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00:00:30 MeetLennyIzzo00:02:40 PeterFraser’sresearchonemotionaloscillations00:06:30 Whychemicalscan’thealemotionaldistortions00:07:00 Historicalcontextofemotionaloscillations00:09:30 Explainingthearchetypesandthehero’sjourney00:10:45 Reachinghigheroptimalperformanceasahumanbeing00:11:50 Seeingsomeone’sstorythroughtheirbody-fieldwithNESHealth00:14:30 Lenny’sbiggestcrisesthatledtotransformation00:18:30 CarolineMyssandthefoursurvivalarchetypes00:20:30 Beingpassionateaboutone’sowntruth00:21:30Doeseveryonehavealifepurpose?00:25:50 Thehero’sjourneybrokendownintothreestages00:33:00 Akingineveryman,aqueenineverywoman00:41:30 Today’sconventionalhealthcaresystemrelatedtoarchetypes00:51:00 UsingNESHealthtoawakentheHumanBody-Field01:01:00 SupporttheInstituteofBioenergetics

HarryMassey: WelcometotheSuperchargedPodcast,wherewehelpyoutoenhanceyourenergy,

health,andpurpose.

WendyMyers: Bioenergeticsistrulythefutureofmedicine.

Harry: Imaginehavingabodychargedwithenergyandamindquickaslightning.Isthatasuperhero?No,that'syou,supercharged.We'llbetalkingtoexpertswhohavestudiedthephysicsoflifesothatyoucanhaveenergyforlife.

Harry: Hey,Lenny,howareyoudoing?

LennyIzzo:

Harry:

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Good,Harry.Goodtohavethistimewithyoujusttoseewherewe'llgo

Yeah,yeah.Justforthelisteners,DoctorLennyisaveryrenownedchiropractor,butmoreimportantly,he'sanabsoluteexpertonbasicallyarchetypes,psychology,CarlJung.Iwouldn'tevenknowwheretostart.Maybeyoucoulddescribeyourselfabitbetter,Lenny.

Lenny:

I'mnotsureifI'manexpert,there'ssomuchuniversalknowledgeoutthere.ButIamreallypassionate,havebeenpassionateaboutunderstandingthearchetypesof,astheyrelatetoconsciousness.Everythingisarchetypical.Everythingisthematrix,andinthematrixthere'sadesign,andinthedesignisstructure,andthehumanpsychehasthatasmuchastherestofcreationdoes.SowhatIbegantorealizealongthewayinmyownprofessionaljourneywasthatveryfewwereactuallyoutliningorarticulatinganydesign


tothehumanpsyche.AndIthinkthat'soneoftheissuestoday.We'rejustbreakingthegroundwithyourwork,Harry,andwithNES,we'rejustbreakingthegroundandbeginningtoarticulatethedesignofthehumanenergyfield

Harry:

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Ohyeah,we'veonlyjuststarted.Wellit'sbeenprettyincredible,becauseIhadthisamazing10-yearjourneywithPeterandthen,unfortunatelyhedied.Butyeah,I'verecentlybeengoingbackoveralotofhispreviouspapers,andactuallyI'vejusthadshippedovertothestates,hopefullyitwillbeherewhenyougethere,butboxesandboxesofalloftheoldresearch.Ithinkit'sinteresting,Ithinkyouwerejustaskingmebeforewehitrecord.Butyeah,oneofthepapersandthingsI'vecameacrosswasthisideaof...Hecalleditemotionaloscillations.IthinkI'mprobablyslightlyrephrasingthetheoryintowhatI'llcallemotionalimmunity.Butyeah,whenyoulookatthoughtsandenergywithinyourbody,somethingIwasjustreadingyesterdaythatPeterremindedmeabout,ishealthandhealingisallaboutwhereenergyisatitsmostefficient.Sowe'reactuallylookingforreallylowenergystateinthebodybecausethatmeansenergyandinformationisabletotravelefficiently.Emotions,whichwe'reobviouslygoingtogetintointhisdiscussion,emotions,whenyouhaveveryviolentemotions,orthere'salotofemotionsandthey'reoscillatingalot,itdisturbsthatenergyfieldanditmakesitinefficient.Whenyouhaveenergyinefficientandtoomuchenergygoingonyougetdisease.It'salsoprettyfascinating,somethingjustisoccurringtouswhenIwasreadingthat,isinthehomeopathicideas,youhavethisideaoftheretracingofdisease.Yousortofunfoldit,youunpeeltheselayersandyougobacktothesepreviousdiseasestates.Andthissortoftheoryexplainsthatbecausewhenyoutakeawayonedistortionyougetbacktohowtheenergypatternwaspreviously,andthat'sbasicallyapreviousdiseasestate,etcetera,etcetera.Ithinkthefortunatethingis,Imeanthat'sthewondersofbioenergeticsandpsychology,youcanactuallysortofretracerightback,youcanjumpsteps,youdon'thavetogobackthrougheverything,whichisratheruncomfortable.Yeah,allgoodfun.

Lenny:

Itis.Wedon'thavetogobackovereverystepthatgotushere,relativetothedistortion.Butthat'swhatbioenergeticsdoesteachusandshowus,andthereasonbeingisbecauseit'sallconnected.ThewayIdescribeittopatientsandclientsisintheoldmodelofscience,whichisstillrelevant,westillliveinaparticle-basedworld,right?SoifIwastherewithyou-

Harry:

Lenny:

Youmight,Lenny.I'mnotsureIdothesedays.

I'mnotsureyoudoeitherandI-

Harry:

Lenny:

Youdo.

Yeah.Andnotjustmyemotionsoscillate,butIoscillatebetweentworealities.Imean,Iwokeuptothatyearsagothattherereallyaremultiplerealities,buttwodistinctrealities;theinvisibleworldandthevisibleworld.Sowhenweopenupashealersorpractitioners,thenewscience,whatIliketoseeitastheartandscienceofconscioushealing.Wehavetobecomeawareofthedesign,andinthatdesignwedon'thavetotoucheverythingthat'swrong.Todayinhealthcarewewanttoidentifyeverythingthat's


wrongandtryandfixit.Newquantumhealthcare-

Harry:

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Yeahwell,Ithinkthat'sthebit.Whenyoulookatitfromthisideathatwe'rebasicallytryingtomakeenergytransferefficientinthebody,andemotionsandthoughtsjustdistortthatandyougetallthesehugeoscillations.Whyonearthwouldachemicalsolveadamnthing?LikewhywouldProzacfixyouremotionsandstarthealingyou?Imean,Isayobviously,butitmaynotbeobviousforalotofpeople,butachemicalisnotabletodothat,Imean,it'sonlythedeeperworkthat'sreallygoingtobeabletomakeashiftinhowit'shappening.MaybeIshouldsaywhattheseoscillationsare,becausethat'ssortof-

Lenny: Yeah,describewhatyoumeanbythoseoscillations.Peoplefeelthoseoscillations,areinit,partofit,createit.

Harry:

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Yeah.Imeanthere'ssomehistoricalcontext,well,there'salwayshistoricalcontext,butImeantheChinesehadthisideaoforbs,andprobablymorefamiliartopeopleisoutofIndiayou'vegotthechakrasystem,whichwasseenassortofthesesphereswithbasicallytheyhaveemotionsattached.Idon'tknow,maybe40,50yearsago,therewasaGermancalledHammer,hewassortofnoticingtheemotionaleffectsorcorrelationsbetweendifferentorgansanddiseases,andtheywereactuallyusingCTscansandtheynoticedthesespheresincertainpartsofthebrain,whichbasicallyendedupcalcified,they'vegotthesecalcifiedrings.Longandshort,basicallywhereyouhavereallysignificantemotionorbasicallytraumaorconflict,itcanregisterindifferentareasofthebrain,andthat'sactuallyphysicallyreflectedinthephysicalbraininthesecalciumrings.Sowhenwetalkaboutsomeenergyoscillationorthoughtbeinginoscillation,it'snotjustanenergymanifestation.Overtimeitbasicallymakesthesephysicalchanges,andbecausethebodyisholographic,itbasicallyhastheserelays,ifyoulike,tootherbodyparts,youmanifestphysicalchangesandtheotherpartsofthebody.Andyeah,obviouslywhatreallymattersishowonearthyoucanresolvethoseconflictsgoingoninyourhead.There'sacoupleofways,there'ssomebioenergeticInfoceuticaltypetechniques,buttherearealotmorepowerfulifthey'rebasicallycombinedwiththemoretransformationaltechniquesthatLennyisgoingtotellusabout,thehero'sjourney.Trumpthat,Lenny.

Lenny:

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Well,Ithinkthehero'sjourneyinhealthcare,andit'saphenomenathat'snotunderstood,peoplearen'ttaught,practitionersaren'tpromoting.There'snotaconsciousnessthatperson'shealingjourneyistheirhero'sjourney,there'ssomethingtobereclaimed.Ifyoulookatthearchetypeofthehero'sjourney,thearchetypemeaningthestructure,atleastthewayit'sbeentaughtinmostmythologyandmostspiritualtraditions,andthisiswhatJosephCampbellbroughttolightinourmodernculturewhenhelookedatallofthestorylines,andthisrelatestowhatyou'resaying,we'llcomebackaround.Allofthemythineverymajorcivilizationandeveryculture,everyglobalcultureasfarbackashestudied,hadonefamiliarstoryline,andthatwasthehero'sjourney,thattherewasastory,therewasaplot,toourlife.Anditisaboutreclaimingpower,andit'saboutreclaimingagreaterauthenticityofourself.Now,thoseHammerHeardsyou're


talkingabout,orthoseimprints,today-

Harry:

Lenny:

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…yourjourneyabit.

Yeahwell,what'sblockingtheway?Imean,wetalkaboutabundantenergy,we'retalkingnow,whenIsaywe,kindofacollectivenewparadigmofconsciousnessandhealingandtransformation,isrecognizingthatit'snotjustworkingatthelowestcommondenominator,likewithProzacorwithmedicationsandjusttryingtochemicallysuppresssomething,buthowdoyougettothosehigherlevelsofoptimalhigherperformance,higherfunctioning,asahumanbeing?Andonehastogoontheirjourney.We'vegottobreakawayfromthenorm.Sothehero'sjourneyhassomeveryfundamentalsimpleconstructstoit.Oneiswegetacalltoleavetherealitywe'rein,andmostofthetimethatcallisahealthcarecrises,that'sthecrises,butit'snotseenasacalltoleavetherealitythatone'sin,it'stodayhasbeeninourmoderndayhealthcaresystem,it'sseenasanopportunitytojustsuppresswhateveriscallingthatperson.Symptomsareacalltomakechange,andwesuppressthem.SoinoursystemofhealthcareinquantumhealingandtheNESsystem,andthisiswhatdrewmetohowyouandImet.IwasdrawntojustwhatPeterFraseroutlinedandwhatyouhadoutlinedintermsofwecouldseeawholeperson'sstorywithintheirbodyfield.Todaywecanseethestory,wecanseethepastbecauseit'sstillpresentinthetrauma,thememoryofitisstillimprinted.Andifitbecomescrystallized,likeyousaid,inthebrainwecalltheHammerHeard,inthatimprint,thenthatenergeticfrozenplacethatisinthatquantumspaceofthebrain,willmanifestinthetissueanditwillcreateabiologicalconflictsomewhereinthebody.Andifwetryandtreatthebiologicalconflictwithmedication,we'renottreatingthedeeperconflict,whichisinthepsyche,whichissomewheredeeperwithinwhatweknowas,andwhatwecall,thematrix,orthedesignofthehumanpsyche.We'vegottogoback.Wedon'tnecessarilygobacktothetrauma,weknowhowtoinvitethattraumaforward,andsomethinghastobechangedvibrationally.

Harry:

Yeahwell,traumaisalways,well,Iguessinotherwords,I'mtryingtoremember...Yeah,IthinktheChinese'swordforcrisesisthesameas,Ithink,asopportunity,anditcomesbacktothesortofideathatcrisesproceedstransformation.I'veseenit,goodness,howmanytimesinourlife?I'vehadalotofcrises,butyoubasicallygettheopportunityandchoicetoeithercycleupfromit,learnsomethingandcycleup,orittakesyoudowndarkeranddeeperuntilyoulearnit.Somepeoplelearnandothers,Ihatetobesodramatic,butothersdie.Ibelieveyoucanalwaysturnitaround,butit'snotsoeasyhavingbeingprettyclosetodeathmyselfafewtimes.

Lenny: Yes.Ithinkthat'spartofmoderncivilizationtoday.Wedowalkafinelinebetweenlifeanddeathintermsofthedangersoftheworld,butalsointermsofthecrisesthatarewithinus.Soifwe'refortunateenoughtohavethatcrisissurfaceandbecomeawareofit,that'sthechallenge.Isayfortunateenoughbecausetheworldisincrises.Sothosewhoareconsciouslywillingtoembrace-

Harry: I'mgoingtoaskyouLenny,andI'veneveraskedyou,butIknoweveryonewilllovetohearitifyoudon'tmindsharing,soyou'velearnedallofthisincrediblewisdom,butwhat


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werethebigcrisesthatyou'vebeenthroughearlierinyourlife,andwhatdidyoulearnfromthem?Becauseprobablymorepeopleknowmystory,buttheydon'tknowwhatledtoyourtransformation.

Lenny:

Wellyouknow,ifIgobackit'sagoodquestion.IaskthatquestiontojustabouteverybodythatIworkwith,youknow,whatgotyouhere?Whatdoyouthinkreallygotyoutocomeintomyofficeandusworkingtogether?Forme,ifIlookback,myconsciousmemoryisoneofaprettyjoyfullifestylegrowingup,butindeeperhonestyonceIwokeuptowhatitiswe'retalkingaboutandhowthehumanpsycheworks,IrealizedthattherewasalotofcrisesIexperiencedinmydevelopmentalyearsbecausemymomwasincrisis.Mymomwas...ManycanrelatetothisIbelieve,wherewebelievewe'reinaninnocuoussettingasachildwherewe'reinalovinghomeorcompassionateoraffectionenvironment,andyetthere'scrisisgoingonthattheyoungpsychedoesn'tevenrealize.Itdoesn'thavetobeovertabuse,althoughwhenIlookbackatmychildhood,there'salotofterrorIgrewupwith,butitwasallkindofencompassedinalovingenvironment,butitwasstill-

Harry:

Lenny:

Alovingterror.

Notlikewhatyouseetoday.SoIdidn'tfeeltraumatized,andyetIrealizedthattherearelevelsthatIwastraumatized,butIwasfortunateenoughtohavecertainoutletsforhandlingthosecrises.Schoolformewasacrisis.Istruggledinschool,mymindwantedtobesomeplaceelse,soIneverrealizedthatschoolwasacrisis,butitwas.Iwasconstantlyincrisis,orlookingtogettoschoolandbeinthatacademicsystemthatmysoulandmyminddidn'twanttobein.ButInavigatedit,mystory.Everyone'sgotastory,andeveryone'sstoryissacredandtothemselves,andimportant.Sothefirstmajorcrisesthatprobably...Ineverhadahealthcarecrises,Iwasfortunate,butIexperiencedsomeinmyfamily,soI'vehadfinancialcrisis,I'vehadrelationshipcrisis,I'vehadcrisiswheremyrealityhasbeensplitapart,wheretheworldIwascreating,thissecurityoftheworldIcreatedwithfamilyandhomeandrelationshipandfinancesandcareer,allofthatinashortperiodoftime.Iwentthroughafinancialcrisis,relationshipcrisis,careercrisis,withinlikeatwoorthree-yearperiod,wherewhatIhadcreatedwasnolonger.Andnotjustnotworking,itwasreallyjustcouldn'tholdittogether.Thatcrisiswasaboutsomethingandmelookingtoemergeforward.

Harry:

Lenny:

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Andwhatdidyoutransformthroughthat?Whatareyoudoingnowthat'sdifferent?

Goodquestions.Tobebluntlyhonest,whatItransformedwassomedeep-rootedstructuresinmyownpsyche.Oneconnectedtoastateofvictimization.CarolineMysstalksaboutthesefoursurvivalarchetypesinallofhumanity.Oneisthevictim,oneisthewoundedchild,everyonehasavictimstateinside,we'rebornintoit.Thewoundedchildisdifferentiated,there'snoonetypeofwoundedchild.Youcouldbetheabusedchild,theneglectedchild,theignoredchild,thephysicallyabused,sexuallyabused,emotionallyabused,psychicallyabused,criticized,sothatwoundisdiversified.Everyone'sgotsomepieceofthatintoday'ssocietyandtoday'smodernculture.Anothersurvivalarchetypeisthesaboteur,thepartwithinusthatislookingtosaboteurhowwe


advanceinlife.Now,thesearchetypesareactuallyheretoprotectus.SowhenyouaskmewhatdidItransform,whatchanged?Ibecameawareofthesedeeperpsychicstructuresthatweretheretokeepmesafe,butwerenotworkingformetoevolveforward.Andthat'swhenthedoorofwhat'scalledthe'shadowworld'orthearchetypalworldthatstaysinshadow.See,thearchetypes,thesearepowerstructures,andwehaveaccesstothem.It'snotthepersonality.

Harry:

Lenny:

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Harry:

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Lenny:

Whatareyou?Areyoulikethelovermagician?

Yeah,alotoflovermagicians.So,myhero'sjourneywastoreallyreclaimthatwarriorvector,whichifapersondoesn'thavethewarriorvectorinplacewithinthem,andthewarriorisnotthedestroyer,thewarriorisreallytheenergytocreate,thewarrioristhatpartofmethatcansetclearboundaries,thatbringpassionthrough,toreallybepassionateaboutone'sowntruth,one'sownauthenticity.DonMiguelRuizintheFourAgreementstalksaboutitasbeingimpeccablewithyourword,beingtruetoyourself.Buttodaypeopledon'tknowhowtobetruetothemselvesbecauseweweren'ttaughthowtobetruetoourselves.We'retakenofftrackveryearlyoninlife,andyoucouldstillliveagoodlife,butnotnecessarilybetruetoyourself,tobetruetothatsoul'sdeepestlongingorthatsoul'sdeepestdesire.WhatyouandIdiscussHarry,whatwecallabout,istheresuchathingasdestiny?Istheresomethingthateachindividualhascomeintothisworldtogive?

Isit,foryou,Ithinkyouknowyouhaveapurposeandadestiny,formeIabsolutelydo,togetbioenergeticsouttohumanity.I'maskingonbehalfofotherpeople,becauseIknowwhenIspeaktoalotofotherpeople,withIguessnormaljobsandthisandthat,alotofpeopledon'tknowwhattheirpurposeis,ortheyjustdon'tknowwhatthatjourneyis.So,doyouthinkeveryonehasapurpose?Ordoyouthinkit'sassimpleaswhatyou'resayingearlier,it'sliketoreclaimtheirownpowerandthe'purpose'doesn'treallymatter,it'sjustaboutclaimingwhotheyare?

Yeah,that'sanothergoodquestion.Tomakeadistinctionbetween,youknow,it'saparadox,it'sthatZenparadox.Wedon'tneedtolookforpurpose,wejustneedtolivepurpose.Andtheysay,"Okay,wellhowdoIknowifI'monpurpose?"Well,there'scertaincluestothat.Oneisthatindividualswhoareonpurposefeelthat,there'sacertainresonanceofthat.SotheDaosays,"TheDaothatcanbedefinedisnottheDao."WhatItypicallysayis,"Thepurposethatcanbedefinedisnotyourpurpose."Wecan'tdefinepurpose.Wecandefinemissionclearer,likeyouandIshareamissionrightnow,weshareamissiontobringthisworkmoreintotheworld,toawakenmorepeopletobioenergeticsandthetechnologyofit,andhowthatcanfreepeoplefromanarchetypalpatternoffunctionthat'snotnatural.

Harry:

I'llhavetosay,yeah,IreallylovethatbecausewhenIlookbackatourlife,it'slikethejourneyhasbeen...Imean,nowIcanarticulatethemissionandthewhy,butbasicallyyougodownandyouwriteitdownandthenthat'swhatitis.Butit'snotwhyIendedupdoing...Imean,it'sjustbeenajourneyandit'sjustbeenwhatI'mdoing,butultimatelyit'sjustthisjourneyofinquiryandlearning,andthenwhateverwelearnwetryand


assimilateandputitoutbacktotheworldinamorecohesiveformat.Imean,that'ssortofIguessislikethehero'sjourney.Butitdoesn'tneedtobethebioenergeticsmission,itcouldbeanything.Imean,I'malwaysjust,we'rejust,learning,assimilating,givingback.Imean,that'sbasicallyitforme.

Lenny:

Right,that'sthehighestpointonMaslow'spyramidofevolutionaryconsciousness.TonyRobbinstalksabout,Ithink,thesixbasicdesiresorneeds,andthehighestistocontribute,togiveback.Butwe'vegottogothroughourowntrialsandtribulationstogettothepointofawarenesswhereapersonbelievesinthemselfenoughthattheyhavesomethingtocontribute.

Harry:

Yeah,I'vealwaysbattledwiththatactually.Imean,it'ssortoffunny,eventhoughwe'veproducedalotofstuff,we'veavoidedthepubliceye.Andit'sonlyreallythisyearthatwe're,asweweresayingatthebeginning,we'regoingtodoalotofMooing,whichstandsformultipliedoraloutput,wherewe'rejustbasicallytryingtomilkthebrainthroughtheoralmethod.

Lenny:

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We'reteaching,youknow,thecouragetoteach,thecouragetospeakoutandspeakup.Iknowthat'sbeenapartofmyjourney,isreallyreclaimingthecouragetospeakout.EventhoughIdoiteveryday,I'vebeendoingitfor40yearsprofessionally,Istillrecognizethere'salwaysanotherstep,Ibelieveinthehero'sjourney,wherelifewillinviteyouifyou'rewillingtogo.Andittakescourage.Andtoreclaimcouragetakespressure,it'snotgoingtohappenintheordinaryworld.Theordinaryworldistheworldofcomfort,domestication.Sowhenyouaskmeaboutmytransformation,IrealizedthatIwaslivingaverycomfortablelife,agoodlife,butwasitnecessarilymine?WasitreallythelifethatIcameheretolive?Andnoone,thatquestionwasn'taskedtomealongtheway.Ihadtodiscoverthatquestion.Sothehero'sjourneyisbrokendownintothree...Youknow,itgetsmorecomplex,andthecomplexityisvaluablebutyou'vegottobeinittounderstandit.Hero'sjourneyisonetodiscover,discoverwhoyouare,andthatdiscoveryprocesscanbealifelongprocess.Thenit'stodevelopwhoyouare,thetalentsandthegiftsthatonehas,therearelevelstodevelopthat,especiallytomakethemaccessibletotheproblemsoftoday'sworld,andtodaytheworldisaproblemplace.Andthenit'sdiscover,develop,andthenthefinalstep,whydoyoudothosefirsttwo?Youdoittodeliver,todeliverwhatevergoodyouhavebackintotheworld.Now,alongthewaythere'swhereyouencounterthedragons,theinnerdemons,whatevertheresistanceare,thosefourarchetypesthatCarolineMysstalksabout,butitgetsmorespecificthanthat.Whateverhidesintheshadowonthehero'sjourney,onemustneedtogointotheshadow,needtogointothatwildernesslandinsidethepsyche,thepartsofthepsychethathavebeensplitoff,fragmented,pusheddown,andthat'swherethosetraumasthatweseeonthescanswedo,whereweseethem.Ifmypsyche,myawareness,hasseparatedmyselffromatraumaticexperience,andIhaven'tintegrateditataparticularlevelthatmycentralnervoussystemneedstointegrateinordertobewhole.Sotheinformationcomingthroughmeisintegrated.IfI'vegotpartsthatarehidingoutbacktheresomewhere,theywillleadtodisease,theywillcertainlyleadtodiscomfort,buttheywillbecomecrystallizedenoughinanorgantoleadtodisease.So,here'swhereit'sallconnected.Thisiswhatwe'reawareofnow.Andit'sbeenanevolutionaryprocess,


justtheteachersthathavegottenushere.FromPetertoyourself,toHammer,tosomany.Imean,backin1982Iwasataconference,IwasthehostforBernieSiegel.RememberBernieSiegel?Hewasthe-

Harry:

Lenny:

I'mEnglish.

...FromYale,thatwasoneofthefirstbackinthe70'stospeakabouttheexceptionalcancerpatient,andtheexceptionalcancerpatientwasthatpatientbackinthemid70's,hecoinedthatphrase,thatwaswillingtoembracetheirdiseaseconsciously.Theydidn'thavethetoolswehave,butheusedvisualizationwithadoctorcalledSimonTing,wherethepatientwouldvisualizeandengageinacertaininnerenergy,theenergyofimagination.Soimaginationhaspower,andimaginationisconnectedtothisarchetypalstructureofthepsychewe'retalkingabout.Howmanypeopleuseimaginationincreatingtheirlifeorcreatingtheirworld,orinhealingtoday?

Harry: Nottoomanypeople.

Lenny: No,becauseyou'vegottodosomething.You'vegottoparticipateinyourjourney.

Harry: Imightjustshowthe...Ifyou'rewatchingonYouTube.Yeah,outofcuriosity-

Lenny: Whathaveyougot?

Harry:

Lenny:

Well,they'rejustmindmaps.ActuallythisoneisaboutwhatIdoandwhatIshouldn'tdo.Goodnessknows.Allright,that'soneabouttheoveralloflife.Lookatthat.Idon'tknowifthismapisviewable.God,anyway,yeahI'mthegreatmindmapperoflife.

Yeah,mindmappingisgetitonpaper.There'ssomuchinformationthatwantstogetoutwitheverybody.Youknow,howdoesthisallwork?Howdoyoubringthistogetherinahealingcontext?That'sthechallengeoftoday.

Harry: Oh,that'seasy.

Lenny:

Harry:

Itiseasyforwhenyouknowhowtodoit.

Youjustputyourhandonthescannerandthenitwilltellyouexactlywhereyouareinyourhero'sjourney,whattypeofarchetypeyouare,whereeveryou'reintheshadow,andwhattodoaboutitandhowtodoit.

Lenny: I'mexcitedtoseewhatyounewlycreatedonhowwecandiscerntheinformationwithinthefields.It'sallinthefield.

Harry:

Well,maybeweshouldtalkaboutwhatthefourmainarchetypes.Youbrieflymentionedtheshadow,butyeahwedidn'tgetintotheshadow.Soyou'vegotyourkingwarrior,lover...God,Imissedoneout,that'sterrible...magicians,andthenyou'vegottheshadowelements.Maybeweshouldjustbrieflytalkaboutthekinganditsshadow.Andjustforthelisteners,ifyouwanttoknowwhicharchetypeyouare,youcanbasicallyjustdoascanandfindout,andyoucanseewhereyourshadowsare.

Lenny: Well,youcanseewheretheworkis,whereyourego,wherethatindividual'sawareness


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wantstogo.See,thereferencepointisthatthereisanevolutionaryforcewithinus.Thereissomeforcethatdrivesthehumanspirit,thereissomethingthatisbeyondthepersonality,beyondjustthislifetime.There'sadesigntolife.Nowwhetheryoucallitgod,divinity,nature,higherintelligence,itmakesnodifferencewhatthenameis,butthere'sadesigntolife.Andthat'swhenwecanacceptthatthereisadesign,whatcomeswithfollowinglife'sdesignisanaturalcontrol,there'sacontrol.Notbeingcontrolled,butbeingwithinacertaindominionofexperiencewherethingswork.Theworldwe'reinhasgottenawayfromthat.Sowhenwestarttolookatwhatarchetypesarerelativetothepsycheandrelativetoreclaimingpower,it'shelpfulonaconsciousleveltoreclaimthese,especially...YoustartedtodayHarry,weweretalkingaboutemotions,Ibelievethereisn'tarealclearunderstandingorcertainlyaclearcohesivesystemtohelppeopleemotionallyhealwhoaretryingtohealsomethingbiochemicallyorbiocellulary,theykeeptheemotionout.Soworkingwithgoingintoshadow,what'shiddenandconsciousandreclaimingtheking,there'sakinginsideeveryman,there'saqueeninsideeverywoman.Inasimplediagramofhowthesearchetypeslivewithinus,there'sawarriorthatservesthekingorthequeen,andyouseethisinallmythology.Onewho'sreallydiscussedthisworkwellisRobert-

Harry:

Lenny:

Howdoestheloverservetheking?

Theloverserversthekingby...Thesearevectors.Youcanthinkofthekingandqueenandwarriorasmaintainingaverticalvectorofpower,howthevitalforcecomesintothehumanexperience.Forexample,whenamanisinhisking,he'sinhismission,heknowshehasapurpose.Now,thatpurposeisnotsomuchaboutwhatyou'redoingoutthereintheworld,it'saboutintegratingasenseofvalueandasenseofsovereignty,asenseoffreedomwithinone'sself,freedomofexpression.Akingcaresforhiskingdom,caresforhisworld,he'sconcernedwiththeelementsoflifebeyondhimself.Samewiththequeen.Andthesearecoexisting,kindofmale/femalecreativeenergiesinmasculine/feminine,sacredmasculineandsacredfeminine.Thesearchetypesarecomplimentary.So,amanforexamplehasaqueenlivinginside.Insideeverymanisthesacredfeminine,whatJungcalledtheanima.Insideeverywomanisthesacredmasculine,theanimus.Sowhenwecanintegratetheinnerpartsofourself,whichtakesbeingselfreflectiveandgoingonthatjourney,wegainmorepower,wegainmorewholeness,anditcomestofocusintheseforms,thesearchetypes.Theloverandmagiciankindoffilloutallthecolorsoflife.Theloveristheonethatwantstobeconnectedwitheverything,theloverlovespleasuresandavoidsthepain.Buttheloverisalsotheonethatbringsthatdeepeningsensethatalliswell,weareallone.Theloveristheonethatbringsthevitality,thatenergyofvitality.Whenyou'reinlove,whenamanisinloveorawomanisinlove,theenergyofromanceispartofloverbutit'snotjustromance,it'stakingthatenergyandliftingtoahigherstateofcreativity.Themagicianisvitaltoalloftheseenergies.Howthemagicianenergyseeswhattheothersdon't,themagicianenergyisthemagic,istheonethatcanalsointegratetheking,thewarrior,thelover.Lookatthestorylineinmythology.Everygoodking,everysovereignking,everyfreekingthatservethepeople,alwayshadcounselorfromawisemagician.GandalfandtheTrilogyofLordoftheRings.There'ssomuchtruthinallofthestories.Soinsideoneself...I'llsayitthisway.IfI'mnotunaware


Harry:

thatIamakinginsidesomewhereenergetically,archetypically,intermsofpowerbringingmysenseofsovereignty,Iwillneverfeelfreeintheworld.I'llalwaysbevictimtosomeoneoutsidemyself.

Becausetheshadowoftheking,iswhereyouhavethetyrant,andwhatdotheycallit?The-

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Weakling.

Yeah,theweakling.Soyeah,you'redescribingbeingtheweaklingintheshadow.

Right.Theweakling,someone'salwaysgoingtohavepoweroverme,andthetyrant,theotherextremeofthat,isI'mgoingtohavepowerovereverybody.Noone'sgoingtohavepowerovermebecauseI'mgoingtooverpowereverybody.That'sthewoundofbullyinginourculture.Sotheseenergiesthatrun,theyrunintheshadowofthecollective,andthenrunintheshadowofindividuals.SowhenIworkwithsomeone,I'mnotjustworkingwiththembiochemically.I'vedesignedmypracticeafter40years,andIdoitthroughgroupandIdoitthroughindividuals,andwedoitthroughjustbringingawareness,andinvitingpeoplewhowanttoreclaimthatpower,invitingthemintotheirownshadow.Likeforamantobewhole,formetobewhole,Ihavetobeawareofthetyrantthatlivesinsideme.Ican'tdenyhim,they'rethere.I'vegottobeawarethat-

Ican'timagineyouasatyrant.

Well,it'sbeingawareofhowtheyoperateinsideourselves.That'sawareness.Thewarrior,ifthewarriorisnotbeingservedfromthathigherlevelofawareness,ofahigherconsciousness-

Theystartkillingpeople.

Yeah.Thatenergyisgoingtosplitoff,andit'sexpressedthroughtheemotionofanger.Thekingorthequeenexpressestheirsovereigntythroughpurejoy,throughtheheartofjoy,justbeingsoenjoyedwithyourkingdomandtheircreation.Butittakesworktomaintainthat,andittakesworkofthewarrior,justtohavethosehealthyboundaries.Todayinhealing,thecoreissuesthatIseeacrosstheboard,everybodythat'scomingintomycenter,whethertheycomeinwithissuesofmajorneuro-degeneration,digestiveissues,autoimmune,whateveritis,thereisatthecoreofthatbiologicalissue,aboundaryissueinthepsyche.Theycan'teitherholdtheirboundaryrelativetotheenvironment,theycan'tholdtheirboundaryrelativetorelationships,andtheycan'tholdtheboundaryrelativetothesevoiceswithinthemthataretryingtodestroythem.Thesaboteur,thevictim,thewoundedchild.Sothere'snoclearegostructureinternallybecausethey'veneverbeentaughtthat,orneverbeen-

Holdingboundariesisprettyhard,yeah,thefurtheryougodownthejourney,themoreboundariesthatyouhavetohave.I'vedefinitelyexperiencedbuildingacompanyandallofthedifferentopinions.Whileeveryone'sshadow'swithinthat,andthenpeopleprojectstuffintheirheadontotheleaderthatmayormaynotbetrue.Butyeah,Iseethatpartofthatisholdingtheboundariessoyoucanmaintainthestability.It'snot-


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IfleadershipwaseasyHarry,we'dalldoit.

We'dalldoit,yeah.

Lookattheleadershipthatyou'reproviding.Andthat'swhat...Iampassionateaboutworkingwithleaders,andassistingleaderstogetevenfreerwithintheirleadership.Somypracticeisselective.PeoplewhocometomearethosethatIknownowarereadytowakeuptotheirownleadership.Andthenit'sassistingthemthroughthehero'sjourney,whichthefinalfrontierisreclaimingthebody,reallyowningone'sownbody.Soitdoesn'tbelongtosomeotherauthorityinawhitecoat,itdoesn'tbelongtoPapaPharmaca,itdoesn'tbelongtothechurch,itdoesn'tbelongtowhoI'mgivingmypowerawayinrelationship,oritdoesn'tbelongtothegovernmentthathastotakecareofmeafterI'mpassing.

IfI'vegotthisright,Imean,ournormalhealthcaresystemisreallybasicallyfullofshadowmagiciansinthesensethey're...Likeatruemagicianwantstoshareandempowerhisknowledge.Solikeinhealing,whatwetrytodoinbioenergeticsisgivetheknowledgetobasicallyeveryone,topeoplewhoneedit.Itdependsalittlebitwherethey'reatistoomuchtoosooncanbealittletoomuchtohandle.Butyeah,thegeneralideaistoempowertheindividual,andthepractitionerisbasicallytheretoguidethemonthatjourneysothattheirclientcanhavetheirownjourneyandgetbetter,andhopefullyafewmonthsdownthelinecarryontheirjourneybythemselvesandgetbetterandbetter.Whereasthehealthcaresystem,Imean,especiallywhenyou'regettingintospecialistsandsurgeons,andallthatsortofstuff,theytellyouabsolutelynothing.Youhavetocompletelytrust.Thispersonhasallpower,oftentheywon'tevensharetheirrecords,andtheycertainlydon'tsharetheirthinking,andthentheymakesomehorrendousrecommendations,whichishugelyexpensiveandyou'recompletelyreliantonthem,andthentheydrainyouofallyourmoney.Imightbesounding,but-

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No,you’renot

...thatiswhat'sactuallygoingon.I'msorry,butallthepeoplewhenthey'reinthatsystem,they'renotconsciouslyawarethatthey'rebasicallyheavyinshadowandcontrollingallthesepeople.Iunderstandhowtheygettherebecausewhenthey'reyoungandinmedicineschool,theydidwanttobeagoodmagician.Overtimethesystemhascorruptedthemandtheyget-

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HowmanydoctorsthatI'veknown,colleaguesthatI'veknown,thatwakeupinthemidstoftheircareer,afterthey'veestablishedtheirkingdom,thatthesystemiscorruptandthere'sa-

Andthey'retherealheroes,theonesthatwakeupandleaveandjointheotherside,likethefunctionorbioenergetics,orwhateveritis.There'smanyformsofhealingthatarebeneficial.

Lenny:

Andsincewe'reonthistopic,it'sagoodtopicbecauseit'sreal,sofunctionalmedicine,youmentionedthefunctionalmedicinecommunity,whichisawonderfulcommunityofintegrateddoctors,andithasitsshadow.Youknownowwe'recreatingspecialistswithin


Harry:

thefunctionalmedicinecommunity,soinordertogetto-

Andthey'revery...I'vehadafewconversationswithsomeoftheleadersthere,andthisandthat,andhowwouldIputit?They'retheoreticallyopenbutnotreallyopen,becausethey'vesortofgotthismissiontobasicallyconvertpharmachemicalpeopleintosupplementandnutrientIVchemicalpeople.Honestlythat'sasfarastheywishtogo.Andasyousay,it'safairlynarrowviewpoint.Butanyway,we'llleaveitatthat.

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Well,leaveitatthat,but-

….upsetsomepeople,whichisalwaysgreat.

Well,Imean,theshadowintheoverallhealthcareofourglobalcommunityhastobeaddressed,andit'sbeingaddressedrightnowinpart,notinwhole,sothere'sbreakthrough,butthere'sashadowinallofhumanity,anditcan'tclearlybedefined.Butforexample,we'retalkingaboutfunctionalmedicine,whichisthenewfrontierthat'semergedoutoftheconventionalmodel.IwasdoingclasseswithJeffery-

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It'sthefrontierofbiochemistry.

Biochemistry,right.

Whichisn'tthefrontier.

No,let'sjuststayonthisforamoment.Mywarriorwantstopushonthisalittlebit.

No,Iwanttohearit.

So,Italkedtomyfunctionalmedicinecolleaguesaboutbioenergeticmedicine,becauseIwasfortunateenough,whenIstarted40yearsagoIstartedfromabioenergeticmodelparadigm.Thatwasmyinitiation,Iwasjustfortunate,blessed,tohavesometeachers,andIwokeupthattheworldisabioenergeticfield.Andsothat'swhyI'mstillhere,that'swhyyouandIarehavingthismoo-logtoday.We'llcallitamoo-log,notadialog.

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Moo-log.Yeah,insteadofadialogueI'mgoingtohavetotexttheinventoroftheMoo.He'sgoingtolovethat.Butkeeptalking.

Havingmoremoo-logs.SonowwhatIhear,Harry,isIheargood,compassionate,functionalmedicinedocsthatIknow,myfriends,thatareaskingmetoproveit.Well,provethat,howdoesbioenergywork?Maybeopentoit,butnotasopenaswemightthink.Andit'sthesamepatternofegotisticalstubbornnessthatasfunctionalmedicinepractitionerswefaced30yearsago,wheretheworldwassaying,youknow,"Provetousthatnutritionworks."Nowwedon'tneedto,it'snotontrialanymore,notitjustneedstobeembraced.Buttheveryfrontieroffunctionalmedicineisbioenergetics.Wehavetointegratebioenergyandbiochemistry,otherwisewe'releavingoutthemajorityofpower.Thepowerisinthefield,andhow-

Bioenergeticsisinclusive-


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It’sallinclusive.

...ofbiochemistry.Ultimatelyachemicalisaformofenergyexchangeaswell,youknow,whenyouhavelikesugarconvertstoATP,whichisbasicallyanelectrontransfermechanisminyourmitochondria.Imean,thewholethingcanbeexplainedthroughenergyexchange.Youbasicallyhavephysicsatthetopofthepyramid,thenyouhavechemistry,andthenyouhavebiology,andthenyouhavehealthcaremedicineandallofitsdifferentthings.Unfortunatelyittouchesabitofbiology,touchessomechemistry,andrarely,unlessyou'reoneofusbioenergeticlot,doyousortofgetintouchwiththetop.

Yes,andtogetintouchwiththetop,Ithinkallthepieces,we'vegotallthepiecesoutontheproverbialtablenow,they'realloutthereinthefield.Nowwe'reinacycleofintegration.Soforexample,Idosee,Imean,Ihaveallkindsofclients,consciouspeople,thatcomeinthatareempoweredindividuals.Sothey'redoingthebiochemicalpieceinafunctionalmedicinerealm.They'reevenopentodifferentkindsofbioenergetictechnologies,butit'susuallypiecemeal,meaningI'vedonethis,I'vebeenzapped,I'mtryingtozapthispathogen.I'musingbio-resonancetotryandgetridof-

Yeah,that'swhatwegetonour...ForeveryoneonourFacebookcommunityaskwhat'stheInfoceuticalfirst,what'stheprotocolforthat.

Lenny: We’restilllooking…remedy

Harry: Yeah,listentowhatLenny’ssayinghere,becauseit’sreallycrucialwhythisisnottheanswer.

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Themissingpieceisinthatcapstonethatyouwerejustdescribing.Howdoyougettothetopwhereit'sallintegrated?Themissingpieceisconsciousness,andtheconsciousnessoftheindividualthatisseekingtohealwillpartybeinshadow.Whatthey'retryingtohealthey'renotseeing.Andit'snotgoingtojustbebiochemistry,andit'snotgoingtobejustbioenergy.They'vegottogoonthehero'sjourneytosomedegreetoreclaimthepartoftheirownpsyche,whichIsayisalsothesoul.Thesonar,whichisthebody,thepsycheandthesoul,it'sallonedesign.Whateverwecallitmakesnodifference,it'sonedesign,andit'sallahigherfrequency.SoifI'mnotaddressingatrauma,andatraumadoesn'thavetobeoneevent,itcouldbethebeliefsystem,theself-limitingbeliefsystemthatIinheritedfrommydadwhowasatyrant.Well,inmycasemymomwasthetyrant,butshewasalovingtyrant.Shewasalovingabuser,andthat'swhatshelearned.Imean,atsomepointhowfarbackdoyoutracethewound?Mymomwasatremendousshadowteacherforme,likewhatshegavemereallywokeupsomethinginmedifferentlythanwhatmydadgaveme.Soallofourcrisesandalloftheteachersthatwethinkwereourperpetrators,areactuallyteachingussomethingifwecangettothispointinthepyramid.Andwe'renotgoingtodoitthroughbiochemistry,andwe'renotgoingtodoitbyjustbeingtreatedfromtheoutsidein.Now,whoisreservedforthejourneyuptothetopofthepyramid,uptothetopofthemountain?Whowantstogettothesummitoftheirlife?That'sthechoicethateveryonehastomake.Idon'tknow


Harry: Wellexactly.I'vebeenthinkingaboutitinthelastfewweeks,andI'vegotthisotherpyramid.Sothisisapyramidifyou're,well,it'sforentrepreneursreally,ifthere'sentrepreneurslisteningyou'retryingtogetsomebigmissiondone.You'vegotthewhysitsontop,andyou'vegotthewhat,andthenyou'vegotthewhen.Oryoucouldsayyou'vegotthehow'sanddo's.How'sanddo'sdon'tmatter,they'reforotherpeople,butgen-Sorry,why.IthinkIsaidwhat,whytoo.

Lenny: Why,what,eitherhoworwho.Sohere'showIseeit,Iseewhy.WhyamIhere?WhatamIheretodo?HowdoIdoit?AndwhodoIdoitwith?AndthenwheredoIdoit?Allofthisisinformationthat'scomingfromthefield,andcomingfromsomelevelofimperativethat'spushingusfurther,evolvingforward.

Harry: Yeah,Imeanwhat'ssofascinatingisifyoureallyfocusonthewhyandbroadcastoutthewhyenough,you'regoingtoattractallthewho'swhoprobablyworkoutallthewhat's,andthey'llprobablyhaveawholebunchofotherwho'swhowillworkoutallthehow'sanddo's,andthenmissionaccomplished,jobdone.Anyway,itsoundseasy-

Lenny: Itsoundseasy.

Harry: ...butthat'sbasicallytheplan.

Lenny: That'sprobablytheMootheorytoo,right?Justdeliverthemilk.

Harry: YeahtheMoo,exactly.

Lenny: Deliveryourownmilk.

Harry: Yeah,we'rebasicallyMooingwhybioenergeticsmatters,sowe'reMooingaway,whichstandsformultiplyingoraloutput.

Lenny: Letmegiveyouarecentexampleofhowthisworks.

Harry: Anyonewantstoknowhowaweirdbrainworks,thisisit.

Lenny: No,thisishowthejourneyworks,andhealthcareparticularly.Entrepreneurshipis,Idon'tknowifI'vecoinedthephrase,butthewayIintegratethosetwoarchetypesinmyselfistodaywhat'sbeingdrawnfortharehealerentrepreneurs,orentrepreneurhealers.Becausethe21stcenturyentrepreneurisheretohealtheworld,notjusttomakemoneyforone'sself,butit'stobringprosperityandabundance.That'sthetopofthepyramid.ButI'mjustcomingoutwiththebook,andthenyouandIhavebeendiscussing,I'vegotanotheronecomingoutaboutourwork.ButthefirstoneIchosetocomeoutwithwastheDiamondMindset,whichisthemindsetwhichisthespiritualjourneyfortoday's-

whothatis,wedon'tknowwhothatis,butIthinkatbestwhatIcandoandwhatyou'rehelpingsomanydowithNES,istobeabletoatleastgettheinformationofnotjustwhat'sburdeningus,butgettheinformationthat'sintheenergeticfield.Awakenthebioenergeticfield,awakenthebody-field,andinthebody-fieldothercodeswillawaken.


Harry: YourealizewecanjustMoothesebooks?It'soccurringtomeweshouldbeabletoproducesixtotwelvebooksayear,IwouldhavethoughtbecausetheMooconversationsjustgotowritersandeditorswhoworries,andthenwehaveawholebunchofbooks.

Lenny: Sohere'sanexample,sometimesdescribingexamplespeoplerelateto,theysay,"Ohyeah,Icanrelatetothat,that'smeorit'slikeme."Soa43yearoldwomancomesintoseemethreeweeksago.ShehasacrisisofwhatshebelievesisaparasitenamedScabiesinfestedwithinher,andit'sdrivingherliterallycrazyfromtheinsideout.She'sbeentotopendfunctionalmedicinedoctors,paidtensofthousandsofdollars,literally.Shesaid,"Doc,IcouldhaveboughttwoRangeRoversinthelastthreeyearswiththemoniesI'vepaidout."Soshe'sbeentobothsidesofthefence,she'sbeenmedicatedwithhighendtoxicparasiticdrugs,she'sconscious,she'saware,she'sdonesomanydifferentthings.Soshefindsherwayintomyoffice,andwedoa20secondscanandwestarttogetsomeinformation,andIaskherasimplequestion,"Whyareyouhere?"Whyareyouhere?Andwhat'stheobviousanswertothatforapersonthat'sincrisis?"I'mheretogetoutofthiscrisis."AndItaketheinformationfromthescan,andwhatwestarttopiecetogetherisathemeinherlifewhereshehasbeenvictimizedfromdayone,bullied,parentallybulliedinthefamily,bulliedthroughschool.There'satremendousstrongthemeofbeingbulliedinherwholelife,beingavictim,andshe'sabrightwoman,shehasasenseofdestinyonthisend.IfIcangetfromheretothere,noone'sbeenabletogetmetherebecausenooneisarticulatingthis.Everyone'stryingtofixmefromhere.Shecan'tbefixed.AndIseethis,Harry,overandover,becauseparasitestodayisubiquitous,it'sepidemic,alldifferentkinds.Whetheritbeparasitic-

Harry: Idon'tknowifIevertoldyou,Ididthiswaterfastforthreeweeksback,oh,itwaslike18yearsagonow,andIpassedabucket,Imeannojoke,abucketfullofworms.Itwasthisjellylikemassoftapewormsandgodknowswhat.Imean,itwassorevoltingit'sbestnotevendescribehowrevoltingitwas.

Lenny: Yeah,it'samazingwhatcomesoutofourbodies.Imean,ifyou'vedonefastslikethatandyousay,"Well,howdoesallthat-

Harry: Anditdoesn'tcomeuponstooltestsoranythingwhichis...soforgetthose.

Lenny: Andhere'swhatI'verealized,andthiscould...I'llfinishthisstoryaboutthiswoman.

Harry: Sorry,yeah.Abitdistracted.

Lenny: Thepurposeoftellingthisstorywasthecoreofherpsycheisawoundedyounggirlthat'sstillbeingvictimized.Sonowthedifferentparasitesandthedifferent-.

Harry: Andtheparasitesarethesameasthedoctors.

Lenny: It'sthesamefrequency,yes.

Harry: It'sthesamefrequency.It’sclassic.


Lenny: Thesamefrequency.Itallworksonthesamefrequency,andnoonehasyetinvitedhertomoveoutofthatfrequency.Itdoesn'tdenyshe'sgottodosomethingsrelativetobiochemistry,butifthey'renotdoneinrelationshiptothewhy,ifapersondoesn'tengagewiththathighercreatorconsciousnesswithinthemselves-

Harry: Yeah,younevergetoutofit,you'rejusttrappedintheloop.

Lenny: You'rejusttrappedinit,andyougofromdoctortodoctor,techniquetotechnique.Youmightgetsomeshift,butyoudon'tgetthetransformation.Ittakesthatcreatorenergy.Irememberthefirst-

Harry: Ithinkthathero'sjourney,Imean,what'salwaysworkedforusisyouhavethecrises,doabunchofresearch,trytosimulate,youknow,workout,trytoallowonyourself,simulate,andthenyouwriteitdownandtryandbroadcastitout.Iwouldjustsaytopeople,ifyou'reonahealingjourney,writeitdownandreallytryandworkoutwhat'sgoingonandhowtohealwhenyou'regoing[inaudible01:02:05].Don'tjustcompletelysurrendertoapractitioner,goandseethemandgetloadsofadvice,butalsoownit,alsoownit.Andwhatyou'regoingtodowiththatinformation,ifyoutreatitasajourneyitwillbeajourneyupwardsratherthanasyoujustsaidreallyjustabigfriggingcyclefromonepractitionertoanother,becausethatdoesn't...

Lenny: Yeah,isn'tthis...Ibelievethisisoneofthetragediesofourhealthcaresystemtodayonbothendsofthisspectrum,isdoctorsaren'taskingtherightquestions,they'renotevenaskingquestions."Justletmetreatyou."Untilwecanengagetheindividual,andthatbringsupawhole‘nothersetofissuesandchallenges;whohastime?I'mheretotreat.Andthat'swherethecontainerscomein.Ibelievetheevolutionof21stcenturyhealingultimatelyisgoingtocenteringroupprocess,wherewe'llbeabletocreatewithremedies,withtechnique,andthisiswhatI'vebeenexploringinthecenter.I'vebeentellingyouaboutthisoverthelastyearorso,becauseI'vedone-

Harry: Lenny,haveyoueverthoughtofmovingtoFlorida?

Lenny: Thoughtaboutit.

Harry:

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Well,theonlyreasonIsaidthatisjustinthehealingcenter,there'ssomethingI'dloveto,obviouslywe'dbothlovetosee,istheInstituteforBioenergetics.I'mgoingtostarttryingtoputthattogetherthisyear,maybestartbuildingitin2019orsomething.Butifthere'speoplelisteningwhomightwanttosupportorinvestorhelpinthat,yeah,pleasegetintouchwithus.Basicallywe'dliketocreateaninstitutewherepeoplecancomeandstayforthreeweeksandfullyexperience,transform.Butweobviouslyonlyreallywantpeoplewhothenwanttogobackoutandteachitandcontributebacktosociety.Soit'shalfeducation,halftransformation,andalsoathirdresearch.Butanyway,that'sanotherlittleventure.Well,it'snotreallyaventure,it'stogivebioenergeticsahome.

Lenny: It'softhefuture.YouandIspokeaboutthat,let'skeepdialogonit.

Harry: Well,ifwedon'ttalkaboutitwewon'tbringitintofruition.


Lenny: Right.Thevalueofgroupisthatenergeticallywecantouchadimensionofhealingbeyondthethirddimension.Wecantapintothishigherfourthdimension,fifthdimension.Ibelievewhatreallyhappensiswetapintoscaleofwaveenergy,wedealwithgroupbecauseoftheenergeticsandthevitalityandthewillofthegroup.Formagroupconsciousness,agroupcontainer,andinthatpeoplemoveoutofordinaryreality,intoanon-ordinaryspaceofhealing,andinthatyoucanactuallyscalethatupwithgroupandwiththerighttechnology,andtherightconsciousnessandtherightintent.Imean,we'vebeendoingitinHuntingtonforyears,andit'sbeingdonearound,buttodoitwithsomeofthetechnologythatyouhave,andtodoitwithintent.Andtojustwhatyouweresaying,Icanimaginebringingindividualsinforaweekend,andtheycomeouttransformed.Youdon'thavetogothroughfiveyearsofthistherapyorthattherapy.Ibelievethat'sthethresholdwe'reon,Harry,istocreatethatspace,whichisalreadythere,it'sinthefield.Bringittogether,understandthepowerofthearchetypes,getone'smissioninline,dothiscollectively,findtherightalliances,therightrelationships,andthenbringtothegreatercommunitythetechnologyofconscioustransformation.Justkeepgoingwiththat.Whatelseistheretodo?Whatelseisgoingtosolvetheproblemsoftoday'sworld?Whetheritbeanindividualoritbethecollective.

Harry: Prettyeasy.That'sprobablyarelativelygoodwrappingpoint.Iwasthinkingjustforthelisteners,obviouslytheyknowoursite,neshealth.com,buthowdopeoplegetintouchwithyou,Lenny?

Lenny: YoucangotoLennyIzzo.com.Hey,thiswasfun,Harry.

Harry: Itwasfun.Cool,thankyou.

Lenny: Let’sdothisagain.

Harry:

Wendy:

Shalldo.

Pleasekeepinmindthatthispodcastisnotintendedtodiagnoseortreatanydiseaseor

healthcondition,andisnotasubstituteforprofessional,medicaladvice.Pleaseseeka

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