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SUBJECT: Gottlieb Pricdrioh CA

Attached hereto to one copy of1.

the CIS, Denmark Interrogation Report on Subject gamdated 2 August 1945.

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LATEST PANAMINTADDRE4d Palats-Rotol, Copenhaeen

REASON rokDETENTION Worked for the Auelardnaahriehtendienst Amt VI

in Denmark.

RELIABILITY

RELATIVESFather Gottlieb Friedrich Chrietian Oarstenn, master

painter, b .:rm February 14, 1876 in Kiel. Resideuoso67 Bossier kilo, Kiel. Political attit74otConesrvativ.

Mother Dora use Radebich, born August 26, 1877 in Kiel.

Address as stated above. Political attitudes non..:.

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ARRIVAL .no. l76- oxvium INTERROGATION oistax17/WEA BRITISH MIL/TARY 1Id4I01 =WI

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R00(1NAME Gottlieb &Latish Christian Oarstenn

BORN Jmly 26, 1906 in Kiel

NATIONALITY German

OCCUPATION 84- RaupteturmfUhrer

POLITICALATTITUDE Nazi ; a member of the Party)

RELIGION Lutheran

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4 1' Brought up at home. Wort to theIl uberrealsohule" in Kiel from 1913 till 1923,when ho was dismissed with a seeondary exam.Thereafter 3 rare as a grooer's apprentice inKiel. Paying palmed his apprenticeship he wasemployed as an assistent with the same firmfrom 1926 till 1928, whereafter he got a jobwith a competing firm in Kiel from 1928 till1929. Thereafter he worked as a painter at hisfather's business SY= 1929 till 1933, whereafterhe got a Job as a 12ookkeeper at the vwer worksof Kiel until the Summer of 1934. Then he wentto Berlin, where he got a Job as an a000untantwith the Sd until the end of 1934, when he wastransferred to KUnigeberg, and hcre he wasappointed a 8J-HaupteturmfUhrer in the Autumnof 1938. In 1938 ho left tho Sd and took up tieinsurance profession which he had until the

ioutbreak of the war in 1939. Now he was crdoredby the 80-dtandardete11e in Idnigsberg to carryout certain epeoial tasks, whereafter he wastransferred to Berlin, where he was employedwith the Intelligenoe-Servioe conoorning fore-ign affairs. He served in Berlin until November1944, when he was transferred to Copenhagen,whz‘re he has served with the Intelligenos-Ser-vioe, until he was arrested on May 6, 1945.

-.2..MARRIAGS :lune 2;. , 1935 at th. registrar's inidigsberg the subje ,et married Irma ,:errtha nee

Hancke. born in Perlir October 3:, 19051he le llvtg. Thoy have to oh:Adren. e subje%.does not krow, wife, wh- t.2 stayira inGermany, i . ale, as he ze.o heard nothing fr:mhcsince March this year.

POLITICALSEIATIONS 3, The subject atates that from about 2.925

till 1928 he woe a me .e...er of the *Jugend Gruppe derDwatechen Volbtpeola: - , Tt 15:2E he joined the VSilitt:but withdrew egatt in 1929, as he conl n;t remainin the Par4 for tu-inous-rew.ons. In the beginnirgof 1932 he ;i .sirei the Party again and has beer. amember ever since,

RELATIONSTO THE SS In 1934 the subject went to Berlin, where

ie Iced go-, a job through a friend as a nee:waltz/as-flibrer" ac the Sr..-teeodlardstells. Se tock this jobin Perlin, bectrtse in his latest ;e: it Kiel he notonly earned very little money, bul ale .: had verylittle possibility of promotion. In September :935he was transferred from this S6.401emotelle in Berlinto the SDNDienatelle in KUnfgeberg, where he was! a"Verwaltungeftibrer for the first 2 or 3 monowhereafter he tool charge of the regirtxtUotthe "Aktenhaltune. The subjeot kept this job untilhe left the SS in 193E.

In 1939 probably on January Noth the sub-ject was apeoitted a licuptaturmftihrer, and new hehad obtained the higheet rank within the limits ofhis service. In the Middle of 1937 he got into

connso .tion with an insurance agent, far whom in thefollowing tims he effected life-insurances with hisfriends in order to improve his monthly takings of33e Rns. Per the follewing year he was so suoceeft:in ia ineurenee work that it Wa3 possible for thesubjeot to lay by acme money. In the beginning of1938 the subject made up his mind to leave his pre-sent main job within the SZ in order that possib4he might eetablieh himself Independently In Ber:61n.Be left the SS on July 1, 1936 and was mewled asan insurance-man in KUnigeberg and other cities inEastern Prussia, at the sane time through friendsin Berlin examining the possibilities of establish-ing a business there. These years it was extremelydifficult to get hold of bueiness premises, as weAlas it was very diffioult to be allowed to start abusiness. In concequence of all theas things thewhole care protracted to the outbreak cf this var.

After his dismission from the SD thesubject was transferred to 18. SS-Stand& te inKbnigsberg. As he could not serve at the front onacleount of an operation on his knee, the subjectwas invited by 18. SS-Statdarte shortly after theoutbreak of the war to work for another SS-Mlenstelle.in order in this way to get man free for serviceat the front in this way. In order not to stay inUnigsberg during the whole war the subject moved toBerlin. In Berlin the sublect entered into connectionwith the Auslandnachrichtendienstelle der SS throughsome friend, and he was employed there and was tobegin his work on Deceml,er 1, 1939.

In the A.N.. the subject worked till-M

Di in the general registration and "Aktenhaltung".

After the deoentralization of the "Aktenhaltung" inJanuary 1942 the subject cams to the group VI, wherehe likewise took charge of the registration and the"Aktenhaltung". Thin work he performed till November1944, when he was transferred to Denmark.

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ichriehtendienst was eatablishod in the Summerof 1938. It was per*'nsly attanhed tc. the Reich-sioherheitsatt under the neme of Amt V/ but wad;economically independent ; as the money necessarywas planed at its disposal directly from the Illeioh-Bconomiministerium". Likewise the A=7, VI was independ-ent as to its wok, as the reprte immediately aftertheir receipt were handed to B1-:entrop ; 88- Reich-Miser and Minister f7r Tereign Affairs, tc thestrategic l Amt 3 , and to the .-ther office! which mightbe in question. The fixed head of the t Amt VI wag88- OberfOhrer •aut,who was miry-added in 19 1 (1 or 1942by 88-Brigadd-fEhrer BOhellcazerg, the present heed.

The task.: within the A.N.D. lonsistedI&LA politioal .-econamic information irC4.1 varicuecountries. It depended ln t%u impoilance of thecontents, Whether the report at once was handed tothe minister for foreign af?airr;; tc the 88-Reiiinfah=w!or only to the foreign-offila. Ooneerning this 28•Brigadsfahrer Ochollenbsvg himself made most of thedecriviens.

The pvirldiaZ of pcdttiosa informeld ,..n took

117 in tIli 3Tg lis:;6114a=gtical listening toforeign hrceduastinge.

Tarcegh th-rough parusal cf the flreignpress : ‘speaially Iomministio andsocleei.stioal papers and prefurat,lyminor Dailise published in the czuntwvbringizu; actual mettoro. They g,t thep4pero ZZTIO the neutral ocuntriss.

3) Thrcerh agents and V-men in the variclioneutralcr.:untriee; but the aubjeatoannot 'ay, whc theca W-men we=e, andhow tba departments received the in-formation, as it wag the individualdepartmcGite whioh t‘ ck oars of thousmatters.

.ki17. The moults attained in this way were sifted4 worked through in tho various Mipartments andeither used as a report to the miniatriee in questionor collected in crcie: to be used later on in acmetotal report.

In order t carry thrcugh the tehnioalfr-c7FW-Within the departments the olassifioation wasmade sc,

A. Perueal as mentioned Adore.

B. The prcriding of the tasks, whichconsisted rf investigating and throughpraotioe interpreting the informationof political and ea:nude kind receivedfrom the various acentric's. Tosission o!?direot ocllaborritcre to the variousocentrise Delo:aged th this branoh.

In thin cdnn6)tica the subjer.tattention to the tarot that it was prohibited f.lrthe A.N.D. to work in the occupied countrise. Onlyif it was a subjcct f work directed against othercountriee they had the permissi.n. Italy had aepsoial pzeition as they were not slit:wed t< workthere according to a # fehrewhefahl i . This interclim.

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IA. A. tc tho propectti%n of the :sports in thewarirus mlnissrioe oop;oxal'4 in tto nasovaatigon Anitirit is wollkacwn to r:. that it vac rather negative. Tbismay bo duo to to rho foot that th.; Teralto wero Wixom'pccr tho first ye.re, oe cull am ia t:qe 2AuswortigenAt they were cr cpinicn that ray Vie people iadiplomatic, eervile aro ahlo to tors an opinion abouta country, Another rceocn for Law negotivo pwepprationof an obSeotive soport wan the epot that at rompcnothloplaaea the-, only paid ottcattot sc tr.* mattoxo pc-.!Italie fer toe IRsiot v . ..ho auhloot roccahors that ia2943 tozva Wa0 & wide-ranging report on tWi oopaoitycf the produoticn cf row-avatcrialo In U.S.A. ThisMort sada oloar already at tC.,...t timo phot in opttcof the favoiretIo wor-situati‘r 1943 Gorrany oculd notoOmpet: with the Amorloan -rma7..znt. Vhis rapt:s IMOregardod as too pcooimeotio by almoot all .to Ulatootrio „„,and °Dionstel:o0 in quosticr..

i1 • nut this 000m—tion with Plat 711, tag f.:Iaba2eul

eol knows for certain taat they bad no dirootool f ahoraters la Luland c.: BOLA. Uolther bcforo nom (5'7 ^4.•during the wsr. It le woll ?mom to tim them thew tadcollatoratr:rs in iouth amor%ott, altht4c. to d000 not Cknow Viols =Ole Ito information fcom'Sputa Anorioa

oasis partl ,f by radio partly ty cowries'.

' 14LIt order to be allo to perform the obovo 4 i.-%-montionod praotioal &ad toohnioal work c Amt VI II woodivided up into vartouo groups and IRoforatr e in the 1.•following way, ri: .

145. Group VIA - Vorwaltang. Road, SS-Standarton-ror

,Dr. sARDURGER

Referat VI A 1 -VI A 2 - Caoh-ftforat - bead 7

• VI A 3 - Por•o:Inc/1 - Bofors% Houd,

SS- Starabannedbror Buobmann,

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VI A 5 - Jou:nor- Roferat (Provioion ofdriving lloonoes, TUG, and Polio.-ports, Road

BS Heupteturmeubror GEPPERT.

In this group all r vorwaltungomAsigoe potitionowere pr4arod lholudAng tho decieion of financialend poreonal mattors witttn the 'Ault VI' as wellas srocia1 I VJrwaltungsmAssiW mattors.

16. Group VI B - Tbo foroign group '. Rood,

SS-E:andartenfebrcr Steimlo.

Refsrot VI B 1 Rolland and Bulgium. Road,

SS-Houptsturmftbror Ahrens.

• VI B 2 - Franco. Read 7

• V/ B 3 - Switzerland. Head, BO-Btura-

bannfehror Dr. Rano:-

Worst V7 3 4 - Spain and Portugal, Head,

SP-Steaw.bst.ifIn:41 Ubeig.

The Relent of VI and th.t of VI 3 2 wets onlyal&-Referate in order to be able to work in neutraland balligeront Gauntries through these oountrios forso 00 oup 1 od eouutrivs they did net ecnoorn the A.N.D.itsolf.

4 17. Group VI 0 - LIndergr1ppL4 head,

S9-8taulazt4narror Dr.

Roferay VI 0 1 - Rusts - Head,

SS-Sturnhann!Chz4r D. Heegelatupt.

VI 0 2 - Irksy - Heed,

SS-Sturmfahrer Sdauhazok,

• TIC 3 - Japan - R:ad ?

e V7 0 4- Boas &Let Road,

SS-Sturmhannithror Leo.

tiftiate has possibly bison wrongly stated br the subj ea

is poseible that there also axe other sub-orgleniaatione=40of Whioh he does w:t knew the Individual ones. Car It

as he is not quite famil!ar with this, as well as 't • 4.1

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The organization of the ahoww;.mentioucd

IY:0in. Group 47 D - Ueda:puma - Head,LangSEI-Gh.a s tarsbanntahr es Dr. PAffgen,

Referat VI D 1 •• %AA, - -85-Stirmbannfdirer Gress. affSPAT

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•--a7";!f:sg• VI D 3 - Sweden and )inland - Head, EZtrAyi,i,a

SS-Sturntannfdhr sr Passings', 8R°P-VMLIfirj

• VI D 4 Riddle- and South America Road

CS . Sturnhennf'uhrer Gross Can)i20, Oroup V7 andergruppo - Head,1611U

=11PS-Sturuhannfdhrer Vannek.

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VI 2 2 - Hengary - Head,

6S-Sturnhannfdhr r Har,oks

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Referat VI IC 3 - Halguri4- Read 1VX 3 4 - Baumania - Road IVI E 5 — Groatio- Road71 ic 6 — S1i Head

The euhjeut does not :•1;!7, :as mamas of tho varfoueReads as the group hnd Ita Ditteta.ae in Vienna on aoocumtOf its kind of morh.

Group VI F - Toohniwil group

EJ-St.::;mLatator D8rner.,

This group Me ooaupicd with tolegraph-trainimg co.tThe subplot Only knows ES . Etz7thanr.fahrer Luesig from thingroup. He cannot state ut.jr cf this greup as It wesituated in lanneee,

Group VI G Euoaotioal etatietioe- Heed,

05-8turmennz'iihrOs Bohindovski.

This group was started in the Bummer of 1944vNo furthor information available.

Group VI El - Houd -

28-Starmhunze7hoor Ochmied.

This grotp we to try making contacts for theGroan Economy, whioh wars pruoticublo for en Intolligonoo-work In this group EIO-Raupteturmonhrer von Nordhsim workedtoo.

Group VI- Eult, - Head:SO-Standertenfthrer Dr, Sandberger,

For this group the same things within oulturallimita were in force as for group VI-Wi. In this groupReferat-leader SE-Sturmbooutfthrer Carstens Llso worked.

25,. Group VI-Gesohdfteetelle- Head?

All mails went through this group. The letter-registration and the "Dieneverwaltung were combined in thisgroup. The leader of the letter-registration was SS-Unter-sturmfthrer Leppert. OS-Hauptstlumnfdhrer Raschdorf was theretoo.

WORK INDENEAHE. In November 1944 the subject was ordered to go to

Denirark to eucoeed SO-Sturmbannithrer Helmuth Daufeldt, whowas to he sent to the front,

The eubjeot f s task was the same as that of Dauteldtat his transfer from Berlin to Denmark. In Denmark they wereto find possibilities of utilizing the Intelligeuoe-Oontactsin ose of an invasion from England or America into Denmark.In Germany they were specially interested in the increasingCommunistic movement in England and the difficulties arisingfrom this in the collaboration between England and Amcrioaon one side and Russia on the other. To perform this taskDaufeldt had tried to get into conneotion with f.mes, whoseminds were anti-Oummuniatio and not anti-Gormun. Fhen the

eubjeot arrived in Denmark in Hoveaber 1944, Mauteldt hadalready oontaoted various persona, of whom he was of opinion

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that they might be used for tte work, if an invaaionwas to take place,

3 28.. DaufeJdt infomei the su.,jeot uf theseedias. They were

Hans Holzer:loan, Gac

Palle Nielson

Tags Nielsen

Georg Losa1

Otto n:41 Petersen iindbars

Willy ismuoEen

Gretha Aomussen

Eigil Schlander

Paul 7. Meyer

Alfred Johnsen

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Raving been informed of these persona the subje't aaalletwas aware that in case of an invasion most of them would laydown work, as they had no sufficient politi .al. knowledg-or interest of it. To this wau added that the individual CMOSSMibpersons in aocordanoe with Berlin had not been thoroughlyinformed of their tacks, cs long ao this was not irresiatiblY LAMnecessary. It was roughly well-known to the indtviduala thatat a certain point of time, which was not fixed, but was co IMMIXappear, they would have to make armi-Communistio observationsin the direction of England and U,S.A. for Germany. The

whole military situation ou the eactern cad weatern theatres mungmof war in Europe, huweter, proved that at the end of 1944 --,arteaqan invasion of Denmark by English troops wae not in question, MawmdjTo-this was added that in case of an inVa91011 of Denmark amammwathe Northern spaoe including the Baltic end the North Seawas completely unoovered, Germany herself would either be • rgiWstrong enough to defend theut territoriee satiefacrtorlly, mosatiLWAand the whole situation in the case of an invcaion of Donmartwould no doubt have meant the defeat of Germany. In thebeginning of 1945 there was no more doubt that Germany hadlost the war, if not in tho last minute a politioal change

Nal"agoamong the Allied powera would appear. On account of theseconsiderations the subject thought it useless to urge on the 41:001/13tasks in the Danish spaai, Tc the Dienstelle in Berlin thisstagnation did not look strange, as the Dienstolle couldnot survay all the groups on account of the evacuation at 41:11:21the end of 1944. The subject could without truth statethat at that time it w-s quite impose:031c to get new colla-borators.

The sutjeot otatee that he had his flrot officeat kyrupsgade 5 "Boshandlernos Hue' - until the "Shellhuae!;,,was bombed in March 1945, whereafter he moved to Set.knnmPlads. He says that Daufeldt had had a seoretary named ErioaGephardt, and she was also the secretary of-the subjnot. Thsubjeot oannot say, where she is living now.

HANS HOLZER-MANN. . 30. The subject was introdueed to Heiserman by

taaildt in Deoember 1944. Holzermawi had his offioe at 8Remmernagads. He has been roughly informed of the work.However, he had not given his approval to the work, but thesubject got the impression that he was willing to colleha.:ate.

The subject thinks that Holzermann only seemed so, becausehe was afraid of being expelled by the German authoritiesit not,

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14,14. In November 1944 MU RAM a German, who is nra.end of the subject's started a-business Galled

A/8 Kunst og Haanchanic in Ostergads. A oompany of share-holders was established the main-shareholder of whichwas NIGER GRAUBALIN. As Rabe apparently did not trust

Orsuballo blindly, he approached Deafelit, the predecessorof the subject, and aaked him, if he knew a reliable man,who might be the manager of the firm. In ooneaquena.of this Daufeldt introduced Rabe to P4ZI.1 , ashe had made another plan. Ho intended to use thisbusiness (Kunst og Haandvtx-k) by means of Pall. Nieleenas a meeting-place, where the collaborators were toreport to Palle Nielson, who was to be the leaderaccording to this plan. The subject, however, informedDaufeldt that a business of that kind would not at all It.1/1121be fit for the purpose, as it would be suspicious that

grlaticalways the same persons visited Palle Nielsen al cus-tomize. Therefore the subject completely gave up this

C:=plan,151. The subject ha had nothing to do with ^A/8 CarMog Naandverk" for business-reasons. He has oftenasked Palls Nielsen, it the business prospered, as it 16624had his personal interest, because he knew Rabe and wasintones& by him that the tarn-over was not as large as ammlaexpected.

inta•1Panther it is well own to the subject thatha Nielsen

known has told Rabe that Holger Grauballe was

dishonest and that not all thementr: given by Rabe to:-the hs.O.nesi was used for it. In April 1945 Palle Niel.. 12,1e,,Hur,17,ettiBen informed the subjeot that the oircumetenoes of the

VTOWCbusiness were catastrophic, and he asked him to pointout to Rabe that he had to come to Denmark. On socountof the state of matters in Genumay, however, it was im, • ::::05possible for Rabe to leave the oountry and go to Denmark.At the end of April 1945 Grauballe expressed to PalleNielsen that he intended to sell the madness and forthe sale'e.sum he would buy a share in a peat-bog. *MOWN

The subject has had several conversations orgioFalls Nielsen, in Which they talked about the busi- •nese, but the eubjeot took the opportunity of askingPalle Nielsen of various Danish matters. The subjectstates that he has never informed Palle Nielsen of his gt:g;:kwork in this country, but the latter must know it fromtheir oonversations.- •

The subject states that Tags Nielsen hadIiiig enlisted by Daufeldt and that he was trained ata telegraph-school in Germany, the subject does notknow where. Despite Nielsen being a , professional ooncer-ning radio he was a bad telegraph. • The subject has •talked with Nielsen a few times, and he got the im-pression that Nielsen was not quite it for the work.The subject states that he has paid a total amount of2000 Kr. to Nielsen, and Daufeldt. had instituted andpaid n radio..workshop for Nielsen,• -

61 The subject states that possibly in DeoemberI9K1 he visited Aalborg together with Daufeldt, where hewas introduced to loosen. In 1944 Inseam had been trainsas a telegrapher in Berlin, and at his home in 8yrenvejAalborg, a wireless -tranemitter had been installed. Iniebruary 1945 the subject clone visited Larsen in AO,berg. Their conversations were very short and mainly •concerned the wireless-connection and personal affairs.

Lessen had been Informed of the task by Danfeldt.Vitae of an invasion he woe so take up wireless-oonnec-

. tied with Berlin. The subject states the t in February onhis latest vieit he and laecon agreed upon a watch-wordp"Jog kommer fra Veaterled", so that if a man came to Lao••sea with this watch-word, he night have • onfidence in him.The (abject intended to inotall Zoceen as a telegraphistin Oopanhagen, as he had 20 practical value in Aalborg,as there were no collaborators there. Lassen got boo Xr.monthLy, whioh the subject cent to OberoturmfOhrer Refft;the leader of the JD in Aanorc, who paid the sum tolideBOM4

9!ge IMPAIMPO0 • - •AZ, IINDABM01 Igii4 The tubjeot statee that Lindberg has been

aed as a telegraphist in Berlin. Lindberg WAS coca-

pied . at this training, when the subject arrived in Dan-mark. It was intended to install a wireless-transmitter/Or Lindberg in Oopenhagen, but it was not done, as Lind-berg had not finished his training until the end of Beret,1915, and as the military situation in April 1945 madeulcer that collapse of Germany was to be expected withina okort lime. Oonsequently a wireless-transmitter in Co-penhagen would be superfluous.- •

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his return. The subject has had 2 or 3 talks with Lind-berg, end the talks turned upon the installation of awirelees-transmitter. The subject made clear to Lindbergthat he intended to install a wireless-tranamitter, butthis eenld not be done, as it was intended to hire aWOOM somewhere for the installation of the transmitter,and he had not received the necessary funds from Berlin.

ialf., wbrg WelejnO:er:ag:datnIngse;:fagelin:Iefirmreturned it on May 1. or 2. 1945,

W/LLT ORMUZ - .ABW33lit tAti The acquaintance with the Aemussens began early

TrINoamber 1944 through :aufeldt, who had known them forrather a long time. For the time that followed the sub-jeot was together with the /Wauseone several times mostlyat their residence at 47 Willemoesgade. During their con-versations the sub jeot informed them of his work in thisoonntry tending to the fact that he was to engage people'is get information from England in case of an invasion.'Both Mr. 0110 Mrs. Asmussen were roughly speaking, willingto help the subject in his work. The mubjeot intended As-unseen to be the leader of the oollaborators in Copenhagen,but ham not explained this to him, The 'abject was ofopinion that Asmussen would be willing to take ohargaOf suoh a task,• .

110" =LAMM 1_41 The first timo the subject met johlandsr. was •LB Droember ir

withd together with Daufeldt at the "Ambasenden.1

Until Mhy 1945 the subject has talked th &blander about8 times. Soh ender has visited the subjact 2 or 3 timesat his hotel.room and had ooffee with him.-- •Meal The subject has not told Sohlander of his task

ark thinking that Bohlender had no political otti-tude Or political interest after all, but that he onlywanted to lead a pleasant life beside his work. The =b-leat states that the meeting with Bohlender developedinto meeting* of a purely private oharnoter, and that he

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got olgarettes from dohlander in rvturn of whioh he hadto give him "real" ooffea. The subjeot thinks that Dau..foldt had not either talked to 8ohlander of a possibletask in Denmark, as Daufeldt has expressed to the rubjeotthat 3ohlander was not fit for things like these, but heregarded him as a benign fellow, with whom it was amusingto be together.

The subjeot had been introduced to Poul W.MayerWy-Muieldt in Deoember 1944 at the "Rafnia". A000rdingto the subjeot's opinion Meyer had already at that timebeen informed by Daufeldt of the task. The following timethe subjeot often assooiated with Meyer, possibly about12 times. The bulk of the talks turned upon the queetion.how to get Meyer work in Copenhagen, as he was unemployed.Now and then Meyer got some money from the eubjeot, whothinks that Meyer has got a total amount of about 25oo Kr.

hike work and on various meetings he has talked to himThe subjeot is of opinion that Meyer was twain'

of his task, thus Meyer was informed of it and ready forcollaboration.6 46 . During the time just before the Capitulation

aotion with Meyer was muoh deers:wed as he was a tag)'Bleak Market"-man and very busy.AZPRED-JOHMEN, - LEW

latifilborg in December 194 the subject was introduoedAARHUS: Johnsen had a fish-shop in Aarhus. On a trip

to him by Daufeldt. Johnsen was pointed out as a oolla- e".7f•Vc"Iborator by Daufeldt. On another trip to Aalborg lateron,the subject visited Johnsen onoe more, but the sub.jeot claims that he has not talked to (ohne= of hisHe

.has not got arvg- money from the subjeot and has notwork in Denmark, as the subject regarded him as uselessgiven any information to the subjeot.

KNOWIEDCH-OP ;:lgRHHOLMOIST: 40. The subject states that one day probably inIrfi1,1945 Holmquist oame to the subject at the "Palace sei:g:Hotel", where he wanted to sell a suit-length of cloth.The subject /dates that Holmquist enly spoke Danish, andtherefore Mrs. dpeokin, the eubjeot's seoretax7, was usedas an interpreter. The subject bought some of the slothfor delivery some days later. When Holmquist returned maddelivered the cloth, he told him during the conversation lugawith Mrs. 3peokin as an interpreter that he was dealingat the Bleak Market with goods, whioh he bought in 8wedening:21and sold in Denmark. The subjeet at onoe became interests •in the cage and let Mrs. dpeokin investigate Holmquistmore olosely of this. Consequently he was informed that -Holmquist and another person had a boat sailing on 3weden.The subjeot states that from Berlin he had earlier beanordered to establish a courier-poet via 3weden, and nowhe had an opportanity of asking Holmquist, if he was wil-ling to take some letters with him, when 000asionally hewent to Sweden.

The eubjeot states °omen:ins this matter thatied to inform Berlin of this, but at that time of the

war it was impossible to get oonneotion with Berlin, andthen the agreement was of no importance.

POUL W. MEYER:

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sendthat

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letters,not

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theywere only ordered to establish the connection. He thinksthat he was to get the letters from Berlin, where theexact address thee was to be stated. Probably some dayslater the subject was visited by a Gorman named Bergeror Weber from Amt Vi in Berlin with an order of going tcSweden, and then the subject happened to think of Holm-quist, whom he informed of the ease later en.

Ifelt about April when :g:ksituation in itself was aoute. The subject states thathe does not know, what the person mentioned had to do inSweden. The subject says that thereafter he did not eon..tact Holmquist until Mny 4. or 5. 1945, when he wee askedto help the subject in fleeing to Germany, but the

wee or Weber returned to German7 on Hay

sub

2.oned

.jeotentis arrested by the Resistoe Movement. The above Ifirm

t.:.,%.\TL73

or 3. 1945.ilM51

1.54 The subject states that from Samburg he knows UVer.)- •r, ooh, a business-mnn, who dealt with hemp yarn. The

subject was introduced to Dr. Keel in December 1944 orJanuary 1945, when they dined together at "Palace Hotel".They dined there together with Rasmussen, motorwcar den-ier, and the latter o wife. The subject states that Rabehad earlier asked him, it he wls able to provide diamondsfor teohnioal use, as there was a want ler them in Ger-many and any prioe might be obtained. They talked of thefeet that they oould make muoh money on diamond' whichmight at any rata, be bought in Sweden. At the dinnermentioned the wabject touohed the theme to Rasmussen, butit came to nothing.

Rasmussen and that it was through Dr. Each. TheThe subject states that it was the first time

sub jeot knows that Rasmueeen was German-minded and marriedto a German. Probably a fortnight after the dinner-partythe eubjeot happened to meet Rasmussen in the street.Reemaseen told the enbjeot that he knew a man who wasgoing to Sweden and who might have an opportunity ofbuying teohnioal dinmonds. further Rasmussen stated thotthere WAS a tennis-trainer named Thalbitser, who knewmany persons in Sweden and had fine oonnectione a.o. tothe Royal Family, and they agreed to meet eachether thenext day at the llovedbaneganrdens Restaurant".• •

Sere the subject was introduced to Thalbitser,as informed of the case, and he declared himself

willing to go into the possibilities of buying industrialdiamonds in Sweden, their price and quantities.

15.Duringwas a man he eould use in his work, and heDuring the oonvereation the subJeot found out

asked Theibitzer to help him in examining various politioalmatters eoneerning Ragland, when he came to Sweden. Interon the mubjeot was together with Thalbitser 3 times, andthe latter got a list of questions, whieh the eubjeotwanted to have answered, suoh as the following ones: Howis the political attitude in England as to the result ofthe war? What is known as to the situation Do:learningnouriehmtnt in England? What do people in England think ofthe Coamunietio danger, and how do they think to overoomeIt?

1_561._ The sal:Ow:it gays thlt he bad reoeived l000IE-Wfdish note. from Berlin, *Mob Thalbitser receivedfor the journey. Thnibitser had enforood that in order tosolve the various problemm, he would have to use a greatdenl of money on various poisons in Sweden, and he wantedto have the money refunded. Thus he received the l000 Zr.and on hie return Thalbitser would have to settle accounts,but Thnlbitser never went.

REZATTOBS TO --JOHONE BFEMINti_57. The rabjeot met :Aro. 3peokin in December 2944

El-The "Frascati" (reetnurant),.where they happened tosit beside eaohother. loiter on the subjeot met her sometimes nnd they beonme grunt frionda. Thereafter they star-ted living together, until they both were arrested. Therabjeot states that - Mrs. dpeokin has no intimate knowledgeof his work in Denmark, as he never told her about it. Sheknew that he worked against the qommunists, but besidesshe knows nothing of the subjeot's various toska, of whiohhe wanted to keep her outside. The subjeot has consideredthe relations between Mrs. Jpeokin and himself a privateaffair, and he intended to marry bur.

WAGES:- - - • CPlillgicei,(1115 sublect got his Ives directly from Berlin,

he had 27.000 g gi we=l4allor representationr:::ntntio sa- •see. Hu gat the money paid out as follows, 21,00o in Do.rush ii. and the rest in 3wiss-frenos. The subjeot states CVOthat it was Daufeldt who had arranged that some of the pa-went took place in dwiss-franos. The subjeot used most of Imm-21114the Bwiss-franos to buy ooffee do. at the Bleak Market in Ar,arl

He says that evuty third month he settled a000untsGermany.

oonserning his representation expenses with Berlin, thus

anses inoluded among..

manner

other tesuahe had 27000 as cash oapital every third. month.

• The repreoufftation expinge also hishotel-stay in Denmark amounting to ld.00t

r:Mag.Kr. per day

Speokinplus the

. The lunches and

useddinners

the following had togethertogether

with of proceeding: shun for instance he dined with Bablander,he paid half the bill, but sent it to Berlin and got the

atz.21whole amount refunded.

He had no further instruotions oonoezning thequestion, bow muoh he had to pay his agents. This vine W-V-hmtleft to himself a000rding to his cwn judgement end theoircumstances,•

CONCLUMONt During the interrogation the sub:eot has beenLfl1ng to give information of the "Amt VI" and of his

own activity. His work in Denmark had almost no results, •as the situation was oritionl for the Germans at that time.Be was aware that most of the collaborators enlisted byDaufeldt, were quite useless, and he has taken his workvery easily.

-RETOMMEIDATIO11110 It is my impression that the subjeot oannot gite

her evidence for whioh reason ha is of no more interestto this oentre, but that as n German he ought to be trans.famed to another authority as soon as possible.

(signed) 7. faohariassen.X.T.