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The LSE caves in to terror

First the Netherlands prosecutes Geert

Wilders for speaking against Islamic terror;

now the London School of Economics has

caved in to the threat of Islamist violence.

Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for

Social Cohesion, has been banned from

chairing a debate on Islam at the LondonSchool of Economics today between Dr Alan

Sked, a senior lecturer in international

history, and Hamza Andreas Tzortzis, a

Muslim writer and lecturer, because the LSE fears his views will provoke

violence. Those views are outspoken opposition to the Islamisation of the west

and staunch support for Israel. The LSE, where some Jewish students report a

poisonous and frightening atmosphere at present, has just seen a week-long

anti-Israel protest over Gaza. The Evening Standard reports:

The LSE asked Mr Murray not to attend in the interest of public

safety as his presence could provoke further unrest. A spokesman

added: He has spoken at LSE in the past and will be welcome to

do so again in the future.

Another victory for the forces of darkness, thanks to the pusillanimity of the LSE

which, finding itself on the battlefield of the war to defend civilisation, has run upthe white flag.

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ray douglasJanuary 23rd, 2009 1:35pm

i remember Douglas Alexander once as a panel

member on BBC Question time. He was

absolutely brilliant in exposing the terrorist

Islamic agenda ! I am not surprised though. that

the L.S.E has banned him. There is a weird form

of denial and appeasement going on in our

academic and media circles. I watched channel

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four news last night. Peter snow could not stand

that he was losing the argument to the Israeli

government spokes man Mark Regev, that he

cut him off and closed the conversation !Channel

four news does not even try to hide its liberal-left

agenda on Israel and America.

Anna KelatskyaJanuary 23rd, 2009 1:37pm

LSE, London School of Economics, some weird

students who is extremely brain washed are

attending there, oh boy I will be careful that

place, I wonder if a school like LSE is like this

how the other ones will be?

stanley JerusalemJanuary 23rd, 2009 1:43pm

They were chicken in the 60's on rag days too.

Even Mick Jagger bailed.


Oh Gawd! Lese majeste.

SIR Mick Jagger.

GruntsonJanuary 23rd, 2009 1:58pm

Pathetic. More dhimmitude.

The adminstrators should have the word

'dhimmitude' tattoed on their foreheads.


Gruntson - They would were there sufficient

room 'tween eyebrows and hairline......

[Knuckle scraping]

phil

January 23rd, 2009 2:09pm

Could they not have excluded

troublemakers ?,or are we accepting the way of

the brownshirts from hitlers time .The LSEshould be ashamed of themselves if this is the

way they teach young people to disagree .

Vision AforethoughtJanuary 23rd, 2009 2:19pm

OK, let's look on the bright side: Britain is cold,

wet, windy, generally depressing (except on a

sunny August afternoon and new year's eve at

about 11:59PM) The country whilst pretty in

places is losing all that makes living here

worthwhile: Pubs, privacy and pragmatism.

So, let 'them' have it! And let those of us who

wish to enjoy life and not take things too

seriously - while working for an honest income,

depart to sunnier more friendly climes.

Where, we can leave to the imagination.

Original TonyJanuary 23rd, 2009 3:07pm

I have e-mailed my disgust to the LSE today

and may I encourage all of us who contribute to

this blog to go further than chatting about our

disgust and actually DOING something, even if it

is a simple protest e-mail.

The academic lefters need to know there is a

mounting opposition out there, so come on, do

your bit!

PennyJanuary 23rd, 2009 3:08pm

Excellent point, Phil.

Even at contentious public meetings in Town

halls around the country, there are those who

violently disagree with the matter underdiscussion (I'm speaking of local issues rather

than Israel/Gaza). Police are occasionally

drafted in and remain quietly in the background -

just in case.

If troublemakers cannot be excluded at the entry

point, they can be removed if and when they

become disruptive.

I am hugely surprised that an institution such as

the LSE would behave in this way.....unless, of

course, the 'Risk Assessment' chapter of the

'Health and Safety' guidelines are the barrier.

Even advertisement banners strung across theroad, telling of a local event are now deemed

dangerous in case they fall on someone's head.

The fact that they never have fallen before isn't

the point - according to Risk

Assessment/Health & Safety.

pm317January 23rd, 2009 3:17pm

wow, I did not know things were this bad in

Europe, especially UK and the Netherlands (but

I am being educated since I started visiting this

blog). If you succumb to radical Islamists' threat

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GilJanuary 23rd, 2009 7:40pm

This is an absolute disgrace. I am a

postgraduate of the University of London and I

ashamed, not only of my old University but of

this country. Douglas Murray only poses a

threat to those who have their evil agenda,

allowing radical Islam to call the shots in this

country. I despise the LSE for this.

martinJanuary 23rd, 2009 8:06pm

this story is just not true, murray himself offered

to withdraw from chairing the event when he was

told about the atmosphere on the lse campus

following the occupation of a room by some

students protesting about the situation in gaza

for a week, which has strained relations between

israeli and muslim students. murray was never

told he had to stand down.

murray has spoken at lse twice in the past 6

months, so to say he is banned is just madness

and not true.

when lse became aware today that murray was

saying he did not want to stand down as chair

the academic organiser tried to contact him, but

funnily enough he was unavailable all afternoon

(despite telling some friends in the right wing

press he was still free). murray responded late

in the day saying he needed more notice, which

was a handy way to get out of it, having got the

publicity he wanted!

seems to me he used this situation to get some

publicity, and he has certainly been successful.

also amazing to me how people in the press

dont check the facts before publishing stories!

MJEJanuary 23rd, 2009 8:32pm

Similar things are happening where I study,

Warwick University. There is a sit-in in one of

the lecture theatres and they refuse to leave

unless their 'demands' are met. These are:

1. Warwick University should suspend all

relations with companies which supply the

Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This includes BAE

Systems, MBDA, QinetiQ and Rolls Royce.

2. That the University donate old computerequipment and textbooks to universities in

Palestine, specifically those that were partially

destroyed in Gaza during the current Israeli

military operation.

3.That the University fund and provide logistical

support for a series of talks on the Israeli-

Palestinian conflict.

(See

http://warwicksolidaritysitin.wordpress.com/about/

also)

It is also happening in SOAS, Exeter,

Birmingham, Sussex, Leeds, Oxford, Essex andKings, there is a Facebook group uniting all of

them together:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?

gid=45620747685

Annoyingly, the room they are currently

occupying is where I have my history lectures.

I'd quite like it back.

Michael AlldisJanuary 23rd, 2009 8:40pm

Come to UCL instead!!!

Sergei ZubatovJanuary 23rd, 2009 8:45pm

MJE, this is real threat, I hope you get your

room back

An AmericanJanuary 23rd, 2009 9:54pm

pm137

Come on.. Universities in the US are just as

liberal and out of control.

Conservative speakers are no longer invited to

give their viewpoints. Instead, they invite people

like Iran's head henchman to speak.


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Conservatives or anyone from the right politically

can't give their side without being shouted down,

pies thrown, students taking over the

stage...college presidents just stand by and let

all these liberal commie brats terrorize and shut

up the opposition.

The US is just a few years behind the UK.

Liberal socialism is destroying Britain and it will

eventually destroy us unless the American

public wakes up and acts to stop it.

hadrianJanuary 23rd, 2009 9:58pm

Isn't LSE a known purulent leftist cesspool

anyway? So hardly surprising its take on

'freedom of speech' is that it exists only forsome. Bet if they were hosting something

intensely offensive to Jews or Christians they

wouldn't bat an eyelid about it and assume the

moral high ground for doing so! Such

pusillanimity on the part of a supposedly even-

handed secular institution of learning how far we

are down the road to dhimmitude indeed. Truly

disgusting.

Winnie McCrannJanuary 23rd, 2009 10:05pm

Isn't the LSE a child of the Fabian Society?

martinJanuary 23rd, 2009 10:21pm

Ms Philips actually highlights in her comments

the reason that LSE was surely right to have

concerns over Douglas Murray chairing theevent. She says that his views are "outspoken

opposition to the Islamisation of the west and

staunch support for Israel". This would suggest

he would not be a suitable person to chair an

event on the subject of Islam or Liberalism:

Which is the Way Forward? when generally the

chair of an event should be someone who is

seen as neutral and not strongly favouring one

side of the debate.

It is also perhaps a bit of a dramtisation on the

part of Ms Philips to say that Mr Murray not

chairing an event is in anyway a victory to the

"forces of darkness".

Alex SingletonJanuary 23rd, 2009 11:08pm

Martin's statement is not correct. I have theemail sent to Douglas Murray from the LSE that

says: "I have been asked by the Pro-Director,

Prof. Janet Hartley, to request that you stand

down as chairman of the debate on Friday

evening. Part of the School has been occupied

by student protesters on account of events in

Gaza and there is official concern that on this

account your presence might provoke further

unrest."

I had difficulty getting through to Douglas Murray

on the telephone post-5:30pm, but I experienced

no difficulty getting straight through to him

during office hours.

I was phoned at about 5:30pm by the LSE press

office to say that they were willing to reinvite

him, and this was followed up at 5:35pm with an

emailed statement to that effect. I am amazed

that they left it so late.

hadrianJanuary 24th, 2009 12:29am

Martin- no one is 'neutral' when push comes to

shove; if every debate were to be pulled because

a chairman could not be seen to be 'neutral'

enough there'd be precious few debates at all.

Great excuse, though!

Adam B.January 24th, 2009 12:52am

Carl, Jews have been beaten up in the street,

not that you would care. Jews are feeling

increasingly uncomfortable in an openly hostile

environment. By the way, still thinking about

whether you would condemn the Hamas charter,

which call for the extermination of all the Jews?

Last I looked, you were refusing to condemn it.

Is it hard for you to get your head around? Poor

dear.

PennyJanuary 24th, 2009 12:52am

Thanks for your posts, Alex!

I believe I read that the Oxford University's 'sit-in'

involved about 90 students who were offering up


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a watered-down-from-the-original set of

demands. At least the other 21,910 students at

Oxford had the sense to be more annoyed about

the potenial disruption to their studies!


I went to a London College, part of the University

of London. Whilst there, the Jewish Society

routinely had its noticeboard trashed and

daubed in hate graffiti, including Holocaust

denial, propaganda videos against Israel were

shown in the JCR, Hizb ut Tahrir campaigned

with their hatred at the College gates. Then a

couple years later, an alumnus of my College

and his colleague walked into a bar on the Tel

Aviv beachfront and murdered three people with

a suicide belt, and injured dozens. This is really

happening, and the appeasement of the LSE

isn't new, it is part of a reality that has been

going on for years. Of course, when the next

terror outrage explodes on the streets of

London, the media will wring its hands and say,

how did this happen? It's happening because

young Islamic radicals are being fed a diet of

hatred and the authorities and those in positions

of influence, like the LSE, are too gutless to

confront it.

Martin GarthwaiteJanuary 24th, 2009 1:07am

So there are not many graduates of the LSE

here? Well I am and I tell you one thing the LSE

does not teach, and that is how to think, oh you

thought the LSE is a technical college, OK.

If I have one complaint about the LSE it is that

it's not true to it's founding principles, until

recently most undergrads wanted to be

merchant wankers, leftist, yeah right!!

John MontgomeryJanuary 24th, 2009 1:57am

Our Unversities and those in the USA have

become a joke. INstead of reason and objectivity

- surely the basis of scholarship - we have bias

and ideology. It has gotten to the stage where I

no longer believe anything an 'academic' says.

This is very sad, but is a consequence of post-

modernism and the leftards seizing control of

higher education.

The next time we have a Conservative

government, they really must take the CultureWars seriously, especailly in the media,

academe, the judiciary and our cultural

institutions and popular culture. Otherwise the

left will be back again and worse than ever.

Stuart RoseJanuary 24th, 2009 2:17am

Is the LSE incapable of requesting or procuring

some extra security for the event?

One would have hoped that the faculty(I guess

I'm in fantasy land here) would have urged the

school not to alter its lineup, not to compromise

its commitment to free speech and open debate.

JSJanuary 24th, 2009 7:30am

I can virtually see another India-Pakistan

situation developing in EU.. an absolute repeat

of history..because in 1947 Hindu liberals

downright squashed the conservatives regardingpolicies of Muslim appeasement, we Indians of

today are reaping a bitter bitter harvest of Jehad

and communal riots in our own land. Today

Hindus of India have become a totally besieged

and oppressed majority akin to where the EU is

heading to..Today Indian politics is virtually

hijacked and held to ransom by Jehadi-

sympathizers and apologists and Hindus have

absolutely no voice in their own land....History is

indeed repeating itself in EU..what a tragic

irony!!

FelicitasJanuary 24th, 2009 9:29am

Remember one of their alumni at the LSE is that

Pakistani Jihadist who murdered the poor

innocent Journalist who was working for the Wall

Street Journal, Daniel Pearl, please read prayersfor him that he rests on peace let's honour,

and let us say: Amen

CarlJanuary 24th, 2009 9:31am

AdamB - stop trying to make out that a wave of

anti-Semitism is engulfing the UK. There is

nothing of the sort, despite your hysterical

bleating. Justly deserved criticism is just that.

Crying anti-Semitism is merely an attempt to


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close the discussion down.

Anwar k TaalJanuary 24th, 2009 10:33am

Extremism is just like a disease, wich is going

to spread out, if you don't fight with it and you

are too soft, like the western Europeans are

doing, things will only get worst but not better,

and at the end they will regret

philJanuary 24th, 2009 11:12am

martin "" murray himself offered to withdraw from

chairing the event when he was told about the

atmosphere on the lse campus""

LSE SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THAT HE DID

NOT WITHDRAW,RATHER THAN

ENCOURAGING THESE EXTREMISTS THAT

VIOLENCE WINS -IS THAT NOW WHAT OURUNIVERSITIES ARE TEACHING YOUNG

PEOPLE?

Ian MillerJanuary 24th, 2009 11:17am

"Douglas Murray ... has been banned from

chairing a debate"

So? Murray is not by any stretch of the

imagination neutral on the subject. It would have

been entirely inappropriate to have him in the

chair, where he would either be unable to

contribute properly (if he maintained his

impartiality) or would have destroyed the

debate's credibility if he did not, or both if he

maintained his impartiality but was accused of

not doing so. This is just plain bad for the quality

of the debate.

Accordingly his being removed from the chair

seems entirely reasonable and sensible.

Clearly it is difficult in such a contentious issue

to find a truly neutral chairman. However that is

no excuse for giving the role to someone with

such a clear compaigning role on the subject.

Murray was just about the worst possible

choice. (Okay, George Galloway would have

been worse.)

The real question that needs asking is why he

was invited to chair it in the first place.


Martin Garthwaite- They have certainly not

taught you how to be a merchant,but the second

part you have passed with honours .fancy

attaching your name to a claim like that !says a

lot for your college .

philJanuary 24th, 2009 12:06pm

Carl you should answer Adam B,s oft asked

question before you pontificate on anti -semitism

-do you condemn the hamas charter-will we ever

hear from you .until we do you will find it very

hard to gain any respect here .


Ian Miller-you make some valid points ,but he

was invited and was stopped through the threat

of violence -perhaps the debate should have

been cancelled altogether .The point here is the

threat of violence prevailed to the eternal shameof LSE

Oliwagino Alefaua

YihiriJanuary 24th, 2009 12:17pm

Stinky College, I am glad I did not go there

CarlJanuary 24th, 2009 2:19pm

phil, why on earth would you think that I would

be interested in respect from the extremists that

post here?

John ThomasJanuary 24th, 2009 3:29pm

JS, I'm sure you're right about Jihadism in India -

no doubt it's the ill-treatment they receive, from

Islamists, that makes the Hindhus take it out on

the Christians, perhaps that's why they murder

so many.

TiberiusJanuary 24th, 2009 4:33pm

Ian Miller: should you find yourself sitting in a

tube train with an Islamist suicide bomber next

to you, I'd guess even you might struggle to be

neutral on the subject.

Adam B.January 24th, 2009 5:13pm

Carl, (who refuses to condemn the hamas

charter which calls for the extermination of every

Jew) - this full title shall be your name from now

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similar to those which Mr Murray would put

forward, so the allegation there was some threat

to free speech is totally false. Its also worth

noting that Mr Murray has spoken at LSE twice

in the past 6 months, including at an event

hosted by the Israeli Society that I attended

where I very much agreed with much of what he

said.

I also spoke to people after the event and heard

that as far the School authories were aware Mr

Murray had offered to stand down as chair of the

event. When they became aware yesterday

morning via the papers that he was not happy

with standing down the organiser tried to contact

Mr Murray in the afternoon and make it clear hecould chair the event. I understand that Murray

appeared to make himself unavailable all

afternoon to approaches from LSE till shortly

before the event when he said he did not have

time.

The whole affair seems to have been a bit

messy, but from what I was told and have seen

it seems LSE was acting with the best of

intentions, rather than trying to crack down to

free speech or cave into pressure from Islamic

fanatics. A lot of the speakers who come to LSE

are left wing, and pro palestinian, but there have

been a good number in recent months who take

a very pro Israeli stance and who may described

as neo cons such as Rick Santorum, USAttorney General Michael Mukasey, Homeland

Secretary Chertoff and John Bolton to name a

handful. I think this clearly demonstrates the

claims made on this blog that in some way LSE

does not try to uphold the principle of free

speech are clearly false.

hadrianJanuary 24th, 2009 11:05pm

Carl, then let me as another 'extremist' ask you

simply: do you share the Hamas charter's

agenda that every Jew be exterminated? Simple

enough. I have many Jewish friends, mostly

secular, some Reform, some converted to

Christianity. You owe these individuals, none of

whom is an Israeli nor a zionist an answer, if not

us 'extremists'.

Dave MJanuary 24th, 2009 11:22pm

"You cannot accept that many, many people are

disgusted by Israel's recent atrocities."

The Israelis have a solid argument to counter

this. They know too well how many

Chechnyans, how many Iraqis and how many

Afghans have been killed in wars that haven't

directly concerned Israel. For example, I know

when the Russians went into Chechnya they

eventually declared any male Chechnyan over

18 years old a terrorist - period. Grozniy was

flattened. In Iraq thousands have died. In

Afghanistan many innocents have been killed

(usually by mistake). Then I hear Russia and

China have discussed the use of the use of

vacuum bombs against Muslim separatists ifthey cause instability either in China or Russia's

spheres of influence. Therefore, who is in a

position to lecture Israel? Put it another way:

How would India react if Pakistan fired 1000

rockets into its borders? I dare say the whole

thing would spiral towards nuclear war. All Israel

has done is its level best to stop fanatics

carrying out suicide bombings and rocket

attacks into its borders. Palestinian civilians

were warned by the IDF to flee the fighting but

perhaps many were not allowed to leave by

Hamas. Isn't it time there was some genuine

criticism and analysis of how Hamas has been

exploiting these people as human shields?


CarlJanuary 24th, 2009 2:19pm thats the first truthful

thing I have seen you post ,but do not worry -

you have none


Carl, here's a question for you then (as you

seem rendered speechless by my previous post

and have nothing to say about the pressures

Jewish students face) - do you condemn the

Hamas charter, which calls for the extermination


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of every Jew? By the way, I don't condone

brutality against civilians, but fully support

Israel's self defensive measures against a

genocidal terrorist group, which has embedded

itself amongst, and manipulates for its own evil

ends, civilians. Pity you can't see that. Pity you

also are blind to the rampant anti-semitism

which is increasingly creeping into the

mainstream of British life. You see Carl, I

answer your "points", but you refuse to answer

mine. it's called debate, not slogan shouting.


By the way Carl, any comment about the lies of

1,300 dead in Gaza - according to Corriere della

Sera, a Palestinian doctor has said there are

empty hospital beds available and that the figure

was between 500-600, overwhelmingly men who

were involved in combat. Is he lying?


Patrick, the report in the Evening Stnadard

states that Murray's invitation was withdrawn

because of the fear of "unrest", not because of

his suitability as chair. Is the Standard simply

wrong about this?

JerryJanuary 25th, 2009 5:42am

How absolutely quaint! To American ears a

debate on "Islam vs Liberalism - which is the

best way forward", makes no sense. It is like

asking whether Fascism or Communism is the

best way forward. Of course, it is the way of

humans to have to answer the same questions

multiple times over successive generationsbefore the answers really take hold. What

century did you say we were in?


AdamB- I see that you attempt to draw comfort

from a claim that the IDF did not slaughter as

many Palestinians as had been estimated. A

rather perverse stand in most civilised people's

view. Can we therefore say that it is OK that

Hamas launches a lot of rockets as they are not

at all effective?

PatrickJanuary 25th, 2009 5:44pm

Adam, from what I understand Mr Murray had

told the organiser who I think was Alan Sked

that he was willing to withdraw from chairing

when told about the issues on campus, and

expressed no problems with this. It seems theSchool only heard he had a problem when

reports appeared in the press. To be it would a

more mature approach of Mr Murray to make

clear his unhappiness to LSE, rather than try to

generate publicity for himself.

I was told there were concerns that should there

be any issues or problems at the debate then

Murray would not be suitable to be an effective

chairperson, as he would not be seen as in any

way as neutral on the topic being discussed,

and his chairmanship could inflame any

potential situation.

To me it seems Murray was a stupid choice as

the chair as I said before. I presume the choiceof him was down to Alan Sked.

When some students complained about Murray

speaking at LSE last year, the School defended

his right to speak on campus, and ensured his

talk went ahead.

Ian MillerJanuary 25th, 2009 7:02pm

Tiberius wrote "Ian Miller: should you find

yourself sitting in a tube train with an Islamist

suicide bomber next to you, I'd guess even you

might struggle to be neutral on the subject."

I don't actually see that this has to do with the

point under discussion. Nevertheless finding

myself the subject of a terrorist attack would notcause me to lose my neutrality on any subject

upon which I try to be neutral.

I am a pacifist and as such opposed to all use of

violence, and that obviously includes suicide

bombers, so to that extent I never have been

neutral.

In my view, it is a cardinal mistake to allow

violence or threats of violence to change your


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@Leslie - was the IDF soldier who gunned down

two children in front of their father going out of

his way to protect non combatants? You cannotdefend the indefensible, no matter how hard you

try. Like it or not, and you clearly don't, Israel

will have to treat with Hamas. The Neo Cons are

finished.


Leslie you wrote --"carl wrote" --.well he writes a

lot and most of it utter nonsense and the more

we respond to him the more he will do it , The

truth seems unimportant to him so long as he

can say something vile about Israelis,so in spite

of me now following Adam B,s good advice to

always respond to lies ,I think in this case we

totally waste our time as I do not think he is

believed anyway. He continues to ignore

Adam,s legitimate question so I think we should

now ignore him .as it has proved a pointlessexercise to engage with him .We cannot and

should not attempt to stop him writing ,but we

are under no compulsion to answer him either .

Leslie(the original)January 26th, 2009 1:06pm

For a minute, I thought I must have posted that

message in my sleep(6:21am)

Sounds like me,but I wouldn't engage with

Carl,Phil.

Other than that,I agree with "Leslie"


well both Leslies the late riser and the early

bird :)


ES sometimes one reacts with emotion too

quickly ,so I would be interested to know whathappened at the debate ,do you know?-I did

write to them asking why they conceded to

scare tactics, but did not receive a response. If I

had no respect for that institution I would not

have bothered ,that was what upset me the

most .

Leslie(the original)January 26th, 2009 5:11pm

I'm on E.Standard time Phil :)

I hope you all signed the petition for Geert

Wilders

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?

wilders&1


Phil ,I don,t mind if you don,t want to

respond .Feel free


Carl, yet another groundless allegation from you.

And your source is?

Do you condemn the Nazi Hamas charter Carl?


phil you're right of course, Carl is an

indoctrinated fanatic who never engages with

anything one writes, but spews pre-

manufactured slogans he's picked up from other

haters. I just enjoy taunting him to be honest!

JS

January 27th, 2009 5:40am

John THomas:

What happened to some Christians in India atthe hands of some ignorant elements is highly

condemnable and regrettable. The Christian

community in India is a patriotic community and

they unlike the Jehadis do not put their religion

above national interests. The biggest threat to

India today is from Jehadis (Ps see that I make

a distinction between Jehadis and Muslims)

both external and home-grown. And just like the

EU, they pose a serious threat of annihilating

the native Hindu culture.


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AdamB - her you are, just for you, one of many

links about the murder of these children by the

IDF:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0126/1232474680664.html

Do you condemn this murder and IDF brutality?


Adam B so did I but I can,t be bothered with him

any more ,he is just a waste of space .

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