Letslearn togetherPart3

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October 2009

behnam October 1st 2009 Dear Friends,

How are you today? I hope you are having a nice day. There is an article entitled 'Learning English with the Internet', in 'New Pages..' section of this site. The runner of this site has kindly addressed to our thread, when giving some tips on how to improve our language skills on the Internet. I have put two comments there, and Marina has done it as well. Please have a look at it and read what Clare has written. It boosts our selfconfidence! :):):) By the way, I would like to take this opportunity and say that dear friends (Mohsen, Mortaza, Cathy, Setayesh, Elham, Rosa, Nana, Sepehr, Ahmad, Muhammad, Mahta, Veronica, Andrew, Maryam, Manal, Asal, Mina, and all people who have put messages on this thread), I HAVE MISSED YOU TERRIBLY. Please do not leave us alone. We need you friendship. I hope to hear from you soon. Please do not keep me waiting. All the best, Behnam, 1 October 2009

behnam October 1st 2009 Hi Marina, How are you? I hope you are fine. Many many thanks for friendly nice posts. They all make my spirit up. They make me happy. They make me laugh. You are a great writer. You know how to make your friend feel happy. Dear Marina, driving cannot be done theoretically! You have to practise, since it is a practical skill. If you want me to be your instructor, that is OK with me, but I have to sit beside you in a car! :):):) I doubt if you allow me to sit next to you in a car! :):):) If I could change this world, or if I could choose a new world, I would like a world without

poverty sadness, w illness, greed, crue desert, and flood. One thing w y, war, elty, which really makes me y e sad, ver unhappy and angry is seeing so aristocr ry ome racies or ric people, a other pe ch and eople around them like so beggar rs. ome Yesterd I was dr day, riving to ho ome. I was d disgusted to see a mode car park in front of a very ern ked beautifu house; lik a palace, and two pe ful ke , eople were washing an cleaning their car! I made me nd It feel unw and ill. My head ached for a w well while. I still get angry w l when I reme ember that situation. Why? Why? Why? Why some p W people stea (I believe earning mo al oney illegall is worse than ly t stealing and mak themselve powerful and rich, an then other people m be their servants? g.) ke es nd must r I really hate this si ituation. When th here is a pa alace, surely someone h lost thei small hom I don't k y has ir me. know how to state what o t is in my mind. I hop you get the point. B y pe t Believe me, a the mome I am ver sad again because at ent, ry n, it remin me deep hatred of t cruel world. :(:(:( nds p this Almost in all situat tions, the more stupid, the richer t they are! It is really str range! As if, treasures f, are foun by stupid people!!!! nd d ! My min doesn't he me with writing mo It stopp working I hope you forgive me nd elp ore. ped g! u e. I hope t hear mor from you soon. to re All the best, b Behnam 1 October 2009 m, r 376 mortaza a.abtahi Oc ctober 1st 20 009 Dear Be ehnam, Maybe ingenious p people are a after someth hings more i important a more va and aluable than money n and pow wer:) By the w which one is more important wealth or knowledge? way, e t: Regards ds, Mortaza a October 1, 2009. r

metze October 1st 2009 ean Dear An ndrew, You can ask the Ta driver di n axi irectly bring you here ,p g please brin your thick packet mo ng k oney with yourself I do know where is R lf. w Rosa , She is a history t s teacher, as w as Eng well glish ,Spanis teacher, sh We real need her, Roooooosa ly aaaa.... Where are you I am going to visit Al u, g lhambra for rtress , Please h me...? help

I have a good new ,I have a friend from France , she may jion us very soon. I am drinking a Mug of tea in one breath. But nobody give me money Mohsen

ahmad safarzadeh October 1st 2009 Three things in life that are never certain: Dreams - Success - Fortune Three things in life that,one gone never come back: Time - Words - Opportunit Three things in life that can destroy a man/woman: Alcohl - Pride - Anger Three things that make a man/woman: Hard work - Sincerity - Commitment Three things in life that are most valuable: Love - Self-confidence - Friends Three things in life that may never be lost: Peace - Hope - Honesty

ahmad safarzadeh October 1st 2009 Don't be upset from people, because they are upset too, they are alone but they run away from themselves because they are in doubt about themselves & about their love &their fact, so love then even when they don't love you

ahmad safarzadeh October 1st 2009 In the name of God who created the life with death, created the colorless friendships, created the life with colors, the love colorful, the rainbow in7 colors, the moth in 100colors & created me nostalgic

ahmad safarzadeh October 1st 2009 1. Knowledge is the legacy of the Prophets; wealth is the inheritance of the Pharaohs. Therefore, knowledge is better than wealth.

2. You are to guard your wealth but knowledge guards you. Therefore, knowledge is better. 3. A man of wealth has many enemies, while a man of knowledge has many friends. Hence, knowledge is better. 4. Knowledge is better because it increases with distribution, while wealth decreases by that act. 5. Knowledge is better because a learned man is apt to be generous while a wealthy person is apt to be miserly. 6. Knowledge is better because it cannot be stolen while wealth can be stolen. 7. Knowledge is better because time cannot harm knowledge but wealth rusts in course of time and wears away. 8. Knowledge is better because it is boundless while wealth is limited and you can keep account of it. 9. Knowledge is better because it illuminates the mind while wealth is apt to blacken it. 10.Knowledge is better because it induced the humanity in our Prophet to say to GOD. ?We worship thee as we are your servants,? while wealth engendered in Pharaoh and Nimrod the vanity which made them claim God-head.

mortaza.abtahi October 1st 2009 Dear Behnam, When I was reading your last post to me and I reached the point where you mentioned that, during your recent journey to Mashad, you passed Damghan by bus and then you remembered of me, it made me feel very happy:). Thank you! Now, you have a real image of the city I am living in, and this may help us to have a better connection. And when you were talking about the conditions in that bus, I was underestanding you very well! Let me talk here a little about myself. In 1374 (1994), I finished my highschool and I got a diploma from a school at the city of Neyshaboor (I am not a Neyshaboori!!), and then I took the exam that is well-known as KONKOOR! I became successful in passing the exam, so I received a document (a form) which I had to fill it out to determine my preferences for universities and majors I wanted to study. I filled out the document and sent it to its destination. After a couple of months I learnt, from an official newspaper, that I was accepted to study

Mathematics at the university of Rafsanjan!, and do you know where is this city located? At the time I was shocked! Why? Because I had never put the name of this university in the list of my preferences! It simply was a big mistake; instead of entering the code, for example, 428 I had entered 482!! I did not have any choice but going to Rafsanjan and registering in its university as a new student. At the beginning, I was so sad and desperate to find a way to get out that city, which was far from my city. After struggling for a couple of months to move to some better and closer universities at which I really deserved to study, I realized that trying to go somewhere else was just a waste of time and energy. So I decided to start studying hard and being the number one student at that university; it was not very difficult and I got all teachers' attention after passing final exams in the first semester:) Now, we are approaching to the main point of this writing. During all those 4 years that I was studying at Rafsanjan, I had to go there by bus, because, at the time, there was no a railway from Mashad to Rafsanjan and, moreover, I did not have enough money to afford plane tickets. At that time, buses were not as good as these days; they were old, used and not in good condition. I usually came bock home, from Rafsanjan, to visit my parents every 2 months. At spring and summer the bus was so hot and in the winter it was cold so that we had to wrap a blanket around our feet and ankles. It was a very good experience and I learnt a lot from it. By the way, while I was a student at the university of Rafsanjan, I had a chance to visit the city of BAM and, in particular, the BAM Citadel (Arg-e BAM), the largest adobe building in the world, before it was destroyed during the earthquake in 2003:(:(:(. Thank you for reading this long text. Mortaza October 1, 2009.

Andrew October 1st 2009 Dear Veronica and :)... ...and also everyone concerned (and having a possibility, depending on Internet stability and speed) in obtaining voice speaking practice. As far as I know people often being confused or even afraid to speak by voice. During face-toface conversation there are no things which help us to feel comfort and confidence: time to think over a phrase, use a dictionary. Even to follow some definite subject comes to be not so easy.

But ther is simple way to form a voice co re e m onversation in order to make it mo sequenc n o ore ced, comfort table and th herefore usef eful. This wa is: ay to discu our own posts, any p uss possible mi isunderstandings, corre mistakes Someone may just ect s. think ov the ques ver stions to ask in advance k e. I bring my apologi for rising this subjec again and again to t ies g ct d those of you who has no a u possibil of using Skype or a lity g another simi 'voice& ilar &video chat' program. P ' Probably yo get such ou a facilit in the nea future. Ev ty ar verything ch hanges. All the best, b Andrew w

Mari ina1 Octobe 1st 2009 er Dear Be ehnam, our ords toward me and " M My wri d Ms. iting" :) , on behalf of her I say " n h Thanks a lot for yo sweet wo you e f Thank y from the bottom of her heart" :) riend, your a answer was deep, I can understand what you were trying to say, I fe your s n g elt Dear fr sadness deeply, but I think the is no wro with the current w s ere ong world except the human beings. " t la yoghy Allah m bekawme hatta yog yor ma en ghayero ma be anfoseh hem". If we l looked arou us we und would see that hum beings a the reas of the va majority of disaster ( global w s man are son ast y rs warming , sadness depression, poorness cruelty an so on). s, s, nd I think w shouldn't blame the world, we should blam ourselve because t world is great as we e me es the long as we are so. We shou uldn't blame only rich p people but also the "se ervants" as y called t you them. we sh houldn't blame only who giv the brib , but also who takes it! o ves be Whatev we tried to change t world ar ver the round us we would ruin it , let's ke it , and let's try to e n eep change ourselves w which is har rder than ch hanging the whole wor around u e rld us.:) se great amoun of poor c nt children (wh are under 10) who ho Who should be blamed becaus of these g hting to sell cheap chew wing gum or taking money from hi or her , o even tryin to clean r im or ng are figh people's cars even they don't w s want??? What ab bout the all privileges t that I/you/h him/her can take , but w are not a we allowed even to think n about th hem??? WE SH HOULD BLA AME OURSE SELVES. I m mean all of u me inclu us, uded.

I don't want to dig this topic more, because it reminds me by lots of sad things around us. I'm sad now somehow, so poor Marina makes you happy , and you make her sad , I think it's unfair! :) At last, I would like to congratulate you for everything, writing about your own thread on this well known website is one of them, and having me as a friend is another one :) :) :) :) By the way, there is an unanswered question which I asked depending on your writing to Rosa, what about it??? please be kind enough and write something, I'd like to dig in that topic more. I hope to read more from you soon. Marina.

elham_z October 1st 2009 Hi all my dear friends I hope everything is ok with you all. Right now I was thinking what to write after the above sentence that all of a sudden a question was formed in my mind to ask you: Now , right now what is your desire in life? What is your greatest wish at the moment? I want you to close your eyes and think about it?????? I know it is a personal thing , you may want to keep it as a secret. But here all of us just have contact thorough words and it is our soles which talk together. isnt it? Actually I want to know how someones desires change in the process of getting older and how different they are from person to person. Anyway I started writing this comment to tell you ?.. Oh I think iv forgotten . come on elham Ya ..thats it.i remembered. First I wanted to announce that im so lucky finding this really wonderful place .im not exaggerating. Honestly I tell you that I love it to come here and read your comments .I do this every day even some times twice a day to check all you have written. I like it so much to write here but I am not as experienced as you are and this is exactly the reason why I enjoy being here as I learn a lot from you. Dear Marina I enjoy reading your posts as well as Behnams since you easily express yourself .you have a special way of writing that with reading your posts a picture of your personality is formed in my mind . I love to make friend with you , Rosa , Veronica and all the ladies here to use your experiences as an older sister of mine if you accept it. And since Iv got no brother it would be a pleasure for me if all guys here accept me as their younger sister . sometimes I feel I really need to know the mans world . That?s all.

I hope I can learn how to express myself in a better way in the near future. Im waiting for your answers . Your sister: elham 377 Andrew October 1st 2009 Good evening Elham, You would consider me as your brother hmm..or an uncle, maybe:) Yes, this site/forum/particular thread is really very attractive place, a place which I have strong affection to. I might confess that I have more interesting and exciting meetings and talks here rather than in a real life. Do you believe me? I wonder if I not already said it to you (if yes, please forgive me for recurrence:) don't embarass to speak. Than more you speak than better your speaking becomes.

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mortaza.abtahi October 1st 2009 Hello Rosa, First of all, I would like to sincerely apologize for being late in answering. It is now Thursday evening, 22:35 to be pricise, and tomorrow is Friday and I usually stay at home on Fridays. As you know, I have a daugther who is now 7 months old and she is about to have her first pair of teeth. I think, these days, she must not have a good feeling in her gums and she seems very vulnerable. Last night, she could not sleep very well and thus she did not let us to have a good sleep!! Thus, today, my wife and I were not in a good mood and we were feeling tired and sleepy. Sometimes, I think being married and, in particular, having children can prevent me from doing my job and being successful in finishing my plans in my life. Maybe I am wrong! Dear Rosa!, you wrote "I am a teacher, not a friend or something like that". This is a very important point for me as a teacher. Actually, I don't know which one is better: Being just a teacher for my students or being a teacher and, at the same time, being a friend? I know that the friendship between me and, for example, my colleagues must be different from the friendship between me and my students. It seems very difficult to find the best level of relationship between me and my students; it differs from one group to another. And about "men and women at the same place of work", the topic seems a little ambiguous to me? What do you mean by "at the same place of work"? Do you mean working at the same environment and perhaps under the same roof, or working at the same level and at the same position? If the latter is what you mean, then it is very interesting to talk about it. And if the former is what you mean, then, in my opinion, the answer is clear and the topic seems trivial:) By the way, please do not forget to let me know the number of the page in which your writing about "beauty" exists. I like to know your opinion about that topic. All the best Mortaza October 01, 2009.

sami October 1st 2009 Dear Marina Hello, how are you my friend? I hope you are better at your stomach and you are feeling well now!

At this moment I am writing from my office. I am still at school. I usually have a free hour from 21 to 22, so I am taking this opportunity to write you. You should know (Marina and the rest of friends) that I always visit this thread, but not always have free time to write. So imagine, sometimes I have 5 free minutes, then I come to the computer to read your writings. In this way I follow your writings, however I cannot follow the same rythm as you. Please forgive me!! I dont want to lose contact with this thread and the people who write here! Well, I told you some days ago that I will continue writing about your question, and this is what I am going to do ready now. Your question was: "How do you feel you are in love?" Well, sometimes it is better not to write personally, but dear friend, I am not able to answer this question without taking into account my perosnal feelings and what I have lived. It is a little bit difficult with this topic. Another thing I wanted to mention is that I read Behnam's writing to you, about my reason to ask you such personal questions. If I asked you those questions is just because your question made me ask it! ;)) I am quite sure you would have asked it to me If I had made you that question!!!! :)) Well, first of all I would like to say that being in love is something difficult, or to say it in a different way, you dont fall in love with different people every day! (Imagine that!) When you fall in love nobody else in this world is important except your "love". This means you are all day thinking of him / her, wanting to spend a lot of time with him / her, talking to him / her..........and everything is you do or think of is related to him / her. When you are in love with someone, you feel complete with him / her. This is as if we as individuals are not complete until we find our half-orange (as we say in Spanish). Some people can say "I am complete and I dont need a boyfriend or girlfriend". It depends. I put you an example. I am an independent girl, in the sense that I can live alone, I can cook for myself, I can wash my clothes, dishes, I can go shopping alone, now I am independent economically...so it can be said that I am complete, I can live by my own. However, I am not emotionally complete. Why? because I am not in love, because I havent found my man yet. Do you get my point??? Moreover, when you are in love, you want to make your love happy. You are always trying to please him / her, as well as you are worried when he / she is not near to you, when he/she is far... When you are in love with someone you feel he / she is the person you want to spend the rest of your life with, the person you want to be your partner in the journey of life. What else? Emmmmmmm. Well you may think I can feel all you have said for a friend or a relative, but love is something much stronger than what you can feel for a friend or relative. My dear Marina, when you are in love, you yourself know you are in love!! I will answer perosnal quesitons if you want to know them.

I have to leave now, Lots of kisses dear friend, Rosa, 1 October, 2009.

Andrew October 1st 2009 Hello Mohsen, hey, hey, hey, catch this cab! You catch, I pay. I 'ave th whole bloody pile of worn ewros! All the same those spanish farmers know how to drink wine. I was almost done... z..z. So are we going to Alhambra? Can you bring me and my amigo senior capitao to Granada, please? Yes dear Mohsen, I don't mind if you light up your pipe; our driver fumes by his cigar like a steam locomotive, his mate takes out a cigaret. Well, I probably smoke a cigaret too. Though I strongly believe that london's policemen would stop a car which looks like if there is a fire inside of it in ten seconds. So Alhambra, a palace, a mosque and a fortress, a residence of Moorish rulers, "pearl in emeralds", "paradise on earth", a complex been build by arab conquerors in the middle of 14th century. Nice! May I ask you amigo don't strew an ash onto my trousers? Thanks! Well, what else? Okay, it remains to make it to the destination point and for now I can sleep a little.z..z.. No, I can't because of..don't mind, seniore, smoke as far as you wish, please! Or can we make a short stop just here? I see nice woods around the road. I wonder could I leak out some of that wine? Thanks! So... a palace, a fortress, Moorish rulers..z..z.. ..Palacio de Comares...z..z.. Torre de Comares, Palacio de los Leones, Alcazaba, Torre de la Justici, Plaza de los Aljibes, Puerto del Vino, Torre de la Vela, Torre de los Siete Suelos, Torre de las Damas, El Generalife - that's ok, not so much.. Do stop smoking your damn pipe at last, Mohsen! Every dog in Spain is well-informed that you are a Captain. Better try this wonderful strawberry. Mmm! Adore strawberry. Well, what's up my capitan? What's up? You shine like a new dime? Keep silence all the time? And smile so enigmatically? Hey, old boy you..what.. fell in love? Tell me who she is! Please! Don't try to decieve me for I see one meter under you feet. What? I 'ave rich imagination? Okay. ..... Then don't sleep when I can see you because you mutter when sleep. You can give out all your secrets:)))) Hallo Rosa! Do you know we are going to Alhambra? I hope we'll be back tomorrow morning. What about to meet at some cafe to have a siesta? What is a proper time to have a siesta in Spain? Right, we'll pick you just at the University, ok? Bye:)

Mohsen, don't pout, man, what's up?

sami October 1st 2009 Hello dear Mortaza! I hope your nice daughter let you and your wife sleep well tonight! Poor babies suffer a lot when their teeth are growing!!! The page in which I worte about beauty is number 369, a post addressed to Behnam. It is not too much, just a paragraph or so. I think you can get my idea about beauty by reading it. I hope it is enough. I could add that beauty is relative, what may be beautiful for me may not be beautiful for you, so we have our own idea of beauty. The next topic, about being a man and a woman at the same place of work, under the same roof, maybe in the same room. Behnam thinks he wouldnt like her wife to work in the same room with other men. I think I can work with men in the same room and nothing happens, I mean, there is not problem. What do you think about it? Dear Mortaza, did you read Marina's question to me? she asked me "how do you feel that you are in love?" or something similar, I have given her my opinion, but I would like to know a male opinion now. you are a man, and you are married, so...would you please asnwer this question for us? I will accept it in case you decide you dont want to write about this personal topic, there would be no problem. Do it just if you feel like. ;)) Today, I am very very tired!! My feet hurt, and it seems I have been running 1000000000 miles without stopping!! today it has been a long day. In the morning we (teachers) had a meeting about Swine Flu, what to do in case of having any students with this flu, in case we get it...It was a boring meeting, because we are tired of hearing Swine flu is the same as other kinds of flu. Then, I came home, did housework, had lunch and went to work from 16 to 22. My driving back home today has been longer than usual, I dont know why, but it seemed to me I was never going to reach home!!!! Have you ever had this feeling? Well, my friend, I hope to read your reply soon!! Rosa, 1 October, 2009.

mortaza.abtahi October 2nd 2009 Dear Rosa, Thank you so much for fast replying. As usual, it was interesting. While I was reading your post to me, when I reached to the point where you wrote that you were so tired and you felt if your

feet hurt, I completely underestood your feeling. I have the same feeling when I teach for two or more successive sessions. I think I already told that I have to teach using blackboard a lot while in standing position. During a complete session, which takes at least 80 minutes, I barely find an opportunity to sit down on my chiar in classroom and get rest. What about you? If you can use your chair a lot, then good for you:). On the mornings, in math department, in each classroom two successive sessions can take place: the first session starts from 8:00am, and ends at 9:30am, then students and teachers rest for 30 minutes and the second session holds from 10:00am to 11:30am. On the afternoons, classes hold in three periods: 13:00-14:30, 15:00-16:30 and 17:00-18:30. On monday mornings professors at math department usually have a meeting from 10:00 to 11:30; they talk about educational problems that may exist. I like it, since we meet each other, we drink a cup of tea together, we also talk about topics not necessarily related to our work, sometimes we told jokes, good ones:)), and laugh very much. To be honest, I consider these meetings as entertainment!! On saturday mornings and sunday afternoons, I have to teach in two successive classes, and thus I feel exhausted after I finish my work and come back home. I read your writing to Behnam, and I am glad to say that I agree with you. Sometimes, it may not seem right if we compare woman and man. Men have their own beauty and women have theirs. But if I am asked to say which one is more beautiful, as I said before, I will say that women are more beautiful than men. And about working men and women in the same environment, to me, there is no problem if a man and a woman work under the same roof. Some of my colleagues are female and our office clerks are female. We all are working together very well and, sometimes I think that it may even have a negative effect if all the workers are of the same sex. By the way, my daughter could sleep last night for some hours; to us last night was OK but not great:) Thanks for reading. Hope to hear from you very soon!! Good luck Mortaza October 02, 2009.

mortaza.abtahi October 2nd 2009

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elham Octobe 2nd 2009 m_z er All my I Iranian frie ends, Today i Friday an you may stay at hom to rest. If so please d is nd me f don?t miss w watching a really interest ting program in channe 4 , named Iranian co m el d onnection (E Ertebate ira ani). It is a program abo how Iranian people had contact with othe lands and earas in ancient p out e er d world. In it the give us am ey mazing info ormation ab bout Iranian civilization n n. It?s a p pity, it is a re eally pity th we have lost our gre civilizat hat eat tion. IT IS A PITY AND SO SAD TH NOW THEY CALL US THER HAT L RORIST. this m t s t ram Today t program is going to be shown at 3:20.it is the repeat of the last night progr which I saw. If today u cant see it ,don?t lose it next Fr y Fridays. Previou programs were reall interestin too .they were about Cyrus the g us s ly ng t great (koros ) , sh Daryoo and Mon and how they ruled the very lar areas which they w the king of. osh ny rge was Any way DONT LO IT. IM SURE YOU WILL ENJ y OSE U JOY IT. Have a good Frida ay elham

metze October 2nd 2009 ean Dear Ve Veronica , are saw elicopter aga ,Can send us a report and tell about your last status ain r Where a you , I s that He !!!? morning me and Andrew strolled a w across the St treet of the Catholic Ki ings Calle Reyes R From m Catolicos toward t most walked street i Granada the Carrer del Darr which is described the in a, ra ro, as Anda alusia?s mo romantic street, whi runs nor along th Darro riv This str ends at ost c ich rth he ver. reet the Passage of the Sad Ones P Paseo de los Tristes . s eet ectly beneath the tower of the Alcaz h zaba which is a Middle Ages fortr built h e ress The stre lies dire for defe ensive purpo and be oses ecame integr rated with A Alhambra co omplex. the we starte our tour en, ed through the most m h magnificent Arabian ed difice that w ever buil the etern red castl Calat was lt: nal le

Alhambra. Muslim architecture reached its apogee at this pleasure palace built by the Nasrid dynasty. As usual with typical Arab architecture, the exterior of Alhambra is somber and unprepossessing, the true delights of this remarkable palace lies within. From the Court of the Lions, to the Hall of the Ambassadors, to the Hall of Kings, to the Court of the Window Grille, to the Royal Baths, to the Ladies Tower, to the lovely and resplendent Mirador de Deraxa the caliph?s private balcony onto Granada. However, the story does not end by visiting the palace only. Seven minutes walk from the palace we reached the legendary Generalife or the Caliph?s Paradise (jannet al khalifeh in Arabic), which is a mini palace surrounded by luscious gardens, orchards and pastures. Pools and gentle water flows help alleviate the summer heat while rows of water jets make graceful arches above these pools. Andrew is poking me by his finger, nagging to stop ,He say "your report is too long , I am hungry lets go to a restaurant" What has happen for you Andrew, please wear your heart on your sleeve, why do you wag the dog. Please trust me and speak your mind?..Andrew ,Andrew , ?. Andrew goes to a restaurant and order for the meal : eggplant with tomato sause and parmesean cheese, salmon, beef kabobs with roasted veggies, falafel, lebna, hummus My dear Andrew you shine like a million. What has happen for your ,Are you in seriuos love ? Don't pout your lips...? Mohsen

behnam October 2nd 2009 Dear Marina, What is going on? I hope everything is going well with you, and you enjoy every minute of your time. Thank you for posting some lovely, friendly, and nice posts. I really like reading them. I agree with you about considering ourselves and our faults too. That's true. As a rule, everything has got two sides. About your very tricky and personal question, first I didn't understand it! Secondly, I decided to be silent and to refuse to answer it, because I know if I answer this question clearly, I will lose

some friends of mine, and losing friends is not my policy on this thread. Because, if I lose me friends, I lose my life and this thread. I don't want to tell you who has went because of my writing in a very straightforward way, but it is a fact. Although 'honesty is the best policy', it doesn't mean to tell all people whatever I've got in my mind, or reveal all my thoughts, beliefs, etc. "How do you think about a girl who loves you, or lets you smell her?" This question is asked by you, I have changed some words just to make it sound easy and understandable. Since 'a word is enough for a wise man', let me write a simple one which is so meaningful and related to our topic: Women's love, alas, is so sweet but dangerous! I answered your question just by this simple sentence, but I would like to write something more. When I was a student, I have discussed many topics with too many students. Now, at my work places, we often speak about some topics. As usual, there are always different ideas or opinions about different topics. I am writing this paragraph to say that I have checked my ideas before. I know what is going on among people. I don't say that all people think like me, but there are many people who exactly think like me. It makes some boys' mouths water, when they hear 'I love you' from girls, but there are many boys who hate this sentence, when girls tell them! Fortunately, or unfortunately, I belong to second group. I dislike hearing this sentence from a girl for the first time! I believe men must be starters, otherwise it won't work! When a girl tells me 'I love you' for the first time (She uses this sentences sooner than me, for example.) I often get shocked, as if she tries to fool me, and I am going to be fooled. I feel as if, I am the most stupid person in the world. I don't know why, but it is my feeling. I like to be starter, to try, to look for someone, to see her reactions and actions, to make a guess about her feelings, to see her body languages, to see her shyness, to guess her idea about myself, to look at her eyes and to find out what is going on her heart, because the eyes are the window of the soul. This sounds unfair, or even cruel, but I cannot change my idea. This is in my blood somehow! Some boys tries to smell girls, but as soon as they smell them, they say a big 'bye bye' to them. We, boys, like smelling girls. As a matter of fact, one of our duties is smelling girls. Girls must be careful! Therefore, I believe a girl must be very careful with herself. She is like a flower. She mustn't let boy smell her easily. Friendship is OK. Speaking is OK. Chatting is OK. Calling is OK. Going out is OK. Eating with each other is OK. Walking and talking is OK. However, when it comes to considering some practical actions, it is NO Ok! :):):) Some people believe that it is like a bargain. In other words, they make a bargain. Nobody loses, and nobody wins. They give some things, and they receive other things. They both get satisfaction, pleasure, etc., but I don't think so. I believe in many cases, girls are often losers!

After looking for my soulmate, and after meeting her, it will be all right to hear 'I love you' from her, although I prefer saying this sentence to hearing. :):):) People are different. They have different definition of love. Some people just pay attention to their needs and desires. They love their needs and desires actually, rather than someone else. For example, some women never tell their partners 'I love you' when they are menstruating! Why? (I beg your pardon!) If someone loves easily, s/he hates easily too. If someone's love is strong, her/his hate will be strong too. It is better to be normal and keep balance! In my poor opinion, all our actions are because of our needs. We do some things, because we often enjoy doing them. In almost all cases, we love someone because we have some unfulfilled desires, and then s/he helps us with fulfilling them. I believe men are created to love, and women are created to be loved! Women have hearts, I know, but they love towards their partners must be shown in a delicate way! Well, it is an art to know when it should be said, and when it shouldn't! All women are the same. They have got the same feelings and the same bodies. What make a difference? I believe their instinctive reactions, actions, senses, and knowledge about when to smile, when is time to frown, when is time to cry, when to laugh, when to nag, when to say 'I love you', etc. It was very difficult for me to write about such things. I hope my way of writing, and chosen words don't upset anybody. I hope to hear more from you soon. All the best, Behnam, 2 October 2009 378 behnam October 2nd 2009 Dear friends, How are you? I hope you are fine. As you know, there are many people who write on this thread. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for me to keep track of all posts. I often lose track of posts. For example, I have written something to ROSA, but she didn't answer yet. I don't know whether she is waiting for my post, or I have to wait for my answer!!! I hope nobody gets upset, if there is a delay. I am not deliberately keeping anybody waiting. I just lose track of posts! I hope to hear more from you soon.

All the best, Behnam, 2 October 2009

behnam October 2nd 2009 Dear Mortaza, Many thanks for understanding. Thank you for posting some nice and delightful posts. I really enjoy reading your posts. They are great. About your question concerning wealth and knowledge I must say that it is a famous essay in schools, I am sure you know it. Our friend Ahmad has written some nice sentences about it. I agree with him up to a point, but I believe wealth without knowledge is blind, and knowledge without wealth is lame! Therefore, they are like two wings for everybody who likes flying! Thank you for writing on this thread. I hope to hear more from you soon. All the best, Behnam, 2 October 2009

behnam October 2nd 2009 Dear Elham, How are you keeping? I hope all is well with you. Thank you for your posts. Dear Elham, don't worry about your English. That is excellent. Your English is better than mine. It is not a good excuse to be late in writing, or even to avoid writing. Thank you for mentioning the time, but unfortunately I couldn't watch TV at that time, since my parents were watching football match between 'Esteghlal&Perspulis'. They are still watching TV. I am at my desk, posting something to my friends. I hope to hear more from you soon. All the best, Behnam, 2 October 2009

behnam October 2nd 2009 r etayesh, Dear Se How ar you? I hop you are f re ope fine. My com mputer is old too. It doe d esn't work properly. Sometimes, I am writing and I try to open a p a website it stops wo e, orking. It tu urns off! Ver funny! ry For exa ample, I am on this web bsite now; if I click on m f mail.yahoo.com it resta arts, instead of d opening the site. I o g often lose m unsaved information It happen to me alm regular my n. ns most rly. etayesh, tod I sat my final exam. I think I w pass the exam. It wa easy. All questions day y will as Dear Se were fro units in the book. I didn't know that the qu om w uestions wil be from th book. I w I knew! ll he wish ! I though it will be l T.T.L ex h like xams, but it wasn't. t Please w write on thi thread reg is gularly, and share with me what is going on y d h s your Englis class. I sh think we can help e e each other w our En with nglish, becau it is com use mmon betwe us. In other words, een we have English la e anguage in common! c I hope t hear mor from you soon. to re All the best, b Behnam 2 October 2009 m, r

Mari ina1 Octobe 2nd 2009 er 9 Dear Be ehnam, our nd d yed g Thanks a lot for yo clear an organized writing. I really enjoy reading it a lot. now mpletely sat tisfied by this answer. I know that I insists on it, but beca ause I was a I think n I'm com bit conf fused. Now I not conf I'm fused at all You don't know confu l. used Marina yet, but no she is a ow here in front of you with lots of hidden qu f u o uestions marks in her fa (LOL). face There a lots of pe are eople from different cu ultures on th website, so I think n body will get upset, his no l especia Rosa wh is a very educated la and she studied so of Arab history in Andalusia ally ho ady, e ome b A and she knows the real differe e ence betwee our cultur and their Arabs are related to the orient, en re r. e all orien men ( C ntal Christians, J Jewish and Muslims in d ncluded) thin in your ( nk (Behnam's) way , or let t us say t majority of them ;). For me I'm familiar w your wa of thinkin and to te the truth the y m with ay ng, ell I get alo with yo moreove if you didn think like that I wou change m idea abo you :), ong ou, er dn't ke uld my out but now it stills the same, Beh w e hnam is the r orienta man. real al Maybe some my fem friend who belon to other cultures , w male ds ng would wonde that I agr with er ree you. Bu let me say something , that even the new gen ut y g neration of oriental me I mean who are f en, w very nea to wester ar rners thoug say som ghts mething and hide anothe thing. Fo instance, we may er or

listen to an orienta guy who s o al speaks abou being free in having sex before g ut e getting mar rried for both me and wom but whe it's relate to his sis it's not a en men, en ed ster acceptable a all. So I really at r thank yo that you were very c ou clear in exp plaining , it was very br rave of you to do so in such a place. Y know w You what you wan I congra nt, atulate you! Let me s that all girls have t same id too. So e say the dea even for a g who look " free" an " opengirl ks nd minded " , if she he d eard someth hing like tha about a g she will not accept it, maybe she would at girl, l t s say som mething, but the real op t pinion would be hidden Two thoug for the same situation ! d n. ghts And wh a man accept such a situation f his siste for instan , no body respect hi even his hen for er nce dy im, s sister. A Again two th houghts for the same si ituation , it means bein confused again! ng That wh I meant in writing o hat once to our f friend Mor rtaza , that s some people in our cult e ture are confuse neither to our belief nor to we ed, o fs esterners ones. In my op pinion, have a straight way , clear e t r view an deep und nd derstanding to our spec cifications a the most options to have peace in mind. In are t n our cult ture girls sh houldn't be " smelled" ( as you def fined it), the allowed t love but in a soft ey to i way. I don't w want to look rude, but I think God created the girl with especial ana k d e e atomy, I thin people nk should think about it and ask w t why??? At the e thanks a lot for wr end, riting in deta , I stron believe that the problems alw ails ngly e ways are in details, when they are clear, e everything is clear. :) s you r ds d Thank y for your nice words about my writings, it's very kind of you. By the w I'd like to ask all o friends f way, e our from differe cultures especially Rosa not to take my ent s o writing personally, I do respec all of you but I can' ignore our beliefs in o beloved orient. , ct u, 't r our d I hope t read mor from you soon. to re Marina a.

Mari ina1 Octobe 2nd 2009 er 9 Dear El lham, our to get ope Thanks a lot for yo writing t me, even if I didn't g your thought about me, but I ho it's positive :) e! About I Iranian civil lization, ma aybe I didn't get what y tried to s for Iran t you say nian friends but we s, should k know that p people come and go but the civiliza e ations will b the same People ca change be e. an't civilizat tions becau they(civi use ilizations) are more imp a portant than them. I do really thin so. n o nk Almost p people know what Iran is, so don't worry. We still read! :) w n e Please b kind eno be ough and share me som mething.

I hope t read from you soon. to m Marina a.

Mari ina1 Octobe 2nd 2009 er 9 Dear ni Rosa, ice worry about writing on this thread, we just wa you to be here with your lovely , ant e y Don't w persona ality and gre English. So try you best to be here, but if you couldn be as usu I think I eat ur e f n't ual can und derstand! Bu life! usy How ar you my de nice frie re ear end??? How is it going w g??? How a about the Au utumn in Sp pain , especia in belov Andalusia??? I hop you are e ally ved pe enjoying you days thro ur ough it. :) Dear Ro your w osa, writing was g great, I cou understo it easily , and be su dear tha I'm not uld ood y ure at upset th you aske some per hat ed rsonal quest tions, never Because y are allowed to ask about r. you whateve you want but on the other hand I'm free to answer or not, what a analogy ! er t, e d o an (LOOO OOL). osa, we ultures we can understa the wor " love" in the same and rd n Dear Ro even w are from different cu way. Lo is a glob languag , like mus If all of us saw a man and wom from a foreign ove bal ge sic. f man f country look at eac other, we could mak a guess a y ch e ke about what t they are thin nking about even if t they did speak , because all of us know the langua of love. dn't l w age s lobal language , it's the language of war, som people in some coun e me n ntries have There is another gl forgotte the love a focus on that langu en and uage. Becau of that t world is going back , we will use the k not go f forward if w didn't ma somethi to stop t we ake ing talking and acting in th language hat e. I don't w want to talk about politics, I know it's a red li but I re k w ine, eally feel sor about US when we rry U follow t war and forget love the d e. We can get the red color from an explode , but it's be d m e etter to get it from a re flower! ed I know a little bit a about Spanis history, b I know t sh but that Spanish suffered fr war , but they h from b forced i to go awa and now they are liv it ay ving great da with thi great natu which feeds the ays is ure fe love fro the wide door. om I don't k know why I writing t I'm these words maybe bec s, cause of see eing someth hing, please forgive me if I mad you sad. de feel l ral sonal writin are welc ngs comed with open arms. Please f free in writing. All your gener and pers Writing about our experiences is a good w for kno g s way owing ourse elves at the f first place. We always want tim to talk a mes about ourse elves becaus it relieve us! se

Thanks Rosa for al your writi ll ings. I really enjoy reading them. ly I hope t read mor from you. to re Marina a.

Mari ina1 Octobe 2nd 2009 er 9 Dear Se etayesh, How ar you my Ir re ranian frien nd??? How is it going??? I hope ev verything is going well with you. s l riend, there are lots of hot topics h h here, please j join us and write some d ething. It wo ould be Dear fr very nic to share y ce your though hts! I hope t read from you soon. to m Marina a.

behnam October 2nd 2009 r Mortaza, Dear M I forgot to say that if you like w t t working with women, t there are too many men who love w n working with wo omen! :):):)= =))=))=)) H However, I t think Rosa's question i something else. She h wanted s is g has to know your idea about work w king your wif with som men. ife me Some pe eople believ that when men and w ve n women wor together m rk miracle occurs! I do be elieve so, but I sti dislike letting my wif (in the fu ill fe uture) work with other m :):):) men. Once, I was speaki with a p ing philosopher. He said, "B . Behnam, we must know that peopl marry e w le our sist for the s ters same reason that we marry other p n m people's sis sters". Oh m God! Thi sentence my is deserve to be writ by gold It is very m es tten d. meaningful. Some pe eople think that only th have got stomachs, and they li eating. T hey ike They think o other people e haven't got stomac Howeve stomach is common among hum beings. chs! er, n man . uld eople in the way we like to be treat e ted! This is the first step in the lon way of ep ng We shou treat pe humani I am sur you know these thing much bet than me ity. re w gs tter e. I believ in God an Islam. I a trying m best to be careful with God's rig and Isla ve nd am my e ghts am's rules. Due to this fact, I t my best t control m try to myself, but m many people don't care about Islam and e e m God!

I know why men like working with women. I know why I like taking part in a mixed English class. For the same reason, other men like working with my wife (in the future), therefore I dislike letting my wife work with other men! Thank you for reading. Forgive me. I hope to hear more from you soon. All the best, Behnam, 2 October 2009

egyption gir October 2nd 2009 hi to all friends here hi mohsen sorry for late replay i was so busy with a lot of things i just log in to say hi yes i live in cairo i don't know how many people live here in cairo exactly but a lot of people may be over than 10 or 11 million we here in cairo like any place in Egypt working and go out with friends but may be here and in Alexandria we just little free from any place in egypt cause alot if places to go youth here try to learn more than one language now cause you know it's so hard to get good job with good salary but you know how you deal with computer and know more than one language than you may be have this job i cant tell you more now cause i have to go finish something sorry if any one else writing some thing to me and i didn't replay yet i will try to replay all of you when i can read all page i pass sorry agine don't be angry with me manal Egypt 379 sami October 2nd 2009 Hello my friend Behnam!!! how are you? I hope you are fine, enjoying every minute of your life. Thanks a lot for your posts, thanks a lot for your delightful writings. I enjoyed a lot reading them. Forgive me, please, because being so late in answering. You know, I dont stop, all day up and down, and even though I had time to read your post I didnt have enough time for writing. You may say "well, Rosa, you have written to other friends" and you are completely right, but your writings make me think a lot (not because of your English which is excellent, but because your ideas) and I wanted time to think about them deeply. I may have answered to you the same day you wrote it, but I wanted to think twice. And dear friend, now you have a completely different reply from what I would have written that day. I completely agree with you when you say a smelled flower cannot be fresh again. You are right. I completely agree with your thoughts about second-hand cars!! To say it in a different way: I

cannot agree with you more!! Thanks a lot for offering us this metaphor which cannot be more right. Friend, people in the East think that we in the West are all the same. Sometimes it is good to write in general, but some others not. Some topics dont admit generalization. In my country, in my city, there would be thousands and thousands of people who think like you. Dear Behnam, let me make you dig this topic a little bit more. I continue with the metaphor ; ))) Imagine you are in a field full of nice flowers, then you decided you want one of these flowers for you. You really want a precise flower, you put it in a beautiful jar, you feed it with the best water everyday... After a time you find out or you understand that it has been smelled before...What would you do? Would you throw it away? would you ignore this fact? by the way, is it so easy to understand when a flower has been ....??? Just asnwer to this if you like it, as always you are free to answer my questions. I love your writings. Do you want to know what I like the most? Many times I love more your way of writing when expressing your ideas than your ideas themselves!!! You know there is no problem if there are differences between our way of thinking, differences are great, they enrich us and also...can you think of this thread as a place where all people agree? all post would be: "Yes, dear friend, I agree with you" and that's all. I like our differences, they help us learn about the world and about human beings. Dear Behnam, I love writing to you and, again, I love your writings! thanks a lot for asking about teaching. It goes well although it is more tiring than I had imagined!!! :))) I am impatiently waiting for your reply, Rosa, 3 October, 2009.

sami October 2nd 2009 Dear Behnam! After re-reading my post to you I find out a lot of mistakes!!! Please forgive me!

sami October 3rd 2009 Dear Marina! You are just GREAT!!! I have just read your post to Behnam, and then your post to me. How can a young girl think like you? What have you done in life to think how you think? I must congratulate your parents, for sure you owe much to them! Please, congratulate them on behalf of me.

Marina, I love your writings too. I would never be upset with you because of what you write, just because you write what you think and feel and because we are free to think and express whatever we like. I am going to confess something you already know very well. It is usual to me to get shocked first by your writings. I first think to myself: "How can a girl think like this? She is a girl, she is supposed to say/think the contrary" For example, when you wrote men are more beautiful than women, or many other topics in the past showing differences between men and women. But then, after reading them a few times I realise that this is your way of writing because you are also a real oriental girl, as well as Behnam is a real oriental man as you have said. It may be a nonsense to you, but these words "real oriental" stroke a light in my mind! Thank you very much for being oriental, thank you very much for thinking in a different way than me and thank you for sharing these differences with me. These differences are what make me be so interested in your culture. Thank you for being my friend Marina, I am really proud of it! :)) Now, after expressing my feelings ( ;) ) I would like to tell you that the weather is making me crazy!!! Now, days are sunny and hot, one day hot, one cold,one sunny, one rainy......??? I dont know what to wear!!!!!! I am still using summer shoes because the weather is hot or warm, but then it rains and my feet become wet and I hate it!!! Have you ever had this feeling???? It usually happens to me in the change of seasons, from summer to autumn and from winter to summer! By the way, it is called crazy's weather!!! Oh Marina! I have just received my first serious salary!!!! I write "serious" because as you know I have worked before but they were not serious jobs. Now, I will have this job for the rest of my life (unless I want to change it, which I dont think it happens...) for me this is a serious job, so I receive a serious salary! Do you know what is the first thing I have done with my salary?? I have gone to the hair dresser! :)) It has been a long time since I went there for the last time, so my hair urgently needed it! There I have had my hair cut and dyed. I like the result! (I have to say that the hair dresser is a good friend of mine and she knows very well what to do to my hair! ) Do you usually go to the hairdresser Marina? Please, my friend, forgive my mistakes, it is quite late now and even though I cannot sleep, my mind doesnt work as well as at an earlier hour. I would like to read your post soon. kisses, Rosa, 3 September, 2009.

mortaza.abtahi October 3rd 2009 Dear Veronica, Where are you? I really miss you! Where is your ship? I follow your trip story and, as far as I know, the last time I read it, you were in Spain, am I right?

Anyway, thank you so much for caring about my stomachache, which is now gone:). Thanks god, it is not a chronic illness. I think, I must have eaten something poisonous! As I wrote to our friend Rosa, my daughter is going to have her first pair of teeth, and I can feel that she does not have a good feeling in her gum. She is now more vulnerable, she could not sleep very good and thus she does not let us to sleep!! Now, I underestand that children bring great responsibilities for their parents; I didn't know this fact when I was a bachelor living with my parents. Now, I try to appreciate my parents more than any time. Dear Veronica, please don't leave this place for a long period of time. Being absent for four of five days is OK, but it is not good to be absent for more than a week. I know that we are all busy these days, but I think that, from the beginning of a week to its end, we can find sometime free to come here to read and write. I am waiting to read from you. I am eager to know what is your next destination in your virtual trip. Yours sincerely, Mortaza October 03, 2009

sami October 3rd 2009 Dear Mohsen and Andrew! How is it going? Are you enjoying your time in my city??? I hope so, just I have to apologize for being such a bad host!! I dont accompany you as much as I wish, you know, my job prevents me! I am happy to see you do a lot of things, you visit many places and even different cities. Your visit to Carabela's Museum and your report to it was great, Mohsen! When reading it I could feel I was with you in that place. You described in detail what you saw and it is the same to reality! Even the naked natives!!! La Alhambra is in Granada, a famous city from Andalusia, this building was build by the arabs around the 13th century. It is a beautiful building and I am sure you know it is worth visiting it! I hope you enjoyed. What are your plans now? What do you want to visit? Would you like to visit the beach? or you prefer going to the mountains? Andrew, la siesta is something typical in my country, although I think all people in the world have a siesta. La siesta is some time for sleeping, usually in the afternoon after having lunch.

The exa time for it? Well, it depends to people, to t time you have lunch How long Some act p the u h. g...? people s sleep for an hour, half an hour, fif n f fteen minute es...again d depending of the person I f n. persona dont lik having a s ally ke siesta, well first, I have no time fo it, becaus I always leave home e or se l for wor just after having lunc and seco someti rk ch; ond, imes I dont f well aft sleepng during the feel fter day, so I prefer to a avoid it! gain, I hope you enjoy your stay h e here, if you n need someth hing, ask it to me! Well, ag Rosa, 3 October, 2 2009.

Mari ina1 Octobe 3rd 2009 er Dear Ro osa, I really don't know what I should say. You writing w full of k w ur was kindness and affection , Thank you d u very mu indeed. To tell the t uch truth I was quit sure th you'll un hat nderstand m because you are not me, y t only an educated la but also a cultured one. What do I need e ady o d t else??? Beli ieve me, it's a great s honor fo me to be your friend because of your grea personali in the firs place, the your for d, o at ity st en great E English and a the end b at because of b being from b beloved And dalusia. It s seems its air make r people s kind just like you. :) so t ) Dear Ro congra osa, atulation for your first s r salary! :) , imagine tha I took the second one and it at e e, disappe eared in the same time that I took i :) :) it! There a lots of po are oints which our friend Behnam wr it in his reply to me, the strang h rote s ge behavio for wom is one of them. I thi women c ors men f ink created so, b I think t but they don't lo easily, ove on the c contrary , th love ver rarely , and from the bottom of their hearts About hat hey ry e s. ting easily , I don't t think so. Th may say it, but they never feel i women ju have " sp hey y it. ust peaking" as a way to s describe something but they a g, always spea a lot, and they don't tell the trut in lots of situations. ak d th f Maybe they get ang easily, l gry lose their mind easily, b they nev hates th lovers, even they m ver heir e but said it, and directly y. Eva ma Adam be in the eart she mad him leave the heaven why did sh do so??? Of course ade e th, de e n, he ? not in p purpose , bu because she wasn't st ut table like hi What an equality! A woman in im! n nstead of the who heaven! He won a w ole woman and lost the hea aven! A mys sterious fact Would yo please t! ou say you idea abou it? ur ut Hating is not an ea word, ne asy either for m nor to any me ybody else. I think this word make people e sad! Wo omen should be more careful with this word, because it's hard not o for men but also d c h s only n for them m! Dear Ro your w osa, words made me happy. Thank you v very much i indeed. write to me about every rything, talk king with you is making my mind ri u g ich! Please forgive me, , Please w but my heart is very heavy! Pl ry lease pray f me. for

I hope to read more from you soon. Marina.

sami October 3rd 2009 Dear Mortaza! How are you? Have you rested well these nights? I hope so! I feel angry with all people when I cannot rest well at nights!!!! I enjoyed reading your post, as usual. But this last one is a little bit incomplete. If you read Behnam's post to you, you can find out what I meant by telling "men and women working together". I knew you were going to say that you have no problem when working with women, but what owuld happen if your wife had to work with other men??? Talking about myself, I am single now as you know, but one day I will marry "my blue prince". I will never leave my job because it has been hard for me to get it, moreover, even if it was easy, I would never leave my job just because my husband doesnt want me to be working with other men. To tell the truth, it would be like a joke for me! I respect all people's ways of thinking and I hope people respect mine too.When talking about everything related to me, my life, my career, I am the one who decides, maybe I would ask my husband for advice, but I will decide it myself. For sure, If a man forces me to leave my job, the one I will leave is him!! This is my own idea; please tell me yours if you dont mind. I completely agree with what you say about having children. They are a present from God, but once you have them, your life changes completely. I dont have any children but I see my sister everyday. She is like a "slave", all day working outside home, then working at home, taking care of her daughter...She would like to go out more with her husband or to do other things, but she cannot. When I was younger, I thought I wanted to have children soon, to be a young mother, because I thought in that way I would enjoy more time with my children. However, life is never as you dream when you are a teenager. So during these years I have found enough time to get what I proposed in life. Now I am ready, although it doesnt mean I will stop here (professionally). So dear Mortaza, dont feel sad because you hardly find time for yourself. Enjoy your life with your children and wife, and for sure, if you still want to do other things you will find time to do so. I wish you good luck in everything you want to do! Talking about our teaching...I am usually in standing position in front of my students, walking from one desk to another, always trying to be close to all of them. I rarely find time to sit, even though I have a good "teacher table and a comfortable seat". I really prefer be close to them than being at my desk. I use to write a lot on the blackboard too. For this reason I am always

exhausted when I finish each sesion. It is even worse on Fridays, when I have younger students, and I have to put more energies to control them. It is quite tiring, however, whenever I am in my bed ready to sleep I think about the day and my thoughts are always happy. :)))) I am very happy to be teaching, no matter how tiring it is! :) My dear friend, I would be happy to read a post from you about "being in love". As Marina says wisely "love is a universal feeling" and all people, no matter culture or beilef, know the meaning of love. I am asking aobut your meaning of being in love. It is always interesting to know it from a male point of view. Waiting for your reply, Rosa, 3 October, 2009.

sami October 3rd 2009 My dear Marina What happens to you? I have just read your post to me which has make me very happy. However in one of your last sentences you say your "heart is heavy". Do you have any problem? I am here to help you if you accept my help, in case you need it. Thank you very much for your nice words to me, Marina this is a mutual feeling, and this is the sign of frienship!! I just hope it is an everlasting friendship! Marina, you say you have received your second salary, but it has disappeared soon! What do you mean? Have you bought something with it? I have the half of my salary now! :((( It is not that I have already spent my money, but I have to give my mum some money I have been asking her during last summer. I hate asking for loans or to borrow people's money because I have to give it back later!! (LOL) About Adam and Eve I should say that maybe it was Eve's fault that they came to the earth. Maybe the reason was her instability as you say. But she didnt do it in purpose. She wanted to be wiser and she wanted Adam be wiser too by eating from the "wisdom apple". She had a good intention. As a punishment for this Original Sin they were expulsed from heavens. Who was the responsible? They both were the responsible, not only Eve, she wanted to eat, and she told Adam to eat, however, she did not force him to eat, and he accepted. For me both are resposible. He won a woman but lose heaven, but it was not Eve's fault, it was also his fault. Moreover, they were expulsed from heaven because heaven it is just a place for God and angels, we humans have to be in earth. My dear Marina, I have no more ideas about it. You know I am a Christian, I believe in God, I believe in the bible, in Adam and Eve, BUT not completely. Some facts make me doubt about all this.

I agree with you that hating is not a work word, or feeling. I have never hated someone. I am not as important as for hating people, it is a very strong feeling, and I am so tiny to pronounce it. I sometimes use the word "hate" to refer to something I dont like, but just this; not liking is not as negative as hating. I will pray for you, be sure. I just hope you are fine. Good luck, Rosa, 3 October, 2009.

sami October 3rd 2009 Marina, sorry, after reading my post I find some mistakes, some of them..."hating is not a good word" Bye for now, Rosa.

elham_z October 3rd 2009 Hi dear Andrew How are things with you my kind brother? It was so nice to see your reply to me. thanks a million for that beautiful tulip . it was really kind of you to send me such a flower. But I wander why you has not answered my question about your greatest desire . Have I asked a bad question? Anyway I would like to know more about you . may I know how old my brother is and what is he doing right now? And something else, I have a really serious problem these days. I need some help and consultation on it. I am sure that you as a boy can help me a lot. I will mention it very soon and Ill wait for your answer. Thanks again for your flower. You know we girls like flowers a lot , ( although we know that this fact can be used by you men sometimes as a tool to somehow deceive us easily.).).) It was just a joke All the best elham 380 mortaza.abtahi October 3rd 2009 Dear Behnam and Rosa,

How are you? I hope you are fine and happy! Behnam! after you gave an explanation about your question which is also Rosa's question to me, about working women and men in the same place, I have been thinking a lot about it. I am going to express what is in my mind, and I hope it is useful and it can satisfy you both:)). And when I say "satisfy you" I do not mean "convince you". I just mean "you feel happy after reading my writing" :)):)). As you know, those jobs that require a female worker, as well as all other jobs, can be classified into many levels. Some of these jobs, to be honest, need the worker to use of her feminine capabilities to do her duties in a best way. For example, in my opinion, some positions as secretary fall into this cathegory. In SOME airlines, the female crew members of the planes also need to behave in some special manner, or at least to appear in a special look, to attract more customers. There are many other examples of this kind of jobs that you know better than me. If a woman is going to take a job from this cathegory, then she, and her husband, must have enough information about the job and tasks that she will be asking to do. And then they can decide if it is suitable for both of them or not. To me, I don't like my wife to work in these positions; my wife agrees with me too and she does not like having this kind of jobs either. I know that, at this point, you may think that I am, somehow, avoiding [?] the main subject. But, please be patient and I hope at the end you get your answer:)) There are also many jobs that require female worker just because of their capabilities as a (female) human beings. For example, I think a female teacher in a primary school can do her job much better than a male teacher. Or, in many cases, as an office clerk, a female worker works better than a male worker. Let us name those jobs that fall into this latter cathegory "safe jobs" !! Now, I hope you agree that the cathegory of "safe jobs" is not empty and there are many jobs and positions at which, just as a worker, there is no problem if a woman is going to work. But, Behnam said that the male co-workers may cause some problems! Now, I need to ask you, Behnam, a couple of questions here: What kind of problems can these male workers cause? What would really bother you if your (future) wife works in a "safe job"? Perhaps, the male co-workers (or male students in a classroom at a university) may look at their female co-worker (female classmate) in a sexsual way. This definitely is the case if the woman itself opens the door, if she sends a signal; for example, if she wears an unusual make up or a inappropriate dress while at work or at university. Otherwise, there would be no problem. I think men are very strong in realizing the type of the woman who they are working with (or, in general, who they are dealing with). After they meet her for a couple of times, she can completely make them underestand what kind of woman she is. [I should confess that the subject seems very hard to explain, especially using my poor english!]

And fina if my w can get a "safe job then, with no daubt, I agree with her to star working ally, wife t b" h h rt (unless some other reasons ma her dec not to w r ake cide work, for exa ample famil issues). ly you ding this lon and perh ng, haps boring text. g, Thank y for read Yours sincerely, Mortaza a October 03, 2009. r rgive me for any mistak r ke. PS. For

morta aza.abtahi O October 3rd 2009 d Dear Ro osa! I posted my last wr d riting addre essing to you and Behna a couple of hours a and, to be honest, u am e ago it was b before I saw your last w w writing to m me:)) [!!!] Now, I r read your la post and I see that y have gi ast d you iven an expl lanation about "workin men and ng women ...". Fortun nately, I hav been tryin to answe your ques ve ng er stion in my l writing Please, last g. know your c comments ab bout it. I am going to r m read your la post from beginning ast m g:) let me k Regards ds Mortaza a

metze October 3rd 2009 ean Dear Ro osa, We hav finished v ve visiting of Alhambra an now we a going ba to polas , to visit th beaches , nd are ack s he if possib surfing a diving . I know tha many bird immigrat in season to these b ble and at ds te ns beaches ,we are goin to take some picture from beautiful scene ng es eries and bir rds Andrew was lost ye w esterdays in bazaar , and I have heard nothin from And n ng drew as well as l Veronic Dear Ro ,I don't k ca. osa know why A Andrew thin that I hav fallen in l nk ve love , He ke asking ept me to w whom I have fallen in lo And som question like this : What s her f e ove, me n first letter of that girl, o is it R? is it M ,C, E E,S... and so on?, I kno I should think twice before I an o ow nswer his qu uestion , ow m g ent an you kno that I am not single , and being not single is a deterre for a ma to fall in new love ,, but may Andrew think that when a pers is in ano ybe w w son other count and far a try away from h family , her nothing would be a a deterre , He s all g as ent lowed to sm a new fo mell follower.. W Woooe!!!!!? Sorry S during l days I h last have read a lot about s smelling flow and I f wers found my m mind paralyz by this zed smell , m maybe Andr is right !!!!!? what is your ide Rosa ? if I am not de rew t t ea f eceived by the smell I t dare to say I disag gree ?!!

Alas ,Andrew s coming.staggering with a worn ewer is in his hand , I have a strong feeling of pity and sympathy ..? B.Wishes, Mohsen

elham_z October 4th 2009 Dear marina I hope everything is ok with you in this nice autumn day. It is 8:30 in Iran .iv just arrived to university and im glad to start my day with writing to you. I wish I had more information about you. Although I know you may have explained for other friends before I want you to let me know more about yourself .if it is ok. As a matter of fact I like your writings so much. Every day I follow reading your discussions with dear Rosa and Behnam. it is very important for me to have enough information about everything or at least about the topic im talking about and also it is important to me to express my ideas in a clear ,good way with best-chosen words. (For example in the way to university I was thinking how to tell you my true feelings towards the civilization of Iran and what I meant by my last writing, but I felt lack of enough information and proper words in English.) But I think you and other friends do this in a really good way. While reading the writings of you and Rosa, I enjoy them a lot .and since iv always wanted to be with friends older than me, it would be very kind of you and Rosa to let me use your experiences as my older sisters whenever I need consultation. My physics chemistry class will start in 20 minutes and I have to leave here now to reach to chemistry department on time. I will write the rest of my writing later. and something else im still waiting to hear about your greatest desires . why has nobody answered this question of mine yet??? Maybe it is too great and big to be placed here.( lack of space here for it!).).).) Bye for now elham

behnam October 4th 2009 Dear Rosa, Thank you very much for nice posts and friendly discussion.

I will answer your questions soon. I hope to read your posts soon. All the best, Behnam, 4 October 2009

behnam October 4th 2009 Dear Elham, Would you mind asking your question again. I think I haven't seen it. Please ask your question in a simple way. Oh my God! This term you are going to study something about Physics. Dear Elham, do you know that Chemistry can be understood and explained easily by using Quantum Mechanics? Nobody can deny the effect of Quantum Mechanics on Chemistry. In short, Quantum Mechanics has paved the way for understanding the world of atom and molecule, which is the main part of Chemistry. I am waiting to see your question. All the best, Behnam, 4 October 2009

behnam October 4th 2009 Dear Marina, Thank you for understanding and giving some useful explanation about men and their ways of thinking in the middle east. At the moment, I have nothing to write. Actually, there is no topic. My computer doesn't work properly, and I haven't got as much free time as I had in the summer, so I am not able to visit the thread regularly. I think I have lost track of posts and topics. I have decided to write something about misunderstanding. I believe misunderstanding is one of the most important problems in the world of human beings. I will write about it as soon as I can. I hope to read your nice posts soon. All the best, Behnam, 4 October 2009

sami October 4th 2009 Hello Mortaza, Thanks for your reply, it is now complete from your part and I have to tell you that I agree with you up to some points. Please, can you tell me those jobs which arent classified as unsafe jobs????? What is the reason why a woman shouldn't take them? In my opinion, it doesnt matter if the woman is surrounded by men, what should be important for you is her attitude with her male colleagues. I think a woman needs to know how to behave with male colleagues, if she opens the door it is just her decision. And if your wife is in love with you and loves you deeply she is not going to open the door to other men. For this reason, I find no problem. And again, I repeat that in terms of choosing a job I am the one who decides. Men feel that if their wife is surrounded by men, she may be unfaithful or she will stop loving him because being in contact with other men. Is this the reason why you wouldnt like you wife working in "unsafe jobs"? I sincerely hope it is not. Dear Mortaza, I am not criticising, I'm just expressing my ideas and wanting to know other people's ideas. I am impatiently waiting to see your next post to me :)) Have a nice day, Rosa, 4 October, 2009

sami October 4th 2009 Hello Mohsen How are the photos to birds and sceneries going? I hope you are enjoying it. Actually it is a good moment (time of the year) to take wonderful pictures to them. Dont worry about Andrew and Veronica, maybe they are sleeping a siesta, Andrew was interested in doing it. Maybe their siesta is much looooooooooonger than usual, but travelling is quite tiring, so he needs a good rest. About the questions Andrew is asking to you, I dont know what should I say. You yourself know very well what you feel and what you should do. Maybe the smell of flowers is confusing you, but your mind should be stronger than this. I dont know whether I am answering you or not, but to tell the truth I dont know the exact question. Anyway, I hope this helps!

I am wa aiting to rea more adv ad ventures fro you, om Rosa, 4 October, 2 2009.

sami October 4t 2009 th Hello E Elham Nice to meet you. I have just r read your po to Marin where you mention my name, a I have ost na, and to admi that I have felt a lot o sympathy it e of y. Of cour you can consider m as one of your older sisters, I am here to he you with anything rse me f m elp h you nee But just o thing: d ed. one dont you know we wom dont like to be calle old????? :)))) I'm men e ed ? joking! I am 28 and I dont feel old at all, just the contrary, I feel young and with lo of things to live (I 8 ots s hope so o). I am wa aiting for yo writings our s. By the w how ol are you? way, ld Rosa, 4 October, 2 2009. 381

sami October 4t 2009 th Hello B Behnam you uch, aiting for yo posts so It should be very n of you t offer our oon. nice to Thank y very mu I am wa more to opics to disc cuss or to ta about. alk I hope t hear from you very s to m soon. Rosa, 4 October, 2 2009.

Mari ina1 Octobe 4th 2009 er Hi Behn nam, Rosa a Elham, and y r e elcome" to E Elham, plea write as much as ase s So many thanks for your writings. I'd like to say " we you can and don't worry, non of us have a good En n, ne e nglish, all of us are star f rters.

Rosa and Behnam, forgive me I can't focus on a topic right now, but I promise to write as soon as I can . Pray for me. Marina.

Veronicaho October 4th 2009 Hi Captain Mohsen and Andrew! I'm really sorry but I took a trip by the helicopter again because of some business. I went to German to the agent who bought our elk plates.... He need more plates and I promissed we should fix it! More money.... When I came back from Germany I meet a very nice women outside the ship and she wondered if I was interesting of Flamenco....Of course I was! We had a very nice evening together with 50 other peoples and the tried to learn me dance Flamenco! It was really fanny. But very difficult! I hope you all are fine. Sally, where are you? Are you coming with us when we leaving? Captain, have you made some plan for the trip...? Where next? And when? Is it time for a small shopping before we leaving? Andrew, have we food enough for the trip? Dont forget parmeasan to Micia and chocolate to me :) Veronica 4 oct 2009

Veronicaho October 4th 2009 Hi Mortaza, I'm ashamed!!! I dont know what to say...just that I have not enough time! Sorry! I hope you are fine and it was nice to read that your stomach problems went away. I promise I dont leave this thread and I will try to stay here more often. Please Mortaza, lets start a new nice topic to speak about...my head is empty:( Veronica

4 oct 2009

sami October 4th 2009 Hello Marina How are you? What is happening to you? I am completely sure you are not fine or having some problems (i hope not). Dear friend, this is just to let you know that, whatever it may be happening, I am with you. I write my email address, you can contact me whenever you want: rosammd@hotmail.es I hope you soon are fine enough to continue writing. I pray for you. Rosa, 4 October, 2009.

Veronicaho October 4th 2009 Hi Rosa, Thanks for your post! I was happy to see it and I'm sorry for being late in answering! Here the autumn has came and we have very bad weather with cold wind. I hate it and always freeze. It is just the snow missing....I want to have springtime :) How is it going at the school? Much to do I think but I hope you enjoy it! Last week my daughter had rent a table at a second-hand market and was selling clouths she didn't use more. She asked me if I had something to sail and then I took away clouths we dont use anymore and was at the market with her. We just leave our clouths there with a price and then the salesman sold it and we paid her 6 euro/day. I should never think of this idea myself. But here this is a new business and popular. You can't believe it, we sold for 300 ? in one week! Do you have those markets in Spain? I had never heard about it when my daughter talked about it. You should sell everything very cheap. At 15 october I going to Helsinki for a weekend break. My daughter have glasses because of

nearsightedness (?) and she's going to make an laser operation on her eyes at a privat clinic in Helsinki so we are going there first and then just relax two days. I want to shopping a little bit. I need a new jacket for the winter and few things more. Now I need to go to bed, work early tomorrow again... Soon, very late I will send you an e-majl with answer :) I like it and it is just what I need. Veronica 4 october 2009

elham_z October 5th 2009 Hi dear Rosa I hope my young and energetic sister is well. Thanks a lot for your sympathy for me . it is so kind of you to be so kind to me. While writing last sentence ,it made me laugh. For the interesting use of kind in that. Actually long ago I had something written to you .im sure you have missed reading it. In that I think I had told you about myself. I am 20 . in my birthday most of people here sent me letters of congratulation and gave me a lot of useful suggestions. If im not wrong , im the youngest member of this thread , and enjoying a lot being with such experienced friends. It is what I meant by older than me. In the summer our English teacher , spoke some Spanish for us ,( he was learning Spanish) . I liked it so much .i have heard that in English speaking countries specially America Spanish is the second language . I wish I had more chances to listen to some one speaking Spanish. But how? I never imagined making friend with a nice Spanish girl like you that easily. Thanks English language for giving us this great opportunity. So happy for being in touch with you : elham

elham_z October 5th 2009 Dear Behnam I ll copy my question here: Now, right now what is your most important desire in life? What is your greatest wish at the moment? I want you to close your eyes and think about it??????

This question arose for me wh I was writing to one of my frie e hile ends : I wish u the best. at that h hought with myself : wh could be her bigges wish ? an I general h hat st nd lized it: What do time I th differen people wi for? How does it ch nt ish w hange in the process of aging? e f I have m own reas for this question : my son 1) Actua with kn ally nowing this we may get to know ea other be t ach etter. Since the desires of a person n can lead us to his/h persona d her ality. 2) for su knowing others des ure g sires can gi you a ch ive hance to thin about new ideas and purposes nk d w in life. T Things you may have n never though of. so it c make yo get to kno yourself better and ht can ou ow f evaluat your values in life ag te gain. e ake f while knowin you alre ng eady have so omething that some 3) some times it ma you to feel happy w one else wishes for So you ge satisfied w what yo have and it cause yo to know the value of e r. et with ou d ou t f what yo have and try to choo it in the best way. ou d ose 4)last and the most important reason is th with this question I make you a myself to think a t hat s and about our values in life , our p o n purpose of l living and so it motivat us to try our best to achieve o tes them an not to for them , s nd rget since they a the only reason for us to tolera the diffic are ate culties and obstacle of life for just that re es r eally sweet moment of achieving. f Oh , I m made myself so willing to think abo my drea in life m f out ams more serious . sly And jus one thing more, your suggested topic on mi st r isunderstand ding is grea it has alw at. ways been one of m concerns in life. We can have a good discu my s e ussion on it t. h ng. Thanks for your tolerance with my writin elham

metze October 5th 2009 ean Dear M Manal, I hope y enjoy ev you very minute of your life I very hap to see y e fe, ppy your writing , these day there are g ys discussi about w ion what kind of job is suita for wom and if w f able men women can w work with men m together in a job pl lace, I want to now you idea , do you work in a place w men ? I have also t ur n with many qu uestions, that I will be happy to re eceive your answer. Do you live in Alex xandria or C Cairo ? Where is Nile r river in you city , Is th Nile pass through ur he s your cit center. Ar there any gardens , amusement centers ,pa ,around the Nile? ty re y t ark B.W, n mohsen

metze October 5th 2009 ean Hi Rosa a, We are about leavi the Hue ,only we stay here if there are something to do on the beach ing elva e e and also if Veronic and Andr are inte on buyin somethin from mar o ca rew ent ng ng rket. I was in river bank this afterno It was searing wa of curlew that made me deaf , I took some n k oon. ail ws e e nice pho when th were pec oto hey cking the lo ocusts and C Chameleons in marshy area, Herons also s were di iving into th river , plu he unge into th water and came back to the surf he d k face with a swollen neck , it was a fish in their thr t roat. Storks were stand ding on one leg, bend th neck un heir nder the wings. osa e n ace Dear Ro ,I invite you to join s in our trip ,we have enough pla for you in our ship ,also we need yo as a teach for Eng ou her glish and his story , I am looking for rward to rec ceiving your positive r rply. Dear Ve Veronica and Andrew , i we have complete dis of moon , we can set our trip to d if c sk t oward the Syria- lattakia port tomorrow night . plea be ready for more a l t ase y adventures o the way.I hope on Rosa ac ccept to join us, you ca also peru n an used her for it. All the best, b Captain Mohsen n 382

setay yesh Octobe 5th 2009 er Dear Be ehnam, How ar you my fr re riend? Are y ok? How is your au you w unt? Is she o I hope e ok? everything is well with i you. ehnam , last night my computer rep t c epaired fina ally.it had be damage hard.so,I couldn?t een ed I Dear be repair i myself. My PC is old I have had it for seven years. it n About E English clas if had ask me abo the exam I would ha told you it is really simple. ss, ked out m ave u Last nig I read about ten pag here ab ght ges bout 23 pm-1am. All the comments were inter e s resting as usual. T recent t The topics are st triking, sinc they show others our ways of th ce w r hinking. At first I was not go oing to writ anything. But, I coul te . ldn't sleep w at night my mind w well t. was

automatically occupied by all the writings, especially yours. On the other hand, Marina had asked me to write something about current topics, you know , she is one of my best friends so should accept her suggestion. Dear Behnam, I admire the way of your writing. Words that you utilize, the way that you choose to express your thoughts shows that there is an intellectual man behind them. But I think in some cases you just pay look at the issue from your eager. I really got shocked when I found out you are in the range of men who don't like their wives have male colleagues. It was in contrast with the personality of open-minded Behnam. I don't want to criticize you at all. I don't mean that you are wrong and nothing happens if women work with men as well. But I think your reason is not acceptable, at least for me. I understood from your post, since you are a man and you are familiar with men's attentions so you are not going to let your future wife to work with men at a same place. Come on! This reason is not acceptable at all for an educated lady. Could you possibly tell us what you know as a man about other men which we don?t know as a woman? Behnam, I am a girl and I am more familiar than a man with women's world. I know some of women?s evil intention in relationship with men .and I know how they threat to achieve their wicked goals. Therefore, can I say to my husband 'as I know this fact better than you you're not allowed working with women'? Doesn?t it show that I am a pessimistic person especially to my husband relationship? What would he think and feel about me? I think he would think I can't trust him, wouldn't he? Men?s and women?s awareness about their own gender world help them to know what is going on around their partners but there is another kind of awareness which is more important . That is the awareness of your partner characteristic and personality which cause concern or don