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ANNE CARSON March 12, 2013 LIVE from the New York Public Library www.nypl.org/live Wachenheim Trustees Room PAUL HOLDENGRÄBER: Over the years now, I have asked the various writers and artists and poets and translators to provide me with a biography of themselves in seven words, a haiku of sorts if you wish or, if you’re very modern, a tweet, and I asked Anne Carson for her seven words, and this has happened quite a few times. I either get two words, or I get twelve words, or I get nine words, at times I get seven words. In this particular case I got twenty-five words and these words are not her words, but they seem to define her, and these are the words of Hölderlin in his Hyperion and this is what she gave me as her seven, twenty-five words. “A thousand times in joy of heart have I laughed at people who imagine a noble spirit cannot possibly know how to cook a vegetable.” Anne Carson. LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 1

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  • ANNE CARSONMarch 12, 2013

    LIVE from the New York Public Librarywww.nypl.org/live

    Wachenheim Trustees Room

    PAUL HOLDENGRBER: Over the years now, I have asked the various writers and

    artists and poets and translators to provide me with a biography of themselves in seven

    words, a haiku of sorts if you wish or, if youre very modern, a tweet, and I asked Anne

    Carson for her seven words, and this has happened quite a few times. I either get two

    words, or I get twelve words, or I get nine words, at times I get seven words. In this

    particular case I got twenty-five words and these words are not her words, but they seem

    to define her, and these are the words of Hlderlin in his Hyperion and this is what she

    gave me as her seven, twenty-five words. A thousand times in joy of heart have I

    laughed at people who imagine a noble spirit cannot possibly know how to cook a

    vegetable. Anne Carson.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 1

  • (applause)

    ANNE CARSON: Good evening. How nice of you all to come. I think usually they do

    conversations here. Thats the residue of the conversation and its just me tonight, but Im

    going to read two quite different things, so it will be like theres two people here, and I

    will explain that. Some years ago I wrote a book called Autobiography of Red about a

    red-winged monster named Geryon and that told about his childhood and adolescence

    and adventures as a young man. Red Doc> is a continuation of the adventures of that

    same person when hes in late middle age. Eventually Ill read some from Red Doc>. The

    hero of Red Doc> is Geryon but now he calls himself G, the initial G. And there are

    two noteworthy characterological features of G. One, he tends to doze off in the middle

    of the things, not because he has sleeping sickness, but just hes at that stage of late

    middle age where theres a lot to worry about and sometimes its easier just to go to sleep.

    Two, he is fascinated by Proust and when the novel begins he has just finished reading

    Proust. It took him seven years. He read it in French a little bit every day, all seven

    volumes, and having finished Proust hes now in that desert of after Proust. Those of you

    who have read Proust will know what I mean, theres a kind of glacial expanse that opens

    where nothing seems worth reading and all you want is for Proust to start over again, but

    of course he cant and so you read, in a desultory way, things about Proust or criticism or

    biography but its not the same and eventually you just give up and realize youll be in

    Proust withdrawal for a while and then life will sort of go on in a grayer level. (laughter)

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 2

  • So in that interval G decided to write an essay about Proust, in fact about Proust and sleep

    and more specifically the most interesting sleeper in Proust, who is Albertine, the

    girlfriend in Proust, or one of them. The most important girlfriend in the novel. So Im

    going to read you Gs essay on Albertine. Its in fifty-nine numbered paragraphs. He

    numbers his paragraphs because it makes him feel like Wittgenstein.

    (laughter)

    The Albertine Workout

    1. Albertine the name is not a common name for a girl in France, although Albert is

    widespread for a boy.

    2. Albertines name occurs 2,363 times in Prousts novel, more than any other character.

    3. Albertine herself is present or mentioned on 807 pages of Prousts novel.

    4. On a good 19 percent of these pages she is asleep.

    5. Albertine is believed by some critics, including Andr Gide, to be a disguised version

    of Prousts chauffer, Alfred Agostinelli. This is called the transposition theory.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 3

  • 6. Albertine constitutes a romantic, psychosexual, and moral obsession for the narrator of

    the novel, mainly throughout volume 5 of Prousts seven volumes in the Pliade Edition

    work.

    7. Volume 5 is called La Prisonnire in French and The Captive in English. It was

    declared by Roger Shattuck, a world expert on Proust, in his award-winning 1974 study

    to be the one volume of the novel that a time-pressed reader may safely and entirely skip.

    (laughter)

    8. The problems of Albertine are from the narrators point of view, (a) lying (b)

    lesbianism, and from Albertines point of view, (a) being imprisoned in the narrators

    house.

    9. Her bad taste in music, although several times remarked on, is not a problem.

    10. Albertine does not call the narrator by his name anywhere in the novel, nor does

    anyone else. The narrator hints that his first name might be the same first name as that of

    the author of the novel, that is, Marcel. Lets go with that.

    11. Albertine denies she is a lesbian when Marcel questions her.

    12. Her friends are all lesbians.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 4

  • (laughter)

    13. Her denials fascinate him.

    14. Her friends fascinate him, too, especially by their contrast with his friends, who are

    gay but very closeted. Her friends parade themselves at the beach and kiss in restaurants.

    15. Despite intense and assiduous questioning, Marcel cannot discover what exactly it is

    that women do together. This palpitating specificity of female pleasure, as he calls it.

    16. Albertine says she does not know.

    17. Once Albertine has been imprisoned by Marcel in his house, his feelings change. It

    was her freedom that first attracted him, the way the wind billowed in her garments. This

    attraction is now replaced by a feeling of ennui, boredom. She becomes, as he says, a

    heavy slave.

    18. This is predictable given Marcels theory of desire, which equates possession of

    another person with erasure of the otherness of her mind, while at the same time positing

    otherness as what makes another person desirable.

    19. And in point of fact how can he possess her mind if she is a lesbian?

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 5

  • 20. His fascination continues.

    21. Albertine is a girl in a flat sports cap pushing her bicycle across the beach when

    Marcel first sees her. He keeps going back to this image.

    22. Albertine has no family, profession, or prospects. She is soon installed, indeed

    captive, in Marcels house. There, she has a separate bedroom. He emphasizes that she is

    nonetheless, an obedient person, see above on Albertine as heavy slave.

    23. Albertines face is sweet and beautiful from the front but from the side has a hooked-

    nosed aspect that fills Marcel with horror. He would take her face in his hands and

    reposition it.

    24. The state of Albertine that most pleases Marcel is Albertine asleep.

    25. By falling asleep she becomes a plant, he says.

    26. Plants do not actually sleep. Nor do they lie or even bluff. They do, however, expose

    their genitalia.

    27a. Sometimes in her sleep Albertine throws off her kimono and lies naked.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 6

  • 27b. Sometimes then Marcel possesses her.

    27c. Albertine appears not to wake up.

    28. Marcel appears to think he is the master of such moments.

    29. Perhaps he is. At this point, parenthetically, if we had time, several observations could

    be made about the similarity between Albertine and Ophelia, Hamlets Ophelia, starting

    from the sexual life of plants, which Proust and Shakespeare equally enjoy using as a

    language of female desire. Albertine, like Ophelia, embodies for her lover blooming

    girlhood and also castration, casualty, threat, and pure obstacle. Albertine, like Ophelia, is

    condemned for a voracious sexual appetite whose expression is denied her. Ophelia takes

    sexual appetite into the river and drowns it amid water plants. Albertine distorts hers into

    the false consciousness of a sleep plant. In both scenarios, the man appears to be in

    control of the script, yet he gets himself tangled up in the wiles of the woman. On the

    other hand, who is bluffing whom is hard to say.

    30. Albertines laugh has the color and smell of a geranium.

    31. Marcel gives Albertine the idea that he intends to marry her but he does not. She

    bores him.

    32. Albertines eyes are blue and saucy. Her hair is like crinkly black violets.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 7

  • 33. Albertines behavior in Marcels household is that of a domestic animal, which enters

    any door it finds open or comes to lie beside its master on his bed, making a place for

    itself. Marcel has to train Albertine not to come into his room until he rings for her.

    34. Marcel gradually manages to separate Albertine from all her friends, whom he

    regards as evil influences.

    35. Marcel never says the word lesbian to Albertine. He says, The kind of woman I

    object to.

    36. Albertine denies she knows any such women. Marcel assumes she is lying.

    37. At first Albertine has no individuality. Indeed, Marcel cannot distinguish her from her

    girlfriends or remember their names or decide which to pursue. They form a frieze in his

    mind, pushing their bicycles across the beach, with the blue waves breaking behind them.

    38. This pictorial multiplicity of Albertine evolves gradually into a plastic and moral

    multiplicity. Albertine is not a solid object. She is unknowable. When he brings his face

    close to hers to kiss, she is ten different Albertines in succession.

    39. One night Albertine goes dancing with a girlfriend at the casino.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 8

  • 40. When questioned about this she lies.

    41. Albertine is not a natural liar.

    42. Albertine lies so much and so badly that Marcel is drawn into the game. He lies, too.

    43. Marcels jealousy, impotence, and desire are all exasperated to their highest pitch by

    the game.

    44. Who is bluffing whom is hard to say. See above on Hamlet.

    45. Near the end of Volume 5, Albertine finally runs away, vanishing into the night and

    leaving the window open. Marcel fusses and fumes and writes her a letter in which he

    claims he had just decided to buy her a yacht and a Rolls-Royce when she disappeared.

    Now he will have to cancel these orders. (laughter) The yacht had a price tag of 27,000

    francsabout 75,000 dollars, and was to be engraved at the prow with her favorite stanza

    of a poem by Mallarm.

    46. Albertines death in a riding accident on page 642 of Volume 5 does not emancipate

    Marcel from jealousy. It removes only one of the innumerable Albertines he would have

    to forget. The jealous lover cannot rest until he is able to touch all the points in space and

    time ever occupied by the beloved.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 9

  • 47. There is no right or wrong in Proust, says Samuel Beckett, and I believe him. The

    bluffing, however, remains a gray area.

    48. Lets return to the transposition theory.

    49. On May 30th, 1914, French newspapers reported that Alfred Agostinelli, a student

    aviator, fell from his machine into the Mediterranean Sea near Antibes and was drowned.

    Agostinelli, you recall, was the chauffer whom Proust in letters to friends admitted that

    he not only loved but adored. Proust had bought Alfred the airplane, which cost 27,000

    francs, about 75,000 dollars, and had had it engraved on the fuselage with a stanza of

    Mallarm. Proust also paid for Alfreds flying lessons and registered him at the flying

    school under the name Marcel Swann. The flying school was in Monaco. In order to spy

    on Alfred while he was there, Proust sent another favorite manservant, whose name was

    Albert.

    50. Compare and contrast Albertines sudden fictional death by runaway horse with

    Alfred Agostinellis sudden real-life death by runaway plane. Poignantly, both

    unfortunate beloveds managed to speak to his or her lover from the wild blue yonder.

    Agostinelli, before setting out for his final flight, had written a long letter, which Proust

    was heartbroken to receive the day after the plane crash. Transposed to the novel, this exit

    scene becomes one of the weirdest in fiction.

    51. Several weeks after accepting the news that Albertine has been thrown from her horse

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 10

  • and killed, Marcel gets a telegram. You think me dead but Im alive and long to see you.

    Affectionately, Albertine. Marcel agonizes for days about this news and debates with

    himself whether he could possibly resume relations with her, only to realize that the

    signature on the telegram has been misread by the telegraph operator. It is not from

    Albertine at all but from another long-lost girlfriend, whose name, Gilberte, shares its

    central letters with Albertines name.

    52. One only loves that which one does not entirely possess, says Marcel.

    53. There are four ways Albertine is able to avoid becoming entirely possessed: by

    sleeping, by lying, by being a lesbian, or by being dead.

    54. Only the first three of these can she bluff.

    (laughter)

    55. Proust was still correcting a typescript of La Prisonnire on his deathbed in

    November 1922. He was fine-tuning the character of Albertine and working into her

    speech certain phrases from Alfred Agonstinellis final letter.

    56. Isnt it always a tricky question, the question whether to read an authors work in

    light of his life or not?

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 11

  • 57. Granted, the transposition theory is a graceless, intrusive, and saddening hermeneutic

    mechanism. In the case of Proust it is also irresistible. Here is one final spark to be struck

    from rubbing Alfred against Albertine, as it were. Lets consider the stanza of poetry that

    Proust had inscribed on the fuselage of Alfreds plane, the same verse that Marcel

    promises to engrave on the prow of Albertines yacht, from her favorite poem, he says. It

    is four verses of Mallarm about a swan that finds itself frozen into the ice of a lake in

    winter. Swans are of course migratory birds. This one for some reason failed to fly off

    with its fellow swans when the time came. What a weird and lonely shadow to cast on

    these two love affairs, the fictional and the real, what a desperate analogy to offer of the

    lovers final wintry paranoia of possession. As Hamlet says to Ophelia, accurately but

    ruthlessly, You should not have believed me.

    58. Heres the stanza of Mallarm in somewhat rudimentary English: A swan of olden

    times remembers that it is he, the one magnificent but without hope of setting himself

    free. For he failed to sing of a region for living when barren winter burned all around him

    with ennui.

    59. Everything indeed is at least double. La Prisonnire, page 362.

    Thats the end of that.

    (applause)

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 12

  • Thanks.

    So thats G as a researcher. Im going to read Red Doc> some other aspects of that same

    psyche. So in the myth of Geryon, Geryon is a herdsman and has a herd of magic red

    cattle that Herakles is commissioned to capture, which he does, legendarily. In this story

    G has a different herd, they are musk oxen. And he has a friend named Sad But Great

    who goes by the shorter name of Sad, who is a veteran of some war or other.

    Typical night-

    herding songs gallop

    their rhythms and tell of

    love. G doesnt usually

    sing to the herd at night.

    He may talk to them listen

    stand in the herd. Listen.

    That community. A low

    purple listening but with a

    height to the sound. Them

    listening. They direct it up

    and out. They stand in a

    circle facing away from the

    center and the long guard hairs

    hang down to brush their

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 13

  • ankles like pines. Like

    queens. Like queens

    dressed in pines. Musk

    oxen are not in fact oxen

    not castrated bulls nor do

    their glands produce musk.

    Much is misnomer in our

    present way of grasping

    the world. But pines do

    always seem queenly as

    they sway so grand and

    anciently from the sky to

    the ground. Motion is part

    of listening. As the night

    goes on, lets say hes there

    for a number of hours the

    motion changes. At first

    they just shudder a bit like

    any large entity come to

    rest but gradually

    imperially they begin

    swaying. Then as one

    rhythm they pass the sway

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 14

  • from shape to shape around

    the circle its amplitude

    increasing its warmth rising

    from knees to hearts to eyes

    its pressures rolling across

    the large loose joints of the

    shoulders and down the

    long bones of the hips until

    at some point with a

    phrasing as simple as a

    perfect aphorism one of

    them spins up off its shanks

    and performs a 360-degree

    spin in air and returns to

    place. Slotting itself into

    the undulations of the others

    as firmly as temptation into

    I can resist anything but.

    He slips from thought to

    thought. Wilde Wild

    Wildness does surely attract

    him although what he

    knows about it is not much.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 15

  • Knows with the oxen that

    they prefer common gorse

    to willow shoots and can

    balance the topheaviness

    of their bodies by plaiting

    their feet as they walk.

    While with Sad he knows

    dont mention warplay.

    Funny word warplay.

    Never says war or warfare.

    Ive seen a lot of warplay

    hed say. Warplay had me

    pumped those years. Tip

    of the spear. Flipswitch

    inside. She hit the ground

    75 saw the white bag 75

    bullets tore her head off I

    saw her hand. I wasnt

    going to tell anyone back

    home about. Oh it found its

    way out it surfaced. I had a

    tan when I came home no

    wounds no cuts. Everyone

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  • kissed me. Sure I sat by the

    fire I talked to the old man.

    There were the smells. The

    bone beneath. Sweat broke

    out on me at breakfast. I

    didnt expect to come home

    that was not in the plan.

    Some point I guess the

    brain cells just give out.

    You read a hundred

    military manuals you wont

    find the word kill they trick

    you into killing. You get

    over it its ok. You have to.

    Fear not tolerated. Take

    you out back and shoot you

    they say. Her eyeglasses in

    the grass. Standard

    questionnaire. Fine just

    say fine. Numb yourself.

    Wire-frame eyeglasses. Does it feel

    good at first yes. Play.

    Guns. Fire. Animals. You

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 17

  • know the Carthaginians

    liked to use oxen for night

    fighting. Im talking about

    Hannibal Im talking about

    the battle of Ager Falernus

    217 BC. Like tanks but

    more frightening. Theyd

    tie lit torches to the horns

    and stampede them toward

    the enemy. The Romans

    panicked. Some ran into the

    herd. Some got knocked off

    the path to the crags below

    others tried to retreat and

    were lost in the tundra

    never seen again. But what

    about Im asking what

    happens when the torches

    burn down to the horn to

    the hair to the head to the

    bone beneath. So much

    human cruelty is simply

    incidental is simply

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  • brainless. Simply no

    common sense. You could

    take the entirety of the

    common sense of humans

    and put it in the palm of

    your hand and still have

    room for your dick.

    Now we go inside Io. Io is the name of the lead musk ox of the herd. And Gs favorite.

    Shes waking up.

    It washes her up from

    the bottom. Slow fluids of

    dark slide past each other at

    different speeds. Light she

    ignores. Waking is gradual

    lines of dark into sounds.

    They line up. Before they

    do is a moment of terror

    happening every day she

    every day forgets. Dry

    little sound is a birds

    neckbones sifting into place

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  • to sing. Its eyes open and

    widen. Birds with bigger

    eyes sing first. Rackety

    every day to hear this every

    day forgets. A passing

    snake splits by. Reds leap

    the clouds in a wind stirring

    everything tall all the way

    out over the river and

    pinwheeling back as the

    membrane cracks. Open.

    The heavens are perfect.

    Perfection sounds round.

    Good morning good Io.

    Bird drops its note into the

    round and round the note

    goes circling the wall of the

    world and stops. After

    stops is a gap she listens

    down into for someone who

    comes takk takk takking

    along she hears takk takk

    slow down and

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 20

  • hesitate and takk takk

    takking past. Someone

    insists and someone will

    hesitate at this hour. With

    the heavens perfect and all

    gazes wet and the bird

    drops another note into the

    round and round. Coolly

    every day forgetting

    all but this not the

    difference between this and

    winter does she long for it

    winter. Where waking is.

    Where two cloven halves of

    her hooves clocked in ice

    and blood crisping along

    arteries at minus twenty-

    three degrees is a glory to

    her. Winter exists and

    winter is never soon enough. She is awake.

    Now we shall meet the glacier.

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 21

  • At a certain point in the story G and his companion Sad find themselves inside a glacier,

    sort of lost. And theyre exploring, down a sort of slot in it.

    The ice fault is a slot

    in the ice as tall as a man

    that vanishes back into

    shadow. A smell of

    something brisk and

    incongruous laundry?

    sunlight? lingers at the

    entrance. G drops to his

    knees to peer in. Cold

    stabs up through

    his trousers. Sad has

    retreated to the car and

    started the engine which

    echoes monstrously

    everywhere. Moving out!

    Sad yells putting the car in

    reverse.

    Was it Shackleton whose teeth shattered at something

    something below zero G

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 22

  • once asked his brother

    the biochemist and why.

    Because teeth are porous

    and can fill with droplets

    of water which instantly

    freeze in subzero

    conditions. The glacial

    walls go tapering away

    from him down the ice

    fault. He plunges into a

    world at once solid and

    dissolved but weirdly

    shadowless.

    He is colder than ever in his life. Vein

    by vein as separate

    numbnesses. Heart

    crashes in his chest

    gelid wings clack on his

    back. He can hear the

    wings move but they are

    someone elses wings

    and his teeth are in pain.

    Freeze means expand

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 23

  • means shatter said his

    brother. G closes his

    mouth.

    That old clich

    of polar adventure fatigue

    flooding his body in

    waves. This wonderful

    longing to lie down surely

    hes been walking for

    centuries surely he should

    stop and rest a moment

    against one of those satiny

    planes of ice that allure on

    every side. Cucumber

    Shackleton spam why is

    everything draining away

    why this silver ebbing and

    flowing not quite reaching

    his brain. He is so tired.

    Pour the honey into the

    Jar. He dozes off. A sudden

    violent sneeze shatters

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 24

  • him in all directions. Oh

    he says aloud lets not die

    in the jar and with an

    effort that seems to rip his

    spine apart arches his

    upper back. Stiffened

    wing muscles pull hard

    against their roots and

    move into a lift. Pieces of

    ice break from the

    primaries and fall in a

    shower. Again he strains

    backward and up against

    what seem like seams of

    steel thinking maybe I

    cant do this but all, all at

    once the coverts jolt

    terribly free and the

    motion begins. He is

    rising. Air grabs his

    knees. Out of black

    nothing into perfect

    expectancy -- flying has

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 25

  • always given him this

    sensation of hope -- like

    glimpsing a lake through

    trees, or that first steep

    velvet moment the opera

    curtains part -- he is

    keening down the ice

    fault. Soul fresh. Wings

    wildawake. Front body

    alive in a rush of freezing

    air. He opens his mouth

    in a cry as red sadness

    pours away behind him

    and the ancient smell of

    ice floods every corner of

    his skull.

    Why birds have no

    arms -- if you are human

    you fly with arms straight

    out in front and horizontal

    to the ground. To give

    least resistance. Of course

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  • its exhausting. Dont fight

    it just do it says G to his

    arms. He visualizes little

    pistons all over pumping

    him forward and this helps

    for a while but the ache is

    spreading from his spine

    in every direction. Down

    the ice fault pours a steady

    cold channel of headwind

    against him. He knows he

    is slowing and probably

    looks ridiculous. Am I

    turning into one of those

    old guys in a ponytail and

    wings he thinks sadly.

    (laughter)

    Something skims his

    cheek. He waves at it

    vaguely. Oh, great, predators. His

    heart sinks. People talk of

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 27

  • eagles with a wingspan of

    3 meters in the northern

    regions. He begins to

    imagine his own heroic

    death. But

    now the air is darkening

    around him and strange

    vectors dive whizz swoop

    -- he gasps suddenly

    realizing what it is. Not

    predator. Ice bats! They

    are blue-black. They are

    absolutely silent. They

    are the size of toasters.

    And they are drafting him

    down the ice fault with

    eerie gentle purpose. A

    spearhead in front and a

    convoy each side. His

    shoulders begin to relax.

    Is there an etiquette for

    this he should worry

    about? Theoretically he

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 28

  • can gain 35% efficiency

    by riding their wheels a

    while. But it should be

    some sort of exchange.

    On the other hand theirs is

    a volunteer intervention

    and they do look tireless

    despite all going so fast

    theres a smell of burning

    he is thinking it odd this

    smell of burning when the

    whole mass of them veers

    around an ice bend and

    arrives in a vast garage.

    Ice bats go nimbly

    and can stop on a dime.

    Heres how you stop. Flap

    both wings downward

    creating a vortex above

    the leading edge of each

    wing this allows you to

    hover. Then flap once

    LIVECarson_3.12Transcript 29

  • upward to release suction

    as you glide from the

    flight path in an attitude of

    careless royalty and

    subside onto some ledge

    or throne with neatly

    folded fingerbones. Gs

    descent is less fine. He

    slams into the

    blue-blackness ahead of

    him not expecting it

    to stop. Or instantly

    disperse. Each bat goes

    whizzing its way into an

    aperture in the back wall.

    Batcatraz says a sign

    nailed up there. G drops

    to the ice floor stunned.

    Clever of you to come in

    the back way says a voice.

    G looks up.

    We shall leave him there looking up.

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  • (laughter)

    Things happen. Time passes. We arrive at a chapter called Time Passes.

    Time passes time

    does not pass. Time all

    but passes. Time usually

    passes. Time passing and

    gazing. Time has no gaze.

    Time as perseverance.

    Time as hunger. Time in

    a natural way. Time when

    you were six the day a

    mountain. Mountain time.

    Time I dont remember.

    Time for a dog in an alley

    caught in the beam of your

    flashlight. Time not a

    video. Time as paper

    folded to look like a

    mountain. Time smeared

    under the eyes of the

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  • miners as they rattle down

    into the mine. Time if you

    are bankrupt. Time if you

    are Prometheus. Time if

    you are all the little tubes

    on the roots of a gorse

    plant sucking greenish

    black moistures up into

    new scribbled continents.

    Time it takes for the postal

    clerk to apply her lipstick

    at the back of the post

    office before the

    supervisor returns. Time

    it takes for a cow to tip

    over. Time in jail. Time

    as overcoats in a closet.

    Time for a herd of turkeys

    skidding and surprised on

    ice. All the time that has

    soaked into the walls here.

    Time between the little

    clicks. Time compared to

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  • the wild fantastic silence

    of the stars. Time for

    the man at the bus stop

    standing on one leg to tie

    his shoe. Time taking

    Night by the hand and

    trotting off down the road.

    Time passes oh boy. Time

    got the jump on me, yes it

    did.

    And now he has returned home because his mothers in the hospital.

    He brings lilacs

    from the bush by the

    corner of her house to

    which she will probably

    not return this time. Or

    ever, and he leans his face

    into them. The smell

    plunges up. A vertical

    smell. Wet purple

    unvanquished. Her door is

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  • shut. The ceiling tracks

    flicker. No radios no

    barbeques dont honk a

    sign he saw on the way to

    the hospital his mind

    running like a dog off

    its chain. Certain things

    not decided have been

    decided. He arrived on

    the day after her surgery.

    Has seen this corridor at

    all hours. Notices again a

    hesitancy in the light as if

    it were trying not to shock

    you with how scant it is.

    He can hear the oxygen

    machine through the door.

    It shunts on. Runs a while.

    Shunts off. He enters.

    When he is there they

    lift the stones together.

    The stones are her lungs.

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  • Some days go by. And now hes in her hospital room. Their last interview.

    Not a casual

    solitude. He and she.

    Oxygen machine is

    wheeled in and hooked

    up. Her eyelids flutter but

    do not open. He sits. The

    room is hot. There is a

    smell. Does Proust have a

    verb for this. This

    struggle she faces now her

    onetime terrible date with

    Night. First date last date

    soul mate. Old song lyrics

    scamper in him. He moves

    the chair back to the

    window. Shes counting

    my soul mate gasps of

    make my heart rate beat at a

    fast rate. Oxygen. He

    dozes. Waking to her avid

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  • gaze. Wide open. She

    holds in one hand the

    makeup mirror in the

    other a pair of tweezers.

    Here she whispers. Lifts

    tweezers. Maybe you can

    do it. Taps the end of her

    chin. He hesitates shrugs

    pulls up his chair takes the

    makeup mirror and peers

    close. A beard of very

    tiny white translucent

    hairs all over her chin. He

    moves the oxygen tube

    aside and gingerly plucks

    a few. Plucks a few more.

    There are hundreds

    thousands. He hates

    waiting for her to wince.

    She doesnt wince. Its

    all right Ma you can hardly

    see them he says. Her

    eyes fall. Okay never

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  • mind. Sadly she takes

    the tweezers back. I look

    awful dont I. No you look

    like my ma. Now she

    winces. In later years this

    is the one memory he

    wishes would go away and

    not come back. And the

    reason he cannot bear her

    dying is not the loss of her

    which is the future but

    that the dying puts the two of

    them now into this

    nakedness together that is

    unforgivable. They do not

    forgive it. He turns away.

    This roaring air in his

    arms. She is released.

    Some days pass.

    Oxen stand quiet

    under trees. Ios eyes are

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  • closed. It is a

    hard-blowing red evening.

    The priest speaks about

    the womans good life her

    exemplary son her souls

    situation in the palaces of

    God. A short-notice choirs

    attempts Ave Maria. The

    coffin is wheeled out the

    back door of the church

    and onto a waiting van

    someone closes the doors

    of the van G watches it

    drive off. And the

    freedom stuns him. Here

    it is the promised clearing

    where great stags are

    running at liberty. Say a

    man has been carrying a

    mother on the front of his

    life all these years now

    she is ripped off now his

    life is light as air -- should he believe it?

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  • One more day.

    Shuffling recipes

    coupons horoscopes

    in a kitchen drawer he turns

    up an old black-and-white

    photograph of her posed in

    dashing swim costume on

    some long-ago back porch.

    One leg forward like a

    Greek kouros a cigarette

    in the other hand she

    glows as a drop of water

    glows in sun. She looks

    sexually astute in a way

    that terrifies him he puts

    this aside and all at once

    the grainy photograph the

    early marvel of her life

    flung up at him a thing

    hardly believable! knocks

    him to his knees. He grips

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  • his arms and weeps. Pain

    catches the whole insides

    of him and wrings it.

    Oddly now remembering

    his grandmothers wringer

    washer silvergreen and

    upright on a platform of

    wet boards in her back

    kitchen beside the

    washing tubs. How

    carefully hed been taught

    to feed a piece of dripping

    cloth between the two big

    lips of the rollers while

    she cranked the handle

    and the cloth grabbed

    forward to emerge on

    the other side as a weird

    compressed pane of itself.

    He hadnt known his

    grandmother long or well.

    She smelled of Noxzema.

    Didnt like doctors.

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  • Believed in herbs and the

    Bible. When the apostles

    walked down the street

    their shadows

    would heal people she said. His

    mother once told him a

    story about her dying.

    They never liked each

    other hadnt visited for

    years but someone

    arranged a phone call. So

    there they were mother

    and daughter on the

    phone separate cities

    separate nights both

    suffering from asthma and

    so moved they couldnt

    speak. I heard her

    breathing, I knew what it

    was his mother said. He

    looks up now. Hed almost

    forgot about the rain.

    Unloading on the roof and

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  • squandering down the

    gutters. Rain continuous

    since the funeral a

    wrecking rattling

    bewildering leafy

    knuckling mob of rain. A

    rain with no instructions.

    Listening to rain

    he thinks how strange

    all its surfaces sound like

    theyre sliding up. How

    strange his mother is lying

    out there in her little

    soaked Chanel suit. The

    weeping has been arriving

    about every seven

    minutes. In the days to

    come it will grow less.

    Mothers in summer.

    Mothers in winter.

    Mothers in autumn.

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  • Mothers in spring.

    Mothers at altitude.

    Mothers in solitude.

    Mothers as platitude.

    Mothers in spring.

    Mothers banking their shots.

    Mothers grackling their throats.

    Mothers dumped from their boats.

    In spring.

    Mothers as ice.

    Or when they are nice.

    No one more nice

    In spring.

    Mothers ashamed and Ablaze and clear.

    At the end.

    As they are.

    As they almost all are, and then.

    Mothers dont come around Again.

    In spring.

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  • Thank you.

    (applause)

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