for it, then have a preexisting condition that won't be covered when you get

re-employed...

we all are at risk.

something needed to be done.

Reply 523

joDi -stop whining |03-23-2010 17:04:47No one *****es this much when they live in a state that requires car insurance

and fines you if you choose to not have it.

Also, I work in the research sector

and still support big pharm being charged yearly.

Reply 525

markartist -happy |03-23-2010 16:56:33

right now if insurance companies were to change their rates based on actual

expenses, it would be about a 1/3 less rates, have you ever seen the ridiculous

hospital charges? Why do you think they charge those rates, insurance wants to

make money from each transaction, not only "covering your expenses.

Also,

less than 5% of this country makes 250k or more income, are you kidding me?

Reply 617

Thinh Phan -Most of American still in day dreaming!!!!...Good |03-23-2010 16:51:58

I lived with Communist for the past 15 years and I know exactly what Obama up

to. I remember the quote from the South VN President said "Don't believe

what the communist say but look carefully at what they done". "They say

one thing but does the other". They are very good in propaganda. If you

don't wake up now then it's too late when your freedom is taking over.

American

freedom is the last place on earth if you don't protect them.

GOOD LUCK to all

!!!!!!

Reply 285

Paul K -M-TURMAN |03-23-2010 16:38:40

Your a typical small-minded liberal. Blame Bush for aftermath of Katrina? I

think one would start with the MAYOR OF THE CITY, and then the GOVERNOR???

Your

so small and closed-minded your bias prevents you from an honest debate. Plus

I'm intellectually superior to you.

Reply 217

TeaBagger -Hope-y Change-y |03-23-2010 16:37:30

Hope-y Change-y


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or

Scared-y, hate-y, whine-y, paranoid-y, craze-y,

dumb-y

?

You make the call

Reply 514

Gerald Ford -My take |03-23-2010 16:34:16

A GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE!

Reply 293

Donna |03-23-2010 16:29:30this about sums it up...

Reply 34

Allison -lost freedoms? |03-23-2010 16:28:32

What might those "freedoms" be? I think if you take a "

comprehensive look" you will see no "freedoms" will be lost. Former

President Bush took away some of our basic rights such as Habius Corpus and many

more. This is a HEALTH CARE REFORM issue. It does not cause you to lose any

"freedoms". It might cause corrupt politicians and big insurance

companies some discomfort....oh well....

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Allison -lost freedoms? |03-23-2010 16:27:46

What might those "freedoms" be? I think if you take a "

comprehensive look" you will see no "freedoms" will be lost. Former

President Bush took away some of our basic rights such as Habius Corpus and many

more. This is a HEALTH CARE REFORM issue. It does not cause you to lose any

"freedoms". It might cause corrupt politicians and big insurance

companies some discomfort....oh well....

Reply 534

Dana -Vote |03-23-2010 16:19:40

I think that all of the American Citizens should have been given a chance to

vote on ObamaCare.

If you live in a community that wants to increase sales

tax to build a new jail, you get to vote, so why weren't we given an opportunity

to vote on this? I believe that they knew that the majority of American

citizens would have rejected it.

There were better ways to reform health care.

Did anyone ever think of tort reform for malpractice suits? malpractice

insurance is why it costs so much to go to the doctor. As his insurance

premiums increase, it is passed on to the patients. Dr.'s are sued everyday for

ungodly amounts of money. It is called a medical practice for a reason.

If the

cost of doctor and hospital visits could be controlled, more people could afford

to go or even buy insurance.

I was an employee benefit specialist and now I am

looking for a career change. I want no part of what will become of this.

Reply 315

Donna |03-23-2010 16:17:52

this pretty much sums it up

Reply 24

m. turman -What? |03-23-2010 16:15:54

even if this article has valid points to make, there are so many spelling and

grammatical errors that no one could take the author seriously.

another hit

piece from right wing radicals who had nothing to say while Bush ignored OUR

NATIONS needy in the aftermath of Katrina, and oversaw the murder of over ONE

MILLION iraqi citizens during 6 years of occupation.

Hypocrites all of them

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joseywales |03-23-2010 16:07:12

A previous commenter quotes the gallup poll indicating that Americans favor this

legislation. All of the polls that I have seen disagree. They are however,

beside the point. This is the point:

We are now living from bond to bond

auction. We are broke and unless we correct our course there will be a fiscal

crises that will make 2008 AND 1929 look like the good old days. If you graph
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Reply 308

Aaron Spuler -Franklin's Quote |03-23-2010 13:48:37

Funny, I just happened to post Benjamin Franklin's quote on liberty and safety

on my blog yesterday. Going to link to this post as

well...

htp://www.spuler.us/gunsandammo/

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Hammern Husky -Constitutional Amendment |03-23-2010 13:41:32

At this point, with overwhelming public disapproval of this bill and, as of this

morning, 13 state attorney generals preparing to file suit (I think that would

make 30+ states considering legislative action), would a constitutional

amendment be out of the question?

I am certain the wording and intent can be

addressed later, but use something simple as a starting point. Something simple

along the lines of "The federal government will not force an individual (or

private entity) to enter into an agreement with another individual (or private

entity)."

I am not certain that I am in favor of a Constitutional

Convention at this point, but with this legislation be "passed", and

legal challenges being prepared (that the White House seems to think can be

overcome), would this become the only way to prevent (roll back) this

legislation?

Reply 122

allen -mr |03-23-2010 13:01:07

Docs will leave in droves to set up private practices -- cash only, full price.

Docs can do this as they will be in short supply. They won't take ANY insurance

plans.

Reply 311

dcalyn -I Am Canadian And Not For Socialism |03-23-2010 12:55:54

For the record this is a Canadian who understands the pit falls of Socialism.

Many of my Countryman DON'T, and won't until they know the difference of having

a business here Stateside and up North. The Government in Canada takes over

half your cheque for taxes. There are so many Fed regulations, that almost make

it impossible to reach any type of major winfall. Why are there more

millionaires in the U.S. then any other place in the World? Because America,

awards (well at one time) awarded hard work. Gave tax breaks, and encourage

entrepreneurial endeavors!

In America now you are going backasswards! You are

going to start doing in Canada what should've NEVER been done here. Rewarding

people who are doing nothing.

Of course you can be happy in Canada, if you

don't want to succeed and pick up your check and live off other peoples

wages...

And thanks to the idiots that voted this thing in, that is exactly

what you...

Reply 506

Tater Salad |03-23-2010 12:50:48

How to help ourselves:

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrio

r/2010/03/22/the-republican-party-fighting-with-ha

lf-its-brains-tied-behind-its-back/

and here:

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

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babbo -US Health Isn't Canada Health |03-23-2010 12:29:06

Interested Canadian: You might want to brush up on the legalities a little

yourself. You don't seem to recognize that the law Barack Obama signed into law

today bears no resemblance to the Canada Health Act whatsoever. Under this law,

the for-profit corporate s***bags responsible for the rate-hikes and ballooning

costs are being put in charge of everything, and the every member of the
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American public will be required to do business with them or face an income tax

penalty? There is no provision of any kind for the public option you, the Brits

and French have.

Reply 839

HowSoonWeForget -50.8% |03-23-2010 12:24:45

50.8% told us what to do with our health.

219 / 431 = 50.8%

so they aren't

even a 51% government.

i guess you cant govern with 51%.... you only need

50.8%!Reply 191

Caribou Barbie -for the "interested canadian" |03-23-2010 08:57:01

interested canadian i think its grand that all you canucks get "free"

medical care and can choose your job based on its merits and not the

insurance...oh yeah...didn't one of your national leaders recently hop the

border to have major surgery in the united states? hmmmmmmmm....that must have

been because health care in the great white north is so stellar and

expedient....not. face it....you all are on a rationed care system and that

politician knew it. he knew that he would die or face a worsening condition

because he had to "get in line" behind all you other canadians to get

his health care. Need open heart surgery?? No problem! We will schedule it in

three years!! Don't you dare try to criticize us who prefer a free market system

for healthcare and not government rationing. Oh, and btw...we do have a safety

net for the poor...it's called medicaid...run by the government of the united

states.

Reply 275

SCS -Canadian health ins. |03-23-2010 08:49:36

Yea...your system is sooooo good your own politicians need to come here for the

real deal.

Reply 222

Shimmer128 -Oh yes, surrrrrre we're better off. |03-23-2010 08:47:23

The first comment I read is some ignorant screed by some Canadian sheep that

loves the heavy hand he or she lives under. This person has no concept of

FREEDOM and yet lectures us about our supposed lack of understanding of our

Constitution and constitutional processes! What a joke, he (or she) thinks they

are so elite and enlightened, but are showing gross incompetence and ignorance

Reply 223

Don -Con Law 101 |03-23-2010 08:47:00

Captain Constitution,

here is the text of the commerce clause... " [The

Congress shall have power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among

the several States, and with the Indian tribes"

now...where in there does

it state that the federal government has the power to regulate banking? it

doesn't. it's an implied power taken from that, and the necessary and proper

clause.

all of those supreme court cases just prove my point further that when

the country's national/public interest at stake, the court will most likely give

deference to the Congress to regulate businesses that affect every member of

every state. the fact that the last check on legislation, the supreme court,

has historically upheld social programs to be constitutional totally proves you

wrong.

You post the 10th Amendment as if it is some stand alone do***ent that

needs to be adhered to strictly.

If you were as smart as you think you a...

Reply 331

An interested Canadian -Interesting |03-23-2010 08:30:30

I love how this is being equated to the stripping of freedom. How about the

freedom to not have to worry about losing insurance? The freedom to work where

you want based on the jobs merits and not its medical compensation plan? The

freedom to choose a doctor, or hospital (as we have in Canada) based on the

doctor or hospitals reputation vs their alliance to an insurer.

Oh my god, it

must be horrible to think that you are paying for those that don't pay enough.

Based on that shallow argument, shouldn't you be ****ed off about paying for the


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military which guarantees your security regardless of how much you pay in taxes.

How about fire fighting? My god, that welfare person over there is getting

fire protections services just like me... how very unconstitutional.

It never

ceases to amaze me how little American's know and understand their own

constitution and constitutional processes. The only thing that the constitution

Reply 1677

Mike -Goodby Marxists! |03-23-2010 08:20:35

The Marxists who are posting on this web site don t care one wit about the

freedoms they have lost over the last 80 years. They think it is better for the

government to control what people do, rather than give freedom to us for us to

make our own decisions about our lives. Facts don t seem to matter to them at

all. They are typical drones they dont think for themselves and blindlyfollow the words of their great leader, Obama.

Yes, the Marxists

intelligence is tiny, and their brains small, but they are dangerous. Now we

conservatives and libertarians are united in our opposition to the Marxists.

Your days in power are numbered. You will be defeated. You can post garbage here

all you want. There are more freedom loving real American voters then Marxists

like you. You are going down. And if you dont like it, please just move to

your version of utopia Cuba. I am sure you will love it there and we will be

glad you are ...

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TG |03-23-2010 08:11:51

It really does not matter how good or bad any provision of the bill is. The

reality is we don't have the money for it. Every Government program before this

has exploded far beyond what it was projected to be and this will be no

different.

When the bills come due the Government simply will not have enough

money to pay them because the U.S. will be bankrupt. So in the end no one will

have Health Insurance, because private insurance companies will be out of

business as well. A company can only survive if they make a profit. Basic

Economics 101 !

Reply 323

Pro Constitution -Yes, I know the constitution |03-23-2010 08:11:35

Don

-The constitutionality of the Social Security Act was settled in a set of

Supreme Court decisions issued in May 1937-Yes, Medicare falls into a same

grey area, however no litigant has ever challenged it.

-The Supreme court has

ruled on minimum wage, and states have the right to change minimum wage

-Uh,

regulate banking is under the commerce clause

-The Fair Labor Standards Act

1938 was challenged before the Supreme Court

Kind of hipocrital to tell

someone to read a book when you don't seem to be able to.

Reply 52

Mike -Horrible Bill |03-23-2010 08:00:10

Reagan said it best: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from

extinction. We didnt pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be

fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will

spend our sunset years telling our children and our childrens children what

it was once like in the United States where men were free."

Reply 443

TruthSeekingHoosier -Healthcare a right? |03-23-2010 07:57:34

So health care is a right? A right must be paid for by taking from someone

else? What about their right to determine their own destiny?

So what about

food? I can live a lot longer without without going to a doctor than I can

going without food? So it's a right to eat? By all means then let the

government decide what and how much we can eat and make others pay for food too.

Oh yea, they're working on that too!

You people screaming for government

health care are a bunch of whiny, Pablum-puking babies who don't know the first

thing about this country's history and what made it prosperous in the first

place. Yes, there's much that needs correction but this bill will only compound

our problems.
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So go ahead and reply on your government-provided computers you

pathetic *****s. The **** is about to burst and you'll drown with the rest of

us.

Reply 332

Don -You know nothing of the Constitution |03-23-2010 07:43:31

Where in the constitution does it give the federal government the right to set

up social security? medicare? set minimum wage? regulate banking? regulate

pollution? set minimum working ages?

where?

Oh no all these laws are

unconstitutional!!!! AAHHHHHH!! WE HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO!!!

Read a book

before you start spouting off at the mouth about what is and what isn't

constitutional.

Reply 823

nvrpc -Stop Socialism Now |03-23-2010 07:41:53

We now know the names of the first 219 AH's in the Congress to remove

Immediately. It's time to clean the house and senate of all socialist once and

forever. America Gone Stupid

Reply 333

Pro Constitution |03-23-2010 07:38:19

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The powers not delegated to

the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are

reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

OK, so we know it isn't

constitutional now.

All it will take is one court case and see how long this

democrat **** lasts in court.

Reply 243

Anonymous |03-23-2010 07:36:33

Thought you might like to read this .Bob

Reply 20

Anti-Republican -Get a Job! |03-23-2010 07:13:30So, all of you reading this. Do you know who the author is? David Hogberg,

Ph.D., who oversees health care/Social Security programs. Do you think he is

upset about losing his job?

Reply 712

Don -LOLOL |03-23-2010 05:03:58

"I thought we elected officials to represent the people. Obama

is

frightening...truly frightening. He is a sociopath and has rallied

his

constituents into becoming mouth-frothing, head-nodding sycophants who

are

afraid to defy him. Where did he come from? He had no previous voting

record,

and many wonder who, really, is backing him. He is Jim Jones bringing

the

American public to drink the cyanide-laced drink. Scary. "

Honestly,

read this/your post. Who sounds like a "sociopath"? Who is

"frightening"? Who sounds like they've been rallied into

"mouth-frothing, head-nodding sycophants "?

Take your head out of your

ass. You have been manipulated by the use of fear and misinformation.

How

can you not see this?

The frightening thing going on is the realization how

truly ignorant and narrow minded so many people really are as to get up in arms

and feel hatred/fear towards a president who ...

Reply 1738

Rick -Dummies - read the f'ing bill before you get all h |03-23-2010 04:04:49

A lot of those points are wrong. I know it's fun to get all bent out of shape

about losing your freedoms based on a commentators 20 line summary of a 1000


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page bill, but use the brain the lord almighty gave you, think for yourself, and

you might discover the world ain't such a bad place after all

Reply 1157

Jim M. McDermott |03-23-2010 03:46:09

Not only is this bill a blatant attempt to destroy freedom, but one major thing

is left out of this article. For 98% of Americans there will be no benefits

until 2014. We are to be taxed immediately or even retroactively from March

robbing us all. Like buying a car and having to make payments for 4 years

because we can't have the car until 2014. Total nonsense and this is the end of

the Democratic Party. They doom America to economic disaster we reserve the

right to remove them from power. Google '2011 Obama's Coup Fails' and see what

I mean. We are on to all of the Marxist **** and America now rises.

Reply 527

The Fighting Corpsman -Obama is Unfit to Lead or Make Laws |03-23-2010 03:27:02Politicians can become president. Only leaders can be great in the hearts of

those they are to serve.

The media can love a fraud, but the m***** don't

trust Obama or see any reason to follow him with their hearts.

This man sets

no example of ethical leadership for our children, our men and women serving in

our U.S. Military, law enforcement, CIA or FBI. See 'The Military's Moral

Dilemma'

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Comrade Bob -The End is near |03-23-2010 02:58:33

This bill is laughable. Except that it actually passed which is very sad. I'm

hoping it will be repealed and parts (including individual mandates) will be

decalared unconstitutional.

Doesn't really matter - the US and state

governments are bankrupt so this bill and ALL bills that this congress will pass

are meaningless - this nation is going down - and hard.

http://www.europac.net/outlook.asp

It's sad that we have a nation of

people who expect the government to take care of them instead of working to take

care of themselves. We voted for the politicians that allowed this mess to get

where it is so we deserve what we are going to get. Stock up on food (freezed

dried lasts the longest), water collection/purification system, seeds (start a

garden), learn to ride a bicycle, obtain and learn how to safely own and operate

a gun, learn and follow all gun laws or else they'll throw out a murderer to

make a cell for ...

Reply 327

spectacula -ha! keep whining! |03-23-2010 02:37:27

Anyone here ever see that John Grisham movie with the guy who got denied even

tho he had coverage? That is all your saying goodbye to... Don't act like

couldn't happen to you... America will be a better place because of it, and more

countries will be jealous... Don't You want to be GREAT?

Reply 854

Crombie -Idiots |03-23-2010 01:55:28

Most of the posts I've just read are written by idiots............you actually

think your about to get hosed when you've been getting rammed the whole

time.......grow up.....none of you know what you're talking

about............everyone who pays for insurance and/or medical care is

overpaying.............the only reason why everyone should have insurance is

because of *****s who don't pay their medical bills. When hospitals and doctors

get stiffed....we all get stiffed. I'm sick of republicans crying about health

care, abortion and whatever else they feel the need to whine about. The deep

problem is government demo or rep I don't care anymore it's all a joke. If you

want to know how to pay for government get rid of politicians..............They

should be here doing my dishes, laundry and misc. chores around the house. D.C.

is the biggest waste of resources ever.

Reply 1431

****bo slice |03-23-2010 01:50:33

The health care bill is an abomination that will make insurance unafforable

because of the rules it imposes on insurance companies, which must impact

premiums. I have a better way to pay for it. Tax the $25 billion illegal aliens

wire to Mexico at 20%. Fine the employers of illegal aliens $10,000 per head,

multiply that by 20 million and you are talking some money. That's $205 billion


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afraid to defy him. Where did he come from? He had no previous voting record,

and many wonder who, really, is backing him. He is Jim Jones bringing the

American public to drink the cyanide-laced drink. Scary.

Reply 299

Fake Boobs -outraged |03-23-2010 00:02:20

"If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the

cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better

than the government? Tough"

omg so outraged!! how will i get ankle implants

now!?! i seriously can't afford the 5% tax on this! i mean, i had the money

before, but the 5% tax too?!?! thank god i've already had my boobs, ****, lips,

cheeks, thighs, feet, fingers, shoulder blades, torso, and hair cosmetically

worked on or i'd be in real trouble!Reply 1013

matt -lol |03-22-2010 23:55:13

sweet blog douche

Reply 210

Anton Carr |03-22-2010 23:48:38

HEY MICHAEL, STOP BEHAVING AS A SAVAGE IGNORANT AND START READING RIGHT

STUFF.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/22/h

ealth-reform-bill-summary_n_508315.html

HURRAY FOR HEALTH BILL!!!!

Reply 635

Mtek |03-22-2010 23:46:55

I love the fear being used in this article when one line of the

"But it

will result in skyrocketing insurance costs and physicians leaving the field in

droves, making it harder to afford and find medical care. "

"14. You

are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that

increase is deemed unreasonable by the Secretary of Health and Human

Services it will be subject to review and can be denied."

Isn't that a

direct contradiction?Reply 612

joseywales |03-22-2010 23:42:36

RE: Some other guy - to some guy

What the **** does that mean? It would

appear that the cannabis has beaten your intellect into submission.

These

blogs are the only way for many of us to participate in the dialogue. Too bad

that the discussion can't be on a higher plane.

Reply 45

Mr. America |03-22-2010 23:39:04

OH and to the landscaper crying about his 2 million in sales but nothing in net:

Are you saying that you don't want to insure any of your workers? Are any of

them here legally?

Reply 60

Michael R -This is Great! $750 a year premium! |03-22-2010 23:37:04

I just figured it out! I'm going to go with the $750 a year plan!

Given I'm a

healthy 47 year old male, and I don't really need a lot of health care at this

point in my life.. I've seen the doctor twice in the last 20 years and they

we're just my 40 and 46 year old check-up... I can refuse insurance, pay my

penalty of $750 per-year and if (IF) I kick over with a heart attack, Obamacare

will kick in and cover me. So I'll be safe and my annual premium is only

$750.

I'll take the "opt-out" plan. :)

P.S. Why did they do this? Why

not just look at the root problems of why Healthcare is so high to begin with?

Why not put limits on Medical Malpractice so the blood sucking lawyers aren't

chasing ambulances? Why have hospitals and doctors have to publish their price

list for services so it's competitive? Why not crack down on illegal aliens

(i.e. undo***ented law breakers) and make them pay for care or send them home


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(i....

Reply 375

Mr. America |03-22-2010 23:37:02

Hey Mike, are you REALLY that upset about "the way the bill was pushed

through"? If you are, then you better take a long look at the history of a

lot of our bills...the republicans wrote the book on getting bills pushed

through!

Reply 730

Religion Sucks |03-22-2010 23:34:14

YOU ALL ARE FULL OF IT

Reply 420

mike -Obamacare |03-22-2010 23:23:45

keep giving it to them Michael !

i am SO angry about how the Pelosi and Obamathreatened, bribed and bullied their fellow Democrats into voting for this bill

!

if this bill was such a good thing, then why did Democrats need to have their

arms twisted to get enough votes to pass it ???

what's next - granting

illegal aliens amnesty ???

Obama is Hitler without the mustache.

Reply 276

Some other guy -to some guy |03-22-2010 23:15:57

ever see the conservatives commenting on this website??

I have, and they're the

ones that don't want this. Because they choose to comment, I don't believe they

deserve the rights to a computer. There's a new bill you can pass.

Reply 426

Anonymous |03-22-2010 23:11:58

Well Beckel on Hannity is pushing the new DNC talking points "we must come

together and accept this.....its time to cool down.......this is permeant and we

all need to adjust and learn to live under this new system"

This

imply that you are a "danger" and "angry" and

"irrational" if you dont sit down and take your enslavement

silently!

Get used to hearing this line alot!

Now, lets not aid

the Democrats in their campaign to get people to cool off.

Obama is going to hit the road in a day so selling the benefits

of the Govt takeover.

Here are the DNC main themes (all false):

- Its not govt run HC because its not single payer or govt option, its

private insurance

- This bill is no big deal moderate and

watered down; go back to watching tv

- This is is a giveaway to

insurance companies.
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This is all false and co...

Reply 156

Gabe Nathans |03-22-2010 23:11:01

Who needs the government "looking over your shoulder", I think we should

all be free to do whatever the **** we want.

This is what you're saying. *****

laws against murder and theft, they infringe on our freedoms.

Healthcare should

be a god given right, so suck up your selfishness and sacrifice freedoms for

morals.

Reply 626

Mr. America |03-22-2010 22:53:37

Socialism is full govt. control and ownership of industry. If the govt

eliminated the private sector, that would be socialism. Restrictions upon and

heavy regulation of an industry is not. Even if there was a public option, the

bill wouldn't equate to socialism as the private industry would still exist.

And for those throwing "communism" out there...well, all I can say is go

back to 7th grade.

Reply 834

Some guy |03-22-2010 22:53:17

You do realize, Mr. America that she isn't comparing mooching to health care,

she's saying that they now go hand in hand. Ever see the lazy *******s in public

housing? I have. Every day of my life. 95% of them sit on their front stoops,

smoke and drink all day, and have been doing that all their lives. But why

should they stop when they live for free?! They've even interviewed people that

only like Obama because he's giving them free money. They're the ones who want

this, and they're only multiplying...

Reply 278

boof -reading between the GOP lines |03-22-2010 22:49:17

Im reading what the hardline GOPs are really saying: "Help, a ****** is

ruining the economy"

Reply 522

Mr. America |03-22-2010 22:49:13

Taxed Enough: Your Reaganism/trickle down theory works nice in a blog, but we

all saw over the last few years what really happens when Wall Street goes

unfettered. Even Reagan realized this and raised the taxes he had cut. Trickle

down doesn't work. Historically proven. The tax structure under Clinton, whichwe will be returning to, worked out well.

Reply 933

Mr. America |03-22-2010 22:45:41

Chelsea....lol, so you equate mooching off your parents to health care? Apples

and oranges. You still need a job, don't you?

Reply 52

Zombee -Growing government is the real reason |03-22-2010 22:45:34

Growing government is the real reason Progressives are pushing socialized

medicine. They know perfectly well it doesn't work. They are neither blind nor

stupid. They don't care about your health, or what healthcare costs you now, or

about rationing or low quality care. No arguments about the inadequacy of

government-run healthcare will move them. Socialized Medicine grows government,

and gives it total power over our bodies. They will literally, with the stroke

of a pen, have life and death power over every single person in the country. It

doesn't get more totalitarian than that.I will Continue

Seeking , Opposing

and Challenging Progressive Oppression Wherever It Mestasizes. We May Have Lost

the Battle, But the War Is Just Beginning!

Reply 236

Anonymous |03-22-2010 22:45:32

When republicans go crazy like this you know America is doing something right.

Reply 1132

Mr. America |03-22-2010 22:43:53

ScottB: The Whig, Democrat, and Republican parties have all evolved many times

over (or vanished) since the time of Lincoln. The Republican party from the

time of Lincoln is unrecognizable today. Go Wiki the party and read up on it's

history.Reply 65

selfsufficient1 -Had my way too long?? |03-22-2010 22:38:26

If I had my way we would not be in the predicament we are now. Life in prison

would just be the death sentence. Drugs would be legalized and the large amounts

of money could be taxed. Gangs would not be selling them and would not need to

fight for territory. Prostitution would be legal and the ****s would not be able

to use 12 year olds. Marriage would be a religious ceremony only and civil

unions would be the only thing recognized by government. (Seperation of church
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and state should already make this so) Illegal immigration would be treated as

just that, Illegal and be prosecuted. I have not had my way and will sadly

probably never get it.

Reply 206

That kid over there... |03-22-2010 22:35:57

Ever read 1984? If not, you probably should. Eric Arthur Blair (George Orwell)

was a genius about this stuff. The American society has a great many issues to

overcome. The Health Care Bill passing? What a mistake for us to let that go by.

It is the first step into socialism, then finally communism. Now the textbook

definition of Communism, doesn't exist. All men are created equal, sure, but

they sure as **** don't make it out equal. Society is split and for society to

remain stable, it must always be split. This **** that the Left wing Liberals

have been passing and all the debt that's being built up and the overall

reliance on the government has gone up exponentially. And myself and mychildren, and their children, and maybe even their children's children will be

paying for this. It disgusts me.

Reply 216

joseywales |03-22-2010 22:25:20

Continuing

Until they realized that speaking honestly would hinder passage of

the legislation, the proponents of this approach to "health care" reform

were stating openly that this is a trojan horse that will eventually lead to a

single payer system. Single payer cannot control costs any other way.

Real

health care reform would have relied on a market based approach to increase

competition. It would have lead to more control over health spending by the

consumer of the services.

Reply 103

joseywales |03-22-2010 22:23:23

Adam Smith's Invisible Finger - WRONG AGAIN

Actually Adam, I've read Rules

for Radicals. Once upon a time, I too was a leftist. But then, (after far too

many years in an academic environment) I entered the real world and I had enough

intellectual integrity and enough courage to change my views. Nothing focuses

the mind like having to make a payroll.

The math on this is relentless. As

of today, all of the insurance companies are public utilities and probably willnot survive. Stripped of any other method of cost control, rationing will have

to be used to contain spending. This rationing will be directed at those who

use the most care, the elderly and the chronically ill.

Until they realized

that speaking honestly would hinder passage of the legislation, the proponents

of this approach to "health care" reform were stating openly that this

is a trojan horse that will eventually lead to a single payer syste...

Reply 126

Anonymous |03-22-2010 22:45:28

ugh Canada, Saskatchewan, has a more stable economy then any place in the

world...

Reply 59

Aris |03-22-2010 22:14:48

I love how clueless most people are...your rights were most infringed on the day

the Patriot Act was passed...that is where your quote of Benjamin Franklin would

have fit better...comparing provision of healthcare to the actual removal of

people right to privacy...you my friend David, are a complete and utter

nincompoop

Reply 1021

Hey Libs -CBO estimates |03-22-2010 22:14:44

The estimates for Medicare turned out to be 9X lower than actual costs.....gee I

wonder what the actual cost of this will be? But we will get much worse care, so

thats good. Hey libs, who will be paying for this monster? I am a small biz

owner who will be laying people off because of this bill. Also- can one of you

libs give me an example of socialism working in the long run?

Reply 208

Chelsea -Don't want to be a Slacker(anymore) |03-22-2010 22:10:12

I'm 20 yrs. old, currently living at home with my 2yr. old son. My health

coverage under my parents ends at 22. I feel keeping it at this age gives me

motivation to get a job by the time I'm at least 21. If this does pass, why

would I want to start working? I could continue staying at home till 26, then

move out and still have coverage. This idea is NOT what I want to do!!

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income.

9. You cannot establish security on borrowed money.

10. You cannot

help men permanently by doing for them what they should do for themselves.

Reply 313

Don -Cant' find it?? |03-22-2010 21:25:55

No, you can't find it. Because it i sn't in there. Yet you sit here and bash

the bill on that premise and how bad that'd be fore you, but as usual its more

hot air and a talking point where u think you're sounding at all

intelligent.

You have no idea what this bill means for this country. You read

nonsense articles like this that are written with a severe bias rather than look

at real information and facts and then draw your own rationalinferences.

they're shoveling you ******** and you're sitting there with your

mouth open wide waiting for the next shovel full.

If you're going to talk with

so much anger and hatred and self-righteousness at least base it on some fact

and knowledge, as opposed to how something looks on the surfaces and political

talking points.

Reply 920

Don -correction.. |03-22-2010 21:15:58

50+

Reply 30

Don -What are you babbling about? |03-22-2010 21:14:17

Can you point me to specific text where it is saying $500k business

payrolls?

All I'm seeing is all businesses with under 50 emplloyees aren't

affected, and the language in section 1513 only applies to large businesses with

101+ employees

where are you getting this?

Reply 54

Conservative -conservative |03-22-2010 21:13:35

America its not a rally cry. I truly see this every day I go to work. I wish I

could honestly say that a majority of people dont abuse the system but its true.

I actually hate be

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