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BETWEEN:

Cour File No 2010-3660(

TAX COURT OF CNA

1726437 ONTARO C. OIA TECOLOGESAppellan

and

HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN

Repondent

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TESTMONY OF YASHVANT SGH PARMARH BEFORE THE HONOUBLE USTCE HOGAN

a he Federal Judicial Cene, 4h Floor Courroom C 80 Queen Sree WesToono Otaio

on Friday une 8 202 at 943 am

APPEARANCES

Ms. Jule Bond

Chrisophe Bartlet

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Ms Robea ColomboMs. Deboah Edehors

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d w g m

eleuniai n n e daa Mai nl e daa

w w eng dne ee aa anmi in

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deelpd wed f e nernainl Spe

ain gm. wed e eleial,

l i nl and wkg wi mancal

enginee .

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gnal, n Alld igl wa ld and ame

Hnwll .

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pii

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Q . Wha id u d yem

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cam hae u eewed

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rvg tm f r W u s g t ,

ht d u m tht

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md wr mt th urmts f th om

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r g fr gt

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stgt fur f scc d tchg

ms f xmt s s t ht s

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ws th rs r r rg ths r rt .

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tee rtng t e r te vt

v te tem on y

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te te o e lmnt ng te lm

veblly, evewng oent t tey t te

te v ng te l ty n eqe tng ny

on nrtn, e re t mke o

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t e Vt Tt eon t e v t ?

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ppellnt l

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oent btte fter te rt te vt n

fter te seon te vt

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revewng te oent btte b te ppellnt?

A pent bot two week or

te r t ne tere n te tr one pent

wen reeve t er te oents -- one

we ek for tt prpo e n tot tree wee

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o or report . n te rt prgrp or

report refer to tnr engneerng prte '

n n prtl r t

e expne te erene

between tnr engneerng

prtes or te opn n

elgbe tvte ner

progr As re

Wt o e b nr

engneerng pre?

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s wen opn esgne pro or prove

te estng prots b sng te kwn knowege

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oer eer e deg , d ey re

g e koedge ey e e e d, d

ey e e expereed people o do

e oer d, e e re

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ed o expl e e p o

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e oe g ly d ere e

y e dy ee & eg doe e

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deope e ye ego ed

ed ee d eology by e

epere y or e prpoe o

eg e r elogl dee

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peo y o oe epereo

order o ee e re or de e

eogy, oped e degg

prod or prg e pod ed o e

koedge ey redy e e ed

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epereo d dre yo o e or

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end ine Th hav es daa each ,

u n an eimnal daa . " Wha is hedi ence een s daa and imna d aa

A . In case a sing, i is

esing h design validaing h desi gn n

siml ds , dign a en ie in lue

in, i se ha a he end my design, ds

i i u n Tha ay hav vaidad

ha my dign cd as, ad i i ding h

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eimenain is - - he ucme ha I am

ing d i unnn a h m . he a a

nm va a s n h sys tm in he d

hen m dsigning i . h havi hse

eeimens he ul changing in he

va ia culd e sul d in is n n

ha is hy d an eeimen

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ss daa, n mus g in h and ana

ha inman

T C E GAN am n s

hee is a ig dieence inin een he

es n ms h diniin ha is

ha i n S& ss he A

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hn ha hang l s ened

he he epe wha a neesed n

heang yu he he epe es e hee

wee hee hngs ha wee pan n hs

p e c whc h he desces as a pj ec ne was

n se ne was sac pessue, sac pessue

eng ensue un y hea clng n a

wn hus e and he hd was space Mang sue

ha he un was a space and ce usng a

heang suce he han us a dedcaed heang

su ce eng ale use a ced hea ng

sce

n yu ep yu sy ha nse

quales he nse edcn eleen whch u

hae caeg e as eng a sepaae sdy, f yu

l e My s ques n ha a neesed n

s : D yu hae es a whle sse e ale

ge u he nse eel

F eaple yu change he

que he whch s n he aseen and

yu hae changed he d se and y hae pu

hles n he ppe wldn yu hae es a

whle syse ae se ha des pe ae

yu change j s ne pec and yu succeed n

changng ha ne pece u hen yu change he

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hig o aoi h oh goa do ' o hav

e h who ?

E WNESS : he wa a

ha i i hi high d veoi h

o i a o vod hee g

e o a igh he a w wh o a hi

i egadig d have hag he whoe

e o B i age he oo h

o of hagig oo i a wha

i o of o i h o o h oi i

hi i

SE OAN: i a .

E WNESS i how a o

w h ai ha h o h aii

i i he ai

oa wa dvoig he

: Low di ad high F eah e he

have a di e ai ow Fo ah ai fl w

hav o hav a rai oie v h oi

eve ea i h ae o a whaev

h ae ad he a io of how h ai

ow ad hw a o ow h a o

dad ha ha wha o a

ode o do a d o a

ii oi o view oe go and do h

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sudy hre do hs muh a o a ha

sd h d o du ad dusr do I d

hch eme -S OGAN Bu you sudy

h dd you uhr e Wha dd you sy as

ge jus h duse ad h du or o h

duc

WNSS Wh I o o ha

he o as ha h daa s hee asd o

h documeao dscusso om h o

and my oedge ha e a h me ad h

o ody ha oo he s h

d us e s h ma j o ar hy des ged

hemsvs hey ca y e duse o hs

uroses

SICE OGA -- u hey dd

hemsvs A rgh

WI SS hey ds ged

her e sehes he docums shog ha

hey d a dee shae a der s

d er y o dog d users hey aso dd

ess m gog o us he ord "s daa" -

od r o s ho hose d uses r org .

s sma omay Whae

h eso hy dd o do vey heoca ay

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o doi e eeies ecodi aeve

ee as eo i o aio ee si a

e d ce d e ee do a o

i soe ss ea ic a . Fo e dises

S E OAN W o e

es o e sse i e di se i o

eae ig oes i e ex e ai

e aeia e e ie ai e oqe

seed o e egie I s a e ed

ose

TE WTE : Wa sa

s e e e oo a a ad s

a o sa e s i e o is

o a ive ae e eeded a ei a

o ea o e ee . Ta as ccaed accodi

o c as e . e e a e eqiees

ee o c i e ve o Leve

a

F e cai o e oo i

a s o di ee ses oe a o e oise

oses

C OGN W d o sa

e CFMs a e oi oe o e

o o e i o aii e es se

ques io s i o ave di c iaii

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th t dpt th pss w ay yu

dus ds t w p p y s tht tpss ? d h cct

w wh a c cpy ds

a ca a t th t t th

that y t h wth th

h u sut y put th c th

d th c whth t s squ whth

t udd hw yu t h s th ca

th d eyh t s a pac .

u cha wht typ ts yu

us th a whth th y a h h p

w pl hh pl all th t s

ad th ca cpas tday put t cas th

t a sud t ch th sud

y qst t yu D t y u

ha t hv th wh syst d a su tht

a th pa w tth t pduc th

ptu ut that y a ty t ah?

E WTNESS : ht .

JST E OA : yu tsted t

pt ad y ad th chs ud t

a ct wht yu ha d th st pat? That

s y qust.

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WNSS h n to that

ution in m vi f ou igning a

tm hih i not vaab n th mt at thtim ou ma b th ou bui th on tm

th. What ou b th bavio o h ai o

in tt it uion ov th m high

p voit tm v bn th o a

numb o a

US GA Sombo i hat

h t bt th in t o pop

WNSS Fn . v tim

ombo o th amp ou hav givn to m

i a ompn . a ign a ong tim

go t o not man tht n ca ign o

not hav thnoogia vanmnt that i not

hv to go though tain thing . Simi a thg

pp in thi a

hat i Whn o

t ta t a im th ho muh ai n to bo?

au th ompan unn hat th

imnt a . h n th qui mn o th

FM

US GAN h no th

uimnt g ith ou h kno th

qumnt bus th in in

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approah bewe h wo p f a

orr ha o a bro i o par

he ew o proj . h a ag

a wa o har o o h a h w

Co ome ba.

a p ppoe

o b h f of Cor h am ra

e h o p m arr a m j gm

w o g b o e o g hm

eo Co

h omp g o he

ppe ag o m tha h pro

aai ab h mar wor he

ompo ' po wor . hr wr

w h wa o g a w po h

wor we o wor ow ho a

o wor ow ho he h o r h

o e a h h o re ha h gh

pr i b p o ha iform mpar

o ha he o emprare o or vrao

bwe h oor ba a ow ho ia

a oppo o horz a Ca h a o

a wh pa ora .

ho ar h hre obje e .

h po ha ar gog o p oo

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mat ha to mt th th umnt

othr th prout gong to a n that

ntt hn th that thn th pa ithpat o th tm on bing th ur th

th part bng th ho th gn th

. Pat o t hat tp o moto th a

gng to to pop th a i a h oth pat

th hating

h v t a on tm on

p o t . Wh t ou pr t n ou mn?

E WES am oong om

a int pont o v an untan om

th to ta pout pnt o v am o ng

at th thnoog pont o v hat thoog

thnoog a omthing but nto th

nog pont o vi . What ng th a

bung at th n o th a o tng to bui

agan that hat a oong o an t

am oo g o that

n o to o that th ha o

b h o ta n thng ; hat xp mnt th

an ho th that on . hat hat am

ong at o o hav to bu th tm

th ho thng th to gt th an o th

r ut at th n o m nog th a

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no . h have to

JST C E GA Fo the nie ho

ou ou n bui th ho tm n gt h

ght anr n th no ? hat m ut on

quton gn

E WESS e th

S CE GA M qu ton

mpe ue t on u on the no e emet

pumab ou j ut an t et th f fue one

hav to b abe hav h ou ma h

othe pat an embe them togthe an tet

the ho tem to tmin hthr or not t i

mtng th qumnt bu f ou a

hngng n png th on of th mn ou

m ne o a th n v

E WESS : n oe o an

that qut i n ou th fi t m . ha

h in th nt omnt th bu th

potp th a thm protot th f irt

of h n to untan h t th ou f h

no e an hat to o abut that hat h

the mn thng the

f th have to bu th fi

tm t fin ou h th noe u be n

the on ion ha ht th th f t

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ya i yo oo t thi thn ptn

t hat th ata a th thy bui t th n

th b an i th pa a ti to n out

h th no a hat th no bho .

ht i ho thy tt bung

th g a th thm hat i

th t thg thy No hat thy at to o

o th ay tht thy th o a thy bt

th u th yt m ht i ht i

: hgh an mum th

mptit ' ytm in ' t o on t no hy

t hy t o an ' t th o am not

ta ing but tht

hy buit the ytm f t

o h n i th bginng that th i

o about o o hat th t

thy tt bung th ytm th thy

h tak tho pbm oth o

thy t thi on og ho to manti

th no mayb b th mot iz hat

z a ything thn thy

ou h at pototyp n gt th

nomtion t an thn tat buing ytm n

ytm to ytm th

ST C GAN : A yo ying

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th d wth he tu th ge u

eew re u sg h u ud edct s th th tstd th g tr th

chgd th dus t h wh sst

wd tth

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JT HA : t th rgh

t c su , ut s th ght se ee

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u k t the r

us h rg et d h t

dd t - he b th s d es td

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ce tt s ss te d th w s e Th

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ovad o w podung an pag w w

oo g ? Wa f vdn owed a

d o play w he pogng o g owok o pag wa pop; wn

ovng, nd w podung g a

pu n a g vloy y,

SR&E

THE WTESS und and you

quon, v a oo nd y pug oo

n, w uppod o gv n CF n h

a o wa gvng an CFM n

, nd n w gng oved dong

ohng ohe n o no gvng p u

All yg y h

you ave oo d n a way w gve y

e CFM an ng n on you

qd o h oo C, ow you ov nd

ow u n ow o you hv h

g CFM, w gv yo, gvn h y , h

g pu

US C E HOGA und and .

no guy bu you pu oo n

ox gh T w yo a dong n hg

voy . You ae h oo you p n

a box and ou p an on op o ou y g

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o sl or yu r oor

sboy wo uurs os . You pu

box rs o p yb s pr o prssu bu o

bx, c s

b p bu o wy pp s

b pu o bx bus r r

sp s or

yu v o py w

sp o orqu o

r psur . B w you s ply

w p ru rs o

or o you os ly p o

ry pl oby hs

wl o w o pro or

b pru you sp y

o s SRE

THE WESS y w

wy you pl r s

ys bs s oor s

r s s y r l

b SE

Hw w yu

o o psu y wl v p

pro w s s ys r wo

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opy o j y oo

p o H w ur

po o oor o

wv r y r o y How

p y y w o

o p oor

JUS CE HOGA yo p

oy r pr work w yo o

o o SRE y

uo

HE WESS f pro

o p y w kow

kow o ow o p y

opo w kow kow

wr o o y

JS IC E HOG ow kow

7 b o kow kow

8

9

1

3

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5

ow y

HE WESS f o kow

JUSCE HOGA : u

HE WESS : b

ow yo v o o w w

o kow r opy

R BE :

Q Mr r v

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honour ' s qestion -- your honour, apolgze i I

mis state it - was reated to i f you pay someone to

cme in and ige t how the motor has to it

ino you system. What f that per on i not paid

or by the appellant but , you sa y works wth the

moto manufac tre ? Des ha t change your anal ys is

at a l l

JUSTE HOGAN : Tha is a

dffern queton you are asking. Yo are not

as king him a quet on based on his expertise nw

Wh pays what and what penss yu are inurring

- the question I was asking him was , dong work

related to spending money to be able t program he

engn prperly, could tha S&ED

Who pays that pert i I am

incuring ther epenses that might e a

dierent qeston.

M BARTLETT I apolo gi e your

hnour I misunde rstod your ues ti on .

TICE HOGAN : I am no askng

hm to coment n the evidence . Oviosy

evdence s a qn o whatever actua indngs

I wi make af er having heard the witness es

What I m as king hm , i y

take smething otheshl and it s not

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ork g d he yo u h o pd o o e

d o o ge o ork h he o o

your y be he o o you y y

ue he ege o oveh y be h

beue he oe d hee ured

ge yo re o geg he gh

pr u , ee o yo h o hge

You h o p y h ou

You h o ply h h ege ped Whe you

r reprogg h eg ped y ue

he ege o ovrh oo You r kg

ou de ol pe , o you hve o k ohe

dj ue . My queo ee o e h

oud b SE.

HE WTESS Y . h

h hey e ryg o udrd ho o ge

r pr ure ou o h oo

USTCE HOGA O h he

oe o he y, gh? I er you

ook h oor d ju pu o h ble, d

you ud o p , d hee o h pobl

o he ovg gh p, yb you l

ge you rul . I you pu o bo hh

y loo de, you y ge dere eu

TE WTESS Th o, bu

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n a a wa yn o o mo pmn

mor aay wa o a

nal rul UTCE HOGA Rg .

THE WTE Yo may qur

ann of moo ann of ym

f bu w you ay "proramng moo "

may an aa of moo

mo aw you o an

ng T moor a n o a

ppo ow f you go an an moor or

proram n a way w wa no n

for ppo

TE HOGA O noby fgu

u a pogam y

TE WTE noboy fr

o a poram ba proammn -- y

a ay y wa apab a

UTCE HOGA Rg ba f

proammn j p-buo n buon o g

p bon o p --

THE WTE Ta o . o

ar aboy r

T E HOGA Ta no E .

HE WTE g .

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UST E HOGA SR&E ould e , on

he h er hnd, you he o e ne ror

or do sohn, hn he rus or dosoehn o rodue df feren esu .

THE TESS h s or re

UST E HOGA : T d be

S&E y r syn

THE ITESS es . Th s hee

hey ry o no h de es

S T E HOA Thn you .

M . ATETT :

een e ehn

e rsn I hn , hn nyone n h oo, so you

l hve o x n fr e hen you e

eror n ECM oo h e yu dn

h e yu nn

A The EM oor hnn

reures n os ses ould be rered o

hnn he uen, ho uh RPM yu ned nd FM

he nd of he dy Se hers oud e en

you n o u off f o ovrheed . A

nuer of ohe r es re rured here Th

l l be rerorn . Se of he EM oors

he s e ude sd reures he uns

here yu A, o d shes

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2 In m as s, yu may hav t g

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t th manuactrrs The mtor i ully apabl

ing that, bt thy ar ot th markt

rquirmnts hy can rprgram, writ a mal

progam fr yur prp as wl hat cul b

rpograig s w l .

Q I I utan it whn a

m to oms - you hav prhae on th hf

that i alray prgram t, ay run at a

rtain RPM; is that ort?

A EM mtr cm with a motr

its pus a toll r, an a cnt rr h a

pgramig mhanism that wll provid y with

whatvr y n ut that

Q Whn yo say "whatvr you

ut that " w that b n th things

that

A Whn say what is th

capabty o this motr that what will b th

prgraing gv it t y . A troll com

with th prgram n yu a us that

JUS C E HOGAN : t i l a an

a i ing fa wi th a tay witch Y tn th

rtary swith an yu gt mr p, l p

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d so

HE WESS Sl gs

JUI HOGA M u wld

v ll spsd bu w

e sg oug s u v bl

pog , u obod s d o pu

b Yu d d gue ou w o dus

spd usg o us l l u w

gs wuld b S&E ws j

sw u d u, would be S&E

TH WIESS Ys

ld g o swes s ss

oe w w ll dp wes o

w r low ou o do

pds ps o os . T s

ol E g d

O op , uu

ls s e pbl pvdg

dp sw o pg p swes e

o p o w e do, bu

ou v pr o e e g o

uu d s , s w w

oo " epgr e s w

o our pupss s o S&

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b if you do anyhg ohe han --

US TICE HOGAN B hen he

mane epoams i, and is and

eo , gh ? Maybe he f ime you ied i in

he box, i ddn wok o yo hve go o go

ba, ae i ou ad pu i bak i Tha wod

be a SRED, wod i no?

THE WITNESS ha wod be SRED

fo he ompny who muue

JSTI E HGAN Wy no SR&D o

me , my kow-how o fige o how o mae my sysem

opeae?

TE WINESS : Bee yo do o

undesnd, h company woud no ndesad he

popee of he moo sef hose ae

popee of he moo, ow o design e moo o

do ea hing

R BARLETT

Q M Pama , I nde rnd

The moo ome wih he wt a llows

you o hange he RMP o say, RM, and yo

y in you yem nd doen ' pode he

esu yo wn You wan o y i wih a highe

RPM, b hi w doe a ow you o go a

gh. You he manfaue o epogam he

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oo o a un a gr RP

F of a ong

n b don by ogammng? Yo d a

anfau n oga ong

anfu od rogra a wa

you yng

A . n o , e

af , wn y a odu n

e a oo n e , y wod y

oor gund o v y a

done a udy wve ons, wv y

fon , y av

f you wan o go g n

se f o , n o a y w y ay

un g d bu y w no gane

o w no b wand

Wod y b b o roga

e y w go and udy f y ak

o oga fo a g d w w be

o n n o a ay b oay ; n

o , ayb no

JSTC HOGA W w yo

ndndng of w ony dd on EC

oo ed on yo vw wa dd yo n

ony dd

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THE WITE I n y eve w wen I

ed a a ne ee n a l y ey ad e

beeve e ey aedwn g w a ne w wa n pdng e

g sa eus e FM and waeve ey

eu ed ee

ey an a paa a

a ge RPM a awed e un a

a ge R Tey wen agan and ad

I f yu un a ge an wa we ae

eendng e waany wn be ee " A a

pany a ay n be a bun e l n even

e an d e j b

en y aed eang

e auaue ad ey und ne

I wa n apan aybe Kea weeve Tey

fund a f usde Tey u ed

JUT E HOA : yu w wa

ey dd a Kea Wee yu awae

f wee ey dd anyng n?

WE d ey ge?

UT C A : We e yu awae

a ey dd e pgang a ey dd e

eng n e and f?

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TH WITN ude adg

we e reeved e oo, e pugged

ee I dd o wo r k Te we bak o

opa ad a d "W e eed o repogra ee

oor . Ta uderadg . Te opa

orea e elped e ou , or e dd

eeve o elp e

MR ARTTT :

aed o ou udeadg,

wee e e ed a oo ad dd produe e

reul e waed, e requeed a e

reprogamed o produe g er oque e ed

a ou oe a qual a R a

R

A A I ad, e j u

proga , g , o R .

J T GAN : Wa abou rg

ou e bo o a work w e

oe o e o a e de ged? A or

a p a a ra peed ave a era orque

H WIT Ta r g

U TI HOGA Ta

eagle ule ou pu o waever ou

w o ue w e g ea oure ad

eerg, ad e a we ou e o ae

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sr s o v , or spd s

r s pod r rs

s s of o rh rs -- bs obod kws ow o o

a r rs w s ss

- s a R&E

THE WTE f r r

o fd -- w dd ak bu w s

s w s b s

w o oo

r a wa s sppsd d a

d sp w a a s

rd

T E HOGA ds vr

whr wrks wh d spa h

farr o v rd bd s

o wok wh r HA ss oor

b hr wrk hdd d ps

s s, b w ak pr ar or

ad p wh fs f a HVAC ss

a kw wr s dvp

r ar prr d ovra, prsab,

d s f

ss s ar ra

w , d s

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es s SR&E s ues

HE WESS e es g s e

ppses i s se . e ee ess pul ge esul

SE HA W e

es

HE WESS Rg s e

pupose s ere ge . e s ee .

e oe e s ere s e sg pupse s

o ou oes k es

k

SE HOA : g

HE WE SS O u u

u oe k o k

e

s ps

SE HOA O e

HE WESS s SRE k .

JS E HOA Bu eg

ge e p ll k s SRE

e

HE WESS H k.

W e ve e k se

g u e e k es

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not wor nrmal ttn, but on y n ut

wy t don t wr an wat o nt wor ow ow

am I on to m t wo --

JUSTCE HOA Wtn my ytm

THE TESS - wt n my ytm

How am I on to ma t wor r t Ta t

ntaton SR&E t oud la d nto t

SR&E wor bau you a to tdy mu mor to

nw tat t mtor or yor wl ara ar lo w

an rytn

MR . ARTETT Maam R tr ar ,

an a you to a Exbt R w t

rondt bo of oumnt to t wtn .

Mr Pr , a y t

tur t tab T a unt nttld M

Mol wt ECM Mtor n l lowr" at

Aut . o you rall n t

oumnt bor

I o t nw may av

n t may t n t annot rally

not tt

Q at n y ton

I allat undrtoo t drnt tt

wr ty tr on t r md l tr t EC

mt r at a artular rowr on wt

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paticula lowr and th moto a a paticula

pd, and th ma ud h toqu, amp CFM

if thy undtoo that, woud that qualify a

SR&ED

A. I am loin g at th i

nrmation nly I hav not n that o

it lo ik to m wha thy a tting t ou,

what thy can g ut o thi y m Thr i no

unctaint idntifid at this pint hat i what

I am looing at right now .

I I w tying t d, r en a

small company woud li to do i try to ind out

how good a Dlhi w i in m tm h , I

wll d a dint ms th dn

pd or what wa loing o, ath than

going r th moto, haf a hopow,

th-quat hopow and chcing out th

ystm whih i Max 50 , which ha a cin

capac; 55 i a dif nt capacity

JUST CE HOGAN : A yu

ubtituting yur usn judgmnt r thir

uin udgmn t? In h word , i th a, " I

am going to do m ttng tyng h moto

and adusting thm within m stm to whth

o no thy a going to dlv th apacity

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u noo h n oor o h

n o " h o i

rn hn ou o h r un

r n r n rro hooo u

R&D

E W : o u wh h

r rn o unrn wh h n ou

o h oor n h pru . h

wh rn h u o

r h . h r in ' n h n

o h h oo h n ou o

h ou o h oo

M . BALE :

Q M r rr o on wh

n oor h h nr n u n h

hon -- or u h -- wh n n

our n ur h u l wh h

no ED?

A. Bu h n

ou w cpc or wh h oor cn o

hr h I unn ou h oo

ou h wh h n o . n o

nn on nowl ou how o hv

r n hn ro n pon o w

UE GA L ou

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es: e e s he ew

f s l ser,

ss Ue Af Rs Rye e

s f e , h R s Ry us

ee s ll h R&D s he

ee e ey e h

e u h f ke s

rs wh hy rs A

f he l s hr ws wr fu

su ef f y s fh

h B es h ee

ls he r f , whh ey s

he hy hh sees ess

su s l wh hy

s s RD

H I I he se f

Be hs e whe Be ss f he

l f y sef

we h y s y s

he ee hsees hy e es h

JI HOAN Bu h hy

h wh s l e

y su y, hy l

h h r f hy h ry

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hy hv o u h wh hy pois Ai

h h i o o p cn

u couio h in i o oi

o oh cu of h sin o h win n

o oh

E

ll o h i i i h

TE WTNE : h will

-- o y i i w A lin h w

f coi o Boi you loo h wo

on h picul c i i o ll --

o o o n h on hi o

JT CE GA n u

nw VA y -- i ih n ls s

ophiic pou u i nw pou in

h pl in i s Th ol o

i wo Au h ic how h h

ol o in ' wo w oo noi y pl

w li lwui n o oh ou co ou

n you h o sin whol w y n pu

nin i h n y o u h whol

y ops

sn ' h cin loy wih

wh oin o whn i s h nin n

i o Uni Aic o o Rolls oyc

TE WTNE : All w o sy

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ca f Bi wa ca ac hi

a w i yhi hy ii h

wh acf i R&D Th is wha w ay Th y pi f h w h

ay R&D qui yhi a

pi f h w

r pi

TE A wu au a

T WT y

pi h ai y h r p

ih Bu wi ai aii

w which ay R&D w Tha

a a yi say

Wh yu sy

pi f iw yu iai a u f

p . f h cp hy ay ha

i h i a ca i h Bi

ep yu . Th i es i i f ay

ha a y ae p f h R& w

UT A The i

ipa

A . Th ai f h

cu a y a pi f R&ED w.

TIE A Th u i

s ii f h i h y

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74

TE WE Th o

h o w w c u u y

uc wh ch you

coo o h h

y y ou h .

E GA : Rh

TE WE c you

y h wh h

chc o yu

y o h wh yu h

h y o c yu o

h c yu h h

h y cho .

E GA:

o o wh

h o yu y u h

w h ucy c h

w wh h c o y y

h h c u wou uch

o

E WTE : A o

wh ch y uy chy

h c h h o

h y ch h oo j u h

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pr h h r cp - -

U GAN h

h h p pr p, hr

wr h p rp

WN r h

qur r h r

w wh prr

h c u u

h p ur h

r h h h

h,

U GAN c ,

r

R BARL

, r hu Wh

u h r h p

w r h h wr r

p r Wh ur

ur wh h h

p w R& h h h

h h ur ch

h

A p c w,

c h w . W ' k u

u c pr w -- r

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ui h h i ii h i

h .

cul v h ;

wh w i iii h pc

i h i c y y

h . i y c which hw h

i h hi wh hv h A

h whvr w , w

i v u h

Q h c h wh h

puc i iih, hy ui i h

k, hy w i hv picl ,

i whv pc ci i

yu ui h h i yhi ih

i h h wul hv chlic uiy

chlicl vc ciiic

hly

A A s sy , i v k

h W v l h

w wh y u h c ' y h

h w uciy u h

Wh w l ly c i , c h

wul i k k hi hi i wh w

i , u yu wh i

chi h

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w w

d i s w i

T is w udrd

Mr. Prr c I u

ur R sd s o

du D u ri s du?

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il . s his h

A h i c

. h i ur udsd

is ?

A Thr r w i

his i O i c

Dl w o dl rduc li r

h w , ArM w

qur dir s wi

r s hi

Th wr i u wi h wh

i i d w h r i i Th id

I c , is uh i

il , s sw p w

icl w chi d hw

w r i l s

h u " " wh d

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