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GLENN BECK: GLOBAL WARMING,GLOBAL GOVERNMENT?

Interview of Lord Christopher Monckton by Glenn Beck

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GLENN BECK: GLOBAL WARMING, GLOBAL GOVERNMENT?

Interview of Lord Christopher Monckton by Glenn Beck | October 19, 2009

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GLENN: From high above Times Square in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to showin all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. We go toChristopher Monckton, otherwise known as Lord Monckton. I mean, call him Christopher ordo I have to call him Lord? I can't remember what we decided last time we spoke. LordMonckton

LORD MONCKTON: It's very simple.

GLENN: How are you, sir?

LORD MONCKTON: I am fine. Are you on one knee and wearing white gloves and touchingyour forearm?

GLENN: Of course I am, my lege.

LORD MONCKTON: In that case you may carry on.

GLENN: So you are quite the hot topic on Twitter and on the Internet. If we could just find away to control the Internet oh, I remember. Net neutrality. We'll get to that Thursday.Anyway, you are quite the topic because of this new global climate treaty that is coming inDecember.

LORD MONCKTON: Yes.

GLENN: Tell me about it.

LORD MONCKTON: This is the conference of the state's parties to the United Nationsframework convention on climate change, which is a hell of a mouthful, I know. But this hasbeen in the planning for two years, ever since the same conference met in Barley. Theyalways meet somewhere nice. This time it's going to be Copenhagen. And at Barley it wasplanned. As soon as they had got George Bush out of the way, they would push through aclimate treaty which would involve the vast transfer of wealth from the west to poorercountries, in the name of what is called reparations for climate debt. Now, the extraordinarything about the draft treaty which I have now seen is that it goes far further than anythingthat was planned at any previous session. What they're now going to do is to set up a worldgovernment, and the word "Government" actually appears in the treaty. But you heard ithere first. The word "Election, democracy, vote, or ballot" does not appear anywhere in the200 pages of the treaty.

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GLENN: All right, you are talking hold on just a second. You are talking about Paragraph 36and 38 from what I understand.

LORD MONCKTON: That's absolutely right. The word "Government" appears in there.

GLENN: Do you have it in front of you?

LORD MONCKTON: I don't have it in front of me but I can remember it quite well.

GLENN: All right. Of course you can.

LORD MONCKTON: And what it says is this: There will be a new vast interlockingbureaucratic entity created at huge expense to you and me and that bureaucratic entity willhave three purposes, the first of which is twice stated to be government. The secondpurpose is stated to be the transfer or redistribution of wealth from countries like ours tothird world countries in reparation for what is described in the treaty as climate debt. Inother words, we've been burning CO2 in huge quantities. They say that's altering theclimate. Actually we now know it isn't, but they say it is. And therefore they say we have topay, get this, anything up to 2% of GDP every year to poorer countries. Now, the thirdelement in the task of this new government will be what is called enforcement. In otherwords, the power of the new government to make Democratic countries hand over theircash, whether they like it or not. But more than that, there will be an interlocking series of socalled technical panels which will have the right directly to intervene in the economies and inthe environment of individual countries over the heads of their elected governments. Sowhat we are talking about is a fledgling world government and because it's not elected, it'sessentially a communist world government.

GLENN: May I [ask] where are you now?

LORD MONCKTON: I am at the moment in Texas. I'm speaking at Texas A&M tonight. But Iwill be in D.C. or New York for the whole of the next week because I'm trying to make surethat your congress does not allow any of this to happen.

GLENN: All right. You don't stick out at all in Texas, do you?

LORD MONCKTON: No, I fit in just fine. I'm tall, I wear snakeskin cowboy boots.

GLENN: Right.

LORD MONCKTON: And, of course, my Texan accent is famous.

GLENN: Yes. You can just say, howdy, y'all. Go ahead.

LORD MONCKTON: Howdy, y'all.

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GLENN: See? You fit right in. All right. So what I'd like to do is I'd like to, I'd like to spend anhour with you, quite honestly, Lord Monckton, and have you on the TV show and maybebring in ambassador John Bolton about this as well.

LORD MONCKTON: He would be a wonderful man. It would be an honor to take part withyou and him in such a program.

GLENN: Now, does he I mean, does I mean, have you ever met before?

LORD MONCKTON: I have met him briefly, but it would be really good to have a properchance to talk to him on this.

GLENN: All right.

LORD MONCKTON: Because he would certainly, with his vast experience, be able to put thisin context far better than I could.

GLENN: Well, now here's what now, this is the global climate treaty that we are expected tosign, right?

LORD MONCKTON: That's right.

GLENN: And this is something that the president has made a priority, et cetera, et cetera.

LORD MONCKTON: That's right. The danger is that now that he's been given his Nobel PeacePrize, if he goes to Copenhagen with Al Gore at one elbow and Jim Hansen at the other infront of the teeming zombies in their tens of thousands, he will sign anything. And he won'tread the small print. Nobody seems to have read the small print until I picked it up. It's quiteextraordinary that this has got as far as it has with nobody noticing that what they're goingto do is what Maurice Strong who originally, he's a Canadian bureaucrat who originally setup the structure of the UN's intergovernmental panel on climate change 20 odd years ago,he has always wanted this to transmogrify into a world government and he is now going toget his way far faster than any of us had realized unless we can stop him. And we only haveweeks to stop this.

GLENN: Well, I do know that if you look at the transnationalism and the transnationalists,you know, that the New York Times has denied, you know, that Barack Obama issurrounding himself with.

LORD MONCKTON: Yeah.

GLENN: You know, this is the direction they're going. Now, here's the concern.

LORD MONCKTON: Yeah.

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GLENN: The concern is that President Obama would sign this and then it would be ratified bycongress.

LORD MONCKTON: Well, now I'll tell you what has to happen. Under your Constitution, Ithink it's Article VI, there has to be a 2/3 majority of the Senate in order to ratify it. Now, Idon't think that he'll get a 2/3 majority in the Senate. I'm reasonably sure there are enoughsenators including blue dog senators who will realize that if they hand over your democracyand your Constitution and make it subject to this new treaty because that's how yourConstitution works, Article VI taken with the Vienna convention on the interpretation ofinternational treaties means that an international treaty prevails over your Constitution. Andso if he signs away your Constitution, he is signing away for the first time your democracy toan alien bureaucratic entity that you don't elect. That's the danger. Now, if he can't get itthrough the Senate, during his election campaign he and his staff began saying that theydidn't like that part of the Constitution but meant they had to get 2/3 of the Senate to agree.And the way that he is proposing to do it and this was announced during his campaign is toget a simple majority in both houses, which he can of course get because he has areasonable majority in both houses so that the treaty will be enacted into your domestic law.Now, that is slightly less drastic than if the Senate were to ratify it because at least in theoryyou can repeal a domestic law, whereas you can't resolve from a treaty and once you sign atreaty, the only way you can get out of that officially is by getting all the other states partiesto let you go. And since you'll be the country that's big most in the way of reparations,there's no way they will let you go once they've got you into it.

GLENN: Right. And here's also the other problem

LORD MONCKTON: Yeah.

GLENN: that we have. When you can't get the Senate to ratify it, what they do is they getthe states to join in and the cities to join in and then have it contested in court. And whatthey do is then the Supreme Court looks for the movement of law.

LORD MONCKTON: Yes.

GLENN: They look and say, well, which direction is the country and the world moving.

LORD MONCKTON: Yes.

GLENN: And if the country and the world is moving into, well, yeah, there's several cities,several states, several countries that are moving in this direction, well, then it's okay.

LORD MONCKTON: Aha. There is one obstacle that they are going to face this they go downthat route and they know it. It's this: That we now know for certain by measurement thatthe effect of CO2 and all greenhouse gases on temperature globally is less than 1/6th of whatthe UN says it is. This was a paper published just last month by the gallant professor Richard

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Lindzen of MIT who I'm sure you've heard of. He's the Alfred piece professor of planetaryand atmospheric sciences.

GLENN: We've had him on the program before, yes.

LORD MONCKTON: He is a lovely man and he is the guy who really understands what'shappening in the atmosphere. He has done a dazzlingly simple but dazzlingly carefulmeasurement that was taken in 20 years, he's been accumulating the data so that he coulddo it. And he's just published the result. The amount of outgoing radiation escaping intospace is supposed to reduce enormously as the temperature warms down here. That's theofficial theory because of all the greenhouse gases getting in the way. What is actuallyhappening is that nearly all of it is getting out into space just as before. So the warmingeffect of CO2 over the whole of the next 100 years is going to be well below 2 Fahrenheitdegrees, just negligible, it might even be 1 Fahrenheit degrees. And now that that is knownby measurement, all of the UN's report on which this treaty is based are out of date, and theSupreme Court's own judgment in Massachusetts V. EPA where they said CO2 was apollutant because it might cause warming are now also out of date. Because the facts havechanged, and it's now been a measured result. There's no argument with it. Nobody's daredto argue with this paper.

GLENN: How does anybody argue with the fact that when sunspot activity was at its highest,the Earth was the warmest; and when solar activity is now at literally zero.

LORD MONCKTON: Yes.

GLENN: It's cold.

LORD MONCKTON: That's right. You've had your first snow in Pennsylvania in October sincerecords began.

GLENN: Oh, we haven't had snow in Connecticut we had snow last week.

LORD MONCKTON: Yeah.

GLENN: We haven't had that kind of the last time we had snow this early or this kind ofweather, we had 15 feet of snow that winter.

LORD MONCKTON: That's right. And the one thing I think we can very safely say is that thatis not consistent with a story of global warming. But now that we've got this measuredresult, all the previous UN reports were based on computer models. Now, computer modelsare another word for guesswork. They were just guessing. And their guesses were wildlyimplausible. I'm actually feeling very smart because a year ago in the Journal of Physics andSociety, I published a long paper which established by theoretical need that the warming fora doubling of CO2 this century would be less than 2 degrees Fahrenheit. And I published thatresult a year before Dick Lindzen did it by measurement. But it's Dick's paper with his

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formidable authority behind it and because he's done it by straightforward measurement ofthe comparison between changes in surface temperature and changes in outgoing radiation,that is the paper that will bring this scare finally to an end.

GLENN: Well, I know you are the 3rd viscount Monckton of Brenchley, but what the hell doesthat even mean? Who are you really? I mean, you sound honestly, a lot of people listeningright now, Lord Monckton, he sounds like Dr. Bombay.

LORD MONCKTON: Well, how very kind of you. My.

GLENN: (Laughing).

LORD MONCKTON: I am a hereditary peer. In other words, I did not achieve anything Iachieved by merit. I had it thrust upon me, you know, as Winston Churchill used to say, someare born great, some achieve greatness, some have greatness thrust upon them. I hadnobility thrust upon me by having very carefully chosen the right parents.

GLENN: Right, right.

LORD MONCKTON: So it's only a matter of luck. I therefore can't claim any special brilliancejust because I am a Lord. On the other hand, the title does fascinate people, and I'm afraid Ido exploit it quite shamelessly.

GLENN: Right, but what is your background?

LORD MONCKTON: My background is as an advisor to Margaret Thatcher on scientificquestions including this one. I spent four years in her office when she was prime minister ofthe United Kingdom at 10 Downing Street. Mine was the office if you go two floors up justabove the door and two windows to the right, those are the ones where I was. She wasfurious one Christmas when she was taking a picture of the Christmas tree outside DowningStreet and the only two windows that weren't lit in the whole building were mine because Ihad gone home. But I worked there for four years and I gave her advice on all manner ofpolicy but particularly science policy. Not because I'm a scientist. I am not. I don't pretend tobe. I am a classical architect by training. So I do have a certain amount of mathematicalknowledge. I've made a very good fortune out of mathematics over the years.

GLENN: As the guy who did this for Margaret Thatcher, what do you think of John Holdren,our science czar?

LORD MONCKTON: Well, I'll tell you what I think of him. He was the guy who predicted 30years ago that there was going to be an enormous ice age and so much ice would build upon Antarctica that there would be a tidal wave of enormous proportions when the ice fellinto the sea and half of humanity would be wiped out by it. Now, that was the guy who wassaying that 30 years ago and saying we must therefore close down everything. And he saidwe must have population police to tell you and me how many children, how many little

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honorable Moncktons there can be. He wanted to do that, worldwide population police.That's the kind of guy he is. And if you ask me whether I like the sound of that, the answer isno.

GLENN: Well, it's amazing that, you know, what country that sounds like is China. And thereare so many people now that are in our administration that are revolutionaries and Marxistor Maoists.

LORD MONCKTON: Well, Glenn, can I say that you have been doing your country anenormous service by exposing who these people are, how they are connected and theunpleasant organizations who do not mean the West well with whom this administrationseems to have far too many close connections. And I think had it not been for you, none ofus would ever have known any of this. And I do congratulate you on having picked it up.

GLENN: Well, thank you very much, sir. I appreciate it and, you know, I just wish I could beknighted or something, but we don't do that here. I think I get a Slurpee at the end of it.

LORD MONCKTON: Well, I'll tell you one thing you get. President Obama has decided hedoesn't like Fox News on which you appear so splendidly.

GLENN: Yes.

LORD MONCKTON: And I dare say that you are part of that.

GLENN: Yes. I'm very well aware of that.

LORD MONCKTON: So take that as a compliment.

GLENN: All right, I tell you what, Lord Monckton, let me get together and see if I can get atime when you can be on and also Ambassador Bolton. There's no bad blood between thetwo of you, right?

LORD MONCKTON: Not in the least. I should be enormously honored to appear with him,yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Then let me see if I can arrange that and then we'll take that and get peopleon this right away because, you know, these people will do it if people don't wake up.

LORD MONCKTON: They will. And if you get that on the television for an hour, that willfrighten them off. I think it will be enough.

GLENN: You got it, sir. Thank you very much.

LORD MONCKTON: Bless you.

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GLENN: You bet, bye bye Lord Monckton. So Stu, see if you can line that up.

STU: Sure, absolutely.

GLENN: Thank you. Splendid, isn't it? Doesn't he sound like Dr. Bombay from the oldBewitched?

STU: I think he's funny, too.

GLENN: Yeah, he is. I like him.

Source: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/32085/.

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