Archive Session 103

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ukedchat Archive 21 June 2012Hosted by @eslweb

Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

19:59:34 eslwebWelcome to #ukedchat Today we're discussing thenew DRAFT curriculum. I'm your host @eslweb

19:59:50 mrpeel@natachakennedy #ukedchat I take little pleasure inslime Balls getting any credit, whatever the target!

20:00:08 eslweb Shall we start with #Maths, what do we think to thechanges to that part of the curriculum? #ukedchat

20:00:21 ICTwitzOne thing to remember about the draft curriculum isthat it is going to be open for consultation. Not that Ibelieve it matters #ukedchat

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20:00:50 Educationchat#ukedchat So which Primary specialists were

involved in drafting new curriculum?

20:01:10 mr_chadwickPerhaps good to read before #ukedchat gets going?> Dogmatic debate in education only meanseveryone loses http://t.co/6qgYxoGO

20:01:21 ICTwitzAlso, if you are in an academy, the new curriculumwon't be relevant to you, as you can do your ownthing!!! #ukedchat

20:01:30 TommyTeachPE@eslweb #ukedchat it's looking like no NC levels forPE? Firstly why? 2ndly what about measuring

progress for #ofsted20:01:35 mrpeel

#ukedchat interested in the O level rebrand and theAS demise here...

20:01:41 anthonydkingGCSE English past paper http://t.co/DgmBr4JM#ukedchat

20:01:43 anthonydkingGCSE mathematics past paper http://t.co/7ZIcPfLR#ukedchat

20:01:44 anthonydkingO-level English: past paper http://t.co/kR7nmjfl#ukedchat

20:01:45 anthonydking O-level mathematics: past paperhttp://t.co/aNV8l67Q #ukedchat

20:02:07 Educationchat@ICTwitz Ah yes! Because they have a history oflistening to teachers. Oh no - that's CarolVorderman... #ukedchat

20:02:14 ICTwitz There, got that off my chest for #ukedchat

20:02:23 rashush2Why 12 times tables? Just curious. Not like we useshillings any more... #ukedchat

20:02:30 oldandrewuk

@eslweb #ukedchat Is it that different? Main thing I

noticed is it seems short of the usual vague waffleabout using and applying.
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20:02:34 AST_TegRT @ukedchat: #ukedchat will be starting in just afew minutes. If you are joining us unprotect yourtweets and use the #ukedchat hashtag.

20:02:40 eslweb

RT @oldandrewuk: @eslweb #ukedchat Is it that

different? Main thing I noticed is it seems short of theusual vague waffle about using and applying.

20:02:42 rashush2@TommyTeachPE No NC levels for anything,actually #ukedchat

20:02:42 GeekPeterWent on an interesting course today aboutRaiseonline, what a great tool that is, wish it didmore! #ukedchat #data

20:03:14 eslwebRT @rashush2: Why 12 times tables? Just curious.Not like we use shillings any more... #ukedchat

20:03:17 PeterSpencer88@Educationchat it seems that any specialistsconsulted were ignored anyway. Unbelievable#Govemustgo #ukedchat

20:03:21 bekblayton#ukedchat I think the maths draft makes some muchneeded changes in calculation (more straightforward)but seems to do too much too early!

20:03:34 eslweb

RT @bekblayton: #ukedchat I think the maths draftmakes some much needed changes in calculation(more straightforward) but seems to do too much too

early!20:03:46 philallman1

This was my response, written and sent to DfE todayhttp://t.co/FIcfxVRO #ukedchat

20:03:48 mrpeel@anthonydking #ukedchat happy to go back to allend of course testing? I am.

20:04:07 Mallrat_ukJust had 3d projector installed at school have to waittil next week to trial it! #veryexcited #ukedchat#asechat

20:04:08 eslweb@philallman1 Please could you share a few

highlights with us? #ukedchat

20:04:25 BrownieAJMT @natachakennedy:#Gove humiliated by Ed Ballshttp://t.co/V5kyi3ad #ukedchat >sad thing is I betnone of the MPs knew the answers!

20:04:27 mrpeel#ukedchat as ever, some good, some not - issue isfinding the value and discarding the rest.

20:04:41 KempsterDRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:04:51 Educationchat @oldandrewuk @eslweb Did you miss the intensefocus on grammar, phonic testing, raising challenge


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in maths, more knowledge based? #ukedchat

20:05:14 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 Will be 0% once the gvt has FORCEDschools to convert! #ukedchat

20:05:17 jamesgurung

We need a return of Intermediate Tier GCSE. Not

bloody #govelevels. #ukedchat

20:05:24 philallman1'I read the opening paragraphs of all threeprogrammes of study (PoS) and was quietlyoptimistic about their content.' #ukedchat

20:05:39 mrpeel#ukedchat did anyone hear the strangely assertivephonics chap on the news earlier this week-dogma/paedagogy=?

20:06:30 eslweb@NuttyA10 @ICTwitz You're not the only one to saythat here's a TERRIBLE curriculum or you could

become an academy... #ukedchat

20:06:32 bekblayton@NuttyA10 ah, we could debate the do the need toknow for much of the maths curriculum, but its partof the discipline surely? #ukedchat

20:06:35 philallman1'It is w/ regret, however, tht I mst exprs my overalldismay at wht seems 2 B a series of muddled &disparate content led pos.' #ukedchat

20:06:36 rashush2 @mrpeel Who, Greg Wallace? #ukedchat

20:07:02 EducationchatRT @philallman1: This was my response, written

and sent to DfE today http://t.co/FIcfxVRO #ukedchat

20:07:03 dailydenouementEvening #ukedchat folk. So, it's new curricula tonight,yes?

20:07:04 StuMc13RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:07:06 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 The choice is Academy andcurriculum freedom, or State school and statecurriulum. Hmm!! Blackmail? #ukedchat

20:07:16 Educationchat @philallman1 Excellent response. #ukedchat20:07:17 eslweb @dailydenouement Yes, that's it.... #ukedchat

20:07:21 claireothacehe@jamesgurung also the chance that chn's attitudesto learning are different now so a return to an oldsystem won't 'fix' anything? #ukedchat

20:07:26 EducationchatRT @PeterSpencer88: @Educationchat it seemsthat any specialists consulted were ignored anyway.Unbelievable #Govemustgo #ukedchat

20:07:28 philallman1 @Educationchat thank you #ukedchat

20:07:30 PeterSpencer88 Is it just me or is the new primary curriculum a giantleap backwards? Gove's vanity project. Must try


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harder, Mikey boy #ukedchat

20:07:44 MartindalePaul@NorthernGrid @jackcl Great - many thanks for afab day today too! #ukedchat #ngawards

20:07:55 tmeeky

RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in

parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:08:10 mrpeel#ukedchat academy not free if there is a single examboard preparing the exams though -all sit the samein the end - problem?

20:08:11 claireothaceheour school is heading to schemes instead - MathsMakes Sense and Read Write Inc. - any thoughts?#ukedchat

20:08:29 ICTwitz

And today the GCSE/O'Level story, which was

revealed by the Daily Mail first!!! That itself speaksvolumes!!! #ukedchat

20:08:31 claireothacehe@NuttyA10 range of strategies definitely, chn shouldknow that they can draw on many different things#ukedchat

20:08:34 eslwebRT @mrpeel: #ukedchat academy not free if there isa single exam board preparing the exams though -allsit the same in the end - problem?

20:08:38 rashush2

It does make me think, if the grammar school system

produces thinkers like Gove, it makes the case for21C learning stronger #ukedchat

20:08:57 bekblayton@NuttyA10 agreed, but teachers are able to choosecalculation methods, no need to cover all of them.#ukedchat

20:09:01 MartindalePaul@iteachyear1 Dropbox? Let me know if someonetells you another way! :) #mlearning #ipadchat#ukedchat

20:09:02 claireothacehe

RT @PeterSpencer88: Is it just me or is the new

primary curriculum a giant leap backwards? Govesvanity project. #ukedchat

20:09:11 alecwatersRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:09:14 dailydenouementSo, what do people think of the new curricula then?

Are we taking a backward step or should we bepositive? #ukedchat

20:09:16 Totallywired77

Anybody have an effective homework / homelearning

policy for Secondary that they are willing to share?Thank you #ukedchat


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20:09:23 rashush2@claireothacehe That the people who design themare making a LOT of money #ukedchat

20:09:25 ICTwitz@claireothacehe Schools then heading tocommercial schemes of work, instead of state

schemes? Can't work out which is best! #ukedchat

20:09:36 mrpeel#ukedchat not sure how O level differs from currenthigher/standard tiers - every employer knows thetruth behind a pass with an E...

20:09:37 Monty_Math#ukedchat my worry with maths curr is it could leadto too much emph on procedure and we get chn whocan follow methd w/o understanding

20:09:45 eslwebGove went to Robert Gordon's College NOT aGrammar school. #ukedchat

20:09:45 Educationchat@PeterSpencer88 Spot on. Gove's initial attempt toturn all schools into Public schools although guessthat started with academies #ukedchat

20:09:50 jonsmcestRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:09:53 mrpeel#ukedchat and single exam boards for subjectssounds like an excellent idea

20:09:55 philallman1

'thr shld B more balance bet t/ methodologies or as

the natl strats showed us, ppl will do it one way 1size does not fit all'. #ukedchat

20:09:55 dailydenouement

RT @Monty_Math: #ukedchat my worry with mathscurr is it could lead to too much emph on procedureand we get chn who can follow methd w/ounderstanding

20:09:58 jamesgurung#Gove has forgotten that we are preparing studentsfor a different world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat

20:10:09 BryanPHarrison

Need some help folks! Can anyone suggest any

great songs for celebration assembly? Have donethe usual stuff. #ukedchat

20:10:22 dailydenouementYes, I agree. RT @jamesgurung: #Gove hasforgotten that we are preparing students for adifferent world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat

20:10:35 djchug Has anyone got any faith in #gove? #ukedchat

20:10:56 Educationchat@claireothacehe Is there anything more prescriptiveand less creative than Read Write Inc? #ukedchat

20:11:08 eslwebLet's move onto #English, what do we think of the

changes to this? #ukedchat20:11:12 syded06 @jamesgurung Surely there's no need to react to an


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education leaked report on the day GPs went onstrike? #ukedchat

20:11:15 ydixyRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels

http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:11:19 dailydenouementRT @eslweb: Let's move onto #English, what do wethink of the changes to this? #ukedchat

20:11:36 ICTwitz@eslweb It's hard for this not to become a Govebashing session, although he does bring it uponhimself. #ukedchat

20:11:37 bekblayton@NuttyA10 I feel teachers were trying to cover toomany methods in KS2 - think the simplicity will bewelcome #maths #ukedchat

20:11:40 MartindalePaul@iteachyear1 No ideal solution yet as far as I know-going to look at frog's new iOs VLE-could potentiallyanother good solution. #ukedchat

20:11:50 Sarahloooo#ukedchat Yet again- those who know nothing abouthow children learn telling teachers how to do their

job! Disappointing!

20:11:51 rashush2The Ruth Miskin "I set the policy, I write the scheme,I take the money" loop worries me #ukedchat


English is leading us 1 way in KS1 - phonics and

down road of compartmentalised areas in KS2#ukedchat

20:12:11 FatfonziMany teachers have been told to 'have a positiveattitude to teaching maths through the medium ofdance' #ukedchat

20:12:17 rashush250 yrs of research = teaching explicit grammar tounder 12s doesn't work #ukedchat

20:12:21 SCHOOLSNERT @PrincipledLearn: New courses for outstandingteachers on the @SchoolsNE website

http://t.co/hC32xriX #ukedchat #cpchat

20:12:23 HilaryNunnsDoesn't mean worse RT @jamesgurung: #Gove hasforgotten that we are preparing students for adifferent world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat


@ICTwitz me neither! it's an easy way to go though -esp. with RWI as it's gov approved!http://t.co/WWFgq2Dm Michael Rosen blog#ukedchat

20:12:32 mrpeel

#ukedchat more exercised by things likecareer

progress expectations which licence refusal to grantpay increments


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20:12:44 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 Turned? So many saw it as law...and stilldo! #ukedchat

20:12:47 dailydenouementCould you explain RT @philallman1: English isleading us 1 way in KS1 - phonics and down road of

compartmentalised areas in KS2 #ukedchat

20:12:49 cherrylkd#ukedchat is the topic the new maths PoS orchanges in general?

20:12:49 oldandrewuk@Educationchat @eslweb The knowledge wasalways necessary, remember the various strategiyframeworks? #ukedchat

20:12:56 eslweb @ICTwitz I agree... #ukedchat

20:12:58 AngstockwellRT @Sarahloooo: #ukedchat Yet again- those whoknow nothing about how children learn telling

teachers how to do their job! Disappointing!

20:13:01 FatfonziSo now I hope others won't mind being told to bepositive about the expectation to teach mathsthrough the medium of maths. #ukedchat

20:13:15 dailydenouementThe various changes I think. RT @cherrylkd:#ukedchat is the topic the new maths PoS orchanges in general?

20:13:25 ICTwitzWould be interesting to get @michaelrosenyes intothe debate for #ukedchat

20:13:30 philallman1@dailydenouement the prescribed focus ongrammar, punctuation and spelling in isolation is topass the SPaG test. Nothing else. #ukedchat

20:13:34 mrpeel@dailydenouement #ukedchat and yet we have tosomehow create independence and resilience

20:13:37 eslweb@dailydenouement @cherrylkd Various. Just startedoff with Maths. #ukedchat

20:13:41 claireothacehe@NuttyA10 I agree and see that as majordisadvantage - need to make sure they leave space

for that - I think RWI does fings xed! #ukedchat20:14:01 Educationchat

#ukedchat Ah yes - English. Teaching children whatit's like to fail from the age of 5! Brilliant move.

20:14:04 claireothacehe@Educationchat Haven't done it yet - I hope there is!:S #ukedchat

20:14:16 cherrylkd@dailydenouement #ukedchat Thanks. Missed startand was confused.

20:14:20 EducationchatRT @ICTwitz: Would be interesting to get@michaelrosenyes into the debate for #ukedchat

20:14:39 cherrylkd @eslweb thank you #ukedchat20:14:50 rashush2 It all seems about teaching what we can assess


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#ukedchat

20:14:52 claireothaceheRT @jamesgurung: #Gove has forgotten that we arepreparing students for a different world than 20 yearsago. #ukedchat

20:15:17 super_sixfiveRT @claireothacehe: RT @jamesgurung: #Gove hasforgotten that we are preparing students for adifferent world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat

20:15:17 bekblayton@eslweb like most of the Eng curriculum apart fromover reliance on phonics. Lots about Whole Books,lots of high expectations #ukedchat

20:15:22 eslwebLet's make this constructive. You get 1 change each.What would you do? #ukedchat

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20:15:51 dailydenouementI've not had much of a look at new English PoS butknow that my LA Subject advisor wasn't too keen#ukedchat

20:15:59 mrpeel@eslweb #ukedchat the single exam board one atall levels

20:16:04 MagiclanternmanRT @philallman1: This was my response, writtenand sent to DfE today http://t.co/FIcfxVRO #ukedchat

20:16:04 dailydenouement RT @eslweb: Let's make this constructive. You get 1change each. What would you do? #ukedchat

20:16:12 rashush2though I think it'll still be possible to teach well - we'll

just have to be creative with it #ukedchat

20:16:16 bekblayton@NuttyA10 maybe, maybe not. Either way a goodteacher will adapt #ukedchat

20:16:22 ICTwitz @eslweb Change education secretary :-D #ukedchat

20:16:23 eslweb @mrpeel You want it or not? #ukedchat


@eslweb TASC wheel integrated into all planning

with a creative curriculum throughout - teach skillsthrough a fabulous context! #ukedchat

20:16:47 eslweb@ICTwitz Should have seen that one coming...#ukedchat

20:16:48 philallman1@eslweb Skinner said 'Education is wht is left behindwhen wht has bn learned has bn forgotten' < skillsnot knowing stuff #ukedchat

20:16:52 Educationchat@claireothacehe @jamesgurung No he hasn't - heknows that but wants us to go back to said world. As

it's better. #ukedchat20:16:59 MrCursonTweets #ukedchat maybe a small element of open-book


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should be included in exams. Skill in finding ananswer and interpreting for given scenario

20:17:07 mrpeel@eslweb #ukedchat I want - seems sensible toremove the competition to attract which certainly

suggests tactical moves

20:17:13 chrisquigley#ukedchat I think the challenge is how to get the posacross to children without seeing each aspect as alesson objective. Possible

20:17:21 tmeekyThe KS3/4 SEN kids I teach have low self est +poorattitudes twds certain subjts . They (+all kids) needto experience success. #ukedchat

20:17:22 claireothacehe@eslweb P.S. and get to apply them in LOADS ofcontexts! #ukedchat

20:17:33 rashush2Opinions on the idea that we should not move on tothe next thing until the class are all ready to?#ukedchat

20:17:47 Educationchat@eslweb New Secretary of State for Education.#ukedchat

20:17:53 super_sixfive#ukedchat the major thing #Gove has got so badlywrong is a modern curriculum has nothing to do withhis own education!

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20:18:05 philallman1@chrisquigley they remind me of the tick sheets ofthe 1st NC! #ukedchat

20:18:05 MrCursonTweets#ukedchat open book also models real world wherepeople have reference books at hand in whatever jobthey do. No need to remember everything

20:18:10 ICTwitz @eslweb Sorry!!! #ukedchat

20:18:18 bekblayton

@eslweb lots thinking out loud during reading &

writing, which is good but I do wish that speaking &listening was more explicit #ukedchat

20:18:21 claireothacehe@rashush2 not viable unless the class ishomogenous and unfair on all chn - learning =personalised not generalised #ukedchat

20:18:58 aqibishtiaqRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:18:58 tmeeky

Why does every lesson need to start with a LO

written on the board? It makes me cringe. So rigid,uncreative, contrived #ukedchat


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20:19:01 ICTwitzMy concern with the draft curriculum is that I havesense a great apathy within the profession. Many notinterested/concerned!! #ukedchat

20:19:10 PeterAllen1

What are the themes of #ukedchat tonight? I'm sure

there's lots people would like to talk about!

20:19:13 FiLines@eslweb more consultation with those at the 'chalkface' #ukedchat

20:19:22 MichelleDhillon@tmeeky agreed, such a powerful sentiment#ukedchat

20:19:24 mrpeel@NuttyA10 #ukedchat dont adapt, but I'm old andcynical and grumble when I'm told off...

20:19:25 eslweb @PeterAllen1 New draft curricula #ukedchat


If I don't 'know' something I look it up! It is knowing

WHAT to do with it that makes the difference!#ukedchat

20:19:29 stevewillshaw

RT @MrCursonTweets: #ukedchat open book alsomodels real world where people have referencebooks at hand in whatever job they do. No need toremember everything

20:19:35 dailydenouementThe new curricula changes. RT @PeterAllen1: Whatare the themes of #ukedchat tonight? I'm sure there'slots people would like to talk about!

20:19:36 eslwebRT @MrCursonTweets: #ukedchat open book alsomodels real world where people have referencebooks at hand in whatever job they do. No need toremember everything

20:20:11 eslwebIs rote learning really required when you have iPads,books and Internet 24/7? #ukedchat

20:20:16 eylanezekiel#ukedchat Do all these reforms apply to Academies?Given that they are likely to be able to opt out, howmany actually will?

20:20:22 claireothacehe @tmeeky completely agree - chn need to know whatthey have learnt, what to do next etc. and to enjoylearning as priority #ukedchat

20:20:22 mrpeel#ukedchat find it hard to believe that any singlepaedagogical approach should be imposed on atreacher

20:20:27 TeaKayBRT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look itup! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes thedifference! #ukedchat

20:20:53 eslweb RT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look itup! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes the


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difference! #ukedchat

20:20:54 oldandrewuk@philallman1 #ukedchat All the evidence frompsychology is that knowing stuff fluently is whatcounts. Looking up is no substitute.

20:20:57 Educationchat@oldandrewuk @eslweb Agreed but more importantis skills to become more independent. This seems abackwards step... #ukedchat

20:21:01 DidgeH @NuttyA10 What are SPAG lessons? #ukedchat

20:21:02 sezlHow do I get KS4 students more actively engaged inassemblies? #ukedchat

20:21:04 tmeekyI think the changes to Comp Scioffer val lessons..give the community the space to evole best pracfrom the grnd up #ukedchat

20:21:09 mrpeel#ukedchat I teach at acadamy - how can we opt outif the national exam is set in stone - other than the IBroute of course

20:21:09 eslwebRT @oldandrewuk: @philallman1 #ukedchat All theevidence from psychology is that knowing stufffluently is what counts. Looking up is no substitute.

20:21:29 UWHClaire@tmeeky I agree SEN kids really struggle esp nowhave less funding and support. More so at 2ndrylevel #ukedchat

20:21:31 bekblayton@NuttyA10 well thats the point, not as manyprescriptive methods, but a good teacher will adapt.#ukedchat

20:21:34 philallman1@chrisquigley or nailed on to ensure passing aSPAG test! #ukedchat

20:21:49 rashush2Biggest danger is change away from NC levels andbright kids expected to wait for the others #ukedchat

20:21:50 mrpeel @NuttyA10 and sadly they won't #ukedchat


@ICTwitz #ukedchat I'm happy about it. I remember

the last attempt to force primaries to actually teach.Made my job a lot easier.

20:22:10 syded06@eslweb Perhaps the problem is the inability tostandardise tests around a skills base curric that wemust compare a year group to #ukedchat

20:22:19 DidgeH @NuttyA10 thanks #ukedchat

20:22:46 68ronNothing that he has done to date has led me tobelieve that I should give Gove the benefit of thedoubt #ukedchat

20:22:49 Gwenelope My 1 change: get rid of league tables, they arepoisonous. #ukedchat


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20:23:07 eslwebSo do you think the curricula are less dynamic,because it's harder to test skills than knowledge?#ukedchat

20:23:17 MichelleDhillon

@eslweb Depends on what is learnt. Don't agree

with DC but frustrating when kids don't knowdifference b/w you and you're o_O #ukedchat

20:23:19 Monty_Math#ukedchat one change for new curriculum -emphasise assessment for learning rather than topdown targets for yr groups.

20:23:31 dailydenouementRT @eslweb: So do you think the curricula are lessdynamic, because it's harder to test skills thanknowledge? #ukedchat

20:23:33 mattharding007

#ukedchat Oh why oh why oh why can't we have the

curriculum put forward by Jim Rose? I liked that one.It excited me. #nevergivenachance

20:23:34 tmeeky@super_sixfive yeah LO are good (or Focus as I callem) but a rigid formulaic approach to good teachingis more my gripe #ukedchat

20:23:36 ICTwitz@oldandrewuk Well, thank goodness for that. Wouldhate for you to have to work for your wages!!#ukedchat

20:23:41 mrpeel

@Gwenelope #ukedchat can we shed national

testing as well at KS2 then? Work with what arrivesin y7 rather than with inflated grades...

20:23:47 oldandrewuk@MrCursonTweets #ukedchat Unless you want kidsto think. Knowledge in a book or on the internet is nogood for thinking.

20:23:53 gazlad99RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:23:59 pivotalpaul

RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Oh why oh why oh

why can't we have the curriculum put forward by JimRose? I liked that one. It excited me.#nevergivenachance

20:24 richards_jamesThe Top 10 Technology Game Changers for theNext Decade http://t.co/3BhQDLem #addcym#ukedtech #ukedchat


@eslweb not everything of value cn B measured.The best performing jurisdictions haveCOMPETENCY based curricula not factual dogma#ukedchat

20:24:17 MichelleDhillon @eslweb Yes kids have access to this stuff but


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doesn't seem to make a difference when it comes togrammar/spelling mistakes #ukedchat

20:24:19 eslweb@mattharding007 @pivotalpaul Do you have a link?#ukedchat

20:24:21 rashush2RT @Monty_Math: #ukedchat one change for newcurriculum - emphasise AFL rather than top downtargets for yr groups. Aree

20:24:23 thegeogfrogRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:24:29 PeterAllen1Good old Michael 'let's take a backward step' Gove! Iwonder how long it will be until he brings back thecane!? #ukedchat

20:24:31 oldandrewuk@tmeeky #ukedchat All of them? Are you sure youare not just imagining this because you think theyshould have low self-esteem?

20:24:32 Jane78312100@eslweb what/how-ever lessons are delivered, itsthe demands of sub-levels progress that are moststressful - any news on those?#ukedchat

20:24:46 stevewillshawJust produced a student booklet to help improveSPG skills - DM for details #ukedchat

20:24:46 eslwebLot of great tweets... Client struggling to keep up!

#ukedchat

20:25:07 bernard_lizRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:25:12 oldandrewuk@tmeeky #ukedchat Are they quiet and withdrawn?Do they shy away from attention? If not theyprobably don't have low self-esteem.

20:25:12 DexNott#ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell us teachers fairlysoon if Y8 will be doing Olevels

20:25:27 mrpeel @Jane78312100 #ukedchat agree, along with thedaft idea that progress is linear and teenagers arenever hindered by hormones

20:25:28 Jon_Torbitt@mrpeel @gwenelope please no more testing! sucha system just ends up being rigged and kids just gettaught to the test!! #ukedchat #fail

20:25:29 ICTwitzI wonder what the implications are for the future ofassessments! I imagine it becoming for summative!#ukedchat

20:25:30 eslweb RT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell usteachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing Olevels


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20:25:37 MichelleDhillon@eslweb That was meant to be 'your' and 'you're'btw ;) #ukedchat

20:25:38 Angstockwell#ukedchat Should fraction 4 rules/subjunctive/apostrophe supersede creative curric learning opps

for chn with undeveloped life experiences?

20:25:42 oldandrewuk@chrisquigley #ukedchat Lesson objectives areimportant for teachers, but rarely matter to kids.

20:25:42 rashush2@Jane78312100 NC levels to be abolished, theydon't yet know what will replace them #ukedchat

20:25:46 Jon_Torbitt what's tonight's #ukedchat topic again?

20:25:53 A_WeatherallRT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell usteachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing OLevels

20:25:55 DexNott

#ukedchatQ2 Will someone tell me where the money

for t training, text books, reorganising schools iscoming from?

20:25:59 UWHClaire@PeterAllen1 well he shouldnt need to as allstudents are now expected to behave and want tolearn! #ukedchat

20:26:06 richards_jamesTwitter Is Down Across Devices and Platformshttp://t.co/m400AETM via @zite #addcym #ukedchat

20:26:09 68ronAlready looking forward to those discussionsexplaining to parents/carers why their child isn't "best

suited" for O level #ukedchat

20:26:25 oldandrewuk@claireothacehe @eslweb #ukedchat Oh please dotell me about the TASC wheel.

20:26:33 eslwebLet's discuss the leak of O'level comeback...#ukedchat

20:26:37 rashush2@Angstockwell Nah, we'll just have to integratethem... #ukedchat

20:26:38 literatelady#ukedchat is trending. Wonder why? Force #gove topass all current quals with top grades before

deciding they are too easy and worthless20:26:43 oldandrewuk

@claireothacehe @jamesgurung #ukedchat No wearen't.

20:26:44 ChrisEdwards83

RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Oh why oh why ohwhy can't we have the curriculum put forward by JimRose? I liked that one. It excited me.#nevergivenachance

20:26:49 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 There will be an agenda for assessmentand accountability, surely! #ukedchat

20:26:56 Super_Work Halfway through writing APP, I watched@SirKenRobinson's TED speech. Don't care what


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Gove says - it's my mantra in the classroom.#ukedchat

20:27:18 philallman1@eslweb It is insulting for Gove to leak it only to thensay he wants a 'consensus' like he did in parliament

today #hypocrisy #ukedchat

20:27:26 MichelleDhillon@jon_torbitt The new draft curriculum. Keep up! :P#ukedchat

20:27:32 DexNott#ukedchat Q3 we will also be trying to source new ALevel texts ( without the AS level bit?) at same time?

20:27:34 syded06Is there a way to test skills that we talk aboutaccurately, appropriately, quickly and within thelogistical parameters? #ukedchat

20:27:41 geogphil



20:27:45 UWHClaire@DexNott and the time for rewriting schemes ofwork, level descriptors, GCSE course contentalongside new lesson obs format ... #ukedchat

20:27:54 chrisquigley#ukedchat does anyone think any of the pos containirrelevant subject knowledge or skills? I'm strugglingto criticise on those grounds.

20:27:57 mikallaane

RT @68ron: Nothing that he has done to date has

led me to believe that I should give Gove the benefitof the doubt #ukedchat

20:27:57 tmeeky@oldandrewuk Was a bit of a generalisation... Theyare and yes they do. I am certainly not imagining it.#ukedchat

20:28:05 cherrylkd#ukedchat @oldandrewuk @philallman1 if u look itup and remember it that's a good skill, if u have tolook it up each time, nothing mastered

20:28:14 eslwebLet's save the last 5 minutes for opinions on #Gove

#ukedchat

20:28:25 Jon_Torbitt@eslweb no wonder he's scrapping exams when Qslike 'sue wants to buy a phone, which is mostappropriate?' is the opener in GCSE? #ukedchat

20:28:27 oldandrewuk@Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71#ukedchat On a point of principle? "Entertain me nowor I will keep myself ignorant!"

20:28:40 philallman1@chrisquigley no but PoS should not prescribecontent in that way! #ukedchat

20:28:51 mrpeel #ukedchat i wonder what he means by olevels -ifmerely final exam based testing that's IGCSE =


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already exists

20:28:52 rashush2@chrisquigley I think four doses of Darwin might bea bit much...! #ukedchat

20:28:56 chrisrat

RT @chrisquigley: #ukedchat does anyone think any

of the pos contain irrelevant subject knowledge orskills? I'm struggling to criticise on those grounds.

20:29:12 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 That's what I was asking. I am suresomething will crop up!!! #ukedchat

20:29:20 jamesgurung.@rashush2 Children are not a commodity on aproduction line! #ukedchat

20:29:21 oldandrewuk@cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Quite. Thatsaid, we remember stuff better if directly taughtrather than discovering it for ourselves.

20:29:25 eslweb Do you think the Curricula should be about content,skills or both? #ukedchat

20:29:33 fhesbusinessRT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look itup! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes thedifference! #ukedchat

20:30:01 fhesbusinessRT @aknill: @CanonsOPP #ukedchat I think usingSOLO within staff CPD sessions to gauge progresswould be interesting esp. In sharing best practice.

20:30:04 thegreatgar@NuttyA10 @68ron #ukedchat I think the term is a

Young Fogie20:30:07 rashush2 @jamesgurung Too right! #ukedchat

20:30:19 syded06@oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Quite. That said, weremember stuff better if directly taught rather thandiscovering it for ourselves. Haha !!

20:30:22 oldandrewuk@ICTwitz #ukedchat I work very hard thank you. Butit's so more satisfying when it's to help kids reachtheir potential rather than to...

20:30:23 clcsimonRT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell us

teachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing OLevels

20:30:30 philallman1@eslweb The very best bits of the last 15yrs havebeen the PLTS @KS3 and Rose's 6 areas oflearning. They linked! #ukedchat

20:30:31 jenzy7385RT @TeacherToolkit: Whose fault are these poorgrades?! 1969 vs. 2012 #school #ukedchathttp://t.co/Xo26H5De

20:30:49 chrisquigley@philallman1 #ukedchat ok, but it seems they havecombined pos and level descriptors into one. Does

that at least give clarity?20:30:49 68ron @NuttyA10 it's called retro policy spasm #ukedchat


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20:30:51 philallman1 Best thing to do #bringbackmickwaters #ukedchat

20:31 oldandrewuk@ICTwitz #ukedchat ...undo the effects of otherpeople's incompetence and indifference.

20:31:03 Jon_Torbitt

@eslweb ideally both content & skills. skills

demonstrate application of knowledge e.g.computing, experiments, maths working out#ukedchat

20:31:17 ePaceonlineRT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look itup! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes thedifference! #ukedchat

20:31:19 eslwebHow do TASC Wheel and SOLO compare?#ukedchat

20:31:29 A_Weatherall

RT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q2 Will someone tell me

where the money for t training, text books,reorganising schools is coming from?

20:31:31 philallman1@chrisquigley no because we are still summativelymeasured in the old way at end of KS2 w/ nothing inbetween. #ukedchat

20:31:39 MichelleDhillonDoes this mean that us 90's kids who slaved away atour 10+ GCSE's are all thickos then? ;) #ukedchat

20:31:51 oldandrewuk@fhesbusiness @tombennett71 #ukedchat Nor wasthe propaganda film I was commenting on. The

difference is I can justify my position.20:32:02 chocciemaniac

Doesn't there need to be a balance bet' teaching &research? #ukedchat

20:32:18 bekblayton@eslweb Both. Employers, parents & science allvalue the ability to reason, to write and to remember-as well take the initiative #ukedchat

20:32:23 pivotalpaul @MichelleDhillon wobviously :-) #ukedchat

20:32:29 mrpeel@MichelleDhillon #ukedchat yup. And we 60schildren are the way forward...

20:32:29 DidgeH RT @philallman1: Best thing to do#bringbackmickwaters #ukedchat

20:32:32 chrisquigley@rashush2 #ukedchat if we see them as specificobjectives maybe, but the time spent and depth ofteaching can be decided by school surely?

20:32:41 lizdudley@oldandrewuk #ukedchat really? In my experienceit,s the opposite, discovery of a fact gives ownershipand more likely to remember


@Educationchat @eslweb #ukedchat Why? Are we

planning to live in a future where nobody helps eachother? http://t.co/3jKCCGA8


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20:33:21 Jon_Torbitt@MichelleDhillon Nope we did linear subjects sogive likes us! Old 2 1/2hr GCSEs weren't that badwere they? Or were they? #ukedchat

20:33:31 cherrylkd

@oldandrewuk @philallman1 #ukedchat As a child

that was true, as adult I learn best when teachingmyself. Combination of methods needed 4 ch

20:33:37 chrisquigley@philallman1 #ukedchat So is that a curriculumissue or a dislike of testing?

20:33:48 Heatherleatt@mattharding007 Rose's curriculum was spot on.Which is probably why it has effectively been binned.#ukedchat

20:34:02 bekblayton

RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk @philallman1#ukedchat As a child that was true, as adult I learn

best when teaching myself. Combination of methodsneeded 4 ch

20:34:02 mrpeel #ukedchat what of killing of AS?

20:34:23 oldandrewuk@lizdudley #ukedchat Not at all. The extra effort offinding it makes it harder to remember:http://t.co/AYgQ18Ir

20:34:28 philallman1@chrisquigley a curriculum without assessment islike a full english without Sausages! ;) #ukedchat


@Angstockwell @eslweb agreed - it's the right path,

learning thru discovery and practice/experimentation!Computing good example #ukedchat

20:34:35 MichelleDhillon @pivotalpaul Haha, love it :) #ukedchat

20:34:49 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 You never know...the consulation maymean the maths curriculum is changed for the better#nevergoingtohappen #ukedchat

20:35:04 TutorSolutionsRT @TeacherToolkit: Whose fault are these poorgrades?! 1969 vs. 2012 #school #ukedchathttp://t.co/Xo26H5De

20:35:10 eslweb Would anybody think there is a value to 20% time?#ukedchat

20:35:17 68ronPanic among Blairites as they try to triangulate Govelevels #ukedchat Mustn't sound like we opposepublic sector reform even if it is crap

20:35:32 Heatherleatt#ukedchat GCSE introduced to stop the 2 tier O levelCSE system; foundation & higher tier do same job. Ifease is problem, make GCSEs harder


@Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71

#ukedchat You sure it wasn't because those subjectsare infamously easy?


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20:35:32 claireothacehe@philallman1 but I think the summative assessmentis for outside reasons rather than learning focused -formative, peer and self! #ukedchat

20:35:56 chrisquigley

@philallman1 #ukedchat but that's been the prob

with assessment. Lack of clarity as to what should beassessed.

20:36:01 kirstycottonRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:36:08 oldandrewuk@eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchatNothing of the sort. Discovery learning really doesn'twork well.

20:36:11 MichelleDhillon

@mrpeel But everyone is blaming Gove for harking

back to a bygone age. Surely the 60s would be like aPurple Haze? #ukedchat

20:36:23 SarahLearnsThinking about engagement as a starting point forPoS; children and families (and staff). #ukedchat

20:36:27 tafkam1979RT @philallman1: Best thing to do#bringbackmickwaters #ukedchat

20:36:31 fhesbusiness@oldandrewuk: @Cueball61 @tombennett71#ukedchat You sure it wasn't because those subjectsare infamously easy? < u r too much!) Lol

20:36:31 philallman1@chrisquigley @claireothacehe Agree w/ both of youbut they are inextricably linked and all govts haverefused to deal with issue #ukedchat

20:36:38 Lynnewin100 What's going on with #ukedchat tonite then?

20:36:41 steedie1980Why Gove is wrong about O Levels: Lessons fromthe past http://t.co/dQ6bSvz9 via@wordpressdotcom #ukedchat

20:36:42 ICTwitz@NuttyA10 Like some teachers I have seen :-( #ukedchat

20:36:50 GeekPeter Anyone got any ways to identify truly good new staffif people lie on references? I reckon the speed theywalk is good #ukedchat

20:36:53 eslweb @Lynnewin100 Abou the new curricula #ukedchat

20:36:57 chocciemaniac@ICTwitz hope so maths strategy atm is just soconfusing. Just as chn start to get something it'sgone! Pointless #ukedchat

20:37:05 mrpeel@Heatherleatt #ukedchat agree re higher and std.dont really understand the outcry- have to let some

down already20:37:05 Jon_Torbitt @eslweb: Would anybody think there is a value to


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20% time? #ukedchat absolutely - this is when youcan do your best work and experiment!

20:37:05 tmeekyTeacher/TA: student relationships are key, no matterwhat the curric. content. #ukedchat

20:37:08 TutorSolutions @Jon_Torbitt @Angstockwell @eslweb Well said!#ukedchat

20:37:12 claireothacehe @philallman1 true #ukedchat

20:37:12 claireothacehe @philallman1 true #ukedchat

20:37:17 Heatherleatt#ukedchat I am the not very proud owner of a grade3 CSE - grade 1 was equivalent of O level pass. Justas you can get a C at GCSE.

20:37:19 syded06@oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd@philallman1 oh come on 'discovery learning doesn't

work'- really? #ukedchat

20:37:20 philallman1I will NOT compromise my belief in developingunderstanding over content regardless of a dogmaticcurriculum #ukedchat

20:37:27 UWHClaire@bekblayton @eslweb Skills, the knowledge forhistory probably won't help you in further ed, but theskills will #ukedchat

20:37:34 oldandrewuk@Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71#ukedchat Oh for pity's sake. Take some

responsibility for your own learning.

20:37:35 super_sixfiveRT @philallman1: @chrisquigley a curriculumwithout assessment is like a full english withoutSausages! ;) #ukedchat

20:37:41 eslwebWhat about the Australian system where they simplyRank order all students each year? Good? Bad?#ukedchat

20:37:43 ICTwitz@oldandrewuk How did you discover that thediscovery method does not work? #ukedchat

20:37:48 MichelleDhillon @super_sixfive Speak for yourself matey! I'm nothicko :P #ukedchat

20:37:53 mrpeellip@GeekPeter #ukedchat whether they own theirown clipboard

20:38:02 oldandrewuk@syded06 @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1#ukedchat Really. http://t.co/AYgQ18Ir It's beendiscredited.

20:38:03 chrisquigley@NuttyA10 #ukedchat but there is nothing to stopschools broadening the range of strategies surely?

20:38:11 philallman1 @ICTwitz @oldandrewuk self discovery but htat'sanother story ;) #ukedchat


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20:38:12 eslwebRT @chrisquigley: @NuttyA10 #ukedchat but thereis nothing to stop schools broadening the range ofstrategies surely?

20:38:23 GlamorousLeft

RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat GCSE introduced to

stop the 2 tier O level CSE system; foundation &higher tier do same job. If ease is problem, makeGCSEs harder

20:38:29 oldandrewuk @ICTwitz #ukedchat @daisychristo told me.

20:38:37 chocciemaniac@NuttyA10 absolutely! Today I tried to get my classto explain methods to each other and half couldn'tbecause don't understand em #ukedchat

20:38:38 bekblayton@UWHClaire @eslweb true, but learning history, thepeople, dates, events may spark a lifelong

fascination with the topic! #ukedchat

20:38:43 syded06@oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd@philallman1 nice to see some rather more up todate evidence #ukedchat

20:38:51 PetersonJKRT @TeacherToolkit: Whose fault are these poorgrades?! 1969 vs. 2012 #school #ukedchathttp://t.co/Xo26H5De

20:38:57 rashush2Q - Anyone got ideas how you would work with thePOS to keep learning as it should be? #ukedchat

20:39:12 MichelleDhillon@Jon_Torbitt I just remember CONSTANTLYworking. Tons of coursework. No let up. It was abloody nightmare tbh #ukedchat

20:39:12 Jon_Torbitt@Angstockwell @eslweb might depend on thesubject - good teaching will always shine through!Can still learn through doing #ukedchat

20:39:14 claireothacehe@eslweb depends where you are in the ranks!#ukedchat

20:39:18 lizdudley@mrpeel I'd happily kill modules at a level, maybe

keep end of year for as and a2 #ukedchat

20:39:20 Monty_Math@NuttyA10 #ukedchat yes that's exactly myworry,good mathematicians can do it in their heads,don't use writtn formula for everything

20:39:22 oldandrewuk@lizdudley #ukedchat Some of the research is withmedical students. Age isn't a factor. We all learn bestif we gain information easily.

20:39:28 Sarahloooo@GeekPeter You will know when you meet them-Instinct! #ukedchat

20:39:31 HeadDownEyesUp RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels


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http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:39:43 GilchristGeorgeRT @philallman1: I will NOT compromise my beliefin developing understanding over content regardlessof a dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat

20:39:43 UWHClaire @eslweb how to support those continually left at thebottom? #ukedchat

20:39:53 cherrylkd@eyebeams @oldandrewuk @philallman1#ukedchat surely not every ch learns in same way.Some need teaching others need to 'discover'?

20:40:03 chrisquigley#ukedchat Tom Oates was clear about distinctionbetween Nat and school curric.Are some seeing thisas the only things schools will teach?

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20:40:08 bekblaytonRT @chrisquigley: @NuttyA10 #ukedchat but thereis nothing to stop schools broadening the range ofstrategies surely?

20:40:09 Educationchat@oldandrewuk @eslweb Are we planning on living ina world when children can't do anything unlesssomeone is helping them? #ukedchat

20:40:10 ICTwitz

@oldandrewuk Yay, so you discovered it!!! Therefore

discovery learning does work! It's what makes ushuman :-D #ukedchat

20:40:16 tyrrellnookRT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated inparliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevelshttp://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat

20:40:17 oldandrewuk@eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1#ukedchat I'm not arguing from the paper's authority.Read the argument in it. It's solid work.


@MichelleDhillon remember double GCSE Maths.

lotsa work, no messing, no griefing teachers, justwanting to do well & doing well! #ukedchat

20:40:46 oldandrewuk @ICTwitz #ukedchat She *told* me.

20:40:47 tmeekyRT @oldandrewuk: @lizdudley #ukedchat So in infosociety it's importnt to teach how to discover/interpretinfo/knowledge too, yeah?

20:40:58 eslwebRT @tmeeky: RT @oldandrewuk: @lizdudley#ukedchat So in info society it's importnt to teachhow to discover/interpret info/knowledge too, yeah?

20:40:59 GeekPeter #ukedchat is trending! Finally! First time ever Ireckon :)


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20:41 Monty_Math@philallman1: I will NOT compromise my belief indeveloping understanding over content regardless ofa dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat Yes!

20:41 MichelleDhillon

@eyebeams Sounds horrendous no matter what.

Couldn't you Get No Satisfaction? ;) #ukedchat

20:41:06 syded06@oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd@philallman1 I'm not denying there are two sides tothe argument just enjoying your stance #ukedchat

20:41:13 mrpeel@lizdudley #ukedchat kill all modules for me and I'dlose AS too. Lower VIth was a great year when freeto enrich and devel

20:41:20 fhesbusiness

@oldandrewuk: @Cueball61 @tombennett71#ukedchat Oh for pity's sake. Take some

responsibility for your own learning.

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