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General Discussion - Pisos in the Talmud Subscribe From: Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 9/21/00 2:19 am To: ALL (1 of 76) 267.1 Hello All, O.k., here is a new discussion thread for the forum. This is another area of the Piso Theory that has been little studied up to this time. We know of several references in the Talmud to 'Jesus' or Arrius Piso and even to Pliny the Younger, but we expect to find and learn about many more. I will try to make a compilation of those that we know of currently and we can add to that in this thread at a later date when more information comes our way. For now, what is posted here by me will be somewhat limited to what I can find the time to post. Bear in mind that the Jews were the witnesses to what the Romans were doing and they tried to tell us via their works just what really went on when the Christian religion was being created. They knew who the persons were who were doing the deed as they were royals also and cousins of those who were authoring both the Roman histories and the New Testament. They were engaged in war with those cousins over the issue of slavery. Roman The Educational Articles Site http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/eduarticles PS: I may try to put together an article on the subject of the Pisos in the Talmud and will post that here and/or on the Educational Articles Site. Please do not expect this information anytime soon as I am already very far behind in what I trying to get done currently. This is not a particulary 'easy' area for me as in many instances I cannot cite the exact passages as I can do with those items from the New Testament. I must, if I am to do a good job in this area, double check with Abelard Reuchlin to make sure that the information and references are indeed accurate. Edited 9/22/2000 12:38:37 AM ET by ROMANPISO Options Reply Roman Piso Forum Messages http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=RomanPiso&msg=267.1 (1 of 22) [11/28/2001 12:02:48 AM]

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General Discussion - Pisos in the Talmud Subscribe

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 92100 219 am

To ALL (1 of 76)

2671

Hello All

Ok here is a new discussion thread for the forum This is anotherarea of the Piso Theory that has been little studied up to this time

We know of several references in the Talmud to Jesus or Arrius Pisoand even to Pliny the Younger but we expect to find and learn aboutmany more I will try to make a compilation of those that we know ofcurrently and we can add to that in this thread at a later date whenmore information comes our way

For now what is posted here by me will be somewhat limited to whatI can find the time to post Bear in mind that the Jews were thewitnesses to what the Romans were doing and they tried to tell us viatheir works just what really went on when the Christian religion wasbeing created They knew who the persons were who were doing the deedas they were royals also and cousins of those who were authoring boththe Roman histories and the New Testament They were engaged in warwith those cousins over the issue of slavery

Roman

The Educational Articles Sitehttpwwwangelfirecomwi2eduarticles

PS I may try to put together an article on the subject of the Pisosin the Talmud and will post that here andor on the Educational Articles Site Please do not expectthis information anytime soon asI am already very far behind in what I trying to get done currently

This is not a particulary easy area for me as in many instances Icannot cite the exact passages as I can do with those items from theNew Testament I must if I am to do a good job in this area doublecheck with Abelard Reuchlin to make sure that the information andreferences are indeed accurate

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 92900 747 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (2 of 76)

2672 in reply to 2671

Hello Barbara and the rest of you

I spoke to Reuchlin and I think that the news is rather good

Firstly let me state to Barbara just what he had to say to her Hesays that he is far too busy to start exploring the roots of each ofthe Jewish languages but recommends that if this is what you wish topursue that you find books by Noah Chomsky who wrote back in the 1940s or so and work yourway up to the present day findings

Reuchlin says that he will be very lucky to live to see his bookscompleted as he is elderly If I understand him correctly he intends to put the books out involumes which are contained in several books They will be chronological in nature so that personswho read them will find it easier to locate reference material etc

He also said that he hopes to have the first book out in about a yearfrom now He does not expect a major publisher to pick up the bookand so he is looking at a limited edition of self-published booksThe majority of the books he says he intends to send to librariesHis intention is to get the information out there I know that there are many of you who werehoping to be able to purchase of copyof his new books I think that he will just wait to see what theresponse is and then consider whether he can afford to put out asecond edition

But throught it all he will keep working on the rest of the materialwhich will be put into several later books I think that once the keypersons find out about the initial book that there will be a call for the book to be published bysomeone or some organization such asa Jewish publishing house But that is just my take on this

In any case regarding the subject of what we term the Jewish ProofTexts Reuchlin has promised to include as much of that as he canOne particluar chapter he talked about he said was going to be titledTalmudic Responses to Piso So I think that when all of this comesout that there will be plenty of evidence from all sides There canhardly be any denying this once Reuchlin has his books out It is just too overwhelming Even theJews themselves will be totally takenaback to find out finally just what the texts that they had wonderedabout for so long actually refer to Jews have recited prayers forexample for which they have no clue as to what they refer to or arereally about - now they will be able to know EXACTLY what that prayer was preserved for topoint to PISO

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 92900 430 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (3 of 76)

2673 in reply to 2672

Before he decides to self-publish his work he should contactSchoken Books in New York They would more likely be interestedin this type of work They are publishers of all sorts of Jewishand other books and not as mainstream as some others

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

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To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (4 of 76)

2674 in reply to 2672

Is it questionable that a man as dedicated as Reuchlin will fall under attack by Christianapologists and anti-Semites alike In regards to his background of course does he know of thepossible threats out there of those who claim the authenticity of the Bible

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Hi Barbara

I will pass along your suggestion However I think that the reasonthat he wishes to self-publish is a legal one As a writer myself Iunderstand the issues that are involved

Submitting manuscripts to publishers take a lot of time You couldget tied up for 6 months at a time between awaiting replies frompublishers Next if your manuscript is accepted you are offered astandard contract and there is usually small print that says that they are more or less buying yourrights to the material That means that instead of you having any power or say in what happensto your material after that point you lose that and they are free toedit it in any way that they see fit

Essentially they have the right to change what you wrote and turn itcompletely around if they chose to do so So that is a huge risk There are a lot of legal issuesinvolved what I stated here is onlya small sample If you are not wise to those things or even if you are you can easily be takenadvantage of and your work can be (1)taken from you for peanuts and (2) published or NOT published (3)twisted around to make you look like a fool

So always be aware of those things when considering publishing Whenyou sign a contract you may very well be signing away all of yourbasic rights to your own work and allowing persons to use it againstyou if they so wish Be careful

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To MABEUS (6 of 76)

2676 in reply to 2674

MABEUS

Yes I think that Reuchlin is well aware of the resistance that hewill be met with when the books come out He has his own ways of doing things and he has beenfine so far He has been putting out hisbooklets since 1979

Between what he has been doing and what others have together we haveinformed over a million persons about this now But that is still afar cry from the over 450 million persons in the US

He will be careful He knows what the risk is

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To ALL (7 of 76)

2677 in reply to 2671

Hello

Great news I have just received a preview copy of examples from the Jewish Proof Texts fromAbelard Reuchlin

What I will do is when I get the time to I will go through and pickout selected paragraphs to share with you here in this forum And if I can also do it I will postsome of those with my own commentary in the form of articles online

I know how many of you have been waiting to read the Jewish side of this and most especiallybecause the Jews (Pharisees) of the time were also the eye-witnesses to the creation of theChristian religion I have read through this once and am very pleased with the level of scholarshipand the inclusion of references the use of the exact words and so on

This particular preview copy is what is planned to be a part of the latest edition of The TrueAuthorship of the New Testament That will probably come out in about a year from now

So this is something that we have all been waiting for Give me a couple of weeks to see what Ican do regarding this as I have other things to do first But you the readers posters and evenlurkers of this forum will be the first to see and read for the first time just what the Jews who knewabout what the Pisos did wrote in their own texts about it I think that once you see all of thisevidence that you will be amazed It is amazing that through all of the burnings of the Talmud thatsome of these original passages from the Talmud still even exist at all

The Roman Catholic church did so much to try to destroy and censor the Talmud and other Jewishtexts that we should be truly grateful for that which has survived it all - through crusades bookburningswars in continous succession through all of the years up to and including WWII Truly amazing

If it were not for those individuals who had hidden copies that were later found we would not havesome very important portions of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11500 651 pm

To ALL (8 of 76)

2678 in reply to 2671

LET IT BE KNOWN THAThellip

The suppression of ANY Piso related information in any way is an actof anti-Semitism And this is so for the following reasons

1 It is expressly the JEWS who were the chief witnesses to the creationof Christianity of the Christian Church and of the acts of the Pisofamily in their involvement with those

2 Other than the actual perpetrators themselves the JEWS were thechief recorders of these events and of the persons that were involvedwith them

3 The records of the JEWS regarding these things deserve to be heardequally if not more than any other records or views of these things

4 We now know that the records of ancient history supplied by the JEWSin combination with the other historical accounts give us a whole newview of the actual beginnings of the Christian religion as well as a wholenew view of the history of the time itself

5 The records and views of the JEWS have been attacked suppressedand even destroyed for most of the time throughout history since thebeginning of Christianity and here now in a free world with freespeech it is time that THEY be heard - and heard by EVERYONEIncluding and most especially by Christian believers who have beendeprived of having this view as well

6 The JEWISH records and view supplies us with the fact that thereare previously unknown and unrecognized JEWISH HEROES All ofwhom deserve to be recognized for their deeds sacrifices of life andlimb and for their parts within history itself And this cannot be doneunless these records and views of that history is made known

7 The dissemination of information about the Roman Piso family ISan express right and privilege that is guaranteed to all JEWSparticularly first and foremost but also of ALL people which shouldnever under any circumstance be suppressed destroyed or otherwisekept from the general public at large

Thus anyone who blocks or otherwise suppresses information aboutthe Roman Piso family or anything else relating to the JEWISH textsIS indeed anti-Semitic Anyone who is against getting information outto the public about the Roman Piso family and their creation of theChristian religion IS anti-Semitic as this is a major part of the Jewish

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texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

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THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

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PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

To ALL (14 of 76)

26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 92900 747 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (2 of 76)

2672 in reply to 2671

Hello Barbara and the rest of you

I spoke to Reuchlin and I think that the news is rather good

Firstly let me state to Barbara just what he had to say to her Hesays that he is far too busy to start exploring the roots of each ofthe Jewish languages but recommends that if this is what you wish topursue that you find books by Noah Chomsky who wrote back in the 1940s or so and work yourway up to the present day findings

Reuchlin says that he will be very lucky to live to see his bookscompleted as he is elderly If I understand him correctly he intends to put the books out involumes which are contained in several books They will be chronological in nature so that personswho read them will find it easier to locate reference material etc

He also said that he hopes to have the first book out in about a yearfrom now He does not expect a major publisher to pick up the bookand so he is looking at a limited edition of self-published booksThe majority of the books he says he intends to send to librariesHis intention is to get the information out there I know that there are many of you who werehoping to be able to purchase of copyof his new books I think that he will just wait to see what theresponse is and then consider whether he can afford to put out asecond edition

But throught it all he will keep working on the rest of the materialwhich will be put into several later books I think that once the keypersons find out about the initial book that there will be a call for the book to be published bysomeone or some organization such asa Jewish publishing house But that is just my take on this

In any case regarding the subject of what we term the Jewish ProofTexts Reuchlin has promised to include as much of that as he canOne particluar chapter he talked about he said was going to be titledTalmudic Responses to Piso So I think that when all of this comesout that there will be plenty of evidence from all sides There canhardly be any denying this once Reuchlin has his books out It is just too overwhelming Even theJews themselves will be totally takenaback to find out finally just what the texts that they had wonderedabout for so long actually refer to Jews have recited prayers forexample for which they have no clue as to what they refer to or arereally about - now they will be able to know EXACTLY what that prayer was preserved for topoint to PISO

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 92900 430 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (3 of 76)

2673 in reply to 2672

Before he decides to self-publish his work he should contactSchoken Books in New York They would more likely be interestedin this type of work They are publishers of all sorts of Jewishand other books and not as mainstream as some others

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From MABEUS 92900 453 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (4 of 76)

2674 in reply to 2672

Is it questionable that a man as dedicated as Reuchlin will fall under attack by Christianapologists and anti-Semites alike In regards to his background of course does he know of thepossible threats out there of those who claim the authenticity of the Bible

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (5 of 76) 2675 in reply to 2673

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Hi Barbara

I will pass along your suggestion However I think that the reasonthat he wishes to self-publish is a legal one As a writer myself Iunderstand the issues that are involved

Submitting manuscripts to publishers take a lot of time You couldget tied up for 6 months at a time between awaiting replies frompublishers Next if your manuscript is accepted you are offered astandard contract and there is usually small print that says that they are more or less buying yourrights to the material That means that instead of you having any power or say in what happensto your material after that point you lose that and they are free toedit it in any way that they see fit

Essentially they have the right to change what you wrote and turn itcompletely around if they chose to do so So that is a huge risk There are a lot of legal issuesinvolved what I stated here is onlya small sample If you are not wise to those things or even if you are you can easily be takenadvantage of and your work can be (1)taken from you for peanuts and (2) published or NOT published (3)twisted around to make you look like a fool

So always be aware of those things when considering publishing Whenyou sign a contract you may very well be signing away all of yourbasic rights to your own work and allowing persons to use it againstyou if they so wish Be careful

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 93000 207 am

To MABEUS (6 of 76)

2676 in reply to 2674

MABEUS

Yes I think that Reuchlin is well aware of the resistance that hewill be met with when the books come out He has his own ways of doing things and he has beenfine so far He has been putting out hisbooklets since 1979

Between what he has been doing and what others have together we haveinformed over a million persons about this now But that is still afar cry from the over 450 million persons in the US

He will be careful He knows what the risk is

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11400 648 pm

To ALL (7 of 76)

2677 in reply to 2671

Hello

Great news I have just received a preview copy of examples from the Jewish Proof Texts fromAbelard Reuchlin

What I will do is when I get the time to I will go through and pickout selected paragraphs to share with you here in this forum And if I can also do it I will postsome of those with my own commentary in the form of articles online

I know how many of you have been waiting to read the Jewish side of this and most especiallybecause the Jews (Pharisees) of the time were also the eye-witnesses to the creation of theChristian religion I have read through this once and am very pleased with the level of scholarshipand the inclusion of references the use of the exact words and so on

This particular preview copy is what is planned to be a part of the latest edition of The TrueAuthorship of the New Testament That will probably come out in about a year from now

So this is something that we have all been waiting for Give me a couple of weeks to see what Ican do regarding this as I have other things to do first But you the readers posters and evenlurkers of this forum will be the first to see and read for the first time just what the Jews who knewabout what the Pisos did wrote in their own texts about it I think that once you see all of thisevidence that you will be amazed It is amazing that through all of the burnings of the Talmud thatsome of these original passages from the Talmud still even exist at all

The Roman Catholic church did so much to try to destroy and censor the Talmud and other Jewishtexts that we should be truly grateful for that which has survived it all - through crusades bookburningswars in continous succession through all of the years up to and including WWII Truly amazing

If it were not for those individuals who had hidden copies that were later found we would not havesome very important portions of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11500 651 pm

To ALL (8 of 76)

2678 in reply to 2671

LET IT BE KNOWN THAThellip

The suppression of ANY Piso related information in any way is an actof anti-Semitism And this is so for the following reasons

1 It is expressly the JEWS who were the chief witnesses to the creationof Christianity of the Christian Church and of the acts of the Pisofamily in their involvement with those

2 Other than the actual perpetrators themselves the JEWS were thechief recorders of these events and of the persons that were involvedwith them

3 The records of the JEWS regarding these things deserve to be heardequally if not more than any other records or views of these things

4 We now know that the records of ancient history supplied by the JEWSin combination with the other historical accounts give us a whole newview of the actual beginnings of the Christian religion as well as a wholenew view of the history of the time itself

5 The records and views of the JEWS have been attacked suppressedand even destroyed for most of the time throughout history since thebeginning of Christianity and here now in a free world with freespeech it is time that THEY be heard - and heard by EVERYONEIncluding and most especially by Christian believers who have beendeprived of having this view as well

6 The JEWISH records and view supplies us with the fact that thereare previously unknown and unrecognized JEWISH HEROES All ofwhom deserve to be recognized for their deeds sacrifices of life andlimb and for their parts within history itself And this cannot be doneunless these records and views of that history is made known

7 The dissemination of information about the Roman Piso family ISan express right and privilege that is guaranteed to all JEWSparticularly first and foremost but also of ALL people which shouldnever under any circumstance be suppressed destroyed or otherwisekept from the general public at large

Thus anyone who blocks or otherwise suppresses information aboutthe Roman Piso family or anything else relating to the JEWISH textsIS indeed anti-Semitic Anyone who is against getting information outto the public about the Roman Piso family and their creation of theChristian religion IS anti-Semitic as this is a major part of the Jewish

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texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 823 am

To ALL (9 of 76) 2679 in reply to 2671

THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 830 am

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 831 am

To ALL (13 of 76)

26713 in reply to 2677

THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

To ALL (14 of 76)

26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

RP

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To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

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26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

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I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

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As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 92900 430 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (3 of 76)

2673 in reply to 2672

Before he decides to self-publish his work he should contactSchoken Books in New York They would more likely be interestedin this type of work They are publishers of all sorts of Jewishand other books and not as mainstream as some others

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From MABEUS 92900 453 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (4 of 76)

2674 in reply to 2672

Is it questionable that a man as dedicated as Reuchlin will fall under attack by Christianapologists and anti-Semites alike In regards to his background of course does he know of thepossible threats out there of those who claim the authenticity of the Bible

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (5 of 76) 2675 in reply to 2673

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Hi Barbara

I will pass along your suggestion However I think that the reasonthat he wishes to self-publish is a legal one As a writer myself Iunderstand the issues that are involved

Submitting manuscripts to publishers take a lot of time You couldget tied up for 6 months at a time between awaiting replies frompublishers Next if your manuscript is accepted you are offered astandard contract and there is usually small print that says that they are more or less buying yourrights to the material That means that instead of you having any power or say in what happensto your material after that point you lose that and they are free toedit it in any way that they see fit

Essentially they have the right to change what you wrote and turn itcompletely around if they chose to do so So that is a huge risk There are a lot of legal issuesinvolved what I stated here is onlya small sample If you are not wise to those things or even if you are you can easily be takenadvantage of and your work can be (1)taken from you for peanuts and (2) published or NOT published (3)twisted around to make you look like a fool

So always be aware of those things when considering publishing Whenyou sign a contract you may very well be signing away all of yourbasic rights to your own work and allowing persons to use it againstyou if they so wish Be careful

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 93000 207 am

To MABEUS (6 of 76)

2676 in reply to 2674

MABEUS

Yes I think that Reuchlin is well aware of the resistance that hewill be met with when the books come out He has his own ways of doing things and he has beenfine so far He has been putting out hisbooklets since 1979

Between what he has been doing and what others have together we haveinformed over a million persons about this now But that is still afar cry from the over 450 million persons in the US

He will be careful He knows what the risk is

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11400 648 pm

To ALL (7 of 76)

2677 in reply to 2671

Hello

Great news I have just received a preview copy of examples from the Jewish Proof Texts fromAbelard Reuchlin

What I will do is when I get the time to I will go through and pickout selected paragraphs to share with you here in this forum And if I can also do it I will postsome of those with my own commentary in the form of articles online

I know how many of you have been waiting to read the Jewish side of this and most especiallybecause the Jews (Pharisees) of the time were also the eye-witnesses to the creation of theChristian religion I have read through this once and am very pleased with the level of scholarshipand the inclusion of references the use of the exact words and so on

This particular preview copy is what is planned to be a part of the latest edition of The TrueAuthorship of the New Testament That will probably come out in about a year from now

So this is something that we have all been waiting for Give me a couple of weeks to see what Ican do regarding this as I have other things to do first But you the readers posters and evenlurkers of this forum will be the first to see and read for the first time just what the Jews who knewabout what the Pisos did wrote in their own texts about it I think that once you see all of thisevidence that you will be amazed It is amazing that through all of the burnings of the Talmud thatsome of these original passages from the Talmud still even exist at all

The Roman Catholic church did so much to try to destroy and censor the Talmud and other Jewishtexts that we should be truly grateful for that which has survived it all - through crusades bookburningswars in continous succession through all of the years up to and including WWII Truly amazing

If it were not for those individuals who had hidden copies that were later found we would not havesome very important portions of this

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11500 651 pm

To ALL (8 of 76)

2678 in reply to 2671

LET IT BE KNOWN THAThellip

The suppression of ANY Piso related information in any way is an actof anti-Semitism And this is so for the following reasons

1 It is expressly the JEWS who were the chief witnesses to the creationof Christianity of the Christian Church and of the acts of the Pisofamily in their involvement with those

2 Other than the actual perpetrators themselves the JEWS were thechief recorders of these events and of the persons that were involvedwith them

3 The records of the JEWS regarding these things deserve to be heardequally if not more than any other records or views of these things

4 We now know that the records of ancient history supplied by the JEWSin combination with the other historical accounts give us a whole newview of the actual beginnings of the Christian religion as well as a wholenew view of the history of the time itself

5 The records and views of the JEWS have been attacked suppressedand even destroyed for most of the time throughout history since thebeginning of Christianity and here now in a free world with freespeech it is time that THEY be heard - and heard by EVERYONEIncluding and most especially by Christian believers who have beendeprived of having this view as well

6 The JEWISH records and view supplies us with the fact that thereare previously unknown and unrecognized JEWISH HEROES All ofwhom deserve to be recognized for their deeds sacrifices of life andlimb and for their parts within history itself And this cannot be doneunless these records and views of that history is made known

7 The dissemination of information about the Roman Piso family ISan express right and privilege that is guaranteed to all JEWSparticularly first and foremost but also of ALL people which shouldnever under any circumstance be suppressed destroyed or otherwisekept from the general public at large

Thus anyone who blocks or otherwise suppresses information aboutthe Roman Piso family or anything else relating to the JEWISH textsIS indeed anti-Semitic Anyone who is against getting information outto the public about the Roman Piso family and their creation of theChristian religion IS anti-Semitic as this is a major part of the Jewish

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texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 823 am

To ALL (9 of 76) 2679 in reply to 2671

THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

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26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

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26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

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26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

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26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

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26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

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Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

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JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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General Discussion - Pisos in the Talmud Subscribe

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 4: PISO TALMUD

Hi Barbara

I will pass along your suggestion However I think that the reasonthat he wishes to self-publish is a legal one As a writer myself Iunderstand the issues that are involved

Submitting manuscripts to publishers take a lot of time You couldget tied up for 6 months at a time between awaiting replies frompublishers Next if your manuscript is accepted you are offered astandard contract and there is usually small print that says that they are more or less buying yourrights to the material That means that instead of you having any power or say in what happensto your material after that point you lose that and they are free toedit it in any way that they see fit

Essentially they have the right to change what you wrote and turn itcompletely around if they chose to do so So that is a huge risk There are a lot of legal issuesinvolved what I stated here is onlya small sample If you are not wise to those things or even if you are you can easily be takenadvantage of and your work can be (1)taken from you for peanuts and (2) published or NOT published (3)twisted around to make you look like a fool

So always be aware of those things when considering publishing Whenyou sign a contract you may very well be signing away all of yourbasic rights to your own work and allowing persons to use it againstyou if they so wish Be careful

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 93000 207 am

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2676 in reply to 2674

MABEUS

Yes I think that Reuchlin is well aware of the resistance that hewill be met with when the books come out He has his own ways of doing things and he has beenfine so far He has been putting out hisbooklets since 1979

Between what he has been doing and what others have together we haveinformed over a million persons about this now But that is still afar cry from the over 450 million persons in the US

He will be careful He knows what the risk is

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11400 648 pm

To ALL (7 of 76)

2677 in reply to 2671

Hello

Great news I have just received a preview copy of examples from the Jewish Proof Texts fromAbelard Reuchlin

What I will do is when I get the time to I will go through and pickout selected paragraphs to share with you here in this forum And if I can also do it I will postsome of those with my own commentary in the form of articles online

I know how many of you have been waiting to read the Jewish side of this and most especiallybecause the Jews (Pharisees) of the time were also the eye-witnesses to the creation of theChristian religion I have read through this once and am very pleased with the level of scholarshipand the inclusion of references the use of the exact words and so on

This particular preview copy is what is planned to be a part of the latest edition of The TrueAuthorship of the New Testament That will probably come out in about a year from now

So this is something that we have all been waiting for Give me a couple of weeks to see what Ican do regarding this as I have other things to do first But you the readers posters and evenlurkers of this forum will be the first to see and read for the first time just what the Jews who knewabout what the Pisos did wrote in their own texts about it I think that once you see all of thisevidence that you will be amazed It is amazing that through all of the burnings of the Talmud thatsome of these original passages from the Talmud still even exist at all

The Roman Catholic church did so much to try to destroy and censor the Talmud and other Jewishtexts that we should be truly grateful for that which has survived it all - through crusades bookburningswars in continous succession through all of the years up to and including WWII Truly amazing

If it were not for those individuals who had hidden copies that were later found we would not havesome very important portions of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11500 651 pm

To ALL (8 of 76)

2678 in reply to 2671

LET IT BE KNOWN THAThellip

The suppression of ANY Piso related information in any way is an actof anti-Semitism And this is so for the following reasons

1 It is expressly the JEWS who were the chief witnesses to the creationof Christianity of the Christian Church and of the acts of the Pisofamily in their involvement with those

2 Other than the actual perpetrators themselves the JEWS were thechief recorders of these events and of the persons that were involvedwith them

3 The records of the JEWS regarding these things deserve to be heardequally if not more than any other records or views of these things

4 We now know that the records of ancient history supplied by the JEWSin combination with the other historical accounts give us a whole newview of the actual beginnings of the Christian religion as well as a wholenew view of the history of the time itself

5 The records and views of the JEWS have been attacked suppressedand even destroyed for most of the time throughout history since thebeginning of Christianity and here now in a free world with freespeech it is time that THEY be heard - and heard by EVERYONEIncluding and most especially by Christian believers who have beendeprived of having this view as well

6 The JEWISH records and view supplies us with the fact that thereare previously unknown and unrecognized JEWISH HEROES All ofwhom deserve to be recognized for their deeds sacrifices of life andlimb and for their parts within history itself And this cannot be doneunless these records and views of that history is made known

7 The dissemination of information about the Roman Piso family ISan express right and privilege that is guaranteed to all JEWSparticularly first and foremost but also of ALL people which shouldnever under any circumstance be suppressed destroyed or otherwisekept from the general public at large

Thus anyone who blocks or otherwise suppresses information aboutthe Roman Piso family or anything else relating to the JEWISH textsIS indeed anti-Semitic Anyone who is against getting information outto the public about the Roman Piso family and their creation of theChristian religion IS anti-Semitic as this is a major part of the Jewish

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texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 823 am

To ALL (9 of 76) 2679 in reply to 2671

THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

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Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

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26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

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26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

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26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

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26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

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Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

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26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

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JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesushtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

Edited 41901 93230 AM ET by AR281

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11400 648 pm

To ALL (7 of 76)

2677 in reply to 2671

Hello

Great news I have just received a preview copy of examples from the Jewish Proof Texts fromAbelard Reuchlin

What I will do is when I get the time to I will go through and pickout selected paragraphs to share with you here in this forum And if I can also do it I will postsome of those with my own commentary in the form of articles online

I know how many of you have been waiting to read the Jewish side of this and most especiallybecause the Jews (Pharisees) of the time were also the eye-witnesses to the creation of theChristian religion I have read through this once and am very pleased with the level of scholarshipand the inclusion of references the use of the exact words and so on

This particular preview copy is what is planned to be a part of the latest edition of The TrueAuthorship of the New Testament That will probably come out in about a year from now

So this is something that we have all been waiting for Give me a couple of weeks to see what Ican do regarding this as I have other things to do first But you the readers posters and evenlurkers of this forum will be the first to see and read for the first time just what the Jews who knewabout what the Pisos did wrote in their own texts about it I think that once you see all of thisevidence that you will be amazed It is amazing that through all of the burnings of the Talmud thatsome of these original passages from the Talmud still even exist at all

The Roman Catholic church did so much to try to destroy and censor the Talmud and other Jewishtexts that we should be truly grateful for that which has survived it all - through crusades bookburningswars in continous succession through all of the years up to and including WWII Truly amazing

If it were not for those individuals who had hidden copies that were later found we would not havesome very important portions of this

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11500 651 pm

To ALL (8 of 76)

2678 in reply to 2671

LET IT BE KNOWN THAThellip

The suppression of ANY Piso related information in any way is an actof anti-Semitism And this is so for the following reasons

1 It is expressly the JEWS who were the chief witnesses to the creationof Christianity of the Christian Church and of the acts of the Pisofamily in their involvement with those

2 Other than the actual perpetrators themselves the JEWS were thechief recorders of these events and of the persons that were involvedwith them

3 The records of the JEWS regarding these things deserve to be heardequally if not more than any other records or views of these things

4 We now know that the records of ancient history supplied by the JEWSin combination with the other historical accounts give us a whole newview of the actual beginnings of the Christian religion as well as a wholenew view of the history of the time itself

5 The records and views of the JEWS have been attacked suppressedand even destroyed for most of the time throughout history since thebeginning of Christianity and here now in a free world with freespeech it is time that THEY be heard - and heard by EVERYONEIncluding and most especially by Christian believers who have beendeprived of having this view as well

6 The JEWISH records and view supplies us with the fact that thereare previously unknown and unrecognized JEWISH HEROES All ofwhom deserve to be recognized for their deeds sacrifices of life andlimb and for their parts within history itself And this cannot be doneunless these records and views of that history is made known

7 The dissemination of information about the Roman Piso family ISan express right and privilege that is guaranteed to all JEWSparticularly first and foremost but also of ALL people which shouldnever under any circumstance be suppressed destroyed or otherwisekept from the general public at large

Thus anyone who blocks or otherwise suppresses information aboutthe Roman Piso family or anything else relating to the JEWISH textsIS indeed anti-Semitic Anyone who is against getting information outto the public about the Roman Piso family and their creation of theChristian religion IS anti-Semitic as this is a major part of the Jewish

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texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 823 am

To ALL (9 of 76) 2679 in reply to 2671

THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

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Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

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26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

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26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

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26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

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26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

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Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

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JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

Edited 41901 93230 AM ET by AR281

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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General Discussion - Pisos in the Talmud Subscribe

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11500 651 pm

To ALL (8 of 76)

2678 in reply to 2671

LET IT BE KNOWN THAThellip

The suppression of ANY Piso related information in any way is an actof anti-Semitism And this is so for the following reasons

1 It is expressly the JEWS who were the chief witnesses to the creationof Christianity of the Christian Church and of the acts of the Pisofamily in their involvement with those

2 Other than the actual perpetrators themselves the JEWS were thechief recorders of these events and of the persons that were involvedwith them

3 The records of the JEWS regarding these things deserve to be heardequally if not more than any other records or views of these things

4 We now know that the records of ancient history supplied by the JEWSin combination with the other historical accounts give us a whole newview of the actual beginnings of the Christian religion as well as a wholenew view of the history of the time itself

5 The records and views of the JEWS have been attacked suppressedand even destroyed for most of the time throughout history since thebeginning of Christianity and here now in a free world with freespeech it is time that THEY be heard - and heard by EVERYONEIncluding and most especially by Christian believers who have beendeprived of having this view as well

6 The JEWISH records and view supplies us with the fact that thereare previously unknown and unrecognized JEWISH HEROES All ofwhom deserve to be recognized for their deeds sacrifices of life andlimb and for their parts within history itself And this cannot be doneunless these records and views of that history is made known

7 The dissemination of information about the Roman Piso family ISan express right and privilege that is guaranteed to all JEWSparticularly first and foremost but also of ALL people which shouldnever under any circumstance be suppressed destroyed or otherwisekept from the general public at large

Thus anyone who blocks or otherwise suppresses information aboutthe Roman Piso family or anything else relating to the JEWISH textsIS indeed anti-Semitic Anyone who is against getting information outto the public about the Roman Piso family and their creation of theChristian religion IS anti-Semitic as this is a major part of the Jewish

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texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 823 am

To ALL (9 of 76) 2679 in reply to 2671

THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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To ALL (11 of 76) 26711 in reply to 2672

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 830 am

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

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Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

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26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

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26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

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26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 7: PISO TALMUD

texts and purpose for those texts and teachings It IS the reason for thecontinuance of the Jewish religion itself whether or not most Jewsthemselves know this yet or not This was the providence of the JewishLEADERS and authors of those texts themselves and thus it is a partof what is incumbent for ALL Jews to learn about this now

Post this information everywhere possible on the Internet Tell andinform all persons that you can about this so that they will know thisand post it on your website

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 823 am

To ALL (9 of 76) 2679 in reply to 2671

THE JEWISH PROOF TEXTS A COMMENTARY BY ROMAN PISO(11052000)

Abelard Reuchlin says The Talmud did not attack Jesus There was noneed And the reason that there was no need is because Jesus was NOTreal He was a composite character created by Arrius Piso Reuchlinexplains Rather the talmudic responses even if it appeared some weredirected at Jesus instead were all directed at Piso

The very reason for the Talmud and the continuance of the Jewishreligion was specifically to preserve the truth of how Christianity hadbegun and the part that the Jewish heroes had played in the true historyof that time so that the world could learn about it and be a better placein which to live That is the TRUE purpose of being a Jew It is anobligation for all Jews to study about this to learn it and to tell others

No Jew is free to desist from this obligation though they are notobligated to finish this work individually And no person can preventany Jew from discussing this from putting it into public forums orto otherwise suppress this information without that being an act ofAnti-Semitism

I will be quoting Reuchlinrsquos statements here and so what you see inquotes are his statements He said Everything in the Talmudostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianity instead was a coded allusionto Piso or his family The Talmud is replete with such hidden statementsmany supposedly on other subjects Almost all appear in the Babylonianversion of the Talmud many scattered through Sanhedrin and in

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Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 830 am

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 831 am

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26713 in reply to 2677

THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

To ALL (14 of 76)

26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

RP

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

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26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

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I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 8: PISO TALMUD

Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where the destruction of the Temple isalluded to by strange Inner-Circle accounts

In all of these talmudic-type writings they scattered allusions to Pisosome humorous some angry some very bitter Many of the allusionswhich appeared to be stories were created fables The NT had been agreat fable and contained many sub-fables In responding to Piso theTalmud writers therefore felt it appropriate to also use fables - that isfictional stories

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have neverheard of him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there aretalmudic coded responses to him At most the few who study earlyChristianity think Yeshu was spelled that way because it always meantmay his name and remembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant anearly pupil of Yeshu the Nazarite And that is all This entire book (theTalmud) is eons beyond their knowledgehellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thissubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create abond of secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

(Seemingly) Strange names and various letters were used to allude tohim (Piso) in code the letters were intended to be changed into otherletters to ultimately produce the name Piso

The Talmud writers correctly knew that the (Piso) family would notpermit open mention of his name(s) - despite how lax the family werein permitting mention of Plinyrsquos (Pliny the Younger) name as we willsee The writers perceived that if they attempted to mention Piso theywould forfeit countless Jewish lives Nonetheless over several hundredyears the writers cautiously slipped into the Talmud a number ofdisconnected fleeting allusions to his three true names The few timesthey dared to do this the words were carefully designed to have noseeming NT nor Roman context

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

To ALL (10 of 76)

26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

RP

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26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 824 am

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26710 in reply to 2679

PISOrsquoS TRUE THREE NAMES IN THE TALMUD

The talmudic writers knew that most of the evidence about what thePisos had done were in fact already given in the Roman works of theperpetrators themselves in the form of jokes allusions and boasts Sothe primary purpose of the information within the Talmud was for theedification of those who could understand what it was saying aboutthis in comparison to evidence already found in the Roman works inshort it was confirming evidence - supplemental and affirming It wasas a famous commentator used to say the REST of the story

Realizing just how dangerous it was for the Jews to mention anythingabout Arrius Piso (the creator of Jesus) it is quite amazing to find thatthey actually accomplished the task of giving his three true names inthe Talmud by hiding these as best they could So here they are (Whichconfirms the examples of his names that are also found in the Romanworks)

1 ARRIUS In a fable of a visitor to Rav Yochanan (himself a literaryalter ego of Yochanan ben Zakkai) appears the statement ARI OLAHMErsquoBOBEL which meant a lion has come up from Babylon (ieRome) ARI was a shortened form of the Hebrew ARYEA whichmeant a lion Secretly however ARI was an illusion to Arrius Andwe have seen another insertion in code of the name ARI(US)in thephrase ARAYIN KEY MATAI In code this meant ARI of the AYIN(which stood for 70 the Septuagint) wrote Matthew

2 CALPURNIUS Although this does not appear in that formMEENAY PURONOOYOT meaning types of punishment ispresent in the phrase meaning seven types of punishment come to theworld for seven capital transgressions Notice the insertions of sevenplus seven they total 14 A more complete statement is in a discussion ofvarious plagues of insects where the phrase is KOL MEENAYPOORONEEYUS Supposedly this means all types of calamities Butwhen the first two wordsrsquo sequence is reversed there appears MEENAYKOLPOORNEEYUS meaning the lsquoMinrsquo of Kalpurnius

3 PISO Often this name is referred to secretly by the switching of lettersWe have located only one place where the name was openly slipped in butsupposedly pertaining to an earlier period and in another altogetherdifferent context The story relates that PISHON HArsquoGOMOL Pishonthe camel driver was using the property of his unnamed minor wife

She refused (challenged) his conduct during his absence The Court

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

Related Notes

If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

RP

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 831 am

To ALL (13 of 76)

26713 in reply to 2677

THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

RP

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

Roman Page

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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which subjected him to two penalties was placed in the time of the schoolof Shammi (and of Hillel) This was about the year 1 CE By placing thefable in this period it could later be argued that this PishonPison couldnot possibly be someone living 37-118 CE years later Yet to Hebrewscholars with Inner-Circle knowledge the term camel driver clearlywould show whose name the writers had used in this story

Ib Bava Kamma 117a 2b Abot 510 3b Taanit 14a10 4b Yeb 107b

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If you are not already familiar with this subject in enough detail tounderstand what is being stated here you will need to get a copy ofThe True Authorship of the New Testament by Abelard ReuchlinThe cost is $500 Send payment to The Abelard Reuchlin Foundation5652 Kent WA 98064

Regarding Ari as a shortened form of Aryea (lion) this brings to mindsomething that we find in Revelations 132 In the statement the beastwhich I saw was like unto a leopard the Greek word for leopard is alsothe same word that is used in Greek for panther And this once oneknows the true meanings of these things exposes a lot More on this alittle further in this article By the way the word is pardalis in Greekand it seems that the word may likewise have been synonymous with theword lsquolionrsquo as one may see when one adds leo (lion) leo-pardalis

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NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

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I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

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Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

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Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

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Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

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Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

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26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

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26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

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26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

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26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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Page 11: PISO TALMUD

NAMES FOR JESUS WERE ACTUALLY ALLUSIONS TO PISO

The various names in the Talmud which were supposedly applied toJesus were in fact all allusions to Piso That was because Piso was thefocus of the Jewish resentment for what he and Rome had done to them

1 YESHU in the Talmud was supposedly a shortened form of the GreekIESOUS That was the surface reason for which that name was createdAnd by medieval times it supposedly was an acrostic for YEMACHSHEMOH VrsquoZICHOROH which meant may his name andremembrances be erased

The true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary toits being a seeming shortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6

More about this name will be forthcoming in future works

2 BALAAM that is the second Balaam is another name seeminglyapplied by the (writers of the) Talmud to Jesus but in fact instead toPiso As usual the idea originated in Pisorsquos own writings Balaamappeared in the NT in 2 Peter 215 Jude verse 11 and Revelation214 Each time the believers were chastised for following Balaamrsquosdoctrines and Piso and his sons were teasing them that they werefollowing Piso in the guise of Balaam

Hence the Talmud attacks Piso under the name of Balaam Thenastiest story has Balaam raised from the dead by incantations admithis punishment is boiling hot semen Then the sinners of Israel arelikewise raised and they admit their punishment is boiling hotexcrement The phrase sinners of Israel was inserted in place ofthe name of Yeshu after (Catholic) Church censorship deleted the nameBut the fact the name Yeshu was originally used here shows how farthe Talmud writers dared go thinking this would be relatively safe solong as they did not use obvious references to Piso

A calmer tale involving Balaam contains numbers which in threedifferent ways secretly allude to Piso in Greek The tale asks howold was Balaam the lame when he was killed by Phineas the robberBalaam is lame as an allusion to Paterculus father-lame Pisorsquosmaternal great grandfather who originated the idea for what eventuallybecame the Gospel of Mark

The Talmud asks whether Balaam was 33 or 34 years old when hewas killed It says men of blood and deceit shall not live out half of theirdays Because normal life (for aristocrats) then extended to 70 years ofage he would have been less than 35 The answer then given was thathe was 33 when he was killed

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An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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Page 12: PISO TALMUD

An interesting punishment for BalaamPiso Perhaps this is anindication that his sexual escapades got the best of him by having givenhim a sexually transmitted disease that caused him painful discharges Herford p 67-69 Gittin 56b 57a Herford p 72 Sanh 106b Balaam being synonymous with Jesus died at 33 like Jesus didAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Greatbeing an ancestor of Arrius Piso And Arrius too was Balaam the lameas he was (1) lamed because of the fall from his horse and (2) as helikewise carried the (inherited) name of Marcus as his ancestors did

3 YESHU BEN PANTIRI or BEN PANDIRA because in Hebrew tand d could interchange The panther was holy to Bacchus This wasthe Latin form of the Greek Dionysius the god of the vine (or of wine)Piso used the variant name Bassus and in fact under the name QuadratusBassus his death is recorded in 118 (CE) And Jesus in John 151 saidI am the true vine and my father is the husbandman (vinedresser)

Hence the panther and other felines - the cat the kitten the puss theleopard - have (all) been used as allusions to Piso They perhaps erredin placing the name Yeshu before it making it easy for the Churchcensors to later notice and delete

There will be more information about this made available at a laterdate andor in other places See information about Ben Pantera asmeaning son of mother ie he Arrius had the same name (exceptin the masculine form) as his mother - ARRIA And so by calling oralluding to Jesus as Ben Pantera the Jews could point to his name orconfirm it as ARRIUS by the use of this particular method withoutrisking the death of thousands of Jews by the royals who happened tobe descendants of Arrius Piso and his close relatives

4 BEN SATADA This is the most difficult of the talmudic names ofJesus (really of Piso) to decipher But Satada seems to be a disguisedSarata which meant either son of a tatooer or an expert at tattooing

In changing Sarata to Satada a similar code process was followed as indisguising HaMin as Chinom Here the r was changed to d (becausethe Hebrew letters had similar appearance) and then the t to d(because being similar in sounding letters) were changed in sequenceHence Sarata could be disguised as Satada Although Sarata meantliterally a tatooer it could also figuratively mean a scribbler or writerHence Piso A talmudic statement says that Ben Stada IS Ben Pandira(and so just another name for the same person being spoken of)

However to me Satada by use of the newly discovered royal languagewould produce Satana(s) which is the Greek spelling of SATANwhich for the Jews meant the hater and the accuser This seems a

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most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 830 am

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 13: PISO TALMUD

most appropriate name for Jesus since Jesus really was onlyrepresentative of Piso and Piso had been calling the Jews of the devilSo it makes sense that they would use Satada as a secret name forPisoJesus as a disguised Satan so that they could rail back at him inliterature and say if we are of the devil then you ARE the devilsatan(incarnate) In the royal language the d would become n to renderSatana(s) in Greek by use of the equivalent letters in Hebrew

Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus pp 45-46 Notethat ancient writers would keep a copy of their original works scribbledor written upon hides or animal skins A cache of such examples werefound in caves occupied by the Jews during the war with the Romans Herford p 37

5 MAMZER The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as aMAMZER which supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth Theproblem is that one who never existed cannot have been of any (real)birth at all Therefore one must search in the word MAMZER foralternative meanings As the normal pattern when one finds them theypoint directly at Piso

Herford p Midrash Yeb IV13 Yeb Gamara 49b More o [Message truncated]

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THE DEATH OF PISOrsquoS SON IN THE TALMUD

Talmud bSanhedrin that treasure-trove of Inner-Circle storiescontains two accounts of the execution of Pisorsquos son by stoning Bothwere later censored out by Church censors One calls him Yeshu theNazarite and says he was stoned on the eve of Passover The secondsection which is longer calls him Ben STADA

The inclusion of these tales was dangerous particularly the formerwhich mentioned the name and execution of YESHU Censors laterexpunged (removeddeleted) them Even though the second section wasmore cautious in referring to BEN STADA not YESHU it wasobviously similar enough to the former section that it was censored outalso When Herford compiled his remarkable work a century ago herestored both sections in Hebrew (in) his pages 405 and 406 The

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leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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Page 14: PISO TALMUD

leading edition of the Talmud the Soncino still lacks the sections

The prelude to the stoning of Ben StadaYeshu is another talmudicfable of Yeshu the Nazarene going down to Egypt with his masterJoshua ben Perachya This was placed during the reign of lateMaccabean king Alexander Jannaeus who had killed many Phariseesand forced the remainder to flee to Alexandria When the survivingPharisees were permitted to return Yeshu lodged with his master atan inn - because the HebrewAramaic word for lodging place wasUSHPIZAH a disguised ISH PISO the man Piso

This was an effort by the Talmud writers to place Yeshu 100 yearsprior to the NT so that their descendants could argue that the Yeshuwhom their Sanhedrin had executed not only had a name differentthan IESUS but had lived a century earlier Thus he was a differentperson from the Jesus of the NT of whom they knew nothing whilesimultaneously including Hebrew Inner-Circle code so that theinitiates among their own descendants would know the story relatedto Piso and his created hero Even today the few scholars who attemptto decipher this YESHU call him the Jannaean Jesus after the lateMaccabean king in whose reign he was inserted They little perceivethat like Pisorsquos Jesus this Jewish Jesus too was entirely fictitious

Herford p 83 Herford pp 78-79 Herford pp 50-51 Sanh 107b and also Sotah 47a

Note STADA appears to be SAT(AN) rearranged as d and ninterchanged and Satan (as we now sayknow it in English) was ashortened form of the same word that we saw above Satana(s)which again was the spelling in Greek

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THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

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Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

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Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

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26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

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JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

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Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

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I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

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26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

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Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

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Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

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Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesushtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 831 am

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26713 in reply to 2677

THE TALMUD REFERS TO PISO AS CANAANITE AND CAIN

The most mysterious name under which the Talmud writers respondedto Piso was as the Canaanite KNAANEE in Hebrew The Canaanitesthe seven nations listed in the Hebrew bible had disappeared hundredsof years before the second century of our era They vanished through acombination of Israelite wars and absorption among the Israelite peopleYet in the Talmud stories of ancient Canaanites were told

As a confirmation that to the Talmud Canaan was Piso is the tale thatCanaan instructed his sons in five things love one another loverobbery love lewdness hate your masters and do not speak the truth

The five instructions must have been because Piso saw himself ashaving five sons in total (and because of their deeds) And interestinglythis story was made to appear in the very same volume Pesachim as theabove story hinted that the Pisos are (were) honorable princes who havedeceit in their hand

Pes 113b

Note Canaan could also be Cinin pronounced andor spelled KININThat is Ki with a long I and Nin The KI is C as an acrosticfor Calpurnius and the Nin means the same thing that it meant whenit was seen as a part of the name Arrius Anto-NIN-us baby (Jesus)

Canaan also means of Cain Writing as Josephus Piso says thatCain changed the world So it appears that HE JosephusArrius Pisosaw himself as a new Cain for also having changed the worldJosephus (Piso) says of Cain And whereas they lived innocently andgenerously while they knew nothing of such arts he (Cain) changed theworld into cunning craftiness Yes Piso - the NEW Cain

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 832 am

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26714 in reply to 2678

STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

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26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

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26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

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26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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STARS-WORSHIPPER TALMUDIC REFERENCE TO PISO

Another term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVEDCOCHOVIM a stars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greek

It was as to the stars-worshippers a group seemingly farthestremoved from Christianity that the Talmud writers expressed mostanger at Piso As to the worshipper of stars and Jewish shepherds ofsmall cattle even though one is not bound to get them out of a pit onemust not throw them in

In the NT Piso had mocked the laws of the Sabbath Therefore RESHLAKISH (who may be a disguised Piso) says that a stars-worshipperobserving a day of rest deserves death Piso had plagiarized theTanach (Torah Prophets and Psalms) in creating the ultimate anti-Jewish religion Therefore his great opponent R Yochanan is quotedas saying that a worshipper of the stars who studies the Torah deservesdeath

Samuel is quoted as saying that property of a stars-worshipper is likeunclaimed land in the desert that is the first occupier can claim itIn this there is pathos Romans seized Judaean land formerly owned bysupporters of the revolt or abandoned and sold it as publicproperty Of course the survivors were powerless to prevent thisTheir retaliation could be only literary

Av Zarah 13b Sanh 58b Sanh 59a Baba Bath 54b Alon Vol I p 59 citing Josephusrsquo Jewish Wars VII216

Note Stars-worshippers meaning those who were using or dependingupon the stars or constellations for their various lsquocyclesrsquo so as to be ableto make or demonstrate lsquomiraclesrsquo with which to fool the masses withas this was the practice of the ancient royals amp high priests That is itappears that there is some evidence that by the knowledge of some royals(and therefore high priests) of the stars and the cycles of the constellationswith regards to seasons and years various solar lunar and other heavenly

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events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

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Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 17: PISO TALMUD

events could be predicted ahead of time Such as the arrival of cometsof eclipses and of meteor showers - all of which were viewed by theignorant masses as miracles

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11600 834 am

To ALL (15 of 76) 26715 in reply to 26710

CENSORSHIP OF THE TALMUD IMPOSED UPON THE JEWS

The medieval censorship of the Talmud by the church has been alluded towith reference to the name Yeshu ben Pandira (Pantiri) Because thisname included Yeshu it was an obvious target (of church censors) Butit was far from the only target

Piso had smitten had destroyed the Temple and boasted of it in codeand he was long dead The Jews were unable to reciprocate in kind Themost they could do was reciprocate in their own literature Thus theywished on him posthumously that he should smite himself

Piso is answered (in the Talmud) under the name of YOSI This wasobviously short for his Greek IOSEPOS (nameidentity) Twice inmesichta (volume) bSanhedrin at pp 56a and 60a (in fact on the verytop line of the former) appears the phrase YACKEH YOSI ET YOSI[Or may Yosi (Josephus) smite Yosi (Josephus) Note that there isanother meaning to lsquosmitersquo here and that is the vulgar form of havinginter] The commentator in the Talmud suggests that this meantthat a John Doe (the purported meaning of YOSI) who blasphemed Godshould himself be blasphemed It did not mean that Instead it was afrustrated hope in literary form that Piso should do IT to himself

The church taught its largely illiterate populations that the Jews wouldaccept Christ if only they were not misled and blinded by the erroneousopinions about Christ in their Talmud The church controlled everythingThus it was able to enforce its will on the Jews that is seize and censortheir books

The ancient Jewish rabbis starting at Yavneh before the year 100 CEand the generations of their successors who would put the Talmudtogether were literate in Greek and knew the Pisorsquos codes They hadresponded to Piso with their own Hebrew and Aramaic Inner-Circleallusions which were based on those he (Piso) had created in Greek

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Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

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I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

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26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 18: PISO TALMUD

Nor did they (the talmudists) dare to write these nasty comments inPalestine which was under Romersquos control but rather in the BabylonianTalmud written in Persia beyond Romersquos control The talmudic nastinesstoward minim goyim star-worshippers cutheans canaanites - all (were)disguised literary attacks on the Pisos - were only a fairy-tale worldWhere it is stated Minim or Cutheans who have fallen into a pit neednot be brought up or a Cuthi may be killed these are fanciful wishesborn of frustration but impossible of deed

The church censors could find seize and expurgate such obvioustalmudic Hebrew allusions as the name Yeshu ben Pantiri and wordslike minim which they thought meant early Hebrew ChristiansHowever the Herodians in Rome with their deep knowledge of Hebrewand of Inner-Circle codes were many centuries deed And the censorslacked knowledge of the talmudic responses to Pisorsquos countless Inner-Circle allusions - and even if they were somehow knowledgeable inHebrew (they missed so many anyway) Thus such Hebrew allusionsas Abba Koloon Avkoloos Bar Leviyonus Bar Kamtsah the roosterhen cake baker horse camel and the use of numbers both individuallyand in the spelling of Hebrew words and the switching of Hebrewletters - all generally escaped the church censors

Despite the censorship and enforced conversionary sermons insynagogues the Jews refused to convert to Christianity The churchfrustrated started seizing and burning the Talmud as a whole - inaddition to framing the Jews on spurious charges and expelling thosethey had not burned at the state

The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that their scholars offuture generations would well remember that it was the Pisos who haddestroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them

By the early 1500rsquos the church had instigated the expulsion of mostJews from Catholic Europe The Talmud and what it said about Yeshuand minim was no longer a prime concern of the church Besides thechurch well knew these talmudic statements were but the tip of theiceberg of its great secret which it had labored so many centuries topreserve Other problems now faced it problems in Europe from theinvention of printing and then the stirrings of Protantism

Both words for lion and panther too were being used inter-changeably so that when panther was used even in disguised variants ofthe word it still really meant lion and lion in turn meant or stood forari (Arrius) So we also have this cleverly disguised Yeshu (Jesus)son (inventioncreation) of Arrius The invention of moveable type was attributed to Johannes Gutenburg

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and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

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I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 19: PISO TALMUD

and also the printing press Moveable type was invented about the year1448 and the printing press about 1450 CE By the early 1500rsquos therewas no real sense in burning copies of the Talmud as new copies couldbe printed in their place This was a frightening prospect to the church

RP

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From Nelson20 11600 621 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (16 of 76)

26716 in reply to 2678

I have a question about RASHI

Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac (or Shlomo Yitzhaki) is known by the acronym RaShI

Dates1040-1105

PlaceTroyes France

Was RASHI aware of the allusions to the Piso authorship

Nelson

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From KITSTER_A1 11600 944 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (17 of 76)

26717 in reply to 26715

Hey RP

WOW Thanks many times over Thanks not only for Abelard Reuchlin newest research butthanks for your understanding knowledge dedication well articulated thoughts and mostly yourpatience with those of us who have so much to learn Im still sifting through all of this but gettingthere

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 1249 am

To Nelson20 (18 of 76)

26718 in reply to 26716

Hi Nelson

The quick answer is yes Yes RASHI knew about the Pisos and wrote his own commentarieswith Inner-Circle meanings This will be a part of the subject matter that Abelard Reuchlin will bediscussing in his upcoming works

As I said before he plans on making his new works in chronologicalorder beginning from about the time that the Pisos did their work on the New Testament and Jesusup till more recent times I think that his work will touch upon all important aspects throughout thatentire time - concluding I think with WWII and Hitler

The ironic thing about it is that the more that we seem to answer the more questions pop up and itis never ending But I hope that as more information is made available to everyone more peoplewill be able to work on this more for themselves And that should help us all to answer many thingsthat seem to be the most difficult at present in terms of specifics

We will all learn a lot from the works of Abelard Reuchlin

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11700 101 am

To KITSTER_A1 (19 of 76)

26719 in reply to 26717

Hello KITSTER_A1

Your comments are appreciated I do what I can You should know though that informationregarding the Jewish side of this has been requested for a very long time And I have tried tosupply what I could so it is really a relief for me to finally be able to get some of that informationon the forum

What I did was to take what I thought to be the most important partsof Reuchlins work (and a little of my own) and compile that into short articles with commentaryIve known of a good deal of this for some time but I was told it verbally and did not know how tospell some of the words in Hebrew exactly So that is why it has taken me such a long time I alsowanted to do this so that we all would not have to wait any longer to have this available to us

The material that Reuchlin sent to me on this was about 60 pages and was only a small part of whathe has been working on Out of those 60 pages I selected about 8 pages of comments here and therethat I thought were important and gave them as quotes and added my own comments to those Sowhat I am saying is that there is a lot more to this - many more details and other things that I havenot even talked about with anyone yet nor written about And besides all of that there areCHARTS that were supplied I will try to replicate those too in some way for those of you here

Cheers

RP

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From MABEUS 11700 111 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (20 of 76)

26720 in reply to 26718

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to Mr Reuchlin will you

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

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I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

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RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11800 553 pm

To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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General Discussion - Pisos in the Talmud Subscribe

From Nelson20 11700 438 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (21 of 76)

26721 in reply to 26719

Most excellent It is more than appropriate thatthe Jews get the final say in this matter Theyhave been the targets for these thousands of yearsand it is about time it stopped As long as thePiso poison lurks in the Jesus fairytale we aregoing to see repeats of the pogroms and theInquisitions Without the ammunition of Christianitywhen the fraud has been undeniably revealed by thetext of the Talmud there will no longer be a reasonfor persecution

Keep going RP This is a revolution and you area hero

Nelson

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To ALL (22 of 76) 26722 in reply to 2671

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Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 24: PISO TALMUD

Hello All

For those of you who do not remember or who are new here this is what we have been sayingabout this all along The JEWS were the witnesses to how Christianity began

We have been saying this for so long and those who have been critial of what we have said havebeen overlooking this or ignoring it And this is what most people have not understood Theassumption has been that this was something that ATHEISTS or persons other than the JEWS havebeen saying and that may be because they concluded that just because the people who were talkingabout this were or appeared to be atheists or anti-Christians andor because of WHERE theinformation may have been posted

The truth of the matter is (and always has been) that this is patently JEWISH in nature because itcomes from the JEWS as the witnesses to this It does not matter who talks about this or who pointsthis out this IS Jewish But simply saying this is not enough as there are many Jews who do not yetknow what the Jewish books have been saying to them all along and because not all Jews wereor are the same Nonetheless this MUST be seem as Jewish in nature and that is because that is thetruth and because the Jews deserve the credit for it as if they had not recorded what they had thiswould have been much more difficult to prove to the world

And as I had said before they gave they lives by the thousands -sometimes thousands in one dayfor all of our sakes Not just onefictional person hung on a cross but thousands hung upon the wallsin Jerusalem and left to suffer and die as well as being tortured todeath horribly their women raped the wealth and property seized and being put into slavery withsome forced to die in the Roman circus putting on shows for the Roman masses All of this sothatone day the world may know this and be FREE once and for all

But their heroes the ones who died and suffered and how tried to stop the Pisos from enslaving theworld with ignorance they deserve to be known for what they gave up their lives for Just as theydeserve to be noticed and know so do WE all deserve to know the truth that they tried to show andgive to us

Those persons who thumbed their noses at us for trying to tell people about the Pisos will one dayunderstand just what they were really doing and feel shame for it - as they well should And so goand tell everyone that you can the truth about all of this

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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House Inc New York 1977

An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

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26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Nelson20 11800 901 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (23 of 76)

26723 in reply to 2671

I am trying to find a good online TalmudMishna or Torah to no avail Do you knowwhere I can find something like this

Nelson

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ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMPerhaps Youd Like Lightning Quick Internet Access

From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1241 am

To MABEUS (24 of 76)

26724 in reply to 26720

Hello MABEUS

Yes I will I may be (MAY-B-US) talking with him tonight I know that you have been waiting forthis information for a long while

RP

JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST OUTSTANDING (ahem) I mean good work RP Sendmy regards to MrReuchlin will you

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1245 am

To Nelson20 (25 of 76)

26725 in reply to 26723

Well Nelson

As more and more people start looking into this I am sure that thereWILL be some good online sources available I have not tried to find those online (yet) myself butI will do what I can to help you out and help you to better know what it is that you are indeedlooking for As I said before there are charts and other information that goes with this and I will tryto make those available to you online as well

But as with all things they take some time Keep on looking and keep up the good work

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 1256 am

To ALL (26 of 76)

26726 in reply to 26725

Hello everyone

What Id like to try to do is to write something which focuses upon the Jewish Heroes that areparticular to the Talmud and which had lost their lives andor tortured etc by the Romans trying tokeep them from producing the horrible fraud upon the world and enslaving humankind to hundredsof years of ignorance and war

This may be something that I will work on with the cooperation of Abelard Reuchlin But I feelthat this is something that is so very important that it must be done

Remember these things (1) it was the JEWS not Jesus who died for you sake (2) The Jews werechosen by their own ancient leaders to give this information to the world That IS their only realtrue purpose as Jews whether they realize it yet or not

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

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26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 1248 pm

To Nelson20 (27 of 76)

26727 in reply to 26723

Nelson Danny Eagle and i are doing research and we were wondering where we can find outinformation on Abelard Reuchling Do you have any idea where on the internet we can find this Ihave looked and not found any reference to him Thank You Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 201 pm

To ALL (28 of 76)

26728 in reply to 26726

JEWISH PURPOSE RESTORED

As a Jew your ultimate purpose is to herald to the world what yourancestors were witness to and that was the real and true beginnings ofthe Christian religion Your ancestors fought and lost their lives notonly for your sake but for the sake of all the world You were chosenas the descendants of those brave and selfless sacrificing heroes to doyour duty in their names and in appreciation of their sacrifices as wellas for the same purpose that they had - to deliver to the world the truthof both the real and true history of those times and to expose the truthabout how and why Christianity was created

There is no other true purpose for a Jew in this world except to be whatthe Jews were chosen to be Therefore it is not something that you asa Jew are free to chose to do or not do it is THE duty of all Jews to doand if you do not you are NO JEW

You are called upon now to awake and do your duty as a Jew And it isalso your duty as a Jew to inform other Jews of this as well This youand all other Jews need to know Any Jew who fails to do their part inthe work is truly NO JEW Those who claim to be Jews yet refuse to dotheir duty as Jews are not truly Jews but are instead only mockers ofJews

This must be understood and repeated No Jew is free to create their ownversion of Judaism but instead are bound to continue the work which isoutlined for them in the Talmud and other Jewish texts By these meansyou may know who is truly and Jew and who is NOT a Jew No Jew whoclaims to be a Jew yet refuses to do their duty as a Jew is a Jew Only Jews

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who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

RP

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 28: PISO TALMUD

who fulfill their duty as Jews are truly Jews Only by living your life as aJew and by living the work can you be counted truly as a Jew

Those who claim to be Jews and do not do their duty as Jews are indeedworking AGAINST the work of all Jews and against all that Jews trulyare They shall not be recognized as Jews and they shall forfeit their partof the work as they have indeed refused to do it They shall be set apartand seen for what they are rather than what they should have been Theyare wasted Jews Jews who were Jews of convenience only And sotherefore they are no Jews They are the back-biters and shall be knowas such for all time

As a Jew you were chosen by your own ancient leaders and writers to givethis information to the world The purpose of being a Jew is to fulfill THEone and only purpose of being chosen and that is to herald to the worldthe true beginnings of Christianity and the truth of the history that time soas to honor and restore the glory of your ancestors and their true part inthat history It is not incumbent upon you to finish the work but you arenot free to desist from it So it has been written and so it shall be done

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 11900 208 pm

To Joli-LLS (JOLI10) (29 of 76)

26729 in reply to 26727

Hello Joli

You can look in the past messages here for some information aboutAbelard Reuchlin Go and start way back at the beginning of the posts and work your way up

There is a webpage that was put up on the Net for Reuchlin by his friends but he is not onlineHere is the link

httpmemberstripodcom~ReuchlinA

(If that link does not work let me know)

Reuchlin is still living but is elderly Even so he is entitled tohis privacy and no person should be looking for any personal information about him Suchinformation can only be used for purposesintended to do him harm Please remember that What you are looking for is information about hiswork and the history of his work as well as examples of those Nothing personal And that goes forany of the rest of us who are working on this Please remember that and let others know it as well

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

To Nelson20 (33 of 76)

26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

To ALL (34 of 76)

26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

To ALL (35 of 76)

26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Edited 1222000 93045 PM ET by ROMANPISO

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

To ALADDIN_SANE (39 of 76)

26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

To Nelson20 (40 of 76)

26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

httpwwwangelfirecomwifamtreeJ_cht1jpg

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (43 of 76)

26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (46 of 76)

26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (47 of 76)

26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 1026 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (48 of 76)

26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (50 of 76)

26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

To ALL (52 of 76)

26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

Roman Page

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesushtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

Edited 41901 93230 AM ET by AR281

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Joli-LLS (JOLI10) 11900 856 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (30 of 76)

26730 in reply to 26729

Im sorry thats what i really wanted to know Guess i just didnt say it rightthank you Joli

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111100 111 am

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (31 of 76) 26731 in reply to 2673

TALMUD amp JEWS

At this point in time the year 2000 most Jews do not know what thework is that is their duty to perform Here is what Abelard Reuchlin hasto say about this

This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyond their (the average Jewrsquos)knowledge and imagination

He says

Everything in the Talmud ostensibly relating to Jesus or Christianityinstead was a coded allusion to Piso or his family The Talmud is repletewith such hidden statements many supposedly on other subjects Almostall appear in the Babylonian version of the Talmud many scatteredthrough Sanhedrin and in Gittin particularly pp 56-57 where thedestruction of the Temple is alluded to by strange Inner-Circle accountsAnd many of the most pertinent allusions were deliberately places onpages whose numbers had particular significance in Pisorsquos Greek codes

Now you should ask yourself this If it were not the intention of thoseauthors of the Talmud that you should investigate and learn about thebeginnings of Christianity - why should they have bothered to put so muchabout it in the Talmud Because they thought that you would have senseenough to know how to put two and two together and figure out that notonly were the Jews the witnesses to the creation of Christianity but that

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they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (32 of 76)

26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 30: PISO TALMUD

they were actually fighting the Romans because of that as well

Reuchlin says Only after the reader has absorbed how the Piso wrotethemselves in various codes into their work can one try to absorb whatand why the later Judaean opposition wrote in response to Piso And evenat that Judaeans wrote in Hebrew and Aramaic and in cryptic terms andtherefore deciphering their comments and stories are difficult at best

Very few Jews today study the Talmud and they know almost nothingabout it Even the comparatively few Orthodox Jews who do so knownothing about this subject They neither study the sections dealing withearly Christianity nor do they have any desire to do so Many centuriesof sad experience with Christianity make them unwilling to face it directly

Even Jewish scholars today know nothing of Piso They have never heardof him Thus they know nothing of his codes nor that there are talmudiccoded responses to him At most the few who study early Christianity thinkYeshu was spelled that way because is always meant may his name andremembrance be erased and that lsquominrsquo meant an early pupil of Yeshu theNazarite And that is all This entire book (the Talmud) is eons beyondtheir knowledge and imagination

I might add too it is eons beyond their understanding and comprehensionAt least at this point in time Reuchlin continues by sayinghellip

Of the scattered few Jewish scholars who may know something of thesubject their lips are sealed as are those of their far more numerousChristian colleagues who also profess to know nothing Universitypositions and status and the concomitant financial benefits create a bondof secrecy which is unbreakable beyond the confines of academia

It became the purpose of the Talmud as its volumes were graduallywritten to provide for the scattered Jewish communities the way ofthinkinghellip The Talmud writers took (great) pains to insure that theirscholars of future generations would well remember that it was the Pisoswho had destroyed their nation and caused continuing empire-wide hatredagainst them But beyond that it was no longer necessary to continuetracing the identities of the later (Piso) family members and (this is)regardless of whether the responses (were) to Justus Pliny and otherswere written before or after the year 200 CE

In the aftermath of Bar Cochbah in 135 (CE) the least ecumenicalremark against the MINIM was written The Talmud would contain itseveral centuries later But initially it was contained in the prayers ThePisorsquos legions after crushing Bar Cochbahrsquos armies had alsoslaughtered hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and exiledcountless of the survivors The Judaeans had now lost not only theirTemple but also permanently their city and their land The GOLLUS

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or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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From Nelson20 111300 457 pm

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26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

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26733 in reply to 26732

Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

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26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

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26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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26748 in reply to 26747

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesushtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 31: PISO TALMUD

or GALLUT (meaning the dispersion) named after Mr Gallus (ieArrius Piso as one of his alias names) had begun

And therefore the talmudic statement that the great family of BarLeviyonus still exists in Rome to this day (see Ch I App Sec 5) placedduring the time of Rabbi Judah the Prince in the late 100rsquos CE served adouble purpose

(1) Of course it reminded future generations but in code that it was thePisos who had caused their ancestorsrsquo national downfall and scatteringand the continuing religious affliction(2) But it also drew the curtain on further talmudic efforts to deciphersubsequent (Piso) family identities and leadership Talmudic responsesto Piso and to Minuth (Christianity) were continue And centuries laterthe Midrash would add such names as Panger and Justah the Tailor Butbasically the Talmud itself after the year 200 CE was no longerinterested in future (Piso) family members

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26732 in reply to 26731

I have been trying to find a Rabbi who knowsabout the messages in the Talmud but withno success at all All I get are shortreplies like Sorry I dont have a clueA trained rabbinical scholar doesnt have a clueCountless hours in Schul creates a scholarwho doesnt have a clue Oy vey LiterallyOY friggin VEY

It appears that there is a stone wall betweenan outsider and an insider with regard tothe Talmud After visiting quite a few Jewishsites I find they remind me of the Christian sitesThese days it seems that religion has boiled downto feel good instead of scholarship

Perhaps the trend toward feel good has somethingto do with doubts about the validity of thescriptures Evidently very few people actuallyread the books that they say are infallible and

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there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

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26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

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26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Page 32: PISO TALMUD

there have been many assaults on the internalconsistency of the documents even without knowingabout Piso Theory Perhaps the last gasp of Westernreligion will be a know nothing posture Ignoranceis bliss

The problem is more than just revealing who wrotethe New Testament or what the Talmud says about itIt goes back to RIF - Reading Is Fundamental

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111300 520 pm

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Nelson

The Rabbis of today do not know about this Very few Orthodox JewishRabbis knew anything of this after the year 1200 or so After what the Christian crusades did to theJews in those first few crusades the Jewish leadership was left in shambles with few knowledgableleaders surviving

They could no longer write even in inner-circle terms and so that way of thinking was lost forcenturies You will most likely not find any Rabbis today who know about this They have tore-learn it That knowledge must be returned to them as they have not possessed it for severalhundred years now

RP

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

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26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

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26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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What is your opinion of this

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They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 802 am

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26734 in reply to 2673

ANCIENT MEDIEVAL AND MODERN SOURCES

A Josephusrsquo Jewish War and Jewish Antiquities (Loeb Classical Lib)B Dio Cassius Diorsquos Roman History (Loeb Classical Library Edition)C Various volumes of the Talmud

1 Avot 8 Pesachim2 Bava Bathra 9 Sanhedrin3 Bava Kamma 10 Shabbat4 Barachot 11 Sotah5 Gittin 12 Taanit6 Hagigah 13 Yebamot7 Ketubot

Reuchlin says The Talmud is available in some large public librariesincluding English translations It may be ordered through comprehensiveJewish bookstores Caveat the citataions are in code and (are) verydifficult We have attempted to make understandable what is a verydifficult subject

D Citations to the Midrashim

1 Midrash Rabbah to Lamentations2 Midrach Rabbah to Shabbat3 Yalkut Shemoni to Deuteronomy4 Canticles Rabbah

The Midrash was published in the 1800rsquos and was still available toHerford in 1903 Most have not been published recently although theMidrash Rabbah has been published in English by the Jewish PublicationSociety in Philadelphia

E Maimonides Yad Book of Judges RoyaltyF Alon Gedaliah The Jews in their Land in the Talmudic AgeJerusalem 1980 Magnes Press Hebrew Univ Volume 1G Encyclopedia Judaica Keter Publishing House Jerusalem 1972H Herford R Travers Christianity in Talmud and MidrashReference Book Publishers Inc Clifton NJ 1966I Jastrow Marcus A Dictionary of the Targumim the Talmud Bavliand Yerushalmi and the Midrashic Literature The Judaica Press IncNew York 1971J Katz Jacob From Prejudice to Destruction Harvard Univ PressCambridge Mass 1980K Lauterbach Jacob in Jewish Expressions on Jesus Ktav Publishing

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

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26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

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26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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An expertise has to be developed The average person would need tostudy for some time before being able to understand the way in whichthese texts were originally written so as to contain allusions to Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111400 804 am

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26735 in reply to 26734

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED IN ANCIENT TEXTS

1 ALEPH AYIN and YOD could interchange2 AYIN and PEH could interchange3 VAV was the consonant v It could also be the vowels oh or oo4 YOD was the consonant y It could also be the vowel ee5 VAV and YOD could interchange6 SHIN and SIN are the same letter depending only on where the dotis placed Therefore they could interchange as well

There are other sections of this chart but the way that they were laid out would not stay as typedwhen posted to the forum What I think I will try to do is to scan the whole chart and have thatavailable as an image

RP

UPDATE Here is where you can find this chart as a graphic image

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I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

RP

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (41 of 76)

26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

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26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

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From Nelson20 111600 1120 pm

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26739 in reply to 26736

I thought you said that alreadyCiao Please stay away ok

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 111700 608 am

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26740 in reply to 26739

Nelson

That great genious that apparently has learned a new word has had his bright messages deleted andis now gagged in this forum How wonderful that such people are able to express an opinion butfall short of explaining anything about how they arrive at their conclusions It bears repeating thatthis forum is not here to be a place for people to merely submit their opinions at random It is forpersons who can actually think and who want to learn more about this particular subject

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (49 of 76)

26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

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26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

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26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

Cheers

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

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26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

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AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

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Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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From Nelson20 111700 347 pm

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26741 in reply to 26740

Thanks Roman That limited vocabularywas a bore

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12300 235 am

To ALL (42 of 76)

26742 in reply to 26739

Hello All

Sorry for the long wait on this particular chart But here it is now

This is the chart that shows how Hebrew letters interchanged and therefore made it possible for theauthors of the Talmud to include allusions to the Pisos and their writings Just another part of theoverall puzzle - this time from the Jewish side

HOW HEBREW LETTERS INTERCHANGED

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From IRUSSELL 12400 1255 pm

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26743 in reply to 26742

RP I just get an image that says Image hosted by Angelfire when I click on the link

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

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26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

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26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12400 234 pm

To IRUSSELL (44 of 76)

26744 in reply to 26743

Hello IRUSSELL

It could be that you tried during a time when the site traffic was high or when the Internet itself wasvery busy or when your own particular ISP server was too busy I just clicked on the link myselfand it works I tried it out just after I had posted the link also and it worked then Try it again Dontcopy and paste the link and dont retype it yourself just click on the link If you try to do it anyother way you run the risk of contaminating the exact URL link

There are any number of reasons why that was not showing up for youbut rest assured that the link is indeed correct and working

RP

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 239 am

To IRUSSELL (45 of 76)

26745 in reply to 26743

I had the same problem

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12500 730 am

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26746 in reply to 26745

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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26747 in reply to 26746

These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

To thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) (51 of 76)

26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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Hello thebarbara

If you have any ideas about how we may solve this problem please let me know I can clickthrough alright and I think that if you will just keep trying that you will get to see the image If Icould post the image here I would The best I can hope to do is to put the image in a file and linkto it from here as far as I am aware of

That is just the sort of problems that I have been talking about though regarding charts such as thisThey are really difficult to scan and they do not always come out very clear and then people cantalways make the links work Ugh

I saw this image though and it was rather clear and easy to see So I do hope that you will get toview it soon Again please let us know whenif you do Thank you

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12500 1052 am

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These sorts of problems do occur when using freebie webpage hosts There are limitations to theircapacity

I do have a solution for you I have space on my server available to create a mirror site All youneed to do is e-mail me the articles and images and I will upload them for you to the mirror site ornew site that I will create

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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26749 in reply to 26748

RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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26750 in reply to 26748

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesushtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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Hello thebarbara

I can do that and it sounds like a very good idea However it willtake me some time as I will need to gather those up and zip them etc And it happens (as youmust know) that I am entirely too busy at the moment I always hope that I will gain some groundon all thatI am doing and need to do

It is just awful that you cannot get to those items which are online as if you could then you couldjust copy and paste them to your ownwordprocessor and save them as files on your own computer That way you could upload them andput them on your own website at your leisure Or copy and paste them right into your website asyou edit

I will see what I can do Maybe the answer is for ME to make a mirror site so that if one URL isdifficult to get atinto there will be another that may be better In whatever case you are still freetouse what material is available to you here to use on your website

RP

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From IRUSSELL 12600 1039 am

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RP Maybe you can just put the image onto the Roman Piso homepage somewhere

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From thebarbara (CLOONEYFANS) 12700 454 am

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The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offering youspace on my server to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation they should be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site Whenyou use free services on the web you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them andprofit from them What if Prospero Technologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for anewer technology The information contained here is too valuable to risk

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

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26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

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26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 12700 432 pm

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26751 in reply to 26750

thebarbara

Your message was about

The problem is with those freebie sites which have too many users to be reliable I am offeringyou space on myserver to serve as a mirror site and to give the Piso Project a better image

Yes I agree Ultimately the plan is to change over to a com site of our own The problem has beenthat this has NOT been a money-making effort on our part I and others who have been working onthis online have been doing so at a loss for over 5 years and that simply cannot continue if we wishto get this information out to everyone There are a few people such as yourself who have offeredto produce their own Piso Project site and that is fine and will help a lot That is mostappreciated by all Piso researchers You are also right about image Next===

Also I wouldnt bank on the reliability of Delphi either So if there are posts here with valuedinformation theyshould be backed up andor uploaded to be seen as part of your mirror site When you use freeservices on theweb you are at the whim and discretion of those who run them and profit from them What ifProsperoTechnologies (Delphi) decides to abandon their forums for a newer technology The informationcontained here istoo valuable to risk

Again I would not argue with that I tell you what if you or anyone else here would like toproduce their own website on the Piso Project send me an email message with your mailing addressand I will send you files on disk so that you can do that using those files (nocost to you) This will give you lots of valuable information to useat your discretion This has been an idea of mine for a while but Ihave been so busy that I really could not start on it But now I will just do that You will be able toread through and select what files you would like to use display them in your own site as youwould like etc

Doing this I think will prompt many others to make their own Piso Project websites What do youthink You can send a message to me via the Delphi profile box

Cheers

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

To ALL (53 of 76) 26753 in reply to 26750

PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (54 of 76)

26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

httpwwwangelfirecommttalmudjesusnarrhtml

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

Roman Page

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

To ALL (60 of 76)

26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 121500 241 pm

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26752 in reply to 26731

Hello

Regarding the Pisos in the Talmud

More and more about this will be coming out As I had said before it is my hope that we can getJewish writers to do some research in this area and write articles about it as well as to eithermention this innew books or write books about this We regular Piso researchers will continue to supply whatinformation that we can and this should help to bring this to the attention of those who can make adifference

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 718 am

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PLINY THE YOUNGER IN THE TALMUD(01012001)

Quoting Abelard Reuchlin The Talmud speaks of a certain man (ISH PLONEE) as MAMZERwhich supposedly meant one of illegitimate birth (ie a bastard) Ref Herford pg 4 Midrash YebIV 13 YebGemara 49b

Reuchlin says that PLONEE is found to be used all through the Talmud and that it is used tomean a certain man or unnamed man like a John Doe And that PLONEE is actually areference or variant name of Pliny the Younger He also says that he has found no instance of anyPiso family member being accused of or charged by the Talmudists with any sexual aberrations -other than Pliny the Younger

He claims to have found that Pliny while serving as governor in Egypt about the year 105 CE wasaccused and charged with sexual malfeasance with a young boy And that as the charge wasproven he was sentenced to exile (imprisonment) for several years on an island Since Pliny playedPaul in the New Testament epistles then it seems likely that he may have written some of those

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) 1201 408 pm

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26754 in reply to 26753

What is your opinion of this

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 1201 923 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (55 of 76)

26755 in reply to 26754

They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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while in captivity on that island

It is really quite amazing that with all of the friends and relatives that Pliny had in high places ofpower that he could have been convicted of any crime and most especially one such as this - evenif he did do it Which makes me think that the boy must not have been just ANY boy - but a royalfamily member If you know anything about this subject as I do you will know that these peoplehad very little to no consideration for the common person But they were passionate about theirown family Neither the emperor Trajan nor Arrius Piso and his relatives did anything to helpPliny out of the situation apparently when they could have done so very easily Perhaps the boyeven died as a result This is something to think about

Another interesting piece of information that Reuchlin supplies is that apparently Pliny when he ischarged with these sexual acts with this young boy attempted to justify himself by claiming to be awidower The way the Talmud refers to Pliny as a widower is in this rhyming way PLONEEALMONI (pronounced PLOY-NEE AL-MOY-NEE) In the Talmud on the surface it appearsto only have the meaning a certain man who is a widower But that certain man is Pliny(Ploy-nee)

Two of the talmudic insertions of the wordname PLONEE were secretly very gross towardsPliny according to Reuchlin He says that one instance appears where it is supposedly theunnamed YESHU who is charged with being a MAMZER (bastard) Which by the way couldbe a reference to Suetoniusrsquo mention of Gaius Pisorsquos wife having been lsquotakenrsquo by Caligula Anapparent reference to Arrius Piso aspossibly being a son of Caligula rather than son of Gaius Piso Ref Herford pg 43 Yeb Gemara49b

But as Reuchlin points out the talmudic language there is actually ISH PLONEE MAMZER andtherefore it is actually PLINY who is being referred to The talmudists were producing instanceswhere what they were writing could have several meanings just as the Pisos themselves did And itis up to the extremely well informed and the very wise to be able to find and define them

Reuchlin says The second (instance) appears in Sanhedrin where it speaks of PLONEERrsquoVOrsquoOH LONOSOH where it supposedly is referring to a certain man who charges another withhaving sodomized him [Ref San 9b] Reuchlin says that the verse is really charging Pliny withhaving fornicated with his donkey And that this is so because ONUS in Greek was lsquodonkeyrsquoand that the suffix of OH (meaning his in Hebrew) was added [ Also note that A and O inthe royal language were interchangeable And so ONUS can also be seen as ANUS] This wasdone to produce an allusion to YESHU (as Jesus and therefore to Piso) This is so Reuchlin statesbecause of the donkeys of Balaam and of Jesus The result is that the statement is reallymockingly charging Pliny with having fornicated with Arrius Piso [See the Roman Orgy joke inthe New Testament]

To paraphrase Reuchlin it in the Hebrew (Jewish) version of the book Ruth (written about110-115 CE) that we can see Pliny the Younger inserted as Pliny the Widower It appears thatafter about the years 105 CE certain key members of the Piso family began to detest Pliny (thoughsomehow he regained favor with Trajan at least - it appears) This is obvious says Reuchlin for thefact that the family allowed the Jews to retain its remarks and allusions to and about Pliny in thebook of Ruth And the Piso descendants also allowed the talmudists in the succeeding centuries to

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allude to Pliny with the same wordname PLONEE

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They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

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26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

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Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

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26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

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Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

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From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

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Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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There is an online Torah at

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

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26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

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26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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They are confused because they are looking at this from without while we are looking at it fromwithin The only way to see the truth in all of this is to be aware of the basics of what we are reallydealing with here

There are many people who can think many things but if they do not know how to think aboutthese things in the correct terms they will never truly understand it They will go around in circlesThat is the way that this was made

Occasionally by accident more than anything else they will stumble upon something that iscorrect But they will never see the whole picture until they can view it from the inside out Theyremain looking at this from without and they are in a state of amazement and wonder because ofhow it baffles them This is second nature to us old hat if you will But still because there is somuch of it it nonetheless is time-consuming work

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26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

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Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

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Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41701 442 pm

To IRUSSELL (56 of 76)

26756 in reply to 26749

Hello IRUSSELL

I wanted to say to you that I had not received your email message yet and I hope that you will besending me one to my profile email address (here) For some reason it appeared that the oldnewsgroups area was down and so I could not get email there

Also I wanted to post a message here in this thread to remind people of the evidence that has beenfound in the Talmud regarding the Pisos Some people have missed this information

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 41701 454 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (57 of 76)

26757 in reply to 26756

Hi RP

Message sent - hopefully you should get it at one of your addresses

CheersIRussell

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (58 of 76)

26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

To ALL (59 of 76)

26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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From AR281 41901 229 pm

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26760 in reply to 26714

gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

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26768 in reply to 26723

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

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I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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From AR281 41901 201 pm

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26758 in reply to 26710

Regarding Ari what about Aru I am speaking specifically of LazARUs (who seems to bedifferent people depending upon which gospel one reads) Laz-ARiUs Does the Jesus raisingLazarus tale have any special significance to the Pisos

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From AR281 41901 224 pm

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26759 in reply to 26711

gtgtSee information about Ben Pantera as meaning son of motherltlt

Thats interesting that ben-pandira could be translated Son of mother since in Aramaic son of awoman is supposed to be an insult like our son of a bitch Joshua ben-Pandira Jesus the Son ofa bitch = Arrius Piso Pandira was supposedly a Roman soldier Dont tell me--a Roman generalright Just like Arrius Piso

gtgtAnd Jesus died at 33 like Alexander the Great did Alexander the Great being an ancestor ofArrius Pisoltlt

Thats also highly interesting since according to archaeologist John Romer the face used for JesusChrist IS Alexanders

gtgtThe true (and) original derivation for YESHU - a reason secondary to its being a seemingshortened version of IESOUS - was because ittotaled in Hebrew regular numbering 316 That is YOD was 10 SHINwas 300 and VOV was 6ltlt

Alexanders face was also used for that of Helios before it was then used for Jesus and Helios inGreek adds up to 318 Close enough Both 318 and 316 were once calculated as pi before it wasrefined to 314159 etc Pi = Piso The symbolism behind it may be that pi is the ratio of thediameter of a circle to its circumference Suppose the Jews were seen as a closed circle--like anextended family Pi then would bisect that circle Were the Pisos then representing themselves as piin the sense of dividing this family of turning the Jews against one another Ill bet it is

In Pythagoreanism a circle with a circumference of 1000 (unity) will have diameter of 318(Helios) Similar to the sun (which is Helios) traversing the circle of the sky dividing it Soperhaps Arius Piso represented himself as the sun (son) Leo was at one time the height of summerso the lion was the sun as well And Revelations allusion to 666 in that sense is interesting becausethat number is the totality of the magic square of the sun

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

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AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

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26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

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gtgtAnother term the Talmud created to secretly allude to Piso was OVED COCHOVIM astars-worshipper Like MINOS and GOY OVED toototaled 19 OVED was AYIN (7) plus VOV (6) plus VET (2) plusDALET (4) But additionally the other word COCHOVIM totaledanother 17 KAF (2) plus VOV (6) plus KAF (2) plus VET (2) plusYUD (1) plus MEM (4) And that made a total of the two words 36which was Josephus in Greekltlt

Heres another interesting one for you If you add up all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666 Nodoubt about it Josephus is making himself the sun Jesus is also representative of the sun--the lightof the world To worship either the sun or the son is to worship Josephus

In Ezekiel god warns Ezekiel not to worship the sun Is it possible that this was a latterinterpolation added in by Jewish scholars trying to warn people about Arrius Piso

Edited 41901 93311 AM ET by AR281

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As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

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Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

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26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

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26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

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To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

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To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 410 pm

To AR281 (61 of 76)

26761 in reply to 26758

AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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AR281

As Abelard Reuchlin would probably point out the authors were weaving into the story everypossible bit of extra information about themselves their family and relatives as well as theirancestry

The tale of Lazarus being raised from the dead is the retelling of an ancient Egyptian tale about adead Pharaoh who stinketh (because he is dead and rotting) This was a hint at their ancestry beingfrom Adam who in reality was really a Pharaoh

As for other details regarding Lazarus you might want to ask Abelard Reuchlin - or just wait forhis new books on the subject I have a lot of information about all of this that I have not seen inyears because that exist in the form of notes that were put away in boxes

I try to get to those from time to time so that I can share some of that information here in this forumand elsewhere around the Net As well as to use in order to write articles and books It never hurtsto ask so keep asking questions

Abelard Reuchlins mailing address is

Abelard ReuchlinPO Box 5652 Kent WA 98064

Please include a SASE for a reply

RP

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To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Nelson20 41901 434 pm

To AR281 (62 of 76)

26762 in reply to 26759

Totally awesome The identification of Jesus with Alexander is no accident It must be recalledthat Julius Caesar the object of Piso ridicule was envious of Alexander Caesar is quoted byPlutarch as having said at the age of 33 that he was dismayed that he had not accomplished nearlyas much as Alexander at that same age We suspect that the Romans were bent on doing whatAlexander had failed to do - conquering India The Pisos were dead center on the route to Indiathat Alexander had traveled And they (Pontus) were conquered as a stepping stone to India Thereason that Rome never got their troops anywhere near India has a lot to do with the work of thePisos

Nelson

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) 41901 441 pm

To Nelson20 (63 of 76)

26763 in reply to 26762

Nelson

I just thought that I would mention that Reuchlin says that Plutarch was really Arrius Piso I hadthought that Plutarch was really written by Trajan And if you saw the evidence that we each havefor making our case you would know why we each came to our respective conclusions

Yes that is the truth Reuchlin and I do not always agree on every part of this but what we do ispresent our findings to each other and examine them for the case that each makes and the one thatis more compelling is the one that must be true We examine what we do in as much detail aspossible using every bit of fact that we can find relating to each instance

I think that Reuchlin won out on the issue of Plutarch being Arrius Piso But more information cancome to light and change that

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From IRUSSELL 42001 116 pm

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (64 of 76)

26764 in reply to 26761

Hi

Lets not forget that supposedly in the Secret Gospel of Mark this event was depicted as some sortof initiation ceremony not a literal raising-from-the-dead Im not sure how that fits into thepicture or which version is considered more genuine

IRussell

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From AR281 42001 209 pm

To IRUSSELL (65 of 76)

26765 in reply to 26764

From what Ive heard many believed that the excised passage was describing a sex magic act ofthe homosexual variety Many men were engaging in this and using that passage as theirjustification so Clement had it removed When you reinsert it into where it was supposedly takenit DOES fit in rather well

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From IRUSSELL 42001 222 pm

To AR281 (66 of 76)

26766 in reply to 26765

Yes like so many things its open to speculation Who knows

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 342 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (67 of 76)

26767 in reply to 26718

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

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httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-28 348 am

To Nelson20 (68 of 76)

26768 in reply to 26723

There is an online Torah at

httpbibleortorgintro1asplang=1

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Jun-29 808 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (69 of 76)

26769 in reply to 26767

Barb you said

I wonder if you could post Rashis commentaries on the Pisos===

That would be great Barb However that is Reuchlins area It is a part of what he is writing aboutand will be in the work that he will make available Though he wants this information available toeveryone he does not want it put out until he has completed his work on the subject

Though I have shared some information with those of you in this forum to give you a preview ofwhat is to come in terms of his current work I have been asked by Reuchlin to stop doing this Hewishes to be the ultimate editor of his own work and conclusions and I agree that he should be Hedoes not want to have any of his work put out prematurely or before he has made certain of all ofthe facts involved and of his own conclusions regarding statements

So though I do understand how much you would like to see more of the proof and evidencesupplied by the wise Jewish commentators and chroniclers I must respect Reuchlins wishes andnot post anymore of his work unless he specifically says that I can He has already asked that I notpost anymore online about his work with the Jewish texts

Again I agree I think that he has done a massive amount of work in the area and that he reallydoes need to make certain that he has everything as he wishes it to be before it is put before thepublic

I know that you understand Barb

Roman

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

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26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Jun-29 1007 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (70 of 76)

26770 in reply to 26769

I was in the process of taking the information on The Pisos in the Talmud and putting them informat that could be read in Adobe Acrobat so it can be read and printed offline as well I thoughtthat Rashis commentaries would make clear this most important subject

If we have to wait for it then that is what we must do but I must tell you that I cant make anyheadway with the Jewish community without a complete reference to the Pisos in the TalmudReuchlin must also know that there have been commentators (Tosafists) whose entire focus isbased on the commentaries that Rashi made So in order to prove Piso awareness in the TalmudRashis references are an absolute necessity

Edited 62901 51353 AM ET by CLOONEYFANS

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 435 am

To ALL (71 of 76)

26771 in reply to 26767

Recently someone has brought up this issue and I feel that we all could use a refresher on this andso here is the thread on the Pisos in the Talmud

It may be wise to make yourself a copy (with copy amp paste) or a printout copy of the moreimportant information in this thread And be sure to let others know about this in other forums

Thanks

Roman

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 442 am

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (72 of 76)

26772 in reply to 26770

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid of making any little mistake and so does not want to let anything outuntil it is just perfect according to his own standards

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going to comeout in a relatively short time I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has alot to offer when it comes to the commentaries of Rashi

RP

PS I meant to say to you that I was happy to see that you realized just how important thesecommentaries are to our research and in confirming our findings to be true and valid

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-6 611 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (73 of 76)

26773 in reply to 26772

Yes I agree I do keep after Reuchlin but he is such a perfectionist when it comes to what hewrites that he is so afraid ofmaking any little mistake and so does not want to let anything out until it is just perfectaccording to his own standards

I really do understand this need to be perfect when dealing with Talmudic issues since all isinter-related In order to verify something in the Talmud one must make a complete Talmudicargument and it must show consistency Nobody appreciates this kind of work more than I and I doknow that this will be the breakthrough that we have long waited for

In fact I regularly prod him into making sure that at least some of the information is going tocome out in a relatively shorttime I will keep on asking him to work on this and make sure that he has a lot to offer when itcomes to the commentaries ofRashi

Really Im glad you realize that I have been waiting for this in order to validate all that you havesaid about the alias names and the fabrication of history This work is the most important of all ofhis research as it will open some doors and change the nature of how we look at the Talmudforever Maybe this wont mean anything to the crazed Christian believers but it certainly will bethe Rosetta Stone for us Jews who have always known how lies can kill people

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-6 108 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (74 of 76)

26774 in reply to 26773

thebarbarian I had sent you a couple of email messages a few days ago However they werereturned to me saying that they were not deliverable They had went to the email address given inyour profile on Delphi (that was a junocom email address) I know that you have a Yahoo emailaddress but I lost that one

As for Reuchlins work I know that as he goes on in his work and re-checks things he is bound tostumble upon even more things of merit and value Which is what we researchers find regularly aswe go on to confirm and re-check our work As we find these new things we realize how valuableeach and every part of this is and we cannot just ignore them and go on so what happens is that wefind out our task is actually growing as we try to pin down what we have already found and workto confirm that

So as a fellow researcher I understand completely just what he faces in putting together this greatwork of his I think that if it can be done I would rather have a larger and more complete workthan one that is put out faster At the same time though I do realize how the element of time iscritical to us all as we do not live forever and even when this does come out it will take some timeto get out before the public and to be seen as it should be

RP

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From thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) Nov-23 707 am

To Roman Page (ROMANPISO) (75 of 76)

26775 in reply to 26772

I thought I should let you know that a friend might be joining this discussion from the NegevDesert in Israel He is well versed in Talmud and is very interested based on the information I havesent him

I do hope we can give him some sort of information to sink his teeth into

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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From Roman Page (ROMANPISO) Nov-23 543 pm

To thebarbarian (CLOONEYFANS) (76 of 76)

26776 in reply to 26775

Okay that sounds good

I will do what I can and for those things that I may not be able to answer directly I may be able tocall upon Abelard Reuchlin to assist But I think that if he really gets into what we have alreadysupplied here in the forum that he can go from there I hope that he will be able to supply us witheven more information based upon his own studies

Cheers

RP

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