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Budget Estimates 2009-2010

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Members of the General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 can be contacted through the Committee Secretariat. Written correspondence and enquiries should be directed to:

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General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3

Legislative Council

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Terms of Reference

1. That upon tabling, the Budget Estimates and related papers for the financial year 2009-2010 presenting the amounts to be appropriated from the Consolidated Fund be referred to the General Purpose Standing Committees for inquiry and report.

2. That the committees consider the Budget Estimates in accordance with the allocation of portfolios to the committees.

3. That the initial hearings be scheduled as follows:

Day One: Monday 14 September 2009

GPSC 1 Roads 9.15 am - 11.15 am

GPSC 2 Health, Central Coast 9.15 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 1 Ports and Waterways 11.30 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 1 Finance, Infrastructure, Regulatory Reform 2.00 pm - 5.00 pm

GPSC 2 Ageing, Disability Services 2.00 pm - 4.30 pm

GPSC 2 Aboriginal Affairs 4.45 pm - 6.00 pm

GPSC 1 The Legislature 5.15 pm - 6.00 pm

Day Two: Tuesday 15 September 2009

GPSC 1 Treasury 9.15 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 3 Local Government 9.15 am - 11.45 am

GPSC 3 Mental Health 12.00 pm - 1.00 pm

GPSC 1 Premier 2.00 pm - 5.00 pm

GPSC 3 Attorney General, Industrial Relations 2.00 pm - 3.45 pm

GPSC 3 Corrective Service, Public Sector Reform and 4.00 pm - 6.00 pm

Special Minister of State

GPSC 1 Arts 5.15 pm - 6.00 pm

Day Three: Wednesday 16 September 2009

GPSC 2 Education and Training, Women 9.15 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 4 Fair Trading, Citizenship 9.15 am - 11.00 pm

GPSC 4 Emergency Services, Small Business 11.15 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 2 Education and Training, Women (continued) 2.00 pm - 2.45 pm

GPSC 4 Planning, Redfern Waterloo 2.00 pm - 6.00 pm

GPSC 2 Community Services 3.00pm - 6.00 pm


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Day Four: Thursday 17 September 2009

GPSC 4 Transport, Illawarra 9.15 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 5 Primary Industries, Mineral Resources 9.15 am - 11.45 am

GPSC 5 Commerce 12.00 pm - 1.00 pm

GPSC 4 Science & Medical Research, Health (Cancer) 2.00 pm - 3.45 pm

GPSC 5 Climate Change and the Environment 2.00 pm - 6.00 pm

GPSC 4 Tourism, Hunter 4.00 pm - 6.00 pm

Day Five: Friday 18 September 2009

GPSC 3 Lands, Rural Affairs 9.15 am - 10.15 am

GPSC 5 Energy 9.15 am - 11.30 am

GPSC 3 Police 10.30 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 5 State Development 11.45 am - 1.00 pm

GPSC 3 Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation 2.00 pm - 4.00 pm

GPSC 5 Water, Regional Development 2.00 pm - 4.15 pm

GPSC 3 Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth, 4.15 pm - 6.00 pm

Veteran’s Affairs

GPSC 5 Housing, Western Sydney 4.30 pm - 6.00 pm

4. That an initial round of supplementary hearings be scheduled as follows:

Day One: 16 November 2009

GPSC 1

GPSC 2

Day Two: 17 November 2009

GPSC 1

GPSC 3

Day Three: 18 November 2009

GPSC 4

GPSC 2

Day Four: 19 November 2009

GPSC 4

GPSC 5

Day Five: 20 November 2009

GPSC 5

GPSC 3

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5. That the committees may hold additional supplementary hearings after 20 November 2009 as required.

6. That each scheduled day for the initial round of hearings will begin at 9:15 am and conclude by 6:00 pm.

7. The committees must hear evidence in public.

8. The committees may ask for explanations from Ministers in the House, or officers of departments, statutory bodies or corporations, relating to the items of proposed expenditure.

9. There is no provision under this resolution for a Minister to make an opening statement before the committee commences questioning

10. A daily Hansard record is to be published as soon as practicable after each day’s proceedings.

11. The committees are to present a final report to the House by the last sitting day of the first sitting week in March 2010.

12. Members may lodge questions on notice with the Clerk to the committee during a Budget Estimates hearing and up to two days following.

13. All answers to questions taken on notice during the hearing, and questions on notice lodged up to two days following the hearing, must be provided within 21 days, or as otherwise determined by the committee.

The terms of reference were referred to the Committee by the House on 27 November 2008, see LC Minutes (27/11/2008) 928-929, amended by LC Minutes (23/06/2009) 1253-1255


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Committee membership

The Hon Amanda Fazio MLC Australian Labor Party Chair

The Hon John Ajaka MLC Liberal Party Deputy Chair

The Hon Greg Donnelly MLC Australian Labor Party

The Hon Trevor Khan MLC The Nationals

Ms Lee Rhiannon MLC The Greens

The Hon Roy Smith MLC Shooters Party

The Hon Helen Westwood MLC Australian Labor Party

Non-substantive members who attended the hearings

Ms Sylvia Hale MLC The Greens

The Hon Don Harwin MLC Liberal Party

The Hon Charlie Lynn MLC Liberal Party

The Hon Tony Catanzariti MLC Australian Labor Party

The Hon David Clarke MLC Liberal Party

The Hon Marie Ficarra MLC Liberal Party

The Hon Greg Pearce MLC Liberal Party

The Hon Mick Veitch MLC Australian Labor Party

The Hon Christine Robertson MLC Australian Labor Party

The Hon Kayee Griffin MLC Australian Labor Party

The Hon Michael Gallacher MLC Liberal Party

Dr John Kaye MLC The Greens

The Hon Matthew Mason-Cox MLC Liberal Party

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Table of Contents

Chair’s Foreword x

Chapter 1 Introduction 1

Referral of the 2009-2010 Budget Estimates 1

Hearings 1

Transcripts 1

Questions on notice 2

Chapter 2 Issues raised during hearings 3

Local Government 3

Mental Health 3

Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of State 4

Lands 5

Police 5

Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation 6

Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth and Veterans’ Affairs 7

Appendix 1 Witnesses at hearings 8

Appendix 2 Tabled documents 10

Appendix 3 Minutes 11

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Chair’s Foreword

I am pleased to present this report on the Budget Estimates 2009-2010. This annual Inquiry into the Budget Estimates ensures parliamentary oversight of the Budget, and provides an important mechanism for the accountability of the executive government to the Council.

During the initial round of hearings the Committee held eight hearings, receiving 15 hours of evidence, to examine the portfolio areas of Local Government, Mental Health, Attorney General, Industrial Relations, Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of States, Lands, Police, Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation, Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth and Veterans’ Affairs.

On behalf of the Committee, I would like to thank the Ministers and their officers, and the Committee Secretariat who assisted the Committee during this important Inquiry. I am grateful to my fellow committee members for their contributions to the Inquiry process.

Hon Amanda Fazio MLC Chair


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Chapter 1 Introduction

Referral of the 2009-2010 Budget Estimates

1.1 On 27 November 2008, the Legislative Council resolved ‘that the Budget Estimates and related papers for the financial year 2009-2010 presenting the amounts to be appropriated from the Consolidated Fund be referred to the General Purpose Standing Committees for inquiry and report’.1

1.2 The resolution (referred to as the Budget Estimates Resolution) required each committee to examine the Budget Estimates for the relevant portfolios and report to the House by the last sitting day of the first sitting week in March 2010.2

Hearings

1.3 The Committee held eight public hearings as follows:

Tuesday 15 September 2009 – Local Government

Tuesday 15 September 2009 – Mental Health

Tuesday 15 September 2009 – Attorney General, Industrial Relations

Tuesday 15 September 2009 – Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of State

Friday 18 September 2009 – Lands

Friday 18 September 2009 – Police

Friday 18 September 2009 – Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation

Friday 18 September 2009 – Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth, Veterans’ Affairs.

1.4 No public hearing was held for the portfolio of Rural Affairs, due to ministerial changes that occurred on Monday 14 September 2009. Members of the Committee instead submitted questions on notice in regards to the Rural Affairs portfolio.

1.5 A brief summary of the key issues raised during the hearings is contained in Chapter 2.

Transcripts

1.6 Transcripts of the hearings are available on the Committee’s web page at www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/gpsc3.

1 LC Minutes (27/11/2008), 928-929

2 LC Minutes (27/11/2008), 928-929, amended by LC Minutes (23/06/2009) 1253-1255

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Questions on notice

1.7 Questions taken on notice, and the answers to these questions, are also available on the Committee’s web page.



Chapter 2 Issues raised during hearings

This chapter provides a brief summary by portfolio of the key issues raised during the hearings.

Local Government

2.1 A hearing to examine the portfolio of Local Government was held on Tuesday 15 September 2009. The following issues were raised:

Model code of conduct for local councils

Public availability of council documents

Alcohol-free zones

Financial sustainability of local councils

Finance Management Branch, Division of Local Government

Promoting Better Practice review process

Integrated Planning and Reporting framework

Child safety around dogs

Cost of local government elections

ICAC Inquiry into corruption allegations affecting Wollongong City Council

Political donations and conflicts of interest.

Mental Health

2.2 A hearing to examine the portfolio of Mental Health was held on Tuesday 15 September 2009. The following issues were raised:

Psychiatric Emergency Care Centres

Mental health programs for Aboriginal communities

Community Mental Health Emergency Care program

Government response to recommendations of the Garling Report relating to mental health

Departmental responses to Coronial investigations.

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Attorney General, Industrial Relations

2.3 A hearing to examine the portfolios of Attorney General and Industrial Relations was held on Tuesday 15 September 2009. The following issues were raised in relation to the Attorney General portfolio:

Corrective Services financial assistance to the Environmental Defender’s Office

Terrorism legislation

Regional Solicitor’s Program

Community Justice Centres

Expense for legal aid

Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Act 2006 and Mr Dennis Ferguson

Positions at the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

Judicial appointments

Regulation of surrogacy

Number of juveniles on remand

Crown prosecutors and trial advocates.

2.4 The following issues were raised in relation to the Industrial Relations portfolio:

Procurement policy

Role of Industrial Relations Commission under Commonwealth fair work laws

Functions of the Office of Industrial Relations.

Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of State

2.5 A hearing to examine the portfolios of Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform and Special Minister of State was held on Tuesday 15 September 2009. The following issues were raised in relation to the Corrective Services portfolio:

Prisoner Escort and Court Security Unit savings

Bail and accommodation requirements

Indigenous inmate population

Community Offender Support Program

Prison privatisation

Redundancies and re-employment of staff at Cessnock prison

Rehabilitation and programs to reduce recidivism

Mobile sniffer dogs



Service and programs officer positions

Supervision of interstate sex offenders

Prisoner escapes

Expenditure on consultants.

2.6 The following issues were raised in relation to the portfolios of Public Sector Reform and Special Minister of State:

Public Sector Restructure Plan

Apprenticeships

Cadetships and JumpSTART program.

Lands

2.7 A hearing to examine the portfolio of Lands was held on Friday 18 September 2009. The following issues were raised:

Killalea State Park Trust and potential development

Non-operational rail infrastructure corridors and their possible use for tourism or recreation

Geographical Names Board and naming decisions such as ‘The Hungry Mile’

Crown roads reserves

Cemeteries.

Police

2.8 A hearing to examine the portfolio of Police was held on Friday 18 September 2009. The following issues were raised:

Funding of the NSW Crime Commission

Sales of, and land claims over, police stations

Firearm statistics and the rollout of tasers

Law Enforcement (Powers and Responsibilities) Act 2002, including special powers, motorcycle gang legislation

ATM crime, alcohol related crimes and anti-social behaviour

Use of ethnic descriptors for crime squads

Recording of names during police searches

New police bibles

Road toll by region, unregistered drivers and stolen cars

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Final Report of the Wood Special Commission into Children’s Welfare

Special constables at Parliament House

Crime prevention in rural and regional communities.

Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation

2.9 A hearing to examine the portfolios of Gaming and Racing, and Sport and Recreation, was held on Friday 18 September 2009. The following issues were raised in relation to the Gaming and Racing portfolio:

List of licensed venues with special licensing conditions arising from incidence of alcohol-related violence and assaults

Review into Registered Clubs Industry

Problem gambling

Revenue from gambling tax

Community Development and Support Expenditure Scheme

Star City Casino

Patron safety in licensed premises

Gaming machine entitlement trading

Greyhound Racing NSW and Harness Racing NSW.

2.10 The following issues were raised in relation to the Sport and Recreation portfolio:

Funding for NSW Sports Federation

Review of NSW Sport and Recreation grants

Engaging children in sporting and recreational activities

Gender parity in sport

Disability Sport Assistance Program

Sports rage

Southern Highlands Regional Sporting Complex

Capital Assistance Program grants

Combat sports

Sport and recreation opportunities for indigenous people.



Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth and Veterans’ Affairs

2.11 A hearing to examine the portfolios of Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth and Veterans’ Affairs was held on Friday 18 September 2009. The following issues were raised in relation to the Juvenile Justice portfolio:

Review of Juvenile Justice system

Publication of juvenile re-offending rates

Early intervention programs for young offenders of Aboriginal descent

Emu Plains Juvenile Detention Centre

Assaults within juvenile detention centres

Juvenile Justice Official Visitors Program

Needs of young offenders who are homeless

Research into young offenders

Inability of young offenders to meet bail conditions.

2.12 The following issues were raised in relation to the portfolios of Volunteering, Youth and Veterans’ Affairs:

Indexation of veteran pensions

Role of NSW Department of Veterans’ Affairs

Preservation of State war memorials

Youth unemployment hot spots.

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Appendix 1 Witnesses at hearings

1. Local Government – Tuesday 15 September 2009

Name Position and Organisation

The Hon Barbara Perry MP Minister for Local Government

Mr Ross Woodward Deputy Director General (Local Government), Division of Local Government, Department of Premier and Cabinet

Mr Grahame Gibbs Director Performance Management and Compliance, Division of Local Government, Department of Premier and Cabinet.

2. Health (Mental Health) – Tuesday 15 September 2009


The Hon Barbara Perry MP Minister Assisting the Minister for Health (Mental Health)

Dr Richard Matthews Deputy Director-General, Strategic Development, Department of Health

Mr David McGrath Director, Mental Health Drug and Alcohol Office, Department of Health

Mr John Roach Chief Financial Officer, Department of Health

3. Attorney General and Industrial Relations – Tuesday 15 September 2009


The Hon John Hatzistergos MLC Attorney General and Minister for Industrial Relations

Mr Laurie Glanfield Director-General, NSW Department of Justice and Attorney General

Mr Alan Kirkland Chief Executive Officer, Legal Aid Commission

Mr Don Jones Executive Director, Office of Industrial Relations

4. Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of State – Tuesday 15 September 2009


The Hon John Robertson MLC Minister for Corrective Services, Minister for Public Sector Reform and Special Minister of State

Mr Ron Woodham Commissioner, Corrective Services NSW

Mr Gerry Schipp Deputy Commissioner, Corrective Services NSW

Mr Luke Grant Assistant Commissioner, Corrective Services NSW

Ms Fran McPherson Deputy Director General, Department of Premier and Cabinet



5. Lands – Friday 18 September 2009


The Hon Tony Kelly MLC Minister for Lands

Mr Warwick Watkins Chief Executive Officer, Land and Property Management Authority

Mr Robert Costello Director, Finance and Corporate Support, Land and Property Management Authority

6. Police – Friday 18 September 2009


The Hon Michael Daley MP Minister for Police

Mr Andrew Scipione Commissioner, NSW Police Force

Mr Arthur Diakos A/Executive Director – Corporate Services, NSW Police Force

Mr Philip Bradley Commissioner, NSW Crime Commission

Mr Allan Kearney Director – Prevention and Information, Police Integrity Commission

Mr Les Tree Deputy Director General, Department of Premier and Cabinet

7. Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation – Friday 18 September 2009


The Hon Kevin Greene MP Minister for Gaming and Racing and Minister for Sport and Recreation

Ms Carol Mills Director-General, Communities NSW

8. Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth, Veterans’ Affairs – Friday 18 September 2009


The Hon Graham West MP Minister for Juvenile Justice, Minister for Volunteering, Minister for Youth and Minister Assisting the Premier on Veterans’ Affairs

Mr Peter Muir Chief Executive, Juvenile Justice

Ms Valda Rusis Deputy Director General – Operations, Juvenile Justice

Mr Colin Leslie A/Deputy Director General – Management Services, Juvenile Justice

Ms Gaye Phillips Commissioner, Commission for Children and Young People

Mr Tony Wiseheart Project Director, Volunteering Unit, Office of Strategic Operations, Department of Premier and Cabinet

Mr Darren Mitchell

Assistant Director, Veterans’ Affairs and Grants Administration, Community Engagement and Events Division, Department of Premier and Cabinet

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Appendix 2 Tabled documents

Tuesday 15 September 2009 Public Hearing, Jubilee Room, Parliament House 1. NSW Government Structure – Tendered by the Hon Matthew Mason-Cox MLC 2. Queensland Government, April 2009 – Tendered by the Hon Matthew Mason-Cox MLC

Friday 18 September 2009 Public Hearing, Jubilee Room, Parliament House 3. Map of Crown Lands – Tendered by Minister Kelly 4. Properties scheduled for investment – Tendered by the Hon Michael Gallacher MLC 5. Women and girls: NSW Government efforts to increase the participation of women and girls in sport, physical activities and

recreation in NSW – Tendered by Minister Greene



Appendix 3 Minutes

Minutes No. 33 Tuesday, 15 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 9.00am

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr John Ajaka (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Don Harwin (Khan) Ms Sylvia Hale (Rhiannon) Mr Roy Smith (at 9.08 am) Ms Helen Westwood

2. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Mr Harwin to substitute for Mr Khan Ms Hale to substitute for Ms Rhiannon

3. Correspondence The Committee noted the following item of correspondence received: *** The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – Letter from Committee secretariat to the Hon Barbara Perry MP, Minister for Local Government,

regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

4. Conduct of hearings Allocation of question time Resolved, on the motion of Mr Ajaka: That for the initial round of hearings into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010, the sequence of questions to be asked alternate between Cross Bench, Opposition and Government members, in that order, with 20 minutes allocated to each.

Return date for answers to questions on notice

Moved in accordance with the existing Budget Estimates resolution that for the initial round of hearings into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010, answers to questions taken on notice during the hearing, and questions on notice lodged up to two days following the hearing, be provided within 21 days.

Publication of answers to questions on notice Resolved, on the motion of Ms Westwood: That, according to section 4 of the Parliamentary Papers (Supplementary

Provisions) Act 1975 and Standing Order 223(1), the Committee authorise the Clerk of the Committee to publish the answers provided to questions on notice, except those answers for which a confidentiality is requested, after these answers have been circulated to committee members.

Filming of hearings by journalism students Resolved, on the motion of Mr Harwin: That journalism students from the Australian Centre for Independent Journalism, University of Technology, be approved to film the initial round of public hearings of the Committee in relation to the Budget Estimates 2009-2010, provided the students agree to and sign a copy of the broadcasting guidelines. Mr Smith arrived at 9.08 am.

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5. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Perry that she did not need to be sworn, as she had sworn an oath to her office as a member of Parliament. The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolio of Local Government open for examination. The Minister was examined by the Committee. The Chair interrupted proceedings. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Mr Ross Woodward, Deputy Director General (Local Government), Division of Local Government,

Department of Premier and Cabinet Mr Grahame Gibbs, Director Performance Management and Compliance, Division of Local Government,

Department of Premier and Cabinet.

The Minister and other witnesses were examined by the Committee. The evidence concluded and the witnesses withdrew.

The public hearing concluded at 11.47 am. The public and media withdrew.

6. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 11.48 am until Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 12:00 pm.

John Young Clerk to the Committee

Minutes No. 34 Tuesday, 15 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 12:00pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr Charlie Lynn (Ajaka) (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Trevor Khan Ms Lee Rhiannon Mr Roy Smith Ms Helen Westwood

2. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Mr Lynn to substitute for Mr Ajaka.

3. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – Letter from Committee secretariat to Hon Barbara Perry MP, Minister Assisting the Minister for

Health (Mental Health), regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.



4. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Perry that she did not need to be sworn, as she had sworn an oath to her office as a member of Parliament. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Dr Richard Matthews, Deputy Director-General, Strategic Development, Department of Health Mr David McGrath, Director, Mental Health Drug and Alcohol Office, Department of Health Mr John Roach, Chief Financial Officer, Department of Health.

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolio of Mental Health open for examination. The Minister and other witnesses were examined by the Committee. The evidence concluded and the witnesses withdrew.

The public hearing concluded at 1.05 pm. The public and media withdrew.

5. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 1.05 pm until Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 2.00 pm.


Minutes No. 35 Tuesday, 15 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 2.00pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr David Clarke (Ajaka) (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly Ms Marie Ficarra (Khan) Dr John Kaye (Rhiannon) Mr Roy Smith Ms Helen Westwood

2. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Mr Clarke to substitute for Mr Ajaka Ms Ficarra to substitute for Mr Khan Mr Kaye to substitute for Ms Rhiannon

3. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – From Secretariat to Minister Hatzistergos, Attorney General and Minister for Industrial Relations,

regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

4. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted.

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The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Hatzistergos that he did not need to be sworn, as he had sworn an oath to his office as a member of Parliament. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Mr Laurie Glanfield, Director-General, NSW Department of Justice and Attorney General Mr Alan Kirkland, Chief Executive Officer, Legal Aid Commission Mr Don Jones, Executive Director, Office of Industrial Relations.

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolios of Attorney General and Industrial Relations open for examination.



5. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 3.48 pm until Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 4.00 pm.

Rachel Simpson Clerk to the Committee

Minutes No. 36 Tuesday, 15 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 4.00pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr John Ajaka (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Mason-Cox (Khan) Ms Sylvia Hale (Rhiannon) Mr Roy Smith Ms Helen Westwood

2. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Mr Mason-Cox to substitute for Mr Khan Ms Hale to substitute for Ms Rhiannon

3. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – From Secretariat to Minister Robertson, Minister for Corrective Services, Minister for Public

Sector Reform and Special Minister of State, regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

4. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Robertson that he did not need to be sworn, as he had sworn an oath to his office as a member of Parliament.



The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Mr Ron Woodham, Commissioner, Corrective Services NSW Mr Gerry Schipp, Deputy Commissioner, Corrective Services NSW Mr Luke Grant, Assistant Commissioner, Corrective Services NSW Ms Fran McPherson, Deputy Director General, Department of Premier and Cabinet.

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolios of Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform and Special Minister of State open for examination.

The Minister and other witnesses were examined by the Committee. Hon Matthew Mason-Cox MLC tendered the following documents:

NSW Government Structure Queensland Government, April 2009

The evidence concluded and the witnesses withdrew. The public hearing concluded at 6.02 pm. The public and media withdrew.

5. Deliberative meeting Resolved, on the motion of Mr Ajaka: That the Committee accept and publish, according to section 4 of the Parliamentary Papers (Supplementary Provisions) Act 1975 and Standing Order 223(1), the following documents tendered during the public hearing: NSW Government Structure, tendered by Mr Mason-Cox Queensland Government, April 2009, tendered by Mr Mason-Cox

6. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 6.02 pm until Friday, 18 September 2009 at 9.00 am.

Rachel Simpson Clerk to the Committee

Minutes No. 37 Friday, 18 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 9.00am

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) (at 9.23 am) Mr David Clarke (Ajaka) (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Greg Pearce (Khan) Ms Sylvia Hale (Rhiannon) (at 9.18 am) Mr Roy Smith Mr Mick Veitch (Westwood)

2. Apologies Amanda Fazio (delayed until 9.23 am)

3. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Mr Veitch to substitute for Ms Westwood Mr Pearce to substitute for Mr Khan Mr Clarke to substitute for Mr Ajaka

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Ms Hale to substitute for Ms Rhiannon

4. Election of temporary Chair

The Clerk noted the absence of both the Chair and Deputy Chair for the meeting. According to Standing Order 211(3), the Clerk called for nominations for a member to act as Chair for the purpose of the meeting. Mr Clarke moved: That Mr Pearce be elected Chair of the Committee. There being no further nominations, the Clerk declared Mr Pearce elected Chair.

5. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence received: 16 September 2009 – From Minister Whan, Minister for Emergency Services, Minister for Small Business and

Minister for Rural Affairs, advising that he is unavailable to attend the Lands and Rural Affairs hearing on Friday morning.

The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – From Secretariat to Minister Kelly, Minister for Police, Minister for Lands and Minister for Rural

Affairs, regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

6. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Kelly that he did not need to be sworn, as he had sworn an oath to his office as a member of Parliament. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Mr Warwick Watkins, Chief Executive Officer, Land and Property Management Authority Mr Robert Costello, Director, Finance and Corporate Support, Land and Property Management Authority.

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolio of Lands open for examination. The Minister and other witnesses were examined by the Committee.

Ms Fazio arrived at 9.23 am and took the Chair. Minister Kelly tendered the following documents:

Map of Crown Lands. The evidence concluded and the witnesses withdrew.

The public hearing concluded at 10.15 am. The public and media withdrew.

7. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 10.15 am until Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10.30 am.

Rachel Callinan Clerk to the Committee



Minutes No. 38 Friday, 18 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 10.30am

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr David Clarke (Ajaka) (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly (at 10.45 am) Mr Mike Gallacher (Khan) Ms Sylvia Hale (Rhiannon) Mr Roy Smith Mr Mick Veitch (Westwood)

2. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Mr Veitch to substitute for Ms Westwood Mr Gallacher to substitute for Mr Khan Mr Clarke to substitute for Mr Ajaka. Ms Hale to substitute for Ms Rhiannon

3. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 14 September 2009 – From Secretariat to Minister Daley, Minister for Police, regarding the Minister’s scheduled

appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010. 1 July 2009 – From Secretariat to Minister Kelly, Minister for Police, regarding the Minister’s scheduled

appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

4. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Daley that he did not need to be sworn, as he had sworn an oath to his office as a member of Parliament. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Mr Andrew Scipione, Commissioner, NSW Police Force Mr Arthur Diakos, A/Executive Director – Corporate Services, NSW Police Force Mr Philip Bradley, Commissioner, NSW Crime Commission Mr Allan Kearney, Director – Prevention and Information, Police Integrity Commission Mr Les Tree, Deputy Director General, Department of Premier and Cabinet.

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolio of Police open for examination. The Minister and other witnesses were examined by the Committee. Hon Michael Gallacher MLC tendered the following documents:

Properties scheduled for divestment.

Mr Bradley and Mr Kearny withdrew at 10.35 am. The examination continued.

The evidence concluded and the witnesses withdrew.

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5. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 1.00 pm until Friday, 18 September 2009 at 2.00 pm.

Rachel Callinan Clerk to the Committee

Minutes No. 39 Friday, 18 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 2.02pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr John Ajaka (Deputy Chair) Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Charlie Lynn (Khan) Ms Lee Rhiannon Ms Kayee Griffin (Westwood)

2. Apologies Mr Roy Smith

3. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Ms Griffin to substitute for Ms Westwood Mr Lynn to substitute for Mr Khan

4. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – Letter from Committee secretariat to Hon Kevin Greene MP, Minister for Gaming and Racing

and Minister for Sport and Recreation, regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

5. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister Greene that he did not need to be sworn, as he had sworn an oath to his office as a member of Parliament. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Ms Carol Mills, Director-General, Communities NSW.

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolios of Gaming and Racing and Sport and Recreation open for examination.

The Minister and other witnesses were examined by the Committee. Minister Greene tendered the following document:

Women and girls: NSW Government efforts to increase the participation of women and girls in sport, physical activities and recreation in NSW

The evidence concluded and the witnesses withdrew.



The public hearing concluded at 4:01 pm. The public and media withdrew.

6. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 4:01 pm until Friday, 18 September 2009 at 4.15 pm.


Minutes No. 40 Friday, 18 September 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Jubilee Room, Parliament House, Sydney, at 4.15pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr David Clarke (Ajaka) Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Charlie Lynn (Khan) Ms Lee Rhiannon Ms Christine Robertson (Westwood)


3. Substitute members The Chair advised that she had received written advice that the following members would be substituting for the purposes of this hearing: Ms Robertson to substitute for Ms Westwood Mr Lynn to substitute for Mr Khan Mr Clarke to substitute for Mr Ajaka.

4. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 1 July 2009 – Letter from Committee secretariat to Hon Graham West MP, Minister for Juvenile Justice,

Minster for Volunteering, Minister for Youth and Minister Assisting the Premier on Veterans’ Affairs, regarding the Minister’s scheduled appearance time for the Inquiry into the Budget Estimates 2009-2010.

5. Public hearing: Inquiry into Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Witnesses, the public and media were admitted. The Chair made an opening statement regarding the broadcasting of proceedings and other matters. The Chair reminded Minister West that he did not need to be sworn, as he had sworn an oath to his office as a member of Parliament. The following officials from departments, statutory bodies or corporations were sworn: Mr Peter Muir, Chief Executive, Juvenile Justice Ms Valda Rusis, Deputy Director General – Operations, Juvenile Justice Mr Colin Leslie, A/Deputy Director General – Management Services, Juvenile Justice Ms Gaye Phillips, Commissioner, Commission for Children and Young People Mr Tony Wiseheart, Project Director, Volunteering Unit, Office of Strategic Operations, Department of

Premier and Cabinet Mr Darren Mitchell, Assistant Director, Veterans’ Affairs and Grants Administration, Community Engagement

and Events Division, Department of Premier and Cabinet

The Chair then declared the proposed expenditure for the portfolios of Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth and Veterans’ Affairs open for examination.

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The public hearing concluded at 6:04 pm. The public and media withdrew.

6. Deliberative meeting Tendered documents Resolved, on the motion of Mr Donnelly: That the Committee accept and publish, according to section 4 of the Parliamentary Papers (Supplementary Provisions) Act 1975 and Standing Order 223(1), the following documents tendered this day during the earlier public hearings: Map of Crown Lands, tendered by Hon Tony Kelly MP, Minister for Lands Properties scheduled for divestment, tendered by Hon Michael Gallacher MLC Women and girls: NSW Government efforts to increase the participation of women and girls in sport, physical

activities and recreation in NSW, tendered by Hon Kevin Greene MP, Minister for Sport and Recreation

Supplementary hearings Resolved, on the motion of Ms Rhiannon: That the Committee defer its decision regarding holding supplementary hearings relating to all of its portfolios until after the receipt of answers to questions taken on notice at the initial round of Budget Estimates hearings.

7. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 6.10 pm sine die


Minutes No. 41 Thursday, 22 October 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Members’ Lounge, Parliament House, Sydney, at 1.05 pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr John Ajaka Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Trevor Khan Ms Lee Rhiannon Mr Roy Smith Ms Helen Westwood

2. Minutes Resolved, on the motion of Ms Westwood: That draft Minutes No.’s 31 and 32 be confirmed. Resolved, on the motion of Mr Khan: That draft Minutes No.’s 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39 and 40 be confirmed.

3. Correspondence The Committee noted the following items of correspondence received: Letters providing answers to questions taken on notice during the Budget Estimates hearings on Tuesday 15

September 2009: o 8 October – Minister Perry (Local Government) o 9 October – Minister Perry (Mental Health) o 9 October – Minister Hatzistergos (Attorney General, Industrial Relations) o 9 October – Minister Robertson (Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of

State). Letters providing answers to questions taken on notice during the Budget Estimates hearings on Friday 18

September 2009:



o 13 October – Minister Whan (Rural Affairs) o 13 October – Minister Kelly (Lands) o 13 October – Minister Daley (Police) o 14 October – Minister Greene (Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation) o 14 October – Minister West (Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth, Veterans’ Affairs).

The Committee noted the following items of correspondence sent: 18 September 2009 – Letters from the Secretariat requesting answers to Budget Estimates questions on

notice by 5 pm Friday 9 October 2009, to: o Minister Perry – Local Government o Minister Perry – Mental Health o Minister Hatzistergos – Attorney General, Industrial Relations o Minister Robertson – Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform, Special Minister of State.

23 September 2009 – Letters from the Secretariat requesting answers to Budget Estimates questions on notice by 5 pm Wednesday 14 October 2009, to:

o Minister Kelly – Lands o Minister Whan – Rural Affairs o Minister Daley – Police o Minister Greene – Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation o Minister West – Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth, Veterans’ Affairs.

4. Budget Estimates supplementary hearings Resolved, on the motion of Mr Donnelly: That the Committee hold no further hearings to consider matters relating to the portfolios of:

Local Government Mental Health Attorney General, Industrial Relations Lands, Rural Affairs Police Gaming and Racing, Sport and Recreation Juvenile Justice, Volunteering, Youth, Veterans’ Affairs.

Ms Rhiannon moved: That the Committee hold a supplementary hearing to consider matters relating to the portfolios of Corrective Services, Public Sector Reform and Special Minister of State, on a date to be determined by the Chair after consulting with Committee members.

Question put. The Committee divided Ayes: Mr Ajaka, Mr Khan and Ms Rhiannon Noes: Mr Donnelly, Ms Fazio, Mr Smith and Ms Westwood Question resolved in the negative.

8. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 1.10pm sine die

Cathryn Cummins Clerk to the Committee

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Draft Minutes No. 42 Tuesday, 24 November 2009 General Purpose Standing Committee No. 3 Members’ Lounge, Parliament House, Sydney, at 2.15 pm

1. Members present Ms Amanda Fazio (Chair) Mr John Ajaka Mr Greg Donnelly Mr Trevor Khan Ms Lee Rhiannon Ms Helen Westwood


3. Minutes Resolved, on the motion of Mr Donnelly: That draft Minutes No. 41 be confirmed.

4. Correspondence The Committee noted the following item of correspondence received: 30 October 2009 – From the Chair of General Purpose Standing Committee No. 2 to the Chair, providing

information on the vulnerable witness protocol utilised by General Purpose Standing Committee No. 2.

5. Chair’s draft report - Budget Estimates 2009-2010 Resolved, on the motion of Mr Ajaka: That the report be the report of the Committee, and that the Committee

present the report to the House, together with transcripts of evidence, answers to questions on notice, minutes of proceedings and correspondence relating to the Inquiry.

6. Draft Protocol for vulnerable witnesses The Committee noted the draft vulnerable witness protocol prepared by General Purpose Standing Committee No. 2.

7. Adjournment The Committee adjourned at 2.20pm sine die

Cathryn Cummins Clerk to the Committee

Documents

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