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Episode105:HowtoBeatAnxietyandResolve

PanicAttackswithTargetedAminoAcids


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometotheHealthyMomsPodcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com,andI'mheretodaywithfoodandmoodexpert,TrudyScott.She'sacertifiednutritionistandshe'sonamissiontoeducateandempoweranxiouswomensothattheycanfindnaturalandnutritionalsolutionsfortheiranxiety,panicattacks,andstress.AndI'vegottenalotofquestionsaboutthisandI'msoexcitedtohaveherheretoshedsomelightonthose.Soshe'sknownforherexpertiseintheuseofaminoacids,specificallyforalotofdifferentanxietyrelatedconditionsthatwe'rereallygoingtodelveinto.She'salsotheauthorof"TheAntianxietyFoodSolution:HowtheFoodsYouEatCanHelpYouCalmYourAnxiousMind,ImproveYourMood,andEndCravings"andthehostof"TheAnxietySummit."Andbothofthosewillbelinkedintheshownotes,ofcourse.I'mreallyexcited.IknowI'vegotalotofquestionsaboutthistopicandshe'sgonnaprovidetheanswers.SoTrudy,thankyousomuchforbeinghereandwelcome.Trudy:Thankssomuch.I'mexcitedtobehere,Katie.Katie:Well,youhaveaveryspecificexpertiseinthisandifit'sokay,I'dloveforyoutostartbysharingyourownstorybecauseyou'veexperiencedtheresultsfirsthandfromwhatIunderstand.Trudy:Yes.Iactuallygotintothisbecauseofmyownanxietyandpanicattacks.Andit'squitefunnybecauseIamaworldtraveler,I'marockclimber,I'vedonesomecrazythingsonLedgesandZionNationalPark,I'vedoneiceclimbing.SoIwouldneverhaveconsideredmyselfananxioustimidkindofperson,butinmylate30s,Istartedtogetincreasinglyanxious,andIwouldwakewiththisfeelingofdoom,Iwouldwakewiththisfearthatsomethingwasgonnahappenandhadnoideawhatitwas.Andtherewasnothinginmylifethatwascausingitotherthanstress.IwasworkinginCorporateAmerica.Iwasworkingreallylonghours,Iwasreallystressedout.AndIwasgoingthroughhormonalchanges,goingintoperimenopause,anditwasacallatthisperfectstorm.Iwaseatingavegetariandiet,Iwaseatinggluten,Ihadamouthfulofmercuryfillings,IhadallofthesethingsthatwerecontributingtocausingthisbiochemicalimbalanceinmybodyandasIgotalittlebitolder,Iwasgettingmoreandmoreanxious.IhaddevelopedsocialanxietywhichwascrazybecauseIconsidermyselfasocialbutterfly.Andallofthesethingsweregoingonandupward.Whereonearthisthiscomingfrom?AndIgrewupinSouthAfricaandwedidn'tgotothedoctoralot.Wehad,probably,hadyouknow,abottleofcoughsyrupinthecupboardandmaybesomediaspora.Itwascalleddiasporainthosedays,andtherewasit.Andweneverevertookmedication.SoIlooktonutritionalsolutions.Ijustthoughtthere'sgottobesomethingbiochemicalgoingonhere.AndIendedupworkingwithawonderfulnursepractitionerandanaturopathandstartedtofigureoutthatitwasmyadrenalsthatwereburnedout,thatIhadglutenissuesthatIneededtogetridofmyheavymetals,andallofthesefactorswerecausingwhatIlaterdiscovered,lowzincwascausingnoGABA,wascausingbothserotoninwhichwascausingmyanxiety.Andeventually,ittookmanyyearstofindalltheanswersandIsortofputallthesepuzzlepiecestogether,butIdiscoveredIhadlowGABA.AndGABAwasanaminoacidwhichwasamazingforme.Itcompletelystoppedthepanicattacksandtheanxiety,butIstillhadtogettotherootcauseofalltheseotherthingsthatwerecontributingtowhyIhadlowGABAinthefirstplace.Butlongstoryshort,Inolongerhaveanxiety.Idohavetolookaftermynutritionalstatus,Ihavetowatchmystresslevels,butIwassoamazedbyallofthisthatIwentbacktoschooltobecomeanutritionistsoIcouldlearnmorefirstlyformyself.AndthenasIlearnedthepoweroffoodandnutrients,Ithought,"Ohmygosh,Ineedtosharethisinformation."AndIgaveupmycomputerjobandbecameanutritionistandwrotemybookandnowIeducatewomenaboutthisbecausesomanywomenatthisagestarttonoticethisincreasinganxiety.Andevenif...youknow,andI'mseeingitinwomenyoungerand


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younger,butit'sverycommontoseeitaswomenaregoingintoperimenopause.AndIjustlovethatIgettohelpotherwomenputallthepuzzlepiecestogetherbecauseImentionedafewofmyrootcauses,buttherootcausecanbedifferentforeachindividualperson.Katie:Yeah,that's...yourstoryisreallypowerful.Andbeforewegodeeper,becauseyouhavesuchdeepknowledgeonthis,Iwannamakesurewedefinetermsforanybodywho'snotfamiliar.So,youmentionedanxietyandstressandworryandevenpanicattacksandhowthosearerelatedtolowGABAandlowserotonin.So,beforewegoanyfurther,canyoudefinewhatGABAandserotoninareforanyonewhomaynotbefamiliar?Trudy:Yes.So,thosebothareneurotransmitters,andGABAisthemaincalmingneurotransmitter.AndGABA'salsoactuallyhappenstobeanaminoacidthatyouusetoraiseGABAlevels.Andthenserotoninisanotherneurotransmitterthatwethinkof...weoftenassociatewithdepression,butwecanalsobeanxiouswhenwehavelowserotonin.AndthedifferencebetweenthetypesofanxietythatyoumayhavewhenyouhavelowGABAversuslowserotonin,withlowGABAyouhavephysicalanxiety.Soyou'llfeelthistensioninyourbody.Alotofmyclientswillbesittingtherewiththistensionintheirshoulders,theirshouldersmaybehunchedandyoucanphysicallyfeelitinyourgutoryoumayfeelitinyourshoulders.Withlowserotoninanxiety,andyoumayalsohavethedepression,youmayhavewinterblues,youmayhaveinsomnia.Sothere'salotofsymptomsthatgowithboththelowGABAandthelowserotonin.So,thelowGABAisinphysicalbutthelowserotoninisinthemind.Soit'stheworry,it'stheruminatingthoughts,it'sthereprocessing,it'sthenegativeself-talk,"WhoamItobedoingthiskindofthinking."Sothat'sthedifferencebetweenthelowGABAandthelowserotonin.SoImentionedthatwiththelowGABA,there'sanaminoacidcalledGABAwhichraisesyourGABAlevels.Withlowserotonin,there'stwoaminoacidsthatareveryeffective.Theoneistryptophanandtheotheroneis5-HTP.Katie:Great.Solet'sgoalittlebitdeeperwiththose.Iknowthatthisisverymuchinyourspecialty,usingspecificaminoacids.AndIalsothinkthat'sanareathatisnotaswidelyknown.Ithinkpeoplearecomingaroundtotheimportanceof,forinstance,vitaminDandtheimportanceofomega-3s,butaminoacidsstillkindofstumpalotofpeople.Solet'stalkaboutthat.Whataretargetedaminoacidsandhowcouldapersonfigureout,basedontheirowntypeofanxiety,whichonetheymightneedtolookat?Trudy:Andthisiswhytheaminosaresoamazingbecausetheyaretargeted.SothewayIdoitisI'llhavesomeonedoaquestionnaire.SoletmejustgothroughthesymptomsforlowGABAandlowserotonin,andthenI'llsharewithyouwhattargetedaminoacidsmean.Becausewewannatargetittoouruniqueneeds.AndyoumentionedvitaminD.JustlikeyoutestyourvitaminDlevels,that'lltellyouthatyou'vegotlowlevelsandyouneedtosupplementwithvitaminD,thenyou'llretestandseethatyourlevelshavecomeup.Withtheaminoacidsandthelowneurotransmitters,IfindusingaquestionnaireisthebestwaytoassessthefactthatyoumayhavelowGABAandyoumayhavelowserotonin.Thenyoudoatrialoftheaminoacidbasedonyouruniqueneeds,andthenyouredothequestionnaireandyouseehowthingshavechanged.So,ifwelookatlowGABA,wehavethephysicalanxiety,wehavestiffandtensemuscles.So,asIsaid,youputthisphysicaltensioninyourbody.Andthentheotheraspectwiththelowneurotransmittersaswellastheanxietyisthecravingsaspect.Sowitheachoftheseneurotransmittersdeficiencies,you'llhavetheanxietyorthemoodsymptomsandinthecraving.SowithlowGABA,you'llhavethecravingsforsomethingsweetorsomethingtocalmyoudown.Soyouwould...letusgothroughthelowserotoninaswell.Sowithlowserotonin,youhavethementalanxiety,theworry,thedepression,theinsomnia,thePMS,thepainissues,youmayhaveTMJoryoumayhavefibromyalgiaissues.Andthenwiththelowserotonin,thesymptomsareafternoonorevening


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cravings.That'sthebigcluethatitcouldbelowserotonin.Soyouwoulddothequestionnaire,writeyoursymptomsonascaleof1to10,andthendoatrialofoneoftheaminoacids.AndwhatImeanbythatisthatyoutakethelowestamountofeachoftheaminoacids,ifwe'relookingatGABA,itwouldbe125milligramsofGABA.Ifwe'relookingattryptophanforthelowserotonin,itwouldbe500milligrams,andyoutrialit.Soyouwillsay,"Whataremysymptomsrightnowandonascaleof1to10,andthenyoutrytheaminoacid,andthenyouseehowthesymptomschange.Thatwayyouwillknowexactlyhowmuchyouneed.Ifyougetabigrelief,ifit'shelpingyoualot,that'sagoodstartingdose.Ifyou'renotgettingreliefimmediately.AndwhenI'msayingimmediately,I'mmeaningitwithinfiveminutes.Youwillseeanimpactwithinfiveminutes,thenyouwouldincreaseyourdose,andsoyou'refindingthetargetedamountforyou.Now,ImentionedearlierthatIhadmanyrootcausesformyanxiety.LookingatlowGABAandlowserotonin,whichwe'regonnatalkabouttoday,isjustoneparticulararea.Sotherecouldbeotherfactors:lowzinc,itcouldbethegluten,itcouldbethyroidconditioncancauseanxiety.So,we'rejustlookingatoneparticulararea,butifyouusetargetedindividualaminoacidstoraisethoselevels,thenyou'readdressingoneparticulararea.AndthedeficiencyofGABAandserotonincanhavemultiplecauses.Itcouldbejustageneticthingthatyou'rebornwithlow,youknow,you'veinheritedfromyourmomoryourdad,andwomenalsomakelessserotoninthanmen,forexample.Sothere'smanyreasonswhyyoumayhavelowserotoninorlowGABA,butifyouusethesetargetedindividualaminoacidsbasedonyouruniqueneed,youcanseeresultsveryquicklywithinfiveminutes,andthenoverthecourseofthenextfewweeksyoushouldbeseeingresultsveryquickly.Alotofmyclientswillsay,"I'mnotseeinganyimpact,shouldIkeeptrying,youknow,howlongshouldIbeaimingfor."Thethingthat,abouttheaminoisthataresoamazing,isthatyougetresultsrightaway.Ifyoudon'tgetresults,itmeansit'snotenoughoritmeansyoudon'tneedit.Itsnot...theanxietyisnotcausedbylowserotoninorlowGABA.Katie:Thatmakessense.AndIwouldassume,atleast,thatifyoudon'tneedit,itwouldbenotwisetocontinuetakingit.Trudy:Yes.Correct.Becauseifyou...Andthisgoestoifyou'retakingtoomuch,itcanactuallycauseoppositeeffects.So,ifyou'retakingtoomuch,itcanactuallymakesymptomsworse.Sothat'swhydoingthetrialisverybeneficialbecausethenyoucanfigureoutwhatyouridealamountis.Andsomeofmyclientsarecalled"pixiedust"clients,andtheyneedaverysmallamount.SoImentioned500milligramsfortryptophanasthestartingdoseforlowserotonin,butifyouareasuper,supersensitiveperson,andI'llnoticebecauseonthequestionnaire,whenI'mworkingwithsomeone,they'lltellme,yes,theyreactverystronglytomedicationsorthey,youknow,respondedtosupplements.Youknow,supplementshavebeensupereffectiveormaybetooeffectiveinthepast,thenI'llsay,"Let'shaveyoustartinaverysmallamount."Andinthatcase,youcanactuallyopenupacapsuleandjustwetyourfingerandtakeadab,andthatcanbeenoughtomitigatesomeofthelowserotoninsymptomsorthelowGABAsymptoms.Soit'svery,veryindividualized.Andthat'swhydoingthetrialisreallyimportant.Youknow,alotofpeoplewouldhearmedotheseinterviewsandsay,"Ohmygosh,thatsoundslikeme.Myanxietyissobad.I'mgonnagoand,youknow,500milligramsisdefinitelynotenough.MyanxietyissobadI'mgonnatake1500milligrams."Andthat'stoomuchforalotofpeople.So,alwaysdoonthesideofcaution,startlowandthenseehowyourespondduringthattrial,andthenincreasebasedonhowyourespond,ifyouneedtoincrease.Soyoualwayswannabetakingtheminimalamounttocreatethemostbenefits.Katie:Thatmakessenseandthat'ssuchawisepieceofadviceforsomanyaspectsoflife.Ifeellike...So,fromwhatI'munderstanding,somethinglikevitaminDthat'svery...youcangetempiricaldata,youcantestto


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knowexactlywhatyourlevelsare,butwiththese,theapproachinsomewaysisactuallyeasierbecauseyoucandothequestionnairewithyouandfigureoutpotentiallywhichaminoacidtostartwithandthentryitrightaway.Isthatright?Trudy:Yes,that'sright.Andwhenyou'redoingitonyourownandevenwhenI'mworkingwithsomeoneoneonone,I'llhavehimdooneatatimebecausethenyoucangaugewhichis,youknow,whattheireffectsare.Soyoudon'twannasay,"Well,I'vegotlowGABAandI'vegotlowserotoninbasedonthequestionnaires.I'mgonnatrybothofthem."Dooneatatime,thatwayyoucanfigureout,"Okay,myworry,mynegativeself-talk,that'sanineoutof10.Youknow,Ijustcan'tstopthinkingaboutthisdiscussionIhadwithsomeoneandIdon'tthinkI'mgoodenoughtobedoingwhatI'mdoing."Youknow,someoftheothersymptomsthatwethinkaboutwithlowserotonin.Sydney,withthewomenthatIworkwith,isself-doubt,perfectionism,impostersyndrome.Youknow,I'manimposter,I'mactuallyspeakingonstageorI'matworkandI'mdoingsomethingandpeoplearegonnafindoutthatI'mnotasgoodasIreallyam.It'sacommonsignoflowserotonin.Sorateyoursymptomsonascaleofoneto10.So,"Ah,I'manineoutof10forallofthose,andI'vegottheseterriblecravingsintheafternoonortheeveningforcarbohydrates.Ihavetohavesomethingfordinneroryouknow,lateafternoon.Mysymptomsarenineoutof10."Take500milligramsoftryptophanorlessifyou'rethepixiedustpersonandsee,okaywithinfiveminutesI'mnotfeelingsonegative.I'mfeelinglikeIcouldsmile,I'mnotthatworriedthatIheardaboutthatpersoninthediscussionwehad.That'sgone.Okay,mysymptomshavegonefromanineoutof10tomaybeasixoutof10,that'sareallygoodsign.Sothen,youwouldstarton500milligrams.AndwhatIdidn'tmentioniswiththetimingoftheaminoacids.Withtryptophan,it's500milligrams,mid-afternoonandeveningbecausethat'swhenourserotonintakesadip.AndthenwithGABA,it'sthroughouttheday.Soyoucouldtakeitfirstthinginthemorning,mid-morning,mid-afternoon,andevening.Andtheaminoacidsneedtobetakenawayfromprotein,soinbetweenmeals.Sothey'renotcompetingforabsorptionwiththeproteinthatyoumaybeeatingatameal.Katie:Thatmakessense.Soinyourownscenariowhenyouwerehavinganxietyandpanicattacks,howdidyoutargetthe,yousaid,GABAand5-HTPyouweretaking?Howdidyoutargetthosespecifically,andhowdidyouknowtheywereworkingforyou?Trudy:So,Ididn'tknowaboutanyofthose.Ididn'tknowaboutdoingatrial,Ididn'tknowaboutusingthesmallestamount,andIdidn'treallyknowmuchaboutserotoninatthetime.IdiscoveredGABAthroughtheworkofJuliaRoss.So,JuliaRossistheauthorof"TheMoodCure."She'samentorofmine.Iactuallyworkedinherclinicfortwoyearsand,youknow,Ialwaysliketogivehercredit.Sheisapioneerintheuseoftheaminoacids,andIhadabookandhadreadaboutGABAand...Itwasalongstory.Initially,whenIhadtheanxietywhenIhadmyfirstpanicattack,whichwasterrible.IfeltlikeitcameoutofnowhereandIdidn'tknowwhatitwas.Alotofwomendon'tknowwhatitis.AlotofwomenwillendupintheERbecauseIthinkthey'rehavingaheartattack.That'showbaditis.You'vegotthisracingheart,youcan'tbreathe,you'vegotpalpitations,you'vegottheclammyskinandyoujustdon'tknowwhatitis.So,thefirsttimeithappened,Ihadnoideawhatitwas.AndIrememberIwaswithmyhusbandandthissortofcameoutoftheblueandIwasabsolutelyexhaustedafterward.Andhespentallnightonthecomputertryingtofigureoutwhatitwasandwhatthesolutionmightbe.Andhecameupwiththeanine,whichissimilartoGABA.IconsideredGABAtheRolls-RoyceoftheaminoacidsforhelpingwithlowGABAlevels.IconsiderthetheaninemaybetheBW.Youknow,it'sasmaller,lower,lesseffectiveversion.Somepeopledoreallywellwiththeanine,butItriedtheanine,itdidn'treallyhelp.ThenIrememberedwhatI'dreadaboutJuliaRoss'sworkandtriedGABA.AndIactuallyuseGABACalmwhichisaSourceNaturalsproductthatyoucanbuyoverthecounterandusedthatanditcompletelystoppedtheanxietyandthepanicattacks.Soitwasreallymiraculous.AndthisiswhatIsee


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withmyclients,yougetresultsrightawayandthenyoucan,firstlyyoufeelhope,nowyouthink,"Ohmygosh,I'mokay.I'mgonnasurviveandnowIneedtostartlookingforthesolutions."Atthetime,Ididn'trealizetherewerealltheseotherunderlyingfactorsthatwereanissue,butasIstartedtodigdeeperIfoundout...Sodowntoyourquestion,IusedtheGABAinitiallyandthenasIstarteddiggingalittlebitdeeper,thenIdiscoveredlowserotoninwasafactorbecausealthoughtheGABAhelpedwiththephysicalanxietyandthepanicattacks,Istillhadthisperfectionismissue.Irememberworkinginthatcomputerjobandbeingcalleduptodoanappraisal.AndtheytoldmeIwastoomuchofaperfectionistandIneededtoletgoalittlebit.AndIwas...Icouldn'tbelieveanyonecouldthinkthatwasabadthing,youknow.Soitwasinterestinghow,asyoustarttoimplementsomeofthese,youstarttorealizesomeoftheseotherthingsthatyoumaythinkisjustapersonalitythingorit'sjustme,it'sjustthewayIam.Yourealizethatsomeofthesethingscanberelatedtobiochemicalimbalances.Katie:Itmakessense.AndIthinkIhavefriendswhohaveexperiencedalotofthose.Andsomehaveturnedtothemoreconventionalrouteanddonethedrugsandothershavereallylookedattheaminoacidthing.I'mcuriousbecauseifyoujuststartlikeresearchingaminoacids,yougetallkindsofinterestingwarningsanddangersandjustthingstobeawareofandespeciallyrelatedto,maybe,pregnancyandbreastfeeding.Butarethereanyprecautionsorcontraindicationswhenyou'redealingwithaminoacids?Inmymind,Ithinklikeaminoacidsareproteinessentially,butyou'vegottheminanisolatedandconcentratedform.Soaretherethingstobeawareofthere?Trudy:Yes.Theredefinitelyare.Solet'slookat...Ifwe'relookingatlowserotonin,ifsomeoneiswantingtodoatrialofthetryptophanorthe5-HTPandtheyarecurrentlyusinganSSRI,whichis,youknow,somethinglikeProzac,oneoftheantidepressants.Iwillhavethemtalktotheirdoctorandmakesurethatthedoctor'sonboardwiththemtrialingthetryptophanorthe5-HTP.Andthereasonbeingisthereisthistheoreticalconcernaboutserotoninsyndromewhichmeanstoomuchserotonincancauseadverseeffects.Toomuchcoming,youknow,becauseofthefactthatyou'retakingthisantidepressantandnowyou'readdingatryptophanontopofit.Ihavenotseenanissuewithit.ThereisnoactualresearchshowingthattakinganSSRIwith5-HTPortryptophanhascausedserotoninsyndrome.AndthereareactuallyoneortwostudiesthatshowthattakingtheseaminoswithanSSRImakesitmoreeffective.So,butthereisthisprecautionandwejustwannabecareful.Andcertainly,whensomeone'sonmedications,Ialwayswanttoworkwiththeirdoctorbecauseit'snotsomethingasanutritionistthatI,youknow,it'soutofthescopeoftheworkthatIdo.SoI'llhavethemtelltheirdoctorthattheywouldliketodothis.Ifthey'redoingtheSSRIatnight,they'llswitchtheSSRItothemorningandwe'llmakesurethatthetryptophanistakensixhoursawayfromtheSSRI.Andtheirdoctor,youknow,Isayalwaysworkwithyourdoctor.Youmaygetadoctorsaying,"Thisisnotgonnawork."Youmayhaveadoctorsaying,"No,Idon'twantyoutodothis,"oryoumayhaveadoctorsaying,"Look,I'lldeferyoutoyournutritionistandyes,that'sfine.AndIjustwannabeinformedonwhatyou'redoing."Andthenifsomeoneiswantingtotaperofftheirmedications,andthisiswherealotofpeoplearewantingtoworkwithmebecausetheyareonSSRI,andtheydowanttotaperit,wewantto...wedon't,youknow,alotofpeoplesay,"Ohmygosh,Iwannagetoffthemeds.I'veheardabouttheseamazingaminoacids."Andtheyjuststarttotaperontheirownortheystopcoldturkey.Sofirstly,youneverwannastopcoldturkeyonanyofthesemedications.Theydoneedtobetaperedreallyslowly.AndwhatIliketodoisbuildupmyclients'levelswiththeaminoacids,withthedietarychanges,withthelifestylechangesbeforetheyevenconsiderofdoingataper.Sogettheglutenoutoftheirdiet,buildupserotoninlevels,buildupGABAlevels,lookatzinclevels,lookatvitaminD,lookatalloftheseotherfactors.Getthemasnutritionallysoundastheycanbe.Andthen,weworkwith...Iworkwiththemandtheirdoctortodoataper.SothatwastheoneprecautionthatIwanted


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tomention.Theotheris,youmentioned,breastfeedingandpregnancy.Noneoftheaminoshavebeenstudiedinpregnancyandbreastfeeding.So,Iwould,youknow...Idon'trecommendanyonetakethemduringpregnancy.Andit'sadifficultadviceformetogivebecauseIknowthattherearesomanyissueswithSSRIsduringpregnancy,butyouknow,becausewedon'thavetheresearch,it'snotsomethingthatIcanrecommend,butjustbecausewedon'tknowwhatthecausescouldbe.Ialwayssaytowomen,ifyouarepronetoanxietyoryou'vehadanxiety,getthatsortedoutbeforeyougetpregnant.Iknow,that'seasiersaidthandone.Alotofwomenfindthemselves,youknow,theyreallywanttogetpregnantortheyarepregnantandthentheyrealizethatthey'vegottheanxiety.Sothat'saverydifficultsituation.Onceyou'vehadthebaby,ifyouarehavingreallybadanxiety,obviouslyyou'vegottotalktoyourdoctorandmakesurethattheyareokaywithittakingtheaminoacidsrightafternursingandthenwaitingsixhoursbeforenursing.Itisonewaytodoit.Andthenmonitoringthebabytomakesurethattheyareokay.Andtherewereactuallytwostudiesthatcameoutrecentlyshowingthatcertainlytryptophanandtyrosine,whichisanotheraminoacidwhichwehaven'treallytalkedabout,itdoesn'tseemtobeanissueinbreastmilk.So,Ithinkit'sstillearlydays.Hopefully,we'regonnaseemoreresearch,butitisaprecaution.Now,someoftheotheraminoshaveotherprecautions.GABAcanbeanissueifyouhavelowbloodpressure.Ihaven'treallyseenittobeanissue,butitisaprecautiontowatchfor.Wehaven'ttalkedabouttyrosineexceptforwhatI'vejustmentioned.Tyrosineisanaminoacidwhichhelpstoraisethecatecholamines,andwhenyou'vegotlowcatecholamines,you'regonnahavelowmotivation.Youmayalsohavedepression.You'regonnahavepoorfocus.Withtyrosine,theprecautionsaremoreserious.Youcannottakethemifyouhavemelanoma,ifyouhavehighbloodpressure,ifyouhaveGravesdisease,andifyouhavemigraines,youwouldn'twanttotaketyrosine.So,Ithinkit'sreallyimportant.Youknow,I'malwayssayingthiswhen...ifyouhearmetalkaboutthisandyou'reexcitedaboutit,educateyourselfbeforeyoujumpintojusttakingtheseaminoacids.Theyaretherapeutic,theyhaveverypowerfuleffects,andmakesurethatyouknowwhatyou'redoingbeforeyoujustjumpinandtakethem.Workwithanutritionistifthat'sthewaythatyouwannadoit.Doaprogramifthat's,youknow,youfindthat'saneasierwaytodoitorreadmybookoryouknow,readmyblog.I'vegottonsofinformationontheblog.Justbewellinformedbeforeyoustartjumpingintousingsomeoftheseaminoacids.Katie:Again,Ithinkthat'sadvicethat'sgoodinalotofareasoflife.Likeyousaid,hopefully,therewillbestudiesonpregnancyandbreastfeeding.Iknowthatthoseareverydifficultareastostudy,buthopefully,we'lleventuallyhavebetteroptionsthanthecurrentones.Butarethereanyfoodsourcesoranythingsomeonecoulddofoundationallytosupportiftheyarealreadypregnantornursingandcan'ttaketheseaminoacidsliketheywouldliketo,arethereotherthingstheycandountilthey'reabletothatwouldhelpsupportthebody'snaturalprocesswiththose?Trudy:Yes.So,absolutely.AndthisiswhatI'mteachingiseatrealfood,andIknowthisis,youknow,somethingthatyouadvocatefor.IloveyourwebsiteandIloveeverythingthatyoublogabout.It'sjustamazingandit's,youknow,gettingridofthetoxinsinyourenvironmentbecauseifyou'vegotexposedto,youknow,fragrances,ifyou'reexposedtoBPA,ifyou'reexposedtoallofthesechemicalsthatcanloweryourserotoninlevels,itcanloweryourzinclevelsandzincisneededasaco-factortomakesomeoftheseaminoacids,someoftheseneurotransmitters.Socertainly,cleaningupyourhomeandgettingridofallthetoxinsinyourenvironment.AndthenIjustmentionedeatingrealwholefood.Ifyou'reeatingqualityanimalproteinandyou'vegotgoodstomachacids,you'regonnabreakdownthatproteinintotheaminoacidswhichthenbecomethebuildingblocksofyourneurotransmitters.Ijustmentionedzinc.Nowzinchasactuallybeenstudiedduringpregnancy,andIwoulddefinitelylookatlowzinclevels,andasIsaid,zincisaco-factortomakeGABA,it'sco-factortomakeserotonin.Andyouknow,allofmyclientsthatI'veworkedwithanxietyhavelowzinclevels.Soit'ssomethingthatIwouldconsiderbeingafactorinanyonewhohasanykindof


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anxiety.Whenyou'vegotlowzinc,you'llhavehighcopperandthatcanmakeyouanxious.Andalotofpostpartumanxiety,notalot,butitisaverycommoncauseofpostpartumanxietyanddepression,isthelowzincandhighcopper.Andonceyoutakezinclevels,thatpushesyourcopperout.So,thoseare,youknow,somefactors.Ifyouhavereallybaddepressionandtheanxietyandcertainlyifyounoticethatyouhavemoreanxietyinthewintertimeandyouhavethewinterblues,lifetherapycouldbegood.Sousingfullspectrumlightwouldbebeneficial.Weknowthatexerciseraisesyourserotoninlevels,sogettingsomeexercisewhenyou'repregnant.GABAisraisedbydoingyogaandTaiChiandmeditation.SoyoucoulduseallofthelifestylefactorstoraiseyourserotoninandyourGABAlevelsinthatway.Katie:That'shelpful.AnotherquestionthatI'vehadmyselfandIknowothersmaybewonderingaswell,it'sgreatthatwiththeseaminoacidsyou'reabletogetsuchanimmediateresult,butwith,forinstance,SSRIsthosearekindofalong-termsentence.Likeonceyoustarttakingthem,you'reprettymuchonthoseifyouwanttokeepgettingtheeffect.Isthesametruewiththeaminoacidsorifnot,howlongdoesapersontypicallyactuallyneedtotakethem?Trudy:It'svaried.Sothetypicalthinkingismaybeamonthto12months,anditcanvarydependingoneachsituation.Letmegiveyouafewexamples.IhadonewomanthatIworkedwith.Shehadthisdepressionanxiety.ShewasonanSSRI.Shehadterrible,terribleeczemaalldownthesideofherfaceandonherarm,andshejustwastotallyaddictedtochocolatechipcookies.Andshehadtriedtogivethemupinthepastandhadn'tbeenabletodoitandwefiguredoutthatitwaslikelyglutenthatwasafactorcausingtheeczema,possiblycontributingtotheanxietyandthedepression.AndwedidatrialofbothGABAandtryptophanandsherespondedtoboth.AndthegreatthingwasthattheGABAandthetryptophanhelpedwiththecravingsthatshehadforthechocolatechipcookies,thegluten.Becauseglutensugarcanbeasaddictingasadrug.So,theaminoacidshelpedhergetoffthecookieswhichallowedhertogetofftheglutenandhereczemastartedtohealwithinaweekortwoofbeingofftheglutenwhichwasamazing.Thewonderfulthingwasshedidn'tneedtheaminoacidslongterm.Shejustneededtheaminoacidstohelpherquittheaddiction.Itgaveherimmediaterelief,soshefeltthishope,shefeltcalmer,shefelthappier.Butonceshegotoffthegluten,thenshewasabletostoptheaminoacidsinafewmonths.Andthen,lateron,sheactuallycutofftheSSRI.Soitwasthe,youknow,weneededtogettotherootcauseandinherinstance,therootcausewasthegluten.So,onceyougetofftheglutenandwegotherhealinghergutalittlebitandshestartedtodobetter.Inthatway,thatshewasabletostoptheaminoacids.Nowthere'ssomepeoplewhostayonthemthreemonths,fourmonths.CertainlywhenIseeawomanwithanykindofhormonalimbalance,ifthere'sPMSgoingon,iftheperimenopausalsymptoms,theaminoacidsstarttobalanceoffthehormonesandusuallywithintwoorthreecycles,we'llstarttoseePMSdiminishandhormonalbalancestartstocomeback.Sointhatsituation,maybethreeorfourmonths.We'vealsogottomakesurethatweareaddressingtherootcause.So,ifsomeonejusttakestheaminoacidsandtheydon'taddressgetting,youknow,eatingrealfood,theydon'taddback,youknow,qualityanimalprotein,they'vealsogotanMTHFRdefectthatthey'renotaddressing,thenthat'sgonnatakelonger.WhenIworkedwithJuliaRoss,wewouldsay,youknow,maybe12months.Sincethen,I'velearnedalotmoreaboutgeneticdefects.WenowknowthatLymedisease,heavymetals,someofthesedeep-seatedissuesthat'stakelongertoaddresscanalsoimpactserotoninandGABAlevels.Lymediseasecanaffectyourzinclevels,andasImentioned,zincisreallyimportanttomaketheseneurotransmitters.So,it'sverydifferent,buttypically,assumingyou'readdressingalltheunderlyingcauses,Iwouldsayuptoayearmaybe.Andthentherearesomepeoplewhoaremorepronetolowserotonin.Sayinthewintertime.Soifyouaremorepronetolowserotonininthewinterthenyoumaydoatop-upthroughthewintermonths.I'veactuallybeenworkingwithagentlemanontaperingoffhisSSRI.Andbeforeheworkedwithme,hewould


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notice,youknow,hetriedtotaperoffhisSSRIsandwashavingareallyhardtime.Oncehestartedworkingwithmeandweworkedonthediet,andweaddedintheaminoacids,thetaperprocesshasbeeneasierforhim.Butwhathe'dnoticedinthepastisthatwintertimehecouldn'tmakeanychangesbecausetheserotonintooksuchabigdipinthewintertimethathecouldn'tchangeanything.Sowhatwedidis,whileweweretapering,andkeepinmindthatthistaperprocesswiththisgentleman,we'vetakenayeartodohistaper.Sothesemedicationtaperscantakealongtimeforsomepeople.SowhatwedidisthefirstsixmonthsthatIworkedwithhim,weaddressedallthedietarychanges,weaddedintheaminoacidsandslowlybutsurelytapered,butthroughthewinterwestoppedthetaper.Hedidn'tdoanytaperingofthemedicationbecauseheknowsthingsgetworseinthewinterform.Soitreallyitdependsoneachindividual.Thatwasalonganswer.Ihopeitansweredyourquestion.Katie:Itdid.AndthethingIlovesomuchaboutyourapproachisthatit'sveryconcreteandveryactionablebecausehavingseenfriendsgothroughsomeofthesestruggles,itfeelslike,tothem,itcanfeellikeit'sallinyourheadorthatjustsomethingiswrongwithyoubecauseyoucan'tjustlikesnapoutofit.Andevenjusttorealizethatthere'saphysicalcauseandthere'ssomethingactuallyconcretegoingonthat'snotanemotionalfaultorsomethingthatyouneedtojustwillpowerthrough,Ithinkthataloneishugelyhelpfultopeopletothinkof.AndyoumentionedgeneticdefectsandMTHFRinpassing,butIwouldlovetogoalittledeeperonthat.HaveyouseenaconnectionormoreofanincidenceofthingslikeanxietyanddepressioninsomeonewhohasanMTHFRdefect?Trudy:Yes,definitely.SotheMTHFRmethylationcirclefeedsintotheBHfullcircle.Ifyouknowthebiochemistry,there's,youknow,themethylationcyclewhereyouneedthemethyl-folateandthenthatfeedsintoanothercyclewhichactuallymakesserotoninandsomeoftheotherneurotransmitters.So,ifyou'vegotadefectthere,you'dthinkofthiscogandyou'vegotthisothercogandit'snotfeedingtherightnutrientsintotheBH4cyclewhichismakingserotoninandotherneurotransmitters,it'sgonnaimpactyouranxietylevelsandyourdepressionlevelsaswell.So,addressingthatisreallyimportant.There'salsotheCOMTgenewhichaffectsyourcatecholamines.Youknow,thereareothergenesthatcanhaveaneffect.ThemostresearchisontheMTHFRgeneobviously.AndtheotherfactoristheMTHFRgeneandifyou'vegotoneofthepolymorphisms,youwillhavelessabilityto...yourdetoxcapabilitiesarelesseffective.AndImentionedearliertheimportanceofgettingalloftheseenvironmentaltoxinsandthetoxinsfromyourhomeoutofyour,youknow,outofyoursystemandoutofyourlife.Andifyou'vegotthisdefect,you'relessabletodetox.Sointhatway,itcancauseanissue.Also,wehaven'ttalkedaboutsocialanxietyverymuchbutthere'sthissocialanxietyconditioncalledpyroluriaandthisisadeficiencyinzincandvitaminB6.Andwhenyouhavethepyroluriaandyou'reunderalotofstress,youdumpzincandB6,andyoursocialanxietygetsworse,butnowI'mseeingaverystrongcorrelationbetweenpeoplewithpyroluriaandtheMTHFRgene.So,youknow,theyallseemtointeract.

AndImentionedearlierhowzincisreallyimportanttomakeGABAandtomakeserotonin,butvitaminB6iscruciallyimportantaswell.SoIwillseethatoncewestarttoaddressthepyroluriawiththezincandthevitaminB6,andtheneveningprimroseoilisalsopartofthatprotocolbecausethathelpszincabsorption.Andoftenwithpeoplewithpyroluria,theyhavelowlevelsofthisparticularomega-6.Andoncewestarttoaddressthat,thathelpswithserotoninproduction,ithelpswithGABAproduction,andImentionedearlierhowtheneurotransmittersaretiedtohormonalimbalanceandPMS.ThepyroluriaprotocolalsohelpswithPMStopsymptoms.Andthenthere'saveryinterestingconnectionwithintroversion.Alotofpeoplesay,"Well,I'manintrovert,Idon'treallylikesocializing,Iliketostayhome,Ilikeone-on-oneinteractions."Andthisisexactly


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whatpyroluriais.It's,youknow,one-on-oneinteractions.Youdon'tlikebigcrowds.AndI'vehadalotofclientsgetonthepyroluriaprotocolandtheysay,"Well,I'mmoreabletosocialize.Idon'tfeelsouncomfortableinsocialsettings.Icanmixwithpeople."SogoingbacktowhatIsaidearlier,wethinksomeofthesearethingsthatwe'rebornwith,thatit'sourpersonality,butoftenwecanfindabiochemicalunderlyingcause.Katie:That'sreallyfascinatingbecausecertainlylikesocialanxietyorbeinganintrovertisnotsomethingsomeonewouldimmediatelyconnectwithanimbalancelikethat.Butthat'sreallyfascinatingthatthereisaphysicalconnection.AndalsoabouttheMTHFR,thatwassomething...IdelvedintothatworldafterfindingoutthatIwasheterozygousforoneofthosemutationsanditmakessensenow.ItactuallymadesenseinhindsightalotwithwhyIalwaysfeltterribleifItookfolicacidandwhyIneededthemethylationforms,butrealizingofcourse,ifitmakessense,ifyouhaveakindofabrokenlinkthereandyourmethylationcycleinyourbodyisnotabletobreakdownthesenutrients,obviouslyit'sgonnaaffectyouphysically,butalsoitwouldmakesensethatitwouldaffectthemindaswellbecausethosearesointertwined.Trudy:Yes.Yes.AndI'mgladyoumentionedthefolicacidbecausewedefinitelydon'twannabetakingfolicacidandthemethylfolateisbeneficial,butIdowannajustmention,inaninterviewthatIdidwithDr.BenLynchononeoftheanxietysummits,andIaskedhimifhecouldtalkonthisspecifictopicbecauseIhadbeenseeingthisasanissuealot.Alotofpeoplewilltesttheirgenesandsay,"I'vebeendiagnosedwithMTHFR."Sofirstly,you'reneverdiagnosedwithMTHFR.Youmayfindoutthatyou'vegotoneofthosedefects.Thatdoesn'tmean,firstly,thatit'scausinganissue.Soyoumayhavethedefectandyoumaybehandlingitwellwiththedietthatyou'reeatingandthefactthatyou'retakingaB-complexandthatyouaretakingagoodmultivitaminandyoumaynothaveanyissues.Therearesomepeoplewhothenhave,youknow,findoutthatthey'vegottheMTHFRdefectbutitisexpressing.Soitiscausingproblems,andthat'sprobablywhatyou'vefoundandthentakingthemethylfolateisbeneficial.Butthenanotherlevelthatweneedtothinkaboutishowmuchdoyouneed?AndI'vehadalotofpeoplecontactmeorcomeandworkwithmeorcommentonmyblogsaying,"I'mworkingwithmydoctor,I'vebeendiagnosedwithMTHFR,andI'vebeentoldtotakeDeplin,forexample,whichisaveryhighdoseofmethylfolate.Andit'softentoomuchforalotofpeople.So,youknow,youmayonlyneed800microgramsofthemethylfolate.Youmaydowellwithathousand,youmaydowellwith2,000or3,000,butjustsayingwell,I'vegotthedefectandnowIneedtotake5,000oreven10,000,youcanactuallybecomemoreanxious,andyoucanstarttofeelagitatedanditcanaffectyoursleep.So,IjustwantedtoputthatouttherebecauseI'vebeenseeingquiteafewquestionsonthattopicrecently.Katie:ThatmakesperfectsenseandIfoundthatoutaswell.Frommypersonalexperience,IknowIdobetterforsurewhenIeatlotsofleafygreenswhichareanaturalsource.Butalso,Idon'tneedverymuch.Ithinkit'saboutthe400microgramsiskindofmyperfectrange,butIdoneedslightlymorewhenI'mpregnantwhichagainalsokindofmakessensewiththehormonethinggoingon.Anotherthingthat...itseemslikeislinkedandIknowyou'vewrittenaboutislowbloodsugar.Andso,sometimesitseemslike,andfromwhatI'vereadinyourwork,peoplemaythinktheyactuallyhaveanxietyandthey'rejustnotmanagingbloodsugarwell.Canyoutalkaboutthatandwhattheothersolutionsmaybethereaswell?Trudy:Yes.Sothisissomethingthatwe,youknow,wewanttolookatallthedifferentpossiblecauses.Andlowbloodsugarcandefinitelymakeyoufeelanxious.AndthebiggestthingthatIwillsayishavebreakfast,obviously.Haveproteinatbreakfast.So,ifyou'renothavinganimalproteinatbreakfastandyou'renoticingthatmid-morningyou'restartingtofeelshaky,youneedsomesugar,youfeellikeyouneedsomefood,well,you'rethekindofpersonalotofmyclientswillsay,"I'mjustawitchifIdon'tgettoeateveryfewhours."


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Thenstartthinkingaboutwhetherlowbloodsugarcancausetheanxiety,itcancauseanxiety,panicattacks,depression,shakiness,thejitteriness,afeelinglikeI'vegottahavesomething,I'vegottogetsomethingand,youknow,ifyou'rethatkindofpersondefinitelyaddinthatproteinatbreakfast.AndI'mnotafanofcoffeeandI'mnotafanofcoffeeinlieuofbreakfastsoalotofmyclientswillbejusthavingcoffeeandnothavingbreakfast.Sothat'sanissue.Ifyoustillwannastayonthecoffee,havebreakfastfirstthen,youknow,we'llhavethecoffeediscussionlater.Andwedoneedtohavethecoffeediscussionasmuchasmyclientsdon'twannahearitbecausecoffeedefinitelyisafactorwhenitcomestoanxietyandtherearesubsetsofpeoplewhoaremorepronetotheeffectsofcaffeine.Socertainlythosepeopleneedtobegettingthecoffeeoutoftheirlivesand,inthemeantime,makesureit'sorganicandnotloadedwithsugar.So,youknow,wecantalkaboutcoffeeinasecond,butgoingbacktothelowbloodsugarsymptoms,thatproteinatbreakfastisreallyimportant,havingproteinateachmealisimportant,butthere'sanaminoacidcalledglutaminewhichiscalmingforalotofpeople.Someofitconvertstogether,butithelpstostabilizeyourbloodsugar.AndusingitinbetweenmealsasasupplementorsomethingthatI'llhavemyclientsdoinitiallywhentheystarttoworkwithme.It'salsoveryhealingforthedigestivesystem.Startstohealtheleakygut.Sowe'regettingthosebenefitsaswell.AndtheotherthingthatIjustwantedtosayaboutlowbloodsugaristhatwe'vealsogottothinkabouttheadrenalsbecauseifyou'vegotadrenaldysfunction,you'vegotlowcortisolorhighcortisol,thatcandefinitelyaffectyourbloodsugarlevel.So,while,youknow,initiallywe'llhavesomeoneaddaneggproteinatbreakfast,we'llgetthemontheglutamine,butthenwe'd,youknow,continuingwiththeworkuptofigureoutwhattheotherrootcausesmaybe.Anditmaybeadrenalissues.Wemayneedtosupporttheadrenals.Youknow,somethingwehaven'ttalkedaboutisadrenalissues.Ifyou'vegothighcortisol,thatcanmakeyouanxiousaswell.Soweareputtingalloftheselittlepuzzlepiecestogethertryingtofigureoutwhattherootcausesare,butinthemeantime,we'reusingGABAandtryptophanandglutamine.There'sanotheraminoacidIuse,DPAwhichisgreatforthecomforteating,therewardeating,that"Ideserveit"kindofcravings.Andthenwetalkedabouttyrosineearlier.Katie:Yeah.SoI'dlovetotalkabouttheadrenalsalittlebitmoreandtheneventhecoffeeconversationalthoughIamdreadingthatpersonally.Idon'thaveanxietybutIwannacovermyearsandsay,"La-la-la."Butlet'strytotalkabouttheadrenalsfirstbecauseIthinkit'sakindofconfusingandcontroversialtopicbecauseforalongtimeitwasignoredandthenalikealotinthenaturalhealthcommunity,therewasaraisingawarenessofthisandthentherewasalsothemedicalpushbackofthisisnotarealthing.Sothere'salotofconfusionwhenitcomestotheadrenals.So,fromwhatyou'reseeingclinically,whatimpactdotheadrenalshaveespeciallyrelatedtothingslikeanxietydepression,butoverallinrelationtohealthaswell.Trudy:Yeah,it'sinterestingthatyousaythat,youknow,the...studiedtheliteraturesynopsisandthearticlesandheard...Khrisatalkaboutsaying,"Wedon'twannacallitadrenalfatigueanymore,wewannacallitHPAdysfunctionoradrenaldysfunction."Soit'sanimbalanceandwecanendupwithlowcortisolifweareoverlystressed,ifwe'reexposedtotoxinsthatcanaffectadrenalsandwecanendupwithverylowcortisol,sortof,flatlineandthenwe'refatiguedandwecan'tgetanythingdone.Itmakesusmorepronetofoodsensitivitiesanddigestiveissues.Wetalkedaboutthelowbloodsugar.Youcanalsoendupwithcortisolthat'stoohigh.Soyougogo-go-go-goandyoujustover,youknow,you'vegotthisadrenalinerushgoingallthetime.Thiscanbealifestylethingthatcancausehighcortisol.Itcanalsobefoodsensitivity.Sowe'vegotthisviciouscyclegoingon.Youcanbeoverlystressedandaffectyouradrenalsanditmakesyourdigestionworsethenyouendupwithfoodsensitivities.Parasitescanactuallycausehighcortisol,cancontributetohighcortisoltoxinsintheenvironment.Sothere'smanyrootcausesastowhyyoumayhavecortisoloradrenalimbalances.But


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addressingthosearereallyimportant.AndIwantedtojusttalkalittlebitabouthighcortisolbecauseifyouhavehighcortisol,youcanfeellikeyou'vehadanadrenalinesurge.Alotofmyclientswillsay,"IjustfeellikeI'vegotthesurgeofadrenalinegoingonallthetime."Andthatcanmakeyouanxious.Sowe'vetalkedaboutlowGABAandlowserotonin.Ifyoudoatrialofthoseaminoacidsandthey'renotworking,maybeit'snotalowserotoninorlowGABAissue.Maybeit'shighcortisol.Soyou'vegottolookat,youknow,Icallthesetheanxietytypes.Whatisthetype,whattypeofanxietydoyouhave?DoyouhavelowGABAanxiety?Doyouhavelearnedserotoninanxiety?Ordoyouhavehighcortisolanxiety?Andthenyouneedtoaddressthat.AndIwantedtojustmentionmyfavoritenutrientforhighcortisol,andit'saproductcalledSeriphosbyInterplexus.Andit'sphosphorylatedserine.Soalotofpeoplewillrecommendphosphatidylserine.Ihavefoundphosphorylatedserinetobethemosteffectiveforreducingthehighcortisolaswellasgettingtotherootcauseofwhyit'shighinthefirstplace.ButIwantedtojustputthisouttherebecauselastyear,thecompany,Interplexus,actuallychangedtheformulationandalotofpeoplewerebuyingit.Thelabelinglookedthesame.Theydidnotchangethelabelandalotofpeoplewereusingitandsuddenlyfindingthatitwasn'tworking.AndabunchofpeoplecontactedmeandIlookedintoitandIreadsomeblogpostsaboutitandIlookedtotryandfindiftherewereabunchofalternativesbecausesuddenlyalotofpeopleseemtohavechronichighcortisolthattheymanagewithanutrientblockers,andyouknow,ofcourse,we'vegottogettotherootcauseofwhyit'shigh.Andforsomereason,youknow,IthinkitmaybethatsomeofthesepeopleareonBenzodiazepines,they'reonothermedications,theymayhavesomeotherunderlyingissuesthatarecausingthischronichighcortisol.Butlongstoryshort,theproductwaschanged,peopleweren'tgettingresults,theytriedsomeofthealternativestheyweren'tworking.Duetoalotofconsumercomplaints,thecompanybroughtbacktheoriginalformulaandnowI'mwaitingtogetfeedbackfrompeople.It'sbeenaboutthreemonthsnow,andIhaven'theardanycomplaintsthatit'snotworking.SoIthinkit'sworking.Buttherewas,youknow,you'vegottoreallylookatthe...ifyou'vegotafavoriteproductthatyou'reusingandsuddenlyitstopsworking,don'tforgettolookatwhetherthey'vemaybechangedtheformulaandhaven'ttoldanyone.Katie:That'sagoodtipandsomething,probablyalotofuswouldnotthinktodo.AndIknowthathappensmoreoftenthanpeoplewouldthink.It'skindofshockingactually.Butlet'shavethecoffeeconversation.Iknowthatobviouslythereareconcernsrelatedtocaffeineandotherthings,butyouhaveaninterestingtakeoncaffeineandcoffee.So,whyareyouanti-coffee?Trudy:So,foranumberofreasons.Firstlybecauseofthefactthatifit'scausingyouanxietyandit'scausingyouinsomnia,whykeeptakingsomethingthat's,youknow,causingaproblem.Andweself-medicate.Youknow.Justlikeweself-medicatewithsugarandwhileweself-medicatewithcookiesorwhateveritis.Weusecoffeeasadrug.Itisadrug.Itmakesusfeelgood.So,Ialwayssay,well,whydoyouneedit?Areyouneedingitbecauseyou'renotgettingenoughsleep?Areyouneedingitbecauseyoudohaveadrenalissues?Areyouneedingitbecauseyouhavelowiron?Oneofmyclientswasdrinkingsixcupsorninecupsofcoffeeadaybecauseshehadverylowironandonceweaddressedthat,shedidn'tfeellikesheneededit.Doyouhavelowcatecholamine?Thesearetheneurotransmittersthatmakeyoufeelmotivatedandhavefocusandfeelhappy.So,addressingtherootcause,firstlyyouknow,whydoyoufeellikeyouneedit.That'swhatwedefinitelywannabedoing.Becausewe'remaskingsomethingbyusingthestraw,coffee,tomakeusfeelgood,togiveusthisfocus,togiveusasthisenergy,butthentheunderlyingissuesis,isitcontributingtotheanxiety,theinsomnia.Weknowitaffectshormonelevels,weknowit'sdehydrating.WejusttalkedaboutlowbloodsugarwhenIinterviewedDr.EllenChristensenononeoftheanxietysummits.Shesharedthatcaffeineextraslacksodainthebodyandintermsofaffectingourbloodsugarlevel.So,wearecausingalloftheseissuesthatwe'retryingtoaddress.Thenwe'vegotthepesticidescoffee.It'sreallyreallyhighlysprayedwithpesticides.


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Sothat'ssomethingthatwewannathinkaboutaswell.SothosearesomeofthereasonswhyIwouldsay,youknow,thinkaboutcoffee.AndIheardyou're,youknow,youdidn'treallywanttotalkaboutitandit'snotunusual.It'sthethingthatmostofmyclientswillholdontothelongest.They'llsay,"Yes,I'llgetoffthesugar.Yes,I'llgetoffthegluten.I'llmakethesedietarychanges,I'lltakethesesupplements,I'lldotheaminoacids,butpleasedon'ttakemycoffeeaway."Soit'snotuncommonforpeopletoreallywannaholdontoit.Andalotofmyclientswillsay,"It'smyonevicethatI'vegotleft.It'smyritual.Igetupinthemorning,it'squiet,I'vegotthesmellofcoffeebrewing.Ireally,reallyloveit."Andthere'sotherwaysthatwecangetthatritual.Youknow,youcoulddothisCochinowhichisawonderfulcoffeesubstitute.Carobiswonderful,mixedwithsomewaterandcoconutoilorcoconutmilk.There'sherbalteas,rooibostea.I'm,youknow,SouthAfricanandrooibosteaisactuallybeenshowntohelpwithmodulatingcortisollevels.Soyou'regettingalltheantioxidantbenefitsfromrooibosteasimilartowhatyouwouldgetfromgreentea.Andyou'realsogettingsomesupportforyouradrenals,ithelpswithbloodsugarbalancingaswell.Sothere'smanyotheroptionsoutthere.Katie:Thisistrueandalotofthemarereally,reallygood.IwannamakesureIrespectyourtime,butbeforeweendIwannamakesurepeoplecanfindyouespeciallyif,forinstance,someoneishearingthesymptomsandhearingyourstoryandit'sresonatingwiththemandIcertainlydon'twanna,ifsomeone'sstrugglingwithanxiety,givethemanymoreanxietybeingoverwhelmedwithwhattodo.So,wherewouldyourecommendthatsomeonestartsandhowcantheyfindyouandfindtheresourcesonhowtodothat?Trudy:So,there'smanywaystodoit.Mywebsiteiseverywomanover29.comandI'vegotablog.AndIsentoutanewsletterandI'vegotaveryengagedcommunitywhoaskmegreatquestionsontheblogandIanswerallthequestionsontheblog.So,you'resomeonewho,youknow,wantstoreadblogarticlesandgetyour,youknow,getreadingandseeifthisiswhatresonateswithyou.That'sonewaytoconnectwithme.I'vegotmybooks"TheAntianxietyFoodSolution".Iwroteit,soyoucanpickitupandyoucanrunwithit.Andalotofpeoplejustdothatontheirownandgetgreatresultsstartingoffwiththefoodandthentheaminoacidsafterward.Alotofpeoplewillmakethefoodchangesandfeelliketheyneedalittlebitofsupportwithusingtheaminoacidsandcertainly,ifyouarethe...arethelowserotonintypeandyoufeelfearful,alotofpeoplewithlowserotoninarefearfultoactuallytrytheaminoacidsontheirown.Andifthat'sthecase,gettingsupport,youknow,workingwithmeoneonone.I'veactuallygotawaitinglistatthemomentthatI'mabouttoexpandwithmorepeopleonmyteam.SoI'mhopingtobeabletohelpmorepeopleone-on-one.ButI'vealsogotahomestudyprogram,agroupprogramwhereIwalkyouthroughhowtodoitifyoufeellikeyouneedthatsupportwith,youknow,gettingsomeonewalkingyouthroughitorallysoyoucanlistentosomeonetellingyouwhattodo.It'stheAmazingAminosForAnxietyprogram.AndthenI'vegottheanxietysummitwhereIhaveinterviewedvariousdifferentexpertsondifferenttopics.Allwe'vetalkedaboutreallytodayisfood,coffee,theneurotransmitters,butlymediseasecanbeaffected,moldcanbeaffected.Wehaven'teventalkedabouttheBenzodiazepineswhicharecommonlyprescribedforanxiety.AndI'vegotsomegreatinterviewswithvariousdifferentpeopleonBenzodiazepinesandMTHFRandyounameit.So,dependingonwhereyouareinyourjourney,youknow,maybeyou'vemadethedietarychanges,you'vetriedsomeoftheaminoasyou'regettingsomereliefbutyouarelookingfordeeperrootcausesthenmaybetheAnxietySummitisforyou.Andthat'sattheanxietysummit.com.Katie:Wonderfulandofcourse,I'llhavelinkstothoseintheshownotessothatpeoplecanfindyou.AndIhaveafewofyourpoststhatI'mgoingtolinktoitaswellthatrelatetowhatwe'vetalkedabout.ButTrudy,thankyousomuchfortheworkthatyou'redoingandforsharingyourstoryandyourresearchwithus,andI


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hopethatanyonewhohearsthemselvesinyourstory,we'llbeabletofindyouandfindanswersontheirown.Trudy:Well,thankyou.Thankssomuchforhavingme,Katieandthanksforallthegreatworkthatyoudoandsharingwonderfulresources.Ithinkyoudoareallygreatjob.Katie:Thankyousomuch.AndthankstoallofyouforlisteningandI'llseeyounexttimeontheHealthyMomsPodcast.

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