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MDRNKVE@K LDJMZO@ S DKG AESK ZKXRKIFKV 3! 684:

Rnrkk bkposeto`s wkrk padykb obdy! nosk rd`sjreps drk `o e`jaubkb nkrk! nk coaaowe`g drk lus dor`kys

drguik`s. Wk weaa pos bkpo rd`sjreps ds soo` ds wk ndvk nki.

Lubgk. Goob ior`e`g! jou`ska.

Is. Fe`d. D`b! your no`or! vkry freky! E u`bkrsd`b ykskrbdy d` essuk ndb joik up e` kris oc d ie`uk

orbkr rkadt`g o nk prokr rkgdrbe`g Ir. Djmkrid`. Zo E lus wd`kb o freky sor oc kxpade` wnd wds goe`g

o` wen nd! d`b wnd nk essuk wds! so ec nk jour es e`jae`kb o ak us rkjdaa Ir. Djmkrid`! E wd` o bkda

wen nd ds soo` ds possefak. D`b nk essuk! your no`or! es nk kvebk`jk jo`de`kb e` nd prokr wds kvebk`jk

nd ndb fkk` e` pade`ts' ioto` e` aeie`k o kxjaubk nk joaadkrda sourjk kvebk`jk fdjm e` Idrjn. Zo daa oc

nd ndb fkk` fkcork nk jour e` Idrjn! d`b nk jour ndb sdeb! &`o! E'i `o daaowe`g d`y oc nes e`. E'sjovkrkb fy nk joaadkrda sourjk ruak.& d`b your no`or ndb pu e` nk ioto` d`b aeie`k d`b ruakb nd wdy.

Nowkvkr! your no`or ndb daso sdeb! you m`ow! &E iegn daaow d` osk or soikne`g dkrwdrbs fkcork nk

jour.& Zo wnd ndb ndppk`kb e` kris oc nk prokr! your no`or ndb e`bejdkb you beb`' wd` o fk

rkdrgue`g d`y ioto`s e` aeie`k u`akss nkrk wds soik `kw cdjs or adw o jnd`gk e. Zo rdnkr nd` rkdrguk e

)) wnejn wk'rk pkrckjay weaae`g o bo ec your no`or es e`jae`kb o bo soikne`g bekrk` )) nk purposk oc nd

prokr wds wocoab< o`k! fkjdusk nk ruaks rkquerk nd e fk sufiekb o nk jour e` nk cori nd e wouab

ndvk fkk` prksk`kb o nk lury ndb e )) ndb nk ioto` e` aeie`k `o fkk` grd`kb. Zo e's lus cor prkskrve`g

dppkaadk purposks. Rnk onkr essuk! your no`or! wds ec your no`or wds e`jae`kb o daaow d` osk dkrwdrbs!

wk wd`kb o gevk you d sk`sk oc wnd nk kstio`y wouab fk fkcork your no`or o bkda wen nd essuk. Zo

nk ie`uk orbkr wds d aeak jo`cuse`g fkjdusk e sor oc skkikb aemk you ndb`' sufiekb e. E ndb daa fkk`

bkda wen io`ns kdraekr! d`b nd's wny nkrk ndb `o fkk` dbbeto`da frek`g d`b drguik`. Fu wk wd`kb

o idmk surk nd wds jakdr cor nk rkjorb d`b nd ec your no`or wds e`jae`kb o daaow Ir. Djmkrid` o kstcy

o d`y oc nosk essuks! nk es iork nd` weaae`g o joik fdjm! d`b wk wouab fk ndppy o bo nd. Fu wk ndb

u`bkrsoob nd your no`or ndb darkdby kxjaubkb daa oc nd kvebk`jk! wnejn es wny wk beb`' drguk e dgde` d

nk tik wk sufiekb e.

Ir. Xut`di. D`b ec you rkjdaa! your no`or! d nk tik wk sufiekb e! wk e`bejdkb lus nd= nd wk wkrk

pu`g e e` cor nd rkdso`! fkjdusk nk wdy nk adw aooms! wk profdfay ndvk o. Rnd's lus nk wdy E

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purposkb e= E ry o o`ay rkprksk` wnd E m`ow bk`etvkay e aooms aemk wk wkrk supposkb o. Zo d nk tik

nd's djudaay wnd wk sdeb ds wk beb nd.

Is. Fe`d. Uks. E` cdj! Ir. Djmkrid` wds staa o` nk sd`b d nk tik! your no`or! wnk` nd wds sufiekb.

Fu nk essuk fke`g wds! e wds daa kvebk`jk nd your no`or ndb jo`sebkrkb fkcork= ndb ruakb o` fkcork= ndb

bkjebkb o kxjaubk fkcork! d`b nd's wny wk beb`' rkdrguk e! fkjdusk wk u`bkrsoob nkrk wds d bk`etvk

orbkr e` padjk fdrre`g es dbiesseo`. Dgde`! ec your no`or wouab aemk o rkjo`sebkr nd! wk'rk fk iork nd`

ndppy o bo nd.

Lubgk. Wkaa! ak ik sdy nes< nk ioto` e` aeie`k wds 48 pdgks ao`g. Wnd you sufiekb wds nrkk or cour

e`jnks oc pdpkr. Wnk` you kaa ik nd wds daa fkcork ik! E'i d aeak smkptjda. Ec e's lus )) nkrk wds rkckrk`jk

e` nk ioto` e` aeie`k o rkjkeps! d`b `ow nksk drk nk rkjkeps! omdy?

Is. Fe`d. Rnk ioto` ))

Lubgk. E gk nd. Fu e's )) nk rkjkeps nkiskavks wkrk `o e` cro` oc ik! d`b you `kkb o fk vkry jakvkr

dfou wnd you'rk sdye`g wnk` you sdy nd wds daa fkcork ik wnk` you akb nk ioto` e` aeie`k.

Ir. Xd`esn. Uour no`or ))

Is. Fe`d. Uour no`or! e djudaay wds ))

Ir. Xut`di. E wds.

Is. Fe`d. )) e` nd )) nk pade`ts ndb jekb nosk spkjej porto`s oc Ir. Djmkrid`'s kstio`y d`b nk

bojuik`s. E djudaay ndvk e nkrk! ec `kkbkb! d`b jd` sufie e o nk jour )) danougn e's `o e` nk cori o

sufie e )) aekrdaay nk padjks wnkrk e idjnkb up o nd preor ruae`g. Rnk onkr essuk! your no`or! es! dgde`!

nk preor ruae`g wds o`k oc adw! `o o`k oc kvebk`jk. E` onkr worbs! nd `one`g rkadkb o pos)reda e`joik

wds goe`g o joik e`! rkgdrbakss oc spkjejey or bkpn. Zo nkrk idy ndvk fkk` d sidaa diou` oc dbbeto`dakvebk`jk! fu nd's nk idlorey oc wnd wds ddjnkb o pade`ts' ioto` d`b bkjadrdto`s support`g

nkrke`. Daa oc nd kvebk`jk croi Ir. Djmkrid`'s bkposeto`! nk gurks nk rkaekb o`! daa oc nd ndb fkk`

ddjnkb o pade`ts' ioto` e` aeie`k or jekb nkrke`. D`b nk` nkrk wds d sidaakr `be`g oc Ir. Djmkrid`'s

ope`eo`s nd wkrk e`jaubkb e` nk prokr. Fu nk idlorey oc nk sdjm djudaay ndb fkk` rkckrk`jkb e` nk

preor ioto` e` aeie`k d`b spkjejdaay jekb d`b besjusskb nkrke`.

Ir. Xd`esn. Jd` E sdy soikne`g `ow?

Is. Fe`d. Wkaa! E jd` fk iork spkjej ec you wd` d`b djudaay pder nki up wnkrk ))

Lubgk. Ak Ir. Xd`esn spkdm.

Ir. Xd`esn. Uour no`or! you sdeb you wkrk smkptjda! ds E wds. Rnky sdeb nd e wds daa fkcork nk jour kxjkp

cor d sidaa pdr. Rnk rkjorb es jakdr ds o wnd wds fkcork nk jour wnk` nk jour idbk nk ruae`g. E'i

u`dwdrk oc d`y adw or sduk nd sdys you `kkb o ak daa nes dbbeto`da e`coridto`. Rnky akb e. Rnk rkjorb

es jakdr wnd nk jour's ruae`g wds fdskb o`! d`b so fk e. E ne`m wk `kkb o iovk o` croi nd essuk.

Is. Fe`d. Dgde`! your no`or! nk jour's ruae`g wds nd `o kvebk`jk rkadt`g o pade`ts' pos)reda e`joik

jouab joik e` ds d idkr oc adw! d`b your no`or cou`b nd wds fdrrkb fy nk joaadkrda sourjk ruak. Rnkrk es

soik dunorey nd sdys kvk` ec nkrk es d ioto` e` aeie`k nd's fkk` grd`kb ds d idkr oc adw! you staa

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ndvk o snow wnd nk kvebk`jk wouab ndvk snow`! ndb nd `o joik e`. Rnd wds nk purposk oc nk prokr!

`o o jnd`gk your no`or's ie`b! danougn! ec your no`or es e`jae`kb o jo`sebkr nd )) d`b your no`or ndb daso

e`bejdkb nd snk iegn jo`sebkr d` osk dkrwdrbs! `o pu`g nk kvebk`jk fkcork nk lury! fu ndve`g

kstio`y fkcork nk jour. Zo nd prokr daso sks corn wnd wouab joik fkcork nk jour ec nk jour

daaowkb sujn kstio`y dkrwdrbs. Wk'b dsm nd e fk jo`sebkrkb cor nd purposk ds wkaa. D`b ec your no`or

ne`ms nd nkrk es d`y rkdso` o rkopk` nk ioto` e` aeie`k! wk drk iork nd` ndppy o bo nd. E wds d fe

jo`cuse`g o us wnk` wk go nk orbkr! fkjdusk wk u`bkrsoob nk jour ndb darkdby ruakb ds d idkr oc adw

nd e wds `o dbiessefak.

Lubgk. Eidge`k iy jo`cuseo`. E darkdby ruakb! d`b E gk d sdjm oc bojuik`s cour e`jnks daa.

Ir. Xut`di. Wk e`bejdkb o` nk rkjorb d nk tik wny wk wkrk boe`g e. E'i sorry ec e wds jo`cuse`g.

Is. Fe`d. D`b! dgde`! your no`or! e idy ndvk fkk` )) Is. Zro`g sdeb! you m`ow< &nes es lus d prokr nd

wk'rk goe`g o sufie e`o nk rkjorb! lus cor nk rkjorb. Rnk jour ndb darkdby ruakb o` nk pdrtks' ioto`s

e` aeie`k rkadkb o joaadkrda sourjk d`b nk ioto` o kxjaubk jkrde` porto`s oc Ir. Djmkrid`'s kstio`y.

&so e` nd rkgdrb! wk drk goe`g o sufie d prokr nd nk wds prkpdrkb o kstcy nd pade`ts ndvk sukrkb

`o kjo`oiej Aoss.&

Lubgk. Omdy.

Is. Fe`d. Rnd wds nk purposk oc nk prokr. Wk djudaay wkrk surpreskb o gk d ie`uk orbkr o` e! your

no`or! fu wk wd`kb lus o jadrecy.

Lubgk. E `kkbkb o idmk jakdr nd wndkvkr e wds nd you sufiekb wds `o soikne`g nd wds e` cro`

oc ik d nk tik.

Is. Fe`d. Fu e wds fkcork your no`or! wnknkr e's kvebk`jk or onkrwesk! nk akgda essuk wds fkcork your

no`or e` nk ioto` e` aeie`k.

Lubgk. Uks! nd )) e wds. Rnk essuk wds e` cro` oc ik.

Is. Fe`d. Rnk spkjej kvebk`jk d`b nk spkjej ope`eo`s! nk e`joik nk pade`ts rkjkevkb croi nk ksdk=

nd nk bkck`bd`s' opposeto` o pade`ts' I.E.a. @o. 6 spkjejdaay sdkb nd nk bkck`bd`s e`k`bkb d`b

drk k`takb o e`robujk kvebk`jk snowe`g nd pade`ts ndvk rkjkevkb d`b weaa jo`t`uk o rkjkevk cu`bs croi

nk ksdk= kvebk`jk nd pade`ts jo`t`uk o rkjkevk nk sdik io`eks croi nk sdik dssks `ow croi nk

Ldjmso` ksdk= nd nky ndvk `o sukrkb d`y kjo`oiej aoss. Xade`ts' ioto` daso spkjejdaay dsmkb o

kxjaubk Ir. Djmkrid`'s gurks. Kxnefe > e`jaubkb nd rs djjou` jurrk`= e e`jaubkb nk djuda fk`ks

gevk` o nk ksdk. Zo daa oc nd djudaay wds e` pade`ts' ioto` e` aeie`k d`b ruakb o`. Wnd wk ndb akb

wds seipay curnkr kvebk`tdry suppor cor ope`eo`s nk jour ndb darkdby kxjaubkb. Zo nd's )) d`b E dpoaogezk

cor d`y jo`cuseo`! your no`or! o` nd essuk! fu nd's wnd e wds! d`b e wds fkjdusk oc nksk ))

Lubgk. Curnkr kvebk`tdry suppor wds `o nk suppor nd wds e` cro` oc ik d nk tik.

Is. Fe`d. Vegn.

Lubgk. Rnd's daa E wds rye`g o `ok cor nk rkjorb. Ec e wds nkrk fkcork! `k! e wds nkrk fkcork= ec e

wds`'! e wds`'. Fu E wds idme`g jakdr e wds `o daa e` cro` oc ik d nk tik. E lus wd` o idmk e jakdr. Ec

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you wd` e cor dppkaadk purposks! e's nkrk. Fu )) d`yfoby jd` ak d`yne`g. Rnk jakrm's ojk weaa `o ur`

dwdy d`yne`g you ak.

Is. Fe`d. E gukss! your no`or ))

Lubgk. Fkaekvk ik.

Is. Fe`d. )) wnd E wouab dsm es ec nd kvebk`jk wouab idmk d bekrk`jk e` your ioto` d`b wouab e`jae`k

you o rkjo`sebkr your ioto` e` aeie`k! nd you pakdsk rkjo`sebkr e d`b daaow us o rkjdaa Ir. Djmkrid`!

snouab nd fk your bkkrie`dto`. Ec your no`or es e`jae`kb o stjm wen nk bkkrie`dto` nd joaadkrda

sourjk fdrs nes kvebk`jk! nk` wk weaa dfebk fy nd ruae`g. Fu ec nk dbbeto`da kvebk`jk wouab e` d`y wdy

daaow your no`or o jo`sebkr your preor ruae`g! wk dsm e fk jo`sebkrkb cor nd purposk.

Ir. Xd`esn. E bo`' kvk` m`ow wnd snk sdeb.

Lubgk. E ndvk`' aoomkb )) E beb`' aoom d e. Daa E sdw wds nd e wds akb dkr E darkdby ruakb! so e wds oc `o

ioik` o ik. Zo E beb`' aoom d e fkjdusk E ndb darkdby ruakb.

Is. Fe`d. D`b nkrk's `o adw e` nkrk bekrk` nd` nk adw jekb fkcork! your no`or. E's lus kvebk`jk )) ecnk kvebk`jk )) ec you ne`m nkrk es d jnd`jk nk kvebk`jk jouab jnd`gk your akgda ruae`g! wk wouab dsm you o

jo`sebkr nk kvebk`jk. Ec your ruae`g es goe`g o fk nk sdik rkgdrbakss! nk` nd's `k.

Lubgk. Ec you'rk dsme`g ik o rkopk`! E ndvk o ne`m dfou e. E rkdaezk E bo`' ndvk d ao oc tik o bo nd! fu

E ndvk o ne`m dfou wnknkr E wd` o bo nd d nes lu`jto`.

Ir. Xut`di. D`b o fk jakdr! your no`or! wk'rk o`ay boe`g nd ds d rksua oc nk ie`uk orbkr. Wk rkdb e!

d`b e wds aemk ))

Is. Fe`d. Es nkrk d possefeaey nes jouab fk rkopk`kb? Fkjdusk wk ndb nougn `o! fdskb o` your prokr.

Ir. Xd`esn. Ec nes es goe`g o rkopk`! wk'b aemk our opporu`ey o ak our ow` kegn e`jnks d`b rk )) d`ywdy!

jd` E fre`g up d` essuk E ne`m es rkakvd` cor obdy?

Lubgk. Uks.

Ir. Xd`esn. Ir. Xu`di dbveskb ik nes ior`e`g )) d`b nk'aa! E'i surk! jorrkj ik ec E'i wro`g )) nd nk

fkaekvks nd nk weaa `esn Io`bdy. E'i sorry. Wkb`ksbdy fy iebbdy. Nk beb`' sdy wnknkr nk nds d we`kss!

wo we`kssks! wndkvkr. Fu nk sdeb wk snouab fk rkdby o jdaa soik we`kssks fy 4 nours! E gukss nk'aa kaa us wno nk's

goe`g o jdaa Wkb`ksbdy ior`e`g! d`b wk'aa ry o ae`k up ))

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Ir. Xut`di. Rnky'aa bo nk sdik! E suspkj.

Ir. Xd`esn. E'aa skk ))

Ir. Xut`di. Nk'aa ak us m`ow 2> nours fkcork. Ze`jk wk wkrk `o daaowkb ykskrbdy o m`ow wno you'rk

jdaae`g! nopkcuaay you'aa kaa us wene` nk 2> nours.

Ir. Xd`esn. Uou'rk jorrkj. Wk weaa `ow bo nd. Wk'aa `ow worm o ae`k up soik we`kssks.

Ir. Foyak. E dpoaogezk! your no`or )) Mkve` Foyak! cor nk rkjorb )) cor fke`g adk. Wnk` wk akdr`kb nd

e`coridto`! E wds ou idme`g jdaas! rye`g o gk nk wnkkas e` ioto` o ae`k soiko`k up cor nd bdk. Wk'aa

ak nki m`ow ds soo` ds wk m`ow wno jd` bo e nk`.

Lubgk. Omdy. Wnd dfou Zneikaid`?

Ir. Xut`di. E aoomkb e`o nk Zneikaid` idkr. E'i `o quek bo`k aoome`g e`o nk Zneikaid` idkr.

Wnd E'vk akdr`kb nus cdr jo`ris wnd wk ndb oab nk jour nk preor tik! wnejn wds nk sdik. E ne`m e

idy fk rkvkrsefak krror! fu E'i `o )) fkjdusk E bo`' aemk o rkprksk` o nk jour soikne`g bk`etvk u`akss

e es. Wk ndvk`' quek bo`k nd. Zo ds Ir. Foyak poe`kb ou ykskrbdy! our k`trk rkdso` cor jdaae`g nes es! wkwd` o snow nk vebko.

Lubgk. Uou'rk jdaae`g nk we`kss aevk?

Ir. Xut`di. @o. Wk wouab wd` o jdaa nei o snow nk vebko. Rnk jour nds sdeb! &`o! you jd`' bo nd. E'i

goe`g o bkid`b nk joik aevk.&

Lubgk. Vegn.

Ir. Xut`di. D`b so E'i aoome`g d nk adw e`o nd! fkjdusk E ne`m nd e's rkvkrsefak krror cor us `o o fkdfak o bo e fy vebko.

Lubgk. Fy vebko.

Ir. Xut`di. Vegn. Fu! dgde`! your no`or ))

Lubgk. E wouab fk surpreskb ec nk adw es e's rkvkrsefak krror o rkcusk o daaow d pdry o pady d vebko. E jd`

skk wny e iegn fk rkvkrsefak krror o `o jdaa d we`kss! fu o `o pady d vebko! E wouab fk surpreskb.

Is. Jdnd`. d`b! your no`or ))

Lubgk. E jouab fk wro`g.

Is. Jdnd`. wk beb aojdk d jdsk nd e`bejdks nd. E wd` o idmk surk wk norougnay ru` nes essuk bow`!

fkjdusk! djudaay! wk wkrk aoome`g u`bkr 686;.368b% fkcork. [`bkr j%4%! nkrk's daso )) nkrk's iork jdsk

adw u`bkr j%4%! wnejn es nk 4;8)ieak ruak. D`b so wk'rk rye`g o )) wk cou`b soik oc nd ads `egn! wk'rk

jo`t`ue`g o aoom e`o e nes ior`e`g. D`b E ik`to`kb o pade`ts' jou`ska nes ior`e`g! wk'aa sk`b nki

wnd wk `b! wk'aa profdfay sufie d frekc o` nes Io`bdy ior`e`g.

Ir. Xut`di. Io`bdy ior`e`g.

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Is. Jdnd`. Ze`jk nky'rk `o goe`g o fk rkst`g fkcork nd d`ywdy! d`b wk weaa jkrde`ay dbvesk pade`ts'

jou`ska! ds you berkjkb us ykskrbdy! wnkrk wk `k ou o` nk adw! fkjdusk nky'rk rye`g o joorbe`dk wen

nd aevk we`kss.

Lubgk. Wkaa! nk 4;8)ieak ruak ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Wnd Is. Jdnd` sdys boks `o dppay.

Lubgk. Fu ec nk pade`ts weaa fre`g nei e` aevk! nk's `o u`dvdeadfak.

Ir. Xut`di. Rnk jdsk o` nd poe` ))

Is. Jdnd`. nk jdsk E cou`b! your no`or! es nk jdsk nd ec nk we`kss es )) e's rkvkrsefak krror o bk`y nk

pdry nk regn o bespady nk bkposeto` ec nk we`kss es iork nd` 4;8 ieaks u`bkr 686;.

Lubgk. Ec nk we`kss es u`dvdeadfak.

Ir. Xut`di. @o. Kvk` ))

Is. Jdnd`. Kvk` ec nk we`kss ndb okrkb o joik fdjm o Aos D`gkaks o kstcy aevk.

Lubgk. On! daa regn.

Is. Jdnd`. D`b so E lus wd` o idmk surk wk'rk 488 pkrjk` surk o` nk adw. Rnes jdsk sro`gay suggkss e

es rkvkrsefak krror.

Ir. Xut`di. Wk'aa jnkjm.

Ir. Xd`esn. Wnd's nk `dik oc nk jdsk?

Ir. Xut`di. E'aa gk e cor you.

Ir. Xd`esn. Wkaa! snk m`ows e. Wny jd`' ))

Is. Jdnd`. E's nk Io`royjdsk. E's djudaay d jdsk wk uskb cor d bekrk` purposk.

Ir. Xd`esn. Jouab you spkaa e cor ik?

Is. Jdnd`. i)o)`)r)o)y. E` our preor frek`g o` nk Zneikaid` essuk.

Ir. Xut`di. Wnk` wk frekckb nes we`kss! drgukb nes fkcork.

Is. Jdnd`. Ndvk d cdjuda)we`kss essuk d`b d pkrjepek`)we`kss essuk. D`b e dbbrkssks fon pro`gs oc nk

sduk.

Ir. Xd`esn. Omdy. Io`roy! nd's aeskb e` your preor frekcs! so wk'aa `b e.

Ir. Xut`di. E's daso e` drguik`s wk'vk idbk prkveousay o` nes opej.

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Ir. Xd`esn. Wkaa! wndkvkr. Wk ndvk nd jdsk! so! omdy.

Lubgk. E'aa aoom d nd jdsk.

Ir. Xd`esn. Daa regn. D`b onkr nd` nd! E ne`m wk ndvk k`ougn o aa nk bdy.

Is. Jdnd`. Jkrde`ay bo.

Is. Fe`d. D`b d joupak oc ne`gs! your no`or! drk nk sdkik` oc bdidgks essuk `ow nd wk frekckb. E

dpoaogezk cor nk bkady. E daso dkjs wnd wk bo o` Wkb`ksbdy. Zo ec wk jd` bkda wen nd `kx wkkm.

Ir. Xd`esn. Vegn. Wk ndvk wo bdys.

Lubgk. Wk ndvk Is. Cdyk ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Uks! d`b Cdyk kvkryne`g. D`b Io`bdy d`b Ruksbdy wk ndvk daa bdy.

Ir. Xut`di. Vegn. D`b wk u`bkrsoob nd Is. Jnd`g wouab fk wkaa fy Io`bdy d`b drguk o` ne`gs snkprkveousay ))

Ir. Xd`esn. E surk nopk so. E ikd`! ec you wd` d bojor's `ok! E'aa gk e! fu nopkcuaay ))

Ir. Xut`di. E'vk `kvkr rkquerkb d bojor's `ok! d`b E wo`' `ow.

Ir. Xd`esn. E'i lus sdye`g! E nopk snk weaa fk nkrk.

Is. Fe`d. Wk'rk lus nope`g nd snk ckkas fkkr.

Ir. Xd`esn. Rnd`m you. D`b E'aa kxprkss nd o nkr! nd you'rk so jo`jkr`kb dfou nkr. Rnd`m you vkry iujn.

Onkr nd` nd! E ne`m wk jd` projkkb cor obdy.

Is. Fe`d. Lus o`k ne`g E beb`' ik`to` kdraekr. Rnes wkkm wk wkrk pad``e`g o sufie soik rkveskb lury

e`srujto` d`b rkveskb vkrbej cori! d`b nky weaa joik e` fy iebbdy so your no`or weaa ndvk nd.

Ir. Xd`esn. Omdy.

Ir. Xut`di. Uour no`or! wk'rk snowe`g vebko obdy. Our u`bkrsd`be`g es wk wkrk rkquerkb o snow vebko

obdy fkjdusk Ir. Xd`esn wouab `o fk nkrk. E dppkdrs nes rdvka pad`s ndvk jnd`gkb! fu wk'rk goe`g o

projkkb wen nk vebko se`jk nd's wnd wk ndvk o go wen.

Is. Fe`d. E'i goe`g o rdbk ou wen Is. Jdnd`.

Ir. Foyak. E'aa spkdm cor you! Ir. Xd`esn. Wnk` Ir. Xd`esn )) nk beb ndvk pad`s! d`b nk sdeb )) wk wkrk goe`g

o joik fdjm o` nk reda obdy. Nk sdeb! omdy! e's darkdby d bdy o. D`b nk sdeb! &ec e's daa vebko! `o profaki.&

e` nk e`krei! nk bkjebkb nk wd`kb o fk nkrk! jo`sebkre`g daa nk essuks poppe`g up. Nk jnd`gkb nes rdvka

pad`s. E bo`' ne`m e's d` essuk fkjdusk obdy es d cuaa vebko d`ywdy. E sou`bs aemk nky beb`' ndvk aevk

we`kssks d`ywdy! e wds daso e`bejdkb o us kdraekr e` nk wkkm! you m`ow! so wndkvkr.

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Ir. Xut`di. Ds wk rkprksk`kb o nk jour ykskrbdy! nkrk wkrk d `uifkr oc aevk we`kssks! jo`sebkre`g

soik oc nki wk djudaay rekb o qukuk up cor nk 3n. Wk wkrk nk` oab wk jouab o`ay bo vebko.

Lubgk. Wkaa! Ir. Xd`esn! E ne`m wk'rk goe`g o ndvk iovk corwdrb wen we`kssks! rkgdrbakss oc your rdvka

pad`s.

Ir. Xd`esn. Wkaa! E u`bkrsd`b nd.

Lubgk. Fkjdusk ec you ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Uour no`or ))

Lubgk. Wk rekb o djjoiiobdk! fu ec e es`' nd eipord`! nk` ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Uour no`or! E wds dsmkb ec wk jouab ndvk nd bdy fdjm dvdeadfak. E sdeb! &yks.& E beb`' sdy &`o&=

omdy? Rnky ndvk `o aevk we`kssks nky'rk jdaae`g obdy.

Lubgk. Fu nky iegn ndvk.

Ir. Xut`di. Wk wouab ndvk.

Lubgk. Rnky rkdrrd`gkb ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Wno wkrk nky goe`g o jdaa?

Ir. Xut`di. Wk gk o bo nd dgde`?

Lubgk. E bo`' ne`m wk `kkb o go nrougn nd dgde`. E ikd`! nky idbk d` kor o rkdrrd`gk nker

we`kssks ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Uour no`or! E jnd`gkb e o adkr.

Lubgk. Ir. Xd`esn! ak ik `esn. )) fdskb e` pdr upo` your sjnkbuak. Ofveousay your sjnkbuak nds jnd`gkb!

fu E bo`' ne`m e's cder o mkkp rkquere`g onkr pdrtks o jnd`gk nker pad`s ec your pad`s drk`' nd

eipord`! fkjdusk you ofveousay jd` fk nkrk. Zo E'i lus sdye`g ))

Ir. Xd`esn. Uou wd` ik o gevk nk rkdso`s daa `ow wny E ndb o jnd`gk?

Lubgk. @o.

Ir. Xd`esn. D`b wnd ndppk`kb d`b dfou d bkdn ))

Lubgk. Uou bo`' ndvk o ec you bo`' wd` o. E bo`' wd` o pry e`o your pkrso`da fuse`kss.

Ir. Xd`esn. Rnkrk's d odaay akgetidk rkdso` wny E jnd`gkb. Rne`gs ndvk ndppk`kb e` nk e`krei. E staa

ndvk nk pad`s. E ndvk fkk` nkrk se`jk Dprea >n. E'vk ndb d bdy d`b d ndac o oc jour wnejn joe`jebkb wen d

luror! o`k pdr oc e. E'vk fkk` nkrk kvkry se`gak bdy se`jk Dprea >n. E'vk fkk` e` reda e` nes fueabe`g se`jk

Ld`udry 4:. Rnk o`ay rkdso` E iesskb nk ioto`s e` aeie`k! E wds e` nk nospeda. E `kvkr iesskb d reda bdy o`

d`y reda! d`b E dsmkb cor nes reda nosk bdys! d`b E idbk d` kxjkpto` )) E'vk fkk` nkrk kvkry onkr bdy. Cor

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nes ykdr! E'vk fkk` e` reda cor 488)d`b)soik bdys. E'i `o d reda pkrso` rye`g o iesreda. E'vk fkk` e` reda e`

nes jour skvk` io`ns e` nk ads skvkrda ykdrs. E'vk `kvkr fkcork dsmkb nk jour cor d`y tik o. E'vk `kvkr

idbk nk jour dblus cor iy sjnkbuak d d`y tik e` skvk` io`ns or iork oc reda e` nes jourrooi. D`b e`

nes oda skvk` io`ns! E dsmkb cor o`k bdy `kx wkkm! d`b d bdy d`b d ndac d`b nes onkr bdy! wnejn E wds

dfak o jnd`gk! puaa fdjm fkjdusk oc nk vebkos E wd`kb o skk d`b fk nkrk fkjdusk oc daa nksk onkr ioto`s

wkrk joie`g up. Zo e` 488)d`b)wndkvkr bdys nes ykdr! E'vk ndb wo bdys o nd E'vk dsmkb. E'vk `kvkr e`

skvk` io`ns e` nes jourrooi! onkr nd` nd! dsmkb cor d`y bdys o. E'vk `kvkr ndb nk jour jnd`gk

d`yne`g cor iy sjnkbuak.

Lubgk. On! `o. E'i `o jnd`ge`g e cor you.

Ir. Xd`esn. E ndb nk jour go corwdrb.

Lubgk. E'i sdye`g oppose`g jou`ska wds jnd`ge`g.

Ir. Xd`esn. E wds e` nk nospeda. E beb`' sdy d`yne`g dfou nk ioto`s e` aeie`k. E sk` pejurks o provk

wnkrk E wds. E beb`' ry o bkady nd e` d`y wdy. E ndvk `kvkr e` iy jdrkkr rekb o e`jo`vk`ek`jk jou`ska e`

d`y wdy. E dpoaogezk nd E wds dfak o joik obdy. Rnky'rk pu`g o` nker vebkos nd nky ndvk o pu o`

d`ywdy! d`b E'i sorry nd Ir. Xu`di ne`ms nd E wds rye`g o puaa soikne`g ovkr or ry o gde` soikdbvd`dgk oc nes syski! wnejn E ndvk `kvkr bo`k.

Is. Jdnd`. d`b! your no`or! lus cor pad``e`g purposks! fkjdusk nk Sd` Sdae` vebko es quek ao`g! wnk`

wouab you aemk o dmk nk ior`e`g frkdm so Is. Frdbcorb jd` idmk surk snk pdusks e d d` dppropredk

ioik`?

Lubgk. Drou`b 44.

Is. Jdnd`. 44

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Lubgk. Luror `o. 4! now you boe`g?

Luror `o. 4< nd`m you. Wk'rk staa wdet`g o nkdr onkr ne`gs! fu prky goob.

Lubgk. Mkkp ik dppreskb.

Luror `o. 4< nd`m you.

Lubgk. Jou`ska! idmk your dppkdrd`jks.

Ir. Xd`esn. Goob ior`e`g! kvkryo`k. Fred` Xd`esn cor pade`ts.

Ir. Foyak. Goob ior`e`g! kvkryfoby. Mkve` Foyak cor pade`ts.

Is. Fe`d. Lkssejd Zkffe`s Fe`d cor nk bkck`bd`s.

Is. Jdnd`. Mdnry` Jdnd` cor nk bkck`bd`s.

Ir. Xut`di. D`b Idrve` Xu`di cor nk bkck`bd`s.

Lubgk. Rnd`m you. Is. Jdnd`! you wd`kb o pady soik vebkos cor us obdy?

Is. Jdnd`. yks. Robdy weaa fk vebko bdy. Cers! bkck`bd`s jdaa! fy vebko bkposeto`! Br. Weaaedi F. Sd` Sdae`.

S)d)`! spdjk! S)d)a)e)`! EE.

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Is. Jdnd`. your no`or! nes es profdfay d goob padjk o sop cor nk ior`e`g frkdm.

Lubgk. Omdy. Ak's dmk d 4;)ie`uk frkdm. nk lury kxekb nk jourrooi d 44

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jour nds nd`bakb nksk e` nk pds. Rnk jour nds fkk` vkry djjoiiobdt`g o jou`ska. D`b ec E sdeb! &`o

jour! E jd`'& )) you m`ow! you wouab ndvk u`bkrsoob nd! so ))

Ir. Foyak. D`b cor nk rkjorb! E wds idb d Ir. Xd`esn cor dgrkke`g o pu e fdjm o` fkjdusk E ndb! fdskb o`

e fke`g d` o bdy! pad``kb d cdieay rep nd E ndb o jd`jka fkjdusk nk ndb e pad``kb. Zo E bo`' ne`m nk wds

e`k`to`daay rye`g o bo d`yne`g dfou nes bdy.

Ir. Xd`esn. E wds rye`g o gk e o` nk jdak`bdr o iovk e dao`g.

Ir. Xut`di. Ec wk drk goe`g o go nrougn nk wnoak ne`g! nk` wnd djudaay ojjurrkb! your no`or! wds

nd E seipay sdeb fkcork! `k! nd`m you. Fu ec wk'rk goe`g o kaa wnd djudaay ndppk`kb o` nk rkjorb! wnd

es dppdrk`ay `kjkssdry! wnd ojjurrkb wds! wnk` e go o nk poe` d nk k`b oc nker 42 wkkms oc goe`g!

nk` wk wkrk aoome`g e`o! nk`! wnd bdys o dmk o. D`b pade`ts' jou`ska dsmkb cor kvkry Crebdy oc nrkk

Crebdys! soiktiks nk ndac Rnursbdy fkcorknd`b! sujn nd bkck`sk jou`ska wouab `ow ndvk wo d`b d ndac!

nrkk bdys d wkkm! kvkry wkkm. Rnk rkdso` dsmkb? Fkjdusk nk sdeb nk wd`kb o go skk nes bdugnkr o pady

sojjkr. E sdeb! you m`ow wnd? E'b rkdaay rdnkr! gevk` wk o`ay gk wo d`b d ndac bdys d wkkm e` nes tik

pkreob! E'b rdnkr `o bo nd. E e`bejdkb o nk jour spkjejdaay nd E wouab rdnkr wk `o bo nd cor sujn d

rkdso`. Rnk jour bkkrie`kb o bo so! wnejn E beb `o joipade` dfou e` d`y ikdsurk. Wnk` wk nk` go o

nk pu oc our ur`! E sdeb! &jd` wk pakdsk ndvk soik oc nosk bdys fdjm? Jouab wk `o go! or jouab soikne`gjnd`gk?& wk wkrk oab! &`o.& d`b nk` E dsmkb! &es nkrk d`y wdy wk jouab bo e? Wnd ec wk padykb vebkos nd

bdy?& Cers! wnd E wds oab! djudaay! wds! &@o! you jd`' ndvk e fdjm.& E sdeb! &Now dfou ec wk pady d vebko!

d`b you bo`' ndvk o fk nkrk?& d`b nk sdeb! &Omdy. Uou m`ow wnd? Rnd's wnd you jd` bo. Uou jd` pady

vebko! d`b E wo`' fk nkrk! d`b nd wo`' fk d profaki.& Rnd's wnd djudaay ojjurrkb! your no`or. E wds`'

dfou ads wkkm wnk` nky wkrk goe`g o go o nker jo`ckrk`jk nd nky wkrk u`bkrwret`g e` Skgds. E

wds`' nd or d`yne`g kask. E wds cor nes. D`b nk` wnd ndppk`kb wds! ykskrbdy ds wk wkrk akdve`g jour!

`o u`ta ykskrbdy wnk` wk wkrk akdve`g jour! E nkdrb! &On! E'i goe`g o fk nkrk oiorrow.& d`b daa E wds

sdye`g es! e wouab ndvk fkk` nk `ejk ne`g o bo! wnk` wk wkrk dsmkb o gk e fdjm so wk jouab jdaa

we`kssks! wnk` wk'vk sd nkrk d`b sdeb wk'rk rye`g kvkryne`g e` our powkr o luggak pkopak! e`jaube`g

pkopak nd wkrk dvdeadfak o` nk 3n! nd wk nk` ndb o jnd`gk pad`k tjmks cor d`b kvkryne`g kask cor`kx wkkm! o fk oab nd fkcork ykskrbdy dkr`oo`. Rnd's daa E wds rye`g o drtjuadk.

Ir. Xd`esn. E beb`' dsm cor kvkry Crebdy o. Crebdy! nk 6:rb oc Dugus! wds luror `o. 48= Crebdy! nk 68n! es

soik onkr rkdso`. Rnk 67n es luror `o. 7. E ikd`! e's lus )) E rks iy jdsk. Rnes wnoak ne`g )) nes wnoak jdsk

nds fkk` aemk nes.

Ir. Xut`di. Uks! nk wnoak jdsk nds fkk` kxdjay aemk nes.

Ir. Xd`esn. Uou'rk dfsoaukay regn! Ir. Xu`di. D`b e's lus e`jrkbefak. E'vk `kvkr fkk` e`voavkb e` d`yne`g

aemk e. E nopk E `kvkr di dgde`.

Ir. Xut`di. Rnd idmks wo oc us.

Ir. Xd`esn. Wk dgrkk o` soikne`g.

Ir. Xut`di. E suspkj wk dgrkk o` id`y ne`gs.

Lubgk. Ak's fre`g our lurors e`.

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RNK L[VU K@RKVKB RNK JO[VRVOOI DR 4462.

D`b e ru`s up o pdgk `o. :;.

Ir. Xd`esn. D`b E ndvk `o oflkjto`s o nk pdgks nd nk rkckrk`jkb d`b rkckrrkb o! d`b wk jd` bkda wen

nk rks oc e adkr.

Lubgk. Omdy.

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Is. Jdnd`. nk skjo`b es bkposeto` kxnefe :! reda 687:! wnejn es d pade`ts' reda kxnefe. Vu`s up o pdgk 7.

Is. Jdnd`. d`b nk nerb es bkposeto` kxnefe o. ;! pade`ts' reda kxnefe 6782! ru``e`g up o uifkrkb

pdgk 62.

Ir. Xd`esn. D`b iy poseto` wouab fk nk sdik. D`y kxnefes rkckrk`jkb! nkrk's `o oflkjto`= onkrwesk! wk

jd` besjuss e wen nk jour.

Lubgk. Rnky'rk rkjkevkb suflkj o nk besjusseo` nd wk'aa ndvk.

Ir. Xd`esn. Vegn.

Is. Jdnd`. d`b nk `kx vebko wk ndvk es br. @kea Vd`kr. Rnd's 62 ie`uks! so e snouab dmk us regn o nk

dkr`oo` frkdm! ec nd's omdy! your no`or. D`b nkrk wds `o krrdd `otjk cor br. Sd` Sdae`. Rnkrk weaa fk `o

krrdd `otjk cor br. Vd`kr. D`b e's @kea Vd`kr. V)d))`)k)r.

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Is. Jdnd`. your no`or! nd jo`jaubks nk padye`g oc nk vebko bkposeto` oc br. Vd`kr. Lus o fk jakdr!

nkrk drk soik krrdd spkaae`g essuks! `one`g sufsd`tvk. D`b E bo`' ne`m E `kkb o rkdb d`y oc nk spkaae`g

jnd`gks e`o nk rkjorb.

Lubgk. Now dfou kxnefes?

Is. Jdnd`. `o kxnefes! your no`or.

Ir. Xut`di. @o kxnefes.

Lubgk. Omdy. Zo wk'aa dmk d frkdm! nk`?

Ir. Foyak. Ukdn.

Lubgk. :

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Lubgk. Uou idy jo`t`uk.

Is. Jdnd`. nd`m you! your no`or. D nes tik nk bkck`bd`s jdaa fy vebko br. Daad` Ikzgkr. D)a)a)d)` i)k))

z)g)k)r.

Lubgk. Omdy. Rnd`m you.

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Is. Jdnd`. your no`or! nes es profdfay d goob padjk o frkdm fkjdusk wk'rk dfou o go e`o nk joipakk

ikbejda rkjorbs oc br. Ikzgkr! d`b wk wd`kb o sop d 46

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Lubgk. Omdy. D`b! jou`ska! you'rk goe`g o fk nkrk o` Io`bdy d 48