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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA (CAJ:>E 0]' GOOD HOPE PROVINCIAL DIVISION)

Case No . KS 57/79

THE STATE VERSUS:

BE],ORE:

FOR STATE:

FOR DEFENCE:

CHARGES:

PLEAS:

CONTRACTORS:

Cape Town, 10 March 1980

BHEKIZITHA OLIVER NQUBELANI

THE HONOURABLE MR. JUSTICE HOWARD

l'1R. F. KAHN

MR. I. MOHAMED, SC with him l'-1R. C. R. l'-lEILER

AS PER CHARGE SHEET

AS PER RECORD

LUBBE RECORDINGS

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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA (CAPE OF GOOD HOPE PROVINCIAL DIVISION)

ABRAHAM JACOBUS LATEGAN, Esquire, Attorney

General of the Province of the Cape of Good

Hope, who proseuctes in the name of and on

behalf of the State, presents and gives the

Court to be informed

THAT

BHEKIZITHA OLIVER NQUBELANI

(hereinafter referred to as the accused) is guilty of the

crimes of

PARTICIPATION IN TERRORISTIC ACTIVITIES

by contravening section 2(1)(a) read with sections 1, 2(2),

4, 5 and 9 of Act No. 83 of 1967 as amended

and/or

by contravening section 2(1)(b) read with sections

4, 5 and 9 of Act No. 83 of 1967 as amended

and/or

by contravening section 2(1)(c) read with sections

4, 5 and 9 of Act No. 83 of 1967 as amended.

ALTERNATIVELY:

ATTEMPTED MURDER

1, 2(2),

1, 2(2),

WHEREAS upon or about the dates and/or during the periods

set out in Column 1 of Schedule A hereto attached and at or

near the places set out in Column 2 of Schedule A, the said

accused did wrongfully, unlawfully and with the intent to

endanger the maintenance of law and order in the Republic,

or any portion thereof, commit or attempt to commit the acts

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set out in Column 3 of Schedule A, or anyone thereof, and/or (30

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did conspire with any person or persons to the State unknown

to aid or procure the commission of, or to commit the said

acts, and/or to aid or procure the said person or persons to

the State unknown to commit the said acts , or anyone thereof.

NOW THEREFORE the accused is guilty of contravening section

2(1)(a) of Act 83 of 1967 as amended,

and/or

WHEREAS during or about the periods set out in Column 1 of

Schedule B hereto attached and at or near the countries set

out in Column 2 of Schedule B, the Cape of Good Hope Provin- (10

cial Division of the Supreme Court having jurisdiction by

virtue of the provisions of section 4(1) of Act 83 of 1967 as

amended, the accused did wrongfully and unlawfully undergo

training which could be of use to any person intending to en­

danger the maintenance of law and order in the Republic , or

any portion thereof.

NOW THEREFORE the accused is guilty of contravening section

2(1)(b) of Act 83 of 1967 as amended,

and/or

WHEREAS during or about the period June - 1978 to 16 May 1979 (20

and at or near Mfuleni in the district Kuils River, and/or

elsewhere, the accused did wrongfully and unlawfully possess

explosives, a firearm and ammunition, to wit

10 blocks of explosives weighing 200 gm each,

One 9 mm automatic Makarov pistol,

2 Magazines for use in the pistol aforementioned,

each containing eight rounds of 9 mm cartridges.

NOW THEREFORE the accused is guilty of contravening section

2(1)(c) of Act 83 of 1967 as amended. (30

ALTERNATIVELY:

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ALTERNATIVELY :

IN THAT on or about 15 May 1979 and at or near Cape Town

in the district of The Cape the accused did unlawfully and

intentionally attempt to kill members of the public and/or

court officials and/or civil servants and/or persons to the

State unknown by setting a bomb composed of and/or manufac-

tured from explosives connected to an ignition device in such

a manner that the said bomb would, after a certain period of

time, exp~ode, the said bomb having been set in a cloakroom

of the Supreme Court Building, which room was at all relevant

times accessible to the abovementioned persons, and which room (10

adjoins to sections of the Supreme Court Building which were

occupied by the abovementioned persons.

Wherefore, upon due proof and conviction

thereof, th e said Attorney General prays

the Court to sentence the accused according

to Law.

(sgd) A.J! LATEGAN

ATTORNEY GENERAL OF Tllli PROVINCE

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COLUMN 1 (DATE/PERIOD

Act No 1 June 1978

Act No 2 15 June 1978

Act No.3 9 - 12 April 1979

Act No 4 28 April 1979

COLUMN 2 (PLACE)

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SCHEDULE A

At or near Zeerust in the district of Zeerust

Cape Town in the district of The Cape

and/or Mfuleni in the district of Kuils River

Cape Town in the district of The Cape

and/or Ramatlabama in the district of Mafeking

Ramatlabama in the district of 11afeking

COLUIili 3 (ACT)

Enter the ~cpublic from Botswan. armed with a N~karov pistol and ammunition, with intent to endanger tlle maintenance of law and order in the Republic or any portion thereof, the exact manner in which the accused aimed at bringing this about being un­known, but i nte r alia by establishing hi s personal safety and a p l ace of abode whence terroristic activities could be undertaken. (10

Arrive in Cape Town and settle in a hostel at Mfuleni with the intent and i n realisation of his objects as set out in Act No.1 of thi s Schedule.

Depart from Cape Town and leave the Republic at Ramatlabama border-post to undergo the second period of training referred to in Schedule B, and with the ob­ject of obtaining and con­veying to the Republic ex­plosives and/or such auxiliary materials as might be necessary to manufacture bombs therefrom.

Enter the Republic from (2 Botswana equipped with ex­plosives and such auxiliary materials as were necessary to manufacture bombs there­from, with the intent to endanger the maintenance of law and order in the Republic or any portion thereof, to wit by exploding the said bombs in certain public build­ings and/or other places, and/ or by the execution of certain other acts, the precise nature of which are unknown to the State. (30

Act No 5/ ..•

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Act No 5 8 - 11 May 1979

Act No 6 14 - 15 May 1979

Act No 7 15 May 1979

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Mfuleni in the district of Kuils River

and Cape Town in the district of The Cape

Cape Town in the district of The Cape

Visit the Supreme Court to carry out reconnai s sance of the building so as to prepare for the settine of a bomb con­taining explo s ive s in the said building.

Manufacture a bomb from ex­plosives , to wit 5 blocks of explosives wei ghing 200 gm each, with the object of ex­ploding the bomb in the Supreme Court Building and/or any other public place or bu ilding.

Connect the bomb as manufac­tured in Act No 6 above to an ignition device in order that the said bomb would explode after a period of time, a nd place the said bomb so connected in a cloakroom of the Supreme (l( Court Building , which room was at al l relevant times accessible to members of the public and/or court official s and/or civil servants and/or persons to the btate unknown, and which room adjoins sections of the Supreme Court Building which were occupied by the abovementioned persons.

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COLUMN 1 (DATE/PERIOD)

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SCHEDULE B

FIRST PERIOD OF TRAINING:

25 January 1978 - June 1978

SECOND PERIOD OF THAINING:

12 - 28 April 1979

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COLUMN 2 (COUNTRIES ~JHEllli TRAINED)

Botswana and/or Angola

Botswana

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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF SOUTH AFRICA

(CAPE OF GOOD HOPE PROVINCIAL DIVISION)

CASE NO. KS.57/79 4th March, 1980

THE S TAT E

versus

BHEKIZITHA OLIVER NQUBELANI

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the prescribed oath.

MR. K~N: May it please the Court, I appear on behalf of the

State, together with my learned friend Mr. Pretorius.

MR. MOHAMED:'" May it please the Court, I appear for the

accused, together with my learned friend Mr. Mailer.

MR. KAHN: M'Lord, the defence has requested a postponement

until tomorrow for further consultation. The State has no

objection to this request.

COURT: Very well, under those circumstances the trial will (10

stand adjourned until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

THE COURT ADJOURNS UNTIL TOMORROW MORNING, THE 5th MARCH,

1980.

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ON THE 5th MARCH, 1980, THE COURT RESUMES.

MR. KAHN: M'Lord, before we proceed I wish to hand in an

authority in terms of Section 8 of the Terrorism Act of 1967

(Act 83 of 1967). I would like to number this EXHIBIT X.

I am informed by my learned friend that it is unnecessary

to put the charges to the accused

MR. MOHAMED : That is so, m'Lord. The accused has read the

indictment , it has been explained to him, he understands it

and he understands it import •

COURT: When you refer to the indictment I take it you are

referring to the ••••• (MR. MOHAMED INTERVENES)

MR. MOHMflED: Together with the substantial summary of facts.

COURT: Are you referring to the indictment which was handed

to me this morning, or the one which was originally ••• (MR.

MOHAMED INTERVENES)

MR. MOHAMED: That is the new one.

COURT: Is it by consent that the new indictment, that is

the one signed by Mr. Rothwell, is substituted for the

original one?

MR. MOHAMED: That is so.

COURT: And you say that the accused has had that indictment

explained to him, the new one, understands it and is in a

position to plead?

MR. MOHAMED: That is so, m'Lord.

COURT: And what is the plea?

MR. MOHAMED: On count 1, the main count, the plea is guilty.

Count 2, guilty. Count 3, guilty. Count 4, not guilty.

COURT: What language does the accused speak?

MR. MOHAMED : English, mtLord.

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COURT (to accused): You have heard what your counsel has

said. Do you confirm the plea of guilty on the main c oun t

(count 1 )? -- Yes, that is correct. I plead guilty on count 1 •

And on count 2? - I plead guilty on count 2 as well

And on count 3 as well? - And on count 3 as well.

And on count 4, do you confirm that your plea is not

guilty? -- That is in accordance with my instructions.

Very well, then you may be seated. Yes, Mr. Kahn?

lillie KAHN: M'Lord, I ask the Court not to find the accused

guilty at this stage in terms of Section 112 (1) (b) • . In

terms of this aection where a sentence of death is envisaged,

briefly, the guilt of the accused has to be proved as though

he had pleaded not guilty. In terms 'of this section the

State wishes to prove this case as though the accused has

pleaded not guilty. I accordingly ask the Court not to find

the accused guilty at this stage.

~m. MOHAMED: M'Lord, the attitude of the accused is, and

the defence is that they want to make a full disclosure and

give your Lordship a full picture of the accused's reaction

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to the allegations made in the indictment, and for this (20

purpose I beg to hand in to your Lordship and the gentlemen

assessors a statement in terms of Section 112(1)(b), which I

now formally do, and will then draw your Lordship's attention

to the material portions thereof.

COURT: Mr. Kahn, inasmuch as evidence has to be led, may I

ask whether arrangements have been ma.de for a running trans­

cript of the evidence?

(DISCUSSION BETWEEN MR. KAHN AND COURT ON THIS ASPECT)

MR. MOHAl-nED : M'Lord, I would briefly read the statement.

My learned friend has been furnished with a copy of the (30

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I3tatement. In terms of Section 112(1)(b) this is the state-

ment of the accused, it is signed in the origina.1:, the

signatures do not appear on the copies. MtLord, on behalf

of the accused the following admissions are made. Firstly,

~n regard to Count 1, it is admitted that the accused

pefformed the following acts: During June, 1978, he entered

the Republic from Botswana armed with a Makrov pistol and

smmuni ti on. He intended, inter alia, to establish his

~ersonal safety and place of abode. On or about the 15th

June, 1978, the accused arrived in Cape Town and settled in (10

k hostel at Mafuleni. During the period 9 - 12 April, 1979,

the accused departed from Cape Town and left the Republic

at Ramatlabama border post. The accused went to Botswana

where he received certain instructions from members of the

ANC. He also ob-Gained from members of that organisation

certain explosives and/or auxillia.ry materials and whioh were

for the manufacture of a bomb which were packed into a suit-

case with a false bottom. On or about the 28th April, 1979,

the accused entered the Republic from Botswana with the said

explosives and/or auxilliary materials necessary to manufact-(20

ure a bomb therefrom with the intention of endangering the

maintenance of law and order in the Republic or any portion

there of, name'ly, by exploding of a bomb in the Supreme Court

in Cape Town as his first target. Pursuant thereto he came

to Cape Town to stay at the Mafuleni Hostel at Blackheath.

During the period 8 - 11 May, 1979, the accused visited

the Supreme Court in Cape Town which was to be his first

target. The object of these visits was to reconnoitre the

building of the Supreme Court so as to prepare for the

setting of a bomb containing explosives in the said building.(30

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During the period 14 15 May, 1979, and at Mafuleni

in the district of Kuils River and Cape Town in the district

of the Cape , the accused manufactured a bomb from certain

explosives, namely, 5 blocks of explosives weighing 200 gms .

each. The object of manufacturing this bomb was to explode

the said bomb in the Supreme Court building.

On the 15th May, 1979, and at Cape Tovm the accused

connected the bomb as manufactured in the preceding sub­

parDc;raph to an ignition device in order that the said bomb

would explode after a period of time. The accused placed

the said bomb so connected in a claok room of the Supreme

Court building, which room was a.t all relevant times

accessible to members of the public, to court officials and

civil servants and other persons and which rooms adjoins

sections of the Supreme Court building which was occupied

by these persons at the relevant time.

By performing the acts referred to in paragraph A

above, the accused unlawfully contravened Section (2)(a) of

Act 83 of 1967 •

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With regard to Count 2, this is the count pertaining (20

to the undergoing of training which could be of use in

endangering the ma.intenance of law and order, it is admitted

in paragraph (a) that during the period 25 February, 1978,

to June, 1978, at Botswana an~or Angola the accysed underwent

military training. This training lasted from February to

June, 1978, and included training in the handling of explosives .

The training received by the accused could be of use to any

person intending to endanger the maintenance of law and order

in the Republic or any portion thereof.

(b) During the period 12 - 28 April, 1979 , the (30

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accused again received training in Botswana. This train-

ing consisted of receiving detailed instructions as to what

he should do upon his return to the Republic. The in­

structions were that he should take with him certain ex­

plosives and auxilliary materials necessary to manufacture

a bomb and he should thereafter reconnoitre the Supreme

Court and ple.ce a bomb in the building of the Supreme Court

as his first target.

On count 3 it is admitted that during the period June,

1978, to the 16th May, 1979, and at or near Mafuleni in the (10

di s t r ic t of Kuils River and other places the accused unlaw­

f ully possessed certain explosives of fire arms and

ammunition, namely, 10 blocks of explosives weighing 200 gms

each, 9mm Makrov automatic pistol, 2 magazines for use in the

Makrov pistol, each containing 8 rounds of 9mm cartridges.

On Count 4 it is admitted that during the period 16th

May , 1979, to 30th November, 1979, and at or near Pollsmoor

Prison in the district of Wynberg the accused wrote out a

letter in the terms set out in Annexure 'A', but he denies

that this act constitutes an offence.

MILord, not because we specifically do not want to

merely deal with the allegations made in the indictment, but

we also want to deal with the substantial summary of facts

end we also want to deal with other evidential material which

we lmow that the State wants to lead, we have a special

s ecti on "General" in regard to which the following admissions

ax c made : After placing the bomb referred to in paragraph

(a ) her eof, the accused left the Ci ty.

Before the bomb could explode a cleaner came across a

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brief case which contained the bomb , whereupon he took it to (30

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the foreman .

Moment before the bla.st the foreman rurnm~ed in the

C8.se in search of some identification of the owner, a hissing

noise came from the case which alarmed the foreman who

rushed for the door. Before the foreman could reach the door,

a loud blast occurred. The foreman received slight injuries.

These are all the exact words of the substantial summary of

facts.

As a result of the foreman rununaging in the brief case,

the bomb was put out of operation and the blast was caused by

the explosion Df the ignition device and detonator only. (10

The accused wa,s arrested on 16th May, 1979, whereafter

the automatic Makarov pistol, ammunition, certain additional

explosives and equipment to manufacture bombs were found

hidden in the accused's room at Mafuleni.

The accused's fingerprints were found on folio paper

and a cardboard folder which was found in the brief case

which was itself used so as to conceal the bomb; as well a,s

the clerk from the firm where he purchased the brief case •

The accused made a statement to a Magistrate on the . (20

17th May, 1979, which is annexed hereto marked 'B'.

The album of photographs prepared by the State is a

fair and accurate reproduction of the items referred to

therein and are correctly described in the key which has been

prepared to identify the said photographs.

The plans of the Supreme Court building prepared by

the State are correct and proper plans of the said building.

The points in the said plans identified in the key to the

said plans are correctly so identified.

Now, m'Lord, annexed to this statement which has been (30

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drafted with the object of giving to the Court the fullest

co-operation and assistance of the accused in re~ard to the

relevant facts which call to be determined, are two annexures.

The first is Annexure 'A' which is an English translation of

a letter, or document which the accused admits in count 4 as

having prepared, although he does not admit that in all the

circumstances the preparation thereof is an offence , in other

words, whether it constitutes incitement, aiding and

encouraging any particular person. The English translation

which is attached as Annexure 'A' and which will emerge was (10

found in one of the cells of the prison where the accused

was imprisoned. It says, simply:

"My friend I must sa,y, of you get a getaway, it does

not matter when, do get a way and cross the border

and go to these places, BOTSWANA or SWAZILAND or

LESOTHO. The easiest place to enter is LESOTHO

and SWAZILAND, join the ANC. I must say, when you

have entered, it is easy to get connections about

ANC people. Their addresses are hidden, but you

can get the ANC chaps by making enquiries from these (20

places.

Department of Home Affairs BOTSWANA.

Department of Home Affairs SWAZILAND.

Department of Home Affairs LESOTHO.

You see, many people make big mistakes. You see,

sometimes 8, person ects a e;etaway and still stay in

South Africa and the police catch him. When you

get a getaway, do get away there and then and be out

of South Africa . Even when the police get to know

perhaps that you are gone, if you are in SWAZILAND (30

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or LESOTHO, they cannot bring you back. There is

no law allowing them to fetch you from there at all.

They give up.

2.

Meet die ANC people, they will take and you for

training and you come back and fight if you want to

fight the Whites. You see, LESOTHO border is

much better, it is not strongly guarded as that of

BOTSWANA. SWAZILAND border is also better, but

the easiest border to cross is between LESOTHO and (10

HERSCHEL, or LESOTHO/MOUNT FLETCHER and ZULULAND/

SVTAZILAND • Try men, until when shall these White

dogs oppress us. Let us fi ght. You must quickly

read this letter and put it in the toilet so that

these warders ma,y never get it."

Anel. then there is a certifica.te by a sworn translator of the

Supreme Court tha.t this is an accurate translation.

And then, fina.lly, m 'Lord, there is a. confession, or a

statement made by the accused to a magistra.te. The contents

of this are not disputed, and in this statement the following(20

is said ••••

COURT: Is there any need to rea.d it out, Mr. Mohamed?

MR. MOHAMED: Well, simply for identification purpose, m'Lord.

I do not particularly have to read it out. The brunt of this

statement is simply that he has a certain educational back­

ground, that he went to certain neighbourine countries, that

he r eceived certain tra.ining and that his training expressly

incluued training in explosives; that he was expressly

instructed to and advised not to endane;er life; that he

accepted those instructions and agreed with the policy that (30

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wlatever acts he performed, he was not to unnecessarily take

life or endanger life and with that object he performed such

a.cts which were subjectively not intended to endanger life

and that pursuant to this campaign he , in fact, placed a

bomb in the Supreme Court which in all the circumstances

wa.s not designed to endanger life. He sets out in the

summary what precautions he adopted so that such a result

would not ensue. That is more or less the wording of the

statement . As your Lordship correctly said , with respect ,

it is not necessary to read the whole of it . (10

COURT : Natura~ly, the members of the Court will read it .

(FURTHER DISCUSSION BETWEEN COURT AND MR. MOHAMED ON ACCUSED 'S

STATEMENT)

!Ym. MOHAMED: The basic attitude of the accused is that these

facts are not in dispute, that he does not wish unnecessarily

to occupy the time of the Court, and my learned friend is

free to lead such evidence as he considers necessary for

the purposes of the Section, but he need not bother about

leading every formal evidence from the witnesses that he has,

nor does he have to worry particularly a.bout not putting (20

leading questions. In the light of these statements he

knows what the accused's attitude is.

COURT: Thank you, Mr. Mohamed.

MR. KhlIN: M'Lord, might we have it on record from Mr. Mohamed

to what extcnt he wishes the evidence to be interpreted to the

accused. This might save us some time.

MR. MOHAMED: MILord, I would have thought that it would be

quite sufficient if the interpreter is available to clear up

anything which the accused needs, but I will get formal

instructions from him during the tea adjournment . I under- (30

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stand that my learned friend's plan is now going to be to

invite the Court to have an inspection of the Court building.

:MR. KAI-IN: That is my plan, m'Lord. We have a plan of the

building which might be a bit confusing ex fa.cie the

documents. If your Lordship feels that it is unnecessary

I 13m in the hands of the Court. I thought we would call the

witness and then ••••• (COURT INTERVENES)

COURT: We consider it to be entirely unnecessary, Mr. Kahn,

tU1der the circumstances.

r,m . KAHN : We can go through the witness's evidence and

then consider ~he question after the. witness has given

evidence on the plan.

COURT: If it is a cloakroom I think tha.t I can imagine what

it looks like.

~m. KAHN : But there are various other points involved as

well, m'Lord.

COURT: In view of the admissions made by the accused I

consider it quite unnecessary to inspect anything.

THE COURT TAKES THE SHORT ADJOURNMENT.

ON RESm1l'TION: 11,40-a.m.

~m. MOHAMED: I have had the opportunity of discussing the

matter with my client. There is no need to have a formal

interpreter interpreting everything as far 8.S English is

concerned. If there is any particular phrase which is not

clcaT to him the interpreter is available.

COURT : Subject to that, he undcrstan~s Enelish.

T.TR . TlOHAMED : He understands Ent;lish and he wants to get on t

wi th it.

COURT: And how a.bout Afrik8.8ns? --MR. T,lOHMIIED: No, m'Lord, that may be a. problem.

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COURT: Then he will require interpretation?

IVIR. JmHM1ED : I understand that my learned friend will lead

most of his witnesses in English, so there is no real problem.

l im . KAHN: The plan draughtsman chooses to give his evidence

in Afrikaans, so we might have some delay there .

(COURT ESTABLISHES FROM THE INTERPRETER THAT HE WILL BE ABLE

TO IHTERPRET AFRIKAANS TO XHOZA AND VICE VERSA . )

D I r; S T A A T ROE P:

THEUNIS JOHANNES HANCKE: - (Verklaar onder eed):

Ol'IDERVR AGING DEUR I't'INR. KAHN:

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U is 'n speurder-adjudant-offisier in die Suid-Afrikaanse

Polisie gestasioneer te Kaapstad, en as sulks 'n amptelike

plantekcnaar en fotograaf? -- Dit is korrek.

Op die 15de, 17de en 18de Mei 1979 het u gegaan na

verskillende plekke waar sekere punte aan u deur verskillende

mense uitgewys is? - Dit is korrek.

Wie was hierdie mense? -- Luit. Visser, speurder-

konsto.bel Basson, speurder-adjudant-offisier Van Wyk en Len

Se.ralina.

As gevolg hiervan het u planne opgetrek en foto's

geneem , is dit korrek? -- Dit is korrek.

Die eerste plan wat u opgetrek het was 'n plan van

die Hooegeregshof? -- Dit is korrek.

Ek handig hierdie plan in as BEWYSSTUK A. U het ook

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sekere foto's geneem. Ek handig in die foto's as BEWYSSTUK B.

-- Dit is korrek.

En u het 'n sleutel opgestel wat ingehandig word as

BENYSSTUK C. - Dit is korrek.

Ons begin , mnr. Hancke, met BEWYSSTUK A, die plan van (30

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die Hooggeregshofgebou. Punt A, dit kom voor op BEVITSSTUK At

is die grondvloer. Op die regterkant van die plan sal geskryf

staan "Grond, 1ste en 2de vloer". Die reg onderste blad van

BEVlYSSTUK A daar staan ge skryf "Grondvloer" in rooi. Di t is

net die rigting dat u kan weet watter gedeelte van die plan

dit is. Punt A dui aan ingang vir publiek, Queen Victoria­

struo.t, op die grondvloer.

Voor u verder gaan. Die Hooggeregshofgebou is galee

tusscn twee strate, naamlik, Queen Victoriastraat by punt A

en dDn is dear Keeromstraat. -- Dit is korrek •

En die ~oofingang is in Keeromstraat, is dit korrek?

Dit is korrek .

Punt A is die agterste ingeng. -- Dit is korrek. B

dui aan kennisgewingsbord op grondvloer - dit kom voor op

BEINYSSTUK A.

Volgens u kennis word Hofrolle op hierdie kennisbord

gepluas? -- Dit is korrek.

Met ander woorde, hierdie rolle dui aan watter sake

in watter howe op watter dag gaan voorkom? -- Dit is korrek.

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Gaen asseblief voort. -- C dui aan waar na bewering (20

'n akteto.s neergesit is op muurtjie te 2de vloer soos dit

be'ueer is deur lui t. Visser. As u blaE.i na 2de vloer, di t

is die derde plan van onder af. D dui aan ingang na galery

Hof 3 , 2de vloer. Dit kom voor op BEV/YSSTUK A. E dui a.an

inganG na Hof 10, 2dc vloer. Die Hofnommer is ook by punt E t

Hof 10. Punt F dui aan bankie op [7'ondvloer. Ons gB.an na

die heel groot plan, onder. Die bankie is naby Keeromstraat

se kant . Punt G dui aan toilet wa.8.r aktete.s gevind is deur

Yusuf Pietersen, 8008 beweer is deur luit. Visser. Dit kom

voor op grondvloer BEWYSSTUK A. Di t is Vlat ele ingekleur (30

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het met pienk .

Voor u verder gaan . Hierdie toilet wat 'll; in pienk

aangedui het , dit is nie eintlik op die grondvloer nie en

dit is nie op die eerste vloer nie. -- Dit is korrek .

Dit is gelee tussen die twee vloere, is dit korrek?

Dit is korrek .

En die trappe wat aangedui Vlord is tra.ppe na die

toilet? - - Dit is korrek.

Hoe groot is hierdie pienk toilet? -- Die lengte is

2,47. Die breedte is 0,97.

meter breed.

Met ander Vloorde runper 'n

Die dikte van die mure van hierdie toilet? -- Die

binnemure is ,52 meter. Die dikte van die deur is 4t sm.

Onder die deur is 2mm spasie. Bokant die deur waar by aan

die muur kom is doar e;een spa.sie nie, hy is teen die kosyn

vas. Die vensterbreedte is 0,60sm. Die lengte is 0 , 85sm.

Daar is ook 'n venster in hierdie toilet, is dit reg?

-- Dit is die venster wat elc nou in dalJxdie toilet gegee het,

die breedte en die lengte, 0,60 breedte en 0,85 die lengte.

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Di tis waax di e a.kte t as gevind was. (20

As iemand by punt F op hierdie bankie sit, \Vat kan by

s i en in verband met mense wat op en a£ die trappe klim? --­

Op die bankie toe hy in daardie posisie was wat ek die toneel

getelcen het kon mens mense gesien loop het by die trap na die

toilet toe wat van bo korn na onder.

Ons het nou die grootte van die pienk toilet. Ken u

D.ssoblicf ons die grootte gee van die hole leamer waarin

hierdie pienlc toilot gelo~ is. -- Die lene;te is ongeveer

6 meter ; die bree dt e is oneeveer 8 met er . Met ander woorde ,

daer is verskillende toilette in da.ardie gedeelte .

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Hoeveel toilette is ds.ar in hierdie gedeelte? 1, 2,

3. U kan dit sien, die swart wat aangedui word, nr.2, en

daax is 4 kleintjies wat net mans gebruik en twee wasbakke.

Nou hierdie kamer waarin hierdie pienk toilet gelee

is, is daar enige vensters wat uitkyk op Keeromstraat?

Nee , dit kyle op na die ingeng van die Hof.

Ek dink u misverstaan my. Daar is In venster wat

van hierdie kamer ui tkyk op Keeromstraat. Ek praat nou van

die kamer waarin hierdie toilet gelee is. -- Ja, u het ges~

die pienk •••••

Ja, die. kamer waarin die pienk toilet geleij is, die

11ele kamer . - Ja, dit kyk op die trappe v~~r. Ek het nie

s6 gekyk of jy Keeromstra.at kan sien nie, maar ek neem aan

jy sal dit kan sien.

Maar is daar In venster in hierdie kamer? -- Ja, by

die pienk deel is daar 'n venster en by die hele toilet is

'n venster wat na Keeromstraat toe wys.

As u na BEWYSSTUK B kyk ••••• ? Die voorbladfoto?

Ja. Daar is 'n venster daar op foto nr.1 gemerk G.

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-- Dit is korrek. Dit is nie die pienk toilet se venster (20

da,m-clie nie. Di t is die hele toilet se venster en dan wys

die pyltjie G met 'n puntjie; dit toon aon die venster by

die pieru{ deel van die toilet.

Daar is 'n ender streep ook von punt G. - Dit is korrek.

\Vat dui dit aan? -- Dil; toon die venster aan ven die

pienk toilet . Met ander woorde, ds.ardie venster kyk nie

op Keeromstraat nie. H dui aan toiletdeur op grondvloer

(OllS is nog op dieselfde vloer). J dui aan waar Yusuf

Pietorsen die aktetas op lessenaar geplaa.s het en waar Len

Saralina aktetas deursnuffel het so os beweer is deur Len (30

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Saralina • . Dit korn voor op "Eerste vloer", dit is net die

volgende plan. Dit korn voor op BEWYSSTUK B.2 · 00k. Dit

is die foto-album.

Wat is die grootte van die karner waarin punt J gelee

is? -- Die lengte van di~ kamer is 4 meter 70 sentimeter.

Die breedte is 2 meter. Da2r is ' n venster sigbaar op

BE\VYSSTUK B. 2 Hy is een meter by 30 sentimeter.

Wa..arheen kyle hierdie venster? - Di~ venster kyk na

Keerornstraat. K dui aa.n waar kol. Engelbrecht gedeeltes van

blou plastiekhouer, . veiligheidslont en metaalstukkies gevind (10

het soos beweer is deur luit. Visser op die eerste vloer.

Di t korn voor op BEVVYSSTUK A en B.2. Di t is die foto-album,

die tweede foto B.2. L dui aan hoofdeur, in- en uitgang

van Hooggeregshof, Keeromstraat. Dit korn voor op eerste

vloer - dit korn voor op BEWYSSTUK A.

Die trappe L gae.n af na die straat toe, is di t korrek?

-- Dit is korrek.

En daar is verskillende vlakke tussen die trappe, is

dit korrek? · - Dit is korrek.

Ken u aendui waar punt G, die pieruc toilet se venster (20

is? Op watter vle.k is di t in vere;elyking met die verskillende

vlaklce van die hoofingeng se trappe? -- Dit korn voor op

eerste vloervlak. Die venster is sigba.ar daar waar punt K

sto.an op die linkerkant. Ek kan vir die Hof beduie, net

links . Foto nr.1 op BEWYSSTUK B (die e.lbum) dui aen Keerorn-

s crao.t met vooraansig van Hooc;geregshof met punt G wat

"toiletvenster" aendui. Foto nr.2 dui ae.n punte J en K soos

voorkom op BEWYSSTUK B. Foto nr. 3 dui a.an inhoud van akte­

t a.s , koerantpapier, vyf 400gram TNT, folioblaaie met ANC op

geskryf en geskenkpapier, uitgewys deur speurder-konstabel (30

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Basson. Dit korn voor op BEWYSSTUK B.

T.J . tlANCKE

Foto nr.4 op BEWYS-

STUK B dui aan dubbelbed te D.63 Mufulenilokasie waar twae

koffers, M en P, aan my uitgewys is deur speurder-konstabel

BS.sson. Foto B.5 dui aan rooi koffer M uitgewys deur

speurder-konstabel Basson. Foto nr.B.6 dui aa.n rooi koffer

M, normaal gepak met klerasie. Foto nr. 7 dui aan rooi

koffer M nadat klere verwyder is en oenskynlik leeg is . Foto

nr. B.8 dui aan rooi koffer M nadat valsboom verwyder is en

aan die linker agterste hoek 'n gedeelte van 'n TNT-blokkie

sigbo.o.r is . Punt N, foto nr. B.9, dui aan hoe plofstowwe (10

op watte verp$ en beskarm is en onder valsboom versteek was

- dit is koffer M. Foto B.10 dui aa.n inhoud van rooi koffer

M. Foto B.11 dui aan soortgelyke geskenkpapier soos voorkom

op BEffYSSTUK foto B.3 (koffer M). Dit is wat in die akte-

tas e;evind was. Foto B.12 dui aan !coffer met klere, BRNYS­

STll( C. Foto B.13 dui aan koffer met inhoud, BA.7203, 7,65

Makarov pistool met spaarmagasyn P en 8 rondtes ammunisie

i n beide magasyne.

U handig in die sleutel as BmVYSSTUK C. Voor ons

verder gaan, op BEWYSSTUK B (die foto) gee hierdie punt wat (20

na die venster verwys wat voor op die plan is, die venster

wat ons kan sien. -- Ja.

Hoe wyd is Keeromstraat? -- Met die sypaadjies, die

normale wydte van 'n pad is ongeveer 9 meter. Ek het dit

nie gemeet nie. Ongeveer 9 meter.

Nou kyk hierdie venster na 'n gebou of kyk dit nie na

'n gcbou nie? Dit is nie duidelik van die foto nie .

De.eT waar op BEWYSSTUK B.1 staan In parkeerbordjie, di t is

die Nasionale Pers, dit is die gebou van die Nasionale Pers.

Die venster kyk daarop uit. (30

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Hierdie Nasionale Pers-gebou is drie verdiepings hoog,

is dit korrek - vier verdiepings hoog. -- Ek ·dink dit is vier

verdiepings.

En mense is in hierdie gebou gedurende die dag en

hulle was op di~ betrokke dae, die 15de Mei van verlede jaar,

in die gebou? -- Korrek.

U het toe na die Mufuleni-lokasie toe gegaan is dit

korrek, waar u 'n plan daar opgestel het? -- Dit is korrek.

Die plan is BEWYSSTUK D wat u inhandig. 'n Foto is

geneem van 'n hostel daar. - Dit is korrek •

Dit is BEWYSSTUK E. U het ook 'n sleutel opgestel

as gevolg van sekere punte wat daar aan u uitgewys is ·en die

sleutel word ingehandig as BEWYSSTUK F. Sal u asseblief

die sleutel uitlees ter verduideliking van D en E? -- Punt M

dui aan WaaI' rooi koffer gevind is. Dit korn voor op BEWYS­

STUK B.4 - dit is die foto's wat u gehad het, ·en BEWYSSTUK D

nOll voor u. Punt P dui aan waar geel koffer gevind is,

dit is die pistool - dit kom voor op BEWYSSTUK B.4, B.13 en

D. Foto 4 (BEWYSSTUK B) posisie waarvendaan foto geneern

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is. Dit korn voor in foto-album B.4. Foto toon aan omgewing(20

ven woonkwartiere D.63 - BEl'VYSSTUK E.

U is toe na 'n ander plek waar 'n ontploffing plaas­

gevind het en daar het u sekere foto's geneem. -- Dit is

korrclc.

Wanneer was dit, en waax was u heen? - Dit was geneem

op die 7de Junie 1979 te Peninsula Quarries, Kottermanskloof,

Kocberg.

Sekere punte was aan u daar uitgewys ·en u het 'n

sleutel BEVfYSSTUK H, wat u nou inhandig, opgestel ter ver­

duic1eliking van hierdie foto's? - Dit is korrek .

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Sal u asseblief die slcutel uitlees? -- Foto nr . 1 op

BllilYSSTUK G toon aan posisie waar 5 TNT-blokkies geplaas was

en voorberei was deur kapt. Baardman tot stadium van ont-

ploffing . Foto nr . 2 toon aan sement-konkreetversperring

we.e.r ineong versper was deur send en gruis - di t kom voor

op BEWYSSTUK G. Foto nr . 3G toon e2n ontploffing . Die

sementkonstruksie beskerm die lengte waar die blokkies ge-

pl e,e.s was van TNT, 4,20 meter (di t is die lene;te) . . Die

breedte is 2,15 meter. Die boogte is 1,90 en die muurdikte

0 , 22 meter en dakdikte 0,22 me t er.

GEEN VERDERE VRAE.

KRUIS-ONDERVRAGING DEUR MNR. MOHAMED : ____ .................. .. __ ta • _._. ....................... ___ •

Mnr. Hancke , ele sal my vra.e i n Engel s stel , u kan in

Afrikaans antwoord. Ek sa l probeer.

Mr. Hancke, I want to get clarity on the question of

the thickness of the wa.lls in the pink toilet. You referred

to t he width of the binnemure and the thickness of that and

wha t do you mean by binnemure? - Di t is die muur binneIn

die gebou, binnetn die toilet soos hy voorkom op BEWYSSTUK A

Clf di e pienkdeel.

Yes, I Imow what it means on the exhibit, but what I

want to know is what do you mean by binnemure? Does that

refe r to the full thickness of the wall or does it mean only

the , only a certain portion of the thickness of the wall? --

Nee . Daardie is die buitemuur, hierdie is die binnemuur.

Dit i s om net so te verduidelik.

V·/hat do you went to say? - Ek het verduidelik die

bui temuur is die muur aan di e straatkant. Die binnemuur

i s nie aan die straat se kant nie .

Let us leave that for the moment. On the pink

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toilet there is a wall which separates the pink toilet from

the rest of the complex of toilets, not so? -- Dit is heeltemal

reg.

And when you refer to the thickness of the wall what

is the thiclmess of the total we,ll which separates the pink

toilet from the rest of the complex of toilets? -- Edelagbare,

die ••••

Let me put it to you this way. If I were to say to

you that the total thickness of the wall which separates the

piruc toilet from the other complex of toilets is something

in the region . . of 400mm what would you say? It is a very

thick wall . I do not care whether you call it binnemuur

or bui temuur. I am talking about the total thiclmess . --

400mm is 40 sentimeter.

Kon dit wees? -- My gegewens wat ek geskryf het is

0,52sm.

That is for the whole of that wall? -- The wall, yes.

Let us take the wall of the pink toilet; now we know

that some of that wall adjoins the steps of the Supreme

(10

Court entrance, not so? -- Ja. (20

Now if you take the total thickness of that wall, in­

cluding up to the point where it reaches the steps of the

Supreme Court, how thick would that. be? -- Di t sal baie dik

weese

Baie dik, ja. -- Ja.

It would be what, approximately? -- Dit is die hele

breedte van die trappe weese

Precisely. It would be a very effective bomb shelter

wouldn't it? If the Supreme Court was going to be bombed I

would suggest that that is one of the most safest places to (30

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go to, is to that toilet because of the tremendous protection

given by the steps. -- Ek is nie 'n plofstofdes~dige nie,

maar daardie venster loop op die trappies waar die mense die

hoofingang gebruik.

I beg your pardon, Mr. Hancke? -- Ek het ges~ ek is

nie 'n plofstofdeskundige nie.

Ja, u is geen deskundige nie, nou ma.ar goed, maar in

elk geval , daar is ••• (GETUIE KOM TUSSENBEIDE) -- Maar die

venster wat by daardie toilet is loop uit na waar die mense

op en af by die hoofingang gaan.

Ja, di t- verstaan ek maar ek het nie drt vir u gevra

nie. But you say it is s. very thick wall which runs to

separate the toilet from the street outside. -- Hy is nie

tot bo teen die dak so dik nie.

venster so dike

Hy is net tot onder die

You se:y you cannot say how thick this is? - Nee, di t

is baie dik, ek kan nie s~ hoe hoog dit is ••• (MR. MOHAMED

INTERVENES)

What is the height of this pink toilet? -- Die hoogte

(10

is 3,27 meter. (20

That is quite a high toilet isn't it, it is not usual

for a toilet to be so high? -- Ja, dit is baie hoog, dit is

nie normaalweg nie.

Mr. Hancke, while you were busy with your rather care­

:[u.1 pIon, did you perha.ps measure the length or the thickness

of the walls in the other toilets which appear on this plan?

Nee.

They would be much thinner those walls wouldn ' t they?

-- Dit sal definitief dunner weese Ek ken ook nie s~ nie

want di t is 'n ou gebou en do.ardie dae het hulle dik mure (30

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gebou.

Maar dit sal hee]wat dunner wees? -- Ja.

My learned friend says that the state will admit that.

Now ~~. Hancke, it is also correct is it not, that the walls

of the pink toilet have a certain external amount of gr-ani te

as distinct from just bricks? -- Aan die buitekant is gr-aniet.

And you do not lmow how thick is the granite? - Nee.

y.o FURTHER QUEST IONS

NO RE-EXA.l\UNATION

PIETER .TOHAN THERON: (Verklaar onder eed):

ONDERVRAGING DEUR MNR. KAHN:

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U is 'n sersant in die Suid-Afrikaanse Polisie

gestasioneer te Kaapstad en u is verbonde aan die Veiligheids­

tak, is dit korrck? -- Dit is korrek.

Op die 15de Mei 1979 om 12,45-nm. het u as gevolg van

'n rapport ontvang na die Hooggeregshof , Kaapstad, toe gegaan

is dit korrek? - Dit is korrek.

Wat het daar gebeur? - Ek het na die Hooggeregshof

toe gelcom aangesien hier blykbaar 'n ontploffing was. Ek (20

het hier by die Hooggeregshof aangekom en hulle het aan my

'n ku.ntoor gewys waar ek 'n sekere Kleurlingman, mnr. Sarelina,

aangetref het. Hy het aan my 'n bruin tas getoon wat op

die rr-rond gel~ het langs die tafel.

Ek toon aan u hierdie tas. -- Dit is die tas.

Ek hendig di t in as BENYSSTUK 1 u Edele. Wat het u

toe godoen? - Ek het almal versoek om uit die betrokke

kantoor uit te gaan en ek het die tas ondersoek en gesorg dat

dit veilig is. Nadat dit ve ilig was en ek besluit het dat

dit veilig was het ek dit na 'n veilige plek toe verwyder (30

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waar ek di t later aan kapt. Baardman oorhandig het.

Toe u daEr aangekom het was daEr baie mense in die

kantoor? -- Nee, daar was net een man in die kantoor en dit

was Kleurlingman Sarelina.

En in die voorportaal van die Hooggeregshof was daar

mense daar? -- Daar was mense maar nie baie mense nie.

GEEN VEIIDERE VRAE.

NO QUEST IONS BY MR. MOHAMED • • (WITNESS EXCUSED)

tffi. MOHAMED : M'Lord, with this witness and other witnesses (10

that my learne~ friend wants to call to show that somebody

took something from point A to point B, I again want to

invite him and draw his attention to the provisions of

Section 220 of the Criminal Procedure Act in terms of which

I am prepared to make any formal admissions he needs so that

your Lordship does not have to listen to a string of formal

witnesses.

GEORGE SEBASTIAAN ENGELBRECHT: I

(Verkls2r onder eed).

ONDERVRAG ING DEUR lVINR. KAHN:

U is In luitenant-kolonel in die Suid-Afrikaanse

Polisie en stasiebevelvoerder te Kaapstad? -- Dit is reg.

Omstreeks 13h50 op die 15de Mei 1979 het u na 'n

kantoor in die gebou van die Hooggeregshof in Kaapstad gegaan

en dit deursoek, is dit korrek? -- Dit is korrek.

Wie se kantoor was dit? -- Dit was die opsigter se

kantoor.

Leonard Serelina, die opsigter se kantoor. -- .Dit is

reg .

Het u iets daar gevind? -- Ja.

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Wat het u daar gevind? -- In die een hoek, die noord- (30

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westelike hoek van die klein vertrelc het ek 'n stukkie lont

aangetref.

Ek toon aan u 'n stukkie lont, is di t die lont wat u

aangetref het? -- Dit is die s~(ie lont.

Ek handig dit in as BEVfYSSTUK 2(a), u Edele. Enu

het ook iets verder daar gevind, is dit korrek? -- In die­

selfde hoek het ek 'n stukkie blouagtige halfverbrande voor-

werp gevind.

'n Plastieksakkie? -- Dit is die plastieksakkie, ja.

2(b).

U identifiseer dit, ek handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK

Op hierdie extikels het u beslag gel~ en aan luit.

Vi sser van die Veiligheidstak oorhendig, is dit korrek? --

Dit is korrek .

Dankie, kolonel.

GEEN VERDERE VRAE. I. __ I

!!fl@ .•. MOHAMED : Geen vrae. (GETUIE VERSKOON)

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JOHAlmES LOUIS VIVIERS VISSER: _______ ~ E2!iJ$&JJ21 (Verklaar onder eed):

ONDERVRAGING DE.'UR MNR. KAHN: ....... ~..........-. .... - ........... ...-..-U is 'n luitenant in die Suid-Afrikaanse Polisie,

verbonde aan die Veiligheidstak, Kaa.pstad? -- Dis reg.

Op die 15de Mei 1979, omstreeks 13h50 is u na die

Hooggeregshof, Kanpstad? -- Dis korrek.

Waarom, -- Ek het eeGaun as gevolg van 'n rapport wat

ek ontvang het dat daar 'n ontploffing plaasgevind het by die

Hoo[meregshof.

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(20

Ja? -- Op my aankoms het ek vir kol. Engelbrecht aan­

bctref by In kantoor. Kol. Engelbrecht het 'n stukkie ver­

branc1c lont en In blou plastiekhouer , BEWYSSTUICKE 2(a) en (b),

aan my oorhandig. Hy het die plek aan my uitgewys waar by (30

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dit gevind het en op dieselfde plek het ek ook stukkies metaal

op~etel. Dit is BEWYSSTUK 3 voor die Hof • .

U sien die beskuldigde hier vandag? -- Korrek.

Wanneer het u hom die eerste keer gesien? -- Ek het

die beskuldigde die eerste keer gesien op die 16de Mei 1979

omstreeks 6-nm.

Hoe het dit gekom dat u hom gesien het, wat was die

omst8ndighede en wat het daar gebeur? -- Ek het 'n telefoon­

oproep ontvang van adj.-off. Van Wyk dat ek kantoor toe moet

korn , dat hulle my by die kantoor wou sien en ek het

onmiddellik kantoor toe gegaan. Daar het ek vir adj.-off.

Van Ylyk , spr.-sers. Basson en die beskuldigde aangetref.

Spr.-sers . Basson het beskuldigde na 'n kantoor geneem, 'n

ondervragingskantoor geneem en adj.-off. Van Wyk, spr.-sers.

Basson en kol. Kotze het by 'n ander kantoor ingegaan. Ek

het toe na die beskuldigde gegaan, ek het myself aan hom

voorgestel ••••

Waarom het u na hom toe gegaan? -- Omdat adj.-off.

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Van Wyk, spr.-sers. Basson en die kolonel samesprekings gevoer

het on ek wou nie beskuldigde alleen laat nie. (20

Ja? -- Die beskuldigde het toe aan my ges~ dat hy die

persoon is wat die born by die Hooggeregshof geplaas het en

hy hot ook ges@ ds,t hy die snder twee menere om verskoning

1,vi] vrn omdat by nie vir hulle ges@ het dat di t by is wat

d"c born geplaas het nie.

Wat het verder gebeur? -- Daarna het ek 'n rapport aan

die betrokke lede gemaak oor wat die beskuldigde aan my ges~

bet en beskuldigde was later dieselfde sand aangehou.

Het u weer 'n onderhoud met die beskuldigde gehad?

Die volgende oggend omstreeks halfnege het ek weer 'n

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J.L.V. VISSER

Ret u hom volgens Regtersreels gewaarsku? -- Dit is

korrek.

En wat het toe by hierdie onderhoud gebeur? -- Die

beskuldigde het erken dat hy opleidine ontvang het in die

buiteland en dat by vir die plasing van die born by die Hoog­

geregshof verantwoordelik is. El{ het aan die beskuldigde

gevra hoekom by die born by die Hooggeregshof geplaas het en

die beslruldigde het toe aan my ges~' di t is omdat 'n kameraad

Solomon Mhlanga in die Hooggeregshof ter dood veroordeel

was. Ek het die beskuldigde ook ondervra in verband met

die snder plofstof wat by hom gevind was waarop by vir my

'n verduideliking gegee het waarvoor by dit wou gebruik het.

Wat was hierdie verduideliking? -- Hy het ges~ dat by

instruksies gehad het om dit te gebruik om brae en spoorlyne

op te blaas maar dat by nog nie die betro~ce plekke uitge­

kies het nie.

Wa,t het u toe gedoen met die beskuldigde? -- Nadat

ek die voorlopige besonderhede van die beskuldigde gekry het

(10

het ek die beslruldigde weer volgens Regtersreels gewaarsku, (20

ele het hom meegedeel dat die verklarings wat hy aan my

gemaElc het op 'n bekentenis neerkom en indien hy di t verkies

dat hy 'n verklaring voor 'n landdros kan afl~. Beskuldigde

het vorlcies om 'n verklaring voor 'n landdros af te l~ en

ele he t <1ie nodige reelings eetref daarvoor.

En wunneer het dit pl~~sgevind? -- Dit was dieselfde

d8{~ op clie 17de omstreeks, ele sou s~ di twa s tussen 12,30

en 1-~.

Nadat by sy erkenning aan die landdros gemaak het wat

het u met hom gedoen, wat het daarna gebeur? -- Die ver- (30

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klaring het ek deurgelees daardie selfde dag.

J.L.V . VISSER

Op die 18de,

die dae; dD,arna, het ele weer die beskuldigde e;esien en ck het

hom weer volgens Regtersreels gewasrsku en ek het hom gevra

of hy bereid is om sekere punte, die punte wat hy in sy

verklaring aan die landdros genoem het, of hy bereid is om

daardie punte aan my uit te wys, en die beskuldi Gde was bercid

om dit te doen. Daardie selfde dag het die beskuldigde

myself en adj.-off. Haneke na die Hooggeregshof vergesel waar

by sekere punte uitgewys het.

~ Wat het hy aan u vertel? Eerstens, het u In afskrif (10

•

van die plDn voor u? -- Nee, ek het nie. (AFSKRIF VAN :PLAN

AAN GETUIE OORHAND IG )

Het hy aan u getoon waar hy ingekom het? -- Dit is

korrek.

Op die betrokke dag, die 15de. Op die 15de, ja.

Wasr was dit? -- Dit is punt A op die plan.

En hoe hy toe geloop het. Wat het hy aan u ges~?

Hy het by punt A binnegekom, reg? - Dit is korrek .

En toe? -- Daarvandaan het hy gekom en by het gegaan

na Hof nr.3 - punt D op die plan. Daarna het hy geguan na (20

Hof nr.10 - punt E op die plan. Daarna het hy afeekom na

die grondvloer toe, na die toilette, dit is punt G op die

plan en daar was mense in die toilet gewees. Toe het hy

uitgegaan, toe het hy op 'n bankie gaan sit - punt F op die

plan. Hy het toe seker gemaak dat daar niemand in die

toilette is op daardie oomblik nie en toe het hy ingegaan

en hy het toe die briewetas geplaas ••••• (MNR. K1U{N KOM

TUSSENBEIDE)

In die pienk toilet? -- Dit i s korrek.

~cyk watter punt dit is op die plan.

Ek wi l net

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Dit is punt G. -- Dit is punt ••••

plan kyk, u Edele.

J.L.V. VISSER

Ek wil net na die

Nee, daar is nie 'n punt op hierdie plan nie. -- Ek

dink daar is 'n foto geneem daarvan.

Ja, ons kan die foto later inhandig. AIle onderhoude

wat u met hom gehad het en alles wat hy aan u ges~ het is vry

en bereidwillig gemaak is dit korrek? -- Dit is korrek.

U het op u beurt punte aan adj .-off. Hancke ui tgewys.

-- Dit is korrek •

Het u iets verder om by te voeg? -- Nee, ek het niks (10

verder om by te voeg nie.

Ek wil 'n foto aan u toon, BEWYSSTUK J. Is dit waar

hy ui tgewys het in die toilet waar hy die born ge:pla.as het?

-- Dit is korrek.

Waarna ver'~s hy? Na die muur agter die toilet?

Ek sal s~ dit is onder die waterpyp van die spoelbak van die

toilet.

Sal u dit net vir die Hof inhandig.

• GEEN VERDERE VRAE.

KEUIS-oNDERVRAGING DEUR MNR. MOHAMED:

Luit. Visser, ek sal my vrae in Engels stel, u kan in

Afrikaans antwoord. Lt. Visser, you say that when you spoke

to the accused first the other officers, Mr. V8n Wyk en Mr.

Basson, were not present? -- Dit is korrek.

Did you ask them to leave? -- Nee, ek het nie.

(20

Why did you then speak to the accused alone? What

was the need for that? -- Ek het met die beskuldigde alleen

gepraat omdat adj.-off. Van Wyk, sers. Basson en kol. Kotze

in die ander kantoor ingegaan het. Hulle het met die Kolonel

.gepraat op daardie stadium. (30

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And later that night you again spoke to the accused? --

Nee, nie dieselfde aand nie.

The next day? -- Die volgende oggend.

And were you again alone? -- Ek was aIleen.

And where were the others? -- Hulle was nie in dieselfde

kantoor gewees as ek nie.

Were they in the vicinity? -- Hulle was in the omgewing

in dieselfde gebou.

Did you speak to the accused in English? -- Dit is

• korrek. (10

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Did you make a note of what the accused said to you?

-- Ja, ek het notas gemaak.

Have you got those notes? -- Ek het van die notas.

When did you first make a note of what the accused

told you? -- Die oggend van die 17de.

What time was it when you spoke to the accused the

second time? -- The second time? Dit was die oggend van

die 17de. Bedoel u die oggend van die 17de?

Die Qggend van die 17de, ja. -- Dit was oneeveer 8,30

voormiddae. (20

And when did you moke your notes on the conversation?

Gedurende die gesprek .

Did you make your notes in Afrikaans or in English? -­

Ek het dit in Afrikaans gemaak.

So you did not put down the words of the accused? -­

Ek het nie.

Did you mention this in your statement to the police?

You made a statement about your conversation with the accused •

Did you mention what the accused told you on the morning of

the 17th in your statement to the police? -- Ek kan nie (30

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onthou nie.

I put it to you, you did not. -- Dit is moontlik dat ek

di t nie •• • (MR. MOHAMED INTERVENES)

Why not? -- Ek het dit nie as van belang bcskou nie.

It was not important at all? -- Nee, ek het dit nie op

daardie stadium os van belang beskou nie.

I see. Did you at any stage make a written statement

to the police concerning what the accused told you? -- Ja.

A written statement? -- Ja, ek het •

But that is not in the statement which has been

furnished to my learned friend. -- Nee, daardie bet r okke

onder houd van die oggend het ek nie in my verklari ng ••••••

WeI , ek is nie seker of ek dit gemeld het nie.

Maar u kan dit nie ontken dat u nie daarvan melding

gemaak het nie? -- Ek kan dit nie ontken nie.

You say that in your notes you did not put the exact

words of the accused, you gave an Afrikaans summary of what

was said? -- Dit is korrek.

And even now you cannot remember -the exact words?

( 10

Nee, ek sal nie sa dit is die presiese woorde nie . (20

In fact, how long ago was this conversation? It is

a long time ago, is it not? -- It is a long time ago, yes.

And, in fact, you might have - you might no longer

remember the exact words? -- Ek ken nog onthou, dit is nog

vars in my geheue oor wat daar gepraat is.

Het u dit as belangrik beskou? -- Herhaal net, asseblief?

Het u dit as belangrik beskou die presiese woorde van

die beskuldigde? -- Ja, ek het dit as belangrik be skou.

As u dit as belangrik beskou het hoekom het u nie die

pres iese woorde neergeskryf nie? -- Op daardie stadium het (30

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ek net kort notas gemaak. Ek sou die beskuldigde op In

later stadium, sou ek 6f van hom In volledige verklaring

geneem het indien hy dit verkies het.

But you see, earlier on you said you did not think it

was important and that is why you did not mention it in your

police statement. Now what was the position? Did you

think it was important, or did you think it was not important?

We have had both from you. -- Dit is moeilik om te s~ wat ek

op daardie stadium gedink het •

But you said at one stage you thought it was not

important, at another stage you thought it was important

( 10

and now you say you do not know whether you considered it

important. These are all the alternatives. -- Dit is moeilik

om te s~.

Did the accused tell you that he knew for sure what

the purpose was, or did he tell you whether he had a certain

impression as to what the purpose was? You cannot remember

the exact words. - Nee, ek kan nie sy presie se woorde onthou

nie •

He might have said to you WMy impression was from (20

these persons it might be for this purpose" or something

like that? Dit m~g weese -- Nee, hy het nie ges~ vir my

dit mag wees nie.

Nee, ~k s~. I said to you it might be that his words

were different from the exact words you seem to remember now,

his words might have been ttl got the impression from people

in Botswana that this would be the purpose". - Dit is nie

soos "ek dit verstaan het nie •

Maar dit mag 80 wees dat hy 60iets ges~ het. -- Hy het

~ie soiets ges~ nie. (30

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But you say you cannot remember the exact words. -- Ek

sal dit na die beste ven my vermoe herhaal.

You see, the accused is also unable to remember the

exact words. That is not surprising, is it? -- Nee, dit is

nie .

Anyway, what is very clear is, firstly, th~t you do

not remember the exact words, right? -- Dit is korrek.

Secondly, that in your notes which you made you did

not put the English words at all, you gave an Afrikaans

summary of what you could remember? -- Dit is korrek.

Thirdly, you did not put it in your statement? -- Dit

mag so weese

PJld fourthly, a long period of time has elapsed and

your memory might be in defect? -- Dit is na die beste van

my vermoe soos ek dit aan die Hof vertel dat ek dit onthou.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

HER-ONDERVRAG ING DEUR MNR. KAHN: -

(10

In watter taal het hierdie onderhoud plaasgevind tussen

• u en die beskuldigde?-- Die eerste aand . het dit in A.frikaans

plaasgevind. Uie volgende oggend het di t in Afrilcaans!

Engels plaasgevind by meeste van daardie gesprekke.

GEEN VERDERE VRAE. (GETUIE VERSKOON)

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DIE HOF NEEM DIE LANG VERDAGING.

ON RESUMPTION: 2,15-p.m.

LEONARD SARALINA: (Sworn, states)

EXAMINED BY MR. KAHN:

Leonard, you are employed by the Department of Public

Works, is that correct? -- That is correct, yes.

(20

Your present occupation is foreman at the Supreme (30

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Court building in Cape Town, in this building, i s that correct?

That is correct, sir.

Leonard, how long have you been employed as a foreman

of the Supreme Court? -- Thirteen years now - say, 12 - 13

years.

And before that? -- Before that I was worki ne at the

Archives. For 15 years I was at the Archives and before

that, then I wasn't a foreman, I was still a cleaner, and

in 1965 I became a foreman and I worked at the Col oured

Affairs, Hertzog-gebou.

Leonard, how old are you? -- I am 64.

I would like to show you EXHIBIT 1, a brief case.

Have you ever seen this brief case before? -- Yes .

When was that, Leonard? -- That was in May, on the

15th May. It was brought to my office.

Your office is in the Supreme Court? -- Supreme Court,

yes.

Who brought it to your office? -- Yusuf Pietersen .

He is a member of your staff? -- .He is one of our

cleaners.

And why did he bring it to your office? - - He brought

it, he told me he found this bag in the toilet. He di d not

know who it belonged to and he thought he would bring it up

to me as they always do when they find things around, they

bring it to me.

Did he tell you he found it in the toilet, he did not

know whose it was and then he brought it to you? -- That's

right.

(10

(20

What time was this , Leonard? -- That was about approxim-

~tely 12,35. (30

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Leonard , when you speak , would you just speak a bit

louder , please, and look to the Court. Is your chest •••• ?

-- Yes , I've got a cold on my chest.

Would you just speak to the Court, I do not think your

voice is carrying. What did you do when he brought this

to you , this brief case? -- Well , I was busy doing my work

when he came with this bag and he put the bag on the table

next t o me and told me he found this bag in the toilet.

Then I looked over and I looked in the bag . I s ay this

4t paper , newspaper, and at the back of the newspaper a piece (10

of yellowish carboard . Right inside this bag was this box.

It was a box , wrapped up, like Christmas wrapping , it was a

darkish colour. At the side of it was like some kind of a

connection thing and on top of that was a box. On that

box I saw the letters Super Snuff.

On the yellowish box? -- It was a yellowish box.

Right, and did you do anything? -- Well, when I looked

at this, then my mind suddenly went about a bomb. I never

had the thought about a bomb, but then my mind went "This

must be a bomb" and I lifted it up and as I lifte d it up •••• (20

What did you lift up?-- The bomb.

The box? -- Yes, the box, it started to hiss .

The giftwrapped box, did yo1). lift tha.t up? The

black box, then it started to hiss and it blew up against my

hand .

It blew across your hand, yes? -- It blew across my

hand . I had a jersey on, there were white marks a.cross the

jersey ' s sleave and the side of it. And then I thought "Here

is danger , I must get away" and I pressed the box when I

~ropped it and I ran around the table to get out of the (30

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office, but before I got out of the office then the bane went

off at the back of me and my ears were just ringing and I

thought "Oh, my enrdrums!" And when I got outsi de in the

foyer I turned around and looked back into the ro om and I

saw the room was full of white smoke and then I went back

into the office, opened the window. It was exact ly twenty­

five to one. The clock is hanging there.

Leonard, when you came outside, were ther e many people

outside? -- Oh yes, dozens of them. Some of the Courts ha.d

.. already adjourned. People were sitting on the benches , (10

some stood around in the foyer. There were peopl e comine

from the left of me, th.at is the main entrance, t he s teps,

people coming up and dOVlIl1 there.. On the right there are

the steps going down to the ground floor and to t he toilets;

the steps going up to the second floor where the other four

Courts are. It was full of people.

Leonard, how many male toilets accessible to the

public were in operation in the building on t hat day? --­

Apart from the judges' toilets there were only two. I t was

the one downstairs.... (20

We will call that the Itbomb toilet". -- That ' s right.

Yes? -- And then there is the one opposite Court 7.

Were those the only two male toilets in oper ation?

That's right.

Now why was that? -- Well, they were renewing the

toilets, modernising them.

And those were the only two toilets •••• ? -- Those

were-the only two toilets working.

Now of the two tOilets, do you know which one is used

. ~ore, which is the more popular of the two? -- That i s (30

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definitely the one on the ground floor.

The "bomb toilet"? - Yes, because it is only the people

that use Courts 7, 8 and 9 and 10 that go upstairs, so nobody

will go upstairs, it is easier to go downstairs.

So you would sey that was the main toilet? -- That was

the main toilet.

Leonard, in your experience in the Supreme Court when

are toilets used, at what time of the day are they used the

most? -- When the Courts are adjourned and before the Courts

~ start in the morning. (10

What time would that be? -- That I will say is before

a quarter past ten - say from 8 0' clock to quarter pe.st ten.

Sometimes we have people coming here already to attend Court

at 8 o'clock, then they have to sit and wait here on the

benches, and then they use the toilets. When the Courts

start a lot of these people are in Court.

The Court then adjourns for tea at quarter past eleven,

correct? -- That's right.

And then we have the luncheon adjournment. Now what

time is that? -- Any time from half past twelve to one (20

o'clock.

Leonard, what happens at one o'clock in the building?

-- All the people have to be out by one o'clock if the Courts

are all e.djourned. Sometimes you find there is still a

Court sitting, then we've got to keep the door open, but

there is a men on duty. But if the Courts are all adjourned

then we close the doors and lock them at one o'clock - between

one and ten to two.

And who remains i n the building? -- Only the staff

that want to remain in the building. Some go out to do (30

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shopping.

Now the steps outside the Court building after the

doors are closed, are people ever seen to be on those steps

or not? -- Yes, oh yes. When they go out one o'clock

there are some people that sit on the steps, they have

their lunch there. Some people take a walk, or some people

do their shopping also. But there are always people lunch

time between one and two on the steps.

Now Leonard, you ere a Coloured male, is that correct?

Tha.t's right. (10

Have you any political convictions? -- No.

You say no? - No. Defini tely not.

COURT: Why not? -- 'Nell, I suppose I do have political

connections. (WITNESS SPEAKS VERY INDISTINCTLY) My interest

is only the work. ~rom home to work and from work home. If

I am not at work I'm at home.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

CROSS-E.XA.MlNED BY l'tlR. MOHAMED:

Mr. Saralina, in this what my learned friend has called

the "bomb toilet" there is more than one toilet in that (20

complex not so, in the basement? -- Yes, well, it is all one

toilet, but •••

All one but several cubicles? -- Cubicles, yes. There

are four in the one.

Yes, that's right. And those were all in opere.tiqn?

Yes.

And then, in addition to that, you say that there

were some toilets that were in operation, where? -- There was

only the toilet by Court 7.

And then in addition to the.t there were some other (30

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toilets for females? -- Females, yes, oh yes, toilets for

females.

Were there many toilets for females? -- No, only the

one at that time.

At the time? -- Yes.

And then there were some toilets that were out of

commission. How many toilets were out of commission?

Well, I cannot tell you now. But I can tell you that apart

from the judges' toilet there is only this toilet here

opposite this Court, that toilet we call 64.

toilet and then •••

It is that (10

Was that in operation at the time? -- There is a toilet

opposite Court 5 end then there is, apart from the judges'

toilets, a toilet by Court 7.

Yes, correct, by Court 7. And was there a toilet

next to Court 8? -- No, that was en office. They only built

that toilet now with these alterations.

And the toilet next to Court 5, was there a toilet

next to Court 5? -- No, opposite Court 5.

There was a toilet as well. -- No, that was out of (20

order.

That was not working? -- That wasn't working.

But it was still there as a toilet? -- Oh yes, that

was ,still there.

And then opposite Court 12? -- Yes, there is e.lso a

tOilet, but that was also out of order.

Mr. Saraline, you have been here for many years.

These, what my learned friend has called the bomb toilets

they have very thick walls don't they? -- Well, I wouldn 't

say. Well, I heard the walls were thick.

You/ •• • •

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You haven't seen those walls yourself? -- Well, I saw

the walls, yes.

When this brief case was brought to you, it was brought

by Yusuf Pietersen, is that right? -- That t s right.

And just before that you were sitting in your office?

-- Yes, I was in the office.

You, of course, do not know whether at that stage

there was anybody in the toilet or not? No, I do not know.

And this .hissing sound which you have described to us

that was quite loud and clear, was it? It immediately set (10

you in alarm? -- It wasn't loud. It ,was only a slight

hissing noise, but it was like something that punches like

that and it sprays like stuff on my hand. It burned my

hand and my jersey.

But you could hear it very clearly, the sOtUld. -- It

was very slight.

And that is what made you think: that this might be a

bomb? -- Well, that is what made me think it is ••••

came to me that this is a bomb.

It just

It just came to you, yes. What did you say happened(20

to your hand? -- It burned my hand. The stuff, whatever

it is that came out of it, sprayed over here and burned my

hand. I have been burned before, that is a burn.

Did you get any treatment for it? -- I had a kit

there, a first-aid kit, I had some jelly there, s ome kind of

a jelly, so I put that on. That cooled it off.

And you never needed to go to the hospital or to a

doctor? -- Well, I did go to the doctor the next day, the

Department sent me to go and see the District Surgeon.

But there was really nothing to worry about? - Well, (30

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actually, no.

You were back at work next day? -- Yes, I was back at

work.

Well, I am glad to hear that. And you sa.y that when

you came back into the office after the noise there was a.

lot of smoke, was there? - Yes, when I got outside after

the bang, behind me, I looked back into tho office and saw

the offi.ce full ,of white smoke.

Full of whi.te smoke. - Then I went back into the

office to open the little window to clear the air.

And you say there was a lot of white smoke?- Yes, a

lot of white smoke.

NO FURTHER QUE~IONS

NO RE-EXAMINATION - .. - (WITNESS EXCUSED) ___ ... __ ...-.-.-., ___ .... __________________ -'_..-..t

YUSUF PIETERSEN: (Verklaar onder eed):

ONDERVRAG ING DEUR MNR. KAHN:

Yusuf, jy is werksaam by die Departement Publieke

Werke, Kaapstad, en u is 'n skoonmaker by die Hooggeregshof

hier in Kaapstad, is dit reg? -- Ja.

Yusuf, ek toon aan jou BEWYSSTUK 1, 'n briewetas.

Het jy so 'n briewetas vantevore gesien? -- Ja.

Waar het jy hierdie briewetas gesien en wanneer?

Ek het daardie briewetas gesien onder in die toilette in.

Watter dag was dit? Was dit die dag van die bom-

ontploffing hier? -- Die dag van die bomontploffing, ja.

Waar het jy hierdie briewetas in die toilet gevind en

hoe laat was dit? -- Langs die pot, en omtrent halfeen.

Dit was omtrent halfeen en .••• ? - - Halfeen, langs die

pot in die toilet in.

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Is dit al wat jy daar gevind het, net die briewetas?

Daa.r was iets daar in die briewetas gewees.

Het jy dit oopgemaak? -- Ja.

W~arom het jy dit oopgemaak? -- Ek was nuuskierig

gewees, meneer, hoekom, dit het 'n bietjie swaar gevoel ook.

Ekskuus? -- Ek was nuuskierig gewees, ek het gekyk

wat daaxin is, hoekom, dit het 'n bietjie swaar gevoel ook.

Het dit swaar gevoel? -- Bietjie swaar gevoel.

Jy was nuuskierig? -- Ja •

Yusuf, kan jy lees? -- Ja.

Was daar enige notas of papiere in die omgewing van

die briewetas, buite op die briewetas? -- Ek het nie briewe

gesien daar nie.

Notas, enigiets? -- Nee.

Net 'n briewetas? -- Net daardie tas wat daar gewees

het en daardie goed wat daar binneYn gewees het.

Ekskuus? -- Daardie ontploffing wat daarin gewees het.

(10

Jy s~ jy het die briewetas oopgemaak. Wat het jy

gesien? -- Ek het gesien binnein so 'n vierkantige box, omtrent

s6 groot (aangedui), het ek gesien daarin en ander papiere (20

daar binne gesien, koerantpapiere.

Wat het jy toe met hierdie briewetas gedoen? -- Op na

die voorman toe gebring dit.

kom .si t di t.

Ek het voor die voorman neer

Ja, en wat het toe gebeur? - Toe dit daar voor die

voorman staan toe hy het vir my ges~ hy gaan nou kyk daarin

of dit nie miskien een is wat hy ken nou nie. Toe hy daarin

krap toe blaas die vuur, daardie ding vuur ui t •

Toe hardloop jy weg? -- Toe gee ek pad , toe hardloop

eke Toe s~ ek "Pasop, meneer", toe hardloop ek uit, en toe (30

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gaan die ding af.

En toe hardloop jy weg? -- Toe hardloop ek uit, ja.

En lateraan het jy sekere punte a.an die polisie ui t-

gewys? Ja. meneer.

GEEN VERDERE VRAE.

KRUIS-0NDERVRAGING DEUR MNR. MAILER:

Mnr. Pietersen, ek neem aan dat u nie terug na die

toilet toe gegaan het nie maar dat u na die vorige getuie

gegaan het, is ek reg, daardie selfde dag? - Ek verstaan nie

wat meneer s~ nie, ek het nie mooi gehoor nie, meneer. (10

Op daardie selfde dag toe u die briewetas na die vorige

getuie geneem het, het u nie terug na daardie toilet gegaan

nie, is ek reg? -- Nee.

U weet nie of ander mense na daardie besondere toilet

gegaan het nie? -- Agter dft?

Agter dft? - Nee, ek kan nie s~ nie.

Het die polisiebeamptes onmiddellik na die Hof toe

gekom, of was dit later gewees dat hulle gelcom het? -- Hulle

was onmiddellik hier gewees.

En die toilet self was nie toegesluit gewees nadat u (20

die briewetas uitgeneem het nie? -- Nee.

So ander mense kon in daBrdie toilet ingegaan het, is

ek reg? -- Ja, dit is nie onmoontlik nie.

Die venster in daardie toilet was dit oopgemaak of

was dit toegesluit of weet u nie? Toe gewees.

Hoekom s~ u so? -- Ja, ons laat altyd daardie vensters

toe , bly.

U neem aan dit was toe maar u weet nie? -- Nee, dit

bly altyd toe, daai ' s nie ope daar onder nie.

Maar u aandag was nie hoofsaakl ik gevestig op d8.ardie (30

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detail nie, is ek reg? -- WeI, Agbare, kyk, daardie vensters

is nooit oop nie.

Ja, maar daardie venster kan oopma.ak? -- Ek kan nie s~

nie.

Daardie venster kan oopgesluit word? -- Ja, hy kan

oopgesluit word maar hy was nie oop nie.

Toe u ingeloop het na die besondere toilet was die

deur toegemaak, oop, of hoe was dit gewees? -- Dit was oop

gewees •

Dit was ••• ? -- Die deur was oop gewees.

het oopgestaan.

Heel oopgestaan? -- Heel bopgestaan.

Die deur

Hoe weet u so? - Ek het na die deur toe gegaan, toe

is die deur oop.

Moes u die deur hoegenaamd nie oopgemaak het nie? --­

Die deur het oop gestaan, wawyd oop.

En daar is ook 'n ander toilet wat ingang gee tot die

toiletkompleks, is ek reg? -- Nee, dit is net daardie een

toilet wat daar in die hoekie is.

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Ja, maar daar is 'n ander deur w~t ingang gee tot (20

ilie toiletkompleks? Daar is ander toilette daar? Ja, maar

daardie toilette kom nie by daardie toilet nie. Daardie

toilets is aan die voorkant.

Ja, maar daar is as't ware 'n ander ••••• ? -- Daar is

nog ander, daax is meer toilette daar, ja. Daar is meer nog .

Ek neero aan dat u toe u daardie brieweta.s gesien het

het gedink iemand het sy briewetas hier gelos en vergeet? -­

Ja, ek het so gedink.

U het dit nie as iets eienaardigs op daardie oomblik

beskou nie? -- Ek het nie.

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GEEN HERVERHOOR .

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(GETUIE VERSKOON)

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A. MELAMENI

MR . MOHAMED : M' Lord , my learned friend wants to call a witness

to say that when he went to the toilet at twenty to eleven

there was no brief case . I admit tha,t and anything else my

learned friend wants about that time.

MR . KAHN: M' Lord, I -accept that. I appreciate my learned

friend ' s admission . (10

ALFRED MELAMENI: (Sworn, states): (INTERPRETED )

EXAMINED BY MR . KAHN:

Alfred, you can speak English? -- No.

Now Alfred you are senior constable in the service of

the Bantu Administration Board and you are stationed at Mufuleni

Location at Ble,ckheath, is that correct?

Have you seen the accused before?

accused in connection with this case.

That is correct.

I first saw the

What de~ did you first encounter the accused and

where and at what time? -- I first saw him during last year (20

when I met him on e. certain morning.

That was the morning of the 16th May, last year, is

tha.t correct? -- Yes.

What time was that? -- It was shortly 'after 6 o'clock

in the morning.

Where did you meet him? -- I found the accused in a

certain room where I arrested him.

What were you doing in the room and why did you arrest

him? -- I was checking the , I was doing my routine work,

checking people who were there without permission, and I (30

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came across the accused.

What drew your attention to the accused? - Vlbat drew

my attention to the accused was something queer. There are

certain types of beds that are used there and the accused

took one bed and put it on top of the other. I viewed that

as being queer. Now I checked on that.

Did you ask the accused about it? Yes.

What did he say? -- When I asked the accused why he

lay on two beds whereas the other people lay on the floor,

his reply to that was, well, the other people never queried (10

anything about it.

And then, what happened then? -- I then a,sleed him

where he worked.

And what did he reply? - He sa.id he worked somewhere

near Cape Town.

Yes, and wha.t did you say to that? - I wantod. him to

show me his reference book and his rent cerd. The accused

produced none of these documents •

And then? - lNhen the accused fa.iled to produce these

two documents I then told him to get dressed and accomp8ny (20

me.

Wbat happened then? - The accused refused to get

dressed and a.ccompany me end as a result there was an

exchange of words between myself and the accused.

What was the exchange about? -- The argument arose as

a result of what the a.ccused told me, and that was "You cannot

axr~st me just because I have no documents. The White

inspectors did not do anything about this".

Yes, and then? - To this I said "r,ian , thi s is my Vlork ,

don 't tell me about these White people". (30

And then? (REPLY ON PAGE 52) Then/ ••••

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--- Then the accueed dreesed himself up. After he dressed

himself up, the accused bent down and pulled a box from between

the two beds.

Did you say a box or a suitcase? --- The accused pulled

out a small suitcase. (WITNESS INDICATES SIZE)

Where "did he pull the small suitcase from? --- From

between the two beds.

Do you remember on which side - it was lying on one

bed with another bed on top of it, the suitcase? --- The

accused was lying on the top bed, and the small suitcase (10

was on top of the bottom bed.

Was it below the accused's head or bel~{ his feet?

The suitcase was nearer the accused's head, in other words

it was below his head. If

MR, MOHAMMED TO COURT: / my learned friend is labouring to it was

find out whether/the accused's SUitcase, I want to say to

him it was.

MR, KAHN TO COURT: That is not the purpose of my questioning.

MR. KAHN TO WITNESS: You say itvns a suitcase below his

head? --- Yes •

Would you recognise this suitca.se if I showed you a

photograph of it? --- Yes.

r want to show you photograph B.4. Which offue suit­

cases is the \", one which he went for? --- Sui tcase P on photo-

graph B.4 • •

Carryon with your story. --- He pulled the suitcase

whilst I was still standing there and pushed it back again.

When the accused pushed back this small suitcase, I then

grabbed hold of him because I thought that he was trying to

get ••••

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WITNESS: I thought the accused was pulling out a weapon •••

MR t MOHAMMED: I object to that. What the witness thought

is not evidence, we want to know what happened.

COURT: It is not really relevant what he thought. We have

heard it now.

MR. MOHAMMED: Yes, but it is not admissable evidence.

MR. KAHN TO WITNESS: After he did that, what did you do?

I grabbed hold of the accused and took him outside the

building and I went away.

Then you took him to the police charge office at Kuils- (10

r i ver where you contacted the police, is that correct? ---

I took the accused to a cell, we have cells there in Black­

heath and from there the accused was conveyed by a White

inspector to Kuilsriver.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS

MR. MOHAMMED APPLIES FOR SHORT ADJOURNMENT

COURT ADJOURN~

ON _ RESUMPTION :

A. MEL~, s.s.s. (INTERPRETED)

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. MOHAMMED: What you were busy with (20

that morning was a pass raid, is that correct? --- Yes, that

is correct.

And you had arrested several people at the hostel for .

not having passes? ---Correct.

In the particular section or room where the accused was,

there were many other -people as well, not so? --- That is correct.

Am you were accompanied on this raid by another official

as well? --- Correct.

Whose name was Dlamini? Correct •

I s he a witness? --- He can be called as a witness because(30

he was threatened with assault.

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There was quite an argument between you and the accused,

witnessed by a lot of people, not so? --- Correct.

The accused was expressing strong resentment that he

was being arrested for being without a pass. --- Correct.

And he was saying to you that ~f you make enquirie~

you will find out that he has permission from ~he Stellen­

bosch municipality, not so? --- Correct.

And then you said you were not interested in what White

people might have told him, you are going to arrest him. ---

Yes •

And he said that you were being offensive and you were passed

trying to bully him and a lot of words/between you, is that

not right? --- Correct.

Then you said, "stop arguing, put your clothes on" and

he started putting on his clothes. --- Correct.

Then you say he went to the suitcase and pushed it back

again. --- He first pulled the suitcase towards himself and

then pushed it back again and after he

And after he pushed it again, you got the extraordinary

idea that he might want to attack you. That is the im-

pression I gained.

That is absolutely ridiculous, isn't it? I put it to

you that that was absolutely ridiculous. How could you have

believed that he was going to take anything out of the sui t­

case, whilst he pushed it back? --- This was not the first . occasion for me to arrest somebody.

But had you ever arrested this man before ? --- No.

Had you ever seen him before? --- No.

So he pulled this suitcase and pushes it back, now I

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want to know why do you now w~nt to get the idea that he is (30

about to attack you with something from inside the suitcase.

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--- It was because I did not know the contents of the suit-

case. a

I want to put it to you that your whole version is/very,

very inaccurate and confused version. I want to put it to

you that you were being officious and bullying. --- Well

that is what the Counsel says, but I do not say that.

I want to put it to you that you were being arrogant

and you were being very, very bureaucratic. --- 1 do not

say that.

Why should you have said to the accus ed, "1 do not (10

care what White people mi ght have told you, you just come. U?

-- It was because the accused would not produce the necessary

documents which would allow him to be there.

I want to put it to you that after a very aggressive

argument with the accused which WIlS witnessed by several

people inside the hostel, you grabbed him b~ .the Bcruff of

his neck, isn't that true? --- 1 admit 1 grabbed hold of the

accused because 1 gained the impression, when he pulled the

suitcase back, that he was arming himself wi¢h something.

You were gaining the impression that he was arming him- (20

self after he put the suitcase back? --- Yes.

NO FURTHER QUEST IONS

NO RE-EXAMlliATI0N BY MR. KAHN

~ES PETRUS FRANCOIS VAN !YXK, v. o. e • . ONDERVRAGING DFlJR MNR. KAHN: U is In speurder adjudant offisier

in die S.A. polisie gestasioneer te Kaapstad en u is verbonde

aan die Veiligheidstak, is dit korrek? --- Korrek.

U is die ondersoekbeampte in hierdie saak? --- Korrek.

Op die 16de Mei 1979 omstreeks ·15hOO is u saam met (30

sp./sers. Basson na die klagte-kantoor te Kuilsrivier, is dit

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korrek? --- Dit is korrek •

Waarom is julIe daarheen? --- Ons het inligting gehad

dat on SWartman daar aangehou word sonder bewysboek.

Wat het daer gebeur? -- Ek het die beslruldigde daar

aangetref. Hy het sy naam aan my verskaf as Bhekizitha

Oliver Nqubelani; die naam het vir my niks beteken nie.

Ek: het In foto by my gehad en ek het die beskuldigde herken

op die foto. Agterop die foto was slegs die naam "Linda".

Op daardie stadium het ek die per soon wie op die foto ver-

skyn het net aanvaar by die naam "Linda". Ek het aan be- (10

skUldigde gevra of hy ook bekend is as Linda. Hy het be­

vestig dat dit so is. Hy het ook bevestig dat dit sy foto

is. Ek het die beskuldigde gewaarsku volgens regtesreels

en hom meegedeel dat ek hom daarvan verdink dat hy as n terroris opgelei is. Hy het my vergesel na die Mfuleni

lokasie. Dear het hy woonstel nr. 63 aan my uitgewys. Ek

het die wonnstel binngegaan. Binne was 10 beddens. Hy

het on bed aan die regterkant in die hoek aan my uit gewys

as sy bed. Die bed was besonder hoog; ek het dit onder-

soek en gevind dat dit in werklikheid twee ysterbeddens is (20

wat opmekaar gestapel was. Die komberse op die boonste bed

het s6 gehang dat dit die onderste bed toemaak, en drt het

dan die indruk geskep dat dit net een bed is. Toe ek die

komberse oplig het ek gevind dat daar drie koffers is. Een

was op die grond, reg onder die beddens en twee tussen die . beddens. Die koffers was verwyder. Eers het ek die een

op di e grond deur so ek •••

V~~r u verder gaan, toe u die kombers opgelig het, het

dit soos BEWYSSTUK B.4, foto B.4 gelyk? Is drt wat u gesien

het? Di t is korrek .

Gaan voort asseblief. --- Ek het eers die koffer wat

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op die grond gestaan het deursoek, daar was net klere in.

Ek het toe die koffer wat by die kop-ent van die bed was,

de:ursoek.

Is dit gemerk 'p'op foto B.4? --- nit is korrek. Dit

het ook net klere bevat, asook n Makrov piatool en twee

magasyne, elk gelaai met agt patrone.

Ek toon 'aan u hierdie Makrov pistool, is d!t die een? .

Di t is korrek.

En hierdie twee magasyne? -- Dit is korrek.

Die pistool" is BENYSSTUK 4.A en die magasyn is BEWYSSTUK(lO

4.B. Korrek.

Was die pistool galasi? --- Nee, die patrone was weI

in die magasyne, maar daar was geen magasyn in die pistool

nie.

Voor ons verder gaan, hierdie pistool is gemaak in Rus-

land, is dit korrek? --- Dit is korrek.

Watter soort Russiese pistook is dit, n militere pistool?

Di t is korrek.

Was die pistool in werkende orde? Ja.

En wat ~n die twee magasyne? --- Die twee magasyne was (20

in werkende toestand. Ek het die patrone uitgehaal en dit

getoets, die magasyne was in werkende toestand. Die patrone

was nog nie afgevuur nie.

Toe het u die ander koffer ook oopgemaak, is dit reg? -­

Die derde koffer ja. Die derde koffer was - in die derde . koffer was n leerband wat normaalweg gebruik word om komberse

mee vas te maak.

~~. ~e derde koffer is gemerk 'M' op BEWYSSTUK B.4, die

foto en ek handig dit in as BWYSSTUK 5 voor die Hof. Is dft

die koffer? Ja. (30

wat is toe in hierdie koffer gevind? --- Die derde koffer

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het oak klerasie bevat. Nadat ek die klerasie uitgepak het,

het ek gevind n slapband Penguin boekie, gemerk "Smart Alec

Q."

Dit is BEWYSSTUK 5.A. Hierdie is die boekie, . u ken dit

uit? Ja.

Watter soort boek is hierdie? Die eerste paar bIad-

sye, asook die Iaaste paar bladsye dui aan dat di~ n gewone

storie-boek is, dit is egter duidelik dat die binnedele ver­

wyder was en vervang was met sketse van plofstof, asook ver-

skeie metodes hoe om plofstof te gebruik, pIofmeganismes, (10

tydmeganismes en ander~ uitgegee deur

die Militere vleuel van die A.N.C., die African National

Congress.

Wat het u verder gevind? Ek het ook n stuk geskenk-

papier gevind met die woorde, "To your engangement", "met

j ou verlowing", daarop.

Ken u di t nou ui t voor die Hof? -- ill t is die stuk

papier nou voor die Hof.

Ek handig di t in as BENYSSTUK 5. B. Wat is verder

gevind? --- Ek het ook n swart nota-boek gevind.

Eerstens n bewysboek?

die beskuIdigde.

Dit is BEWYSSTUK 5.C.

Ja n bewysboek in die naam van

Ken u di t uit? Dit is die

bewysboek nou voor die Hof, met n foto van die beskuIdigde

daarin.

IBn het u n paspoort in die naam van die beskuldigde

wat aantoon dat hy in die eerste helfte van 1978 in Botswana

was J gevind? -- Di tis kor rek •

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Ken u dit uit? --- Dit is reg, dit is n Transkei-paspoort.

Ek handig dit in as B:a'{YSSTUK, S.D. --- Dit het die (30

beskUldigde se fotc daarin. Asook n Transkei reisdokument,

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met die beskuldigde se foto daarin, uitgereik &an ene Linda (? )

Matziza.

Ek handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK 5.E. --- Ek het ook n

Transkei-paspoort daarin gevind met die beSkUldigde se

foto daarin, uitgereik aan ena Linda Matziza.

En dit toon aan dat hy tussen 12/4/79 en 28/4/79 in

Bot swana was? --- Di tis kDrrek.

Ek handig hierdie dokurnent in as BEWYSSTUK 5.F.

Obk ~ internasionale inentingsertifikaat, uitgereik aan

12/4/79 in die naam van L. Matziza.

Dan was daar een swart nota-boek. Di t is korrek.

U handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK 5.H. Korrek. Da.ar

was ook skryfbehoeftes, waaronder n Union skryfblok, nou

voor die Hof. Verskeie van die bladsye is middeldeur ge-

sny.

Ek handig hierdie boek in as BEWYSSTUK 5.:I, en die

ander skryfbehoeftes handig ek in as BEWYSSTUK 5.J. nit

is korrelc.

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En toe? --- AIle klere en dokumente en goed wa.s ui tgepak

uit die koffer uit. Ek het toe opgemark dat die koffer binne(20

besonder vlak is. Ek het hom toe verder ondersoek en ek het

gevind dat hy binne ongeveer 2" vlakker is as bui. t e. Ek het

alles toe ~eer teruggepak in die koff.ar, die klere bo-op, wat

ek vermoed n vals bodem is, en dit is na my kantoor verwyder.

By die kantoor, WB,t het gebeur? -- By die kantoor was

alles we~ uitgepak. Dit is toe gevind dat daar weI n vals

bodem in is. Nadat die vals bodem deeglik ondersoek was

vir plofmeganismes, is die vals bodem verwyder en binne

het ele toe opgemerk dat daar weer goedere is wat baie deeg-

1ik in watte toegepas is.

Foto B.9, is dit hoe dit gelyk het toe die vals bodem

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verVJyder is? --- Korrek.

Wat is daar gevind? Onder die vals bodem Was daar

tien blokkies T.N.T. van 200 gmt elk. Dit was duidelik dat

in die linkerkantse agterhoek plek was vir nog vyf blokkies.

Daar was drie elektriese slagdoppies met ongeveer n meter

elektriese draad aan elk gekoppel. Daar was twee meter vei­

ligheidslont en twee gewone slagdoppies.

Hierdie is B.IO, hierdie foto. --- Dit is korrek.

Die elektriese slagdoppies, hulle is op die foto, die

drie met die blou lont? --- Dit is korrek. Daar is twee (10

gewone slagdoppies, n gefabriseerde plofmeganisme, wat ook

gebruik lean word as 'n toetsmiddel, twee plastiese kapsules.

V~~r ~ns verder gaan, net vir my nommers, daar was eer­

stens een blou-kleurige plastiese snuifdosie met n geel dek­

sel daarop? --- Ja.

Ja.

Met 'die woorde "Super Taxi Snuff"? --- Di t is korrek.

Ek handig dit in as BmVYSSTUK 6.A, u ken dit uit? ---

Inn was daar een stuk soldeersel? --- Dit is korrek.

Dit word aan u getoon, is d!t die een? --- Dit is korrek{20

Ek handig di t in as BWYSSTUK 6.B. Iml was daar hierdie

twee oplosbare kapsules? --- Ja, oranje-kleurig.

U ken dit uit, ek handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK 6.C. --­

Korrek.

Dan was daar een 'volt' battery, u ken dit uit en ek

handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK 6.D. --- Reg.

D:l.n Was daar oon geprakseerde elektriese toestel, wat

as fopmeganisme of toetser gebruik kan word? Ja..

Ek handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK 6.E. DAn een vaal

papiersak, bevattende n hoevee1.heid wit poeier, u ken dit

uit, ek handig dit in as BEWYSSTUK 6.F. --- Ja.

:nan/ ••.•

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