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Talk 48 Discussion Session – Dr. Rajan Sankaran 1

TALK : 48 DISCUSSION SESSION answers by Dr. Rajan SankaranAbout Vital Quest by Dr. Paresh Vasani

Hello and welcome. Today is our last Discussion session on WWR. And I thought itis best that we discuss some common questions that address issues from theentire program so far. So we will start with the questions and I will do as many aswe can:

Munjal, you asked:Q: Your insight about Sensation & Reaction is like a 'first truth' for thehomeopathic community. Would you please share the journey of experiences,intuitive flashes etc. while you arrived at this truth?

A: Well I have shared this earlier in my talks and I will happily condense it here.I started my study in Homoeopathy with the repertory since my father was veryvery good at it and then with the Materia medica and the study of Organon andPhilosophy and so forth. And then I found that there are so many types of waysone could practice Homoeopathy. Some people use Key notes, some people useRepertory, some people use other things. And what was important was I foundthat there was a kind of unpredictability or confusion and there was not muchcertainty, at least for me. And in my effort to find a consistent method, I started asmall study group with my colleague Dr. Jayesh Shah and Studying cases ofsuccess and failure we found that those cases where the remedies- symptoms,general symptoms, mentals matched the patient, they had the highest chance ofsuccess.

And I tried to understand why? And this is of course, well-known in Homoeopathythat Mentals and Generals are very high in evaluation. And whenI tried to understand why the answer became simple that disease is a holisticdisturbance, and therefore they first manifest in the mind and generalities.


In the generalities and then only it goes to the local. This was an intuitive flashyou might say.

I remember the very day it happened. I was not very far from where I am sittinghere. Right now in my car driving. And as the car took a turn, it came to my mind,this sentence ‘Potentised remedies have dynamic effect only.’ Which everybodyknows. But it flashed into me. I understood it for the first time that a remedydynamized and potentised cannot have a local effect. It doesn’t have a materialsubstance that can go and affect an organ system. It can only affect the whole andthat’s the whole idea of Homoeopathy. It’s holistic. ‘Disease is an affection of thewhole. It’s a dynamic affection, not an affection of the parts.’ And therefore asymptom anywhere may be a dream, may be a mind state, may be a craving is asmuch part of the symptom totality as any other.

The next point was the importance to the mind state. What is here important isthe word mind state and not mind symptom. So I understood that a mindsymptom is only an expression of an overall mind state and taking it further, Iunderstood that the totality of the mind state itself is an expression of a specificperception which I call Delusion; that lead to the study of remedies and theirdelusions, and people and the delusions. That took it one level deeper and thenanother flash occurred when a student asked me a question, ‘Why do people whoneed snake remedies, dream of snakes?

This was a very important stop for me because it’s such an obvious question, withno obvious answer. I thought about it 6 months. This question went on in mymind. I didn’t have an answer. And suddenly it occurred to me that patients whoneed snake remedies have dreams of snakes because they have the spirit of thesnakes within them and that’s why we get such exact pictures. It is sounbelievable I tell you.


3 -4 days ago I had a patient, a girl who had panic attacks. And when I asked her‘describe the panic attacks. She described to me a feeling of being confused, lostand alienated as if suddenly she experiences herself in a very strange situationand it’s a crisis and she doesn’t know how to come out of this. Her remedy wasNux moschata. It is a typhoid miasm in the family Magnolia whose main symptomis to be lost, bewildered, confused, strange, suddenly shocked.

But what is interesting about their case was that every single thing, shementioned, she mentioned the buzzing in the head. She mentioned the mistakesthat she makes during speaking and confused it with wrong word. She described afloating dreamy state. She described the symptom that when she sees blood, shefaints. It was unbelievable! How could she describe symptom by symptom fromthe book?

So I came to understood that she does not.. is not similar to Nux moschata butactually Nux moschata lives in her in spirit. Then I understood, disease as we call itis the spirit of something else that is speaking from within us and then theclassification came either it is an Animal spirit, a Plant spirit or a Mineral spirit andis there a difference between the three of them. And once this idea flashed andthen I started doing research and I had a huge practice at that time as you verywell know that before you start practicing Sensation method, you usually have ahuge practice. You know that I guess by now. And then it drops … just joking.

Anyway I had a huge practice at that time and then I started looking at mysuccessful cases and its true Mineral patients had items to do with my structure,lost or with feeling of lacking. An Animal patient had to do with competition andPlants with sensitivity. This became so clear. And when you study these remedies,it becomes more clear. An Ignatia, a Pulsatilla is very very sensitive, a Lachesis andApis is very competitive and a Calcarea and a Natrum are have to do withdependence and relationships. It’s so obvious after you know it becomes soobvious. That’s how it started.


And then the idea of miasms came in and then the Plant kingdom and then thefamilies.

I remember this was a very interesting period in my life. Must be about 2001 orsomething like this. I was in a place in USA called Asalen, I was giving a seminarand just before that seminar I came to the idea of Plant families and that eachfamily had a specific sensation and that each remedy in the family belonged to adifferent miasm. This idea just occurred to me. Before I went to ASASLEN, Iremember I was there, this was a beautiful place. It was on the Pacific ocean, on acliff, a very isolated place, miles from nowhere. And I worked there night and daywhile giving the seminar and each family would be studied and understood. It wassuch a revelation and I tell you that what I understood at that time still holds truetoday and still I use it and still a lot of people now use it.

These were some of very very inspiring moments in my life. And then I rememberthat at that point I understood, you have levels, you have Name, Fact, Feeling,then I had studied Delusion and now Sensation. And I asked is this the end? Is thisthe end? Is that We have 5 Levels. I said, ‘No there has to be probably one moreand then I came to the idea of energy that the energy pattern is even deeper thansensation. When the energy pattern level, the 5th level was discovered, the 6thLevel was discovered, a very close friend of mine she asked me, ‘But Rajan what’sthe use of this energy level. It’s no use, no point. Once you know the sensation,You know the remedy, what’s your problem? Why do you want to go any deeper?What’s the big use of this? And I said, ‘I don’t know. A scientist, a researcherdoesn’t ask what’s the use. He asks What is. He wants to know what is. Not Whatis the use of it? Use of it comes later. Just the discovery is the joy.’ And then weunderstood the importance of the energy level because the entire sound, thehand gestures, everything is the energy pattern.

When you focus on the energy pattern, the sensation reveals itself. You have tofind the energy spots in the patient, that was the 6th level and I remember it forinstance going down memory lane huh, nostalgia I would say. I hope I am not


already in an Antimonium crudum state being nostalgic and redundant any way.Just for the moment.

I was giving a seminar in Goa. It was for the Russians and there while I presentedthe 6th Level a participant came up to me and she said, ‘Can’t you make it 7?’ Isaid, ‘Why?’ she said, ‘7 is a good number. I like 7’. She said. I said, ‘Do you?’ Shesaid, ‘Yes look there are 7 days in a week. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.’ And she said, ‘There are 7 notes in musicso if there is 7 notes in music and 7 days in a week, 7 is good’. Somehow the logicappealed to me and I said, ‘Yes 7 is good, no problem’. So after energy patternwhat could there be a 7th level? And this kept me thinking for a long timeobserving. ‘Is there anything even preceding, even deeper than the energypattern and then I said, ‘Yes, there has to be a canvas on which a painting canhappen. If there is a pattern there, there has to be screen.. the movie is energy,the screen has to be blank. It is even pattern-less but still individual and thenagain the colleague asked me, the inquisitive colleague, she said, ‘Ok, energy I canaccept. Now it’s good. But the 7th is totally useless. It’s completely blank. Itdoesn’t even give you a pattern and then with time I discovered that the 7th levelindeed is the most important of all the levels because that’s the level at which thepatient gives the case. That’s the level at which all happens without the screen,where’s the movie?

So each level presented itself, each kingdom presented itself, each miasmpresented itself. Each time I thought could there be another pattern? What aboutthis pattern of crisis? What about this pattern of trying? What about this patternof hectic and suffocation/ what about this pattern about disorder? What disease,infection exactly represents that pattern in nature? Each was a discovery. And Itell you at the end of all this, I hope it’s not the end but at least now we arepausing. I tell you when I look back at all these so called discoveries, I don’tbelieve that I did it at all. I sincerely believe and when I look at all the books that Iwrote, I don’t believe that I couldn’t have written any of them I don’t trust thatme, the individual with this limited capacity can really do anything. But it’s


somehow you have the intention and you allow yourself to become a channel ofinformation then I think the information, the knowledge comes through you. Butyou don’t feel really an ownership to it because it’s not … it’s not what youcreated. It is what is?

Columbus did not create America. He merely lost his way and landed in a place hedidn’t know the maximum we can attribute to Columbus is that he didn’t haveproper directions. That’s it. So things happen, we don’t know why. So I hope alittle bit of this reminiscing of this journey I could share with you the spirit of howthis knowledge came about.

Munjal, you asked:Q: While this correspondence is valid at the Vital Level, have you found that itremains valid even at the local level? Or do you see that the local level followsanother 'law' where the sensations/conditions connect with modalities/reactionsof the patient?

A: Well Munjal, the answer is pretty simple. That at a deeper level, the local andthe general reflect the same energy, there is no difference. It is as if the local is amicrocosm of the whole, which is a macrocosm. As if it is like a hologram where inevery local symptom you will find a glimpse of the pattern of the whole.

Some of our most remarkable cases have been those in which the exploration ofthe local level one got the exact sensation that applied to the whole person. Thisis a jump from level 2 to level 5, from fact to sensation and if this happens in acase then the exact energy pattern or the remedy is revealed. But you can alsocome to that energy pattern from any part of the case. Be it emotion, be itdelusion, be it sensation. And in all these levels you will ultimately find the samepattern.


Catherine you asked:Q: What remedies would be helpful during birth, which is acute, with severaldifferent stages of mother's and child's states? Could you, please, prepare a list ofremedies for birth, so that we could prepare a "birth kit"?

A: Catherine, I have had a very limited experience in treating woman during thelabour process. But with the limited experience I have and a lot of input from mycolleagues, I feel one thing is for sure that the woman who is in the labourprocess, it’s like an acute crisis situation and here the woman’s state is revealed inits full form. The type of pain, her sensitivity to pain, her state of mind, thephysical symptoms, the characteristics are manifestations of her individual state.

A colleague who is now no more, Ananda Zaren from California has workedextensively in cases of labour and documented some of them. Her experience wasthat in the labour process it is the best time to see the remedy of the woman,because there she is at the most uncompensated and clearly expressive of herstate.

As an example I can offer a case where a close friend was undergoing the laborprocess and the whole process had come to a halt and it was not progressing anyfurther. The bag of water was not bursting and my friend and her husbandwanted the delivery to happen naturally, while the gynaecologist wanted toartificially rupture it.

She called me at that point and I asked her what is her experience at that momentand she said that for certain legal reasons she wanted the child to be born beforemidnight on a particular day.

There was a lot of pressure on her that the child should be born at that particulartime or before that particular time and she was extremely disappointed that thiswas not happening.


When I asked her to describe the disappointment. She said that thisdisappointment brought to her a memory and her consciousness a lot of pastunpleasant occurrences where whatever she expected or wanted neverhappened accordingly resulting in a feeling of grief and this grief was usuallyinternalized never expressed. Based on this history, I gave her a single dose ofNatrum Muriaticum 1M and within a few minutes the membranes rupturedspontaneously and she had a completely natural delivery.

This and some other such experiences lead me to the opinion that the labourprocess should be approached from the point of view of individualization, like wewould treat any acute or chronic case.

If we know the remedy of the woman beforehand it is very likely that duringlabour she would manifest that state of that remedy, though in a more acuteform.

After the labour process, after the delivery, if there is a trauma, if there is anepisiotomy or if there is a Caesarean then one can use Arnica and Calendula.

The treatment of pregnant women is done exactly the same way with the idea ofindividualization.

The only exception here in pregnancy is that it can happen sometimes a womanmight have a different state during pregnancy than her normal one. Therefore ina pregnant woman, the case should be reviewed afresh. Local symptoms,emotional symptoms, dreams, cravings and aversions especially which cameduring pregnancy had to be taken into account.

In Talk 46, I have recited a case of a 34 year old woman with Hyperemesisgravidarum to whom I gave Kali-bromatum. You could refer to that case forreference.


Now I have a very very interesting question to answer which is something I hadWhich is something I have probably not covered during the talk at all and I wasreally not willing to but since this question is come, I would like to answer it.

Ross Loraway, you asked this question:Q: That you want tips for the operation of a Homoeopathic clinic especially abusiness where the sensation method is prescribed. You say that this includesadministrative details, lay out of the clinic, charge, staff or anything which youregard as essential or very important.

A: I guess this question will be of interest especially to younger practitioners andstudents and nevertheless I would like to give you some tips about practice. I havenow a practice for 30 years and I dare say it is a successful practice in many ways.So I could give you a few hints about it.

The first thing I do here:Now a days in my practice is I create a home like atmosphere visual. Could wehome like atmosphere. Vishal, could we do one thing, could we just turn aroundthe camera and show this room. This is where I practice. You can have a look. Justsee he will turn it around for you and you will see there’s a couch there and then…. You can see .. there is all set up here. It’s like a living room here. I have twochairs in front of me, a couch on my left. I am sitting here on my chair.

Today, Dr Paresh is here with me. You might have had a brief look at him, he isgoing to talk to you later. Normally my assistant sits here on this chair and thepatients are seated right in front of me. There are 2 chairs right in front of me andthere’s nothing in between me and the patient. There’s just a very small coffeetable here, right down. But it doesn’t block anything. And there’s the patient’schair in front of me and behind the patient I have got a little cupboard and there’sa Buddha sitting in the middle. So this is how it is and this has a double advantage.One is because there is no table in between. I can freely record and observe the


hand gestures of the patient and secondly, it creates a very informal atmosphere(ok turn it back Vishal)

And I think this is a very nice atmosphere to work in, instead of a very formaltable and chair arrangement. So that’s one hint I want to give you that reallyhelped me. Patients take an appointment with me and the way we doappointment system is as follows:

That the patient is allotted about 1½ or 2 hours appointment time with me inadvance and they are told to come to my office and collect the Questionnairebooklet. I found this booklet very useful for many reasons. First of all the patientbecomes familiar with what kind of questions are going to be asked. Secondly, itgives us a sense, how much the patient is committed to taking the treatment,how serious they are. And thirdly, I also charge them my full consultation fees inadvance. The money is taken in advance because that ensures that I don’t wastemy time in case they don’t turn up and usually if they pay in advance, theygenerally either cancel or they turn up. So this is another small hint that I do.

With regard to the charges, I believe in charging very well. My charges are amongthe upper range in Indian circumstances and also in world circumstances. And Ithink it is important to charge well because then you give your best and you say,‘I value what I do’. I think that the service we provide to our patient is unique. Wenot only help them in their symptoms but we help them in their overall health.We help them in their state of mind and the amount of money that they save interms of hospitalization, investigations, reference to Doctors, future healthproblems, work loss is enormous. And I think we should fully realize the value dowhat we do. And if we do that we should charge well. And we should really do thevery best job we can.

One is we need to work with the latest software. We need the latest books andespecially the latest software whatever they are I am not recommending any


particular software at the moment. But you need a latest software with acomputer, repertory, Materia medica and what not.

Secondly, we need to constantly update our information. We need to readjournals, we need to go to seminars, we need to know what is happening and bein touch with the latest.

Thirdly, we need to put full attention and study every case, every rubric, everysymptom in detail. I tell you one thing, there are people who read Repertoiresand there are people who go beyond repertoires. We should go beyondrepertories simply a few symptoms coming together in our repertory shouldnever satisfy us. I had such a fantastic experience last week. I met with acolleague and we were discussing a particular case and he suggested a particularremedy and when he went home within 4 hours.

He had sent me the exact quotations from Allen’s Encyclopedia and Hering’sGuiding symptoms which indicated that remedy word for word. I really appreciatethat. I appreciate that somebody goes and studies from the source books.Similarly, when you study my books, when you study Structure, when you studyPlant – Insight into plants or you study Survival series. It’s important to studythese books in depth and not simply read the summaries or the Schema and cometo superficial conclusions. So we need to do our best and it’s important that thepatient realizes this that they see that you are giving the best .. if you do yourbest. The patient can see that. They can see the amount of faith that you have inyourself. I think this is very very important. The patient will have as much faith inyou as you have in your own self. I often delight in telling the story of MahatmaGandhi. There was an incidence for instance I saw from his life. That I saw fromhis life that I can tell you. When he was in South Africa, he had established a smallcompany called ‘Tolstoy farm’ based on somewhat socialist principles, ideology.

It was an experimental community of people living and working together and itthrew the interest of some journalist. One of the journalist wrote to Gandhi that


he would like to come to the Tolstoy farm and see how it functions. And Gandhiwrote to him, ‘You are most welcome.’ But when you come, do bring a stone withyou as big as what you can carry.’ This journalist was baffled. He said, ‘I am goingto meet this man to see the farm. Why should I take a stone?’ But anywaybecause he had been asked, he took the stone and Gandhi meets him at thedoor..and he says ok you brought the stone and he says, ‘Ok what should I dowith the stone?’ and Gandhi said, ‘Just drop it into that hole over there.’ And hesays, ‘Can you explain?’ He drops the stone and he says, ‘Can you explain?’ andGandhi says to him, ‘Listen. This Tolstoy farm is situated in such a place wherethere is formed a little hole which gets filled up in the rainy season and thenpeople, they find it difficult to cross. So I thought, the best is to fill up this holewith stones. So I calculated that so many stones are needed and if I get 10 visitorsa day and each one brings a stone, then by the time it’s rainy season this hole isgoing to be filled up. That was Gandhi’s calculation. And of course, it worked.

For me this is a lesson in how much faith a man has in himself. This man lead anentire nation to freedom and brought an entire empire down simply because ofthe tremendous faith that he had in himself and this is what shows to yourpatient. When you sit and in front of your patient what he is guessing? What he islooking at? What he is evaluating is how much confidence you have in yourself.And what is confidence? Confidence doesn’t mean that you know everything oryou think you know everything this is not confidence, this is stupidity. Nobodyknows everything. Confidence means that you have the ability to know what youknow, what you don’t know the difference and if you don’t know, you will try tofind out. That you will do your very best and that you believe in what you aredoing. That is confidence and that shows and that is the single most importantfactor in the success of your practice. This is what I believe. The patient picks upon it. The other little hint that I can give you:

For example: If the patient is doing well, no problem. But what if the patient is notdoing well? 6 months have passed, the results are not up to expectations. Whatdo I do? I myself schedule the patient for retaking of the case. I spend again one


and half hour to two hours with him and I can do it as many times as I want. I amnot ashamed to tell him, ‘Listen I don’t think this remedy has worked. We need tosit. We need to do what it takes.’ And if still I am not satisfied, I am very veryhappy to refer this patient to another colleague and take his opinion. This way thepatient may benefit and I will learn too. I am not afraid to say, ‘Listen, this I havetried enough.’ And this only increases the faith of the patient in you because herealizes that you mean the best for him even if it means to tell that I can do it.

The people I had the most respect for in my life especially one Dr. Roheet Mehtato whom this entire WWR is dedicated. He passed away a few months ago at theage of 90 something. This man used to bring his patients to me. He was … whenhe started bringing patients more than 25 years ago, I was at that time in my mid20’s and Roheetbhai, this Doctor elderly senior Doctor was in his late 60’s. So hewas bringing his patients to consult with somebody less than half of his age andhe was absolutely not embarrassed. And he had absolutely no feeling of defiance.He had complete trust in himself. He knew what he was, he knew what hiscapabilities were and he knew he wanted the best for his patients at any cost. Ihad so much respect for him and his patients considered him almost divinity.

Harrison in his text book of Internal medicine, he wrote, ‘No greater responsibilityor obligation can fall to the lot of a human being than to become a Physician. Inthe care of the sick, he needs scientific knowledge, technical skill and humanunderstanding. He who uses these with courage, with wisdom and with humilitywill provide a unique service for his fellowman and will built an enduring edifice ofcharacter within himself. The physician should ask of destiny to know more thanthis. He should be content with no less. If I have this spirit in you then you willbuilt a unique character within yourself and provide unique service for fellowmanand Harrison wrote at the end of this chapter, he said, ‘The secret in the care ofthe patient is the caring for the patient, the empathy that you have with theperson in front of you. That is the secret.’


Also it’s very important that you don’t only say Homoeopathy, Homoeopathy,Homoeopathy. All the time and be fanatic about it. Some Doctors getHomoeopaths get angry .. ‘don’t use that medicine. I told you not to take aspirin. Itold you not to take anti – Hypertensives, how dare you … Things that have noeffect, now you suppressed it. Now you spoilt it. Now you … I don’t say anythinglike this. I understand, I tell the patient , ‘Well listen you did it. It is No problembut this is what happens if you do such a thing. I explain it to them.’ And I tell youif I feel the need allopathy, if they need surgery, if they need a consultation.If they need a diagnosis. They go there, I refer them.

So the patient has even more faith in me because they know I am not fanatic. AlsoI think it’s important in your own practice that you do counselling. I treat families,I treat Grandfathers, Fathers, children, Grandchildren, Great grandchildren.Sometimes 5 generations, 4 generations, 3 generations and these people come tome for all kinds of advice and I sit with them and I talk to them and I listen tothem. Sometimes I reflect to them, sometimes it’s important to hold their hands,that’s it. I think the first thing you do when a patient walks into your practice forthe very first time is just to look at him in silence. Many times silence is veryembarrassing for people. It’s not for me. You can just …. I think before you evenask any questions, it’s just important to look. Just to look who is in front of you, tomake an eye contact, to establish rapport. And the same way is also your care tothe patient is manifest in the way you handle acutes.

A lot of doctors including I must say my own father advised me not to call thepatient yourself. They said you give the remedy and let the patient phone you,don’t phone the patient yourself. I have assistants whose job it is to call thepatient everyday. The acute cases if you have fever my assistant will phone youevery morning or every morning and even till you are better. I want to showclearly I care and I do. This is how I manage my acute cases. I also try to make itconvenient for the patient so that they can send me their follow ups by email.They can send me their Follow ups by telephone. They can send or we can Skype


and talk to them if necessary. And we also have a system by which you cancourier them the medicines from here. I found it generally better to dispensemedicines rather than to prescribe them because it’s convenient for the patientand it’s also surety of the reliability of medicines.

As staff I have a receptionist, I have a person who prepares the medication. I havetwo assistants at the moment. Normally, I worked with one who was Meghna for9 to 10 yrs. But now she has become the Dean of the academy so I have two otherassistants and they handle a lot of sometimes Case taking, sometimes Follow ups,emails, Phone follow ups, acutes, referrals etc etc. and they learn at the sametime. So this is a good apprenticeship for them. Also I think it’s very important tohave patient awareness seminars. What do I mean by them, I mean that fromtime to time, we can call patients together. Those especially the new cases of thelast month or so and explain to them what is homoeopathy? What’s theimportance of dreams? What are we treating? What is the prognosis? And soforth and allow them to share their difficulties. These kind of seminars areintensely helpful. Similarly I think if you set up a website with information in itabout so many things, about FAQ’s or vaccinations, about do and don’ts, abouttimings etc. It makes it easier.

So I guess these are some of the hints that I would like to give to you aboutpractice. I hope this has been useful for you. I just listed it out at random and Ijust narrated it in any order. So I hope you could make some sense out of it anduse it. My father often said, he wrote a book called on ‘How to be a successfulHomoeopathic physician?’ I think this book is included in the book ‘Elements ofHomoeopathy’ which are edited and he wrote in the book. He said that asuccessful Homoeopathic and a successful prescriber are almost two entirelydifferent things. Unfortunately many many times, a successful prescriber is anunsuccessful physician. And the other way around and he wrote about some tipsfrom his practice. I just shared with you some tips from mine, talking of updatingour knowledge and about software. There’s a question from one participant.


Q: How do you use the vital quest in your daily practice?This question comes from Angle Lara.

A: So I can say that I use the Vital quest daily, in my daily work in two ways:One is if the patient writes his history or if I type a history. I can paste it into theVital Quest program. The Vital quest selects all the important sensation wordsthat come out and then it analyses these words into Kingdoms and Miasms.Sometimes I can put only the important sensation words and then see what theanalysis comes to? The second way I can use it or I do use it is with the Referencematerial. That means the Vital quest gives the best Reference material as far asthe sensation method is concerned. Clearly giving the different kingdoms, thequalities of the Kingdoms, the Qualities of each sub kingdom and also thequalities of each of those remedies in those Sub kingdoms in terms of the sourceinformation, the natural information, the provings, the Repertory, the casesetc. So such rare remedies like Birds, Animals which are not found in otherMateria Medica can be found in all their information in the Vital quest. So it reallyis a ready reference material.

So I have here with me my colleague Dr. Paresh Vasani who together both of usdeveloped this Vital Quest program and I have asked him to come here speciallytoday to give us a very short explanation and demonstration of how the VitalQuest can be used in practice. For that he has already included some slides in thePowerPoint which you might need to just go over as he speaks.

(PV - Dr. Paresh Vasani)

PV : Thank you Sir. Hello everybody. I would start with a very small example whichI saw in my practice sometime back. She was a mother of two kids, twins. Both ofthem were 5 years old. The whole family was coming to me for treatment andboth the boys were extremely restless and very mischievous and seeing them inyour consulting room you get extremely worried about every aspect. ‘Oh my glass


items in my clinic. What will happen?’ so I asked her that how do you handle him?How do you take care of both of them?’ she said, ‘It is very simple for me. I justraise my voice and I tell them, keep quite. And they have to obey me otherwisejust one tight slap from me and they sit down.’

So her main problem was recurrent Urinary tract infection with severe pain inlower abdomen and she described her pains as they are just killing me. And theother peculiar aspect about her was her interest and hobbies. And that wasmartial arts. She was a very very good player of martial arts in her life. So when Iasked her more about it, she said, ‘You have to wait in a fight with the opponent.You have to wait, observe them more and then charge at them, finish them off.You just wait for the opportunity and attack them and your attack should be withspeed.’ Now what do we do with such kind of cases? How do we put in ourRepertory? Where do we look in our Materia medica?

These were the difficulties that we faced in our practice. There were manydifficulties we faced in Case-Taking, in analysis or in these kind of cases. Where doI reach, for some information, for this case? With this idea almost 12 years backI approached Dr Rajan. There was one sentence in his book, ‘Substance ofHomoeopathy’ that if you study the system very well you can develop a softwareout of it. That struck me that we need to have a guide, we need to have acompanion in your clinic who can guide you in every step whether it is CaseTaking or whether it is analysis of the case or an information. So let’s go aheadwith the case and I will show you how Vital Quest helped me in this case. I waslooking for some information and obviously I looked into Animal kingdom. Let’slook at the presentation first:

So if you open your PowerPoint and go to the next slide it will show you mainscreen of the Vital Quest and a button with a square box or a rectangle box ‘readReference info’. So when you go into the information about the remedies it takesyou to the information about Animal kingdom and sub kingdoms. There arevarious sub kingdoms given here. So let’s go further to the next slide and will


examine some information about Mammals. So what we do for Vital quest is westudy each Animal, each source, their families, their Sub kingdom, their nature,their behaviour from internet, from books, from various cases, clinical cases andDr Rajan gives very valuable inputs to it and he gives us what could be thesensation of this Animal. So in Vital quest if you see on left side, we have givenvarious blue arrows showing classification, natural history, essential highlights ofthat source, of that Animal. Most important you will say … I can study thisinformation on the internet. But how do you understand the sensation? TheHomoeopathic expressions in patients, how will I understand what is thesensation of Cat, of Dog, of Lion, of Tiger?

So this is a place where it gives you the information and then there are key words.How will you differentiate different remedies? For example: in this case, if youlook at words - killing me, if you look at words – charged, attack. Attack withspeed … all these words help me to go to a source as Cheetah, as a remedy. Nowthe question was:

How do I differentiate Cheetah from other Cats? What are the expressions orwhat are the sensation of Cheetah as the remedy or the source?

So this is where the Vital Quest comes. And it’s not only Cheetah but I can studyany Animal whether it is Goat or a Cow or dog or their family. Lets go to the nextslide. So if you are studying the source as Cheetah , you will see the same thing –the natural information about Cheetah, their behaviour. What are the sensationsof this remedy, what are the key words? And how will I differentiate Cheetahfrom tiger and from Lion and from Leopard. We have also given a lot of video linksbecause sometimes seeing a video or a movie of that behaviour of that Animalgives much more information. Then even reading 20 pages. That gives us sourceor the energy of the source.

Let’s go to the next slide. The same we can learn in Mineral Kingdom also. InMineral kingdom, we have given, you can click on any row or any column of


Periodic table or any element. For example: Let’s look at Niccolum for examplenext slide … and the same thing about Niccolum that what is given in the books.What are the proving excerpts? What is natural information about Niccolum.What are the sensations of Niccolum? What are the cases of Niccolum? Socomplete information about that element is given and this you can read aboutany element in Periodic table….

Next slide ..The same applies to Plants like if I want to study Plants and family or I want to seeand examine the chart and the remedies and the miasms. I can read it here….

Next slide…and you can see the list of Plant families that we have explained there are 31plant families that are given and each family in detail…..

Next slide …Let’s examine Anacardiaceae. You will see what is the sensation of Anacardiaceae.What are the remedies given in Anacradiaceae and you can click on each remedyand read further about it. Whether you want to read about Anacardiaceae orRhus tox anyone. What are the key words? The most important, how do you seethis family in patients. What are the expression of the Plants? If there are somecases or some provings information and very vital differences of different Plantfamilies. And there are other Kingdoms if we go to the next slide. So informationabout miasms, about nosodes like how to perceive different nosodes and how todifferentiate them or various Sarcodes or Imponderabilia. What is the sensationof Sun as a remedyor moon? Or Light or X Ray, all this information is given.

Next slide is, If you want to refresh your concepts like what is Vital sensation?What are Level of experience? About various kingdoms. You can read them here.

Again the information from the books, Materia medica books from all ourpioneers like Boennighausen, or Allen T F, Allen H C, Clarke, Kent, Boger, all Drs


Rajan’s books or various recent provings by Misha Norland or Nancy Herrick or DrTorodo, Dr Jayesh Shah, Dr Sujit Chatterjee. You can open these books, you canread those chapters. Next you can search through these books. If you want tosearch single word or multiple words which we normally see in all the multiplewords which we normally see in all the softwares and searching words throughspecific or specific Kingdom, sub kingdom, source. You can put that in filter and itshows you all the results.

Next slide … suppose if there’s a remedy and I don’t know whether we have aremedy prepared from this or more information. If I want to read then there is afacility when you click on remedy button, it shows you complete information thatwhether you search it on internet or you can search it on the source, that is givento you or you read it in Vital Quest or other source books by pioneers. So from allthe places you get complete information about the remedy….

Next slide …And our study is never complete without clinical cases. So there are clinical cases,cured cases by various authors. So you can read about them and get moreexperience…

Next slide …What are the advantages here we see? From various sources whether you talkabout pioneers or whether you talk about recent provings or clinical cases orinternet where the natural history came in. so from all the sources, theinformation is available at your fingerprints, are easy to use method and the mostimportant aspect is constant updates because information is non stagnant. Youlearn more in more. There are more cases. So constantly Vital quest gets updatedand those information is passed to the others.

So this serves as a tool to be in touch with the method, with the recentdevelopments in the method.


So how do we use this information? Based on this information, we find out whatis the sensation of this source? What are the key words? Let’s go to the next slide.And we have developed a unique Case Taking and Analysis system using thisinformation. So when … how do I solve a case using vital quest? That you can seewith this slide. So in the main screen, there is a box where you type the exacthistory of the patient. Suppose patient says that I have throbbing and splittingheadache. And I cannot move my neck with that. It hinders me in my work.’

You simply type the sentence into that box. You can see with a red arrowautomatically the words which are important which are non-human words, arevery important non human words would get highlighted. So if you just simply typethe patients answer, it will observe important words for you and it will give youthe list of those words.

Now you will say that I do not know Case Taking so well. What do I do?

So we have a Case Taking help there at different steps. You can read that help andit guides you. Go to the next slide… suppose you in the beginning want some help,like what is the entry point of the case? How do I understand what is entry point?Or you are quiet ahead in a case but you are not sure whether this is a sensationor no ?

I am stuck in a case. How do I go ahead?

So all this guide is given to you. When you read this guide, you can understandwhat question do I need to ask? How do I go ahead? Let’s go further. You will say:

But I am not used to typing my whole case.

So what do I do?


We have various flexibilities in using Vital Quest:1) Ideal way is to type the whole answer in the software. Every word that thepatient speaks, it gives you an unprejudiced picture or you can simply type 10 or15 important words of the case. Sensation level words, what you feel? Just putthem inside or sometimes we copy the whole case from a word document andpaste the whole case in the Vital Quest. No doubt, there are advantages anddisadvantages of each way.

Let’s go to the next slide. This is a screen that tells you that I have pasted thewhole case and you can see with red arrow all the words that came up in a case,all the non-human words like busy, running, rejection, isolation, family. So youcan select the words which you feel are very important and click on to analyzeKingdom. And you go further and that will show you the analysis. But before yougo ahead to analysis, there are some warnings. There is some guide available.Next slide … it shows you this guide that have you have reached the sensationlevel. What is the sensation level? How do you go deeper into sensation? Next …then it gives you the highest kingdom possible in the case. Here it will show youthe possibilities that is coming up. Next slide … software is very unintelligent. Anysoftware you take it. But what we want is that software should be able tounderstand what is the experience of the patient? There should be a combinationof mathematical calculation and the speed of the software with our humanintelligence. And our perception of our gestures and energies and this is whathappens in the slide

Where it will list you all the words of the case. If I am thinking of a MineralKingdom then it would ask me, ‘These are the words of Mineral kingdom?’ in thecase, do these words convey you this concept of making, breaking or maintainingthe Structure?

So here you are able to connect the energy, the experience with the words. If youfeel ‘yes’, you go ahead and if you feel no, just discard it.


Next slide….So if you feel ‘Yes, it’s a Mineral case’ then go further in the case. Then thesoftware guide you how do you go to the Sub kingdom. How do you select theright Row of the periodic table? There is a guide available to you.

Next slide…So once you go further, it gives you the highest Row possible. Row 3 or Row 2 orRow 4 and again if you want to see which words, just click on this button, showwordgroup and it shows you words. You compare with the context of the wordsand go ahead. If you don’t agree, you can simply discard.

Next ..And you can see if you click on Row 3, you go further towards the source. So itgives you the highest Kingdom, Sub kingdom and the source. The same applies inAnimal kingdom and a Plant kingdom.

Let’s quickly go through that. So we go to the next slide ….When you click on Animal Kingdom again there is a guide available. It tells youhow to differentiae Kingdoms. When you go further .. next slide.

It gives you … whether it could be Mammals or it could be Reptiles or be Molluscsand each time you can see the words. You can compare the context and next slide

It takes you up to the family or order whether it is Carnivora or Perrisodactyla andyou go further and it gives you Cheetah or Jaguar or Leopard or whatever it is. Soagain Kingdom, Sub kingdom, order and source.

Next slide …When you go to the Plant kingdom, again there is a guide available.


Next slide ..It shows you the highest family possible

Next…It shows you the Plant that is possible in the case. So in all the Kingdoms, this iswhat you can do. Some more aspects ..next slide.. we have information aboutPosology, about follow up of the case. You can read Key words of anyclassification and there are many more features.

Just few words if I would say, it’s more as a guide, as a companion. It’s not as areplacement that yes I would put a case and it would give me the right solution.Whatever is the highest remedy, I should give that … no. but it makes you think. Itdevelops your thinking process. It gives you an insight that yes this could also be apossibility.

Thank you very much. If you need more information, you can visit our website.Thank you.

RS: Thank you Paresh, for that demonstration of Vital Quest. Let’s go to somemore questions.

Isabelle Monford, You asked:I don’t understand proving. We can create an artificial disease. The prover issensitive to the substance. He will have local symptoms and mental. Then whenwe give a remedy for our patient. If he is sensitive, there could be proving withthis, couldn’t there? How long does it lasts? Is it with all dilutions?

This is a very interesting question. If we give a remedy to any person and he candevelop a proving, then can’t a patient who has been given the wrong remedydevelop a proving of it. Now theoretically, it is surely possible. But practically, itsimply doesn’t happen. Or it happens so rarely that it is such an exception. So thequestion is why doesn’t it happen in patients that they develop provings of


remedies that are not indicated. I ponded very long over on this question, andthe answer, the best answer that I can come up with, which of course is also atheory. Is that there is an essential difference between a proving and giving aremedy to a patient. And the difference is this, that a proving happens because ofthe intention to prove..hmm..that’s why it happens.. I remember.. I was a child..I was about may be 4 or 5 years old..

I had a cousin 6 months older to me. And the story goes, that when the adults hadleft the house for some reason and when they returned.

They found that my cousin and me had discovered the secret of sweet pills. Thatwas stocked in an entire cabinet of homoeopathic remedies. Bottles of sweet pillsfrom A-Z of all potencies. And we were busy in opening each drawer, openingeach bottle, emptying the sweet pills in our mouth, and the next bottle, and thenext bottle, we almost done 3 full potencies of remedies from A-Z, before theadults returned. My grandmother and mother nearly collapsed with fright,Because we now would be monsters, proving every remedy in the book. Can youimagine, bad enough to have one remedy state. But nothing happened. We wereas ever. No problem. And this is very common experience. Mothers phone up andthey say ‘O doctor, my child took the entire bottle and swallowed it. Now what’sgoing to happen’.

We say nothing, go home, go to sleep. Nothing will happen. And we know this istrue. So why don’t these children prove the remedies. So I believe that theproving happens out of the intention to experience something new. Therefore theentire system is receptive to that experience, the prover is someone who hasvoluntarily decided to open up his consciousness to a new experience. That’s hisintention. The patient on the other hand, takes a remedy with an intention to healand not to experience a new situation. So if the remedy does not heal, the patientdoes not react to it. The easiest example I could give you the simili is of music.


For example, I personally, I am very fond of classical music , Indian classical music.So when I pass by a bar or whatever that is playing a different kind of music maybe rock, may be pop , may be jazz or whatever. I simply ignore it. It doesn’t evenregister into my system. But if I hear the slightest strain, the simplest note of theclassical music, I have goose flesh. (Sir singing Indian classical music notes..) Loveit. So if I have the intention to listen to music then I am going to be sensitive only,even If I don’t want to listen, I am going to be sensitive to hearing classical musicand insensitive, ignoring any other type. But once I was in Germany, and a dearfriend of mine Mike Kessler invited me to experience rock music . He said ‘Rajan,just come, Let’s go and just open to the experience’.

So I went and into this rock concert and with the crowd and the noise and themusic. I just was open to the experience and I had an experience…andI just wassensitive to it at that moment. I could be with the spirit and experience what washappening. So that’s the proving. A Proving is when you intentionally open to theexperience and then you can experience something that’s different from you andnarrate that experience. I can tell you about that rock concert. I can tell you whatI experienced, which is not me at all in a way. So that experience is called theproving and the patient will have that experience because he does not have thatintention to have an experience. He has only the intention to heal himself and ifhe hears something similar, he will respond, if not he will ignore it .

Erika R AbneyYou asked the questionQ: No matter how I try, patients do not seem to go beyond the delusion level,when I am trying to give them back words that are non-human, the come up withintellectual responses that are useless. So how can I manage to help them to godeeper to the source beyond level 4?

Even when I ask children to do drawings, they say "Oh! I don’t know, what youwant me to do a drawing and tell you a story, that’s silly" or when they draw, they


say things such: This is a tree or you can see it’s a house. I can’t make them gobeyond that, or sometimes they just say, ‘It’s just a drawing, what do I do?"

A: So Erika, I can answer this question in 2 or 3 different ways:1. It’s that, I think it’s important that we should explain to the patients exactly

what we are doing and tell them that it is very important to go into anexperience.Rather than just gives us images. What is it in that situation you experiencefrom within. How does it feel in your body? How does it feel in your chest,head and stomach? How does it feel in your limbs? How does it feel internallywithin you? I know that you experience fear. How does fear feel? It’simportant that I don’t only hear fear, I need to know the experience of fearthat I can help you.

2. So we need to kind of persist calmly with a lot of patience and the kind of pacethat is there.

3. Another technique one can use is meditative techniques. For example: whenthey mention in that image, there’s a non-human specific word. For example:They say, ‘I felt I was falling down.’ So you say, ‘Ok just stay with this image.Stay with this falling. Stay with this experience and just close your eyes andjust experience it. Don’t have to speak it. Don’t have to tell me anything. Justbe with it for sometime. Just stay with it and see what comes upspontaneously. You don’t have to wipe, you don’t have to think. Just be with it.

4. Another way is to make them Doodle. ‘Just make a doodle. Look into it and seewhat happens in the process of looking.’

Now when all these techniques fail, then forget it. Just go on with the case. Justgo to some other angle, some other issues, some other expressions, some othersituation and try to come back to the sensation from there.


If one expression does not go deep then go into the past history and see if there isa crisis situation in the past, in the childhood, in the dream somewhere and youcan come back to enter into the sensation. Try not to push too much. If one way isblocked, use another way. If you just push, push, push, push, push, push, pushagainst resistance, there is a problem. So when I know it’s not going anywhere,I just back off. I take a diversion. I know somewhere else it will come back. May bethere is an easier entry point.

Case taking has to be easy. It should not be torturous for the patient or for theHomoeopath. I believe this very strongly. It should be really easy. In Tamil, theysay, ‘It should be as easy as putting a needle into a banana’ that’s ease with it,with which it should happen.

Now if everything fails then you have always rubrics to rely on, on thecharacteristic symptoms, on the general symptoms, on the cravings, on thethermals, on the sweat. And the remedy that you get from the characteristicsymptoms, you can check if that remedy has the general idea of the Kingdom, ofthe miasm that the patient has. So if the patient has craving for eggs, sweats atnight, and fear of poverty then you check whether the patient’s anxiety is abouthealth, security, about money, about dependence. And then you can think ofCalcarea carb even though he might have not gone into the exact experience ofCalcarea carb.

In children, if they are not able to go into drawings try other things.

Many children may not work with drawings. But there are other avenues. You gointo them through their fantasies, through the sport they play, the computergames they play. And what’s the energy there? Who is their favourite super hero?What is their favourite video game? And from here you can go into their delusionlevel and from the delusion, you can catch the sensation word, the energy words,the miasm words.


The idea of saying all this is simple that once you know your destination, which isto find the sensation or the remedy, if one road is blocked then you take theanother. In every patient there will be at least one door which will open and youhave to find that door. That will be through scanning the case, where is theenergy, hot spot in the case.

Sometimes, I simply scan the case. I don’t do anything. I don’t even go anywhere,where the patient takes me. I just scan where’s it’s like the PET scanning, inmodern medicine you have the PET scanning that locates the Cancer hot spots inthe patient. It’s just a general scan. Sometimes you do it, general scan and seewhich is the easiest way to enter. I find that much easier, much quicker then topush, push, push where the patient doesn’t want to open.

Also if the patient absolutely is incommunicative, it can happen for many reasons,may be he is dull, may be he is reserved, may be he is secretive, whatever. Thentalk to his relatives, talk to his friends, talk to his acquaintances. They will give youthe clues. It’s like a detective if a murder has been committed. There is themurderer. And there are clues. It’s how you can find them by many possiblemeans by looking over and over again.

Christine, you asked a question:Q: I have great difficulties in deciding for one kingdom although I know ittheoretically quite well. In practise I often find the patient on the sensation-levelbut I am not sure about the kingdom. For example, in the Cocculus case in the lasttalk - I was quite sure it was of mineral kingdom.

A: Well, Christine, I am sure this confusion can happen to the best of us. But theway I find my way through it is to ask what is the primary issue for the patienthere. What is the problem that he needs to solve in order to feel ok. Is it aproblem of lacking and losing? Is it a problem of sensitivity or is it a problem ofsurvival? And what is important is patient may use words from Kingdoms but you


will find there is a group of words that he uses, that localizes, that locates,individualizes the Kingdom and the Sub kingdom. So when you talk to the Mineralpatient, it will not only be about lacking and losing but it will be the wholeconglomeration of words. The whole group, the whole constellation of words oflacking, losing, structure, breaking, building, relationships, adapt … capability etc.

In Plants, it will be about sensitivity, reactivity, about getting shocked or scared ofwhat’s going to happen? The hint about Plant I can tell you, it’s the situation. Iearlier talked to you about a case of Nux moschata. Now one student asked me,‘The patient she says she is confused, she is lost, she does not know where to go.Couldn’t it be 3rd Row? Could this not be Alumina? Because in Alumina also wehave confusion that he loses the way and doesn’t know what to do. I want to giveyou a simple hint here.

The difference between the Plant and the Animal kingdom is as follows:..thedifference between the plant and the mineral kingdom is as follows..

In the Mineral kingdom, the patient’s main problem is his lack of ability , is lack ofability to make a choice, to decide, to know what he wants. And that is the causeof confusion because he doesn’t know, he doesn’t have the capability. He doesn’thave the decisiveness whereas in Nux moschata, the feeling is that a situation hascome upon him, suddenly he finds himself in a strange place and how does hereact to this changed circumstance? It’s the same as how does one react to theweather? How does one react to thunderstorm? How does one react to heat orcold or moisture or shock or surprise or injury?

So the main theme of the Plant is you find yourself in a situation, how do youreact? How do you adapt? Suddenly she found herself in a strange place, that’s’ aconfusion. The confusion arises from a changed circumstance. In Alumina, theconfusion arises from his incapability. Do you follow?


Once you understand this, things get a little bit clear and then you see the wholeconstellation of words. I again and again emphasize that in order to know whatKingdom or Sub kingdom it is. You have to see the entire constellation, the entiregroup of characteristic words of that Kingdom or Sub kingdom. Then you know it’sthat. So if it is a Row 4, he will give you all the words of Row 4 then you know it’sMineral and Row 4. A Plant family person cannot give you all the words of Row 4,it’s not possible. He will give you all the words of that Plant family. That’s one waythat I differentiate.

You also asked Christine:Q: I have problems with the miasm. Are there any confirmatory questions todetermine the miasm, if not sure?

A: Again the entire answer is the constellation of words, the group of words.

for e.g if the patient says , his concern is about order and disorder, then you thinkahah… this could be cancer miasm.

But it’s … it may not be. If it is Cancer miasm then the patient not only has orderand a disorder but he also has chaos and he has chaos and control. He has alsothe idea of perfection. He has the idea of stretching himself beyond his limits.

This whole range of words should be there to indicate the Cancer miasm and notjust one word. So if it is acute miasm, you have these words

Acute Miasm- Acute - Danger- Sudden - Fright- Panic - Terror- Reflex - Alarm


In Typhoid miasm- Crisis - Intense short effort- Emergency - Critical position- Sinking - Homesickness- Collapse

In Malaria miasm- Hindered - Intermittent- Obstructed - Harassed- Stuck - Tortured- Periodic - Persecuted- Unfortunate and so forth.

So how do you recognize the miasm only when the patient has an entire group ofwords that describe the miasm and not from one word or the other becauseorder and disorder could also be Mineral kingdom, not only Cancer miasm.

Tight could be Euphorbiaceae, it could be Tubercular miasm.

Excluded could be Liliaceae, it could be also Leprousy miasm.

So how do you know? You know only when the other words are there. It’s thesame as remedies. For example: Thirstless is both Gelsemium and Pulsatilla. Howdo you differentiate? Traditionally, you will differentiate from concomitants.

Pulsatilla will have weeping. Pulsatilla will have changing moods and Pulsatilla willhave whatever and Gelsemium will have shock, bad news fright, trembling,dizziness, drowsiness etc. Similarly, one word doesn’t lead to the conclusion ofone miasm or one kingdom.

But you have to see what is associated with this? What’s the whole group there?


Kushala, you asked:Q: When you move from emotion level to delusion level or sensation level whatquestions do you ask? Because when asked, “How do you see this situation ? Orwhat image comes to your mind/or how do you perceive this situation/or what isyour experience of the situation,” the patient goes back into his story andfeelings.

A: Well, Kushala the answer is as follows:When you hear the story, you have to pick out from the story the words which arenot belonging to the story but belonging to the individual. Those non-humanspecific or energy words that the patient uses and then let the patient focus onlyon that. Then you have to dissociate him from the story and focus only on that,then this works.

Still some patients will have a difficulty in reaching to the depth of the sensation.They will not be able to go there, they are not ready. Again as I told you, if thepatient blocks one door, you go through another window.

So Kushala, this is a technique that one you will have to learn, it’s an art and asI told you these are the hints I can give you about it.

Lanie you asked:Q: In an animal case, must both sides of the victim and aggressor be expressed?Do FIGHT and FLIGHT both need to be expressed?

A: Well the answer is: In the animal cases, they may express the Victim andAggressor or aggressor. But what is important is that the energy pattern of boththe victim and the aggressor will be the same. Both sides need not be expressedbut if both are expressed you will see the same pattern in both of them.


I can give you a very interesting case. I think I might have told you already. It wasa case of a woman who described, she was a case of Lupus. And she describedhow her friend had betrayed her and how the friend had turned into a monsterand what the friend had done was actually choked her, suffocated her, pushedher to a corner and given her a fatal blow or something like this.

So the energy of the aggressor of whom she was the victim was choking, fatalblow, sudden change into a monster, betrayal, suddenly coming up and attackingunexpectedly which was exactly the energy of a Reptile. And later in the casewhen this mild looking woman who was always victim in the initial part of thecase but when I asked her again what is she sensitive to and she talks aboutmovie or an incident or a news where a woman was captured by the enemysoldiers and tied up, choked and snakes were put into different parts of her bodyand I said, ‘What do you experience?’ She says, ‘I experience so much anger. Iwant to jump at these people from behind and catch them, choke them and killthem and attack them.

So what is important is that the patient may express as victim or as aggressor orboth. But the energy that she shows of the aggressor or the victim is absolutelythe same and that is the energy of the Animal.

You also asked Lanie:Q: Can the aggressor side (violence) be completely compensated so that all wesee is the victim? In a remedy like Crotalus cascavella can the instinct for hiding,flight or escape be more prominent than the expression of aggressive violence?

A: Lanie, the answer is in my experience, it is possible that the aggressor side becompensated, be hidden, be not seen at all but usually if you probe enough youwill get the aggressor side also. At first you may only get the victim but when youdig deep you will get the aggressor.

A few days ago, I saw a case where the woman said that her husband abused her,


beat her, her father abused her, ill-treated her. It was very unfortunate thateverybody was doing wrong to her and it was completely victim victim victim, onehour as passed and I saw I actually got into to give her Ignatia because he seemedto be so mild and taking the entire experience. But the violence and theaggression that she expressed as a victim somehow didn’t fit into Ignatia. TheModus operandii of her torture was not Ignatia. And like one hour into the case,she she and I felt like killing my husband many times. I used to get so violentimpulses, I would have killed him and I am so glad that he is dead or somethinglike this.

So if you wait patiently some where the aggressor side will come out because it’sa part of the Animal in any case.

Hetal you asked a question:Q: Dear Sir, Being a human being why is it abnormal to have a human song? Whydo we have to get treated by Lac humanum?

A: Hetal, this is a very interesting question because we say that there is a humansong in us and there is a non-human song. We treat the non-human song.

Now you ask the question:Why do we treat the human song as well in some people like Lac humanum?

A: Hetal, the answer is as follows:That even the human song in us is sub conscious, it’s like our lung. You know ourlung breathes, we get oxygen. But we don’t even know that it exists. It’s so subconscious, so unconscious in a way. Only when there is a problem do weexperience the lung or the heart or whatever. Similarly even though we arehuman, we do not experience the human song consciously. It’s very unconsciousor sub conscious. The human song is the conflict between selfishness andselflessness between our identity as an individual and our identity as a part of agroup; between good and bad; between heaven and hell; between selfishnessand altruism. But most of the times, we live our lives totally unconscious of this


conflict. But when this conflict becomes a problem. It occupies our consciousmind in such a way as to create stress. When we lose our sleep and our healthand our peace of mind with this constant struggle going on, ‘Am I good?’ ‘Am Ibad?’ ‘Am I selfish?’ ‘ Am I selfless? ‘ Am I doing this for myself or for the group?’then the human song itself becomes a source of stress and it needs the remedy tocorrect it.

So even the human song has to be played in the right volume. When the volumeof the song increases, it becomes a problem. We become too human and we needto be a little more normally human. That’s when Lac humanum helps us as aremedy.

These are all the questions that I will be able to take today. But before I say Goodbye, I want to say what a great pleasure it has been to do these talks with youover the past 1 ½ yrs. What a great support you have been to me throughout thistime and without your enthusiasm and your support, we wouldn’t have been ableto do anything and there would have been no motive here. And also a lot ofthanks to the whole team here who have worked so hard to bring this to you.

I have just been the face of these talks, most of the work has been done by theteam with Vishal and with Meghna and with Antonia and with Rishi and so manyother people, with Abhijit. And it’s been such a joy that we worked together forthis for you.

So Good bye, Good wishes and till we meet again.

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