7/2/12 Livestream Chat

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JasonPA: Euphony, it won't blow over until that clique chills out

Euphony: I've seen Vacula talking about it a lot

JasonPA: true

Euphony: I don't follow Watson as much so I'm not sure what she and others sayJasonPA: it makes sense that those directly involved might comment, but yeah even Justiin needs to move

on

Notung: anyone planning on calling in?Godlesscat: If I am in a bar with friends and I get approached , 1 st I say no then I embarass them, then I

go to the manager

CommanderTuvok: Euphony: I thought you hang out at Skepchick. Watson talks about this a lot.Euphony: I said I read her sometimes.

JasonPA: but what is he to do if he's being blacklisted from the movement over this topic? you know?

Euphony: It isn't oftenCommanderTuvok: ok

Notung: i think move on about certain incidents etc. but there is a chronic problem with dogma and

vilification of dissenters etc

Godlesscat: no one is being blacklistedNotung: we can't move on from that

Euphony: Vacula seems as popular as ever, unless I'm mistaken

CommanderTuvok: Vacula is a good guy, badly treated by Lousy CanuckJasonPA: so does Sam Harris, but as an atheist he's still limited access to things

Godlesscat: I have never been sexually harassed in the atheist community at events

Godlesscat: I have been sexually harassed A LOT from other business eventsJasonPA: the other thing was they were calling things sexist that were gross exagerations, but if anybody

challenges that they look like sexists

JasonPA: it's bs

Euphony: I would imagine it's somewhat better at atheist events, though I've never been to oneJasonPA: define sexual harassment and sexist

Godlesscat: someone grabbing me

Godlesscat: someone showing sexual interest and me asking them to stopJasonPA: i hate that so much of this is nuance and difficult to actually discuss

Euphony: Is it possible that some atheist men are defensive about this issue?

Godlesscat: they do not, 3 strike they are out I report themEuphony: But atheist women could have prejudices as well

Euphony: I tend to trust people's experiences and believe them when they say they feel unsafe, but I want

to know whyGodlesscat: everyone is human first

Godlesscat: that may be how they feel but I would have reported it to the hotel

Euphony: I think people should report things.

Euphony: Sometimes their concerns might not be taken seriouslyEuphony: maybe they don't feel safe enough to report it

Euphony: because they wouldn't be taken seriously

Notung: that's unfair - as karla said, she's been making substantial and useful pointsGodlesscat: I have never been at an establishment that did not pay attetion to my concerns

Godlesscat: NEVER

Godlesscat: I could use them if they ignore someone reportingEuphony: I've never been to an event. It could be a possibility at some, but I don't know from experience

Godlesscat: errr sue not use

Euphony: I'm going to sign off for tonight. Lots to think about. Hope we can all get along.


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Notung: nice speaking to you euphony

Godlesscat: Paul is talking next

masakari2012: it's an illusion of safety

Notung: i don't have a problem with policiesNotung: CFI had a good one - i'd go with that one if i had to choose one

Godlesscat: I think the SF that Greta posted was better

Notung: also, it's commonly forgotten that TAM had one last timeGodlesscat: You do need to act depending on the situation

JasonPA: i actually think the code of conduct is a good idea as at least a last resort. It probably shouldn't

be made a big deal and posted all over every mention of the events.JasonPA: it should be background

Notung: i agree

Godlesscat: The venue is responsibleGodlesscat: it's ego

Justicar: Who is on Skype?

Godlesscat: yes it is

Notung: soon events will have to be called The Amazing Meeting in Which Nobody Harasses AnyoneJasonPA: NO TOUCHING!! like Arrested Development

Justicar: Who is it who has called in on Skype? I was on the phone and didn't hear . . .

Godlesscat: Paul is nextJavana: I can't hear the callers either

JasonPA: yeah it's hard

CommanderTuvok: Volume is a bit low on the callers, but I can just make them outNotung: justicar - that was ellenbeth wachs

Notung: now is paul loebe

Justicar: Ahh. Thank you, Notung.

Godlesscat: better :)jason_nepafts: is the caller audio better?

Javana: oh that's much better

jason_nepafts: great!killnine: Hellooo

JasonPA: another issue related to what he's saying, is why does our ommunity attract so many folks who

behave like that in the first place?Godlesscat: I don't I block

Godlesscat: as they are saying.. .people also forget there are real people on the other side

JasonPA: when there's too much of that, it turns away more...mature peopleNotung: hehe

Notung: mentioned

Justicar: How does one get to call in on skype? send them an invite?

Notung: yeah add them as a friend i thinkJasonPA: add them

Godlesscat: yes

Justicar: okJasonPA: ha

JasonPA: my local newspaper's comments are sickening

Godlesscat: this should be discussed at the eventsNotung: this radio thing is far more productive than blogwars

Justicar: It's interesting he says it's anonymity despite the number of people who aren't anonymous.

jason_nepafts: *** Send us an invite at "nepafreethought"


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jason_nepafts: I'll accept you and then you can call

JasonPA: True, Justicar

Justicar: It's just confirmation bias.

Godlesscat: emotionalJasonPA: i don't see Paul Krugman getting into blogwars in the comments section of his blog with

George Will

JasonPA: or at Will'sGodlesscat: Who is Paul Krugman?

Notung: yeah blogs can be good - but face to face usually ups the standard and politeness

JasonPA: nobel prize winning economist writes for NYTGodlesscat: ahhh

JasonPA: i just meant you rarely see mainstream, successful writers getting involved in drama like this

Justicar: Leave my stream alone, sir!JasonPA: did margaret downy call in?

Godlesscat: right

jason_nepafts: can everyone hear the caller okay?

Notung: just aboutCommanderTuvok: a bit low, again

JasonPA: justin is like 3x louder than her

NukleoN: Little quietJasonPA: creating drama when everybody else isn't as outraged as you are and as you WANT them to be

NukleoN: Hey, nobody asked anyone to shove porcupines up orifices yet! What strange land is this?

Notung: heheNukleoN: You can know based on your own past-performance in emergencies

Godlesscat: LOL

NukleoN: That Sagan poster is awesome.

JasonPA: my house is on fire right now, i think i'm handling it pretty rationallyNotung: i've had a porcupine before on pharyngula

NukleoN: Permission to hug, LOL!

Godlesscat: It is clear when I meet someone who is not a huggerNukleoN: Yes, you may approach. Hug initiated. Enjoyment factor=orange alert. Wut?

Notung: "please may I hug you" sort of ruins the moment

NukleoN: ^agreedJusticar: In what sense is there a hierarchy?

NukleoN: Most of us aren't Aspies tho

Notung: my housemate is a D&D womanNukleoN: You men are driving all the women out of D&D conferences! *jk*

NukleoN: Roll for saving throws. Gnoll takes initiative. D20.

JasonPA: socially inexperienced males bumbling their cummincation with socially inexperienced females

(who may not be practiced with receiveing a lot of attention)NukleoN: Yerp. Big Bang Theory. Amy Fara-Fowler

NukleoN: Sheldon Cooper

NukleoN: AWESOME is how we look.JasonPA: not me, jason

Justicar: WHOA

Justicar: remove the guy? for not doing anything wrong?JasonPA: upskirt camera shots isn't wrong?

Javana: I agree is about individuals, not men or women

NukleoN: alleged upskirter, but was he really taking upskirt shots?


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Javana: Now it's time to sing the Atheist Air Hug ?

Justicar: Security investigated: no evidecne has been presented he took a picture up someone's skirt.

NukleoN: Removing someone might just be a first step, as a precaution. Was he barred from the rest of

the conference? Don't know.JasonPA: then what happened?

NukleoN: My gramma hates atheism

NukleoN: So, my gramma can suck itJusticar: And then they let him go and he finished the conference I am told.

JasonPA: "don't be the old guy in the club" - dave chappelle

Notung: hmm the video has stopped for meJasonPA: vide froze for me

NukleoN: Grandmothers are not a good gauge

masakari2012: The rumor was started that he was taking upskirt photos because he had a cameraextension, but he didn't take any such pictures

NukleoN: I heard that too, Masa

JasonPA: if it didn't happen, then great

Notung: it was practically libelNukleoN: But still, the allegation can be investigated until it's discovered what really was going on

masakari2012: he was told to put his camera away while on the casino floor, and that was it for the

camera issueGodlesscat: what about grandma?

Notung: because he was named at one stage

NukleoN: I see a lot more issues with cameras on poles in casinos than upskirtingNukleoN: or, issues the casinos might address

jason_nepafts: Thanks it gets compliments every live broad cast

Godlesscat: where is it?

Godlesscat: city?JasonPA: this pocast is being produced in the Belagio in Las Vegas Nevada

NukleoN: *Bellagio

NukleoN: What are your thoughts about the cricism of D.J. Grothe?NukleoN: Criticism even

Notung: it was unfair

Notung: he's a good guyJasonPA: i mentioned it on Justin's fb page

NukleoN: Cool, and yeah, I think it was unfair too

Justicar: Thanks, ma'am and sir.JasonPA: i agree with Notung

Notung: nice show - cheers

NukleoN: Vielen Dank

CommanderTuvok: Thanks for the show. Plenty of interesting and civil views.NukleoN: Thanks for the utter lack of porcupines

Notung: hehe

NukleoN: :DNotung: come to ERV!

JasonPA: what is ERV?

NukleoN: I like ERV and Abbie Smith is cooGodlesscat: what is ERV?

Notung: scienceblogs.com/erv

JasonPA: thank YOU, justin


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Javana: Now it's time to sing the Atheist Air Hug ?

NukleoN: I might do that

Notung: we all chat in the periodic table of swearing thread

NukleoN: heheGodlesscat: ^HUGS

Notung: i warn you, we have an absolutely terrible reputation

jason_nepafts: Thanks everyone!!!!masakari2012: Here's that exact link...

masakari2012: http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2011/11/26/periodic-table-of-swearing/comment-page-

102/#commentsNotung: thanks for the podcast!

CommanderTuvok: Apparently, we are all evil.

CommanderTuvok: Anyway, I'm off bed. Night.JasonPA: stop

JasonPA: stop

NukleoN: AMG

JasonPA: i am notNotung: i listen to it every hour of every day

jason_nepafts: LOL

NukleoN: Better than a Christian side hugNukleoN: See you all!

Notung: nice chatting with you all!

NukleoN: Aye!jason_nepafts: This with be available in our VIdeo-On-Demand section soon.

JasonPA: does this play on a 24 hr loop?

Javana: Bye everyone

jason_nepafts: Ok its available in the VOD at nepafreethought.org/livestream

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7/2/12 Livestream Chat