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jyotirved

From: jyotirved [jyotirved@sify.com]

Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 11:55 PM

To: 'abhinavagupta@yahoogroups.com'

Subject: FW: Ancient arithmatics and numbers recorded in Purans and Ramayan

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From: jyotirved [mailto:jyotirved@sify.com]

Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:11 PM

To: 'HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com'Cc: 'jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com'; 'indiaarchaeology@yahoogroups.com';'vedic_research_institute@yahoogroups.com'; 'akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com';'asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com'; 'mukti_marg@yahoogroups.com'; 'vedicastrology-hyderabad@yahoogroups.com'; 'scienceofastrology@yahoogroups.com'Subject: Ancient arithmatics and numbers recorded in Purans and Ramayan

Dear Dr. R. Krishnan,Welcome to Hinducalendar forum.< I am unable to follow what all is being discussed>This forum is actually meant for streamlining the Hindu calendar which has got derailedbecause of Mesha, Vriusha etc. rashis, especially the so called nirayana ones.< The more I read the more I am confused.>I am glad that you read the posts, since quite a few members do not even read them!Regarding being confused, I can fully understand your predicament, since I have gonethrough all this rigmarole myself.The problem hinges around the fact that from the very childhood, it has been dinnedinto our ears that the Vedic seers like (the real) Vamadevas had, as if, nothing else to doexcept to make predictions for every Tom, Dick and Harry! And that is the GREATEST

LIE THAT HAD BEEN PROPAGATED BY PEOPLE LIKE VARAHAMIHIRA since thefact of the matter is that leave alone delineating the janmpataris of x and y and z, we donot find Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis in any of the Vedas nor in the Vedanga Jyotisham.Similarly, there are no planets like Mangal, Shani etc. there!That naturally proves that the Vedic seers did not touch predictive gimmicks with abarge pole!A document named Koshur6.doc in the files section will give you some idea about thesame!New about your second point, Is there any agreement on Sri Rama's year of birth.There can never be any agreement on the year of birth of Bhagwan Ram! Actually theValmiki Ramayana itself is riddled with some intrinsic/inherent conflicting statements!

For example, it has been said in Balakanda, Canto XV, shloka 29-30, (Vishnu said) Ishall remain on the mortal plane (as Rama) ruling over this globe for eleven thousandyears, which means that Vishnu made a commitment to remain as Rama on earth foreleven thousand years. In the end, in Uttarakanda, Canto 104, shloka 12, it has beensaid, (Yama said to Rama) Now that You have ruled for eleven thousand years, ascommitted by You Yourself.It is thus clear that Bhagwan Ram, as per the VR, ruled for eleven thousand years, whichmeans that the span of human life was much more than what it is these days! At leastthat is the presumption of the VR! Such an event could have happened hundreds of

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thousands of years back, if at all it could ever have happened!Bhagwan Ram is said to have Incarnated in Tretayuga. If we take the duration of yugas as perthe Surya Siddhanta, that means He Incarnated at least before 5000 years of Kali Era(elapsed) plus 864,000 years of Dwaparayuga prior to today i.e. (around) 2000 AD.,presuming that He had incarnated just at the fag end of Tretayuga!And it is just practically not possible that the Valmiki Ramayana could have survived for such along time, and that also in a book form!

As far as the archaeological records are concerned, we cannot trace the history of mankind toan era of a few hundred thousand years back! As per Encyclopedia Britannica, 2008, the process by which human beings developed onEarth from now-extinct primates. Viewed zoologically, we humans are Homo sapiens, aculture-bearing, upright-walking species that lives on the ground and first evolved in Africabetween 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. We are now the only living members of what manyzoologists refer to as the human tribe, Hominini, but there is abundant fossil evidence toindicate that we were preceded for millions of years by other hominins, such asAustralopithecus, and that our species also lived for a time contemporaneously with at leastone other member of our genus, Homo neanderthalensis (the Neanderthals). As such, it is next to impossible to believe that the VR has recorded all these details about

Bhagwan Ram as a Homo Sapiens faithfully about a million years back.The above statement from EB also puts a question mark against the duration of yugas as perthe Surya Siddhanta!We are thus left with two alternatives:

1. To presume that there was no Bhagwan Ram, or2. To presume that there have been interpolations in the VR that we have with us these

days.Personally, I am of the view that as per the principle no smoke without fire, there could nothave been so much of literature about Bhagwan Ram if He had not existed at all!We can, therefore, be never sure as to when Bhagwan Ram incarnated though we can be surethat He did Incarnate!

Regarding your point, What Valmiki says is it not to be taken as correct?, we are left with noalternative but to take quite a few statements as interpolations, especially about His birthchart! The main reasons, that also astrological/astronomical are :

1. We do not find any mention of Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in any of the astronomicalworks prior to the Surya Siddhanta of Maya the mlechha., which came into India aroundfirst century BCE/AD.

2. That means that if we presume that the horoscope of Bhagwan Ram was actuallyprepared by some Valmiki who was a contemporaneous of Bhagwan Ram who had HisLagna in Karkata with Moon and Jupiter therein and so on, He could not have incarnatedprior to first century BCE!

3. This fact is strengthened by the absence of Mesha etc. Rashis in the Mahabharata. That

work is said to be of a much later date than that of the Valmiki Ramayana and it is said inthe same work, What is available in this work will be found in other works also but whatis not found here, will not be available anywhere else. Thus, if there are no Mesha etc.Rashis in the Mbh, there could never be any Rashis in the actual Valmiki Ramayana.

As such, since there were no predictive gimmicks around in India prior to the advent of Greeks,at least the rashis based ones, Bhagwan Ram did not have to suffer the ignominy of planetarysuzerainty and He must have Incarnated much before the Mahabharata!Regarding your point, I understand that PUnarvasu star and Navami could notoccur together is a statement of facts, especially if we take the present set up of nakshatras vis--vis tithis etc. into account. Since tithis remain the same, being a luni-solar distance, and

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Vedic months Madhu, Madhava etc. also remain the same, being oriented to seasons, it cansafely be said that Bhagwan Ram Incarnated in Shukla Paksha Navmi of the month of Madhu,which is also known as lunar Chaitra!If at all His birth has to be clubbed with Punarvasu nakshatra, then it means that at that pointof time, about which nobody is sure, the calculation of nakshatras had a different set ofparameters. That certainly is a possibility. As such, to conclude this post, we can DECLARE IT FROM HOUSETOPS THAT the birth-

chart-particulars of Bhagwan Ram given in the Valmiki Ramayana and other works areINTERPOLATIONS BY SOME GOOD FOR NOTHING JYOTISHIS WHO DID NOT KNOWEVEN ABC OF ASTRONOMY BUT WERE ONLY interested in subjugating Bhagwan Ram toplanetary suzerainty!In the end you have said, I am at a loss. It is actually all due to the chaos created by jyotishis, who call themselves Vedic astrologers these days that every intelligent person has beensubject to such torment. It will be clear from Koshur6.doc in the files section.What is all the more PATHETIC IS THAT A HIS HOLINESS OF ART OF THIS THING ANDTHAT THING has put his seal of approval on the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram as January10, 5114 BCE at 12 Noon in Ayodhya! And do you know why he has done so? Because thatBirth Chart of Bhagwan Ram has been created by an Income Tax Commissioner!

ou can draw your own conclusions!Hope the situation has been clarified!Jai Shri Ram!A K KaulPS

ou have addressed me as Prof. Kaulji. However, I have never been any professor in anyUniversity! I do not have any Doctorates to my credit, either! I am just a learner and willcontinue to be so throughout my life.AKK

--- In HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com, "krishnan" wroteRe: FW: Ancient arithmatics and numbers recorded in Purans and Ramayan

Dear Prof. Kaul Ji

I am unable to follow what all is being discussed. The more I read the more I amconfused. JUst could you enlighten me on one point if you please?Is there any agreement on Sri Rama's year of birth. What Valmiki says is it notto be taken as correct? I understand that PUnarvasu star and Navami could notoccur together. I am at a loss. KIndly explain just this point- Rama'shistoricity and the probable year of birth.

Thank you very much and with regards,

DR.R.Krishnan (Physicist)

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