COM.MO.~S DEBATES G:tobcf u. 1910

T/l,t CO#Istlttllbt

Mr. CeObettr. I ask. Madam Spe:akc:r. lhat 1JI rcmautlt13 Mliou or mocio .. roe the prod~Ktion or pe.pcn be aJiowed to ,uancL

M•4•• S,Uhr: Shall tbe retnainin& ooclcell or motions be: •flowed to •land?

.SC.. ~. Mc.-nJ.:: A&ll>Cd.

TiltCO.~ON

IU"'T A81.."H \i"EI'n Of SP£CtAl. fCM~T COiol totrrTtl OF THf! SE'NA1'£ A.SD HQC,I.~ Of' C()NN()NS

Thr. How;c mu.mcd ooosidu.atbl rrom f'tid1y, October 10,. 1980, ur the motioo o( the MinU.Ccr o( Jultlec 11ncl Mini"&cr or S111e IM SocliJ ()c,·cfopment (Mr. Chrhien):

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Uad I (aocd any ptoble:ms in OOntin111ina my ~markJ they would l\lve e.v~tporatcd after the am1u:ina CliCbnn1c that oceurrC!CI lud:oly between the Lead-er ot tl10 OppoNdoo (Mr. Clnrk) and tbe Prim.:. MiniJtcr (Mr. Trudctu), In lltlll•'f!r to a qufdtiOn fro«._ tbe leader of the ()p,ultlon, the l'rim.e Minis·

&u said, ill dr«t, thlt the pcrnment will :achkvc Its.~ tive fn. ~ng by the tHidt door to En&l~t.nd lo 1 1rl!md t~ rorm or ~rnmct~t that this tountry btu: k:nqwn antil now. We know chat aoc:n sulnJ by lbc lrunt door alt ~r;~ tiqm •f(Ot:tuta the Senate.. OOt,jkf not be uchicvcd in t..lte hrlbltlent a(

Can~da, bci:~t:lil..e or the Su1,r.:1oc Cou". 1t i3 1111 ~tm.ultll situation, Mr. SPMker. We 1'1\IIY 1alk about trick~ry , $1\C-kcry or at~ythl:n.a else., btll whe11 •·e are consMkti.ng what 1be Prim11 M1nistcr hu eal)ad "11t.c: rut•rc ;~l)d dlffC'rCn1 (otm ol IQ\'Crft• rDCCI' ror C.r~ada ... we n .. d 0111-41 lea5t, we qn thill tide ha~ becauc we ,mpccl 1he lmplicatbls of the. rcsollltiott-tlwlt uy ttmda.mcaul cllaqc to our CIONlh•tiao is ..ot toi111 to be: dTccsod i• thU hltiamat4: * rather .;u be: d- • lllc bulb of tlilc TMMO ...........

As I said 011 f rid.J, Mr. S,Ut cr. ti a cu...liu I tCMM tbc fact dtat C1.uda"1 ~it•t""' il to be docide.d ie EnaJaDd rathn tlu!.n in t.h.it C'llpital ol tk coon try.

.SO.. h • . M.,.k:n;: lloar. bf!ar!

Mr. N..-ll•: I ( there~~ 11o cofooiaJ, it i$ the Prlrnc Min.ltter. taking his 1eacup In hand IU'td solng to Bu:etingbnm Pnhu:c to h<lYe 01"CJ1t Orltaill doc:kk what uur ri&hu a/C, what the c:quali.ution form1•ll• 111td lbe amcndioc formub <~re untkr the te:rmi of this 16-.pace I"CCIiutlon .

With a.IJ d11e rupoct to o1u ~~e.oatort, In my opit~iofl. the oth~ pa.c:c • not , ... mod r.~w part- ot so~n.mtftl.. 1 NR al'wl.)~ Ud a W.. U. thi• d~ ooe shttcd by the bolt • mc::mber f« WituUJCC N~ Cattre (Mr. Knowlc:i). bit it o­Pa.rliruneatoiC. ... OO.W •cM.qetkf«moltlrlc$cNte .a.ms o.r Ct'OI\t door. bcaUCI h wu ... dd ~~-.a. -~ ao.w we •• Ca--" locPJUSOrs ld tbc Prime Mi.AittCf ao lllroiiiP the blc:k door i• Loadoa ill u dt'urt to dlaatc tile

rcwm oi~Gftmmdlt •hlch u!.u i• Cauda1

So.e -.. 1\h•llc,.: ShaniiC!

So.e -.. l\t$•Nn: Hcot. hear!

Mr. N<twiall! I know thlt my time Is ljnti&td. Mr. Spcat:cr. and that oc.her mcmbcn w1n1 to apctk. r hope hotl. ttl«"bf!" 0C1 botb t idef o( tlw HWIIC rcprC5CIIli ... this OCioll.n.t()' fro.n coa!ll to (I()IU will •puk thdr thoticbta Ofl thls ~•utia. tocethr:r .;th t!.f!i.r t*ab(a at.lt the fvuu·~ of ttiN _,_.L

1• the q"IICUioe I'Cfiod, tk MWR.er ol J~ (Mr. Ori:tt­ca) rq:atcd tiN aaanl aa.o.t ~ttiatice.. r. a O'leftiCJhllill speecil•ltca tllit ddlii;1C btplla wed aao 1:ut Moacby, dw

lAder of lllc Oppoloitbt ,..;.s ttneq•~ tltat • i111 Iter Majc:Jty'a lo,pl 099othao.-..nd I bdint: also it1 tbc NOP­.suppott pa.tri1tion now, 1.cl tlte •mmdin! i'on:n•la~t ka.n lhc Va..coo.vcr ptopoul. If t~ two poin111 were aoceptcd, thit re:solutMM could be red~ IOOI!c page iC'Istead of 16.

Make 1)0 mjltake nbof.lt lt Mr. Spo~~tcr; 'I"'C· auPJIOn pattla· t iQn, We do not want tO Mde bCihl11d the ~ or the Qu«111. We ••ant the= pot)plc. or Cana41 to find crut wbat the fu ture o(

thecouatt)' i4 10 k.

~PI~U~d at tbc. repon from tJ1e travelling duo. John Mllrk and Joh.n. tbe two IIIPI)iltlu to London, the

•0111og ho~,.,,.,,,, When they csmc bat.:k. fr()ft'l l..ondon tbcy tlle parllametlt of Great 1Jrit1~in mi&JU take tluce (If' four to debate this matter. Sure.ly the Scerctitry of State for

Affairs (Mr. M.ai;(;uig;an) ktlOI'I'S tbat in tht· ~~ debllte In recent ti.mcs, the ooe concerning the

()( 0-rdt Britain to tllc El<'ropcan Cotllmoo Ma.rtet. took two days to pus the mQtion. Under their

take oaly or;c: day. The questiOft · b ·called, ev-en thoush it l'tla)' arise early in the:

fOllowing day. To &U8¥CSI there wouJd be three of debate on .a rc:t.Oiution coming from Can11da

~:~,."~ :~:";:;'~~: tbe OCIIonial statustbattbe Pti'me Minister ti 90 intcre3tcd in dolag awa)'' with whe:~ he &.pOke OC'I

on Tbutsd•y night. There-would be no~ tor t hat resoltltion CIIJiins for pauiation now ~nd on the Vi«oria Of VllfM,:OU\'i:r proposal.

ftw myself. I would not be :lfraMI of taking the to the peope.tr. after a ocrtaio lcnsth t>f time for tbe prcmicr11 t~nd the fcdetaJ f:OYctnmcnt <lid nQt

tgrct another proposal. We $ho\lld at le:w btin8 the back, tboogh, and ba11e the fight here in the

Canadian Hou.~e of Commom.. ~~ tbere muM be oons:uhation with tbe prernie"' of the cour:Jtr)'.

I have poineed oot tbat uDder Of.lt &)'Stem the. th•U law and common taw hart riddc., tandem for 113 )'ear$. F(>J tl~e time. as a result of this propo!llll, they meet bead on. ln taw you ha,•e to poi.nt to a piece of J»Jlef to estabatsb a ~ but under the <:ommoo law that p·crru. nine prc.winoes., 1011 atld l, Mr. Speaker, flan: CYef)' risht under the ~un. except dll16e which art· prescribed by law, I am not .sayit1g wbkb is ,.1'011.1 or • •hieh U riJbt, Mr. Speaker. I do DOt know whether CanadU!ns realiu that this resol-u tion would ('bange what Ms betll the wmmon Jaw tor ni.nc ptO't"incc:s into a eil'lt ('ode

r •hereby oeitbcr chill pcul.iametlt n()t the JWO"'ineial le8illbtu.rc:fl but the cou.ru.. wovid int~ec and kgialate tbat whi<:b aN'~ • all. That is a fundamental probkm that sboold not be

, discl.tSSCd ft.lrthe~ a t this time. Mr. Speaker. Hon. m<:mbe~ ~itt u.y we have- eo redeem l l protnise

m•& to Quebec bec8u11e ol the 110te there Ja.s.t Ma)'. Well. I am all foe ~mil'lg promises and bOII(Kiri.ng pledges.. but il is V<r'f difflCult tO define:. what the pledge WllS. Tbe l•rankr ol Quebec. the ka4et of tM. opposition in Que~ the New Da1loeratlc Pany in Quebec and many oolumn.lsts have ~~aid Wt thi• rQoh.•tkm d<ld Dot redeem any pk4ge und that it may. in fa«. e~n euced:mtc the situation. Leavinz that uKk. Mr. Speaker. bow can the Pri~:M Minis.ttr reck:c:m a plcd&e to '* pnri of the oououy while ial)oring tbe tars« ruponaibiJity 10 the('()Untry as a •bole?

Tbc Prime Mink ttr can play with word11. We know be is 'Kif)' adept at dialoctical debate ;~nd ev:t~~dl.ng queatioas within tilt ciwumkriptloo of tbe question period. Ue did DO( answer tie qUCilion rwt to him. SCC1~ 42, • ·hich pr&vide=l for an amtndint~ procedu.~ by ~f~ndum. ill nc.K a deadloek·break­iol procedure-or mecban.lsm. Tbe majority of premH:n, reprc-

Tlr.- Cons1flurton sentins 0\'tt 50 pel' QICnt of the people: of this country. :~ lad& witll membtts of this Joyal opposition, have; uld. :u did our lca4c.r tlult .sanw: Thursday nisht on tclcvi::~ic)n , that ~lion 42 is noc a 4e~~oc.Uoc:l·borealdng mechanism. lt has the potential to be a h3nuner-lock on the fund:unenu) ~.tructure. of thi.i bnd.. the fcdenl sy,;tt:m. That i:s why "''t "*llDOl support the resolu· tiotlas it iJ prueml y drnftcd.

• iiS~

In trying to OC)mC· to fiCMtlf!- ldod of rationale and in trying to move with the momentum th11t h.u bet~ built up, sl~·it "''d l orpnited 0\'Ct' tbe wmmc:r, with the uavclling mini*tt.rl> and tbe ads tbilt 'II'C bawe. hestd about ud talked about, as well as li:«e:nitlg to tbe spceken. indudffi,& the Prime Minlster ~~~ be spoke here again today of .. Fifty·thr« years t>f failure". I sugcst tbere m~~o-y huve been bUure and u..OOubtedly tb ere baw: been problems i.n SJ ~r$ W rcdenti·JWbVii)C1al a.tnfe-r• eDCCll. Hut this OCMJ.nll)' called Canada h$11 noe failed for SJ years in spite of :. comtitutlo.,aJ problem. This oouotry bas tfOYr11 and developed. l b;ate to admit it but otwiOU$1y it l1a!l developed more $0 because of the ~ority !CQ''ernment under the Libetal rule. 1 ~tt tO gflle. ttcdit • •btte credit is due, bec~Juit the Liberals bave- been in power, unfwtui\Utely. (or too loog. l' tbe Prime Minister trying to sugg«t t.hat tht: 53 )UIS nf otw~sthulionaJ pl'Oblems and ft~_il1.1re bnve m;adc l l fnilure of tbil country, wblc-lt b:u tbe broadest and belit socitll proerams in 11te world'! CaniLda b a oout1uy from ooest to ooas~ wb)cb so far we bave bee-n :J'I'Uud. I tay to 110«'1. membets tb3t roofer• woes have created problems. 1111 u.nOOubtedly they wiJiapin in the fu1ure. Hut 53 years of probkms in federal-pcoviocial OO(Iferenocs do llO( decmc:t frclm what we b.avt do~e. io thOU' SJ years 111 spi te of~ probletn!l.

I ask bon. mc:mbtr.~ to listen to a tllought I had wbeo uying 10 rationalize tbe preKnt hute to do $0methinz. 1 shall IM)I gc> back to the JSIJOt .ot to read from .. The Third Rei,h" or read scatcment.s made by bll.\ineSS:rnetl aft« the. dtpttasiol'l and tbe problems with the mark. lnOaciun eseabted tl1eo bce:aul\c-the eeo001mit problem:s bccllmc so inten~ and tbt: busine»men, tOj.dher •·ith abe. Junken. were sayin8 -~..c, \1$ 1et !iOIUCOOe who will do something". $omM~ came and djd somethine:, 1-te did many thin ss. But wbt., there is too much haste one ('aMOt repent in Je:i~;une it one it talking about the constitution. The qulet revolutifxl • ·bic.b we aU a('eept has real ly betri the catl!.lytt initially €or this momentum of ehan&'e· The qu.iet teYolution in Quebec started in tbe. 1950s. lr it bas take11 ftom the 19SO.S to now-

A• tto.. Mt:•IMI': The 1960$.

Mr. NG .. ba: Sa)· t he 1960s, that Is even better. Bil't surely if the quiet rcYolution in Quebec quite j111lifi2bly pinPQinted prOO&enu in this fedttatio., that occ:dod to be red1C$$od, wb)' is tbis 80\'«nment !Kt baJJty1 In another psrt of tbe rountry, the WC$l, tbc:re. were Ol hct festering &Otet, Dui i.n the 195& or the 1 %Os, which i$ 12 ycan 011 2:2 )'tart dtpttlding on wbetbtr you want to date it from Jean t.es.ae t>f ntllirr~ clu-z riOU$ ot latet. tbc:re has ~ • decade (If fl't()rC or ft~~tering $C.IrC$ in Quebec which have flllally prompted some ;action (Of c.:ons.titu·

3692 COMMONS DEBATES October IS, 1980

Tht! ComJituti(}ll

ti0t1al rcvic•·· I ad: • ·by are ~not usin& the !lltl)t staDdard ~or llnolhcr fundamental pan of tbc coonuy. the. 1~oett, u. that 11 too can have Jl c:banc.:c to ~~ .some rtdre~a for their arie'l'• &M'« throu,eh consultatioa and QQllferenoc nnbet than canrroncacion?

Sontt hooll. M clllbel'$: Hear. hC3t!

Mr. No.-ta~a: You do not just to from tbe-tn:art :and t.hc: ddusioft ot unanimity. and the het th:at an;wimity is next 10 impos.~~;ibJc, to u.nlb.tetal Jtction. There is oo need fo go ftonl one extreme to amlther, 8)' the position ol thi:1 puny takct~ in fq,vour of patritttion on the bds.it or tbc Vanoouvct proposal, we ate pttptn:xf to admit that un11nimity is not tlte way in Pl~ke. ~-en tbou.gb it i~: tllc ide~l. Tbcre sboold be-no more Cilnill~ 0&' preten<:e from tbc otbt r S;ide tl'mt u~»nimicy i' a ncces:m)' 41nd tllat because. )'i)IU do noc have _,nanimity )'00 ha~ the.rcfote to procc.cd with unilateral ac:tioft.

h il jun bccau3~ tbc pres.ent Prime Mini~t~r "''e!IJS a halo puning him in oomn1unkati.oo witb $Ofi)C extJaterruuiaJ bein8$ that be bas tJw: atm.iehty, djyine powtt to do unil.atcr.tl­ly wbat a fellow <:e.Uod Mackemie Kin& did not do; what a fellow eaUcd St. Laurent did not do; whllt a feUO"'' called Mt. P~a®n did not do. or wh.at tbat ~test t)'rut of all, John Oiefcnbakcr. dMI not do1 Juit ima,sine If Mr. Oiefcnbaker wcr~ slu i.n.g there today ~·IJt& unl.h&ter;•lly aeij~ tbe Mpira­tio.u q{ clle emetgiu& quiet reorolutioo from Qutbce. Yoo w.·ould ha~·e seen 11111 1be columnists in th<M:t one-p3per tcrwns­not ooo-bo:r$e towns--writlns vay Ql)jective cohrmns su-cb as, .. Mr. OiefCllb.tker. )W an: 11 tyrant; )'00 are a despot, you .are dict&toriaL" The Prim~ Ministtr tal.b about the tyl'\llnny of unanimity. I l>ll&gest )'OU cann<lt ;u'l)wer tbc tyranny of u.nanin)ity with dktatOri;al t~nilatual action • •hie:h fundamcn· t.ally runs actORs every wrtStitutiooal oorweation that .. oc- ho!YC respe«~ ia this c:ou.ntr.y for I 13 yean. 'tlt.ere is not a member In thi$ Hw.se wbo bdievct t.bil oountry "''OUJd t"-er ha~--e come IOJether if John /\, Ma<:donaJd had ~id: •·&yi, c<ln.e here bctau$C I :~m going to act lw ilatt:rally." Whoen )'W breach tb~ COn'\·er~tion of COhkMld. you are breaching tbc fundamental fabrKoftltis l:tnd.

S.IM ato.. Me..kn: 1-lc.u. hear!

Mr. Nqwlaa: I 113\·t-tric:d to undmtand ~·we could be in tbit positioo 1<'1day, debating unibteral.actiM a.s the an~wcr tQ

the f11 tnh<IOd of unanimity? We w&.nt poltiation and "''e koow that unanimity is not g<.ling to g_ive it. We do not care. We want the Vrancouv-cr ptOPQ$31 at lct~liL

In t rying to figure this out. I 3USgt:St there is a flaw io our federaJism taday. Uv~ Prcn~icr Blakttley, wbo I l1card hurt night on tt:kvi3H>n, suggested the'e is a naw in (M:Ir fcdualism. I o:Jmmcmd this to th<* who do not Jet west of the Latehead loo often be~use we all want Canada to stay to~thct in so•ne form. But &nvinc been in tbe west and h;1vina prac1isc:d low tbl:rc fO£ ci.gbt years. and h;•vit~& b«o 111-'C$1 tbis ~ummet. let me say tbe fee.Ung I ha.~ gra.spcd out there bas seated 1'1\lt-. This letting 4 trans-mitted tb,ou.g,h n.oderatn and tr:.mapbnt• from t he ent who said this .summer, ''We do not ct~JC.. Go )'OUr

.,.~y:· Tbey did noe $8f it emotionuUy as tbey 3aid it t.,.'O )Uts 11.£0. They did not talk tabout FreDCh on oornnatcs box.t3. 1t i.s WtiY bc)'Oild that. Tb~ naw in this federalism has at lca~t tbre~:.

paru. Oae is tbe fllde:ral~provinc:i~ l (M'QOedure in ~·idenQC at tbe lln t•'O conferts~oe5, a.n,....-.y. I 31.1uesl tbat bistorieall)',1o rountet tbe powerful federal pca.enc:.::., there bru :.lway' been a ~tong counterbaJancc or one. if not bQth, of the t-wo seniof £(1vemmmts in thi11 OQUntry. To c:ounter cb~ federal ~~~· mcnt, ooe needed at least Quebec. O.nttrio. ot both, to ~nt ~M»thct poi.n.t of view.

I am not goin3 to so too far 011 this :upcct. Mr. Spcattr~ btlt WC kOOW that today lbC g<We:Nimf:ftt ()/ Qvebt!c, for i t.~ (IWJI

tC3S«<!I, is I'I()C ttaUy i:nttr«t~ in bc:ins I& COCHIICTbiJ;b nQC IO the ftde.ral point 1)f v~w. Unfortuf\ll tely thi$ "''i'l$ .a,pparent ill t he last federal~Jlfovinc:U.J ooorercnoc, and even in the ooe before. 1t was malliftstcd on tdeviUonscr~."t.ns. 1t was clear. lt .,..a$ apparent )'t$terday t.hllt the great province of Ontario.. for it~ reasoo5, bas oot been a counterbalaDCC to tbe.st tong fedt:r;al prcscooe. This bat distorted J~Brt ()(the hilltOry <H fede;n.•t..-pr.,_ vinciaJ ot~nferenoes. When yo11 Cl.>fl'IJ)OIInd tha1 imbalance wit.h the SCQOI'Id ina;redieat, whic:h is in tbis chamber. nc:o-er ha-t tbcte bc«< ri'IOI'e of at1 lmbalaDOe in tbt ~~r:~ta1Mm at different llre;u of the couolry. Wben you Bet an imbe.lanoe in fcdcn&!.provincial eonfereoces without the two senior govern­menu historically being. a cocuuerbaiii.I)Ce to tbe. feeS~:, at p rd• ~..Cc- and then get a dh::tortcd l'h)Un of CommQflll, I he sitl.l81tiofl bccuroes even more diffJttdt. As w~ aJI tnow, Conserv~ujvtli were shut out of Qu~bcc arwt tberc:by do not get tbc rtJic.t:- afl direet.ly 11.$ they ihc;mtd. On the QCher sil.le of the coin, "''C6i of ' he l.a.kebead, tbcre ~re th06C t.,.'O looeJ}' outpos.ts with a me~ cwo members on the goyerruuetll side .• also unable to glow a dear W>ice from the west.

i'he sovernment doe5 not bave wcsteco repre&MtatiOfl io iu ca.xus. I ~}'this with all respect tot~ scrtatOfs wbo uy to be .wrrogattll but who canoot be bc.-cause they do not have «t face tbe pe<~plc ~&t cl.ectlon time. MMt of tbem are CXH~verts anyway, •nd therefote $l1Spoct-lhe Oi~os al)(f those otber feUo()'lt.•$.

Speaking ol Senator Olf;oo. the Minifltet of State f<w 1;1.'0• nomic:: I.>C\"Ctqpmcnt, tc:cordina 10 tb~ YOI!nQOU\'Cr Su" f« Oetobef 11, he sajd in Edmonton that be does not favoor Prim~ Minis-ter TNdeau's COIIttitutiooal a.merMiing formula. He !laid. ·•My petsoaal prc:fercn<:t- ill thi:· Albetta prOpll!llll." That is another •·bode tbing wbic;:h the Prime Minister .,.,ill have to tackle. Ptrllaps at some time a prime minister misht hnve s:aid, " lt is time- 10 mi)\'C unilateraUy ... Perbapt in Mr. l)jefenbilkCJ'$ day in 1958 wben tlt<re wue 208 members. SO from Qtlebcc oo tbe g<Wc.rnnltnt sick. a prime mi.n.ist« not rcs:pcctful uf pt0Vil1cial jurbdk tkln mitht hart said bt· bad tbe trO(IJ* witb rt:preseatation from 11.11 $ides and t:ould therciQt'e m<Yo--e uni lll terally, Hoiii"C'\'cr, if there was ever o time w'hen u.ftilateta.l actioft should not t.ake place. lt is wben tbis. House of Comrrt(llfl$ is u diJtoncd aJ it iJ ~in represenliltim.

• l i HOI

This-ls cwnpoundcd by what I $llid e;arlie:r, the pbenome:ooa v.oe see in this oovntt)' of "one-paper townt~:' In 1.1; one-paper

Oet.WIS. 1980 COMMONS DEJIATI!S

town )'Ou !'tt one-type ol' editorial policy. ln a Of'leopoper to-.•n t.llc ~gc doe$ not pc ouL Here •e bavc tbc oe•cr tide 61 lltc coi"' • .,. teteorilion rot ru.n.ipubdon t.btouth l ch<crtistna. w~ an ki!IOW U..t tile tc:lewW. mcdivm is tile mn~~~ac. h is -.y aood b pnlplo,P .... Mt lt dou IIOt CCI lk ..... OilL \\1a )'011 Jd tkK "-ltoclkflu.. tbis Raw ln ftoekratMI. yoe tu.n to tct false aod0111 abovt what this cowntry k all abcMit.

The Primt-Ministe-r ,..kl ~r tele"i1ion t~t ThuF$Ciay aig.ht. WC l hQutd IM,Jt ~VC t1 Gl)c<tetboafd 8Cr<W& thll COIUII ry. The hoa, member for Provc:tlc.IICit (Mr. Epp) OO!IIf"c"tcd thut ilt tumt ol out history ud aodalfabric:. .. ct.«ketbl.»rd'" is not a ~jonuiYc word. The rnflty if tltd; wbcm you JC'I ou.uidc ot Ouawa, wat of cJw: Lakcheld or l.to lhc: deep cast ol Atlutic: Ca..da. it is: ooc a dlcctcrbolird t-1 a mcu:k r11 ~ r,_, •trucat OOra:atric$ wllo beft tu.de tkis OOil.lltl)' tile wty it is.

1"1lc« is no Q)' ill • •Ct. tbe Prime MiJ~ulct Cln ~ al1e the Canadian ptN(Wialhy rrom co.,$.1 to~'' to produce lOml! Slilpttbcnl\lln 01' Canndiuizcd individWII. We are rrom wc.ry di«ercnt rqiollJ.. Oil'ferent arou.ps ol new Cn~»di!l ltlf 1\JYe rormcd tbc vitality ol thoolle rc,&iOIU. You dl> ni.JIICC honlOf.CII )'.

The Wholl: im.u.lllr thint:i.n.a or Ouawa .... •hown by the Prime MinisiU" on thlt Tbunday a.ipt wktl he Nkl wt do'* ntlla c:h«:t erbo.rd aod lhltif••bytbae ricbH "''* apply to C"o-cfYbod)'.

l.d vs loot at~ ol fi&b.u.. T1w:re ill • double ml!dard kre.. I will hOC eo too far (loo.·" lhc ro.d, ben•• the M~bject. does ~ i.n\'Oive fi~ at rnuch u man:r sinet:l'e members attad tho • ·ay • ·be> ;are from Quebec. However. there lil • rut porodux wbco )'OU taJk ubout ri,&hiL Some me.mbc.tt ac:1<111s t he ... ,. have m:tde <ttry imp~~~ioocd spc«.he:s 11bot.lt freedom •het~ it coma to ria.hU.. yet M ftftllbb ol choke for educ:a· tioa. Thi$ leads to a doubk .w.nd2rd. I just t.ltrow tM obicml· tiollo.t.

la lenns of the amend.._, fonnda. my lcadtt aid there. '¥&1 a ckwbtc &:taiKlatd. I ay there is a triple aa.ndard.. llKn is ~tnlllte:ralact~ lOCiay If you an~ the Prime Min.isttt, lll'la.n.imi· ty ir you: are am01:11 the prcmioert fOf the DCXt two }C.Jrl al)d a referendum for the people wbo are tiOl pGI'I of thuolll On·t l'llo'O JI'OIIpt>. Tb«e is a uipk ttondl&rd, &O let ut t1ot talk too muc-h t botlt.t.landards.

I lu.ow my time is rnoYil'll very qu.ictty. However, t.lwr~ ue .. ._,. tlliCIP I wwW lite to a)' iA ler'rl» ol tlt.a Wll ol ritliU.. \It'll& tk ...... uae o1 a bill o1 npu il ~w. 1 eu aoctJII. I htvrt ,-ul apprcJIIMNoe aOO.a tile ~ ol Mltt:ldlmClll.. lbere it a usare ud dellliiOft tlot!t with tl'llrt:Mhmccu.

I have llere tbe ~on1titu1IOftt of th~ U.S.S.R., CuM. Cllile. the German Democratic A.cJNblil: 11Dd Eu-1 Germany. If I Md lhc cime 10 tu.d the< ~Ion• I bave ou.tlined. )'011 oa·()uld hoar bcllu.tiful pr1lliSe about the rishu of pt<~plc., cqu•llty, '*&eaves. cltoppitl .. j•dicUJ S)'SIC:IIU tbit 're perfect alld 80 OIL Tk mas;t -.ati!lll bats ol npu ate la tbcse c:oasaht~tloM. tlowcw:r. tltcrc " tllc: w-...,e ,_rs4cb lhat ,.... more onc:a sec • • tal~ bill of ri&bU [a the consti~tfonl ol tOC.tilaria.D pe~t~m«~t$ tbao in otl~er pe.ru of the •u-td ..

1'h~ CQft.11ill.t~ itJ~t Solft IN!II. I\h~ Hear, bcllfl

Att 11oo. Mt:.-.r. J.st like Id• Ami ..

.Mr. ,...._1 .. : n.e hon. member Kfm IO tbe United St-11 tta. Did tl~t bUt or rightt. betp tbe Jaf*llde Amttkaas '"1 mot~ thalli JapcaMM C.fJadians • ·bo d MI no! lul'oe 11ny'! Not a t all, TRk.c: our bill ol rights. 80 e11lkd. fifty-one rears apt t hl~ moflt:h. • 'OIIU:n in ta1.is country Onllll')' rteel~ a COOl!;titutioMI 4ta.tua. Wl!C::II Nelliie M:urplly WILt IJ)t!Ointed to the S«<:atc, A wom~n . ,. fi.nally acbowledatd t~ be a pcl'liOtl and ~Jd llacrcfOK be •ppoiated. lht.il tbl di!M theft were no wC)fne• i.o lMS...M. Tllcy ~ Mll per-.

1lK S.prCMe Coen of Caaad.t relMod to IICbMw;lecl:&e that womm were poople and could be appointed to the< Se:Mtc. 11 was tlte l"riYy Co.nc:il or &eland 111hk:h made tlte r;;,.-1 dedsion. Now 1hat riabt of appciLI hu been tal:CA aWlfly. She ....,., not 11 pe'"'n and th1.'Y made bcr a pcn10n.

ll'l\la.f~ if tMt $it~tioo had arltcil ""ith an entrenched bill q( riabts i_n 1929. 'Tbe Jut ral NMihutk>ftal cbt1g.e wu l11 1921. We ~Jd be in tbc JMrc tbat 1:1 troubli~:~s the UftiiCid Sta.td npt 110'11' witll tbc:il ERA amc.cllllalt. tryiq to aiiiCIIII a COIIIdt•tioa to fftde W0..W. ~nut~ W CI """' able to nub tlut ~pp:al to EqlaW. Bu1 n-ea wittto.l ~UCII t't!OOilrtc we oc.W M-n:: doDe it b)' our 0..'" stawle:,

My time it vc:ey limited. 90 I wUI oooclude ~CJI thou.ah there arc many Other t hinBS I would liire 10 aay. In term.' or the bill of riaht~, • '"-' 004hen me n1011t Is tltat another level ur &oftrn.IY'Ie.nt lt beinc cstablilW whk h will it'llet))fet tbe ri&hu.. I do not hilw lime: to rnk• the ri&bu. CapiuJ punillhmeiH wiU be atrca.tt N 'tiJill tk np.u ol11aioas. WiU tMre be boy~ • .. airt. llliscd basltctballlt:IJM. bca.- there is 1110 &.cn"'l· aatioll bdW«<I the sacs? Will rcJ~ RiD be CDinpll_,.. ia t!WIIy c:a.tia at ctJ18,i• l.fC*l Will the Striate c.o o. In perpetuity1 There ue maray quoado,. which •rise.

What b lmponarn ls tbat )'(IU cannot revise the oon:Jdh1tion unless you rcfonn this Ho~,~;.se or Con·lln(IIU. lt would toke • Ion.& time IO OOOVilflot J'I)C lO JO ,Cif c.nl"'..cbmCAt bt.-cii.I.IIC under ou.r .tyatem 1tl tbc: momcnl, we do tiOt have tbe. other iolft'dte:nt tht ClOimC$ witb cnuctK"hmcat, • kp.J:,ui<Je sa.-.:bon or f'C'tkw ol jud,a.. Do .-t waa1. to to tk Amcricaa ••J alld dcd: ou Judp'! Will ,;..cJaa •• kaM eome bd'orc eoMC c:::ommiuee of tllil HQIIQie tor qvc:scioftlna! Uobs •e sa.n eo bamme.r thkoul, we .. m tee a rc.al m1natiofl aab plaec~

Tbc Soctttar,y of' State is nat here·. but ocher 1aink ten beard him say at tho rockrlll· provincial ooofcr~ncc th.al those wbo l&rc asain111 rlahu mu•t lie in fa~' or the pru1ure klbby. Oo )'W want to lhiJillt· t[glw. ()c do you • ·nnt to exetcisc prc$$ure ud talk 10 your membu or Patlia.mc~tt? The minister Mid aa the tcderal-JfCI"illrial ooa.(u«tCt tllMt.t the opc.ioe wbeo .. Iliac abollt ripu h to litiple ar to iobb)' MJus•·tt to U.t il.. ll ,.,.. aitiJt.w: ,._ Un w pay a law)-cr. wa ,.,_ lobby. the ~t•rc hla • e:haDOe 10 WCMCI Of! ttle problem )'OU wellt e1t.an&c'4.

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7M CDtutitMti{)tt

How many Membcn opposite aPJif'ICiatc tll•t th.c H.11.bas CorJM!t Act ur 16701 the Bill of Rij)lta Act o1 161'-

1'1111 Acliq:S'""r (Mr. 8laku)l Order!

Mr. Newl111: In ()()fldu3HJ.n., you do not tNlkl (or the r11111re by ~l:'kifll fai th with lhe petit a11d by umltteral aetiofa. Vel 11'1111 it what it bein& done.

So.t .... ~rs: Hear. heart

H.-. Allaa J. M:.eUcke (Dt,..eJ rwt .. MWit« aM M:w.tn- tl r-IIC.'If): Maclam Sped:.er, h it eo ~r (or 1M

to &ttc part ;. lltit dcbarc aed pame.tarty to u~ lite OCII*t••Jt)' to f(6)w t.be t.o.. _... for A._polif Yalley­Huu (Mt. No.-lan). Maybe lator M •1 COMrnaU I "ill touch ·~ a ~~u:mbcr of the poitlu wb:iom lk ~n~dc: tn •i$ -t:pititcd lntervaatioo.

I fl•~ 11ttemptcd to follow tbe debate from tbc bqjoaill .. 11 ia an intereslilll debut~ For the m(llt .,.,.. ll t.u bcal a actiou• t tlcmpt by members of t he llooliC o( Commom to dui will• • fundamentally important motttr, I hope the eonc:h1.~ion <w the OUI()OillC of thii debate will pern1h u8 to bctin in a OOIMlrcto "''*Y the pr<'leeU Cl( oc.mlltinniol\al rcJ'twal whJd• 'f.'t PfOmla((j the J)CC)pk of Quebec in tbe COtll'fC of the rcl'crendwn and Whicb. i11 my view. is in. aooordali()O with t he deep wislla~ o( the Cantdlan ptOple:.

8dore d~ the mo~ioa prt forwtrd by lite MIM~tt ol J•b alllll MloGta- of Su.tc for Soc:ill Oe•dopitud (Mr. c;.,&Q) I wwJd like to cxprea 10 lli• •1 •ppr«iitioa few tlloc dlf'rgft 'II"'fft IIIc d.id to the: Narst oltM swnmcr. 1 tao­llc ia diN.ppointcd Hut i1 cfid '*' kl.c tiM LIII'M ra:w.k Id tk pt'C'Iioln camPilil• io wbic::b he pardclp~t.ed. but 1 am «.Wtfi. dent tl\at the COIIStitllllion:al discuuio• bckl tllh t.liJitri.C:t • ·ill cvcn.tu•lly bear tn~it,

I "'IIIH to di.sacrce with the cut and lfl9t01Ch ol the fwn , Jti(Utlber f« An.upoU~ Vallcy•l•lanttl, I diJ;ltrce with tlirn that Parlhr.Mtrl l In the pre$Cll t circum.stanca li~Jid 001 be n~cd to ac:t on this ~ry important rc:solutWMl. In ftct, I believe Pltrlia• ment hua duty to act and h h.as a duty to aet IKIW la ordet to brin& home tbc eom.titution. ie order to cotrtnoh la llae OOfllltit"lio.! (un4a.mc:otal ri,tlu and freedom. of C.n.dianl, lrt ordc:t to c.otrcndl ia lbt cc:wtitutbl the: priftCiipk ot cquaiita· '"*- thari.,_ ud aho to xt i• 111011• a prooc!d•re w~dry a ddlllid.-c ammdlna romnda cu be ~ anod thlt. too. c:•tRfttkld la tk ~ palliated COMtitudo-.

£.-.• t11t llloa. member for A.NW~polit V..ttcy.Huts aarud tb.ll it is MCa$1.tJ to pa_triate W COII!Ititutioa ol CU.dl. 11 d; tlmpy noc normal for COfiStitutto..alll~U of thlt co.nu1 to be the law• of a fordan parliament, Thoc llbfNiifmal altuatioft is olwio~y humiJiatin.g (Of Canada and it I• cmbtmlluin& (Of

the United Kil'lgdom. We :~re- all tonvii'Cc:d thll.t tllis fina l rcnll'lllnl of ((Jiuni<llli.s.m $1M.Mlld 4illappear fti.)Jtl th~ Cal'ladlal'l politkt~l ~~tene. All political part i~ in the HOUJ(l. of Comml)lll4 and ILII prO'fincial governments a£1te with thb a~pcct olthe .-ohHioR,

There ill ... klili:J'y "CC dAcrccmcnt on t.bc: prlneiple at litlkc: lbcre may be d ... areemctlt OR the prooc:durc. IR fact, thte hit beeR ' " it~terodnaahlrt In the dc:lbat~ not ooly in tJ5e Uouse or CommON ~~ amon,a tht- pr<Wincial ptcmicr.s, away fl'4"'' suMtance to prooc-. 'r'h111 to rne is a wry importl&nt dtNe.~oent.

1t is ~I")' • IIlO to 11c.t tl<e on •n amendi11g formula. E''C:I')' state. m\Jiil hn~ tCMnt WilY q( cl:uul,Si~s its fu.Dd:amental a. .. , a11d it is obv-Ious that Uli• lllqllircmcgt is. even more impon.a•t ill a fCiktal ,.ate whtrc -~ corutit:Lttflt ~ru. the prow-iiiOIII aDd tk federal pcmlneflt. m•A be- blvoh-cd lJI the C~CJ~Mtit• rioul clufiPS wtlidl •tfecs all o1 -..

Culdia• ..... ~ .. lioMJ dilaqc: *r ...... ~ tioul t~ ud they Qlll- """"~.kat .;u.,., aa ~ '(Jf'lll•b.. ibt il • •Y la ftl)' Tiew h b IIICICltSS:I.rJ for ParliaMaM to let U -wdl 011 II'IIIWIHdilll foflnllla.

lt is n~ry altO eo entrcrKh (ancb.mmtal rl1hts and frecdomt.

Aa IIH. M._ . .. ,! Wb)'?

Mr. 1\.bcEa.c:k• : Ooc 11011, mc.mb« a.sb why. lt Is 1ny view lllat the Canndlan flC'OPk!, perhapt for deep rea10011 I)( thdr own. maybe deeper thllt 'ltr'e •11 ~;an undentand., want to haVfl their fu:ndlmenUII ri&blt a..t ftccdornf protected and &usnl"" tcOd by tbe~itu1loa. I nrmly bdiere that thi$ i$tbc wisll fll lhe Ca:aadla.• people.. ud I bd~ it is tl:tedatyof ParliatMM CO re5poad 10 that wiiJl ol !M ean.ctila peoPc.

s- ....._M...._,.. Hc.r, tlalrl

Mr. ~luf.M...._ Tk raohltioe IQOII'!Cd by the Miaiuu ol JtitLoc pnwida: for a C.udiaa chancr of rilbh and frO(doms bindi~ upoe hrtdmcM, all pf'O'I'indal lq,:islat•ra and •11 JO"effiOWIIU. or COU"'C, the Milli~tcr ol Jastioe io his Intro­ductory lipcc<:h outlined in .ome detail lhe s•bftancc or lhlll chllrter 6r fl,&hLS and frctdonu. t-Ile .uMS: s- b•'e told • 1!1.1 l!ffltlllc:lal lttillalllrU llff bcl«r &blc U.~ (>""'"' ID prok« lk ti&lllt IIM f,..... of 0.Mdibl. lf lflllll$ 111111 (,_.,~I,. .... l<o Ill d~t llpQ~~Indloldii•l_,...,,"''"'"- 11tetc -lcl be> 110 1udo ~ • tlahl• •"' rtc~~~~on ......... ~~oo 10 • 11 C•MCiie.u. 1 tdiro• 1b1 c-dl~lll •llueo• cllr, li~ lnC ... d• ....... ., .. ,.(>(!M"* rl&llll ;ud ~

That litalcmmt waJ INide by the Minist« of Juniee. and I •EfC'IC· witll the dfon Ollflta,llkld 1• the:. rcsolutiol> eo llf'OW'ilk fiPlS aad rr-eec~o~tu lllt.l are CIOIRJDQIIIJy applicable to tll Caucfiaa ia eray PI" ol t.llil: COUUJ.

1 boor. thrt~t k a cue 1o be made fot prfilmcf!Qr)' 50'W'e«'C .. )'-<Iilon"e 1$ .o cloubt ablwt tllat. I lAw eltta Made the Ctie:, but I 1111 .... not becft u tc:llilopbtCIIic _,. memllrcnli ol the opp»ilion hue bee.-. oo this que:stioft ol puliamc"'•') 51)ffen:ipty ~nd tlM: riabta ol hrl ia.menL

Today hrliMmcnl ilaJ bc:CJI givco .111 opportunj1y to tk11l wilh this great c:baiiC118CI • nd Ofii)OfWtlit)' facil'll the future ol CaMda. The Pnrlhuncnt ol Canada: the: membctt or Ptulla· mttlt rcpreseRtlna 1111 I he j)O()Jllt ol Canada, httve bcc:n ukcd &o dml • ·itlt tbl• qve.cton, )'c:l memberS somehow .shrink IIW!t)' from that ~tunity • nd H\11 c:h~llcn.ge. I cani)Ot uMc:ut•nd

COMMONS DEBA n;s

tit. 1 ClltftOl •.&nland why -e Oll:&bt tO r.ll ifiiO I he lti!P *IJICIAod by pcri(Hii like Pfaoier l,bc$q~K, tNIIOmthow I be dtdod ttprcjC'IIt&dta. of dte pcopk. or C.na4e ~re "''ttaoq ,., ... Uc reput~ that last n.i&bL I do ..oc happc11 to be an "'!Uwa auy"'. J 1\aptJeR to bell f'Clli'C:IiCnl.ll tite ol the people or ., imporl.tnt pe.r1 or Canada in tbe provi.nce of Nova Sctltia. .lod I rqord fll'try other membt'r or Putllan'lctlt, 1101 a,: nn "otl.twa Jll_y••, but as a perSOn •·bo ~.been ai,·c:n 11o m•~•tc: by hiJ ciKI.Otl lo ClOflle to l.he P,arliamcnt or C.nadn and to ~ltcnlc: ill the Parliament of Canada. tJtd h happen&. by t«idciM and IIIOC by 1he irttrimit n:at.uc ol our mudat•, t!UII et. loc:IU.. oltheR ddibcratioas is O.taws. Let 111 hne eo llliiR ull .tb!Nt "''ttawa JUJ'S ... Wily Wtoi (tom tiN oppor-­-, ..... • l:dt lilil iMpxuat matter U. tbc hflialllltllt ol 0..00!

I ~ if I auy say so, M~. Spcaka, that it if abo .......,. to CJIItaliCh ill tJx 00111;:1·ftuliofl the pri!M'iple of r~~lllolludoa. Tht id<* of 'hlrina it one of the !110ft tiJnifita.ftt .. turu or C.nad.t tiMI of Cuadia.a (edcra.li~m. I hope we will dt~ytllii"' In Otlr po~w to flotrrish thoe OGI'ICc-pl or a>hlrin&. lk ~I ol 41qu.111ir.atit.m \Jio'hic:b U nq'l!o' pN.JPOk'(l in thlll mol~tion. s .. cca,l~ aovcmmcnts ba~e given •uPf10r1 11) 1111, p inc:iplc and it ha." led to an artay or rcdet~&l poll1.its 1100 )f'Ciflftlt W"Qh ~ rc.mn ptU or OU:r 11atiooal QOtUICIU\11,

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Fgr uamPc. If I nuy VK jvs.t one or two Aola titdCJ to allow tk ala-lfiCIIII!Ot o( tlili:f (lOIII(leJI', at pruc:nl, r~~at oq~a~lwdo.l, ,_,.., bml a ~tale: ud diuioet prcpam shier l9S7·51. ... fCiqM dufio& t.he- CUJ'mlt J'Clf toU:J dDtNI'ICGIQU la ~ .t W w.-. a.llllf ~J1QCilts to tile prow*- ff'OIII the folcnltrcu.ry Ill 1910-al will amo.otto Sll..S btlb

locaale I t*ti:nl: 11 is ;mpon.aut, J wiO me~~dOD aho &hat a 1flea ~ froquendy empbuiud by members ol hrliamc:nt ,ud •ny othcn d11rina the Qudtee ~feretldum wu tbc theme tl*ril! ... Jt il dto •uah noti.ng: tlutt it waslhcl concept • •hleh RICtl'od the wldot C(lnknsus aroon& the pi'O¥incll l ~m·

\,e. ... I wa 1111 to IJSUI"C the bott mem.btr fcw VorktOI'I·Melvllle (Mr.

N)'Jitclln), who ~.11pi'UK<I $00lC ooi'IC«n tbout tbc wordin& Ofl e~~ualllll t ioo In the tetOiutioa. thst t~ wordlna conrormt with )e j:fupoNl. u lu.&ntand it, whic-h WJIJ m~de by Ilk proYfnoc: 1l1f 8rlllab Col11rnbia and wflkh CIOUid ft'ry well lul¥c bad the WPf*l of tOme otlw::r pt0¥iaces.. c:on.uary 10 llis lmpru.~iocl ....,_ .-c ~ btoqllt fon.ard a fonn•la.tKlo ol oq~a~Jizatioe .. tidt '"' tejcded by flinc: prorillc:a: of CaM4a.

We an f....ty OIMMJ!itted to tk pn.cipk ol oqultntto... Wf • • ~~toed tM ia ord« to G'lal:e dite~n p.JMftll to ......,... .... aa: tllc IIGII. membtt f« Yori:lOO'·MdYilk impliclcl. We do .ot IICIOCI it. fndoc:d. to contin.ue the JlfOiflllll o( cq~o~ali· at&n. 8111 we do believe 1t i:t importut to en•hri11e thit tMCtpt In a COIUdl•t~n or Canada PO !llat 1harln1 will be an iqlon•nt ifl&rcdient or clement ie tbe futllte of our 11111io~l JH.

So• Hit. Mt...,.: Hdr. hear!

Tlw ONufllwtiOIIf

Mr. MI<'Eadit« 1ft my opinio. nit~ tor P&rlil­mettt to 8ct, tor tbt re.1110111 I have mttltian.t:d., to mf.kc tbe:te forward Slqlt in lbc way of Ctltrenchmcnt or bum.an ric.btt. l.n tht: way of scctina •n amcndlnt formt1li. a.ad in the way of embedding the OOI)Ctflt or tq\ln.ll:t~tlon In the OCifl!.'titutioo. h it neeeuary for P.11rlitmc:nt to act If t l~oUC thin.p arc. goin& tu be: done. 001 I believe I <l&n cauy the araumct~l furtbcT and say tbat it i~ \UC.CIU for PJ&rli11mcnt eo act bc:C'.tuk Pl:lrJiament b tlu:. only itlStituLion in tbc *ntry wflk:fl i$ capable ol and l'ai'QII$iblc ror t:n~i11tailli111 and •ptloldittg Caftadisn $0VCJ· eipty.

All ol US WCMIW qiCC. tOf UUipk, l .. t Parlia.Jneru mol act &o pro«a \lie ktritortal ~ty ol Ca.uda from IIDiliwy thtet.L All of A wwld a.pte t.hat tbc Parlilmetu ol C:auda s:bould aQ 10 prOicoct fbc OCOIIIIIftic ~I J o( c....4a from ~--~ by fercip ~ I SlllJ!;SCSI tlaat Otis fllDCtioe of the f"ar1i.-.t ot c ... ada is "01 a. symbolic fW!etlon. h it '104 ;u,.. a mira.tt th11 I am secitla. when I t1lk abollt tbc i:m.portut role oltJICI Puiiammt of Cauda. Wit~ the dToru of the Patllamut or Canada at t.he United Natto.M Law or the Se:u Contcre.'* to ~re for Ca.Bada be.ttc.T l)tOCtction tOf' our lishcf'" Md IO¥etcign rl&.hu over the natural rcsootccs or t11e l'()fltincrualllhdt A sill.&le Jec.islaturt 0t combination f)( legi•latuftl or e. Jlll&)c provincial &~rn· ment Ql' a QOmbiMtlon ot tbcm eoukl Mt. ae:b~ what waa adaiC"'Cd by Cattada in utvtdina Lbe jurildie:tion o~r t.hcl livirtg teliOU.n':cS or the ..a~ 200 rnUu ofT1bore. Tbat ns accomplished by the P.rli;a.nc•t of C.Nda attd t.M Govern­meat of Caaada .W•a • • wa 1 wlilkh e:ou.ld ~ he cmv.:bttd by..,. odler itwitutioa iD tW. OO.IIIry.

s-t -..l'o.1naknc Hcar, ltear!

Mr. Mac-~ I uL. wlu' lhou.ld tlw: hrtia.mt:flt ~ Cauda t10t be ask.cd now to act to ~«Ure Ca.aacb•s ClC:dl.itu~ tklwtal f!O\-e~ipty? Partiamcet b the Ol'll)' instit:ut~ in the: <:ou11try wtlieh represe.nll all C.n11dlan1 and also rtb~:. only one wllitll call rc:q-ues.t eoru.titutlonul ae:do:tt from WC$tminuer. Hoo. members Oppu~Jitc who beltcVC~ln the riJbts of PatUament <IU!ht t e) be ratbet plencd t l~t they ba¥e b«o CJ~lUed upon by the p-crnment at thi1 time In our ltiitOJy to rcinforoe the place()/ P.,.rtQmenl in our ll&liofud lire.

S..w 11tH. 1\t~:•Mn: Hear. hart

Mr. M~ Tbult yo.. )'(Mir boliMS&. Tll3t is vny !lice:

"''""· Mf'. Mlc(..adrc De I..Adcf' ol tile ~ilioa (Mr. CWk)

has Pill thl.t a CICieStit.IJUoa c:a•tt01 bt im~ uttitrarily o. tbi5 aatiota by OM ut4iridul or ~meat. Nil' Ol'le could dicaar« witlt that. ne <lOMCIIutloe t:atii'IOC be impo&ed by tht Prime Miatsw (Mr. Tntdc ... ) or by tbe minjsuy. Action oo llwl c:on:Milulion can be ta\en 01'11)' by tbe Parliame~~t or C11n.da, Canadians theMKI\'CI actin& thrcwah fbcir d~ rcprcsent.atiW;S in hrlinmeru. I nnd it Yc.ry $1t&nJc that at thi1 ~tage in our bis.t<wy when Parlliamoonl, whicll is tbc onl)' institud()n ln t.hc ClUUnlry • 'h.lch c:nn 1e1 thi5 way, is btintr., in a

COMMONS DEBATES ~IS. I* r.\1!' c(l#t~fitlilion

M:Mt, put oft cwrsc by commi!:ntll uOO de~bllt in& polnt11 by m~mbc" or tk Clpp(ltJtion.

Indeed. the l.ddu o1 tK ~ wcn1 • ru u 10 •r tr.t to do wtaat we arc eow proposiJt& to do woeld wa.\t'l tilt (tdmel J)-stf:m. I fi~ th•t 10 be • C'UrioiU • nd impojl.tblc O.rJument. I think il •·ould bl.l t•lflian.ent't (ni/ure t<t ·~ 'f''hich wo.tkl more utldermin.e our fedctal system " th& poi-nt in li•r~e..

S... .._. Mt:~ He~t. bcul

Mt. MK.f.a,elilu: I btlievc that ifHx Parliament or Cal\ldll, our m05t imponantrustional Jntlilutioo a11d the onl)' ll\'ldtution C'.IIIObk: or i1C:tlns (Qr aJI the people ol C•l\lda. f-ailed to •«. our aystcm or pu~tmc:•t wCNkllok: some or iu e:redibUity la tht ..Uq oltllc- C.udia• pcoclle. many ol ..._. aR ..-.fd. i111 .-hat is 1011\1 on a.ncf •Rlr~a wbca we are aoi:ft~ to mate JCJme procre-..

I aarec with the comme11~ whida ha'I'C ~en ma.ock by the 00tlllitutk11ul ClOmmittce o( the Ca..nad11n. Bat Aau<Nitiotl. wllic:h staaed tNt t Jic ttiUMCtl~nat o1 • biD ol ri&lll aM (tft'dolm .,..,. tltc'ft&tllta! our smse ol Cuadiu u.M)'. The committee bid that. clear .aatement in the ~itutJon or the lt~nodameni.IIJ va lu~ of Cal\llila, t he (undarncncal valu~ which C..n.adiaM shiJC. ahou.kl h~~ an lmport.ao111111iryinz effccl.

TM Premier ol Oaurio rchu.cd eo U. AIM t.boeme at tile rne mi•ilacn' ClllirlfCf'CfiClt tCICUitJy, and 1 thlak. it • • 'Of'lh rcpeali:ft.& _.hac the Premler o( Onta_rlo aid at that time when oomme~~tins upoll the effect or cntrwchlntn <:ballet or rfa,hca. He said, ud I qt.JQie;

.. .. !.dlil •• ,. ........ c.._..,.,W) .... -._. ..... _ ... __ • ...,c:~ ..... -d!W..IIIhaec' .... ..... .. ,. I ll.&re<: whh that, b«a11se lr ttlc:rc: is. ill tbc coi'IScioiWICIS of every CanadiiA. the unsllabbk: ~vid.ioll tll:u ltis riabtt ud It~ aiC bqoclad umpc:rifll, an pr~tc«d. aM be)'IIIOd to.adl.. tkn ct.at etttai11ty i.Mlf'CII.tc:. the a,..eciatioft tithe ciii7.Cfl a~ the loyalty oftl\at citizen to the countt)'.

I bt:li(l'Ye • ·c hnve now in the Parliament orC.anada a unique oppuflliJlity tU ~t.t.ablkh in the '-"'MtitUiioe tlw 't'llll'CS WC aD sht~ umcly, the ripu aed (t'C~Cdocnf tiNI1 ,......, be •MI lirla¥'C bt.at •• imriMie pan o( out way ollife. I !0 on to say lhll instead of WI'Ct:ttni_n' the federal •y~ttm, w!Yc. we are dQJnt. in the wuy of mobjJily ti&hta, for e.t.lll!tple. will ~ttc:nJth· c.n the economk •n~B wbic-11 In my Yiew it alii> an i ndifpcn· ,.blc Pl«ofo..t n:du:Me. I wOIIkl add ...,, lbcCll~l!llof .. ....., milw!wily fiPU.. 111Mad of watdi.Qc lite (cckn.l l)'tU:m, will&tm~J.'bcft it by 1ivi'l\& Ca111.dja1111t the ri,dlt to ICod their children 10 .5c:bMI i11 their own off'ttial lllnJUlt·C whe~ there are $t!(f'tcic,.t numberll ur c.hc n1inorlt)' laJiat.il&lt to juadfy a .scOOo&. I do 1'101 t•ink tllat ou..r (cde,.l•ys:te:~n M .t4·roft.l it our llnpaac: miaoritics .,~ 110t pnl(«tcd ie on CC*Itit•~ tioll. How a.n ae)'CIIIe atpo thac .wdt a •tcp is IJOiq to -ul:e.lt Canadillt rcdc:ralbmt j( de.tk witb . probltm t in t hat lOO& been UBottc:ncf.cd and I will rttum lo l.hat In a n)Qincnta.s well.

Do Ml tcll me. Mr. S~ke.r. that tll is propott.nl will • 'eii)CIII our ffdcnl •.Yit(m.. The propoMd raolutic>«< wdt rciftJOf\'C fcdcraiM ti • c:U ..,. ~~~ tile c:omtit•tiouJ pt,'llitioa ol the prori.cu.. We hlff ht.ard IIWlY ulrlppy, ~fal statmenu. •s if tbe prO'Ii~tUS •'ere threatened by tbi11 tc$Oia• tion, They tre nOt thteatcotd. ·n.c oontJary 111 tho aue. Tbelr tODllihnkltial posilio" Is Sbalatbclled.. Few cum.l)k. UJtJ.it we churc the COMtihttlon... tile joint tCIIOlution ot the Roue 91 C.WoiON ud tk Scute if, tile ool)' r«pirc.mcttt rw ~it• tioft Chlll&e. UIMk:r the rc5101uticle, rroriMU will be DCCCSA.f)' partic:lp~nts in the prOCedure for constituti<Jnul amtndn~t.n l, aDd uMcr the ocwullitll tioR act ot l980, proviftCCII would ha.-c tbc riaJi t eo iaitiak amct'ldt~XtiU. No r...w aJWIC':IIdina fotM!ila -w be adopted wkklln tk PI owW:cs bdillc eonMitcd. a..t thU ..;n boc:ome. a kpl oYipt• u d win ..o ~er be btied Oft the Vl.licfity Of 'Whatewr C:OOIICfll lOM lm.Y C.lljfl,

The unanimity rule for a~roendlna the OOMtihlllon whidl will prevail fOf two )'Cifll will abo alv~ tbc ptO"ifled. ~ ratllcr u.roq p»irioo. 1 •clmit readily. w.t.ti_,.y, ud willto•t a tta« ol apotocy t)Qt lbe rc:tOtatio. pr'OI"ida. lot lllhOMI rd'~ d•ma. I would make ,ius~ cwo oburvaticmli on that tnlliCh 0\'Ctbruillcd OOflct:pt- b"'i!ioCid by the QPpo5ilion. Fin t. the propol'Cd pt(lOedurc would 1101 be in rotcc I« two yean aflcr Cllllf:ltncnt.. so that thne would ~ ample dMC deri.Jt& t.hl. period to read! •••a--~·t. if ~ a. u ahtt­ut.c •mcillldi.ft& forlfttla. Sc::ooed, o.t propo&al 1imply rd'loc:U tbe p•ernmcnt's view Lhat, in the Md, !10\'Cttl£111)' ~s wi.tll the people or Canada.

Su.t IMMI. M~ Oil. oil! Mr. MM.J:adi~N: I am rc:a4)' to take my ,t.altd u~bttc •

thk OOUII1f)' lt1 ~~ayil\1 to the JIC(IPie daat if a-cwcrnmentl, redc:.rll!l or provincial, tail after J1 terlou.s aM detetmincd dTOtL. I wouki be prcpa~ to afvc the rowlutioa ot tbll t ck:adlod: Of ru.,,... to che people of Cuada..

A• .... Me~ h doe$ OOIMY 1~1.

Mr. Mac:t:.dw:•: Thai is a IICI)' ttrons Libeul position to bo taken ec thb pmc.ntllmt.

Aa ..... Me ..... . Pha.y!

Mr. Mac:Eadi~M: I bdiC'•u.IIO that the raolutMIII will brin1 major bendiu t(l the pcopk of C..n11d~ . Lt11 Avaust I w111 invited to add!C$t tll( finolll c:YCI'It In the tJ1 rtJO hundred aCid icvc:nty-fi(lll .annive.tUt)' oelelwatiOIDf of the tctll.itl! of the AcacUa• ht Noq Sootia.. Tlilrn a...dtcd ud lle'I'Qlty...fM )UI'f ... the Ac:aditM came to my~ and 10 other ,.,U of the maritimtt. There we were ill • thririRJ Acadian corn• munhy. Ctutt.icamp, Ill tbe northern pare ol lnvc:rne~&J Counly, cdebriltlna what I lhoouSht wu a marvc:IICMI' Mnniveaosary bea.,. llctc wu a c.ltun JtiU tivioa. a b.AJr!N&C .uill s.poka. ud all tile auriblta of tile. ....... alld ~ They W sul'i'I'Cid j.$1. be.rdy-1 ClOIIId ay II'ICft . aboltt that.-(llfrCt the yu.n ud tbey have b11<f to s:u.rvive in n.ll tbwc years wilhin a f»li<lolly ttaltdardll~d Alltklpi!OI'ICI cdiiCati«taJ 'YIIItm. Thll it wba t ba JIIIC'Md.

1 I

lp: • .;;;;,':·;';",;;l:.c;;; kc Mr. Spc~~lfcr, I wunt u• &ay a •'Of'd abouc whkh, while ol 1ttat lntcn:st to Cat1ada as a

J)lltlicultr intucn to t.bt Atlaetk pr<wioce~~, telOurcc QUtl1t1on. The NOP Ita• indicated il$

MOtlilfl ckpc11dina 0«1 w11a1 we do oo rC$0Ur<a.

Al ... M• ... r: Noc 1U oltlltM.

Mt. )t.tr.h c I .., 10 my old rrieM and my ywq; ,._. Ck .._ lhelnbct (Of Wiaeipc:t North Cmtn: (Mr. ~). U.l lk NOP lililve ...a' .-oppcd tndilrc-tJtt: puty e d \nl&a. , ,... awn they arc ..,.ia. l"hat is :aR riP•. ~ et. .......... -n• .... patt.iadat aspec:t ol tlw k....-.. ... I wtM 10 •r a •'Onl abow lk qucstlco ol tiMotc fOOM)O.. ()uriq lk comtiiiJI-1 tllb tlaiJ $VliUDCJ

.... .,.. t.bG f*rtillfl'ldlc.&r')' ckbuc it hu oft.c:ft tee. s*

... l.bl.t arriJ!orc IUOI!Irtel thoukl he trwted like ~ fQIOUI"Cd. WMI tllk CIOfltc:fttiof!Jimply iporc:s is tbat olf.shote JQOUr\lCS 1rc difTcrtnl. Tllrou&h illttrlllatfl'llnal or~uioae CaiiMII tcq•iftld ror tU C.•tdlant, not only (or tbc resickots

~ •!.~·.~~~! proriftetll, IIOVCtciJ:n rigbts Olo"'C:t the cotltioct~tal the puf'PO'C or CJtplodn& Jt a.nd upltliti:n& lu rucurul

1[,~~~! I emphatiJ.c tbo fact thut Cll11.1da's boundarie$, tc:rri1or11 hit$ '* been or tend~, AtlltOVISil th~r~ 11'

ptrtOIII t nd ttOOIIII ••llo believe Canada's boundaries alllf lmitury n.vc bccln utellded and that t.be~fo~ it &i,·d ti!S n oppothUill}' 10 Cli iCf'ld tfle bound1rie;s or tbc provinoes. Tbcre cart be no qud41on of extetldln! the boutldllrles of tbe: !IN"iDOQI ,ti_m;:c the bouncbricJ Of tbe <:OOntry all a whl>!c iuvc ftX been cll.tended But we hllvt. ~~£11 riahu 0'/CS th<: toncl~~tlttt.l i.hdf for tiK pupoac of explotilll it a.nd u)lloitiag Is •Wn~l rai.IUteo. .....

b il i.c.crotkla 10 ~ that a t tbot: tame t.br.- K\"Cn.l ~"''"""' uc al).ttfq: t!Mt tlllty dlou.ld ~gV'C' a:wnpler.c C01DU01

offikn raourca. the lfllerMtioN.J coaunuily Jw; -.e~~ d1t ~ ol .a.rifll t.M wealth ol the IU.&h scu: .... aJ CIIIJUitrie&. aot a.ly &IIIOftS CIIMP-&1 NCC$. While all 1\r praaictl ia C.M4a ~ appart*illy re-jccc lhc ..000. We-.. otf.ttor. l1 pan o( elK huitatc <11 aD C.a .... diam t!le CI!Upl clltk COI'nmotl lmitlJe of mtn.ldftd hat b«a aeotptcd ill~n~~tKMUIJ)'. at far as the lrutn'latloaal seabtd it ClOrlelerncd.

T.k c-ritutU.W s..t ..._ ......._t'C Hear, lilcarl

Mt. Mad.Aek« Wlut •• '"-1! £1 is a fact. ud it G irooic »well &I I y lQ ao1 1"1~ tlrlt itH UClqlt to AY that Jivt:a lJie ~ sitNI.k'Mt ba Alhatic: Caaada aDd dte imponaoce of offdlorc: miacnl racM~t<» dew:lopmeet for ahc t'C$ideots ol that rqioo aAd 4cl:pltc o.r kpl !)OI'ition, the rcdcra) po::m.­rntft.t !WIIftttM'"' mack what I oocWd« 10 have beat. • 'fCI)' ru!I(Jnabki orfcr 10 tbe coanal provi.II(U at the tin~t ministers' co.nfc:re!KlC. Durilll the OOtlttit•tkllnllll dl$c:uMions tbe foder.al g<WCffti'IKat propo.ood Uu11 11ntil they become affiuetll Ct~e~sta.l l)roYi~ t(()Ch'e the tnme kinds of rc¥etiiH:S from offshore re50UtCOJ u are dcuivod by pror;ii\CC'I with o1'15hore I"CSOUI'<:<Ii, Afu:t th111 point the rC'\'CnVC$ would be jbafl:d with aU Canadiam.

1'bc l'rime Mi~titter did aay durll'l& the r. ... c minis-tett' oonf«en~lld I llli11k lt ll1 •'()fth "Jito.li!\1-tbe followin& Olt tbit point: l11o fcdcr11 l Jovctflmc:rtt bdievc:s Wt whca a pnwince JWWi wallhy enouah to •u.M on it$ own feet it stw.W thm bc'iP eo t harc lu weaiU1 • ·itb tbe rest ot llx tOU.fttry. TM!t it the •ltkltl f)( Caudl we are otTeria& to Cuad~lli, ooe 1a whldl .-c aU arc- ura.g by hdpinz ea~ «her. And tll~l it a.otkt ptOp(ll.itkr• I -...Jd be ptqJa~td to stud o. lfl ••1 patt ol CaMel&. ilk:hldiq my own prorinc;e o1 NonScocM.

s..-r, ....._ ttfdlkn: Hear. hca~

Mt. Mad*""* I do a« widt 110 say .uythlns f•rtla«. UCtf11 I wou W DOt lft.e Ulc; OCUJ,'- outcd by the fa.ih.re to qrce al tk CIOIIIIIir• do..._l 0011ferc:ac:c &o be ~~;sed to faaer ala&tioa ift the prori.cc. of Ncwa Sootia o. t~ qlMSI ioll of tbe ~~e bc:au1e- 1btre it ~ buiro for Wiklinc the fccli'~t.~ of a:lkMtiOII which .cem• 10 be c:mbalrkcd IIIJIOG at t.ht pre&e~~l tln'le ln my proYiMC~ The fa<:t flithe mauN it, I hive bc-J'oro me «Jme •Utemc:ntt from I he Premier of Nov. Scotia nnd, later, from a memb.:r or the delqatiOft, .sayin.& th~t the ptovlnoc of Nov11 Sootia rccopiteS that tltc fcduul gqvc:rn· m'nl hll~ •n importanl rolo in llto ofr.thtlrt:, lhJI intcntlv~ neaoti.Atio1» have take~~ pl:~~oo boct"''«tl the GO\'ernn~m or Cal\lda a1td Ncwa Soot I~. tha1 there is a wide area or •gree­cnc:ttt ud tbot lbc province and t he 00YC111MC11t or Cat!ad u I''C:re cl01e 10 an llatccmc:nl •nd thal,. ind(C:d, the upet.,..lioo .,.._. u.prc:J~~c:d that an aarecmc:tlt wo111d be rcllcbcd. J want to Hf, Mr. Spcnlter, t hrou.P, yoo u. the Hoox of Com.moM and cbewb«e. spcdjna •*t the •il11a1~ in Nova Scoda, tlut tht. tt::uoc~• bk orfcr m.dc by the Govtttunatt d Ca_nada at the tirsA m.inbtcn" COA(eteece: • u w,eh tbt ic almost IUuhltd io ae •vecmcnt wit'- tk prorwoiKC of NOJ'I Sootia aad I llave oo dolllbt Oat tr .u the Gthct ckmcnu 1wt ra.J.Jr. into p~aa: Ulere WOfl.ld l.aYC~ bed 1 ck:ar. tirM •&tC'Itmlml becweea •Y pt011iacc ud tile Go¥ret....,.. ol Caaacb. We oqht to t.i:ld c.- lMI .._.._.- &Moo t-.c f•ten.. io Nora Sootia n thtt thu ant.rl •po~~ • lnrk._ at:lld unprod..:tift dJon to create aliautioa and ... Id \lP f'CHJIImenl ._...._. tbe Gc:weramtnt of Cauda --~ tlwrc .... buk ror s:d rt:Seat..m.tnt to a m ,

I 10e J am 4'*•iltf dolcc to 1he «~d ol ,_ time allonH to me ror my renutkl. Bdoro c:otld~tq r .,.W)d like to thulk

) 691 COMMONS DI!BA TES Oct.obc.r JS. I91t

TA.o Coutilwliott

-11nbcn: o( tlw lt01nc (CK Prina: me doK .attmtto. ud lot tiMcJir., M> ..._, I Uft Mid in tbi$ ddat~ I ...,.. ot"" ~mbc:tt -ib M~ •• opponeaity citJia AOW or in COfllomiuor, ot bt.tr o.. whce lhc rc:pon COO'ltS fnxn r1w: com.WC.lcle, to exp-ca liMit oPni® on this t iJ.iflliXI"bnt sat;«L Wll:u '*C art: dotq il ••'-Uta tbc P:ulia.mertt of Caaada to an <* thi~ relollllwticm btal~~ il l'l t.llc oaly institu:lioc it1 Canada that i• captble olletin,.. Wr: arc asl i.na tlx hrliamcnl of Caaada to act bcca~~SC it wtt Ml PQ~iible to reach an agreement wh" the pr<wln«t at the rlrst mlniMe:n '·ooatc~. Yeste.-day, a tthoc confcrc~ of pf"OYindul p!llmier$ io T()f'(lnto, it was. c~tklent I hac cvc:n che ten premiers could DOt aa.rce amona thcln!ritll'd.. Is ddatr«n~nt B!Mi IMedon to be tile pcrma..cm. formula in U•e OOnlltltutiunal field? We Sill)' na. We u y we ha'ie u icd. Dt'IIJic:c:mc.nt Is conti.nuin& and it is I'IC.)W time t(l rnc>w . .May I uy Ill ()OIICIIuti.oo, maybe a~ a footootc to irony. thlll I ~uld hardly belie" M)' c•n a nd eye$ thte nlOrllitl& wbtll 1 heard a~ read th.lt tllc premier& ol the proriOCC$ were !Oi".& to tbe eourt£, that t.M:y were &akiltJ 'lfhat oocbt to be 11 politiell.l &bt.te a.nd PGI•licll bt.ule for llle m.iftd~ a.nd Slipport of ''" C.Mdiu JMIOIIIc to the c:ourn fqr setdemcnt. That frotn a J.f"'WP who &.JfiiCCI for a wllok: !My chlriq: tbe firtA minktc.rs' ()(llftfCI'ClftOe O..t h .. ., ~~~ 10 tlltttit the r••me~~· Lll ri&htt .... ~~ ol Cu.a4iaru: &o l.he. COIItU.

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Hoe. O.nW 0..wt (I.,...): ~h. Spcahf. I WO • ..td like to m.t\ c the poi111 that I wdcome: lilt oppon .. ity to be able to ~k o. tJtis IRIUer. Aa; one who w:as •. blc to spead .scwnc lime thr0111hout t.bc •\l.mmer and. illdeed, cwcr the: blit

month or h•'O Of! thoe matta ol the coostitotion.. I 00 not mind A)'ina th.at h l\1$ been a ~TW~Jl 4ifr...:• lt lnsbjc« witll whicb to ckal from 011r •ide ol the fence. There are 30mc: !;0011 rciiSOM for thh•••tttlltklfl.

Flr..-t or all. motl of my wn3titucnts are eoooerncd ab<Nt job!!, lnnatlon. 1>11d1W.. peMions and medicare.. -rl14'e are the thin&' whlcl1 bother them on a daily basis aDil which .,..111 bother them In tbc IH~•r fu ture. They reallu tb:is and they want tO lt"'W why "''C arc 004 ck:ulin.g will! L11ese mauera. ~d. MIH:h cl "''hat tbey u~tood of the caJDtitvtional deblte et.n!C tothc:m thtoutb ditc~!IS.ions eitller by the- fcdt:r111l pernrncnt or tluou.ah dcbata bdweor.ft lhoe federal IOYC'"" ~nent and the provl.lda.l pttmkn. Much of.,. . .._, would c:ngasc their aue~tho•• ifl 1bolc dilC:Usaklrns dMI 1110t seem to brittathcm dirc:ctl)' ieto CIOINoickratioM u to 'What 155.-es are u suke.

The tldrd ret.JCN~ for the 5it-.U. it Wt the people twoeR !ICed wid1 • hat I cu Olllly eaU tlte S6 milllo. maa, tM MuUuer ol Slate for Mllkic:llla• tdi:Nn (Mr. flclnii~ wbo wu a bile eo &ate tk contaitut.ionaJ maum bd'Cift tMf. ClOIIIIIf')'

aod rcd~o~CC dK• &.to tk mcU liiRpiGtie tttmS Jl(lll!iQ'bk. &M kiocb of """"' wWc:• wo.ld tdl pe:acatC~.. cood'b:ka or aay ochcr commodlty .

I lu.¥C f~uiCI h lhd ~ illl 1he past rcw wttb to dnl with tlloc C<IMiituliiJOit bcawc the peQ9k i.ft the ridinJ or RC»Cdak. Jnd I woukl venture eo say in t.ht city or Toi'Oflto

a.cl ftld""P'P'rtu T Of'OIIIO. with ,...,_. I N-e beea i • ~ af'C n .. 11)' -...llda to ucknUIId th:u tltc:re • ~ to tk propot~l Wn muu lk qoe. lt if 1101 axrdy lltle dc$iR oa till r-rt o1 cwf)'OIIC .., twi-allome t111e coascitutioo.. Ewty Ca.u4 aa wo-W like t~t 10 l'alppen.. &u that if fiOt wh;lt ft an ~~ 1-t is o~tly whou tlrlc:y wue told wt ate doi111.

0nct OftCI p;U tt.ll t dear, U d iBtO tile CCIIUt:it utiul ititl( they rall1:1 u old truth:, whlch B th~t consaitutiom.are it~de~ vety ltnpotttnt 10 thttl'l. Cbanp to eullititutiOM cban,Jc tk N:IJtioflllhip between J)C(ll'lk, between pwc:rnn,c:nts and bo t•'CCn I)«<JJk u!MI 80¥Cirnmcnts. Unless tbose ehunps utt MOted in prlnc:lp&u upon wbi<:b we a.yc:e. tbcn we will •• .hft.vc eithe r .oc:i11l or coono1nic 5\.Jibility lt1 this country, Until we havo IIOCial and ecooontlc !t.ability throo£,11 tbe ronstitutiO'I '<l'6 will ftOI be able to de.-ladcquately witb probkm.'l related w inna1ion, jobl.. pendoAS. mcdQrc •nd all th05e thin~ whtd alfoct ~plc directly.

Ovrlna ditc~Kaloot wilb my COtltlt.itllltr!UI And other fiOCll'>le i1 Toron~o. we hlve 1 11 i&tetutina time becawoc we try •o remcftl' bcr mvell oltM: hiJIOr)' wt.icb we • <ere taught so tbat we c.• u.l'IICkm•IMithe fi"IIIONIJ. tN.t are before us and whAt mig.bt be lfCIOd for 1he oo.atry il the fvt.ue. Ccutitt~tioftal propoull caa Id w:ry oomplbtcd. bill the prioeiplcs bdMJICI tlwa IJI'OII*IIl ..... t.clccd. tdli.d • Colls6tvtbl of Caaada. •• '* complkaklli. n.ctc an rrte f• .UIIW::!It.al pn.apcs ,..... a...,_k alld orp.aa.rc: lilt QNd.t.aa COD$Iit:UOOft. I wo.td lik 10 ... .... u.o.c. rm: ,n.:iplu boanrK I W'IJ'U to __.,.,.

tlloc propoMh ftom tile I'O'ftrn:ll1iltM. api&st them.

ne""' prindpk • tllat ol ~a.tionat u..aito~~. 1 ~i.x. tid kca\IM 'ICf')' often WC (ortttthat \hc: fill! purpose iA J867WJII toorpfti'f;C a Mlio.al vnion. Jodctd.1he worthQS i.n the Britilfl NOttb AlnoCirka Ac:t Is DC'fer ••<:Onftdcnti.oow bot '"ut~klla", Tbcrc la eo do-1:11 t)gt wbea the British North America Act

wu or1•nb.ed (tom 1844 to 1867, tbe fat~r.l knew, Of feh " any tlllt, thllt 1hey were <:re.~ tina a t1ew nationality. tet me ofrcr • rcw tbOr1 (JuQCCIIO sllow what people it1tho&e d~y.t fth they wc.roe doina when il c:a1t1e to national union. D'A«Y Mc:Ci«H~I:

1 ....,. lof * IIIo 11",, , •hao ·~will k ,.... .-!la ~rfl'l 111 <!llr ,..,~ bul tiN t'Ufl!IIW. omc fl( C.•di•ll. _._. ll!c prdl• ot ~llkr fr-lo ••

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n. ,., Ol!)fiOI .... .,.., .. -- - • iod.bf,f ~ -"' - k 11)' -.......,., • hkfl tk lfVI1 .... ~, rru..-. -f'l'*>ll la eWt or ,_., ~ "-'-" ~ _.w be~ ........... •"' -~~e iMII a ,._.. . ....

A new utiou.lity cncant tomCL!liA& that hid 801 \!Xhlcd btf<W. ~ obrrio;luty diffcrcat (lOin the: old $U.IIU ola 8ritblt ~ Coto.d Gray of Pnecc Edward lsb:od said 1111111 i ' .,... 110 ~to forddl tlut t.11e day .,.Jd come • bca " wwkltah., pltoc: •~JK~q the oations cl the WOIW.

The bbnry bt OUI hrfiMlen_t abotttlds with qUCUidons to apbi• tllal we ~n: 1110t 011ly cblill& wit.b: the rc,;on. ud the pr.-IJ~CC~., lnclccld. u tomCOM from the otlln side or tiM: fiOt!U ,.Kt ... We t ic tnOre tllan tbc su.m ol ou.r pam''. This country is

th:U1 tht suo\ ol ilt porlt and tbe. first principle •-as unity.

I emplwitt: tbat it ons a tllltiotul tltlioo organi1td by One of tbe tbingJ whicb lxKheted me nbout t he ()(my old frkod .. tbe Mlni~ter of Stale for Mul­

li!ISu.mp:tion tbll t !Klolnehow the confedera· wllich we hnvc lived all these )Un

otbcr than Canadiam;. lt not onty me wrot~t. but because it is not ~lp(uJ.

people do 11()1 undcu-bl:nd tbeir ()wn histOC'y and if lhat i$ distOitcd. tbc:n it bt.art; 1he c:banoc: or people t.mdcr·

,.,,i.,.·hat tbe changes wiU mean to tbem.

were only cwo dlilnBes tQ the constitutic:m

l~,;~:~:~~i~~;:B~;n~'t~ilh~P~a:r.Uament al the til'l~ot-. 011e ckalt other ck;&lt with the n1une ol Canada. ,. .. nted to ~11 it the kingdom or

a.od tbc Briti:sll felt that this would upset the Ameli-50 they settled on "dOminion··.

The .scwM printiple is, io a .sense, aim~ tbc reverse of tbc boalusc: it dealt with :u entirely d:iffucnt reality of

"' "'---•• N()( on.ly •-ere we building a new n:nlo!131ity, but Vo'C

also making svre tbat the old aU~ianoes were mai,._ taincd and nurhtred. Tbat it why in ~don 92 <lithe Brlt.ls.b North ~meri~:11 Act <1ll the cxd~o~5il'C power$ of the pi'QYinc:c,; ate tistod. Tbe &CCOnd pri!Kiple is security or ptOYi~ial J'Cll•tn. 1t is: imporcant that ....-e tcOO&Jliz.e why lbe Fatben of Coafcdttatioll went tG tbu I.I"'Oble.. The ~ns aM province$ in CaMC.Ia b11~ t beir own p.~rttcutar rGJe to play, It is the &eMe

Ot idtolity which Is brou.sb• to tbe people living ill those rqjOM. I remember readi.n& an ~:U~.Y ~ne )'ean aso by Norlhrop f'r)~ ... ,.ho ••t~s loc.*ina at the mandate fe)f the C1nadian Btoodeascing Corporation at the time. The CBC is dwaed witb the I'C3fl0fl'Sibifjty of m;aini:Aining pro&Tllm:S in ordct to further the unit)' and identity ol Canada. Frye pointed 01.1 that for the most part unlt_y and identity ln Ca·nada are 6iffcn:nt things. lbat •why, ~iousl_y, means central but tden· tit)' i~ mM olten kX'l!lf.

lndoed, when il wmcs to the art.s. wlture. writina: music, 11-ritlna poetry or tllpt~on, there it something "w-geUible-" tbout it as fr~ said. lt needs a local environment in w-hidl to sra-. That does rw» only apply to Ca.nada. Thete ate. no ·American ._.,;u:rs·•: th~e are writers from New Ef1Aiand. writm from tbe llOutb, writas (J"OO"I Manbauu a.nd $01.11heto California. If one coes to Bri tian. the writers arc either from South Wales Of from some otbcr e.ccti~ . lmagitlation sbout the kind ()r culture in whtd! we !Ne il rooced in the Jc)c;l1ity.

t Attentiofl to dle <mferencc be4wceo these two principles: is t•ndamcntaL

The third ptiDCipk de:tb with pa.r'llam~tary ~mment. The pre~mWe sAys we intend to orsanizc in Canada a I:ORS1itu­tion sim.itat in principle to tbu of the United Kl.ogdom. People in t~ clays tncw what they mcn_nt wben tbey .uMJ "united kifttdom'". If one kl<lb 11 a bool caUc:d '"Tbc-CoMtitutions of N:uions"- wbith, b)' I hoe way, I picked up at tbe Cabbagetown llbtary. one ck:lcs not find Cua.da in tbere.

TJr~ Cmmituthm • (1 6}0)

Under the headln& .. Con~~dtut ions of N01tions", in the refer· en~;c to tbe United Kin.gdom we l'ind-: Magna Caru. 1215: Tbe Petition of Right. 1627: Bill of Rj~bas, !688; The Act of Sett!Ciflcnt, 1700~ AcLs. of Union, 1707; Parliament Act. 1911; Svpt"eme Coon of JOOicaturc Act, 1925: aad Statute. or WC\it· min:«er, 1931.

A number of ochen are a lso mentioocd. When people. :11 that time talked about tbe third pril)tiple. that « ins the parlia­mcnlllry :~ys:tem Or flllrliJimmlilfY t(Wernment, they knew tbey were talking about $C:If·g0'-crnmen1, free inst.itutions. and the Crown. That is wh3t il l'.lltant to them.

Most important of all. what it n~Cil.IU to them tx.lf"n:~rocd I be oumman law. The bc5t ddinitioo ofwbat it meant to them ibat I know of is gi'fen by Dioc:y. He sa)d tbat w·ith t he 8ri1U.h, and iDdetd. with the British pculianiiCntary S)I!Hcm, tbe lnw oltbc: eons.tituJiOn, the rule~ wh,ictl in roreian ooontrics ru.ttua.Uy become pan()[ th~ constitutional code, stt. oot the sou roe, but are tbe oon~uencc ot rights of indh·1dual~ l_L~ defined and enforced b_y the t(KirU..

What O;cey "'11!1 sayln&- und it i~ very imporant-is that in tbe common law the oonstitutiotl is oot lbc: source. of ri8btto; the constitution, in ract, it a IX,In$CQu.ti')CC of t!Mm riJbts already c~ti,;ti_ng. That mct~-ns. 1hc_y C~J~not be taken away. We do nQt ba\~ to be beholden to a federal &OY«I'Itlltnt to &fye uil ri~hls.

Sot..lloD. MciJIIM,~ Hear. bt1tt!

Mr. Cro•r.k: Th~ sou.rce of tboe.e rights is more than 1.000 years ()Id: tbe source of those rights. is. $01nc1hing Chill can be reoorckd in a constitution. 1t g.1Jb me, Mr. Speak« . to bear pciOJ)k sny 'hilt $011lChow a govcrnm<:nt is ttiving ri.&hhl CC) the pcopk. Govetn!UCttts do not do tbat; ri&hts l;lel()fla to people and tbey c;~n eitbcr be ~rotcctcd Of noc protected. That is the signincant diffetenc:c.

The. fourth prinelpk has to do witll the F Otcctioo of rialus. A n.oment ~~~I spoke-of the w11 _y the common law was deaJt with .and tbc rule it pl.1ycd in the parliamect:1r_y S)'Mtn,. Tbue has been a fol of discussioo sbout lllbctber it iil be.ttcr to have entrenched rights (If' t~mmt>n law rights. Pct$00ally I faWltlr com.moo la•• rights. Somcooc oooc said the cboice is. betweca jod~ a.OO ponticians, bl:lt someone wUt:r ailkcd: wbicb judge, • •bkb politician! Then: arc $(lmC politiciaM that I wouJd uust nOO othen~ tbut I wwfd IIQC, I think it is important to f'(I(:Ogni.:te that in Ca.nada we did oot settle solely foe tbe 8riti11h $)'Stem of COintr'IOI'l Jaw. 1!101' did ·~· adopt only tlle UYil cock in lbt trl'lditlun of what wu t_he~~ tbe province of Quebec. 1ft the old CanadULn wa_y, we llSCd both.

Tbc fou.rtb prioriple, the principle or the pro1«1ioo of rigbta lit dooe in t~ w~y$ in th.i5 W4.1nt.ry, Mr. Speaket. Fim or all, it is done through tbe oommon law. Tbc rights. or C.a.rn~diaos: in tbe OOttlmot'l Jaw are abo e:ntre~:tChed, if )'()U like, in the t.'On~S'it~tioB-in the British North America Act itself.

I am noc. a lawyer. Mr. Spcakef, bu.t I would re-fer yo1.1 to the SupreMe Coutt Repom 1938 wbett. a taie in'l'obinatbe court$ io Alberta I~~; reJ)Ofted. In a $latemcnt, Chic( J~»tioe Duff giw:t.

)700 COMMONS DEAA TES Oeaobtt I.S. JMO

nt COIUiiltubt

acdc.-c lO tk •'l•mmt that ao lolq: u the WOfd ""plfl:il.• nwm'" h lfkd •• tile COMlitulio-. l1tcn ,_ ha'fe the biR ol ri&hu-tlllc bill ol ,...,_b IM.t is 1,000 ycan old..

'T'IIC' araumc-nt 1~1 JOnw:lloo.to tbae is a split betwet• cnlrc~~Cfunct~t 1ftd commo~t law is tn art:i(QI one. Firs.t or all. we find In tk Britifh North America Act the anciau ri3J11s flrltl•~& thn.J~!Iwtthe centuriCJ or Cl)mmon law. $ccund, wbcn ~~•c wanted 10 dal with ritht.s wbicb •-ere pc~:utiar to tlw Canaditn Cllpcrlc!M:t:.. we tpclkd them out in specific tcetiom. Ylc. cntrenei!Cid dl<* tut wdl.

l..et tf'lc a,ivc 101nc cumpkt. Stetlon 133 •-rites ituo the eon,tltutton lan&wll,IC rigbtt with ~d to the F'rcnth ud CnaiU.h. Secdon ?2( 12) tnd A«:ttofl 93 deal .,.·ith re.li_gio~ riahu. S«cklc'l 92( 13) dcab whh ptoptrt)' and ch•IJ ri&hts. Tbe cMI oode In Q11eboc is pr<JteCted thruug.h erchnion by SIOCtklcl 94. Oanocrade ril.hts are AIJO found in tbe Britisb Ntwth Amuka Aec •• b rtpttltil.tatioo by popdation wbidl iJ gunor~tCIOIS by KC! ion .SI. An inde~t j.Siciary it~ s,ua.rsn·

t«:d br MCL'- H. A.n a.Artul ""Uon of partiamt::flt it auaru· tttd b)' 10t1KMI zo.

I ci1~ tho.t dciiKII!Ib bcQue it bot1tc:t$ me tht $OIJidiow ~ haw 1riod to d••• Ollrschu c. dat qoestioo of whctbcf we hJ!fOr' the ~ &.• or wpport tile. coats. ud entttd­*"' of riP" i•ao u.e ClOMC:it•tioG. ne uadicioe of du• CCIIIIlU)' k ta.t we do boUI a6CI bodl aft' de:ltly impon:a.M to u:t. n.c fe&WM~It ,..,,,_ priclcjpk of the ptGKCtioa o/ n,hts k: atw.)'l rooud ill two impcwtant ~tio..: the fim is ft!.Uh)' ud cM IICIOOftd k tteutity.

In tlle Britlilh North Amcrlea Att we 1it1d the l.ftCien.t bngua.tc of the Q11c.bcc Act or 1774, At tbat time peoclhe:

t•lbd about propcr1y and civil rilhtl. That ad is IM>W 206 )'C&fS o( P.p but I( fU&flLIHctS fr«doltl o( tdigiofl, legaJ fi~hiJ altd P~ll)' 1nd civil rishta. The $lime l.anauage was u9Cd in 1867 nJ •·u tdcd in 1174, I empbaaize those h~oriCIII facu., Mr. Speo•u. bocu1u:.c the)' o.re: a (Ut abovc. tbe argumertt thlll w'lul wen.-. d(l{n.tl~ m11kina the C:(lnlitilution ourS atld maldnc il work wllh tOmQ •lily tkJcao,

1'he firth aiMI final prindple i5 ti:K princi:plc 6f oon~nt aM ClOIUc:l'llttJ, Th011c wbo rud tbe literacure rqardin.& tbe OPII(ed­crstlan debate~ ud tbc wbole proocst ol coofcder.tion ,, .. Struck by 1tte f11e1 th•t 11 wM a JII'OCC$5 ol people tryina to orpniu. aomc:cbii\J toaclher i.n l.c:rms of the rdatkwlshipa bt:twcc.ft JO¥ctrlmCIIt&. They .5UJ1cd off with more thu UO raofutktm.. I"CC6ucDd lb•t number 10 106 a.tld tbcll lO n. Fiutly. it wu J*l f11to 1.11•. ht the whole procca. from Quebec eo Chlrloltdowa &o l.olldo.. tllt-y tried to fi.cl out aoc wlut diWdoct lhccn. INt what tt.cy cadd qrcc OIL That is "")' importan4 bcanc tbey were IIOC Ollly ~ c. tht rrsot. tions tlut we!N iato tbe BrilU Non.il Amocric;a Ad; lky wen autU.a a • .;,q. P*hal A)k a.nd a ...eiq~~e politil::al•r;td._ ,.., thlt hi. the c.~ .... tradttioa.

We •re the Oflly ClOunlfy in the wide 41 North a.nd So.th Amocrice, that did 1101 c.xpcricnce a Yiolcot break w1th its ~st. We: 11re the only c:o.~ntry lo N<Wth al'ld South Americ:a i.n whkfl there w•• no rc¥4,.utiOn 10 c:rc:~tc a comt.itution tUtd« whkfl we eou5d li~ IOi(tbct. Tbc toob of the Ca.n.ld ian coos:titlllioB

were 110t , .... tMIII Me& dnWII c. a •P. llOt 4~ the- I(IICiti

Wft'C .. nlt.O.. civllky a.fld ~ fial J;IYC 11$ consc• .. .,Mr. S,C.hr.

S... a... Me~ Hear. heir!

Mr. (.....W.: Tltc fundamental O(lCtating prinQple of this coonuylt e.audy that.

The.-. l'lave beUI many oho11P8C$ SifiOC 11167 but l~e rwc: prind plac 11te tM..'Cinx:k. They Are: fint, tlle principle or ooliaftnl unlce: 100011d, 111~ pti..eipJc ol ac:curity of provincial f!O"~•crf: third, tile prlncipk ()( the parfjall'\oCitUI.I)' $)~1c:m: fourth, the principle or tJ•e protcctioo o( rlahu.. aDd firth. the pri.JM:iple 6(

COnK-1'11 Rl'lfl CCMIJICftiiU.

No COMdtudoMJ cha!l~ alaould JXUl!l tbi:s House that dOC4 r~ol aOCIC!fd witb HJ!OfC (Jf'inC:iplcs.

Snte IIIM. M~ Hc.r, beor1

Mr. ().-..,; I ~INik~ uyooe iJl tbis House, or indeed U}'Of'JC' •ito it j•te~Uicd in QONtitut-..J eha.Jttc. 10 A)' tlut 1hoie priM'fpb .,.. MLlbt prillc:ipks that~ lhit eouMry 1'llq ate tile pri.dpk:s that pet'~~ t)is; COWlltr')'. let .S

...,..,.. t.lrtcM ..... tbe tcSIOh:tioe fr.~ r.k poeml!lllt•L Ytna.. ace .. ert ,.,. q~ ot s-~ out of .- ....s. 1llcfoe k .o 01e ie t•• cwali)"---dder pcoPc ~ ft uid ic­•ito don ecM WUI 10 IIITC tk <::005titwtioe awc..t.llt t.d lrloflx. If boo mc!Mbm wo.W take a loot a t the boot called •-co..tltulioel ol r•bliom. .. I bon'owcd rrom tht Cabba.cctowt~ libnlry, t.hcy wiiJ 1ft Olat Canada does 001 appear in it. All k:iflds or other COIUUritt are II'ICIIfioncd. Here is Cypnas. (M

in11tafttc.. But 110Chi111 on Ca.da. There R aot a Canadian alive wtlo does not want the eot~stitutioa l:»elt honiiC. The gO'I"Cmmct~t in lu ratoMion h¥J. c;~:pluJi:zed oo dt.at fa:lin!. What it 1\M dime ii:to gl'l'tltbe imprC$$il.m th:u all it is about is brinain& the con1ti1u tion budt. home. But that ill not what tht­gcwcrnmCJit ill 11bo\H. Mr. Spq•cr. tbc people of Ro.lnl" ridin,a, afld,lnctchjin.gly. the people or T<M'UtltO are bcginni"a 10 CIIICh on to t he pmc. They kllow there~" (~tr .oorestriotn thi!\13 haprc:ning lllan fimply brillgins d\e conRitutkln b:lek boii1C. ··-Fil'il. tlli1 rw:aolutiofl olf«tdt the .scoo.nd priacipk ol •be pr<KCCI""' ol the to~;U ri'y o( pnwincial powers. If one loob at the •~Milidill' form-.b-ud by the w•y. thc::rc arc • n111mM ot ep:foM CO ct.oo.c (I'Otft! ~is 011C • ·bieh proridc:$ l.ft oppot1•• flit)' (or ~ JlfV"IftCIC' tO ag«. If the ~~ tctlb' ,...." to .. triltc tk 001Hli1~ it cu. and i1 k-s k. S.t o.e ...W aM!on •....at lk propcAI cJw. has beea -* .-u. dcsipcd to crutc dMNM ud: di:sc:onl I teU b.oo. mcmbef'llq 1oo1t •• iit. .~liSt. as 1 -.,.. it otred tile prillc:ipk 41/lk sce.riCy ol JN'O'I'Inc:l.l pooitCB bcutNC it it ill'lpo6oed. T'Nl is 1101 the: fpint of 1167. 11 Js. ftOC •vced to by •oybody. cxcqK C)K. 1t is impotcd. lll;at it tM firM rcDC)III we do not li.te the a.mndifll fotti,Uia.

Socond, h crct.tcs two d~ of provin<:« iA this counuy. Not OM an)' mote. buti'IJO. MOit or all it sJfects tbc lll"est. Few

~, 15. 1910 COMMONS DEBATES .)701

)'tflnl the wan Ill$ aM•med th11t central C•ud;~~ •:.d lttattd tkm ., ICCOn6-dw ~ilileJl$ a.nd ., Keo!Mk'-ts prorit~cell. The tormwl" here, the 2S per «11l rule so called., mc011nt •hilt ~ .-.uc:r how much the we$! £r0"'"· no nlallt:r how nluch tbe pmrrinoc ul 8 rhish Columbia J toW&-1 "tc Urltid1 Columbia at an cumple-• nd how mgcl1 Otltatlo ar Quebec does not £N)W, Britilh Columbia or t}le welt will "ill 114)1 be aWe to staed rour .,qv..re with tbe two ceatral CanadiAn pnwineu. Th•t la the fact o( llle mauer.

s-r ..._ MHIItm: Heu. ~

Mr. er..w.t: Dttt: is ao otbtr ... , Mt ea• cbC'ribc k. 1 cae k l J011liwll i-. Ton.tot.hett is 11t11 c.c pc,._ I~ w._ a~ J'Ol' oulfllt to baft lA a011Mdin1 fom~ula whidl&ap 111tn ~~~ IWO kind.t ot pt'O'IU'I(ts. 'fkrt is OCit titld of ~O,itl«,

So.& ..._ M.-Nu: Hear .. bar!

Mr. C~e: To a<kf ins1,1Jt to il'liury, t~> thct~ araue~ th.at If )'011 Cfift'* IC-1 )IOt.tr way )'OU ate going to SO behind ~twerr.­fnC:fll:$ IO cteiU~ il r tferendu.m n~eiuu an h~lt b{a.ats j)tOblcm. What wo arc 1111yinc to the W'e$1 by this raolutlon 1st hilt ®I

01!1)' will h be imposed, eot ocly -.111 the weu be WICOnd clul ao mmu how much i1 arowa in popuiJtion. '*' third. th111 If they 6o 1'011 til;e what we do we will ootid~ • rt.fcrt.nctum on eur term• •tth Ollr moocy-p.t'Obably lhe Mi.nlt:tct ol Sl.l.tc ror Mll.ltbk•ralbm will be (•adPI& the ad.mllifll.

Wit• ~ 10 tlle pri»Qpk JO"WWIifll MC:Writy vi tJ1te ..-cu ollk ptOriiiCU .-e lla.-c tile tqllt.fizadoe rorm.aa. 11 il ano.ndi._, M kar tire Miaistcr of fi~ ( Mr. MxE.aclra) Wl u tiM>qJI be: ia~tcd it. I n (act, the. eq11aliudoo priacipk ia t..h.if CO.fltt)' wJU tomd.hht! oo which ·~ all aarocd. Ccrta.IA· ry tllot pt'O'tlnac I C!Ome from lAd u opport••hy to ,aj.,.. for yuu. I miaht a4d the~ are a b or other ~lnta.. 1 will Wlf'l~ to thent ln a 1n01neru, which would ll.ke u opportunity to ci~c rttlter tlwtn to reociV1:. T bc hon, !m!nlbtr fur Yortt<k'l· Mel.,.llle (Mr. Nyttrom) toucbcd on the mauer of equlllli)'.a tion. A principle wbkb waJ meant to brin& pNWincct toteHtcr i3 aow bcl111 ut«t by tbe govetftmetlt in tlllt rt110hadon 11 a cl11b to divide them. Th•t it the iroQy i.n •JI of th!t. I know •·ben it (l(lmc:t to the Premier of Sasta.td!ewan with whom I ptber the Prime Ml"bttf (Mr. Tmleau.) is ha-vi~~& dJICIII:Iioll&. t•at the Pfflnia" ol S.lbtcbewa• wiU 1'101 be bo.Pt o(f br ••1 CMCta.&oft alfectiA,a Mlwal I'C$CJIIUCIC:I O.IJ' ~ ~fail a COIIfC1'II tlilcy a.re 10 Sasbtcflcwu net. iadetd. C'III'J otltcr ,.owina. The Pft,.kf ol s.btc.hcw<l• aacl al otlrlcr ptcMkn from tk wat bow tky caooot ~ a berpla alld tnde ullantl raot~rcca f« ~ eiW«tsllip.

S... llaoa. MMknt: Hear, hear!

Mr. en....: The second pe-itaciple thls olferKb k tbc: ptinci· plc of the pnMoccion or riabu. I a m 511ft)' the Minlttc:r o1 State fat Multi~alt~fll.litm is no1 be:.rc because I hnd 11n OfiPC)rtunily tail WCCIIr 10 re~~d in the ToronroS111' aM other ttc.-.flllpc:tJ hil natoos r()l" 1upportins Cllttencllcd tiahu. He talocl In this House:

Tlu COtUtlhrt/(Nt no: cad of -.:h ..._,Mkt • C&.lt ~ .. (l,..,. lcpn. u ,.. UM!tf'•

0.-IIY· ....... ~~- ol"-11 ~- ..o....., 111 .. • eo ..,.,. --~~ IMH Ill C'al!lldJ.

T h:at b terrific, Mr. Speaier. I waot ,u h<xl. nwon,bert to lhink a~l tll<lt; lliUcr'• (.itrn'llny i11 1)(, W<.H'SC t hilln ""'C have b owo b«e in Canad11, Tht& IJ an ar1,uanent fot lulving en.tra~ehed riahu, by tlte way. I kapp.:ned to look up the cormitutlon or Cbilo aM tbc oonlthul ic.ln of' Greece. Tbq both have e• tre..cbcd riahta. and to did Nazi Germany.

Aa..._~AadiOdoetR~

Mr. ~ l'Ut h ba4 c..p. btilt I llklqill ""tbt is .,.rt tJit.ht politics cl k all.'" Tko tilt mi.adta made a $JI'CC<'• ill T oroeeo. H~ AilS thit::

··c _., •• .. lfuc._. 1111 ftl '~ ...,._ - '-'"' ...,. ·~ • t::.. AIN• • r--. •"" •-·-'" ~- ...... - .., ... ..,. "'""t'Y ~, ~ ~ • ,.,. .__ .t ,. ... , IMii- ... ..U.M ~ lwvor Cllfloc • C:.UIIII. We ked k tO aM Ca~~o.~<1~111 In ,.,_ w.try •11111:-lllal we 111 W~Cilll t ile • me llollloc ""lr.lllo;Q"-

Tbe ~nina this wu reported ( •:atcbcd on tclcviaion the! reactions of a number or people roUowina the slayita& ur 'i• t:itl.-,ens io lhe city ct1 011rfalo. I llite!M:d t(l Jcl>Se- Jac:kaon lalkinJ about the ptobkft'll or bl.c:t people there. Not oooe did be mention tbll tnue.nchod ri&Jill woold hclp them. Ue talked abOIH . &rCIII 11•mber O( Olbet thin.p tJut WOidcf help tbtm. If tbe MiMacr of State for MuJtiatltu.ralism $really U.tt:n:seod I• racism la T0t61lto, bt mi&ht wut to 611111 ou.t • ·iut Jc:ue J.cbota lAd to uy. To .- nttkm as a• arp~D~:at (Ot

ftltruKtled fiahu illict. I I il Net.. Mr, Speal:tt .

.s...e ..._ ~1eshnc Hcar. lt!O.~

Mr. c:te.IMr. Tltase ol "" Wllo ha-.e dtah with tJtt. J:W'(Ibkm for a kltlc ti.me. Uic the l*lr. n'utmbtr fCK Spu,diRa (Mr. Stollcry)- 1 bow how he mllolt (cld-

Mr. Stolkry: I rise on a I)C'lint or otdet. Mr. Speaker, Woukf the holl. na~mbcr permit 11 qu~don'l

Mr. Cre.Wr. I WO!J id be hnppy to at~twu at t be ct~d or my renurb..

In dcatina with the principle of' tbe protec:tiotl o( rightt ooe bu aJso to look at latl&lll&e riJhtJ, h JltltmS •o me ~~~~~~•cc ri&htt a.rc part ol tbt wllole diAtopi.e bd"WCeo Freed! Cauda and EftJiil;tl ea ... ud •••• lk rdereodut io Quebc!c w q

aD abou. So I ._.., •W.kr or Mt we still ha''e a bq: ... ,. 10 10 itt payills the debt fot e.t. coatakntioa btrpia. h seems ID me tlaatto~M of the a.Kice4 iec:qvitica, U"1"C aot beta cblt wU. I am itnprcacd by tk f.c:t tlla:t IIOl only doa PrmDtt lbcsque line no lftktUI iA siYi.flS: rcdcralif;n.­i.ndeed he bi u i.ntcrut In malii111 .,.re it doe$ not work-but C'loi.Mk Rpll,lhc latd« or the LibcraJ palt)l irlthe ptovh~~;~ of Quebec. W'bO (OUJht VtTy hurd tO m.akt: M!fC· tltal re<Jetalism worl:lld. b •l$()opiJ'MCd, That DII®JIKr worry.

• U&.)O)

With regard to ~U~th-e peopta.. l.f you read 5ee."lioos 24, JS and 6 tog,etbcr and )'4u l"'JIPCII to be:. aua l ndilln i& this COlltltJy,

J10l COMMONS 0£8ATFS October IS, I 9'30

T/lw CotutltNIIO,.

you arc '*and t~> feel areat OOf'locm. Whal ol1hc: f•uarc. of lund cl11.luut undez &cct:ion:s 14, 1 S aM 6? Aro there any rit,hl1 left fm· n()n"$!ahas lndiant :tftd Ml tb? How docl t'-c mobili ty claw M: apply if you motte ofr the reurvatlon?

Bclore the: United Nationa 1oday tbrre Is a cue chlflinJ Cuact.. •·ilb a bman rigllu violaticm revkillJ from the lftdia. Act.. If Ofte rads it. one CIA arpe dw1 the lnd'-n Ad is 11ot flmciMbWe iD rdatioll to t~ sc:a._, Ttlctdcwe. lD6i .. wotl'tm u• tU CICJIU.ftlt)' ~n be~'*' IOI'CW:f' &o be~ dut citU:c:a l"'bt it • •ynatM ~arc...-. to it. h is ........

N"' C.-'iaas ate .suppokdly a a.ccr111 f« tU MiMu:r ol Stale f« Maaltioeu.ltw:atism. We arc flOW I!Oin.a ta Mwe two dauo ol immiau.nts. Tbat'a lot $lite. No4»ody den.ia tb._ not

cvCA the loYeJfllnCflt. 8)' tbe way, new CuadJ».IU, eth.llic Alld culll.ral &r<K~ps in this count ry, a.rc not foo~J. Maybe they were lot a little while. However, they come from Qltlntrics •hue IAJk about risbts Is high .a.nd delivery ol rla:Jtu is M>t.•. They do •.OO 1\Ud to be told il if aood for lhom. 'l'hcy bow bcuer.

1'bt third tuMI fluJ principle wblch thb raotutiont offends is ptrht,Pf tbe. me6t .serious of all, the pri~tctplo ol ~• aod _.,....., Thi• ouuntry worb. noc bcause or lt• oonuhutioft ot lu Ltws. but bcc:alliC it iJ su.blt. '1"htR it a atability about tMI C::O.IIII)' .t.idl <aoc: bw ea~ tor ,_"- S.C. ~ W ut;o,ollbat alf·-1~ c:oMCp~ ol,..tliliity. Maybe: it iJ eot • tu y a.t cloe5 _,. fn iato tk ldrcnW., """ wdl. Wt •Wi11y *' W .. l llkll5l J)CCipk UC klolJ .. fot 10 tiNt tky Ull

pt 011 wfth lkir owa tiYC'l. We jeopltllllc ,._, JlabUilr at ow­OWII rilk:,

Whtil a raoluliocl comes before the HOt!~& whk:ll offends the uck:nt priooiP'e or tbe prote4.1ion o( prowind11l powers, cbc prot~'tion or ri&btll and the princ:ipfe o( coi\U-nl and t.:oRSensos, tllere I• n(l t;OUrsc opcfl to Her Majestyls loy11l ~~~ but IO~it.

S.• ,._, M•-*'rs: Hear. hear!

Mr. Cn~~~~Wt: Pat.riate t be COfiJtitutkm. We tiO(IC tbt 1'0""" cntmc::IU Will JMirillc: tbc: COfiStitutioe a«:otdillf IO tbc: Van­

OOW\'elr form•la. E"")'CCIIIe ~ with lltat.. Bri"' it iloroe. we will 1Jb1 il i.a c.e day. W'be. it con~C~IO fiPb a.lld t.ow •'e are •htm.ldy aoi•a to aiDC:IId tM fom.ta, rllat • ror CuacliaM to ckddc. C'&J!Hilos decided c. tile bu co.titvlioe. I • oot bow why the ~~ wuts. to Id tM Briu do k 100 )'din later.

I will rad Me l:ast citatlon. In 1964, 1 m:opilJDII upcrt o(

che time ~Nmtc: tb~ I will read it fairly sl~·ly boc:euse it il lmport•nL

f'edtniiJ!!I il bf ih >"Ct )' etMnot l (l)IIIP!'Omite I "" I potQI, 1111 I W!nl'f"Om""

In I he If:- 1 h.! I wlwn nati..md COflloefKiiJ o. •• 1111111' k '* cltthbk or l!l!IIIOI

1'11411,)o llbll ill; tht ~ (rf -~ ~ tedn/llod l01 .,.I lt.l rotlti'IU MII 0'1 -lW !IIIAIJ "- IUdel. f l 0. • .. t l ,. 'llll,ki'QI)', it tilt-- lkl l h t..-uf llut ~,... u mnol k ch•lll*l ltlliltl«llb'.,... allOt NI"'' lhlll'\e: ...._ .,. 11...; r-. """_, tilt• in e~ou,;q •tw.. """f ,.,..,., 11111111 bt -at -. •o • ..., tilt~ llfl •hif*l.he kdcnlc.d ..........

The autllar 'Nt!J lbc• 11 pro(c:MOr in MOQtrc:al. l Jiarc UllicKt Trudenll, I r N!for the Plcrr< EUiolt Trndau u f 1964 bt:auw becw~n the PICITO 13U~t TrOOceu or 1964 wbo oould wrltCI 8Jld uOOtmud lboH word» tftd tllc Pierre Ulliott 'l'rudeau of 1980 lies a ton, journey •Jf I be eort\lptiOQ of power. Tlun I• why we o:JIIIOfC•

s-e 1toa. M~ Hear.~

Mr. SI~ Mr. Speaker. tJtc t.o.. member w bo just Jpol.c> said tUt ltrc ..,. .. MlCCPI• q..UO. fn:e me. lt rdcn &O tllll: pea~ec t.e was makl., •'*-• nKiaJ poblc:ats m a.tra.kt. Doa tbe -.. ma~~bet liR'C U.t M. 'AI ill r.ct tltc U.tted Staso $1i:pr«<'leo COIIIn'a hllCfli"CCatioft ollllt U,.jud Scata COMCit'. lion wbdl al~ ~acl tdtool eh.lldn:ft., be.ck:c:d by tilt United Sl:lltel auorncy ae~~er•l and the aat;ooal g:-...ard. to cbccreptc tcflool• In Arb.MU aDd Alablm:a in •rite fl .:.pp.:lhtion by elected tll t.c polldclall!l'!

Mr. Cro••&t: Q\lito 10, Mr. Sp:ak.er, I am not qui le turc Wh2t the hon. munbc:r ""o••ld m:e to fl"'\'<; by I be point. h IJ bi&{oricall)' (lOrt'CCI, I mJalu add Lbat tbo5c: scll(l(lls •~re 0011•

$1ructcd durinA t l~e tlrno the bill of ri&btx was stiU in foree.

• (I)IIOJ

[TI"MU•rKMJ H-. y._ ~ (PI.ra.Wtel flli tk l"ri.y C~): Mt

Speaker, J •• ,.._.. to l.&te ,.n t.WS ~ ia 1he ckbete oe l.he ......_ 10 ddc:r U...t l'CI}' ~ I"CCIh:tic. to a jcnt Clomftlinn o/ tile H--ot Commons and Ue Seftate~ I am all the more at caJC to ••190f"llM co.tScitat.iooal endcawo.r o/ tlw IO"'Cnnnent 5inoc oe J•lr ), 1977. u fC'COf'CLcd in llfiiUtud cM page 7JSO. I dcU.-crcd a tpcec.b i:n tile: lt(lute-dutirtg a debate: on 11atiooil unity well beJorc tllc. rc:fcrend11.M and I dcarl) ~UUC:Sttd thott that we tltouW att untlaterally 10 plltriatc t llf COMtittu.ion ind I q~o~otc:: w~ .-m hne lb •OMII'IfWII)' lW ""ilttu•l l"' liUtitoo .,.. .. • l~artllm_..,.

1\'Jr""''• '""'"';"' ~~w ""..._.-• *'*' R<O;:tiot. 11r u. -..:; ... ,~ ""id! Q- ... ••~~M .., • • C.llldol withcM t!. _ .. ;...-~Ill ~ .....

~ •hile w.~iilllll IO !'h4 -it ~ ..cf -~ -- ..

~-~~ ... -Alld f•ttltc::r • I a6ctcld! n. ...... .....,.....,,., \'

- hidl I , ...... tltto&tcl be attKhcd to o.r .. ibtenl pro~» da:n- of patrb..--

2 r•r ..,.. .. ...U.IIWIII ,.....__ fli -----w 111.1 ,.., lh -.. .. .- t1 ,.......,. .., tbt a,... .. s.... a.woccmine .-c ...,.._ 411

f'~ioo. jllo}fiAII, ""-'tlel, ~f ,.....,_ ... I'C ...... •••iclt• ill e-n.

f hls<le;,r 1111d orriCilt• .. r•lkll.. ~~~,... d~t """' .,.......,ic11tr..-. lion qf ou• W!latitlltb ! ptlfltiWn, -Id inflw.- ud i~ tlti'M 1Uh .... """•ila I b•~ ltletd) f110141o.M 1.-d ..toid> 11ruo ddlrdk, f•'ell M<l'lttr)' (or <'.uowln , .. ,.,1••1,

Mr. Speaktr, Jn llj.hl ~ 1hr. racl tlaaa we have been lhtouth IWO federal elccdoM attd 0«1e referc!Miu.m in the provi"" ol Qudlcc: arMI d'lt mou lhu two and a balf years Nlve peDOd

C0).040NS DEBATES J10)

_a.:.: die&, )'011 wUI ............ why I claim 1ocby tiM:I d iJ ~ .ore tlrpl ud _.., IIIOOeiSat)' lhat •e pn:ICICICd the way we dQ.I .. .-c ftCC d.llfCII ft'l)' mitld. Oft lhe cotlt.rar')'. J ~ ilif arJt'llll. VCfl' "-""'' Cor the pr«ccliol'l of CMtr naliooalllllity o.t we Jlf'<JCICICICI u .oon ar p:Ni;Sible. a~~d that we tal:e our rapon1ibititi~ •• tllc O~crn.mcftt of CaMda Uld I bopc that (OIIowlq U.lt dot-to ;,. Parliament, llut i1 in the HOUlfC (11 QunmQIU and 111 the $c:ftatc, Ca11adiana can at last take their gm~tit11tion home 1nd p111 in. it what they want and octd.

Mr. Speaker, I wliib to tiUike my remarlu today in~~ Jimplt: a "'"e 113 p!.lllliWe. I arn nware of the fact that our ini thutioo ly1C't'(llvcd 11-' f11r •• proocdwre is concerned atld 1 hope it will tcepdoi"' $« ltt mo.-1 f(CCQI leap forward wu tbe recotnitl<m ol'tk rial'ltto brcMdcaR our debates.

A-' I an' a•a.rw that when we rik in this pt.acc it is J~~~DCli~ne~ dlirt"IQih to COitttiftee tome ol our friends Od tlle «icr .WC ud it it Indeed •ay diff.c•tt aJ'Id vety i.l'l'lpe:doOIW to ...,. a.W taJiy people wllo have already made up tbcit IILilld.l ud do.,. wut 1.0 cU.qc. f~. we •'* a.bo be awaR. Wtcd ilia 01&1 tole ud d:•ty ,.,., wllce we $pC1l ill &a$ Hoae • ~ aJI c ...... Siaee lk m ~ of ...._ ,.,.__.., t. ..., eec..r to Carudia• aDd I ,..., to ab dlif opport•MI:J' 10 try to al!lhfer aonce a;pi:n as s:impfy as I - ~ ~ , ... , poocllc at -~ a:t ktit t1low ,.,.ae I hi!WIIftd hcfc i• Ou••• Mncc the- bqi11ni!QJ of litis 4ttltte. t. ..,,. ri<lifll of OnamlnOindvllk. ilt Mont:rqJ and cftp•berc whuc t IYd lhe opportur~iiJ' tq 10 rec:a~dy,

Mr. Speaker, tht.rc Is no doubt thu the average Canadb" -d.o Joti: about hit d1ity chorea:, who goes to work. • ·ho ••oohca l~ worN acricr: on hi,: TV ud i5 ooooerncd by ~o rather lh.lw oo~dcutionu l mllten.. it is u.ndcntaftd· tWe ilt6ocd that tho brgc majority t11 C~tru~di,ns a~ not tq)Cib in C01\.Uhutlon11.l tnauen: C\'Ctl, at a lawyer, as ,. .. rm~t of 1hi• fluvK, 11~ 1 minister, I do 1101 ci;Sirn 10 be aft e.;ptrt oo eOMiilutiul'l.lllllw, llowe~r. th~ arc fac:t.s whic:h art e~·er .o ptctt.lll 10 us, ftcts • ·c know .so intimalcly at puliamc:~~ .. riaM 11Dd *hkh hIs our duty to recall and explain 10 lite whok populatiol'l. 11 bs luppc:ncd a11d it ,aill happcM iOo ottco. u11forhUIIIdy. tilat i~t majcw debates:~ short part, a teUion Or • cl:l•pc~ I• taken out or a whole- attd 1ntapretcd w~iwfy, nat tltouah i• JC)Od fa.ith, a.nd ofiaa misitltttJ!«t· et 'l"hae a d~~e • ., i.n cakiq 0111 a psn ftOCI'l a wllolc­a.fO.:t. once ... debltt dwclb: Glib" 0111 ~ puu ol • ....,.,. ql a PfOioc:t or a wholle tl!'ldSW'I: put before Pvtil:· .... h ••• ,.._, poi•• liiUit h ecu borii!J.f« lht palllic aad ilid ill &eh I""*"Pt~'ble for lhe lten&'t' cititat bra.­• toO ol'tm .-e arc lndiacd 10 take: fot JtUted tlw p«<pk bctw all abt •'hit • 1111old abd that we c:u eo ud deal 41t«dy wittt 1 ai"CCI poi11 a.S commeet ~M it. So here is what I am Pit& to do. I •1rl si:mpy ur•-cr tile two foll<r-ina qvc:Mioii.L Tile riM I •at li:ked was • 'bt eu.cdy i11 IlK C.n•dian J(Wcrnmcnt lryinato do? Aftd. secotld, •.'by arc we lt)inl to do it MW1 The»o ~re two \'Cf)' scrai&}ltforward and

Tk~itvi-

11'C11.,. q--.•. tk immoM~C •)ority ol Cuad;. ..... won4cri"' ••••

To rapond lO IN firM qva.tioll deali:n.& CS$C:!ltiatly •itlt lhe 'llct'f IMhlte of o.lr OOII"itutiollal JWOCll':il. botll fn 1;u b$t.ancc 111d f01111, •hat 6oa the: rcdcnl &O"Crnment mta11 to do? My rc:pi'J' U: tliiiA: 11 flte~fl1i c'~enlially to do foot t.hjtl#*· Fm~l. pe.triatc tbc CIOIMdUIIJOfl. Canad!l Is dte 01\IY iDIJcpt~l oowntry in the world whiefl m~nt tcek pennblciqa rrom tbc: parliament or nncl4hcr eountry, namely. tbc: Btit~h l,llrtilillmtflt ia l...ooclcwl. En,a.lanll, to lmMd il3 own constitution, wMcb i3 all aberration, 11n anom..,_ly, w~i.eh hlf l lreod)•lutcd too long, and it is ti rnc to take the nooca&illry aacps.. oot or sheer pride and di,a.nity, to brirtl home tlte OO!ddtutlon, whil:h must lead all of us ia Iona ~1'4~.

The purpote ol petrlatlon k lhe~r~)f"C to brioc home aur OOII!StiLu.tloe. liJ thal we may d:isc:w.a a.nd amciMI it i.n Canada whlilout hllvif'll 10 deal whh the P'Ctllfl'lnl o/ a f«~ <lO'Iftii.Y• Tllat 1.1 tile fitll dti"' 10 do. So. CY«)''OIe: hae 111Jt"C'. EYC:ryoac ta1t it k ,_._, it is pct(~--:~RC CI..IUioOC be a,pi-.t pod. Cif Ood-pltriatioe il u ucdlne tltiq. cw:t')'OM" is in fa'I'Oir ql k. Ye&. t.ow 11n-ac, w·IIQ ~ l&f'CC$ with k • tUI UCI ja.C .a.o.kl liad aU ..U o/ OCWC$ o(tca ptOOed.ral ratller ,.... fudamteu.l, to ~'*' t.h.u mo6l Unporunt iail.atiw.

Tilt tcClOtiCI ql the ro.r poinu is tiNt or ~ln.a the ehanc. ot r\l)lts.. b•.n I lllall OOtM baek to that ll_tc:r. The tllint poinc If tlut of incluctina l11the c:oenltutiorn a du~~~e e:JtShrioi.!\1 the pri~telplc of oqu,;atbatiofl and lbe fil,ht api~m rc:giooal dis.pl.ritic&. Finally, tho (ou11h point it tbat of f'i~ing, $0CDt­limc in tlil~ ruture. a mocb11nism to cttablc: us to amend the IXImlit\ltion with01.11. In C\'ery c:a,t;e. aOO to the cod of lime, havinJ to obtain th111t inran.out Ul'lll.nimit)' which. u •-e h11ve r«n, i:~~ imponibk to ach.lrNt In as diver.Aficd a oou.ntry M OIHt,

Se;. l)llliadon. I hll" elrtady u id 110, is an ace of dignity. 1t tak44 ilCir·~t 10 P)', U.ue:n, a.J'ter Ill ye;an and espcciaiJy .11fltt H )'efiN of ""ile: attc111pts, wblcb b&ve led to ftothil'l& btu dc...t t~ ud con(rontaticms whkb oflca do more damage tluJI aood to tiN unity ot tbe country ud Oltr mutual rt4pc(l. it is ll(&h dmc we acted and J104. our coMtituti.oa. 11tiJ i5 a lfUI North America• eo.ntry, ill 1980. 1ttd we arc qulte: capable ol amcndill1 our COIISiit.atio. oo o.r OWP. without nq.itin.a 1 IIOlllcf CO.fttly"s permisaloa 10 do so.

ne .ICICIDiad ,.., " tbt ot ._.M*& a dwtcr o1 rishtJ. Mr. Spaia. k't<• a•~ ol ns,htsa.'QCI ftccdocns lff to k: i~ ill 011r CIOftRit•tioL Aad t cbre UJ ClOOStittiioul upen. uy llwJ'ICf' who spcdalizcs ie COIIImQe t.w. Nuuctt WttC bd"' l'ftldc • wtiUt a,o to jtitify the obstnlceiolt to o.r COIInitutlollll l•ill.aod"C; it was said t.lut distioetioos mull be 011de; that C&"'cla hill lawyen wbo deal ooty ia oomrnoo laws:' ll»t thero Ire lawycrt lt1 Ca~~&dll who deal only in civil law •nd tiNt, 0011t.rary 10 dvil law, common Jaw does not MetUtrlty hiiYe hi code with attk:&et. Thc;l$e lc:plistic

ll04 COMMONS DEJIATES ~IS.I9JO

TA, C()A$tituri0fl

nUIIM:tll, ~~ k&~~ l fine pu(n~. h~ve no place here in tile

dlk'\INioo olthe ((lftt;t h\ltlott or a country,

Mr. Speaker. we want to itiCiuck le lbr: CCNlStitutioil 1

C"Mncr of npu. so p.arutee ud 'fii"OC«l tk f~&al

frudo111a aJII! fiPb ol C..udia.M. wa.. arC" tboJ,t ripu1

There are teVera c:atepia or ripu. llle fil'lt catqory ClOmoo

prira the fund.tmcrnal frecdoms, •1'14 I • -ant to c11umerntc

them bcC.u$e. as I said • moment sg.o, wh.111t ordiMt)' pcopk

think abowt th:u, • ·lul they read ln the papers is the W~Jotd

COrMdt-llo.ll, lhe • "'Ofdl pluiatioa. and 1110 tbe word unibtcrtJ

aid ak ten. c::btta et riptl. but ~ .;u kll tbem .tlattk:lk

rilhU IIC. Th<: fitll Qlcpr)' of fl .. lnc:llUJ (~ •c

W&nt to KC c:IIJllrincd i1t the Constitution of Cuada ate quhc

•imply the freedom ol' comdcnce and rclltloft. the freedom 1>(

lhOI.IIfll, the frecd(lm Of OpinJotl, fl1c freedom of the PfCiil, the

freedom or fnfor~n.~tJOn., the frttdom or aBOOation and the fr«doM to ho&d s-car~e !Mttia!l- w.._, is WT(liQ · ·itt• the

f••ma&.ll fn!CICiom& ol Cuadiaa citiac.u bcill& prot«CC'd

(Ok\'U by tbe Caaadiaa Co.titlftioa?

PcOJ* are as.k:iag tllem~oelvca tlle qar~~tioon and thty are told

that thit il what w~ want to 6o. We want it to be ptOtcttod 10

tiNt ~tu:ra. will Mll be able ~ tamper wQ it dcpcMi"&

a. the ~mmt olt .. day. h must be eatreadled ie a dtlin111 macner into • CGftJtiunioc wbieh c.nnot be a mc:ndcd

with~ I the: consent ol11 majority of pr0¥inccs.1n I wi'll u.pbln

latGr, and that of the! redctal p-ernmcru.

The x«~Dd cateP)' of ri&hlt we want to ha\'e cntrmdlocl ln

tile eoMdtutian dais. whlt t.h.t &looende ria)W. that '*Cl arc all ..... ,. o( bat t}g_t .,. adcloCit ~ aJtllolt,p tlwy a.rc fu.nd.lmc:nu.l I am talki111 of the sac:tcd ri1•1 ol dti:kM 10

vote in Canada a.nd. eo be c&cc.tcd. An)body iA Caldda who

meet.\ Ute I\Otmal few criteri11 ~~e• in a d<m(IO'atk society I'IIIJ

the rl&ht to be. a catldid.atc, to be«lllnCI the d eleted member of

hit rMiin& and to be ill rqwr:selllltiw 111 the Parliament of Caa.ad&. h is CIIIIIC tJ1 tk aru.t ad\'aattJ!C' of OtJr system allcl

t.he~ k abloh.tdy IIIOlWnf wrq. Udccd h ia dninhk , .. , this t lnd of ri&lu k wdl cntrQ~;IKd in the Ca.udiu constitutjOfl,

Thetc democr2dc: rialu., a lso include the duration or o Parflatnc:nt. Pcopl~ \lliU I'OW haYe the am.rllMtt. wriue~~ in the

Ot..uocli.aa COMii-tutk-"- Uw eltctW,et will be: held 11 kasl

C"erf fi¥c. ;rean ud t .. l P•rfVmcat ..-.U lu.t"C to sil et lc.oul

OftOC • rear. Tile ott.t catraory ol riz•u to be iMh&dt:d ,. ~~ ccn•t.ihltto.l concerns d'C (rtcdocn to l'ftCWC eo and Jdtlc it1 •"1 area, h it qu.itc Cde:lltitl that every Can .. d t.n, in whatever

provlftCe, have tbc ri;a.ht 11..nd the frcoOOm let tnttr and lt'a ... c

Ul)' ptOviDCC wbc.o he wbha and that C"'«)' Ca.udian from

wlutnou area aad whatC'fW pi'Oriac:c be utitJc:d to ea,. ••

IMq l111 uy prqri!IIICIC • klloat bda& ~ ud wit ... l

bci.na: tk vktim ol a.ny dJI.Crimiutioft. 'Tllit is anotkf c:ate:p ry o1 ri&htt whicll we wa.nt to &ee entreMhrd in the COM1hu~

tion a.nd whlt h pn.JCttt Can.adhan citiutl!il · ·ithout penJJii~! tbe provincial 80IIernmern.t.

The Jcpl &lil.rantees. the riJ.ht &o life. the rl$bt to r~

.. d a.o smrritr. ahc ri.&M 10 ~ •pima a~-t sc:a:rdlcs. apiMI •.;.stifled ddutioll a.t impr ...... tw pma~mpticwl or briQCIIOC'I-IIIIilty, tbe ritlll to Nve the wA· I&IKC a( a lawyer and to 1:Jc, tried witll.in a rc:tiODIIble time ll'e

"U txuic t ighb whicll !iihould be cntrctlehcd Ill the w~dtuti:ln

.. 't Wall! 10 patrllltC..

The <lthtt QtqOry cl npu. mdltioood i• tlte roolw...-.

COftOCIIM -·d~tioa. W • WUl ewQJ'OIIOC loO be tql*} beJorc- the Jaw, to flan: cqu.a.l pn:Mection rq;udbf of $11.

c:uloo.r, •&e or rdigion. Thl• k a (undamcl'lul 11nd e:.uTd'lt

eonotm. A• I'C'(tntly at la~t e•\'.nif\8 on tbc ~'11'$. we bttNI about an ob..,io~a ea~ of Klluat di!ICriminaiiO«<. 'l'hi!l ease

c:once.mcd a tn11'band wbo wu 4krwi* cl his riJht t.O dcdlld a

~ t.Ut be paid to his c:hilctru f« iecomc &u PlfP"C'

eru tMalil this fi&ht is N'ClOP' liOd i• ak auc of tile .:te. 8c:ca.UK· he WIU • m~n. hoe CICM!Id ftOt kfteJlt rrom thi$ tu

privikg.e. Thlt is why oot H11mu kl&lus Commlnionc.T, Mr.

Oordotl Falt'A'elltha. ~t aald t l~t l1c himself I• in ft~vuu• (I(

ent.tc11ch.in1 thek rights aiMI fl't!tldolnt within the Canadian Coftstit•tioft. I 1.11111 bapp)' to ICCI tba.t Mr. F'airwctthcr iaf

upm.Jedllit opiaioe .-btid)" oa lUf auua- becaue k Us .11

lot ofacdltlilit.J iD t),i:s r.cw ie • • captdt:)' ot ~irm .. oltk

Humoa11 alaJlu Com.miu;o,.. Lhc (:'W'Cning. 011 tk news. be

s.I;Jitcd hit Jl(llltion n:ry d eally and publ.iely • •ben rcrurina 10

tbe· cue J llaYO mtfttiotled. I think it is cuend nl thllt tbc

rlltld&.mCYUal ri&hts and r~ of all Can&di.ans be

atrc:ncbod ia life COD5'l~tvt.ioL laclccd lhc Comali~ al

OffJCial t.u&up. Mr. Mu Y aJdom, aho saW t1w: All1lt

thiaa.

Mr. Speaker, anotber eatetor.v ol the mo.:t fund.Jmc• L11

ri&}ll$ whkh will be ent~Mhcd in thi:· COilStitutlon oono:nu

t he: otr.claJ lan.cu8.Jd 61 Ca.rt.~d•. and for tbe fln:l dmt in tbt

Wac:wy of thif c»uUJ, I am ••f'IIII*'Clltld diM.ppoMotcd Lhat 50

few ~tcft rClCIOpi« ~- (ert, Mr. $pater. fGr tk linl

time ill <*f ••Y· iiU&Od ollaiYln& a simpk tMU or .11 sim'*

rederlll k!blotM!n. tbc !iltlltlll olthc Frc:Mb aiMI En,l.isb la6-

i WI8d will be defined il'l tbe Cootthution of Cantd~ as briq:

buth official luauagu c:quall.v mcogn.ized c ... ~ywbett i1l Canada, Thd 11 fll~tll. Poopk sccm to fortet too often W.t CaiUdis• IN"'! tile riPt to oom:mlleic:atc •it• tllc:it fcdcall i.-,:htuliou in alldr o.wa anlP# •111r• thrtr ntunllom

wvnnL Tlll• t ia cuutial lt il now 81d.J'a• tCCid •fldcr lq:isla4

tJOJt., but it witl ~ tnlldl mofc MCwre. 110 ~e will be a bk to

chanst lt.. it will be .::ollipuJIOfy und aU CanadiAn lq ;lala11ru

will have to eomply ror t.hc gtNtcst ed\'alllll~ ol all Ca~t11diaa

dtiu:ftl. Bot ill dw. f'rc:oc.il alld B.n&liab lao,gua;a£f will bal<e •

$LIIIW of anct: cqulity ewrywlllc:R m C:a:udl and dut ..-.

be cmplwiJ:Cd bca.ae: it wlll be put of 01a1 pro.icc\, ol <*~'

CXM~Slitutionallnitia.tlve.

Of)C, tb~ $C\'Cnth e<~tepy of right$ that~~ want in (lclr t."QII$tiLtuion I• very in~pottant, aod wooJd

~ho right to td11cadoo in tbe la.nsuagc of the miDOJity. i,S.•''"; I ~lticipatcd in the campaign witb my ClQI.

some mc-mbcn on lbe 01.ber s ide of tbi:~ HOU$e, to tbe people in tbe laR referendum in Q'"bcc: If to .wverei&fltY•II$SI)ciltti<~a, \11-c are $0ing to rtt'lew

11nd pdrtieularly ...,~ guarantee tbat we sball do our

~. :Q:.::~~~m~;;""':.~ities ouuidc Quebec. I am one ol th<.~SC ~j, Mr. LCve&que aDd hiJ &t.1pporlet$ fqr

optioo, an option • ·hi_ch cQmplctdy ignored Francopbones ouu.idc Qu.::bec and the ki~ or

withdra'A'Oil he pro~ and $tiJJ $upportt, even if is delayed (or fOGr or lil'e )'Cl'r$ for elecrorsl ""' ,..,,.od tmf.u.ir to me 11.t1d I rouod r.eally it1huma.n to

.and ignurt., when you au the p-cmicr of • province. ooe Million. Frcncb-spc:atln.a Cuadians who deserve

from a CO"ttnment that pr~end:J to pn::~tect tbt: frcneh the prc.wi11oc o( Quc.bec.

in this ooo51itutiooal proces.s.. Mr. Spea.ker, we ,;,;:ot~;t;;i Fra~teopbone miooritie$ QUfj.ide Quebec 11.11 we

protecting AnaJophooc miru,llrities in QuebeC for .;:du· purpo6e5. <.anu.4iu cit.ir..elllJ will be entitled to ~d

dilildren tq the iiebool of tbclr choice C\'trywberc: in and this Is C:Skl.\tial. AM the basic purpose of $Ctlioa

project which is Wore chc HO\I5C is t~Crietly to minorities who ••lrc;ady havt Canadian citil%nsllip.

l~~~;~:r;;~.when. we .summarize what 1 jw.t mentioned in of our prootS$, that is to .say tbe irKI-usion or a while patriati.ns our coru~titution. •'e ralitc

&even "tecori« of riabtt~ are ~ntially bouK­r~w. .. o rrccdonu. or C:Ou.ric, the titld ol tbe doc:umc:ot say

h important to repc:3t it because it has not been fil·~~td. l"Cf)' often in tbis debate, We bc:ar more. about

mauen. We he~r more about relel'endum, wmmit• in committee, r«pcct or noc:~ •rciped for P..~.rltament.,

but the ordinary cld,zen ~rlt'QI and has a right our p~l invoh·ct directJy hill frrtdom, his

fl;,,;tva<>d fib basic ri£hts.

thlll is why I did so to d\oe trouble at1d took the time eo on thc:m. to d~ail tbem aOO to ~:Xua~ tbcm from the

l).ir;..;,., tc&Oiutioa we are d~uina bcre today. Th<: third clemc:n1 in ()Cif co~iWlioDAI procedure is; the: in$C'r­

ll ~lion to ~ntrench the ec}u.1li:%onion principk, a~ fitid;;~"" that as a mc:tl'lbt.·t I am suppotti11g the fisbt a.g:ainst

~~~!~;~:~:icll 1com::::•>bmyst:lf from a region 'A'hicb bad a a before tbe ('rtatiOJl ol the Oepatt· I:Jt R~aJ EcoftOO!)c &pan:sioll. aod lam proOO to say

l~t "'"' 1%9, about 4,000 new jobs havoc beet~ «eatcd in m.r 1lonc, in my fcdc:rnl C~QJ~Stituency of Drummond, thanks . tpS)IIeatloa of a priociple in whicb this covc:truncnt bclie\'eS and wa.nb to cn:sbriDC in •he Caoadiu Consti·

soo~o-tJ

Th~ Consliluti<»t

tutioo. the principle ol the fitbt again:sl rcgiooal dis.paride11 ond tbC" pri.nciple of cq1.1al Q111>0r1un.iciq fc.n all, 11CIWII CaD& do..

In my oua"titutru.-y, Jlnd I lt:oow from e,;perieot:e., ftK 10 )Urt •be Ce.n.,di;&n ~rnment, in npplying this princ;iple_. has been in'W(IIvtd in 140 projec:u, ha" o.ade: il pO!i.'\lblc to ~:reate aln!oOSt 4,000 jobs, has givce sranu for 525 rniiUon and ha~ eoo&Olid.atcd lboUSlnds of jobs, and tbat is less thatl what has been dooe in maoy otlter regioM in Canada where the Depart· ment of ReS)onal t:..:ooomk EJipuruion also wvrtcd and par· ti.cipnted in different pro}oc:til. In an areA where 4~ per cent of thl:· ind~tria.l I'X>fk force used to depend on the textile indus­try, I can s::ay today tb:u through tbc: appUcation Q( d1i5 priDClpk ~Ne bav·e !luoocc:ded in varying ou.r hldustry so that the textile worteu wbo have very important jobs and destrve L11e protcccioo •-c arc Jiving tbem through our ex<:eJicna pollcle'l, now rcp-re:sc:n1 no more than 8 pc:r cent of the work force in l.be Orurn!T\I()fld Wlt$dtucncy, becau11e thol.lf;aod$ of other jobs have been ttl:ah:d lind aU k:indll at busin~S have ltflpcllred.

11 is prtclsely thill kind(){ J'lf'lndpk wbkb wiiJ eouble those n:!iMS with a ~ C()()t)(lmic gi"('W.·th rate, those • ·hicb are kss 3dvanta:g.ed than ocbers l.n Cuada, to develop: it is precisely this kin.d of prin~ple tbat we want to S«: enshrined in tbe con$litu:t ion, Mr. S~.ker. Tltis is 1he ~ry e5SlCOCC of Canada, t.he cquJtabk dUtributiDn of wC~~Jl.b in lltit~ eo1.1n1Jy, a nd this is the third saase ol our corutitut!Mal pmp:ltlal. _But w-bo and in the 1Ut6e-of what pt'inc:iple wookl OPJI'O"e the Crll.n:,nchm.c:nt o( fu.ndamentaJ rights and ft«doms OOt also the prinei(lk or tbe figbt agaio~t ttgiooal disparities and for equal O(li!Ortunities for ail in Canada'? This is wbat 'II'C arc doiog, Mr. Speaker, and thi$ is wha1 the people must know.

Tbc fQQrlh t~tasc, the fourth $1cp o( our unckrtalti.n.g in this matter i.s to tind a medl.:aai.1m which will eru~ble u:~ in futul'e to avoid tbt kiDd of mt~eting\ wblcb ft1Quire un:.nimily to brinJ aboul some. ehange, I mean t.bt amet'ldili.S fonnuta. We mut~t find a mcoeban.ism, a proc:e&$, a way so tbat we may i.n. future, whenever a large majofity of partneu. of ptovinc:cs and tbc Canadian covcrnmeot deem it reuooabJe. amcod tbe c:ooS<tilu· tion witllout pliq lo l..oo4on, beau'&e by that time it wi:IJ baw: been pa!Lrlated, our constitution will be bndt ben~ .. but it will oot toquire uoan.lmity, whk:b. as I .said earlier, ends up in a dead cod in most cases. as tile experience o( the past .SJ )'eiUl bast~hown.

What •>t h.ave if!. the way of a mcdlaoism in that (lf'Opot;;al is quite simple. fot .a m.u.in,um ol two )'C:3ts, we 1~-Sve lbc uu.nintity rule. We 58}': Agr«d. let us oot go lOO fat, let us fotce nothing upon the provinces during a two-year period. Onoe we have our own COD$1itution in Canada. tbc:te will be no cMnae "Witboou.t tlle unanimc.IU3 connnt of the provinces and tbe fcde;raJ p-crnmcnL Tllk ill wlat is 5aid in our proposal. But in !;WO run time. bowevtr. wt INiU neg«lata. Tberc i$ C'\'1:1'1 a $CCiion in tbe proposal, Mr. Speaker. ufl.dcr •hich we

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1'1u: CorutiJutltHt

mm at least OMC 1 yc.r. dari.nath• t IWOofC!~r peri.od, hold • ClOintitvtioN.I 0011fc:~!~Cc LO d~ thte: INUt.r l .llld try tO c:ome

ID - ~·t.. o:pccially oe lhe rlNII a~ fcnwla. Allld. 1had0ft. 10 Mlgat tlwll we do 11101 ""* 10 ~~ tlrlc

ptO"illiCeS aay 1110tc. 1'-1 we will b.-e 110 II'IOrC c:o.tit1lliolul

eot~fc:tc:~ Is '''"int tK ram vpPdc. ~ • • l• t• ~· there is a $f!CCinC:: •~ion under ~~r·!Uch. -.-c •nlllat hoW a QOCIJthu~

tkm11J QOOfercMo 111 h::u.t Of'ICC a year d11rlna the umtl'limit)'· rule period, t.ho two-yeat period, And if durln& that two-yqr period tbe JWOVinoet 111d the Canadinn pemnKnt agree nn fiOn'le meehankm. liOmC amcndilll fonn_.l&. toodJ This wiU sol¥e lbc probkm fw the: f•Mc. •ad ft'U)'OM will be N.ppy.

If t.lwR ir .o COIIICM-. Ilia the pr..tM~n •.0 Ita~ tbe

~ ud the fiPt to P'OP* tkir oon ••lldia• formrda. JlfOYided t.hst it it Mlpportcd by 80 pn CCIII of tlirc: prom.ca._ that is eight pnwlnca. rcprcsentin.& 80 per c:cnl or tile Can:tdf.­an people. 0( OOUrtc tbc. (onnula bas to be H riOt»lllncl it m llil

act ~frteient provincl~ l S"lii)J)Oft to jllnlfy a h:lfcn:odum. We, the Camedian SO"CfiMMl. will oppose that rormul.a ~nee 'fl'e

wliJ QOt h.a~ &£.rood to it, We will I be• PfOfl'l'* lite ViCWria

rcwmda. the lua one on wilic:b pn;l'l'i11011 ·~ all qrecd la 1971 with the fedtfal ~t. Thia is tile: (QnDIIb we Mpport.. lUt il liM ptGtiiiOCS lbt • Ill ~ft fcom.cd ..,.,aR

from 2S P" mu ot tilt people bdore: procbmatbl dly. Therefore, (gr all practkal pui"JK*', lf Oft tltt. one hand,

Quebec, Ort~.ado ud two wcs:tetl'l provil'll:CII rtpteacotiA,J SO per ttnt of tho peaple.. aOO two maritime pt~inctt represcnt­itl& 50 per otl'lt 0( tbc poople oo tbc othu ar. in agreemen-t with the Canadlu pc:mment., the dunge ctn be made:. Sueh

il lk V~oria fonnula. Tllis is • 'hat we JlfOpoK and if i.n. twO yarr tilcn 1Mf ._. 110 ~t. it -ill be our fOftlblb. We ~ the ridlt to e:kqc it ud p.t .c on t.tr.e aal* M opposi:tice to tlw.t ,.. 011 me .... by 10 pc:r ce•t of IJw

prot"it~oes s•IJPOt1cd by 80 P« ""' q/lhe people. AJtA w~ s.han go to the pc:opc.. We s.h•ll not dtdde by ovr~IYU. wt. ue Pnc to a sk the ~ whet are soYerelan tu c.~ lhc best amc:OOin,1 formula (Of tl1ot future, to prevent COWI~thutiooa l

delldklck$ and tO c:nabJc w to prOJRU aMI tO m&kc amend· IS"'oeiSl$. Thi:s is w"hal i• provided r~ by the rnccNniun~ it is not

OOft)pljc:atcd. We arc aoi111 to tave a rd'erc:ad•m if then is eo qrccmeM ud if daM ~ agee o. a foraw:la. we sJWI

propor;e o.r o.-. ronn.ta aftd tlw people wil' 4cddot. nis iJ how it shovld • Oti . Ultl.na.tdy. if em the ""'".ctS do '* a.srec. 10 11ubmi1 an atnendi.., focmula , thm the Victoria formula I have juJt dCKJibcd wiiJ apply, Mortovcr, tbcrc t. »ectioo 42 providll\a l.hat ir we rully C'.6nnOt &et tbc QOO~~Cnt we require to amend the IXInlltitutkm utlder the Viti<~Ji• rormula, the: pcc:lllle wiiJ alway~t be: lhe jadae i.n the lut mort. 10 bree\: the dadkd.. 'Tllit. • ·hat the ricbt hoft. Prime. MiGister (Mr.

Trvdea.u) sa.ld today w t.i)e a_....,.mq tile Cl\lo&iom. f1l lhc:

offidaJ oppoddcwt. llia 0 tk ptrpoiC ol l«<ion .C2 ..tddll cu.blu the Go¥un.mmt ol ~~cb 10 hold a rcf"elld•m oo. a maner rcquirioa an am.endme:ot to tbe COflftit•t*- Thil is QJ.5Cnli<~lly t.hc Intent ol this piece. of ka~n.tkMI. to break a

COtlUJtudonal deadlock ..,buc ~ would be uuble tO cc.me to

u llt'ttfDC«<I to amend tl!tc oo.stitulkle withi• lltc: UMIU of ahe ammdiq ronnu.ta .rhic:ll -.il apply •• tba.t Wnc.

Mr. Spcakr, U..C •~ tile f011r bale ehaatc~ ~ ..... ta mate .. t!K <::OMtit•tioN.I tc¥d. Now I ut: doc:l: aa)' OM ot tlrlok dlusa, lilY oee o( llloae aspcct:s tat~ a• .. )' a n1h1 enjoyed by uy C.nadiln pro¥irKe to a;ift: it to t.bc Canlldi""" p~t~t~\Cnt. d1e federal ~n•mwt'! Ab6olutely not, What wt

IHO tr)•int tu do. Mr. Spt=aler, 11 simply to m;Ib tbc lcii5lta• llilta. aDd ours.ehu, t.he rodcraJ covcrnment, rapect tbt O.MdW! pcopk. mf~CC' ba~lc r(&Jtts in Canada and re~~pcx:t

the rictus ol Ca.aadiaru aJ i.cli,·iduab... Tba.t k what we an uyi._,to4o..

Tile way ia ..ttieb we. !al-. ._. to dct tlrlts ill • ftfJ

complkatcd: we are toifll tlu'oq;h hr~mctlt, beca~~;M: it k the O«''ly lqjdmat.e, lepJ and fCCOCIIizcd way we un ptOCicc4

11ftcr the deadlod 11.0d the II1C:k vf tJtecmcnt wbiob tCII• Itcd (t()M tlle la11t cocuititution.~l j,'()ll(crcnQC, Wba.J la wrona witb ud11,1 the most noNe illsthutkln i.n tht:. ooun11y '&'hl!rt- tbt dcmCIO'lUcally c:Joct.ed rqwac:ntathu of dae entin~ CanadU!t !)CIOIIk. from aU rq;o.s; 0( tbc: COIIJttry AI? Wlut k ··~ Mr. Spcatc:t. wJtio .... lhh iaAit•tiM to~ CIUr OOMtit. oc.J prgpoul'?

H011. manbtrS from ,.u polilical ammtl.lM ud rq'll'ac::n.t·

i~~;a all rcaioos rrom cw.Jt to cou1. are cntirdy free to tab pen In thU debale, to JUASC:" amcndmttiU at the cu"uniu" ttn.IJ.C and to argue their pod1U• in • con.stNcti'>e Wl)', &O tbal thl• rO\OI"tlon be: adopt~ with rtiUOtlabk delay. Ar~d Plirlia• 1r1ent. In my opi.Uoa, h tbc ptrl'oet.I.Mrnamcnt to CI.N')I out thit

nOWc taak. 'There are 1lmc: ~tta.a&

0.CC apia. to enUptu tat. Ofdioaty py • ·ho ~ wt.. t wc ate 4oiq. • luit is,.,. hMc wca:redcbat.iaa. I wiU Nf

tht it il a motioa calliq rot a rcfercocc to a t.Oft'l.tniltcc oltltc ruoludOf• I wu rc:fcrrina to. And Chis com..miucc will ~th lill'ltil Ocoembcr 9. At \be CIC,Imtnluoe t lll£,\':, t.bc:rc a~ a rew ft irfy

lcthnlclll upcct.s 10 be tonskkaW . Tbete are &C'I~ra l c.:ltw ~tel, lt il l'tOt • oomrnincc whleh will travel to CYc::tY Jlllrl or ConllcU, •• the. Leader o( tile Oppolitton (Mr. Clart:) wou.ld llkc: it to. Jt 1t ..o. • commiuee whidl would tr.,.d to Jc:t"U~~tcm or ••r· wltcte dw.. 1t is a c;:omJ~~iUot ..-h:ic:b wUI sil ia Otta.._.._ h wil

look in10 die tcch•inl upocu ol Wt project •.cl call r.­.-i"t:lloOlea 10 awc-r, lMit its mab. tnp)IIA-wtity • ill be ID

fiNIIIe tlle teAt ol Oti.t CO!llldtutional ~-t ewer a lin-dtcd period or time not CJ.cccdlt~t Jilt m.oat.h!l aM noc fnr an utc.n<lod pcnud as the lMdcr olthc omcW Oppo~Jilklft would l1a¥c it, pc.ndina a judamcnt on wmc prtmicn' uppc~~l to the

oouru. We would like the committee to report !MIC latu , ...

OroeerJibu 9. Tllte Qt,e eai.c:iltca wiLb the ce4 ~ Mppl)' Pf"" c:ccdit'*" h i$ * maner ol pa.ttif.mm.wy pcocedutc •tbl ill a tllinl ~ can bt 110tcd how ...,..,.... - aN: \0 hrl'-· «Mnt pn.:rridit~l as we do till,. opponullitles ror det.tc. We ~uld very wdl Mn inuodu.ccd • me~ ttSOI\ILion a!MI held •

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Waglc-debate in the House. « tJ.pin "'C could buvc refused to 1 rdtt the wuer t.o oommiuce und disallow the third dd•te- to , lili~h I lure- juit referred aDd wh.icb •ill a~ln Cl)Sbl~ mttlt­

flef$ to '~ tbcir views and to oonsi<l~t the report already tabled by d te committee. Finall)', it will aiJow Parfiametlt to '9Pr<ll'c o.r proocdurc wbi-:lt is to addr«S a petition to I~ Qun:n ami tbc B:rjii5h f)'Fil.tment atlkjn& them to return <~ur llOflStilllticm and allOW Ui 10 t:llSJ1ri.ne tJse: cJ-arteJ' of hurtlal! -ri$bli ol • ·btclt I ipol:e as •>tiJ as the principle of a .st:nlule 1,9inst tcgional disparit~ and aR amendjng medlani:sm fOf tlt f•t-ure,

···'* This Is the onJy thing we are doina. The proec:dute d tcfad'lely simple. I fiJid it unfortunate tbat, basically, tbe

fllajor objectioi\.S t'Ai&ed i n moM t!J.5C.O by bon.. members oppoo 1ilc an Dbjcctlo.u ab.lout tbe: procedure or qul."itions of form.

it ~~ttnu to me dl2t if the sub.«anec is. of .sucb importaoce at the.pment time and if it aut be atcc:ptcd b)' tbe great majority

· of tk poopk. a$ they have $1.l~cd. it sbould certainly be pouible 10 discua the pn>eed• raJ pl)inu and oome 10 an •areement ll() tbat we may, within a te:uonablo tlme. n'ooeet the tbjoetft-es wh.ich ate aimed at in thli ptottS~ Mt. S~ket. I llu11!d uow-ll.ke to reply to the sooood q~.tCStion whicfl ba.s been tstcd of 1».. • ·bic:l1 is why we trc: doina 1his. We haY<: been lSitocl: All thi11 i$ Y.:ty well, bu.l 'l"by lire)~ doing lhis uOO • ·b)' ate tl(lme people c'lbjectins? I ibtlll ttll )'(lU why. Thac are three rea~. The fi,. is that during tlte referendum, ~ ~ Ion$ aso. a cons..idt1able numbet ol ut traYel!ed thf'OU8h Quebec and clseW'hetc in the country to teU tbe pcopk: that "hat "''t wanted basically wa5 to uk the people to object to ~~ty-assOOati<m bccltti:5C, (or our p&.r1, "'t "'ere dfcrit15 • l!.l<ll"'ntce ol constitutiQtllll tC11CWlll. Wbn will be the cn(M>t

plelllltd if this proj«"t ls canoeiJcd 8.00 if we are not dete:nniMd lil tal:e oor repouibitity seriously u a ,overnmcm? Wh<t$t lfllcr~s •ill it se:m: if we do notbina in Ottawa? Jt is illponant fO<r the memben from other nte<~l' of the oouni.T)' to be ~owue- of tbe answtt. This would pleaie-aDd :~u it tbe. l~rti QuCbeools since it wiJI Mt.!l'l one more step to•·ards indepen­dmre. for Quebec. This woold be tbe tttd result beea.use in the milk! or Mr. L6'Yesquc.. no(hinc can ""'(lfk in tlle federal S)'lltem. We w.rc unable to. eome to an)' .1greemen1. The rcneql of rcckratlsm Is unthimi.able.

Those 'a'ho talk about ttl'lev.·td ftdcraUfim are drc~~~m. lld:s li what be tcl~s the people of Quebec: and somt. mtmbtr.i ll t)lis Hoo~ ""'OUid like"' to ProYe him right. They wooJd like ~ prevent Ul! from tating oertJI.in injtintivct; wh.i-:b would not ~naJi:IJC tbe ptovittccs to tbt advant1.8t· of the Can:tdifl.n ~rftment. bul which would sinlpl)' gWtt3:fllet: certain balj.ic i8J!u aM frcodomrs (or Caudian cltb.ens. You wuuld like to 1bject to that fot ptoccduu.l teasons.. and at llle illrne. tUne !lay into tbe lland$ of Q\lebcc sc:pe.r.ttim, who blame Ui ror tei.!lg powertu~ for bdns iDCapablc of gdtina out QC tbe ((IStitutional ckadfoc:k and malc.i l'lg a statt for cllanges that

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really cort'eSJX!f)d to tbe a.spi~tioBS of QIH:bocket!l 11.nd Ca~1~di:.ans u 11 whole! Thh: l'l wb;d )W ~:~re now doinJ with )'OOr opposition.

TherefOrt, Mr. Spcak4:r, we are CQfl\li$t<:nt, We fulfiU a t:ummltme.t~t.. We prUmbc:d Quebcckel'$ and O.nadians tbat we wouJd ~~ OiH ol tl~ C:Oidtitution;~.l dodlock then \lie promised a renewed fedcraliatn. This is wh.a.t we arc ckling, M r. Sp:$ker, and believe me we bave oo intentioft of leuin& g~ We me~on l;)u$ines!l. We Are JOin& to i« this throusb. B:ut lbere is liOmetbint ebe. lt ill nQt only 1 qUC$1\on of pt'incipJe. it b a QUC:StiOII Of btlkvin8 in t'IM' ll \.'OUillt)', loving it all<f U)'i_ng tO bring it to cltati£C· in a ""''Y tbat dots IM)C m«' tbe aspirations of one poHtical par1y, tbe P.an.l Qut:b«oi:$.. wlwt!;c 11im is il'ldcptt1deacc. Because "''e btre, ifl C11nsda, ako 1011id that time had oome (Of 111 in4cpth rene•al ol our federal ~yttem. Wbat 'llo'C ne dtring bere i' <Htly • fiut step. Do not cry yt:t, lhi.i i, ootbi:ng a.~ (Oinpdred 10 1.ilans~ that will be c:orning Later on wheft fitl:tll)' our OOC'Istitutkla ilt in C:uada, wben "'e art able to make federalism go forward "''i lh an :amending fc:mmtl.1,

Mr. SpeateC', this is only .1 lin t s.tep, noc the final gool. To those ""bet are .scared btcaufiC. they think 'llo'C nre 30i.ng tOO (ar, I $a)' tltii d onJ)• ODe step, it b oot bn:aldng tfle de~~dlock. The adYatttace in our auenlpl, Mr. Speaker, is th;u it will allow fedctllliSJO to c-hange, it will alleviate tensioai in the: future whe:n uur comtitucion i; bcre.. when it is Jlurna.ll. modeto and it1cludes 11 mechaniilm for amendment, wben circumstanC'CC cbanse. without leading. to tbe kind or cx.mfrootatjon we bave beeR goins through and without having to a•k eYCI)'ODC el' e.

That it the second Uli.'Kin and that is the $CCOnd advantasc of oor COOititu~l initiative . .F'int we are being lnle to ()Ur •'Ord, secood btcauit 'llo't are federalit~IS, because ""'e believe. in CaRada. because we want 10 unite it even more 110, and I ba~ ju; t stated it is a .step toward an evolutionary procc:ss. a healthy a.K'I'titutiooal ~'Olwtion. And. Mr. Speaker, lhc third thing that is n'W'W!t imp<wuant. i.s that ~>er sinoc I hll\'e been in polities much bas been said 11bou1 the constitution and I h:tYC been a member or Parli:amc:nt f<w tbe !»Ill $i1t ye.us..

I lnUW t.h.at the «OnotO)' i5 a rundamctU.aJ lu-uc. C.1n11da bolcb an impc:wtnnt pos:ition in tbe WOt"ld. h is a large country which dese~~l.'$ to be fvrtha de"Yell>pccf. lt $CICOU to me th:at if we respected each otbtt et\oOtlg)l and thowccl it 1hrougb our artiol)$,. i r •>e c.:wld oooc and for aU rnake tbe first step towurd dl4!: rtS!>Iution of thi• c.»nslihniollltJ COilOic:t. we wooJd dear the · ·ay for thi:-dh~cu!WI)n or other Issues tbat arc. equally irnpcw. 1ant ~ucb aa lf'IIJattoa. u.c~mployment, enetJ.Y aDd tbe c:ooc'IOmy in Jertc:tal. Bes.ides. tbat it to socne e.;~;tcnt tbe rell$0n wby we h11ve proceeded in this manttef. Mr. S~ker, "''c. felt it " 'IS sensible 'o refer Ibis telioOhltion 10 tbe committee (<w a Oer1aiR period in order lf.J aii(IW Parliament to consider a budget. to deal with tners;y ;u.d n~Jtil>nal dcvdopmcnt. To tbooe wbo would deny till as a SO\'ttnmc:nt the rigllt lo act in this manu. I WIY lhtt we have a mandate. to &O~Jll tbt: Oc,luntry. We 6o it ill .1 democ:ratie WJY by ooosultinJ Parliament, but oor m111t1·

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d111e it ln no "''8)' ll tnliod IU «llOOfllic end eDerA,y lt\aiUlfl, We a.lto have a mandate to"' in the u12 ot tbt. OOfiJtilutlon, oo bcltllf of the poork: of lhl• « nol•lty, Mr. Spe~);e:r, Our IClioo il pctfettb· j"'tirted and prrfCICtl)' J•l. To sllow r~poct ror the people ,..,.. repra;mt. )'CM .-.w at bta ~" tlllc: ~ 10 Id lJxm k*"' ill thdr o-.. la.apq:c •lilt )'Oil are ckllio& aod •lay, ud ia all bmitity 1 Mtlmil tllis k wU1 I Mws bee• u)'inc to do iathil ~._

I am ftOfry if J took • lhtle too lo0:s: I do noc aJuiiJ male fuU use of my 40-mintliC ,;peaking time but I had tO doh a1 a cc:rtoJn point in thi:~ debate, Mr. SpcdCf, I w• nted to Lab pt1rt once aaain in thJa debito on tlle oun!(titutkwl 10 &lYe this

cwtn'le~~o• because I am du-ply connnocd lhst our •JICII'OIIdl lt tobet. balatlood, rc:al t...!c llnd dtltdy. and lhat it is re.pcetful or tbc righ~ of aU Clil'adliM. Mr. Speaker. tbe Cuadiu J1C0f1k tlu.t we are rc:praco1i111 i• lWI House is a~ dipitiiOII ud free pcopk. l"WW• • •)' we are.aiq t.ile "'"'f" an.

Mr. lUer (~...catt.t.M) Ml". Speaker, the PlaiOmt f)( tbc PriYJ" Couadl (Mr. PiN.rd) Jut rdurtd to Mt. Uve$que's problem • ith reprd to the Constitution or CaMe&.. I ~n andttstand Mr. lJvuqu"C'I objtttiOt'l: be. is a H!)lltllliiL 8ut tbtrt Is also 11 (lrobloem wilh Mr. Ry:tll. Mr. Mya. h•• 11of.ced his OWYI objct1IOM IISOinst lbis ptOpoflll. Wby lt be a.pinst it? Is the 00¥crnment of Car~ada oo tped:ln.a term~

witb Mr. Ryaft'! Why hat Lk poaitfon bcld by the 00\lcrnmtnt of C.na!U met with Mr. R)'t.fl'ldblppvnl?

llotr. ,._N: Mr. S,C.ktt. llhalla.IISW<:f" tNt 4~ Mr. RJU Ius sa}d. :afld t.ht k impcilfWl\. t.bat k aSfea Nil)' 'lritil tk sut.tar:a ot the ptOpCINI. or the ma-t cl it. A bill cl ripu cntrhlC:hcd ift the COfltdtudon, k aareu witllthat; aMetillty, be: a.grees with pacrlado~t; 1ftd Mr. Ryan is in tuour or rcdiKios rt8ional disp~~ritkt.. Yet. 1 have read •Jithat, I k~ what Mr. Ryan ha• Jald. Ue ruiJy tarecll whh our bu:dc deds-ion to ad, ul)(i I rCilpoet his opin)Qn. He doa not aaree with tbe timing. I (ad we ebwld pattilltc t he conatit11doo after aarecmtnts lu\<e btttl rt:aehcld. But wt baV<. bee• ••Yiftl l.hal ror 53 )'Cats ..ow. l am t.laclthat Mr. Ryaa iJ Oft 01tr i:lde u far u the Mlb5tance iJ ~ N to the: form thk aouw uh .. .re may Uw. dJN'cftq ...,_ Wl I Mill rapea: b .... I am Uppy abaat -.e tW., .-.,.. ud lht is tlte t..-o ~ for the amc:ndit18 fotfmlla, atKt m;y colka.p.t will lla¥C &o IICtoC • i:th me that tbe kart oltllb. proW&. cl !.his propoMCI reform, it tit<: ammd.itlt rormwll. I •m CotWiooed tbli within a few mot~tbs. witb Mt. R.)'IIJI In Q\loebe:c. we will be abk tb MIOiiate a final amending (,•mul~. Thb wiU not be:. doM with Mr. t,.CYC~quc. Mr. Ryan "Will ha~ o .. Y in the matter. Wltllln tlle two ye1u-. at utluimhy pr011Wcd by the bill. Mr. Ryan win m•na&e to ~ elected and will be ne&otiatitll with 111, t loaa • llll the: otber pre.mlcn., l.n ttatda of tbc. ri&Jit amtndir~&

forauda. lf my oo,.CII.lM k aJnid tlaat Mr. R),. • in 11011 u.ltc pan ill tlle c:oftltitut-.a.J *bate. t. tllc es:tablis:hrrtae ol u ~ fctm• ... I em men otnaia ud 1as d:tpdc::al t"-•

lae k. I b11110 more COfiMdence l11 Mr. Ryan'i CllltiCcll ot • ·l111ling tbc next PfOIIIMi-1'1 ci<OCtioo. .. ,.,... IE.,.Ii.<A)

Mt. hfwlec Mr. Spu. u. I -.tc •• ~ppeal to tht fiOIJilt.. Tk:re- were ~-- Wlllkrsc•nd"'P abolt dw ~ .t ti.­tll.is. aftentOOft •fld.er •We:• tJic ..,._ member for Wiui.JICI' EJjrcl$ II1U (Mr. Bl•ikilo) W<MIId N.-c: beett; able 14 1ual c .. ~~~~ before; we tbc. Ttl~t time $Cbcd•k bas IOIM •~tJ tomewhat. 1 ,roBdcr Ill he If oo~c would bot oouncoo.s cn041tb to le4 the htm. member for Wlnnipea· Uirds Hill fini1h hl11 i puch thi~ a(lemotllrl, even If it t.akct us to re~ or ten mi11utc11 i.llet ob.

111ot Acd.a Spnk« (Mr. EtlliK): U that ,,,_. to by •I mcmb<ffl -- ... - ........

Mt. 1.rwiK Mr. Speaker, a~ of tile cortSiit••* •• milqaoud by the """'- mcmller fot R05CCMk ( M"r. Cto.ntie). Tllle point is imponut c~ah tUt it s.hootd be claririC'd. •M:I I rise on. a poi.nt of Mdct 0C1 the matter.

1lw Aed~q~: Sfnllar (Mr. £t•ier): Order, (lien~ Whut t~ bon. member la rl iJinJ doee not oonuitutc a point or order. If he wis.hes to C<Jtrecl a ~al<tttlltnt made by the previOUJiii)C.Dkcr. h ca.n be dOM peJhi,PI throu.&h other ~lwl.ndi, b11t cc:rur.t~ly oot b)' way of • poirtt ol order.

Mr. 8i8 aa.aJ. (WlMI ....... Hill): Mr. S,.ka,IIMJ I tqill tU. a!~"'.,._. a.ow ptcf.tl am to ,.,..·errx for rmr!ifla ..,.er u Kt.iTc ptrticipaat t. ~ debate -11aid -.. 110 dou.bl. part .t • C!Oftl.litutiooi:N1 waterdted ia c.--. iliaroty. F« betttr or f• wottt the CatWiiaa Patliarnc:•t il bdn& ulced to act UBIIt t crally on ,s;m::ral (tofll!l in (lf'd.r 10 b~-~~ •bt Is pcrceii!Od to be a cons.titutional sokmale ot klns nandio_g,

T«<a)' 1 wllltty to rcn«~et ort what we are bcina a~>kcd to du •• a Padlament, altd I IIIK tlle word "'refl«<" dcllbc.ratd7. Thix is t101 art cklct.IOG eam.~»i.ill. h is a debate abou1 tlle IICf)

n~turc aad ruturc ol our co1nttty. atld I crte.Oilr~,&e 811 t.oa. membcn to tee il ia tllaat tjpL I P*mc.~y ~ P" a DtDCat. IMI!'btn to ace tile debate 1e Wl Jia,ht '*-• I .. ft aoticed 011"'« tbc put rcw days siiiCC we bc:pa tM ckf:la• Oil tJte constitutioe a ctrtaU. parti:p1831:lp ud '" arrop_IU lad ot respect ror .-iewt crldcal of the ~,·, propoea!L I thlnt thk ia to be deplorccl In debata ol Jech utloiUI JiplifJCancc.

Whether •e be New Dcmoc;nlll. Con&ervatim N Ubc1111f;, we must llll assume 111.111 the otbcn cocnc: he:rc with a rca:p«t· able modicum o( ICWCI fOt tbla oou.ntry, howc:vcr YlltiOIII tl!r idCCIIoP:t a.nd it'JtelllfCiatiollll of traditio«! wt bril\l, tO dJt artic-.lati011 ol Lbit kwc fot Ctudll. This varicey aboitt wbd I am speatiQa is Caaadla.• •IML thcrdorc. thh variety it wort)z

o( bci~~& li.stcaccf to. if we ..... 10 Jaave a real dd.ICI allll 1111 ., au1 ~u.a ~n~tcL

COMMONS DEBA T'ES !109

Nt JOWMICfll. 1t0t evc~.n a frahJ)'-ttectc=d majofhy &oYCI'n• t. < .. b11ild • ~tilt)', f1!11CW federalism, CW ch•nac the

'fi!DI(IIlltiOlt lrlt acu 11 tbouJb dtit JlfOpoNI it jute onearoons •m•n1 proposnlt it has ranuncd thtoo&h ove:r the yeflrt.

J•tW. oontot J feel I mo$t mention tbe dim(u!ty thot it •'td In the consdtllional debate btta~~~e ol the II.Uit~ of

., pcr~~~~~e•U toward Caaadiu tlat:ioftalisll'l and C.udla" lli:IJ Mr tllc: )'t&rL There is a ditrte•fty lit tal~i-a 1bout C... wWQ hill QIIM Upoll us becaiUC ol tk political ...... ud attic.ta ol tk LIOcnl pttty. I waM to IDC8tia. Ill tfillkdy bac:a.se I fed il weate:as _, abdity "'do ..-frrr,;a,a • _, Weed.. be c:allcd • poa b)' W.tory to do at t.bis

" ...... ne ot.hcr day I -ore a maple leaf piD. one ot • JUI.ll'lbcr

I a..d received 'llfheft I we~~t to a OOflfcrciiOC ol the ~trpltlit.•M~~tlfY wt.loll. I had some leil ~r, 110 f tla.d p11-t • on roy .. pd. I• the oc.lltl.rlit ut one momina t'll'O people c. me '1111 to nK and asked me wby I ..,, wearina • Ubcnl pin.

J wu weati11.8 a mapJe kaf. Ubcral1 n1a.y hike 10mc ~Dttlnt utiJJ~tlon In this eoihCid~ of hl'lnjld, bill the pretllc.m Wlt lndia&tcd by m:y frimd from Bro~~o•fllkw-Grccn· liOod tile otkt day whe11 be spoke aboot bow he wUJ Mver k • • kC C.Mtli;&ll acae ;,. the same li&)lt .,..in. tltat be will .. ,. *'than as Ubcnb in disp.is!C. n.. wu a lttafftllfOUS .ay ol bri.ociq up a "Cr)' senous

..... ~ tht tk utiou.l S)'lllboh ............ ol c...o..ta .... ._,. c:o-aptcd by tbc l..a~l Pllr't.1· le it a 'l«'f _..,.. poliric:aJ tuaiCQ". Wt it IDClAIIf *' .- we llaw ._ .. 0.. pudc:da,. h&coric:al a'IOfltlmt. a ••• wbcll • 1: _, to tal\ Krioulty ud ia ckptb abrollt what h rnca.M lObe a c.-d-... CYUf t ind of i)Wlbol aod latl&fii.&C tlilat k available 11u 1t.r. l'ltfKlh or tllc U beraJ pany about it. That it ,., of th~ JN~em. ~ conl'litutiooal adw.:n..b:in& is metd)' I~ lateM iiMiplc of t.hlt patdculsr phei)()CMraOtt.

19' my ptrt thlc !lfternMn. I will Sptl.lk IC) th011c prOf!OAb fro~~ •li"• tbc acncr~l framework of a«eptancc in ptinclple •llilcd by the Ltader of the New .l)cmo«atlc Pllrty (Mr. tfQtllbNt) whtca is.. or eounc, q~~B-Iirted by om dcmaAd that

amciii.IMrnt on racer« QW~tenhip a!MI control be ac«pttd ~~~ .-dcr 10 IIISb tfli5 proplUJ \he baJaft«d I IMI IUMfivi.~

, ... it m.- be: it it is to be tbc t i llll o( propc~Mithlt • ncllcr tb a ~c:~n .,_... our coeJAtly. I •·In .,cat

.. r.. •1 •• tdf .. :edersb..lldi.J& at a ~-tJtMnliola c...lu • .._ lather a..t p.tfatla ~ iD tbr. 1.0 -., ... n fof tltc ale ol• <::anNa wllidl tbcy td~ wu ~t fl ndl Kf'ricc. • CaJaada wWcla I ua ktcnnlaod to ..._.in ACiil a wcwthy state altd:. i.ndctd, ineteUC it I( I Clfl .....

Si•lllllf. J wflt aliO Jfleilk Clul or my ~~elf·undc:rttandln& u eoe • 'ho Jre-' up tn a part or Winnipcf. Muitobli -bcre t lmoM cwtryOt'le had paOOparents wbo camoc fr01n atloth\!f l»unll)'. As Clhlklrcn In clerl'letttary pubUe iiChOOI, w·c Je~rMd ~towr COIIIIIry w11 ' ~ oi'C of two foundinJ peopkf or one or illrec, 1:>111 ' C.nada ol tiWlY peoples. ol Ukni"'-" C11n.adilu1S. h!llh Cl-•dbM. German Canadians, llali•n CaMdia-. Dltd Claadia111. Scottish Catllldians, Iris• Cuadius and ao

n, CfNtrtltutltHt

on, wOO<W'Itr li.me, av •'C auw up, ha'\'e C01Jie to call tJ•emlld'le:s juft Canadlans. Thit i5 8 Cl&«~ttdn whtch ill di!Yerent from tbc CaMda cf soutbc:rll Ontluio, tl•o n~aritlmC$ alld e..-en that of tar~- •nettopol.ilu OtntrOI like 1'oronto wbc:tc:, iltdc:cd. there a~ many immicrant pcopkt, but wbo have had a dilTcrcnt cxpetiencc from the pblnr tl!.pc:rlctM:C or im.m.icrant.s in tlle ...._

la any cue. "' i11tM New Ocftlocradc: Party arc fal'QIInbly dispo&c:d lO lk JOI'O'_.fa propog!s ma.inly beca.'* t.hoty rdlett loo&-~ p»h.iont of t.hc N~ Demoerat.K Party tt.dr. h iJ oaf)' aat•r.l rot lllelllbcn ol • politiaJ .-n, 10 fed sapponr.e ill pri.Spk ol idea& for Wlllidl their pany hu alwa )'I $lOOd. Let nx JI('O(lCOd itaa by ittt~~.

Our pany bu bla bcce ift fa"CMMr f)/ Pllriatil\& tbe COMtilu• rioft.. 'Jlle. bOIL mMtbtt for Winnipcc North Centre (Mr. Xr~owlel;) tcllt "' tbat 'lO yottl a.go M ir~truduccd a private member'& biiJ eo tbis effete. At I be party wtlicll, in my • iew,lt the only truly tlatiooaiUt paony In tbb COI,JDUy, we COiikl nu4 OClPQStl the pattf.~~tion of our consdtullon, llw:-btln.&ina: home ot our (lOOitilutioo to Canadi.lan soil.

We W rcuet lhal it bll to be done unJlat.traJiy, bv1 to be it. We are p«pared eo atcept t•llt ll1il h-J become a collSlitu.tloa· al ~ wdl u a symbolic «~ecatity. O•r deepest tqrd u N~ [)c~M(:f'8.t~ if lhal the Libc.nl J6Wmmcnt show5 to liult ietctCJt ia &Mac Caaadtua CIO!Itrol O'flef tlllrir owa tivu boil. coe.sdtll.tto.df a.od r<!OMmtafty. We will act rest util 1M: UM! of CIOGlprdlalliTc Caudla• ldf-dttttmiutioo i5 a rt:aJ.. ily. O.C forwa ol decokWutioll dct i+C$ UICitJacr. H~ . thtre-it 011e lhm& t 4o •rtc: in this rupc:c:L I haw IIICJiiccd a t:crldc:llq oo tbe ptU1 ol the pt.mmcnt, a nd member~ of tlle Progess:iYC CoiiiSCI"f'llti'le 1•any hll'e ri&)ltly pointed it 001., to LJik u thou&h aU we are doifll, if petrlatln& tbc comtil'llliOII. Thi:f may ~ wtll u anocher t.ibcul s&flllCIY. but it il fued:unenuJty dlsho..eJt, The propoAI b much. larger tlan that, aDd ~~~ ()( us tb<Juld bo entitled to debate h without ha•ina to liftco to rhetoric t boat haw the liberals oaty 1111r11 10 brint the con:stltwtJOil IWimc. Wllcrc I oome from. o.any Cuadiluu 01.rc !M Qnl)' tic:k ortd cJrcd of thls, Lbey are infuri· tied lit bciftl: $df·ria:htCOIIIJ)' toc.'1 uf'CIII on Cuadiuism by tbt Libual pe.rty ud iu IU~dc:t, tM Prime Minisur ( Mr. Tr111• dna). We do lli04 • m wer 10 •tm er to a.nyooc dx ill tK Libc:nl puty kw 0111 -...ra, at C .. adians. We dccpfy tCiiCtll • bl.t I cWd urtiu at t.he tr~Jk Cl!Hiptin3 ol C...S.a nalioaal symJds..

•""" O.r pany tw Iona bee• in faYOUr d a cbl.nef ol risbu and

frcodonu;, a ptJlitlon reiterated tcotetly by the redc:ral 0011rteil olthe N~ Democratic hrty. Thir ts wr iswe. Atone in this. Hou$1C! "''e ba\'0 a pNIKI record ol dcfcDding human ri&htt and frCCISoml wbm other& wore willin.a to turn a blind e)'C for fear of diSICrccing with a de1enl'lined j;<wcrnment or a rcarfto~l, awc:uhre ..najoricy. whether it was our critkism of the cnat• nwn• or Jap;anC$e C~tudianl durll\l tbe Sccoad World Wu or our oPJIQ!Sitioa to the peiuold deccntion or hundred' of iA~ cent Caaadianl Wider tile ••plco of the Wu Meuutcs Aet

3710 COMMONS 0 6-BA 1'ES O.:tob« I 5. 1980

71w CMJtltt~dotl

by the Jllime Prime Mutisttr who now ~ P about

frttdoms and rightll. Tatk about tmrsainina freedom •aainst

ti,h, Mr. Sptaktr-in 1970. frM:Ion•wassolddo"''" tbt rivtr for

nothit~~ bu.t sh«r politka.l oppcwtU nlw.

F'tadom of i•fon.doe il 001111blcntly wiole.tcd by ,._

IO"'ttnment (Ot ftD oll~r raiOon thaft it• OWfl tdf· itlt(:fut.

F~dom from la.,.·lcalneu, <H1 the p1ut or ti'IC police lol l till

bci~tt told 011t, tilrough the: rc:.ritAI ot this pcmml!nt to

rupoed apptopriltdy to tJw iiltJOf'IDitioa ~ealcd by the

M<O..kl~

We In tbc New Dcmocn~tic: Puty k:oow Vlhll.l it is Jlko-end

many of the ~r m.c:mbcn ()( the- pany know beucr thnn I

do-eo hu.: Olltkl\u and ou.r vk., reprdcd as sub¥et'JliY1.1

j~Ut baatliiC we: dare to ub a cliffcrm.t wkw ol soc:idy tAw!

th;~~t hctd b,. the po.'CD thr,;Jt be, altkluif' llow tbc ..oe-Yiotnt

pun uit or jtWioc and cqll.tlity etua be: viewed •• 3ubrt:nivc: In a

dtmoer~cy bas alwap been a lll)'Solery to me.

And 1'0 •-e s.ppon the d11Mcr of rif,hu afld ftUdoml, Mr.

Spcatcr, tNI ftCII aai¥dy ud 101 Mutocc:ally. h is a .$tlttiq

point. 8111 let '"not •Id ~tse:lva tUt a dlartcr or riahu win ~real,lltrd rttc:dom in the ubse•IIOC or a frccdoau-loorina tHwl frccclom vi&ilant poUtictl tonM:IOiltohCSS on the J'lllN of tltc

Cuadl .. people.

niJ chaNT don; 11ot ruJe out tile War Mea.saru Aet.

lt1decd, lt may be tile cue ttuu no democracy C'att t11k Oet

&o~ kind or e.mcracncy powc:rs, llowe,-tr lnnppropriatt the

~~act may be. More importAnt. U.e cbattt# of ri&htt d()tt.

ooc o1 ilklt rule out tile 1yrua:y olthe majority ;. uy ron..

Evat tile touru arc u.pn:s.riou or t11ot politbl ~ o1

their day, TbU iil th~ lntlglu .. whkh 0118}11 eo be respected. or

those V~ho a-ltlclu tt.e c:hlrt« Of riJ}Its and rrccdom• by

1kJtina thlt freedoms arc Wtirnttcl1 protc:etcd b)' political ud

..at le;pl reaJitie:t... ~ Mr. Speaker, auldlcd a I

am pcrJCM~llUy to tile tn~th ol this insi.alu. 1t i:s pn;citdy

because they will oontinoe eo be true anyw•y tbat I cu

!luppon 11 ehartc.r of ri&Jits. Comn'M)II law and parl lamenttry

51tpremUf may bll'C bcc:n s:u.rr'.cient for a time when there .,. . .,

... _. .a~r~,,. o1 YaJNS •a.d ~' o1 pcop~e~. tlfllt

tbac rna.y iltlkcd be wisdom i11 a dsaner of tl&Jl.ts r01 • c:uuntry ehara~«luct by a plu.rallsm ut people• 11nd values, In

tbe el)d, ~r. tbc:rc wiU be no 5ubs.titute ror kc:epin& che

~ of freedom 10 t.livc Out •he Jk)•crful d.lrc DCM moYe

apl-ast botMnomc: Ml..ntic:s or indMduk.

illis ia 1t01. eo ny, upon t'C:IkCifloa, that at tk "'Y least we

1bo111d ltOt alto be aware. if 0t1ly for the saki> or lnowi~ what

we arc doina. tllat flethap:s mtrcnchmeot or luunan riJ)IIJ u

aoeh may aot be the bat way to ot.ablisb a dwnet" ol ri&)tt.s. I

'-a..-e rad 101ne pcnu#te U(llll,.tlls d&ttitMttcd by a fWO/ct~>

aor .tt Catkwn Uai'Ym4ty :.tout a pn{ene:nce f« a bin o1

ri(llhU whb "priority ttalus .. a5 OfiPOSCd to '"cftttt"'llmcnt".

etc., so that el«ccd repteitt!tat.ivu would adU hsvc the On.l .. ,. Ennad11ment witr.otn (U:t'SIIbneet<1t ehaqa i• OIU judb·

ary. in ita fdf·u.odtts:Uindins and In ita: ~tea:l*lntability. coukt be il serious m.ittalte but only time •ill tell. bcc:11'"e it app<:~rt

that tk p:rvn11mcn• ;. c.:ommktcd witll a cut•m ·~ ol

pauion to tbia OOfiCiclpt. U t "' hope: that in the f11turc""" • •lt

hn\-t the rrecdonl to adju!lt aceqrd.in81y, lr we nctld 10. t l•~:

Supreme Cour1 ud ot~ affeccod areas.

O!lr pa.rty lw loll& beee i• fa"tWr- ol b"C~ nc.h» for

f'rtndl•lpeakins Caa.nt4ians. 10 we Sllppofl ''- etltrtftC:Iment

ol m.l"iitlty llln&uace cduCitlon righll, Frcnch·S!lltAUnl!

CatladhtM ouuid• Q\lebcc mt.u t be nblc to cduc:nt~ their

~ms i• Fm.clt., nu as Ell&tl•lt;;pea_kit~a people '" Qtdlct'

m.s.t .. Y'C. tht "cM to cdwtate their dlll,.tn ill ~ it

~ebcle. 1t S«I'M to cne. thif ia oely f.1ir. Wllat it ~ ptt tb

way. m•ny or the (lt)jwtiOOI 1('1 Frtncll l•n,vage auarJrllttt

dili&ppu_r,

Bwl we .- rmrsrunber ahc. lM Ca:uda ot wllicll I ,;fl(lb:.

earlier, the CIOmmllfliliu of U~.n:iu. Po6sl,. ~' lfi.J.

i:Jn, Oute• and British ~t. P.:rhaJ)!i it it bd.'aiiSiC hi310ty is

not t.au(llht well In our sdloola lbat the. atottu qf Frcndl

Ca.n.cb ,nd the histOrletl il&ttl of tbe t' rt.-cb Jan.&~ in

ea-a ;. ao m.kt.iocJcnJood. ror i•"*I!C)e, Mt wut.e:M c-.4&.

B•t lij.rdy it i$ •~ tJecaQC tlw M)o<alkd dlallttr J CantO il

001 pari Of the Jived Qtl8dian tllpe~t:nU O( AO mo~ny WC31CIIl

C.nadiao1. They tomc:timet feel that f.'rctlch ili beina

eatteACkd m M~Cb a way •• to mak.e thdr mother -~ ~ da.ttL n.c di!TttaelC brt~ t.hc Wuorical suu .. J

ftcocll C'aaada and ol tbc: FteM• laap~,p. •.nd thc$e pcoflk't

qwn lin_gui~ic 1utd cultural irutlncts is often o~red bc~IIK

tbey t..Ye ttot .. li\'Cd" lbe C.nlilll or two roundina j)C<)fll~. 01

hoclo.'a'tl - may ebcnle:-10 dc:teribe it. Thoc pcopk we 1(11

uti-f',...._ •ha..p 1JM* lqiti.rnue I11Ikt7 il sontd.­

oo-optod by 1MM wllo 1re. I~Mfecd, it1 "'1 ridi113 rrud

immctlic)n ed!Kation b. popuJtr.r. Tbcrc i• a Fn:tKb immenie»

&~.:bool J~ a \mltt and e half (t<lfn where I Jive,

Ya t~ is scitl md &o be done by way ol Q)IJUIUIIIICitKII

aad CJ. .. IIIrioe fllthit Pf'OPC*I.I,. flOC jut. tl) ..... accepba« fl tbe prQpoMI iuc:lf but in order lluat a resl foiCI or Cat~adia•life be rceoaruzcd, 11nd rccotnited In order tba1 C.nada C:tAA bi:

wtlllthmcd and noe jwt pteS~Crvod. Pwple m.st bt

~ to appt'CCb.t.e the fl«llll ud '11hto ol tliOM wa.o.c tuliity tt.cy cu110t l.mmcd:iatcl)' tkrc. I• tW.Iallk. tbe tallwt

or tbil 11'1 CaB1'1<1.1 Wi)t,dd be a bid ,;g,. ror tbc future oltk

"''Ol'kl, I( we can1101 live toccth« here; under rclathody (avour·

abk eo..Wtions thM there Is link hope thal the em~thic ....,.....,. eccdod for interutbtaJ jlll5.tiot aod del'eloflmt* ,.;u ewt materialia

Our fKLr1Y has always been in ravoo.r ot cqt.tlllhatio.n. Grut­

~ cqualhy of the human ClQflditloa is • aocl•li&t ptiooipk &lld

cquallutioll bttWKn ricbcr and ~r pnwi.nce:J i3 abiolutd)'

~,.,. if Caaada it 10 be ... lO •iaul• Mdll ......

~mi~lity and portabitlty ira llcaJth can. J'uat a moMh ,..,

the hrclllth .servWca review coiMf!I(U:d by rormct Jij&tl«

Emmen Hall teootntncnded OOI!t·llbarina wich pooreT pnwlnou

to fu:trtf •hal rcma.l111 of the Ofiaina.l ,,i.siofl ol a comprehcmiw

bt:atQ cart ~e~n ill CaAac:t.1 i• onser that t~ be eqwlity tl

hc2kh Clln ud that mu~tintfu.l aatkmll lt2~ k

muint•lncd.

COM.MO.'iS D£BA Tf.S l711

bdicw t. • "Na$ tntnl P.'U'fUI!It'nl. t.• .at m ._ bdfcotc 1• k bca~M rt will be •t.ohlldy IICICII:So­

lhad 10 pltrilltc., CCUIOII\1 and to devdop '-lftllf# M«taai'J for sa"iftt lht C'.aJaadi:u de-iNI111Jtril tir:adon 1 nd j;li;JN: tioll. A stroq

fockral wi11 be rcq11ited itl fiddJ stdt cc •. ·.·. : qu.ality ollife to CaAadi-

inlp:lrtallf!'e ollhe federal BOYt:rn• of wc:altlt mgst be cmpbuizcd. r ·~; ~;;;;,;;;~:;:u~t ftOW the job that t.he fedcraJ gowr..-

h .. don~ th4 1rc11 I. p(ICir indocd. In fflct, the JX)Or arc JICICI' and the rich •re richc:t. Ill)', Mr. Spe .. ", ... ,. arc. In favour of equ~~ l ir.atiQn in lhlt the aovernmcru is not. S..t we are ooooerncd

·~··.,,~u,.,;..,. u .tpcllcd oot iR the proposa.J, is too va_g~. 1111t1ntec tt111 equtt.lh.lltioo • ·ill be between &OYttn•

llltiiU • opp(IIICd tO ply•OUft 1.0 people« C.'IIWpuutions in ar~ aaned to b'lllfl n-.1. The hot!. tnembcr for Yorhoo·Mdvilk 1)11, N)"trom) ebbotated oa this poiot just the oth« d:ay. 'fWJ jlllrly .-ill be olfctifll appropri:ue :ammdtMaU ia a• llkllf&IO improww: ''" ,.,, olthc ~I wllat tb.oe commit· .liuQy.m.t.

Wt ate i1 tavou ol a• aMtadia& ICW1D.ta. I lDd: aD lion. il!llllll&lm .-w .,_ tUt il ....., be qvice ~ to briq * a.rir.dot llome wit.._, bcifla abk to do uJt)till& .nll il-ta wcfC' it kR:. We do, ~.lla'-""e.iOI!DeftfY tcriow -- •bout IJOC.'Cioll -42 •1w.rc it •ppear.s lht 100 mud ,.,.,a n bana ,;.n to 1-hc fc6cnl ~~ to raot.e 1tnre C!Mltihltiofta.l na.lell\lt~. Surely i1 is pdlimk:ti.e to • rite in .ell ~CCNrkl!l, a11d u I cat~nql imqi-nc lbal the:

olthU tealon &R CAiciat 10 tht pwn.mCJLt"s riai011 or

'•;;~~·J"~ir::~:~~[~:;;,upoec opet~ness to aMC:Mmtt~ts ie a may be e~ry Qr'ICC, bul to Pa.liiamCfll to act similarly •

.. ,,,..,,.,.m tbe ltrms ol 'fl'blcb t1ted 10 be JmprO'I'ed, Aoeml ut~nccew~.ry. Thk weaken!! l.he. ~bim thll lhlt I• J~o~•t 11 piiC:kll£-0 for the people and does not alter lcdenl ·ptO'fi~l-.1 rduJon.t. .. -

And w we rilld oumiWJ in r11vour, in ptiMiple. ollbc ma;or lhMts cJ tk: JoYC'Nimenl'' propo&&Ji. We •ill no doubt be tOQ$i"' im~mc:nu ie dt.u.il throu&JI amcndma~u $1111•

fellrd b)' o.r rrprc~~e•u•d,-a on tk ;ot.t committee. TK pm~mc•t '* iMJ)' •llould but tiCCd:s to be opce to ll.ldl UIC ... PXGCJ if ft il l.nd)' itltumcd i• utioe-blatldm&.-

la ,._ e10111ut I wbh 10 rn.ron:e ... , my ltadcr llu ahMJ ..W a boil I our ._.ad th.JI u amor:admcm rcinforcilla &1111 dltlll')"iic ptOri .. l OWIMfdllip a.fld «*tof of tC$OIIICIC$ be ~CC~rp~al Ill orda f« - 10 be ... 10 Alpporl Ut. att.ln a.A:il.mo-1 ~ nil k bccaure we bdion<e that i .. order for lM: COIIHil:~ttioMI watcnhcd to be a Jl(Jiili'te ooe and 001 a _,.rm oec:, the teh prioritic:a ol ..uc.cta CaiUda m.ut bt lddraeod. ft it tnle 1~ are tn•ny otbet tbinp ld\ to wwt tw1, fro~~~ lhCI S.pren» CC*rt 10 the Senate 10 family law to <OIIIIIMIDic.tiolll, l .nd to 011,. Thb. we hope to God. i& not the

TA.> CDAJrfr •JkM

f'iral a:.ak•tioMI -ord. Tlau-c is pkM:y (!{ wor\ kJ be. dollle af\u ~tO.tJo.. Mild! raM.illl to bt done. r« iiiiStulOe. il; '""" olp.ar••C«iq the "Pts ol women, of oati..-e people aact ol tN: Nedicl.pped. We wiU be: oiTctiftc ameed~nmts i-" thc:$c IJUI •• •-.11 afld we lnlll the ~cwenunml will be. opct1 to thac- ve~y in1~1111 areat ol OQDO:nl. Pc::rbapJ- 500)t. chute' trtl&ht ~~~ bt mMc bclorc the: oonstitutiOI'I is puriatcd. But if thi' k to be a COM~r•cliYC wonl i ll our ootlstitutioul b~ory and not a cknNedve _..,d, tber~ tbe ~rRmcnt m~ move on the crllie.l INliK or relnforc:intt ai'Jd elariJyi.ng pr<wintial uwn· c:Mip tutd c:ontrol 0( r(&Outca~, !IGn-w:thins, all I undcr11tabd it. it a beady usreod 10 0* before. OJIJ the openiog day of the~· neeent etmllthutkmnl OORferc:ncc.

The J(Wemnw:nt make\ m!Kh al thc daim H'O\t action cnust be uke11 If the (lfflfn~~ m~~clc to Qucbock«S in lbe refcrcn• dum Citltlf*lj.rl 11r~ to be r~o~ltiUcd. fiut matl)' ol tbost' wbu •-eot to Quebec to 1111111 for the No V61e sa.id tbat they, 100. willted C!Ofllthutloaal dtlllll't- Ta make c.wtly daoM: Clal.fl&tS wbkh arc pctCCh'td b)' tile JOVCf"IIK*II to fulfll it$ ptomho eo Quct. ia 10 brtray the ulllkntanclin& wllkll m:tlly Ca11Hilu W wllal tb('J ciiCOilrap:lthe:l.r fdlow Carudiam i• Q11ebec to q • tkrc ud work tor dll:lqc tocctkr. Ou amomd· meal putaillltla 10 rao.I"CC' owoenllip wiU sipi{QM)y rcdrc. tWI ...._liCit aad '"tru:t lk ~ wiO aettpt iL

Mtt~doa olthc rdctr:nd•m campaip. ia q...ebtc briap IDt to my r mal poii•a. wbida it tk claim tlu.t tbis prQpOAJ is tbt. acuwc:r. U..t tWI ~I it the noc:cdcd t'C$JIOMC lO t.be erisb fiOIOd by tltte Mlt.U.ntl4tl support for scwtrrigDty ~tioo &IMJwlt in ()u.eboc:. I .... nt t.G &ugat tha·t t)lc Prime Miftintt (Mr. Trudcau) is r11r 100 lldf001nfident about tbe ability ol his rittiOO, bow~r noble, 10 fu lfil tt.l: aspirations of tho8e •ho YOtcd Ya in tbc rcrerc:Mum, or indeed to fulfil dlt aspiratMwls or thole who voted No. Ilia il a c:lanically Liberal view or reality-and I u11c '"llbd'al" in tbe s.mall .. 1 .. «me-with indi¥1dv11l Frt.nc:h Ctlnadi11ns maki118 their •ny in tbe 0011text or equ.aJity ot OII(!Ortunlty und ofrtciol biling\lalism anywhere ill Cal'lada. Thtt. b hit vltion.. He Jtas had it for .some-lime ond il •Ppcllt1 it will be tulfillcd before:. be retires. Jt is a goal wbk:b. I admit, r(a:hls old wron!JI, 1r it is a«c:pc_cd by the Cuadlu pt<~pl• lt will mcn,tbcn fnteralistn aod tbc di$tifte• tiftMIII or C.11Ada on the North Anwrian Obntiflc:nt. &tt it il a vision tllat dOCIIIOtlfll'<lll!er I!IN' 4_11dtiQm «MW probktrtt.

All over tiM: wotw-eftd here I can spak about Quebec u a ~ebcctcr, bccn~e what I a m '-'tin& a bout is 1110t jut h:appc:•llt& &. QM.__pcoplc arc a.mec ~ .tat tky ea. clo ICCdlwr at a,_.,. u • pcop&e. as a CQimJ:I .. -.y. Muy Pl""f* IIC WC&tJ ol lk .otkl te wlaidl WC IIC all ;..s.. ~ nil MW iiCIIIlC of COdUilUit)'. or tbc: ddi:rc (c. it. tc1m111 to be ~ tbc ha ol tile Prime MinGttt alld iDd«d beyoed tk lea ol the Ubenl p1my. All pog:p lhial:i-"1 1$

ll)(;tC tribaJiun 1IICI res~ NatiOfll.lhm is bad, k i1 jufl a.otbet &hol:t ol O.piaa"- For a mu wi'tb 1 ~plltatM *l .__. intdlott••l. the Prlmc Mtllistcr displays 111 amari~~g Jaet of i:ntN.abt i11 t~ia i.-e. h't u U*'alu he ltoppcd lhinlcitl& •bou1 20ycartaao.

l112 COMMONS DEBATES October U, UIO

'I'll~ Coit¥11111./{0ff

Ma.,y people want a 1110.-e tnunan aM chc:rcrc.wc urt~:n a MOre dceentnll'l.cd 11nd C'IOftununlt·y-«ic:ntcd retlity, They wut to feel I bey )lave mw~ con LNI ovtr thc:it ooll~t ivc. li.,ct UM:n molkm 50Ciecy bat bc<c11 aWe to &i\~ them so far. T11ut lht~ ~ ltWI)' ~ i• ~ wboln I t .cw; per· IOU&Ity, wbo 'tOCCid Ya ill the rd'a-Cnd-.m.. W.y c6d they ~e Ya dl u.e rc-fetaldaal 1'ky 1'0Ud Yc:t tlli.W...S tbt ~~~a)ilc. 018 fu "'*"' ~ wo.ld ... piiKe-wbcrc they Qllltkl M:aft otr the I'O""i:n& i:ntf'U$ioft of ., ....... ttfbi)(C: (lQfttrol ... ..... m•nization: that modem IOC~J seem• to briag with iL Thil is 1M real tnuning or mafly people'• new ra.scin~ttillll wi1h .well thtnJ~. u thcir 1;1111ur~llckntlty. b&c.<:~lde c:uh\lrc it tometlllns which tuunaM have AJ n ll'OUP· lndiriduals are 100 oltcn red~ ot~l)' to the ootlllumpdon of imi&.C$ m11rketed by tile mau media. Culture ill nut j~ rood and danc:i:na or CNCD

1111&\II.JC.. lt ia IOmClhin& 1.11 b r.lly a.Uvc orlly to the CIIIC:fll U...t tlle pe.oplt wlw> dc.ire it have oontro1 orrcr ~ i~ whidl domiute their 1;..... In 1hlt respoc:t. Qgc:boc: arid tbc fnO'I'CGIC:Ot ill ()Qc:bcc tOttf.rcl 101acipl,...a.ssociaU. _... a &1 .. ot ltope for Ca ..... h wu a cluocc. to .,.ow. 11 "' a cllan" t.bt nu.ybc i:n. lk aspit•Uc:w. ol Qwebcc tlrw rut ol ttS

in Eqli\b Canada could tc'l 8 KM.e of Wbat M rtcc:dod 10 do aa a. peopJe, thst wt aecdcd to •t.a.nd •P and stop lk ctotk>n or (Mlr idenlity and culttJrc, tOitop lk way in which w~ 11re beina &wa.llo111·«1 up by tl'tc No.th Amarican. tcality, to tbu.l tbc lamwt ol Cuadian thlnkcn $-\lCh ar Oeor!e G-taot miJht be pn::mat\lrc inuead of ptophetle.

Tbt 001\Stitutiotlal p.ckaae doca ooc addnsi 1hse ooncerr~a.

I predict. t.hcrc:lor~ it will not be the sobrtioll or tbe a111wcr 10 aooruc:ipty.ur;oc:iat.ioa thttll if: dalmod to be.

l.a doli~~~&- Mr. Speak«, I tlliaL ic is lmp:wtut 10 mniad ounehu.. if •'C" tale Ktlo.sty for • momc1u lhc ptaycn

uttetod $(1 ~ptdly and mt.llnlnalocssty at the bcal•utlnt: or~·

5C:S5iORJ each day, tb11t tbc biblical prophets ar1d other """ men e.!ld •-otn«< 0\'Ct 1~ )Uit, includJnB Chrln hlmtdf. o:mtcMcd with the authoritkf ..ot aboel intc.Nial C:OIIIS.IiUitiln­•1 matters. but atJo.t whether juc1ce wu bc:i:n3 dcwlc. • ·Mtkr lllc eciPboill:r ..... bdJII looktd aft«. C"UU tltc k.au olt ~ We ut OOGUIIII.o6eci &o Mdt r.n~ tK ~ ot God aad ill ju:sdeJC., ud ~ arc pto.~IIMd tMt if we do ta. C¥U)1...._ die wil r~•· into pace. ~rhaps m 1M abaetiCc ot a eommitmcnc to rau cn'pbY"

mcn.t, to adequate pMticMif, to IIIC:Cdcd cbild ea.re ptc)fnmt. to

the setUcment of laod claims, to beahb cafe U.$ • rlaht. 11111 cku.n cnvi:ronrMnt •nd work r l•cc, to lfltc:t•tjonal pc11oe t nd lkvclopmctlt-iOOood In the ab&enc:c 61' a c:ooor~•e oonullit• mcnt to juitke ia Jelktlll we. have oo ri&ht, 1'10 riJhl •tii&IW-­

C\'t:t. to ex:poct tlltt thl:s fii'OI*II ot atl)' other lite ir lll'ill be the •• _... lO Ollt prollkmJ.

Mt.~ ( £Jc ' •a4b&n= 't"): May 1 call il sb. o'dd.. Mr. SpcUt:t1

IIth. ~Do I lfndc:n.t.and. Mr. Spcakct,llltllt t& .o­ili• o'dock, or h:u 1be bolt. member f« f..q,utmsft.Sfla•kl

(Mr. Mu/11'0) called it tb. o'clod:?

ne Mtiet s,tater (Mr. Et-..er): The: Cbait rcooenlld that it was il• o•ctodc and tbcrcfo.c: amn(l( rccogr~itc ll!loCII,h«

member rrom tM noor. ITmlt.dot~)

lt bei:n!sis o'eJoet. the llou.te AaftCb adjoumed UJLiil IOIIIOir• row al 2 p.m .. ,.tu.A.M to St:aJidlna Order l( I).

AI 6<19 p.m.. lll< 1'-o4joo,.d. witllool q-loo ,... pmunt IO Sw.lilta ()rdar.