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Supplementary Statement By John F. Shouldice 1st. Lieutenant "F" Coy. 1st Battalion, 1916. On Saturday at about 11 a.m. I was directed with some others who had been with me in Reilly's to go to the Four Courts and obtain some rest. I think we rested for a few hours in the Law Library for I have a recollection of obtaining some books for a pillow. I then came out to one of the barricades in Church St., near Bow St., where I remember meeting Lt. Sean Flood and Gerald Feeney and from conversation with them learned that negotiations were taking place for a conditional surrender, Instructions reached us some hours later to fall back to the Four Courts, Main Hall or Restaurant, where Comdt. Daly addressed us. and stated that orders had been received from General Pearse that we were to lay down our arms and surrender unconditionally. This was the cause of an outburst amongst the men and some of the officers who replied that they would tight on sooner than surrender. Comdt. Daly, however, sympathised with them and stated that personally he would prefer to fight on under these conditions, but the orders from General Pearse were definite and had to be obyed. The officers and men who had protested, overwrought, and some in tears, then proceeded to smash their arms or render them useless for further action. A few managed to get away from the Four Courts to friend's houses in the locality where they treated and eventually escaped from the area, avoiding arrest and deportation or worse. The Four Courts was gradually being surrounded by strong military forces and the final surrender occured about 7 p.m. To the words on page 2 of my original statement I am not aware that any street manoeuvres took place before the Rising", add the words but had attended Officers lectures on Street and barricade and house to house fighting given by the O'Rahilly, Thomas McDonagh and other leaders, prior to Easter Week, in Great Brunswick Street (now Pearse Street).

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Supplementary StatementBy

John F. Shouldice 1st. Lieutenant "F" Coy. 1st Battalion, 1916.

On Saturday at about 11 a.m. I was directed with some

others who had been with me in Reilly's to go to the Four

Courts and obtain some rest. I think we rested for a few hours

in the Law Library for I have a recollection of obtaining

some books for a pillow. I then came out to one of the

barricades in Church St., near Bow St., where I remember

meeting Lt. Sean Flood and Gerald Feeney and from conversation

with them learned that negotiations were taking place for a

conditional surrender, Instructions reached us some hours

later to fall back to the Four Courts, Main Hall or

Restaurant, where Comdt. Daly addressed us. and stated that

orders had been received from General Pearse that we were to

lay down our arms and surrender unconditionally. This was

the cause of an outburst amongst the men and some of the

officers who replied that they would tight on sooner than

surrender. Comdt. Daly, however, sympathised with them and

stated that personally he would prefer to fight on under these

conditions, but the orders from General Pearse were definite

and had to be obyed. The officers and men who had protested,

overwrought, and some in tears, then proceeded to smash their

arms or render them useless for further action. A few

managed to get away from the Four Courts to friend's houses in

the locality where they treated and eventually escaped from

the area, avoiding arrest and deportation or worse. The Four

Courts was gradually being surrounded by strong military

forces and the final surrender occured about 7 p.m.

To the words on page 2 of my original statement I am not

aware that any street manoeuvres took place before the Rising",

add the words but had attended Officers lectures on Street

and barricade and house to house fighting given by the

O'Rahilly, Thomas McDonagh and other leaders, prior to Easter

Week, in Great Brunswick Street (now Pearse Street).

DURO SCAIRE mileata 1913-21(Bureauof Military History 1913-21)

QUESTIONNAIREOn

The Rising of Easter Week 1916

and Associated Events

To John F Shouldice

This questionnaireis the propertyof the Bureau. Anystatementor information given on any matter withwhich it dealswill be treatedas confidential.

26 Westland Row,Dublin 'Phone: 61018

A. PERSONALFACTORS.

1. At the commencementof the Rising wereyou amemberofany ofthe fiveorganizationswhichtookpart, viz.:

The Irish Volunteers yes

Irish Citizen Army

FiannaEireann

Hibernian Rides

Cumannma mBan

2. Were you a memberof the Executive,H.Q. Staff,etc.? No.

3. To what unit, c.g., Brigade,Battalion, Company,eic., wereyouattached?

Fu. Ist Batt

Dublin Brigade

4. Did you take part in the Rising? yes

5. Were you in uniform? pertly

6. What wasyourrankor officeat thecommencementof the Rising?

1st Limterant

7. Whenand by whomwereyouappointed? Battalion Affrus

At FrostMedingOf Co.

a/t, rotunda meoting in1913

No.8. Was yourrank alteredduringtheRising?

In what circumstancesand by whom?

9.What

posts

oroffices

did

you

hold

previously?

Volunteer

10.

Who

were

the

officers

ofyour

Brigade,

Battalion

and/or

Company

immediately

prior

toand

during

the

Rising?

Ed.

Daly

Catt

Coh

Eva

Bucky

V

Catt

Fionan

Signed

Capt.of

F.

Company

11.

Which

ofyour

Unit

officers

took

part

in

the

Rising?

All

ofthem

12.

Who

were

appointed

toreplace

those

who

did

not

turn

out,

and

bywhose

authority?

13.

At

the

time

ofthe

Rising

were

you

amember

of

the

I.R.B.?

yes

14.

Ifso,

what

was

your

position?

a

member

only

15.

When

did

you

join?

1900

or1901

inLondon

Inwhat

circle?

Cannot

read

same

cine

atDr.

MacBride

P.S

O'Hegarty.

J.C.

Makely

Where

did

itusually

meet?

Chanary

hone

Who

was

its

centre?

Dr

Mark

Ryan

Hand

unted

inLondon

Dr

MacBride

Anne

artoe

How

many

members

were

there?

has

them

adoge

incentre

Can

you

give

names?

Probably

same

Maguire

orJ.L.

Mutcaly

By

whom

were

you

introduced

and

bywhom

were

you

sworn

in?

asout

argent

Transheval,

to

Dublin

in

1907

from

IRB

Signed

about

1912

Rejoined

about

wade

(Among

todifferences

ainesgt)

Reeks

ofMovement

offormation

ofBrish

Isla.

B.-The

Volunteers

Prior

to

the

Rising.

1.To

what

extent

and

inwhat

way

were

the

I.R.B.

responsible

for-

(a)the

formation

ofthe

Irish

Volunteers,

and

(b)the

direction

ofitspolicy?

Hergelyresponsible

2.

What

were

the

channels

through

which

itexercised

its

influence?

Through

Brigade

Bathation

&Co.

Officer

of

Volunteers

3.

What

members

ofthe

I.R.B.

held

key

posts

in

the

Volunteers,

and

how

was

that

arranged?

Bruetirethy

all

officers

ofVolunteers

were

members

ofI.R.B.

4.

Did

the

circumstances

leading

tothe

expulsion

ofMr.

John

Redmond's

nominees

from

the

Executive

ofthe

Irish

Volunteers

on

24th

September,

1914,

have

any

bearing

onthe

holding

ofthe

First

Annual

Convention

on25th

October,

1914?

Ifso,

how?

5.Had

arrangements

been

made

tohold

the

Conven-tion

before

the

expulsion?

6.

Did

the

First

Convention

clarify

ordevelop

the

stated

policy

of

the

Volunteers

inany

way?

Ithink

they

did,

but

amenable

togive

partimeten

as

I

was

only

a

junior

officer

7.

How

many

delegates

atthat

Convention

were

members

ofthe

I.R.B.?

How

many

were

supporters

ofthe

Irish

Party?

How

many

were

supporters

ofSinn

Fein,

i.e.

Arthur

Griffith's

Policy?

How

many

had

noaffiliation

with

any

political

partyCan

you

give

names?

Was

not

at

convention

8.

Between

the

First

Annual

Convention

on

25th

October,

1914,

and

the

Second

on

31st

October,

1915,

how

often

did

the

General

Council

meet?

Are

the

Minutesof

these

meetings

available?

9.

Was

general

policy

discussedat

these

meetings?

How

far

was

there

unanimity

of

outlook

within

the

Councilon

policy?

10.

Did

the

Second

Annual

Conventionon

31st

October,

1915,

consider

policy,or

clarifyitor

developit

in

any

way?

Can

you

give

particulars?

Who

led

the

discussions?

What

decisions

on

general

policy

were

made?

Cannotsay.

11.

Seven

G.H.Q.

Posts

are

mentionedin

the

reportof

the

Second

Annual

Conventionof

the

Volunteers

of

31st

October,

1915.

Accordingto

information

givenin

various

issues

of

the

Irish

Volunteer

and

elsewhere,

these

posts

and

the

occupantsof

someof

them,

were:

1.

Chiefof

Staff-Eoin

MacNeill.

2.

Directorof

Arms-The

O'Rahilly.

3.

Director

of

Training-Thomas

McDonagh.

4.

Director

of

Military

Organisation-P.H.

Pearse.

5.

Quartermaster-Michael

Staines.

6.

Directorof

Military

Operations

7.

Directorof

Communications

CannotRigbymostof

these

but

believe

hegare

wood

According

toa

Headquarters

Bulletinof

19th

December,

1914,

this

organization

was

approved

by

the

General

Council

on

5th

December,

1914,

and

put

into

operationat

once.

Two

other

posts

are

mentionedin

the

same

paper

as

also

having

been

created,

possibly,ata

later

date,

viz.:

8.

Director

of

recruiting-Vice-Comdt.

Sean

Fitzgibbon,

appointed

14th

April,

1915.

9.

Chief

of

Inspection-Capt.

J.J.

O'Connell

appointed

November,

1915.

Were

there

other

postsof

this

type

on

G.H.Q.

Staff,

e.g.:-

10.

Directorof

Engineering.

11.

Directorof

Intelligence.

Can

you

givea

complete

list?

12.

How

and

when

were

these

various

posts

created?

13.

Who

were

their

successive

occupants?

ForExample

the

HughesOfficer

to

Rigby

C.-Preparations

for

the

Rising.

1.

When

and

in

what

circumstances

did

you

hear

first

ofthe

intended

Rising?

(a)

inthe

early

stages

asapossible

event;

(b)

asaspecific

project.

Early

in

April

of

1916

2.

Ifatameeting,

who

convened

it?

Bersoned

(Confidential)

Where

did

ittake

place?

Information

Who

were

present?

Who

gave

the

information

and

inwhat

capacity?

Harry

Island

On

what

authority

was

heacting?

Fellow

of

I.R.B.

3.

Did

he

show

you,

orread

from,

adocument?

Ifsocan

you

say

ifacopy

can

beobtained?

Ifnot,

can

you

reconstruct

itstext

from

memory

or

otherwise?

No

4.

were

there

any

comments

from

those

present

byway

ofapproval,

dissent

orotherwise,

and

by

whom?Did

any

discussions

follow?

5.Were

the

Brigade,

Battalion

orCompany

O/Cs

Consulted

atany

time

before

the

decision

for

the

Rising

was

made?

Ifso,

what

form

did

that

consultation

take?

What

was

the

consensus

ofopinion?

Was

there

any

opposition

ordissent

and

ifso

Cannot

Say

6.Was

the

question

ofconfining

the

Rising

toDublin

ever

proposed

orconsidered?

Ifso,when,

where,

who

were

present,

and

what

was

theresult?

Ifsuch

adecision

was

made,

when

and

inwhat

circumstances

was

italtered?

Cannotsay

7.What

was

the

influence

ofthe

I.R.B.

in

bringing

about

theRising?

I.R.B.

largely

responsible

Ibelieve.

How

wasitexercised?

Through

Volunteer

Senior

Officers

Mostly

8.

Were

the

plans

specifically

approved

bytheI.R.B?

Cannot

Say.

9.

Was

the

date

decided

onbythat

body?

Very

probably

10.

What

authority

decided

upon

the

Rising,

and

of

whom

did

itconsist?

Final

Decistion

was

make

atliberty

Hall

late

on

Easter

When,

where

and

who

were

present?Sunday

(orfor

asIcan

recolled)

by

Thos

Chip

and

Senior

Volunteers

Officers

including

Tom

Dacker

Sean

Morse

Mott

James

Connolly,

Patrick

become

TMcDonagh

Iwas

waiting

bad

part

ofEaster

Sunday

1.What

was

the

relation

of

that

Authority

to

(a)

the

Supreme

Council

ofthe

I.R.B.;

(b)

the

Military

Committee

ofthe

I.R.B.;

(c)

theGeneral

Council

ofthe

Volunteers;

(d)

the

Central

Executive

ofthe

Volunteers,

and

Cannot

say

at

Teachers'

Hall

ofthis

third

innorth

Frederick

Street

for

instruction

recording

metalydion

of

my

company

and

not

in

the

with

mobitiges

become

Sunday

and

early

on

Easter

C.-Preparations for the Rising.

1. When and in what circumstancesdid you hearfirst of theintended Rising?

(a) in theearly stagesas apossibleevent;

(b) as aspecificproject. Early inApril of

1916

2.If at a meeting,whoconvenedit?

Bersoned(Confidential)Where didit take place?

InformationWho were present?

Who gave theinformationand inwhat capacity? Harry Island

On what authority washe acting? Fellow memberof I.R.B.

3. Did he showyou, orread from,a document?

If socan you say ifa copy canbe obtained?

If not,can youreconstructits text frommemoryor otherwise?

No

4. were there any comments from those presentby way of approval,dissentor otherwise,and bywhom?

Did any discussionsfollow?

5. Were the Brigade, Battalion or Company O/CsConsultedat any time beforethe decisionfor the

Rising wasmade?

If so, what form did that consultationtake?

What wastheconsensusof opinion?

Was thereany oppositionor dissent and if so.by whom?

Cannot Say

6. Wasthe questionofconfiningthe Risingto Dublinever proposedorconsidered?

If so,when,where,who werepresent,and whatwas the result?

If sucha decisionwasmade,whenand in whatcircumstanceswasit altered?

Cannot

say

7. What wasthe influenceof the I.R.B. in bringingabout theRising? I.R.B. largely responsibleI believe.

How wasit exercised?Through Volunteer Senior

Officers Mostly

8. Werethe plansspecificallyapprovedby the I.R.B? Cannot Say.

9. Wasthe datedecidedon bythat body? Very probably

10. What authority decideduponthe Rising,and ofwhom did it consist?

Final Decistionwasmakeat liberty Hall late onEaster

When, whereand whowerepresent?Sunday (or for asI canrecolled) by

Thos Chip and Senior VolunteersOfficersincluding Tom DackerSean MorseMottJames Connolly, Patrick becomeT McDonaghI was waiting bad partof Easter

Sunday1. Whatwas therelation of that Authority to

the SupremeCouncil of the I.R.B.;

the Military Committeeof the I.R.B.;

the GeneralCouncilof the Volunteers;

the CentralExecutive of the Volunteers,and

(e)G.H.Q. Staff ofthe Volunteers.

Cannotsay

at Teachers'Hall ofthisthirdin north FrederickStreetfor

instructionrecordingmetalydionof my company

and notin the with

mobitiges becomeSunday and

earlyonEaster

8

12. Did that decisioncommit the Volunteersalone,or did it bind also the four other independentbodieswhich took part;

The Irish CitizenArmy

Fianna Eireann

the HibernianRitles

Cumann na mBan.

Cannot say.I was only concerned

with my companyof

Volunteers.

13. If so, how was this unified decisionarrived at?

14. If not, who decided separately for these fourbodies?

When,whereandhowwere theseparatedecisionsand the organizationsto whichthey applied, co-ordinated?

15. What stepswere taken in your Brigade,Battalionor Companyto preparefor the Rising?

On receptof informationregardingRising I had

intonationwas to CoMobibegesand wabitized a number

of the myself16. Was the approvalof Clan na Gael in the UnitedStatessoughtfor theRisingorany aspectofit?

If so,what are the particularsandwhatwastheresult?

Cannotsay

17. Can you giveany informationas to fundsor anyother formof help soughtfromor providedby Clanna Gaelor any otherbody in the United Statesorelsewhere?

No

18. Were any proposalsmade or consideredfor theimportation of arms fromGermany or the UnitedStates as part of the preparationfor the Rising?

I understood

there were fromContactwith after

If so,where, whenand in what circumstances?LewisofficersofBattyOCo.

9

19. Accordingto availableinformation,the followingwas

(a) the compositionof the SupremeCouncil,and

(b)the personnel of the Military Committeeof the I.R.B. immediatelybeforethe Rising:-

(a) Compositionof theSupremeCouncil:Chairman.A representativeof each of the following

sevenareas, one of whomwas Chairman

LeinsterMunsterUlsterConnachtNorth EnglandSouth EnglandScotland

The Secretaryand the Treasurer

Can you say who were the Chairman, theSecretaryand theTreasurerrespectively?

Who wastherepresentativeofeachof the sevenareas just beforethe Rising?

When were theyappointed or elected?

It isunderstoodthattherewerecertainco-options.Can yougive any information,includingthe datesof co-option?

(b) Personnelof theMilitary Committee:the followingis believedto have beenthe

personnel. Canyou confirmor correctthis?

Eamonn Ceannt-Appointed by the SupremeCouncil,May, 1915.

Padraig Pearse-Appointed by the SupremeCouncil,May, 1915.

JosephPlunkett-Appointed by the SupremeCouncil, May, 1915

JamesConnolly-Co-optedJanuary-February,1916.

Thomas McDonagh-Co-opted April, 1916.The Secretaryof the SupremeCouncil,Sean

McDermott andtheTreasurer,TomClarke.

Theseseven signed the Proclamationof 1916.

No

aventall

information

10

20. Was it the Military CommitteeoftheT.R.B. which..decidedupon the Rising?

I believe it wascomein conformationwithIH & officers

of volunteers

21 Was it in any way responsibleor subordinatetothe SupremeCouncilof the I.R.B.?

22. Had its decisionsto be approvedor ratifiedby theSupremeCouncil?

CannstSay

23. How didit securecompliancewithits decisionsby

(a) the Irish Volunteers, who were technicallyan independentorganisation,subjectonly totheir Central Executive and their GeneralCouncil,and

(b)the other independentbodieswhich took partin the Rising,viz:

The Irish Citizen ArmyFianna EireannThe Hibernian Rifles,andCumannna mBan.

24. Who drafted the Proclamationof 1916?

25. On what authority was this done?

26. On what authority did the seven signatoriespurportto signonbehalfof theProvisionalGovernmentGovernmentof the Irish Republic?

27. Who werethe membersof the ProvisionalGovernment?Government?

Did they includethe sevensignatories?

How were they appointed?

no

Definite

information

11

28. Who wasto be the Presidentof the Republic,or

the headof the Stateunderany other title?

29. How was be selected,and how washe appointedor to be appointed?

30. Have you any informationasto theeircumstancesin which the CountermandingOrder was issued

by Eoin MacNeill?

31. Did lie at any time consentto be associate4withthe Rising either beforeor after the issueof his

countermandingOrder?

Cannst

Say

D.-PLANS

FOR

THE

RISING.

1.

Do

you

know

ifthere

was

any

general

plan

for

the

whole

country?

I

Believe

therewas.

2.

Ifthere

was

one,

was

itever

committed

towriting?

3.

Isthere

acopy

extant?

Ifnot,

can

you

recollect

what

itwas?

4.

Who

drew

itup?

When

and

where?

5.

What

was

its

original

form

and

what

changes

were

made

initbefore

itreached

final

form?

(a)

prior

to

Eoin

McNeill's

Countermanding

Order;(b)Subsequently.

6.

What

was

the

plan

for

Dublin

city

and

county?

Is

itonrecord?

Ifnot,

can

you

reconstruct

it?

7.

Towhat

extent,

ifany,

was

itinspired

bythat

of

Robert

Emmet?

CannotSay

8.Did

the

plan

contemplate

immobilization

in

buildings?

Idonot

think

et

Ifnot,

was

such

immobilization

the

result

ofthe

Countermanding

Order

orwhat

was

thepurpose?

Our

instructress

were

toretire

to

the

14

15. What military posts weredecided upon for occu-pation,and whatwas their military purpose

I occupantNorthKingStreet-ChurchSt Crossing&

Adjoiningbaidling-UnterdaySecondlaneof Communication

fromnotwould

cityholedupSonnyAttackasAdams BarracksCreetedHadabout20numbers

16.Wereall these postsoccupied andif not, whynot?

Yes don'tWesleyHeld (Lockof

Numbers

17. What units of the variousorganizationswere

allotted to eachpost?

Ditsiled account

give by mein Summery

of Particular Sports

subble to Burean

in October 194718. In the event

16

27. Had theLeaders ofthe Risingany realhope of a

military victory

(a) BeforetheCountermandingOrder? Cannotsay

(b)After thatOrder? Not MuchI believein was a numberwho took part in the Rising

or were theysatisfiedthat a seriouseffort shouldbemade,evenif it weredoomedfromthe beginningto bea military failure?

I believe,Yes

28. What wasthe strengthoftheVolunteersinIrelandat the date of the Rising?

Cannot say.Therewere way wood in

Dublin about1800

Positionalon last Monday numberto approve1300 before

veryEnfield29. In the event of the Volunteersthroughoutthe

wholecountrybeingmobilized,what percentagewasit expectedwouldturn out?

30. What wasthe armssituationgenerallythroughoutthe country?

Week-generally

Were any units whollyor partly armed withPikes?

nonein Dublinas

far asI know

Wasthere a standardPikeprescribed?

31. How and to what extent wasit hopedto remedylackof armsby-

(a)Landings.

(b)Captures.

Good hepes with oinking of the

anda fair number were signedin raids

and purchase would from indierdadmembers of baylistFars in Dublin

power W EowlerWeek

17

E.-Missions Abroad.

1.When andwherewas thedecision to seekexternal

aid first mooted?

By and to whomwasit made,and in whatcircumstances?

What weretheoriginal proposalsand in whatwaywere theysubsequentlyalteredor developed?

What actionwas taken?

2. Were theremissionsat any stage to the UnitedStatesor elsewherein connectionwith theproposals

for theRising, eitherwith informationorin searchof aid?

If so, who weretheenvoys?

3. By whom andto whomwerethey sent?

4. Whatmessagesdidthey carry?

Were theywritten, and,if so, are originals orcopiesextant?

5. What weretheir instructions?

What reports ormaterial werethey expectedto bring backor secure and what didthey bringback?

6. How did they travel?

How did they securepassportsand forwhatostensiblepurposes?

Cannot

Say

18

7. Were any of theseenvoysinterceptedorarrested?

If so,what are the factswithinyourknowledge?

Wasthereanyleakageof informationasa result,andwhatwerethe results?

8. Were there any communicationsbetween theI.R.B. and theClanna Gael in America regardingRogerCasement?

If so,to what purpose?

Are there any originals or copiesof correspondencecorrespondenceextant?

9. Did Roger Casementknow of negotiationsforexternal aid when he went to America in 1915?

10. Was Roger Casementa memberof the I.R.B.?

If so,by whom,whenand to what Circlewas heswornin?

11. Was his visit to Germanyauthorisedor approvedby theVolunteerExecutive,bytheSupremeCouncilor the Military Committeeof the I.R.B., by ClannaGaelin America,orby anyotherbodyin Ireland?

12. To what extent were the I.R.B. or the VolunteerAuthorities aware of his intended missiontoGermany?

13. Did they approve?

14. Where did he get his funds?

cannot

tay

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15. Who arrangedhis transport to, and his contactsin Germany?

16. Did he carry with him any credentials,and, if so,by whomwerethey signedandto whomweretheyaddressed?

If there any authenticcopy available?

17. To whom did he report on his mission,and howwerehis reportstransmitted?

18. Have you any other informationon that matte

19. What did thosewhosenthim, if hewassent,hopto secureas a result of his mission,whetherthe form of:

(a) arms:

(b) a military and/ornaval expedition;

(c) personnelto train or direct the Volunteerseither beforeor duringthe Riisng?

(d) military or naval aid elsewhereto relievepressurein Ireland

(e) post-war diplomatic or other advantages.

20. Was Casementawareof the missionof the Germanarmsship the "Aud." when he decidedto returnto Ireland for Easter Week?

Cannot

tay

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F. THE VATICAN.

1. Was there any proposalto approachthe Vaticanbeforehandin regardto the Rising?

2. If so,where,when,by whomand in whatcircumstancescircumstanceswasit made?

What decisionwasarrivedat?

3. What approaches,if any, were made? In whatform, to whom,and when?

4. Weretheymadeby letter or byenvoy?

5. If by letter, towhomwasit addressed,andby whomwasit signed?

Couldyou say if a copyisextant,or if thetextcould be reconstructed?

6. If by envoy, who was he and what were hisinstructions?

7. Had he credentialsor any other document?

If so,what wasit?

By whomwasit signed?

To whomwasit addressed?

Is a copyextant?

If not, couldyoureconstructits contents?

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8. Are copies of any other relevant documentsavailable?

9. Thereisevidencethat CountPlunkettwasin Romefrom 13th to 17th April, 1916.

Had this any relation to the questionof anapproachto the Vatican?

Noinformation

of

thecontacts

22G.-THE FRAMEWORK OF THE RINSING.

1. How and whenwereyoufirst mobilised?

Baired Instruction onlyin for werea notitiveCo for

EasterSunday.Was your unit subsequentlydismissedand

re-moblilised?Yes-Uone ofthem

that turnol uf aftercount montingorleswith instructionnotgare Dublin luting furth ans.

Was there a fallingoff in theattendanceat theremobilisation? Yes

if so.To whatextent? Afarda vordfmy larfany turral upon

bastleMonday- minty ron9 retive whitenes

of decisionregardingto risinga difficultyof reading

all memebersof Co. before12 noon2. Were you awareofthe purposefor which youwere

mobilised,viz, an armedrising? Yes

3. In what military postor outpostwereyouin theRising?

North Ringthat

churchstcrossing

(De detailed reportformader

by noin October1947)

4. Were there with you anymembersoforganisationsotherthan yourown,e.g.;

The Irish Volunteers?Mostly

The Irish CitizenArmy? None

Fianna Eireann aboutexadayon in four courts areaine orders jerry and paddyholdra

The Hibernian Rifles a few

Cumann na mBan About 5 or 6 at fathermatther HallFrenchstreet order edith mission

Ineachcasewho wastheir O.C.?

Werethereany membersoftheNationalVolunteers? No.

5. How didsucha mixingof forcesarise?Difficulty of mofoligation

dedgmarksof visitsand abveraofquestion of

6. What wasthe totalgarrisonof yourpost? 20 approd

How many were in uniform and of what

organisations?Probably10 in

Volunteeruniformother partlyin uniform

sport coortian

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7. To what Battalions, Companiesor other unitsdid theybelong?

Tractually and

memberof F Co

estbisil witha fewfrom othercompamisofsame battabor

8. Fromwhom,and in whatmannerdid youreceiveyour instructionto occupythe post or postsyourdid?

Whenprocedingfrom colmaeleHall

Blackhall placeto fourcourtsarea gotverbal instructionfrom capt ofco(fionanlrynd)and ComdtBeaslair

9. Wasit in writing?

If so, haveyou the orderor a copyof it, or canyoureconstructit?

No wortler orders

If verbal,what wereits terms?To roed and porbly crossing

ord at churchstreet-northring streetwith adjoiningcomes rercetstreet

barricadesfor thepurpose

10. What was the military purposeof your post? Todefendcrossing

What steps weretaken to put that purposeinto effect?

Fromenemy attordsfrom BritishBarracks(Backouldst

makbrooadpolfalve) from smithfullfrom capelstreet(Cityside)

11. What steps weretakento fortify and defendthepost itself? ProadstonestationandnorthDublinunionpartly takenoverby militaryand tobut crossingter for ourown forces

fromfourcourtsto

12. What street barricadeswere built, where,and owhat materials?

Onepaconysmithfiad

capelstreetBroadston

For what particularpurpose?

Baistwithvaridyofartules barrelfath remply,burescarts cabsoldfurniture bag sader fablewith road habble plants toa hose cab ownnad for a

messageinonebarreadeReithys(Emply House)

13. How were communicationsto be maintainedbetween your post and outpostsand withotherposts? At couseofacrossingno takenone

& barriadelwith mossoffrommeal tofrom adjoiny belongpelly cortointhe rak callbelly

fort was manbyus

arhlard rest andfor medsfor menorbarricades. Whenbarricadesbad toto wacustedarvingtrantianrifle and madine profirereilby wasused fordefend

Barricadeswerecoveredfrom reillys

14.Were they put into operation and were theyeffective?

A cornerhouseonthe thard st side outsideto rally butfacingSmithfieldwasalsopostfiedupperportioncoveringbarricade.Therecordingrefuced leare & had to aroundflor fortherselves.This hamewas lattervacaletbyvolunteerswho bellbadronluchs fort

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15. If therewas a breakdown,what was the cause?

16. What werethe consequences?

17. Can you say what were the civilianoccupationsof themembersof yourunit who wereout in theRising?

For the whole form courts garrison area, the total

number of baiticipand's wasopprosinately

340. This was obtassied

from the roll of honour liet clizela was cornfield bythe

garrison ctee ofwhich I acted as

hon-Secretary

25H.-ARMS.

1. How were the membersof your unit armed inEaster Week?

My unit assisted

of atent 20 fords3 terricatesand

reiblysfort

Couldyou give an estimateasto the numberswhowerearmedwith-

about 10 or 12 bad

servisecortine rifles

(a).Serviceor otherrifles firing 303 ammunition

includingcarbines;

Critaple for 303ammor

(b) Howth rifles; about 6 with

lismitedempsolyof ammor

(c).Other rifles of caliber other than 303;Nil

(d) Shotguns; Nil

(e) Revolvers andautomatic pistols; 3 or 4

(f) Pikes. Nil

2. Howmany hadbayonets? About 6

Were thereany shot-gunBayonets? NO.

3. What types and quantitiesofexplosivesincludinggrenadeswerein your unit?

How were they intended tobe used?

How and whenwere they actually used?

No explosives

or grenades

4. If any memberswerearmed with shotguns,wasthat dueto shortage,ofotherweapons,orweretheyso armedfor a particularpurpose?

5. Were there any ammunition or grenadesmadeduring the Rising?

If so,how,when,where,by whomandwithwhatequipment?

A few cenestes

ports weremade in battalinearea-post were

famed bto unless

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6. What percentageof the totalavailable armsinyour unit wasactuallybrought out in the Rising?

All exuptingmo

rifles and somes

7. Did shortage of ammunitionoccur during theRising?

Ammor seipadfrommony foras pabl learythe highting

yes

If so,what weaponswere affectedby the

shortage?Rifles

What wasthe effecton themilitary effectivenessof your post?

bouldnot bouldcrossingwhich wasvvasstedtgeneral

log hours before sunerdidon Saturday

8. Were anyarmslost in action? No-Butmortly begone

ineffection chough best and

ardling before uncastion ofpost wvn

9 Wereany armscaptured from theenemy? Yes serricerifles and about rounds

ofamour onlya few afterrifles mae

intant10. What, andthroughwhatchannel,werethecontactswith Germanywhich led to the despatchof thearms ship, the "Aud"?

11. What wasthe extent of its cargo?

12. What areasor units wasit intendedto arm withthe weaponswhichit carried?

13. If thesearms hadbeenlanded, whatdoyouthinkwouldhavebeentheresultofthe militaryeffective-nessofthe Rising?

(See report

of ferandrecallestive)

NO

Information

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I.-WIRELESS.

1. Were arrangementsmade before or during theRising to use wirelessfor the purposesof:-

(a) Broadcastingnewsofthe Risingto theworld;

(b) Contactingthe Germanarmsship;or

(c) for anyother purpose.

2. Who was responsiblefor these arrangements?

3. How wasequipmentprocuredorto beprocured?

4. Wasthere trained personneltooperate it?

Can yougive details?

5. It isunderstoodthat themissionof theparty whichmet with the accident at BallykissanePier.Killorglin, on Good Friday night, 21st April,was to removethe equipmentfron the WirelessSchoolat Cahirciveenfor useelsewhereandto setfire tothe building.

Have youranyinformationonthis mission?

NO

Information

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J.-ENGINEERING.

1. In Dublin,party wallsbetweenhouseswere brokenthroughto facilitatecommunicationandmovement.Andloopholeswerealso made.

Who selectedthepoints forthesepurposes,andwhodid the actualwork?

From partywalls werebroken

throughin my unilarea workwasbyrodsmemberofvisit

dora beforefighbingluane inkore.

2. What training wasthere in preparationfor this? No.

3. Werethesecommunicationor loopholepoints,orany of them, selectedbeforethe Rising,or weredecisionsmadeon thespot?

Decision workon the pot.

4. What equipmentwasused?How and wherewasit acquired?Was anyof it preparedbeforehandandbroughtin?

a few crowbatbroaned westly.

5. It hasbeen statedthat an effortwasmadeto blowup NelsonPillar.

Is this true?

If so,wasit part of anyplan?

What was thepurpose?

What precautionswere takento prevent damageto the G.P.O. and other occupiedbuildingsin theimmediate vicinity?

6. What wasthereasonthe attemptfailed,if it were,in fact, made?

Cannol

sory

29K.-FLAGS.

1. Was any flaghoistedover any buildingorelsewherein your area?

2. if so,what wasits design.e.g., tricolour ofgreen,white and orange,orgreenflagwith harp, etc.? One Tricolour

pinall discussion(flag

exected about

anbot of crossing

was)

3. If atricolour,werethe bands

(a) vertical, or

(b) horizontal?

In the caseof (a), whichcolourwasnext tothepole?

In the caseof (b),which colourwason top?

4. Where wasthe flagobtained,or who madeit?

5. What were its approximatedimensions?

6. Of whatmaterial wasit made?.

7. Whobroughtit intothe Rising,and towhat organi-sationor unitwashe orshe attached?

8. Who hoistedit?

9. Whereexactly wasit hoisted?

In the caseof a building, givethe exact spotifpossible.

Cannol

sory

3010. Was therean existingflag pole,or hadoneto be

improvised?

11. What happenedto the Hagat the terminationofthe Rising?

Was it left flying, and what was its ultimatefate?

Wasit takenaway, and if so,by whom?

Is it still in existence,and canyousay whereitis now?

cannot tay

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L. RAILWAYS AND SHIPPING.

1. Were there any plansto immobolisethe railwaysin Dublin or other variouspointsin the country?

By what meanswas it proposedto do this?

To what extent were the planscarriedout andto what extent were they effective?

2. Was it proposedin any circumstancesto usetherailwaysas part of the Rising?

3. Were there any plansto seizeorimmoboliseshipping,shipping,or to prevent the approach of shippingduringthe Rising?

If so,what werethey and to whatextentandtowhateffectweretheseplansput into operation?

no

information

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4 How were bread and other food obtainedduringthe Rising?

Lapper of

bread meat

were sight

from load sighs(spray ablution)

5. How wascookingdone?

in nameof chairmanfor beford days tardy in wick

in five in stays mconcavity

lat formday of wick

6. Who weredetailedfor this work? Two memberofunit

7. In generalwhat type of mealwas provided?

Reserve typeother for a few

days

8. Were thereany difficultiesabout water supply? No.

What precautions,if any, were taken againstfailure of supply?

N-FIRE

1. What measureswere takento dealwith fire? None

2. Did occasionarise tousethem? When hive hall bas

If so,were theyeffective?Was Eton five by

vollerters

ware wasbowyer of includingIf not,why weretheyineffective?Hosewasob Tarawain ND it

fured fora fen haves per repont

in Donald recollection.

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O-CLERGY.

1. Wasyour garrisonor unit visitedat any time byclergymenof any denomination?

Yes by church

street fathers about

and augustons and

other Fabianfist

2. If so, can yougive their names,parishes,ordersor other identificationparticulars?

Yare springand

Knowapart in the fromcount area ate did

Feb ridassembling

lawks

4. How oftendid eachvisit,andhow longdidhestay? Albert Kingstoncarried marriedof regulatingand

my SAstrikO'FleanyanRiddt

at Retleytobe

RichmondKeys5. Wereany of thempresentat the surrender?

If so, part didthey

take?Cks remendedother wounded

men. Oneofobensfathers

brought the brotherof

greenetReans ReportingThe

generalsurrender.

P-CASUALITIES.

1. Haveyou any informationas to casualitieswhichoccurredin your postor unit, withnames,etc?

oscillantEdithO'Flanagan

at are samethat at asbrountto heidys

when turning in stone

ammonation. At hat

2. Werethere any casualitiesdue to accidentsorother non-militaryactivity?

2 otherswereRithad inHouthcreswick stock

in capttraffic was hehad some warder by

rice set bullshitwho3. What arrangementswere planned beforehandto

dealwith casualities? Reese attertionor fademesetherhail & Redmond

Harfield. Fast of and

a few was gist4. Whatproportionof the participantscarriedfirst-aidequipment? Suavity the weekfrom

were they trained to useit? pospesfast such Richantiamproperremoved to first,

mothers Hash.a few proportion

suplyhad

simple stempof pamdeges,sohineor

ishefordssin their Knepeecks.

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5 What medicaland surgicalaid was providedforin advanceas regardsequipment,suppliesandpersonnel?

Very lidle

armapcondsassurgicaldid

was madein surgicalaid

Were thesearrangementscarried out? was madein advanceaspenas9 canpersonnel

membroof the Conversiondid ho hid Corp

Werethey effective?

as

faster Matthewhall6 was any medicalor first-aidassistancesoughtor

receivedfrom outsideorganizations,or from individualdoctorsor first-aid personnel? Serions was

were john to RichardsbepotistwhichwasWas it refusedin any instance?

Comminet assitinewas not churchin

7 Weretherefirst-aid stationsset upin your area?Amycase sofasWhere werethey located? As 9 Knew, at

How were they equipped? Father MatthewhallHow werethey manned?

As RedmondhopeDid they servetheir purpose?

8 Were thereany efforts to contacthospitals,andwith what result?

Were there any refusalsby hospitalsto receivecasualtiesor otherwiseto renderaid?

9 was thereany instance of failure on eithersideto respectthe Redcrossthroughor otherwise?

Cannetsay

10 were any woundedvolunteersor membersof theother organizationstakenin for treatmentby theBritish army Medicalservices?

Kat in my

Ann

were there anycase of refusalto givemedicalaid?

15 or16 civians were

murdersh in their same in north

king St by army Lorces.

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Q-LOOTING

1 Did lootingoccurin yourarea to an extentwhich.Requiredactionby the garrison? NO

2 If so, what actionwastaken?If only miding

was by ouraslvesfor

suppherd fish

R-PRISONERS

1 Were any prisonerscapturedby the British?

If so,howand whereandin whatcircumstances?

To whatunits did they belong?

What were their ranks?

Wereany of themwounded?

NO

Crapling

Geronl surcaindso

2 Wereany British militarycaptured?Only

nor combation

Develop this asin 1from hine Hall oak

Where werethey keptuntil the surrender?Wher abuildingwas sob

on firs lame

sushicto whir capturedbet nland from Fr. Matthew

Hall beforeandof wickS-VOLUNTEERS FROM GREAT BRITAIN

1 To whatextent wastheConscriptionact in GreatBritain responsiblefor the comingtoIreland ofvolunteersfrom Liverpool,Glasgow,Londonandothercentresin Great Britain?

2 are there any figuresand namesavailable?

3 Did they cometo Ireland oninstructions?

If so,from whom?

Cannotmy

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4 How were theyabsorbedinto the generalbodyofthe Volunteersin Ireland?

5 What wastheir relationto the Kimmagegarrisonin Dublin, which seemsto have been comprised

largely ofsuchmen?

6 What wasthe purposeof that garrison?

What were itsrelationsto thegeneralorganization?

7 Whenthey decidedto cometo Ireland, were theplans for the Rising so far advanced that theycould havehad knowledgethat the Risingwastotake placeand the approximatedate ofit?

8How did theylearn thesethings?

Befer to

II bathehew

harlifield

Rimonage area

T-THE SURRENDERAND AFTERWARDS.

1 how didyou first learn of the surrenderof postsother thanyour own?

2 Who broughtthemessge?

To whomwasit given?

If in writing,is it extant?

If not, is there a copyavailableor couldyoureconstruct it?

From de

church strut

fathers who

broughtGerard

Beris arkes

to surrender

quinortly

to same Daly and

other I Barth office

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3 Is the story of the surrenderor demobilizationof

your unit onrecord?Cannot kerk

If so, Where?

For thewhite

four caole three

If not,couldyouput itonrecordfor the bureau?Sa referoncein

my surrenderdemobilization

4 Is thestoryof subsequenteventsup to thegeneralreleasefrom prisonon record?

If so, whereisit tobe found?

If not, couldyouputit onrecord?

Cannot say

U-CONVERSATIONS Etc, WITH EXECUTEDLEADERS.

1 Had youany conversationsor correspondencewithany of theexecutedleaders priorto or duringtheRising,orafter the surrender,which,in youropinionshouldbe placedon record as part of the history

of the period?

At Richard leadersof surrender

will Sominderisttjohn onbiedewho wereguirkstafield

andthefight mateduringthe wick by

of the period?

Have you any of the correspondence,or doyouknowwhereit canbe obtained? Ret of to Have be

wereRuthcheerful about theroospert, mot Kent Mallier

at kibouinham on night beyonethatobtained ArthurFutly reined

andreppy in fast awaintonytheir futs in themorring

V-THE STORY OF YOUR UNIT.

1 Is thereany authenticaccountof the happeningsin your area in 1916 publishedor unpublished,orelsewhereon record? (he account

published)

if so,whereisit and wouldyouconsiderit necessary.In theinterests of accuracy,completionor

clarification,to supplementit or commentonanyaspectof it?

Accountin anaspect

any washobbledby commentarmy

a fer yousafter ridmy

2 If thereis no such.record extant, would it bepossiblefor youto prepare sucha record fortheBureau?

(why of hartinwas

retortingto load

churchand is

published)

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W-MISCELLANEOUS

1 Would it be possibleto give any estimateof theproportionofthe membersofthe Irish Volunteerswhotook partin theRisingwhowerealsomembersofnon-militaryNational organizations,suchastheGaelicLeague,G.A.A., etc.?

TheGaelic LeagueandGAA organizationsand drady members

in themontes Feb natewho lackpart in the RisingIn my hurtsuch ralf of to

2 To what extent waswritten ororal Irish usedinthe Volunteerandallied organizations:

(a) in officialcommunicationsor orders:

(b) in training;

(c) in ordinaryconversations;

Membeswerein or

gratiereugneandat_bata think in the

GAA

verylittle

(d) at meetingsof theGeneralcouncil,the Executive,G.H.Q., orof Brigade,Battalionandcompany

officers.Canned Say