Ambush Trades_ Bank Nifty-1

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BANK NIFTY Intraday-------Ambush Style!!Forum Trading Methods / Ambush Trades BANK NIFTY Intraday-------Ambush Style!!

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Attacking the Bank Nifty for some quick gains!

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Trading the BANK NIFTY Intraday-------Ambush Style!!

Saint001 16 Mar 2009, 13:25 GMT+0530

This thread is basically putting together all the concepts that we learnt in the smaller classes and utilising it for bigger

gainswe will trade pivot breakouts or breakdowns on the 10min charts,we will trade a monster gap up and fade it,vice versa

for huge gap downs.We will look for kicker patterns,we may also take the help of a few indicators that aid in telling us about

divergencesthis is not a Flow Trade.We are in this to attack for a fast gain,and therefore a bigger quantity.We take

profits off and don't mind if price just goes on and on without us.For that we have the side by side Flow TradesThis is

all about waiting for that opportunity to strike,and when that opportunity arises,it is all about striking hard.

The prey is BANK NIFTYThe predator is US.The Style is Ambush!

All the best!

Saint

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Re: Trading the BANK NIFTY Intraday-------Ambush Style!!

kapil123 16 Mar 2009, 13:29 GMT+0530

Great. Looking forward to the ambush style of trading, how the predator takes on the prey

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Musicjunkie 16 Mar 2009, 13:30 GMT+0530

Really looking forward to this section. Always wanted to learn those things mentioned above.

Regards,

Your student

MJ-

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pchadha74 16 Mar 2009, 13:32 GMT+0530

This is going to be a real eye opener. Use of indicators.never heard it from you before..

Waiting very eagerly now.

Puneet

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Satyen 16 Mar 2009, 13:40 GMT+0530

wow waiting eagerly thanks Dear Saint

Regards

Satya

Regards

Satya

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prabhjeetrana 16 Mar 2009, 13:46 GMT+0530

Well getting ready for another Feast from Saint

Thanks

The w ill to w in is not nearly as important as the w ill to prepare to w in

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Saint001 16 Mar 2009, 14:57 GMT+0530

Took a jab at a short posn at 3730.

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Saint001 16 Mar 2009, 15:24 GMT+0530

Some profits in the intraday miniflow.here,out at 3741

Time Stop

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 10:40 GMT+0530

Got into an AMBUSH trade at 3738 short,break of the tailed 10min bar+ doji..

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 10:46 GMT+0530

Another reason,and more importantly..have a look at the Volume Charts.talking 5min chartsevery uptrend has

higher volumes than the downtrend or consolidation.Notice this particular bar the 10:35am bar,volume pattern has

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changed.After some time,we have a bearish candle with higher volumes.for this particular tf,the trend has changed for now.

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 10:51 GMT+0530

Adding more at 3726

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pchadha74 17 Mar 2009, 11:07 GMT+0530

With stops at 3756+f Sir?

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If i'm not mistaken, kindly correct me if i'm wrong, but the 5min is putting up a bear flag? seeing many of these flags everywhere

nowdays.

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 11:33 GMT+0530

With stops at 3756+f Sir?

3764+f,Puneet.careful about position sizing on this one.It moves big,so we have to give it room.So posn size it till no pain is

felt if stops are triggerred.

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 13:20 GMT+0530

Yummmmmy move on Bank NF..taking first 1/3 off at 3648.

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 13:21 GMT+0530

Moving stops down to 3711 back 2/3rds.means this trade is in definite profits.how much is left to be seen.

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 14:26 GMT+0530

Taking 2nd third off at 3612

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Saint001 17 Mar 2009, 14:51 GMT+0530

Out last third at 3648

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That 2nd third off was near the lowsgreat :)

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Saint001 20 Mar 2009, 02:39 GMT+0530

Too much to be able to post accurately while trading multiple counters in multiple strategies .Will post charts every day

from now.Easier for memore studies take placeppl who are copy-catting will not burn their fingers!

All the best!

Saint

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Saint001 20 Mar 2009, 02:40 GMT+0530



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All the best!

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myvineet 20 Mar 2009, 08:58 GMT+0530

wow..saint sir ..really AMBUSHperfect..

thanx

vineet

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pchadha74 20 Mar 2009, 09:23 GMT+0530

Really amazing Sirand eye opening too.

But as usual, I have a doubt. Adds in ambush? And also..is the profit booking a pre meditated act or we do it on seeing the bar

movements. I have been following this strategy on Reliance..but was booking profits every few pointsguess that is not

correct.

Pl let us know in your time.

Thanks,

Puneet

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neeraj_h 20 Mar 2009, 09:32 GMT+0530

wow.trading can b so simple. thank u saint sir..

Well, the harder I practice, the luckier I get. :) - gary player

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Satyen 20 Mar 2009, 09:40 GMT+0530

Thanks you sir realy amzing to know how you manage too lot of thing

Thanks again for the chart yes a chart every day will help us a lot

Regards

Satya

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Satya

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kapil123 20 Mar 2009, 09:49 GMT+0530

An eye opener.

Amazing Trades. And you make it look so simple.

There is still a lot to learn.

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Saint001 20 Mar 2009, 12:09 GMT+0530

Really amazing Sirand eye opening too.

But as usual, I have a doubt. Adds in ambush? And also..is the profit booking a pre meditated act or we do it

on seeing the bar movements. I have been following this strategy on Reliance..but was booking profits every



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few pointsguess that is not correct.

Pl let us know in your time.

Thanks,

Puneet

Hi Puneet,

Adds on a consolidation breakdown,but as of now ..only 1 ADD.more my comfort levels.In ambush intraday,I get in 2's

and exit in 3's.Of course,if one plays 1 lot only,then exit also in 2's.

Exit 1 because of a bottoming tail and increased volumes.

Great questions as always..

All the best!

Saint

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Saint001 20 Mar 2009, 12:11 GMT+0530

Not in ambush trade as of yetwaiting and watching,prowling and eye-ing.

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Saint001 23 Mar 2009, 02:56 GMT+0530

Self explanatory.

Saint

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Satyen 23 Mar 2009, 10:41 GMT+0530

thank you sir

Regards

Satya

Regards

Satya

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ASHA SHUKLA 23 Mar 2009, 19:43 GMT+0530

Thank you sir. Amazing analysis and trade.

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Re: BANK NIFTY Intraday-------Ambush Style!!

Saint001 25 Mar 2009, 01:40 GMT+0530

I couldn't take the trade.the Ambush in Bank Nifty.although had a great time on the same in MiniFlow.So,not posting it.

Saint

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Saint001 25 Mar 2009, 01:41 GMT+0530

Thanks Asha and Satya for your kind words.:)

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Saint001 25 Mar 2009, 01:51 GMT+0530



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iNOW 25 Mar 2009, 06:42 GMT+0530

Hello Saint Sir

For these ambush trades on 10 Min TF, do you use any specific room for filtering BOs.

Thanks

Rajesh

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Saint001 25 Mar 2009, 21:23 GMT+0530

No Rajesh,simple filtersand not as much as intraday miniflow either.

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Saint001 25 Mar 2009, 21:39 GMT+0530

A "nothing to write about" daybut makes one feel all excited about tomorrow,either direction.

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Flock68 25 Mar 2009, 22:21 GMT+0530

Great method Sir. I hope you will put up some write up on this in the school section when time permits.

Thanks.

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amitpethkar 25 Mar 2009, 22:37 GMT+0530

First of all I am really thankful to Saint sir to start such a great thread. The charts posted were simply amazing. I waited for

Today's trades and after waiting for long I thought why not put up my own understanding. Though by the time I marked all the

trades Saint sir already posted the chart. Neverthless I will put my version. Initially I thought we will be going for quick profits,

but after looking at today's chart by Saint sir, I am not yet clear about profit booking. These are just thoughts and I did not

actually trade.

I am eagerly waiting for the feedback.

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m_senthil 25 Mar 2009, 23:00 GMT+0530

Great posts Saint Sir and amitpethkar Can someone just let me know what is the brk down bar failure?

Thanks.



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My understanding as follows. Wait for Saint sir for authentic answer.

Breakdown failure in todays case was that it tried to break below days low but could not instead started consolidating. We had

already broken first 5 min bar high with very good volume and the bar closed as WRB.

Still market could not move up, it consolidated and made another attempt but could not get past days high, which was a

breakout failure. Now it came crashing down and if you look at 30 min there is WRB with good volume. Now we expect days

low to be taken out with volume instead we see that momentum dried up and gave a positive WRB and few sideways bars on

10 min. There are some times in the market when we expect something to happen with high probability (because otherwise the

trend is in question) and then it does not then its a sign that something is wrong, which signals us for breakout/breakdown

failures.

Please refer Saint sir's chart on 20 March where he has shown breakdown failure example and how to identify it.

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Saint001 25 Mar 2009, 23:27 GMT+0530

Excellent Amitgreat stuff.In total agreement with your trades.My reaction was not to go over that double dojiso

reversal was a bar later.But fully agree,that is the place to have reversed.

Well done,Amit,and a warm welcome to the Flow!!

And let's ambush this thing together tomorrow:)

All the best!

Saint


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Smart_trade 26 Mar 2009, 08:17 GMT+0530

Excellent trades Amit..Sound reasoning..well done.Bank nifty is a good counter to trade

in ambush style as it has a good ATR and trends well.

Best Wishes,

Smart_trade

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neeraj_h 26 Mar 2009, 10:00 GMT+0530

great stuff amitmakes it look like so simple..

sir can we hav some basic collection of what all to tradesome patterns discussedtf etc.

sir seems to b simpleas all ur teachings :) u made it so simple fr a normal hard working person to trade in dis difficult stock

mkt.

please teach ambushsome quick trades :)

will try to post some basic paper trades here ambush style..

regards

neeraj


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neeraj_h 26 Mar 2009, 10:04 GMT+0530

so tf is 10 minuteokk.


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m_senthil 26 Mar 2009, 10:18 GMT+0530

Thanks Amit got it now.

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 11:37 GMT+0530

BANK NIFTY AMBUSH:Yummy looking sideways consolidation on the 10min chartsIt's gotta do something from

here.Either way,it's gonna be yummy.Still on Prowl Mode.

Saint

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Satyen 26 Mar 2009, 11:44 GMT+0530

Thanks ..

Regards

Satya

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 11:48 GMT+0530

Neeraj,

Time frame is 10minsPerspective charts :Nothing..Setup:Pattern,Sideways consolidation,a simple pause in

price(like 2-3 dojis after a bearish candle,etc)..Entry:Breakdown/breakout from this pattern/consolidation..Stops above

the pattern/consolidation.Any other criteria to look at:Volumes( a big post in itself).Filters:Smallish,in

comparison to MovFils,etc).Position Sizing:Much bigger because of smaller stops.Reversals:Not

necessary,free to if want for another ride.Attitude:To ride the Trend and enjoy the Ride,To prowl and prowl,and attack

only once one is ready.Ah,yes,Intraday,as in close at eod.

Sorry to put it like this..Will be putting it all up later in correct form.

All the best!

Saint



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Wonderful posts from Amit, where were you man, never had a chance to interact with you, Excellent !!


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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 11:50 GMT+0530

and here comes the breakout.

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Time frame is 10minsPerspective charts :Noting..Setup:Pattern,Sideways consolidation,a

simple pause in price(like 2-3 dojis after a bearish candle,etc)..Entry:Breakdown/breakout from this

pattern/consolidation..Stops above the pattern/consolidation.Any other criteria to look

at:Volumes( a big post in itself).Filters:Smallish,in comparison to MovFils,etc).Position

Sizing:Much bigger because of smaller stops.Reversals:Not necessary,free to if want for another

ride.Attitude:To ride the Trend and enjoy the Ride,To prowl and prowl,and attack only once one is

ready.Ah,yes,Intraday,as in close at eod.


All the best!

Saint

Thanks for explaination Saint


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neeraj_h 26 Mar 2009, 11:55 GMT+0530

sir got long at what levelno filters usage .? 3 - 4 pts.

didn saw above post .. thank u saint sir..eagerly waiting for ur post :) will try to do some backtesting on

it..hav been watching ban nifty for a while nowyummy 60 min flow tradesand 1 way moves :)

regards

neeraj


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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 11:56 GMT+0530

Neeraj,

Entry over 4200+f,using small filter.

Saint

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 12:00 GMT+0530

Wownice moves in BOI!

Stops at the low of the WRB breakout(in BANK NIFTY)

Saint

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neeraj_h 26 Mar 2009, 12:05 GMT+0530

:) nice trade.nice attack


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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 12:15 GMT+0530

Out a third at 4245..Taking profits off at 1:1

Saint


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neeraj_h 26 Mar 2009, 12:19 GMT+0530



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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 12:21 GMT+0530

Ah,Thanx,Neeraj!!

Saint

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neeraj_h 26 Mar 2009, 13:06 GMT+0530

trailing sl to 4206 -sf i hope


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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 13:34 GMT+0530

Exitted all at 4235

Saint

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 13:38 GMT+0530

No entry short as yet..waiting for now.Sitting on Hands for now.

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 14:25 GMT+0530

Short below 4235 and looking to add below 4220

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 15:15 GMT+0530

Stopped and reversed and taking off profits now..will put it up at end of day.

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Saint001 26 Mar 2009, 15:28 GMT+0530

So,nice long trade.stopped out on the short trade..another nice long trade with add.

More straight forward than yesterday.

Saint

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Kaiser123 26 Mar 2009, 15:39 GMT+0530

Hello Saint,

Great going.BankNifty is turning out to be money fetcher. :-) helping hands from bank to get the bank account filled :-)

In 60 min, 5/60 as well

Thanks

Kaiser

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SacredOcean 26 Mar 2009, 16:44 GMT+0530

Hello saint sir,

thank you very much for this beautiful thread.

do we consider previous day's data for ambush style.

i mean if market opens in range of a triangle that continues from previous day and the second bar of the day



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breaks the triangle on any side, , , do we consider such situations valid, or we only depend on current day's

candles.???

one more thing, do we add in pyramid style or just like flow trades, the same quantity?

thanks for support,,,

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do we consider previous day's data for ambush style.

i mean if market opens in range of a triangle that continues from previous day and the second bar of the day

breaks the triangle on any side, , , do we consider such situations valid, or we only depend on current day's

candles.???

one more thing, do we add in pyramid style or just like flow trades, the same quantity?

Yes in my view as the markets are continuous,patterns are continous but as trader's attach more weight to today's action

patterns formed today are more potent.

Ambush style is hit and run kind of styleit has tight and small stops so our initial quantity is more than what we would do in

flow trades,we may add 1/2 the initial quantity but the style here is take a trade,add quickly and close the trade the moment

market stops going in your way.

Best Wishes,

Smart_trade

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Ah.thanks mj, what will I do without you my friend

ST

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Always welcome ST Sir

MJ

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Saint001 27 Mar 2009, 12:41 GMT+0530

Sacred Ocean,

My views same as ST's.I take not just today into consideration,but last few days as well.Patterns tend to take days to

form,so that entire view is taken,and therefore the breakouts bought.Not so in MiniFlow where only today is taken into

consideration.

And yes,adds for me in ambush is like :Initial Posn 2 lots,Add 1 lot,..not same sizes.

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SacredOcean 27 Mar 2009, 15:11 GMT+0530

thank you saint sir and st sir

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Sorry guys. I was out of station so could not participate.

Thanks for all the feedback. Saint sir's appreciation has given me a boost.

Frankly, I did not expect such a great response and its great to see that it spurred interest of some of the experienced folks. I

am still a beginner and in the race to be a PRO. You guys are much ahead in the game. I have learnt a lot from all of you and

will still continue to extract as much as I can.

Thanks,

Amit

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Breakdown failure.

In the morning it was nice short after a consolidation break. Nice trend.

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Go long abv bar with tail. Sorry cant post chart

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Saint001 30 Mar 2009, 15:28 GMT+0530

Yum,yum,yummy day.will post today's trades in the night.

Saint

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manojkch 30 Mar 2009, 17:59 GMT+0530

Thanks Saint Sir for starting this thread with nice explanatory charts. Thanks to ST / Neeraj / Amit /Prabhjeet For contributing

and helping to understand the concept.

My little doubt (Explained in this thread but still I am not very clear with it)

1) Where we place the stops? Is it at breakout candle low (considering long), for eg : taking Triangular pattern breakout, or

latest pivot low on 10 min or lower support line of triangle.



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2) Do we reverse the trade on pattern fail? What is the criteria to consider the pattern is failed i.e. considering the above

example of triangle breakout, will it be treated as failed pattern if the lower support line of the triangle breaks or when the

breakout candle low is broken?

Hope I am able to convey what I want to say.

Thanks & regards

Manoj

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Stop will depend upon what we trade

1. consolidation high or low if we trade consolidation break.

2. If we trade failed breakout/breakdown then it could be the break high/low or if you trade consolidation after the failure then it

would be consolidation high/low.

Failure is something we expect to happen with high probability but it does not. So it could lead to reversals or sideways move

or it will be failure of failure like on 26th we went short on breakout failure but the downside momentum fizzled out in the same

bar we entered. Thats not a good sign, so now we will trade the failure of breakout failure, so we reversed to LONG now that it

could not go down. I hope I am not complicating.

Yes, we will trade patterns, failed patterns, breakouts, breakdowns and their failures. As Saint sir mentioned we are the

predators, ready to attack whenever we sniff a chance. Now this is easier said than done, but once we have a lot of charts

eyeballed and seen realtime price action, you will develop a feel. Again to keep it simple - we want the trend to continue and it

can't when the momentum stalls. So either it continues or reverses.

I hope all this makes sense.

Thanks,

Amit

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Saint001 30 Mar 2009, 22:13 GMT+0530

Took an additional add as it is a reversal of previous trend.Day 1.And very nearly a Bearish Kicker Pattern on the Daily

Candlestick Charts..Therefore more aggressive.Took the first entry after 4 mins noticing that the bar is closing below pivots

and a definte bearish candle.All else self explanatory.

Very easy dayall out by end of day.

Today's gap down negated the entire day's gains on FridayFriday bulls are trapped,Thursday and before bulls are in hope

and pray mode.We capitalise on this shock and add and add our exits are on a pivot break.Nothing much happened

through the day.

All the best!

Saint

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myvineet 30 Mar 2009, 22:32 GMT+0530

excellent trade sir

i am just reading about bearish kicker pattern yest in foundations & today market shows this to me..

thanx & regards

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Thanks for the chart Sir. Very nice attack and mouthful feast!!!

I need to read about this bearish kicker pattern. Nice to know something new which is useful.

Thanks,

Amit

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Breakout failure in the morning. Short the break of first 5 min bar low. Adds in the process and book profits when we tails

forming.

Bar making days low converted into hammer and closed positive which is sign of possible trend change but we dont preempt

here, instead wait for thr right time. Then we got a candle with bearish close and the next one gave +ve close inverted hammer,

now this is a sign that trend is exhausted and break of the high that bar is long.

Saint sir any comments, changes?



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Saint001 31 Mar 2009, 12:48 GMT+0530

Thanks for the chart Sir. Very nice attack and mouthful feast!!!

I need to read about this bearish kicker pattern. Nice to know something new which is useful.

Thanks,

Amit

I have loved trading it each and every time it happens.happened a few times already.Nice one to capitalise on.And works

each time.

Saint

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Saint001 31 Mar 2009, 12:53 GMT+0530

Amit,

Great ambushnothing to add except to say:Great Stuff,my friend.

Saint

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Saint001 31 Mar 2009, 14:26 GMT+0530

Ambush traders have an opportunity to add once this ascending triangle breaks to the up.and a new entry for those who

have already exitted all with sweet profits.

Of course,the other possibility is a failure..suits us just fine either way.

Saint

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Saint001 31 Mar 2009, 14:51 GMT+0530

Hope whoever is trading this style caught that breakout from the asc triangle.

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MaxX-Breakout 31 Mar 2009, 15:41 GMT+0530

Yes, did enter long again there :) How did you handle the profit booking though before the fall back to those levels?

I try profit booking at important levels (or looking at the 2 min charts), but many a times, the price keeps moving past it soon

enough, making me feel bad that I closed part of the position!

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amitpethkar 1 Apr 2009, 00:14 GMT+0530

I have shown a short inside ascending triangle in the chart because I take it as a breakout failure, which eventually failed i.e.

failure of failure which is strong sign that earlier trend might continue so we reverse to longs on breakout. Some of you might

not have taken above short.

Saint Sir,

You mentioned usage of indicators in ambush. Could you please throw some light on what indicators and for entry or exit or

both? I think we can use indicators for profit booking (ones which become overbought/oversold - maybe RSI, STOCH or

combination)

Thanks,

Amit

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Saint001 1 Apr 2009, 02:35 GMT+0530

Hi Max,

I took profits at the 4165-4170 area,resistance area..if price had taken off and made higher highs ,well,I still have more with

me.Took the rest off wnen price moved back towards the triangle.

No,I never use 2min chartstoo much of scratchy movement.The lowest I look at is the 5min charts.

But great to hear that you had taken the long as wellgreat going.

And a warm welcome to you..looking fwd to your posts.

All the best!

Saint

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Saint001 1 Apr 2009, 02:40 GMT+0530

Amit,

Trade 1 same as yours,Trade 2 same as yours except that I took half off at resistance,which went on to make that asc

triangle,and readded half on a breakout from there.Took profits off in the 4165-4170 area.And back half once price moved back

to that triangle.Tried a Trade 3 shorting the breakdown,nothing much from that trade.

But 2 good moves in a day.love days like this when we get trend moves in both directions.

We will talk about the indicators part later,Amit.great going on a super day!!

All the best!!

Saint

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Thanks Sir. It gives me a great feeling that my thought process resonates with a PRO.

As you mentioned, really nice days with hardly any chops.

Thanks,

Amit

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uthuman 1 Apr 2009, 11:10 GMT+0530

20mts chart gives ph and pl is forming it seemsany entry so far triggered?

uthuman

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Waiting for consolidation to present chance to SHORT. Also if it fails to go down then ready to attack on the LONG side.

Thanks,

Amit

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Looking at Saint sir's trade on Monday he may have pounced on short in the first bar itself. It gapped up and then came

crashing down breaking the pivot in the process. Now looking to ADD.

Thanks,

Amit

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MaxX-Breakout 1 Apr 2009, 11:35 GMT+0530

Thanks for the welcome Saint.. it is because of you that I got interested in trading in the first place :)

PH is broken on 10 min chart.. I am currently long.. today seems to be a tough day till now!

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Saint001 1 Apr 2009, 14:37 GMT+0530

Ah..an old friend with a new name.great to hear that..

Only one trade so far..on the longnothing else and a nothing much day.

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Im new to the ambush method.. putting a chart up as to how I took the trades today. I actually did 3 trades, with the second

one being a whipsaw sort of trade (maybe I was too aggressive). Saint, can you tell me where you kept your SAR for your

trade? Would love some comments !



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My Trades -

Trade 1 - Long above the 10 min pivot high (blue line). The price goes up with all green bars and then finally after a WRB we

have a bearish candle and then another one with almost the same lows.

Trade 2 - I then short below those 2 candles.. triggers, goes down and then some sideways movements, but forms a lower PH.

Trade 3 - Long again above the PH, hold till EOD.

Also cant wait to learn about how you use indicators n such for profit booking :) This method seems to suit me perfectly!


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In your first post you had mentioned fading huge gap ups.. I guess today's gap is one of them? :)

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First 5 min bar closed good. Narrow consolidation going on. Lets see if we get Long entry here.

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Yep.. I am long again (small quantity) .. :)


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Good profits on the long as well as short side today :) Happy weekend guys!

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Today's trade - No longs because did not get any consolidation that was yummy enough. Finally got a SHORT because it was

tired of going up may be people booked profits due to long weekend which led to this fall. Who cares!!!. as long as the

attack fetches us nice profits.

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manojkch 3 Apr 2009, 16:04 GMT+0530

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Stop will depend upon what we trade

1. consolidation high or low if we trade consolidation break.

2. If we trade failed breakout/breakdown then it could be the break high/low or if you trade consolidation after

the failure then it would be consolidation high/low.

Failure is something we expect to happen with high probability but it does not. So it could lead to reversals

or sideways move or it will be failure of failure like on 26th we went short on breakout failure but the downside

momentum fizzled out in the same bar we entered. Thats not a good sign, so now we will trade the failure of

breakout failure, so we reversed to LONG now that it could not go down. I hope I am not complicating.

Yes, we will trade patterns, failed patterns, breakouts, breakdowns and their failures. As Saint sir mentioned

we are the predators, ready to attack whenever we sniff a chance. Now this is easier said than done, but

once we have a lot of charts eyeballed and seen realtime price action, you will develop a feel. Again to keep

it simple - we want the trend to continue and it can't when the momentum stalls. So either it continues or

reverses.

I hope all this makes sense.

Thanks,

Amit

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Thanks a lot Amitji for your detailed and clear explanation! Understood everything what you want to say!

Best Wishes

Manoj

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stockhunter 3 Apr 2009, 18:33 GMT+0530

Hi - what is this strategy - where can i read the rules?

Cheers

SH

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Time frame is 10minsPerspective charts :Nothing..Setup:Pattern,Sideways consolidation,a

simple pause in price(like 2-3 dojis after a bearish candle,etc)..Entry:Breakdown/breakout from this

pattern/consolidation..Stops above the pattern/consolidation.Any other criteria to look

at:Volumes( a big post in itself).Filters:Smallish,in comparison to MovFils,etc).Position

Sizing:Much bigger because of smaller stops.Reversals:Not necessary,free to if want for another

ride.Attitude:To ride the Trend and enjoy the Ride,To prowl and prowl,and attack only once one is

ready.Ah,yes,Intraday,as in close at eod.


All the best!

Saint

Dear SH, Nice to see you here and thanks to your RSEX strategy mentioned in Icharts Forum. Please do share it here too for

the benefit of the TraderSaint members.

The above mentioned rules (in short) mentioned by Saint Sir along with charts and discussion in this thread will suffice to

understand the strategy. If still you have doubts, our all expert seniors in this thread are always there to help you.

Best Wishes

Manoj

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kapil123 3 Apr 2009, 19:29 GMT+0530

Hi - what is this strategy - where can i read the rules?

Cheers

SH

A warm welcome SH.

The trading methods being followed are all about the concepts covered under the Foundations.

The details about these are given in Foundations Section and for implementation you can checkout School > Foundations >

How to implement these in trading. This can be selected through the top navigation bar.

And moreover each day the trade setup that is taken is discussed here in this thread.

Kapil

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Hi Manoj,

I am really glad that my explanation helped you. Please dont put ji next to my name I dont deserve thatIts Saint sir who is

so humble and selfless to share another gem that I wish this quality rubs on to me. He has opened another can of strategy and

I try to put whatever little I know.

This "ji" makes me feel old I am just 28 yrs old yar ;) and we are friends here.

Thanks,

Amit

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Thanks Amit. So nice of You! You deserve it "Ji" ! Age is no bar! Yes we all here are good friends.

And very true! He is the only SAINT who not only taught us such beautiful strategies but also to be a good human being. I think

this is his The Greatest contribution! Many of us are continuing his tradition to share the knowledge selflessly and the day is

not far when everyone on this earth will be following this tradition to make a beautiful society only because of SAINT.

Thanks a million to him!

Manoj

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Saint001 8 Apr 2009, 09:48 GMT+0530

Thank you for your kind words,Amit/Manoj..

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beethovenwithsaint 8 Apr 2009, 10:02 GMT+0530

Saint,

Kindly explain what made you exit at EXIT 1 above?

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Saint001 8 Apr 2009, 10:14 GMT+0530

Hi Bee,

a.Price has put in a move of 100pts,taking in both add 1 and initial put together.Pocket it.

b.Price is approaching an area of support,and a bounce is expected off it.Pull some off and pocket it.

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Thanks Saint Sir,

b.Price is approaching an area of support,and a bounce is expected off it.Pull some off and pocket it.

The support area I could have only judged after the next bullish bar was made. But I am interested to know how you could judge

the support area before this bullish bar was made. Three very strong bearish bars and you exited bang at the end which is what

I want to know, how you got this exit. Normally after such a strong close one expects the fall to continue.

or did you exit after the bullish bar was made?

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neeraj_h 8 Apr 2009, 11:00 GMT+0530

will take a ambush at 10 min pivot high..


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Smart_trade 8 Apr 2009, 11:05 GMT+0530

The support area I could have only judged after the next bullish bar was made. But I am interested to know

how you could judge the support area before this bullish bar was made. Three very strong bearish bars and

you exited bang at the end which is what I want to know, how you got this exit. Normally after such a strong

close one expects the fall to continue.

or did you exit after the bullish bar was made?

Bee

Bee,

It has been my observation that mkt goes sideways or takes a correction after 5 bars of trending in any direction. Always if you

are short,it is a good idea to take some profit in 4th bar dip or the 5th bar. This gives you a great profit booking entry when

nobody is expecting a correction against our existing position.

Best Wishes,

Smart_trade

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Saint001 8 Apr 2009, 11:14 GMT+0530

Thanks ST,and great going!!

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Thanks a lot Saint/ST,

We learned something new today:-)

Regards

Bee

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Smart_trade 8 Apr 2009, 11:21 GMT+0530

Bee ,

You will be surprised to see this 5 bars phenomenon on any timeframe. See it on 10 min,30 min and also 60 min TF. In fact

this is one of the profit booking technique in some system. I can name the system but dont want it to cause any confusion

here.

But I am also surprised to see mkt going in correction mode ( not necessarily trend change mode ) in various time frames from

10 min to daily charts after 5 bars of trended move.

ST

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Musicjunkie 8 Apr 2009, 11:27 GMT+0530

Thanks ST, didn't know about this 5 bars profit booking technique. Thanks.Although I do have a vague memory of you

mentioning it sometime back

Including it in my arsenal of trading tools.

Regards,

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Saint001 8 Apr 2009, 11:27 GMT+0530

Bee,

About the "support" part of your query..not to forget that ambush trades are looking at past 2-3 weeks of charts as

well.Draw your strong support and resistance lines from back then.Major turning points,not every little move.

Just to impress the importance of these pointswe have multiple bars down in our favour,reward now at 2:1 on risk on both

positions,an area of bounce approaches.We therefore pocket some.

Saint

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Satyen 8 Apr 2009, 11:31 GMT+0530

Thanks dear Saint And ST hmmm new 5 bar concept .. thanks again

Regards

Satya

Regards

Satya

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Thanks Again Saint/ST

I see now and feel lots is still there to learn. Plus all this on a 10 minute time frame!!!! Guess I have miles to go before I

sleep!!!!!hahaha

Bee

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Saint001 8 Apr 2009, 11:50 GMT+0530

Thanks Again Saint/ST

I see now and feel lots is still there to learn. Plus all this on a 10 minute time frame!!!! Guess I have miles to

go before I sleep!!!!!hahaha

Bee

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All the best!

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uthuman 10 Apr 2009, 14:17 GMT+0530

Thanks saint for the ambush trading style for Bank nifty on 10mts timeframeReally mouth wateringwaiting for the Monday

trade

uthuman

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manojkch 11 Apr 2009, 11:25 GMT+0530

Thanks a lot Saint/ST/Bee/MJ/Amit and all for such a beautiful strategy and explanations!

Best Wishes

Manoj

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Saint001 11 Apr 2009, 13:19 GMT+0530

Most welcome,Manoj!

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Niftyrider 11 Apr 2009, 13:31 GMT+0530

thnx saint for the crystal clear view.

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Saint001 11 Apr 2009, 13:34 GMT+0530

Most welcome,NR

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Thanks for the charts and crisp explanation, Sir!!!

Thanks,

Amit

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uthuman 12 Apr 2009, 15:44 GMT+0530

Thanks saint for the chart and explanation

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m_senthil 12 Apr 2009, 19:59 GMT+0530

Thank you very much Saint..

from the humble beginnings of using only the patterns to the current stage of looking for the important pivot levels in addition to

pivots/patterns

also, not to forget MJ's blog on volume analysis / resting bar relishing the learning here in this forum

slowly understanding the price action.. be it the 60 min chart or the 10 min chart

Thanks a lot again Saint. Words are not enough to praise the efforts of everyone contributing to this forum.

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Saint001 13 Apr 2009, 09:35 GMT+0530

Most welcome Senthil/Amit/Uthuman.

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saint sir,

i thnk bank nifty long taken.

as pivot crossed of 10.10am and trend continous signal also isnt it?

sar =pivot low or anythng else?

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neeraj_h 13 Apr 2009, 11:17 GMT+0530

yesi will take PL as SARwill b ambushing dere :)


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Saint001 13 Apr 2009, 11:31 GMT+0530

NR,

Yes,went long over pivot high..but will reverse and go short if this pivot low breaks as well.

All the best!

Saint

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thnx saint sir and neeraj.

actually i was trading 1st time in ambush style.

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Saint001 13 Apr 2009, 11:59 GMT+0530

NR,Observe each new pivot high made on lower volumes.took profits off 4815 area at resistance point.

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yes saint sir booked @4812

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Something abt to happen .. narrow range bars LONG abv days high and short below latest 10 min PL.

If LONG triggers and fails then we will look to short the brkout failure. Vice versa for brkdown failure.

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Saint001 13 Apr 2009, 14:14 GMT+0530

Good attitudethe"something abt to happen" be prepared for either scenario,stay unbiased,get ready to react either way

the move takes us.

Saint

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bank long trgrd @ 4825 pivot

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Saint001 15 Apr 2009, 11:00 GMT+0530

So far,not in any ambush tradesthat first move happened after a gap below pivots.Better to wait for pivots rather than

anticipate a move either direction.

Now we getting pivots on the 10Long over the high made at 10:30 +f

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SAINT SIR

i want to clear some doubts

1. wait for bar to complete or just enter whenever our target in range(brkout or brkdown anything +-filter)?

booked bank @4880

didnt shorted. it was good for short. if yes which bar plz guide??

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Saint001 15 Apr 2009, 11:52 GMT+0530

Yes NR,now in short posns.below the 11:30 am bar low-f

If you don't see it clearly on 10,have a look at 5 for greater clarity.

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Saint001 15 Apr 2009, 11:55 GMT+0530

No NR..If price breaks past the previous pivot high,you are in.No waiting for that bar to complete.If price then falls after

that,action to the reverse if necessary

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thnx sir cleared.

for short it was 11.25am bar? as per 5 mnts pivot.

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Saint001 15 Apr 2009, 12:20 GMT+0530

Yep,NR,Below the low of the 11:25am bar..so far bk nf not looking like it's ready for a move on though.

Stops to be adhered to as always.

All the best!

Saint

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Musicjunkie 15 Apr 2009, 12:36 GMT+0530

If I'm not mistaken should be long now at 4875+Filter

MJ-

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why 4875. side ways mvmnt in 5mnts and brksout @4868 12.20 pm bar

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Saint001 15 Apr 2009, 14:10 GMT+0530

More correct would have been 4840 over the breakdown bar failure on 10but personally reversed over 4862+f over the high

of that WRB.

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Saint001 15 Apr 2009, 14:55 GMT+0530

Closing this thread .Let us carry on this discussion here http://tradersaint.com/forum/t-147180/ambush-ing-anything-

juicy#post-449575 where we will be targetting not just Bank Nifty but other stock futures as wellanything that is just

waiting to be attacked,we will do just that.All except NF which I am leaving to MJ in his thread.

Will talk about it later.

Saint

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