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Newsletter of the Agricultural Writers SA - May 2018 | Nuusbrief van die Landbouskrywers SA - Mei 2018

May │ Mei 2018

Agri SA Launches Water Desk

On 3 May 2018 Agri SA announced that that it had formally launched a dedicated Water Desk that will focus on the need to ensure equitable access to water for farmers across South Africa. This initiative is in response to a host of external challenges facing agricultural water users, including severe drought, climate change and under-maintained infrastructure. The situation is all the more urgent given several policy proposals that may simultaneously increase the cost of water while reducing the availability to agricultural users.

The Agri SA Water Desk will, amongst other things, focus on water policy and legislative proposals such as the draft National Water and Sanitation Master Plan and the National Water Resource Strategy. The current amendments to the National Water Act, for example, will determine the cost of water for agricultural users, which is why it is necessary to engage with government and other key stakeholders from the start to work towards a fair outcome.

The Agri SA Water Desk will also give inputs to the Water Research Commission (WRC) on research priorities and will act as a forum for top water experts to share their insights in a meaningful way.

Agri SA Loods Watersentrum

Agri SA het sy toegewyde Watersentrum vandag geloods wat gaan fokus op die prioriteit om regverdige toegang tot water vir Suid Afrikaans boere te verseker. Hierdie inisiatief is in reaksie op die verskeidenheid uitdagings wat landbou-watergebruikers in die gesig staar, wat uiterste droogte, klimaatsverandering en water-infrastruktuur wat nie behoorlik in stand gehou is nie, insluit. Die situasie is soveel meer dringend gegewe verskeie beleidsvoorstelle wat gelyktydig die koste van water kan verhoog terwyl die beskikbaarheid verlaag word.

Die situasie is soveel meer dringend gegewe verskeie

beleidsvoorstelle wat gelyktydig die koste van water kan verhoog

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Die Agri SA Watersentrum sal ondermeer op water-beleid en wetgewende voorstelle soos die Nasionale Water en Sanitasie Meesterplan en die Nasionale Water Hulpbron Strategie fokus.

Die huidige wysigings aan die Nasionale Waterwet sal byvoorbeeld die koste van water vir landbougebruikers bepaal, wat wys hoekom dit nodig is om met die regering en ander belanghebbendes van die begin af te skakel om na ‘n regverdige resultaat te werk.

Die Agri SA Watersentrum sal ook insette tot die Water Navorsingskommissie (WRC) op navorsingprioriteite lewer en sal as forum optree vir top waterkundiges om hul insigte in a betekenisvolle manier te deel.

Die Agri SA Watersentrum sal gelei word deur Janse Rabie, ‘n omgewingsprokureur en Hoof van Agri SA se Natuurlike Hulpbronne Sentrum van Uitnemendheid en Gregory Smith, a water-wetenskaplike.

“Die Agri SA Watersentrum gaan ‘n eenstop-sentrum vir Agri SA lede wees, waar hulle tydige informasie en advies op alles water-verwant kan kry,” het Janse Rabie gesê.

“Gegewe die kompleksiteit van water-regte en die snelveranderende beleidsomgewing, glo ons dat ‘n toegewyde Watersentrum die beste manier is om landbou-watergebruikers op hede te bly op alle regsontwikkelinge wat ‘n impak kan hê op die manier wat hulle boer en besigheid doen.”

“Agri SA is op die voorpunt van wetgewende en beleidsontwikkeling rakende die water-sektor in Suid Afrika. Agri SA poog om die regering en sleutelspelers in hierdie fundamentele area in samewerking en goeie navorsing-insigte te ondersteun,” het Dan Kriek, President van Agri SA gesê.

Agri SA nooi sy lede en ander belangstellende groepe om kontak met die Agri SA Watersentrum te maak om uit te vind hoe hulle betrokke kan raak.

NavraeJanse Rabie

(Hoof Natuurlike Hulpbonne)074 451 9601Gregory Smith

(Navorsingsassistent)084 214 1151

The Agri SA Water Desk will be led by Janse Rabie, an environmental lawyer and Head of Agri SA’s Natural Resources Centre of Excellence and Gregory Smith, a water scientist.

“The Agri SA Water Desk will be a one-stop-shop for Agri SA members, where they can get up to date information and advice on all things water-related,” said Janse Rabie. “Given the complexity of water rights and the fast-changing policy environment, we believe that a dedicated Water Desk is the best way to enable agricultural water users to stay abreast of all legal developments which will have an impact on the way they farm and do business.”

“Agri SA is at the forefront of legislative and policy development regarding the water sector in South Africa. Agri SA strives to support government in this fundamental area through collaboration with key stakeholders and timely and well-researched inputs to policy development,” said Dan Kriek, President of Agri SA.

Agri SA invites its members, and interested parties, to contact the Agri SA Water Desk to find out how they can get involved.

QueriesJanse Rabie

(Head of Natural Resources)074 451 9601Gregory Smith

(Research Associate)084 214 1151

The Agri SA Water Desk will be led by Janse Rabie, an

environmental lawyer and Head of Agri SA’s Natural Resources

Centre of Excellence and Gregory Smith, a water scientist.

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June

FW Tour to AgriTech Show, Tel Aviv, Israel 6 – 10 June (Closing on 15 April)

June Agbiz Congress

7 – 8 June 2018

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FW Tour to Argentina22 June – 01 July 2018. (Closing 30 May)

Sheep Courses in 2018The Veeplaas Intensive Sheep productions course, a partnership between Plaas Media (Veeplaas and Stockfarm), Mamre Dormers and the Faculty of Agriculture of the University of the Free State will present three courses during 2018.

During the course the focus will be on the four factor plan and will include facilities, health, nutrition and financnial aspects. For more information please visit www.agriorbit.com

July

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31 June – 01 JulyRoyal Show, Pietermaritzburgh, Kwa-Zulu Natal

Sheep Course18 – 19 JulyPort Elizabeth, Eastern Cape

July

12th FW AGRIBUSINESS AFRICA CONFERENCE 2018 18 – 19 July 2018 at Emperors Palace (Final payment: 13 July 2018)

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ALFA 201818 – 20 September 2018Afridome, Paryswww.alfaexpo.com

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Produce Marketing Association Fresh Connections Conference and Trade Show, CSIR 15 – 16 Aug

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FW and Mpumalanga Show, Nelspruit Farmer`s Conference31 August 2018

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FW Livestock Tour to SOMMET DE L`ELEVAGE show 1 – 5 October 2018Clermont Ferrand, South of France (Deadline 4 September)

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Agricultural Writers SA North – Farmer of the Year awards event19 October

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2018 Agricultural Writers SA Farmer, Agriculturist and New Entrant into Commercial Agriculture16 November

2018 Landbouskrywers SA se Boer, Landboukundige en Nuwe Toetreder tot Kommersiële Landbou16 November

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The annual meeting for members of the Agricultural Writers SAat Anura in the Western Cape.17 November 2018

Die jaarvergadering vir lede van Landbouskrywers SA by Anura in die Wes-Kaap. 17 November 2018

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MEDIA InvITATIon

Farmer`s Weekly AgriBusiness Africa Conference

18 & 19 July 2018MEDIA & Agricultural Journalists

Farmer`s Weekly herewith invites you to attend the 12th Agribusiness Africa Conference on 18 & 19 July 2018 at Emperors Palace.

Click on the link: https://www.farmersweekly.co for your complimentary MEDIA registration. This invitation includes the Gala Dinner on Day 1, Wednesday 18 July 2018.

Please confirm your attendance.

Visit www.farmersweekly.co.za /Agribusiness Conference for more information on the speakers and program topics.

The Conference Program will be available on request.

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Kobus Steenekamp, MD, Monsanto South Africa was one of the panel members during this discussion and shared with the audience his excitement on the fascinating happenings, now and in the future regarding technology. He said that Monsanto has helped farmers in South Africa for the past 50 years by bringing them the best technology available, enabling farmers to produce more in order to feed the ever growing population of the world.

Looking to the future, Kobus stated that most of the technologies that will take us to 2035 and beyond will be disruptive technologies. It

Kobus Steenekamp - agriculture in 2035 and beyond

Looking forward to 2035, nation in Conversation asked the question on

Thursday 17 May: “How will new technology change

the face of agriculture as we know it today?”

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The discussion was facilitated by Pieter Geldenhuys on the far left. He is the founder and director of the Institute for Technology Strategy and Innovation aligned with North West University. The members of the panel were from left to right Wynand Malan – Vodacom,

Tavonga Alex Siyavora – Product Manager John Deere, Jaco Minnaar – Chairman Grain SA and commercial farmer and Kobus Steenekamp – MD Monsanto SA.

Monsanto has helped farmers in South Africa for the past 50 years by bringing them the best

technology available

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Jaco Minnaar – Chairman Grain SA and commercial farmer and Kobus Steenekamp – MD Monsanto SA.

will phase out certain processes and phase out certain skills. It will be imperative for both input suppliers as well as producers, to upskill.

Up to now technology trends focussed on higher productivity, pesticides and herbicides. Newer technologies include exciting developments in the gene editing field.

Genome editing techniques

can be used to make small

changes, similar to mutations

but more precisely, to disrupt, correct or modify gene activity.

The potential of genome editing is wide-ranging - it can be used to treat or eradicate diseases, develop pest resistant, high- yielding, environmentally adapted crops and livestock, nutritionally enhanced foods and much, much more.

Kobus reminded the audience that with Bayer’s acquisition of Monsanto two leaders in the technology and agricultural space will become one. Together they promise to keep all farmers, commercial and small-scale on top of relevant technology developments.

He believes that future technology is absolutely crucial to move both commercial and small-scale farmers into the future. He added that technology has the potential to

incrementally increase the output of small-scale farmers and compared hand-weeding with mechanised methods to illustrate.

According to Kobus Steenekamp, South African farmers rank under the best farmers in the world, if not the best! He said that it is for the company a privilege to play a role in ensuring that farmers in our country produce more, with less and in a sustainable manner.

For more information and the high-resolution photographs csontact

Magda du Toit on [email protected]

Compiled and distributed by: Hanlie du Plessis

[email protected]

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Die MPO maak gereed om aan te sluit by nagenoeg 80 lande wêreldwyd om ’n glasie te klink op melk en melkprodukte wanneer Wêreldmelkdag 2018 op 1 Junie gevier word.

Sedert die eerste Wêreldmelkdag wat in 2001 gevier is, het hierdie geleentheid gegroei tot een

van die belangrikste geleenthede op die suiwelkalenders van 77 lande wêreldwyd. Verlede jaar is #Worldmilkday oor 72 uur in 77 lande by 583 verskillende geleenthede gevier om hulde te bring aan ’n produk wat soveel meer is as die som van sy talle voedingskomponente – melk!

Die waarde van melk en melkprodukte as deel van ŉ gesonde leefstyl is gevier deur aktiwiteite soos:

• spesiale etes met net suiwelprodukte op die spyskaart;

• besoeke aan melkplase deur skoolkinders;

• fotokompetisies om die mees fotogeniese melkkoei te kies;

• donasies van suiwelprodukte aan welsynsinstansies;

• aanbiedings deur voedingkundiges oor belangrike feite omtrent melk en melkprodukte;

• video’s van melkboere wat deelneem aan gemeenskapsontwikkelingsprojekte; en

Raise a glass to wholesome milk!WoRLD MILK DAy

2018The MPO is preparing to join nearly 80 countries worldwide in drinking a toast to milk and milk products when World Milk Day 2018 is celebrated on 1 June.

Since the first World Milk Day which was celebrated in 2001, this event has developed into one of the highlights on the dairy calendars of 77 countries. Last year, #Worldmilkday was celebrated over a time span of 72 hours in 77 countries at 583 different events to pay tribute to a product that is so much more than the sum of its many nutrients – milk!

The value of milk and milk products in a healthy lifestyle was celebrated through activities such as:

• special meals with only dairy products on the menu;

• school visits to dairy farms;• photo contests such as one to select the

most photogenic dairy cow;• donations of dairy products to welfare

organisations; • communication by nutritionists to share

the important nutritional facts about milk and dairy products;

• videos with dairy farmers working on a development project; and

• physical fitness events fuelled by dairy.

Klink ’n glasie op voedsame melk!

WêRELDMELKDAg 2018

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• geleenthede vir fisieke fiksheid met suiwel as brandstof en hersteldrankie.

veelsydig en voedsaamDie moderne verbruiker beskou suiwel nie meer net as ’n belangrike voedingstof in sy daaglikse dieet nie, maar as ’n noodsaaklikheid om ’n gesonde leefstyl in ’n gejaagde samelewing te handhaaf. Suiwel word deesdae in gerieflike enkelporsiehouers verpak wat dit ideaal maak vir ’n gesonde, voedsame drafstap-maaltyd of snoephappie – van jogurt vir ontbyt in die motor op pad werk toe tot ’n gegeurde melkie in ’n skoolkosblik of sportsak.

Brandstof en hersteldrankie vir sportluiSportmanne en -vroue wêreldwyd gebruik melk en melkprodukte toenemend as ’n energieryke brandstof om vinniger van sportbeserings te herstel, te help met spierbou, en as ’n hersteldrankie ná intensiewe oefensessies. Volgens die Amerikaanse span wat aan die 2018 Olimpiese Winterspele deelgeneem het, is ’n groot deel van die span se wenresep die feit dat melk deel is van hulle oefenprogram. Boonop word hierdie “kragtige” voedingstof elke dag as deel van die oefenprogramme by Amerikaanse Olimpiese oefensentrums aan atlete bedien.

viets en gesondVerskeie internasionale studies het reeds bewys dat die voedingsamestelling van melk, maas en jogurt help om die risiko van hoë bloeddruk, kardiovaskulêre siektes, en diabetes te verlaag. Die kalsium in suiwelprodukte speel ’n belangrike rol in die regulering van liggaamsmassa en daarom word selfs hoëvet-suiwelprodukte toenemend ingesluit op dieetspyskaarte. Die kalsium in melk, maas en jogurt is hoogs bio-beskikbaar en lewer ’n aansienlike bydrae tot beendigtheid. Die rol wat suiwelprodukte speel in ’n gesonde verouderingsproses en die voorkoming van osteoporose word ook wêreldwyd erken.

versatile and nutritiousModern consumers no longer consider dairy only as an important nutrient in their daily diet but see it as a necessity in maintaining a healthy lifestyle

in a fast-paced society. Dairy is served in convenient single serving packaging which makes it ideal for a healthy, nutritious on-the-go meal or snack – from yogurt for breakfast in the car on the way to work to flavoured milk in a school lunchbox or sports bag.

Fuel and recovery drink for sportSportsmen and -women around the globe are increasingly using milk and dairy products as fuel, for faster recovery from injuries, to help with muscle building and as a recovery drink after intensive training sessions. According to Team USA who participated in the 2018 Winter Olympics, a great deal of their success can be attributed to the fact that milk is part of their training programme. Furthermore, the powerhouse nutrient is served daily to athletes at American Olympic training centres.

Lean and healthyA large number of international peer review papers clearly illustrate that the nutrient composition of milk and milk products helps to lower the risk of hypertension, cardiovascular disease and diabetes.

The calcium in dairy products plays an important role in regulating body weight, which is why even high-fat dairy products are increasingly being included in the menus of weight loss programmes.

The calcium in dairy products is highly bio-available and makes a significant contribution to bone density. The role of dairy products in a healthy ageing process and the prevention of osteoporosis is acknowledged globally.

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What the MPo is planningThe value of dairy products in a healthy lifestyle will be celebrated this year by the MPO through the following activities:

• A media campaign to create awareness of the versatility of dairy.

• Promoting milk as a sports drink in collaboration with Milk SA’s Consumer Education Project at Crossfit Radium in Centurion and distributing milk sponsored by Clover.

• Two school visits in KwaZulu-Natal by dairy farmers to emphasise the importance of dairy for healthy, active and smart children and distribute UHT milk sachets sponsored by Orange Grove Dairy to each pupil.

Join the MPo in raising a glass to milk on 1 June!

Wat die MPo beplanDie MPO vier vanjaar die waarde van suiwelprodukte in ’n gesonde lewenstyl deur die volgende aktiwiteite:

• ŉ Mediaveldtog om bewustheid te kweek van die veelsydigheid van melk.

• Die bevordering van melk as ŉ sportdrankie in samewerking met Melk SA se Verbruikersopvoedingsprojek by Crossfit Radium in Centurion en die verspreiding van melk wat deur Clover geborg word.

• Twee skoolbesoeke in KwaZulu-Natal deur melkboere om die belangrikheid van suiwel vir gesonde, aktiewe, slim kinders te beklemtoon en om sakkies UHT-melk wat deur Orange Grove Dairy geborg word, aan elke leerder uit te deel.

Sluit by die MPo aan op 1 Junie en klink ŉ glasie op melk!

Vir navrae skakel Karen Grobler, skakelbestuurder by 082 774 7008.

www.mpo.co.za

For enquiries, phone Karen Grobler, public relations manager, at 082 774 7008.

www.mpo.co.za

Professor Thuli Madonsela was recently the guest speaker at the

annual congress of the Oranjerivier Agricultural Union. She shared an

important perspective on South Africa in its current state and our successes and failures. Koos du Pisanie of AgriOrbit

spoke to Madonsela following her presentation and had a few questions

for her about SA’s democratic success, the role of civil society and keeping

hope. Listen to the conversation below. Scan the QR code to listen to the

interview.

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Inmemoriam

Die gentleman van landbou groet

Dit is met hartseer dat Landbouskrywers

SA hierdie maand eer wil betoon aan Schalk Pienaar wat vroeër die maand oorlede is. Baie van ons lede het

Schalk leer ken as ‘n bekwame

leierfiguur binne landbou wat nooit

geskroom het om sy kennis te deel of met

joernaliste te gesels nie. Ons sal Schalk onthou vir die kalm manier waarop hy gesprekke en vergaderings gelei het, sy insig in gespreksonderwerpe en veral vir sy taalvaardigheid.

Schalk was vir jare betrokke by Suidwes Landbou en het later jare ‘n groot rol gespeel om georganiseerde landbou verder uit te brei en te verstewig.

Schalk het in verskeie leierskaprolle gedien binne georganiseerde landbou onder meer as lid van Vrystaat Landbou se uitvoerende bestuur, asook binne die landbou-waardeketting, insluitend Suidwes Beleggings, Premier Foods en die Graantrust. Schalk het teen tyde van sy afsterwe as Voorsitter van Agbiz gedien.

Bekende landbouman groet na lang siekbed

Lullu de Jager, die afgetrede hoofbestuurder van Vrystaat Landbou, is die maand in Bloemfontein in die hospitaat oorlede na ‘n maand se versorging in die hospital. Lullu was ‘n bekende figuur in die Landbou oor jare.

Landbouskrywers SA dink aan die families wat agterbly en hoop dat hulle troos sal vind in die wete dat hul geliefdes ‘n groot bydrae gelewer het tot Landbou en die samelewing.

Die afgelope maand het ons met hartseer verneem van die afsterwe van twee groot figure in die Suid-Afrikaanse Landbou.

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“Dit is met leedwese wat ons verneem van die afsterwe van oom Lullu de Jager. Hy was ’n groot gees in die landbou en die man wat Vrystaat Landbou (VL) se Jongboer-komitee begin het.”

Só het Gerhard Kriel, Hoof Uitvoerende Beampte van VL, gesê nadat De Jager (79) op 8 Mei 2018 oorlede is.

“Hy het ’n groot impak gemaak en sy lewe aan landbou toegewy. Ons sal hom mis.”

De Jager, wat vanaf 1984 tot 1999 Hoofbestuurder van VL was, was die laaste tyd in die hospitaal nadat hy op 15 April 2018 ’n noodoperasie weens bloeding op die brein ondergaan het. Hy het die laaste paar jaar ook aan kanker gely.

“Wat oom Lullu spesiaal gemaak het, is sy absolute toewyding om jonger mense in die organisasie (VL) ’n kans en ’n plek te gee en hulle te ontwikkel,” het Dan Kriek, President van Agri SA en voormalige President van VL, gesê.

“Dit het hy gedoen deur die Jongboer-komitee, maar hy het dit baie verder as dit gevat. Hy het aan jonger landbouers ’n gelyke plek gegee saam met die seniors. Hy het aan hulle relevansie en geleenthede gegee.”

Al was hy afgetree, was De Jager steeds by landbou betrokke. Hy het ondanks sy siekte nog op 12 April 2018 VL se Jongboer-konferensie, met die tema Gesamentlike Boerdery, in Bloemfontein bygewoon.

oom Lullu het sy lewe aan landbou

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‘oom Lullu’ devoted his life to

agriculture“It is with sadness that we received the news of oom Lullu de Jager’s death. He was a legendary figure in agriculture and the man who started the Free State Agriculture (FSA) Young Farmer Committee.”

That is according to Gerhard Kriel, Chief Executive Officer of FSA, after De Jager (79) passed away on 8 May 2018.

“He made a huge impact and devoted his life to agriculture. We will miss him dearly.”

De Jager, who was General Manager of FSA from 1984 to 1999, was hospitalized after having undergone emergency surgery on the brain on 15 April 2018. He also suffered from cancer the past few years.

“What made oom Lullu special was his absolute commitment to giving young people in the organization (FSA) a chance and a place to develop,” said Dan Kriek, President of Agri SA and former President of FSA.

“He did this through the Young Farmer committee, but he took it beyond that. He gave younger farmers a similar place as the seniors. He gave them relevance and opportunities.”

Even though he was retired, De Jager was still involved in agriculture. Despite his illness, he for instance attended the FSA Young Farmer Conference, with the theme Joint Farming, in Bloemfontein on 12 April 2018.

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Hy was ook die groot dryf agter VL se gedenkboek, wat met die organisasie se 100-jarige bestaan uitgegee is. Dit is in 2004 op VL se jaarlikse kongres met die begin van die eeufeesvieringe bekendgestel.

Vir media navrae, kontak Francois Wilken, President van Vrystaat Landbou,

by 083 390 1831 of Gerhard Kriel, Hoof Uitvoerende Beampte van Vrystaat Landbou, by 082 050 1444

He was also the driving force behind FSA’s memorial book, which was published with the organization’s 100th anniversary. It was launched in 2004 at the FSA’s annual congress at the start of the centenary celebrations.

For media enquiries, contact Francois Wilken, President at Free State Agriculture,

at 083 390 1831 or Gerhard Kriel, Chief Executive Officer at Free State Agriculture, at 082 050 1444

Lullu de Jager, voormalige Hoofbestuurder van Vrystaat Landbou

(VL), was steeds ná sy aftrede betrokke by landbou en het in April nog die VL Jongboer-konferensie in Bloemfontein

bygewoon. Van links is Dr Jack Armour, Bedryfsbestuur van VL, De Jager,

Hettie, De Jager se vrou, Boet Wilken, Voorsitter van VL se Jongboer-komitee,

en Johann van Graan, Bestuurder: Finansies en Administrasie by VL, by die

Jongboer-konferensie. Foto: 3’kie’s Fotografie

Lullu de Jager, former General Manager at Free State Agriculture (FSA), was still involved in agriculture after his retirement and in April still attended the FSA Young

Farmer Conference in Bloemfontein. From left are, Dr Jack Armour, Operations

Manager at FSA, De Jager, Hettie, De Jager’s wife, Boet Wilken, Chairman of the FSA Young Farmer Committee, and Johann van Graan, Manager: Finance

and Administration at FSA, at the recent Young Farmer Conference.

Photo: 3’kie’s Photography

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WHAT TO EXPECT AT THIS YEAR’S CONFERENCETheme 2018: Partnerships for equitable trade

Panel Discussions day 1:Session 1: Who owns the value in the agriculture value chain?

Session 2: The missing middle in agriculture

Session 3: Towards a fairer, freer and friendlier trading environment

Panel Discussions day 2:Session 4: Sustainable food systems: trading fairly, ethically and profitably

List of speakers available online.

18 & 19 JULY 2018Emperors Palace

Johannesburg, South Africa

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Agri SA Loods Agri SA Launches Watersentrum Water Desk · 1 – 5 October 2018 Clermont Ferrand, South of France ... Conversation asked the question on ... will phase out certain