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Yet Another MailWorking Group
IETF 78
July 29, 2010
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Pass the blue sheets around
• We have a secretary to take notes • Need a jabber channeler
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Finding Yammerers
• Mailing List:– [email protected]
• Jabber:– xmpp:[email protected]
• Audio Stream:– http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf785.m3u
• Meeting Materials:– https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/78/
materials.html#wg-yam
• WG Wiki– http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/yam/trac/wiki
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Agenda
• 60 minutes – 15:10 – 16:10
• Note well - 1 minute
• Agenda bashing - 4 minutes
• Mime Expert Review of image/svg+xml – 10 minutes
• Two-Track/Plenary Redux – 45 minutes
image/svg+xml
• Mime Expert Review
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Document Status
• Since IETF 77• Pre-eval IDs published
– 4409 (submit)– 5321 (smtp) – reviewed by IESG– 5322 (format)
• Additional work sidelined by Two-Track uncertainties
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Our WG’s Goals
• Advance documents to Full Standard– Fixing things as needed
• Process Experiment– Experiment on a way to get documents moved to
Full Standard– Act as a catalyst
• “If you don’t know where you are going, you could end up somewhere else.”
• – Yogi Berra
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Two-Track / Plenary Redux
• draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-01– Only two levels:
• Proposed Standard • Internet Standard
– 6 month wait no longer required– Existing Draft Standards moved immediately
to Full Standard
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Plenary Redux
• Lots of support for going to two levels at the plenary• Not clear where discussion will continue, when
consensus would be called, or when and how the issue would be decided
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If Two-Track Goes Through…
• We’re done!
• Or are we?
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If Two-Track Goes Through…
• Some of the docs really do need work to be done on them– For example,– Minor clarifications for 4409, 5321, 5322– MIME– MDN
• However, republishing a “Full Standard” doc is sometimes troublesome– Can instead get the update work done by
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If Two-Track Goes Through…
• Yes, if we choose to do this other type of work, it does require a recharter
• We’ve also always said that after YAM’s current charter is finished, we would then consider progressing various Proposed Standard docs forward– Is now the time?
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“Conditions are never just right. People who delay action until all factors are favorable do nothing.”
– William Feather
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Where are we?
• Two-Track has not been adopted yet• Should indecision there prevent work
finishing up 4409bis, 5321bis, 5322bis?– These could be finished long before we get a
decision on Two-Track– Or maybe not. How’s your crystal ball?
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Open Mike
• “It is a paradoxical but profoundly true and important principle…that the most likely way to reach a goal is to be aiming not at that goal itself, but at some more ambitious goal beyond it.”
– Arnold Toynbee
“It's always too early to quit.” – Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
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