Hey all, looks like a working anomoly with the traffic tickets
run through a court.In September I received a couple of minor
speeding tickets from a roadside police 4 wheel drive with the
automatic radarcamera. Was of a night time with hardly any
travellers, no other cars seen in photo.I settled it using
conditional acceptance and accepted as value. I have heard rumours
about the conditional acceptancebut it may have been the quality of
my paper work at the time (quality has since improved).
As Rob Menard says "accepted as value makes more sense than
accepted for value". Heck - why not chuck both in therereinforce
your point!Here's how I handled it to zero the account:Seen a flash
from the roadside 4 wheel driveReceived the ticket in the mailSent
a letter of conditional acceptanceReceived a letter from the
traffic camera office saying they note I wish to contest the matter
and will issue a courtsummons.Registered post documents arrive at
post office for my strawman collection (mail directed at strawman -
it's a trap -criminal offence to take strawman's registered mail).
Refused to collect the letters from the post office as I'm not
thatperson (strawman).Receive notification from State Penalties
Enforcement Registry saying the matter has been heard in the court
and here'sthe order (order? - give 'em a bill like a drive through
fast food!). Note: no l icense points were mentioned but the fine
wasincreased.I go to court off ice with the paperwork to find out
some more see if there actually is an order signed by the
magistrate -court office can't produce any such document.I get a
photo copy of the court summons for my own record.I hand the court
orders from SPER with the accepted as value writing on it *more on
this below*Two weeks later I rang up SPER asking what's going on
and that I've paid the orders. They said the fine is
outstanding.They make further threats and offer a remedy to take
the matter up with the court and will refrain from threats while
ever Isort out the matter. I mentioned about talking to someone
higher up (such as the treasurer) or with the police to settle
andclose the matter they said that's ok.I then ring up the court
the guy in the office says there are no outstanding fines for that
name and to inform SPER of thecourt status.Will contact SPER in the
morning in business hours to let them know that there is no
outstanding balance and for SPER tocheck with the court. You may
also want to consider using superannuation funding to close any
cases - you can't touchthat money but its your strawmans and it may
not necessarily be there or be as valueable when you retire!That's
my experience with it so far!
Accepted as value: write everything with a red pen diagonally
across the page on the offer and again on the tearawaypayment slip
section (total two copies of writing), with anything in brackets
omitted:Accepted as value / accepted for value and returned for
value as consideration for settlement and closure of the
account
Signed:Date:
[tax file number]Hand it in at the court office. If office
worker seems confused, tell them to hand it to someone higher up.
The office workermay insist they don't know what to do with the
document but insist they hand it to someone superior. Superior
stamps itand says they will file it. Office worker says I'll hear
back from SPER.Since there is no real money in circulation to
extinguish the debt (you can't pay a debt with a debt!) you can use
justaboutanything to pay! You are effectively giving them a
(promissory note) promise to pay in gold / silver when real
currencybecomes available.Your tax file number is just a customer
reference number between your strawman (which you bring to life
during taxtime) and the tax office.
7/30/2019 Accepted as Value Info
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There may be an increase in arrogance and tyranny at the moment
due to war and new world order games so neverargue and use the
accepted as value to pay - they may only want numbers circulating
at the end of the day whether itsyour earned numbers (money out of
your paycheck) or your written numbers (accepted as value). I
believe the samewould go for the tax office. You don't really want
to be feeding the beast that destroys but silence / playing along
with thebeast is consent too!I have found that the police (issuing
party), courts, SPER (admit to being a debt collector function
only), QLD Transport(recording / collection function for f ines /
licenses), are all different entities!If you want to learn some
more about law basics, check out Rob Menard's "Bursting Bubbles Of
Government Deception"and "The Magnificent Deception". Has some
Canada specific acts but generic content applies anywhere.Hope this
is of some help,
Andrew
Recent final outcome:
The fines mentioned above, I was only asked to pay the court
costs. The fines were no longer there. I simply paid thecourt costs
for a bit of convenience, and due to my error in paperwork at the
time..
