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STATE OF ALABAMADEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION
AND NATURAL RESOURCES
ADVISORY BOARD MEETING
March 12, 2011
Pages 1 through 166
PREPARED BY:
Haislip, Ragan, Green, Starkie & Watson, PC
Suite 505 - 500 Interstate Park DriveMontgomery, AL 36109Phone: 334.263.4455
Fax: 334.263.9167E-mail: [email protected]
Web address: www.haislipragan.com
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STATE OF ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF
CONSERVATI ON AND NATURAL RESOURCES
ADVI SORY BOARD MEETI NG
Mar ch 12, 2011
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
TRANSCRI PT OF PROCEEDI NGS
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Proceedi ngs t aken bef or e Tr acye
Sadl er Bl ackwel l , Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t er , ACCR
No. 294, and Commi ss i oner f or t he St at e of Al abama
at Lar ge, at Vest avi a Hi l l s Hi gh School , Vest avi a
Hi l l s, Al abama, on Sat ur day, Mar ch 12, 2011,
commenci ng at approxi mat el y 9: 00 a. m.
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1 BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
2 Mr . Dan Moul t r i e, Chai r man Mr . Gunt er Guy, Commi ssi oner
3 Mr . Gai nes Smi th Mr . J ohn McMi l l an
4 Mr . Grady Har t zog Mr . Br ock J ones
5 Mr . Grant LynchMr . War r en St r i ckl and
6 Mr . Raymond J ones Mr . Bob Shi pp
7 Mr . Bi l l Hat l ey Mr . J oey Dobbs
8
9 * * * * * * * * * * * *
10 I NDEX
11
12 CALL TO ORDER 4
13 I NVOCATI ON 4
14 I NTRODUCTI ON OF BOARD MEMBERS 5
15 APPROVAL OF MI NUTES OF LAST MEETI NG 7
16 PUBLI C HEARI NG 17
17 Pete Bar ber 17 Avery Bat es 20
18 Paul Farmer 23 Mar k Kol i nski 25
19 Ri nar d Leonard 32 Bi l l y Smi t h 34
20 Randy Year gan 35 Cynt hi a Robi nson 3921 J ack Cr opp 46
Randal Chappel l 4922 Fr ank Fi ncher 53
23 ( I ndex cont i nued on next page)
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1 I NDEX ( cont i nued)
2 Danny Foster 56 St eve Huf f aker 60
3 Mi chael Wade J ones 66 Don Kni ght 69
4 Loui e Mat tocks 74 Kel vi n Bai l ey 76
5 Scot t Cherones 78 Paul J ef f r eys 82
6 Mi chael Lat hem 90 Randy St . J ohn 92
7 J erome Boone 98 Susan Mor r ow 106
8 J ohnny Rober t s 108
Der r el l Wr i ght 1099 Mi ke Bagwel l 113
10 OLD BUSI NESS 117
11 Mot i on by Mr . St r i ckl and - Make 120 Bow- Mount ed Range Fi nder s Legal on Bows
12 Mot i on by Mr . Lynch - Appr oval of 128
13 Wi l dl i f e and Fr eshwat er Fi sher i es Recommendat i ons wi t h t he Amendment
14 Mot i on by Mr . Shi pp - Appr oval of 13015 Sal t wat er Angl er Regi str y Regul at i on
16 Mot i on by Mr . Har t zog - Appr oval of Wi r e 131 Basket s f or Congr essi onal Di st r i ct 2
17 Wi th Except i on
18 NEW BUSI NESS 153
19 Mr . Br ock J ones - Mot i on t o Appr ove Al l 162 Depar t ment Regul at i ons Si nce Last
20 Appr oval
21SELECTI ON OF DATE AND LOCATI ON OF 2011 165
22 SUMMER ADVI SORY BOARD MEETI NG
23
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: The March 12t h, 2011,
2 meet i ng of t he Conser vat i on Advi sor y
3 Boar d wi l l now come t o or der . I ' d l i ke
4 t o wel come ever yone t o Vest avi a Hi l l s
5 Hi gh School . The boar d i s gl ad t hat
6 you' r e abl e t o be her e t oday. The
7 i nvocat i on t oday wi l l be gi ven by
8 Mr . Bi l l Hat l ey.
9 Mr . Hat l ey.
10 MR. HATLEY: Let us pr ay. Fat her , we t hank
11 you f or t hi s great day, and i t i s our
12 pr ayer t hat you woul d be wi t h each
13 per son gat her ed her e t oday, bl ess, keep,
14 and di r ect and gui de t hem. And, Fat her ,
15 i n a speci al way we pr ay t oday f or t he
16 peopl e of J apan who have been af f ect ed
17 so gr eat l y by t he ear t hquake t hat has
18 f al l en upon t hem. We pr ay t hat you
19 woul d bl ess t hi s boar d. May al l of our
20 deci s i ons be benef i ci al and pl easi ng i n
21 t hy si ght . These t hi ngs we ask i n J esus
22 Chr i st ' s name and f or Hi s sake. Amen.
23 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Hat l ey.
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1 The next or der of busi ness i s t he
2 i nt r oduct i on of t he boar d member s.
3 Fi r st I ' d l i ke t o i nt r oduce our
4 Commi ssi oner of Conser vat i on, Mr . Gunt er
5 Guy. Commi ssi oner .
6 Our assi stant commi ssi oner ,
7 Mr . Cur t i s J ones. Cur t i s.
8 Our Commi ssi oner of Agr i cul t ur e
9 ex- of f i ci o member , J ohn McMi l l an.
10 Our ot her ex- of f i ci o member ,
11 Dr . Gai nes Smi t h f r om t he Al abama
12 Ext ensi on Servi ce. Dr . Smi t h.
13 And t hen I ' d l i ke t o star t down on
14 t he end wi t h Mr . J ones. I f y' al l woul d
15 i nt r oduce your sel f and what di str i ct you
16 r epor t f r om.
17 MR. RAYMOND J ONES: Raymond J ones, Di st r i ct 5.
18 MR. STRI CKLAND: War r en St r i ckl and,
19 Hunt svi l l e, Congressi onal Di st r i ct 5.
20 MR. LYNCH: Gr ant Lynch, Tal l adega,
21 Congr essi onal Di st r i ct Number 3.
22 MR. BROCK J ONES: Br ock J ones, Tuscal oosa,
23 Di st r i ct 7.
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1 MR. HARTZOG: Gr ady Har t zog, Di st r i ct 2.
2 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Now, f r om t he ot her end,
3 Mr . Hat l ey.
4 MR. HATLEY: Bi l l Hat l ey, Di st r i ct 1, Gul f
5 Shores, Al abama.
6 MR. DOBBS: J oey Dobbs, Di st r i ct 6,
7 Bi rmi ngham.
8 MR. SHI PP: Bob Shi pp, Di str i ct 1, Mobi l e,
9 Al abama.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you very much. We
11 have one more t emporary member t oday
12 besi de me. My daught er i s t aki ng a
13 cl ass at Aubur n. She had t o at t end and
14 be par t of a publ i c meet i ng, so she
15 chose t he Advi sor y Boar d meet i ng. She
16 may r egr et t hat . I don' t know. Thi s i s
17 Ashl ey Moul t r i e.
18 Al l r i ght . The next order of
19 busi ness i s approval of t he
20 Febr uar y 5t h, 2011, Advi sor y Boar d
21 Mi nut es. Ar e t her e any changes t o t he
22 mi nut es?
23 ( No r esponse. )
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I f not , t he mi nut es st and
2 approved as read.
3 The next order of busi ness , I ' d l i ke
4 t o cal l on Commi ssi oner Guy f or hi s
5 comment s of ongoi ng acti vi t i es ar ound
6 t he s tat e of Al abama.
7 Commi ssi oner Guy.
8 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Thank you, Dan. I
9 appreci ate i t . I j ust t hought I woul d
10 t ake a mi nut e t o t al k wi t h ever yone
11 t hat ' s her e br i ef l y about what i s goi ng
12 on i n Mont gomer y and a coupl e of t he
13 i ssues t hat I know ar e hi gh on a l ot of
14 peopl e' s l i sts, most l y bei ng ext endi ng
15 t he Febr uar y deer season and bai t i ng.
16 We wel come ever yone' s i nput i nt o
17 t hose i ssues bot h dur i ng t he week - - we
18 get a l ot of e- mai l s . We get a l ot of
19 phone cal l s. And we appr eci at e t hose.
20 We do hear what you say. We al so
21 appr eci at e t hose t hat ar e her e t oday and
22 what t hey mi ght say about t hose i ssues,
23 and we want t o hear f r om t hem. We want
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1 t o know your posi t i ons.
2 At t he same t i me I want ed you t o
3 ki nd of know about some l egi sl at i on and
4 what pos i t i on I ' m t aki ng as your
5 commi ssi oner . I ' ve been i n of f i ce now
6 about 60 days. And, of cour se, i t ' s my
7 j ob t o do what ' s best f or bot h t he
8 hunt er s and t he peopl e, you know, t hat
9 are out t here - - t he publ i c and, al so,
10 f or t he nat ur al r esour ce, t he deer and
11 t he wi l dl i f e.
12 And so i n l ooki ng at t hose i ssues,
13 I ' ve commi t t ed t o st udy and get
14 appr opr i at e dat a and t o get sound
15 sci ence, get i nput f rom our l eaders i n
16 bi ol ogy and our pr of essor s and ot her
17 peopl e who ar e knowl edgeabl e about t hose
18 i ssues. We haven' t done t hat i n a
19 whi l e. I t needs t o be updat ed, and we
20 need t o l ook at t hat . And t hat ' s what I
21 have made a commi t ment t o do.
22 But unt i l we do t hat , I am not
23 commi t t ed t o t aki ng a posi t i on on t hat .
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1 And so I ' m agai nst any l egi s l at i on t hat
2 woul d ext end deer season or l egal i ze
3 bai t i ng. That doesn' t mean I ' m f or i t .
4 I t doesn' t mean I ' m agai nst i t . I t
5 means t hat I want t o l ook at i t . I want
6 t o st udy i t . And what ever we do af t er
7 we st udy i t , i t wi l l be based on
8 i nf or mat i on t hat we can r el y on and
9 i nf ormat i on that al l of us can f eel
10 comf ort abl e wi t h. Because, l i ke I say,
11 we do need t o bal ance what ' s best f or
12 t he hunt er and, agai n, what i s best f or
13 t he natural resource.
14 So, anyway, we - - and I t hought i t
15 woul d be best j ust t o addr ess t hat now.
16 There i s a pi ece of l egi sl at ure - -
17 l egi sl at i on - - excuse me - - i n
18 Mont gomer y. And I have expr essed t o t he
19 l egi sl at i ve member s who ar e l ooki ng at
20 t hose mat t er s t hat same posi t i on. I ' ve
21 asked t hem t o j ust wai t , t o not do
22 anyt hi ng. Let ' s j ust not act on t hose
23 bi l l s unt i l we know what we need t o
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1 know.
2 So, agai n, I t hi nk what ever ybody
3 says i s i mpor t ant . I have an opi ni on
4 j ust l i ke many of you have an opi ni on.
5 I f you hunt l i ke I do and l i ke you do,
6 you have opi ni ons on t hose i ssues. But
7 our opi ni ons al one shoul dn' t be t he onl y
8 t hi ng. Ther e i s good dat a out t her e.
9 Ther e i s good i nf or mat i on out t her e.
10 Ther e ar e peopl e out t her e t hat ar e
11 knowl edgeabl e about t hese t hi ngs. And
12 t her e' s no r eason why we can' t get i t .
13 So what I ' ve commi t t ed t o do i s put
14 t oget her a commi t t ee or commi t t ees,
15 what ever i s necessary. And I wi l l
16 address t hose i ssues. I ' ve t al ked wi t h
17 my depar t ment f ol ks i n conser vat i on.
18 They' r e al r eady i n t he pl anni ng st ages
19 of t hat . We' l l have peopl e bot h i nsi de
20 t he Depar t ment of Conser vat i on and
21 out si de t he Depar t ment of Conser vat i on
22 t hat wi l l be i nvol ved i n t hese i ssues.
23 So i t won' t be j ust Depar t ment of
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1 Conser vat i on member s, and i t won' t be
2 j ust peopl e out si de t he Depar t ment of
3 Conser vat i on.
4 We' r e goi ng t o get i nput . We' r e
5 goi ng t o get - - i t ' s goi ng t o be
6 t ranspar ent . And, hopef ul l y, we' l l have
7 t he ki nd of i nf or mat i on t hat peopl e t hat
8 ar e on t hi s Advi sor y Boar d, peopl e i n
9 t he l egi sl at ur e, and mysel f can t hen use
10 t o make good deci si ons.
11 Thank you, Mr . Moul t r i e.
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Commi ss i oner .
13 Al ong t hose same l i nes, t her e has
14 been so much scut t l ebut t about t he i ssue
15 of t he Febr uar y season. I t ook t he
16 l i ber t y of cont act i ng Auburn, t al ked t o
17 Dr . Di t chkof f and asked hi m f or a
18 cur r ent st at us i n hi s opi ni on as - - hi s
19 pr of essi onal opi ni on at Aubur n of t he
20 Febr uar y season. And I ' d l i ke t o r ead
21 hi s l et t er back. I t hi nk i t ' s pr et t y
22 spot - on.
23 I t says, t he recent modi f i cat i on of
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1 buck l i mi t s i n Al abama was par t i al l y
2 dr i ven by a desi re to posi t i vel y
3 i nf l uence bi ol ogi cal and soci al heal t h
4 of t he whi t e- t ai l ed deer popul at i on
5 acr oss t he stat e. I t was suggested t hat
6 r educi ng t he season l i mi t t o t hr ee bucks
7 woul d i ncrease t he number of ol der mal es
8 i n t he popul at i on and hel p t o creat e a
9 mor e bal anced sex r at i o t hat mor e
10 cl osel y r esembl ed t he nat ur al one- t o- one
11 r at i o t hat ' s f ound i n natur al
12 popul at i ons. These changes
13 t heor et i cal l y woul d have a posi t i ve
14 ef f ect i n r educi ng t he l engt h of t he
15 br eedi ng season, t her eby r esul t i ng i n
16 l ess rut - rel at ed nat ural mor t al i t y due
17 t o t he physi cal and physi ol ogi cal r i gors
18 of ext ended br eedi ng ef f or t of mal e
19 deer . Publ i shed dat a have suggest ed
20 t hat nat ur al mor t al i t y i n mal e deer
21 f ol l owi ng t he br eedi ng season can be
22 si gni f i cant .
23 The pr oposal t o ext end deer - hunt i ng
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1 season i nt o Febr uar y has t he pot ent i al
2 t o have negat i ve physi cal and
3 physi ol ogi cal consequences f or t he deer
4 her d i n Al abama. An ext ended deer
5 season wi l l l i kel y resul t i n i ncreased
6 hunt i ng mor t al i t y f or adul t mal e deer .
7 Reduced number s of mal e deer wi l l ser ve
8 t o dr i ve t he adul t sex r at i o away f rom
9 t he opt i mal one- t o- one st at e and t end t o
10 f avor f emal es. Thi s decr ease i n t he
11 number of br eedi ng mal es wi l l r educe
12 br eedi ng ef f i ci ency and r esul t i n some
13 f emal es not bei ng bred i n t hei r f i rst
14 est r ous cycl e. Femal e deer , when not
15 bred, wi l l re- ent er estr us ever y 28- 30
16 days unt i l t hey are bred. I f an
17 i ncreased number of f emal es ar e not br ed
18 dur i ng t hei r f i r s t est r ous cycl e, the
19 r esul t wi l l be an ext ended br eedi ng
20 season, whi ch can onl y ser ve t o i ncrease
21 rat es of nat ural mor t al i t y i n adul t
22 mal es due t o t he physi cal and
23 physi ol ogi cal r i gors of t he breedi ng
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1 season.
2 I ncreased hunt i ng success associ at ed
3 wi t h an ext ended hunt i ng season dur i ng a
4 per i od when mat ur e mal es ar e mor e
5 suscept i bl e t o har vest , i . e. , t he r ut ,
6 wi l l ser ve t o decr ease t he number of
7 mat ur e mal es i n t he popul at i on. Mat ur e
8 mal es ar e mor e ef f i ci ent br eeder s t han
9 younger mal es and ser ve t o decr ease t he
10 l engt h of t he br eedi ng season. Because
11 mat ur e mal es ar e mor e ef f i ci ent br eeder s
12 t han young i mmat ur e mal es, l ess f emal es
13 wi l l ent er a second estr ous cycl e i n
14 popul at i ons t hat have mat ur e mal es and
15 t he br eedi ng season wi l l be mor e
16 compr essed. Addi t i onal l y, t he pr esence
17 of mat ur e mal es i n a popul at i on ser ves
18 t o suppr ess br eedi ng ef f or t and
19 i nt ensi t y of younger mal es. Thi s
20 suppr essi on of br eedi ng ef f or t has a
21 posi t i ve ef f ect on body gr owt h and
22 ant l er devel opment of young mal es i n
23 subsequent year s. Because t hese
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1 i mmat ur e bucks put l ess ef f or t i nt o
2 breedi ng, t hey are i n bet t er condi t i on
3 f ol l owi ng t he br eedi ng season and do not
4 have t o put as much ef f or t i nt o
5 repl eni shi ng t hei r energet i c reserves.
6 The r esul t i s t hey can f ocus on body
7 gr owt h and ant l er devel opment i n
8 spr i ng/ summer as opposed t o r ebui l di ng
9 body r eser ves, and ant l er devel opment
10 and body r eser ves i n subsequent year s
11 wi l l be great er t han i f t her e had not
12 been mat ur e mal es i n t he her d.
13 I ncreased over al l buck har vest and
14 i ncreased har vest of mat ur e mal es can
15 creat e a cascadi ng bi ol ogi cal i mpact on
16 a deer herd. Whi l e our over al l
17 under standi ng of t hese i mpact s i s st i l l
18 evol vi ng, t he dat a t hat have been
19 col l ect ed on t he t opi c al l suggest t hat
20 t he r el at i onshi ps among sex r at i o, age
21 str uct ur e, popul at i on densi t y, and t he
22 br eedi ng season of whi t e- t ai l ed deer ar e
23 i nt r i cat el y l i nked wher e i mpact s on one
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1 wi l l af f ect t he other s . As a r esul t ,
2 any pr oposal s r egar di ng changes t o deer
3 season, i . e. , l ength and bag l i mi t , i n
4 Al abama shoul d car ef ul l y consi der t he
5 body of sci ent i f i c i nf ormat i on rel at i ng
6 t o r epr oduct i on and management of
7 whi t e- t ai l ed deer . Addi t i onal l y, every
8 ef f or t shoul d be made t o pr oj ect changes
9 i n har vest pat t er ns due t o pr oposed
10 season modi f i cat i ons usi ng exi st i ng dat a
11 f r om Al abama and sur r oundi ng st at es.
12 Fai l ur e t o do so woul d be not hi ng shor t
13 of bi ol ogi cal l y i r r esponsi bl e.
14 I t hi nk t hat ' s good t o have anot her
15 sci ent i f i c opi ni on f r om a source as good
16 as Aubur n. And I apol ogi ze f or t he
17 wor di ness and t he l engt h of t hat , but i t
18 i s what i t i s.
19 Al l r i ght . The next order of
20 busi ness i s t he publ i c hear i ng. When
21 your name i s cal l ed, pl ease come t o t he
22 mi cr ophone and gi ve your name and t he
23 subj ect you wi sh t o speak upon. I wi l l
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1 r emi nd you t hat you may onl y speak at
2 t he t i me t hat you ar e cal l ed and any
3 i nter f erence wi l l not be tol erated.
4 Okay. The f i r s t speaker wi l l be
5 Mr . Pete Barber . Pet e.
6 MR. BARBER: Good mor ni ng, Mr . Chai r man,
7 Commi ssi oner , Commi ssi oner , Boar d
8 Member s. My name i s Pet e Bar ber . I ' m
9 t he pr esi dent of t he Al abama Seaf ood
10 Associ at i on. We r epr esent commer ci al
11 f i sher men, and we al so have char t er boat
12 f i shermen i n our organi zat i on.
13 I see a l ot of new f aces. I ' d l i ke
14 t o j ust t ake t hi s opport uni t y t o t hank
15 t hi s board f or al l t he consi derat i on
16 t hey' ve gi ven us i n t he past. And I
17 hope t hat a good r el at i onshi p wi l l
18 cont i nue, and I f eel conf i dent i t wi l l .
19 We' re bl essed i n t he stat e of
20 Al abama t o have an abundant mar i ne
21 r esour ce wel l managed by our
22 conser vat i on depar t ment t hat pr ovi des a
23 l i vi ng f or our commer ci al f i sher men and
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1 out standi ng recreat i onal opport uni t i es
2 f or our recreat i onal f i shermen. Al l
3 t hat was j eopar di zed l ast Apr i l when t he
4 Deepwat er Hor i zon bl ew up.
5 We' re st i l l goi ng t hrough a
6 t rans i t i on phase. Thank t he Lord, i t
7 l ooks l i ke we' re goi ng t o survi ve. I t
8 l ooks l i ke al l t he worst - case scenar i os
9 were a l i t t l e bi t premat ure and
10 over stat ed. But one of t he t hi ngs
11 t hat ' s l i nger i ng i s a market res i stance
12 t o Gul f seaf ood. And l et me j ust ask
13 t hi s quest i on of t he boar d member s. How
14 many of you have a concern when i t comes
15 t o eat i ng Gul f seaf ood about t he
16 saf et y?
17 Let i t be so al l t he t i me. What we
18 have - - over t he l ast year s i nce t hi s
19 became an i ssue, we pr obabl y i nspect our
20 seaf ood pr oduct s by a f act or of at l east
21 t en mor e t han t hey' ve ever been
22 i nspected bef or e. The saf et y, as much
23 as we can det er mi ne, i s t her e.
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1 Unf or t unat el y, t here' s a l i nger i ng doubt
2 amongst t he seaf ood eat er s or pot ent i al
3 seaf ood eat ers i n t he rest of t he
4 count r y. As many as 35 per cent of t he
5 popul at i on j ust woul d not eat any
6 seaf ood f r om t he Gul f because of
7 concerns . I put a l ot of t hat on t he
8 medi a hype t hat accompani ed t he oi l
9 spi l l . And, hopef ul l y, over t i me - -
10 t hat number used t o be 70 per cent .
11 We' r e down t o 35. I n one pol l I saw
12 23. I t ' s t her e.
13 One of t he bi g di st r i but ors i n t he
14 New J er sey/ New Yor k ar ea basi cal l y t ol d
15 our crab- pi cker s down her e t hat he
16 di dn' t want t o t al k about a Gul f
17 product . That ' s a hard hi l l t o cl i mb.
18 And t hat ' s somet hi ng t hat we have t o
19 deal wi t h and we wi l l . But i t ' s j ust
20 somet hi ng I want ed t hi s commi t t ee t o be
21 awar e of and cer t ai nl y any i deas t hat
22 coul d hel p and j ust doi ng your own par t
23 i n consumi ng your 12. 2 pounds of seaf ood
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1 a year and maybe uppi ng i t a l i t t l e
2 bi t .
3 Anyway, t hank you f or your t i me.
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Bar ber .
5 The next speaker wi l l be Mr . Aver y
6 Bat es.
7 MR. BATES: My name i s Aver y Bat es. I ' m a
8 commer ci al f i sher man when t her e' s any
9 oyster s out t her e, and I ' mal so
10 vi ce- pr esi dent of Or gani zed Seaf ood
11 Associ at i on. But I ' ve been bef ore t hi s
12 boar d many t i mes over t he year s wi t h
13 concer ns of our commer ci al f i shi ng
14 i ndust ry.
15 Many t i mes t hi ngs j ust come up l i ke
16 maki ng gamef i sh st at us f or a number of
17 speci es j ust i n t he l ast t wo years. The
18 l ast t i me y' al l wer e her e i t was br ought
19 up about sheepshead. Last year i t was
20 al so br ought up about Spani sh macker el
21 and pompano. I t seems l i ke we ar e
22 speci es af t er speci es want i ng t o be
23 desi gnat ed as gamef i sh.
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1 I n t he f ut ur e I hope y' al l
2 under st and t hat t hese seaf oods t hey' r e
3 t r yi ng t o t ake away i s t aken away f r om
4 you and ever ybody el se when t hey t r y t o
5 t ake t hese speci es away f r om us when
6 t here' s no bi ol ogi cal reason t o do
7 t hi s. So we want y' al l t o be awar e t hat
8 we do have const i t ut i onal r i ght s i n t hi s
9 st at e, and t he seaf oods ar e t he pr oper t y
10 of t he s tat e t o be hel d i n t rust f or t he
11 peopl e of t he stat e. And, al so, our
12 Const i t ut i on gi ves us cer t ai n pr oper t y
13 r i ght s.
14 We' ve had sever al seaf oods t aken
15 away f r om us i n t he past , and t hat hur t s
16 our i ndustr y, hur t s our busi nesses. So
17 i n t he f ut ur e when somebody comes t o you
18 r ecommendi ng cer t ai n seaf ood t o be t aken
19 away f r om you, l et - - I want you t o be
20 awar e t her e' s peopl e down t her e t hat
21 suppl i es t he mar ket s, t he r estaur ant s - -
22 i n f act , 20 percent of our nat ural - - or
23 our r esour ces t hat come t hr ough t he
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1 st at e come f r om Mobi l e Count y, and
2 87 per cent of t hat i s seaf ood r un
3 t hr ough t he r estaur ant s. That ' s a bi g
4 par t of our i ncome. Bob sai d hi s son
5 has t wo r est aur ant s now. That ' s doubl e
6 t he t roubl e get t i ng seaf oods .
7 So we want t o mai nt ai n good heal t hy
8 seaf oods, whi ch we have i n t hi s stat e,
9 and we want t o have access t o t hem. So
10 when somebody t r i es t o t ake i t away f r om
11 us, be awar e t hat we want t o exer ci se
12 our const i t ut i onal pr opert y r i ght s and
13 not l et somebody exer ci se emi nent domai n
14 whi ch bel ongs t o ever ybody i n t he
15 st at e.
16 So t hank y' al l . We appreci at e y' al l
17 eat i ng seaf ood. We' r e get t i ng r eady t o
18 have a bi g seaf ood bash i n Mont gomer y
19 f or our l egi sl at ors . A number of y' al l
20 ar e i nvi t ed t o come, and you shoul d be
21 get t i ng i nvi t at i ons t hrough t he mai l .
22 Enj oy our l ocal seaf oods .
23 Mr . Guy, i t ' s ni ce t o have a new man
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1 on boar d, and we' r e gl ad t hat you' r e
2 goi ng t o wor k wi t h us. Pet e sai d t hat
3 he' s t al ked t o you. I ' m gl ad t o meet
4 you. And I want t o meet our new
5 assi s tant commi ssi oner .
6 But we' r e j ust har d- wor ki ng peopl e
7 down t her e. We want t o keep ser vi ng and
8 wor ki ng f or t he st at e of Al abama and f or
9 our peopl e t o have j obs. J obs now i s a
10 pr emi um. We don' t need t o l ose t hem.
11 So keep us i n mi nd when somebody comes
12 bef or e you t r yi ng t o t ake seaf oods away
13 f rom us.
14 Thank you so much.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Bates.
16 The next speaker - - t he next speaker
17 wi l l be Paul Farmer .
18 MR. FARMER: Good mor ni ng, ever ybody. I ' m
19 Paul Far mer f r om Shel by Count y,
20 Al abama. And I j ust came t oday t o say
21 how I do not l i ke t he i dea of br i ngi ng
22 deer season t wo weeks i nt o Febr uar y.
23 Because I ' m a bi g r abbi t hunt er , and
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1 we' re al ready str uggl i ng f or pl aces t o
2 r abbi t hunt dur i ng t he deer season as i t
3 i s.
4 I f eed - - i t cost s a l ot of money to
5 f eed al l t hem dogs al l year l ong t o
6 r eal l y get t o hunt t hem j ust t he mont h
7 of February. So I j ust want to l et
8 ever ybody know t hat we' d r eal l y l i ke
9 y' al l t o l ook i nto t hi s and t r y not t o
10 t ake no mor e t i me away f r om us.
11 I mean, I know we get t o hunt a
12 l i t t l e bi t i n Oct ober , but i t ' s so hot
13 i n October . You can onl y get a coupl e
14 of hour s ever y mor ni ng, and t hat ' s about
15 i t because i t ' s t oo hot t o hunt . Then
16 you have t o go home and pi ck t he t i cks
17 of f of you. So you . . .
18 So t hat ' s al l I needed. And real l y
19 I ' d l i ke f or y' al l t o j ust t ake i nt o
20 consi der at i on - - you know, t her e' s a l ot
21 of us smal l game hunt er s out t her e
22 t hat ' s f i ght i ng t he same bat t l e
23 everybody el se i s j ust t ryi ng t o f i nd
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1 our pl ace i nt o t he hunt i ng. And we
2 don' t need to l ose any of our l i t t l e ol '
3 f our weeks we get i n Febr uar y.
4 Thank you.
5 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Far mer .
6 The next speaker wi l l be Mar k
7 Kol i nski .
8 MR. KOLI NSKI : Good mor ni ng. My name i s Mar k
9 Kol i nski . I l i ve i n Lawrence Count y,
10 Al abama. I ' m t he Al abama pr ogr am
11 manager f or Wi l d Sout h.
12 Wi l d Sout h i s a 501( c) ( 3) non- prof i t
13 f or est pr ot ect i on or gani zat i on. We' ve
14 been i nvol ved i n f or est management on
15 t he Bankhead Nat i onal For est f or al most
16 20 year s, been a col l abor at i ve par t ner
17 wi t h t he Forest Servi ce f or t he l ast
18 seven or ei ght year s. We have hundr eds
19 of member s across t he st at e.
20 I ' m her e t hi s mor ni ng t o ask you t o
21 gi ve ver y ser i ous consi derat i on t o
22 changi ng t he game l aws on t he Bl ack
23 War r i or Wi l dl i f e Management Ar ea i n t he
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1 Bankhead Nat i onal For est i n a way t hat
2 wi l l pr ovi de a much gr eat er r ange of
3 str at egi es and oppor t uni t i es and opt i ons
4 f or cont r ol l i ng f er al swi ne i n t hat
5 ar ea.
6 I n my wor k wi t h Wi l d Sout h, I do a
7 l ot of nat ural resources i nvent ory f or
8 t he Forest Servi ce f or t he l ast f i ve
9 year s, chai n sur veyi ng and - - wher e - - a
10 sur vey of al l t he wat er sheds i n t he
11 Bankhead. And i n 2009 and 2010 I
12 over saw/ super vi sed a nonnat i ve i nvasi ve
13 pl ant i nvent ory of t he i nt er i or of t he
14 Si psey Wi l der ness. The Si psey
15 Wi l derness, 25, 000 acres , i s t ot al l y
16 i ncl uded i n t he Bl ack Warr i or Wi l dl i f e
17 Management Ar ea. So I ' ve got pl ent y of
18 oppor t uni t y t o wi t ness t he ki nd of
19 damage t hat hogs can do.
20 The r esour ce i mpact - - t he negat i ve
21 r esour ce i mpact I shoul dn' t need t o t el l
22 you about . I mean, i t ' s been wr i t t en
23 about ext ensi vel y i n t he medi a. I t - -
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1 t he i mpact on the soi l erosi on, t r ai l
2 damage. Nat i ve pl ant popul at i ons ar e
3 dest r oyed. Rept i l es and amphi bi ans.
4 I t ' s - - I mean, the l i st goes on. Mass
5 suppl i es f or your f avor i t e game speci es,
6 deer and tur key.
7 The cur r ent game l aws pr et t y much
8 have t he ef f ect on hogs of t r eat i ng t hem
9 l i ke a game speci es. You get a coupl e
10 of weeks t wi ce a year wher e f ol ks can go
11 out and hunt t hese f er al hogs, and t hey
12 get s i x mont hs of f ever y year j ust l i ke
13 ever y ot her game speci es. And i t ' s - -
14 I ' m her e t o ask you t o change t he l aws
15 i n t he shor t t erm t o al l ow oppor t uni t i es
16 f or cont r ol . They need t o be t r eat ed
17 l i ke t he nonnat i ve i nvasi ve speci es t hat
18 t hey ar e.
19 We have what ' s consi der ed a
20 l ow- densi t y popul at i on on t he - - i n t he
21 management ar ea and i n t he Bankhead.
22 But t hi s l ow- densi t y popul at i on
23 concent r at es i t sel f i n l ocal ar eas and
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1 creat es ser i ous damage, and sooner or
2 l at er you' r e not goi ng t o have deer and
3 t ur key on t he Bankhead. The swi ne ar e
4 goi ng t o t ake over . I mean, t hi s i s a
5 di sast er - -
6 MS. NUMMY: Ti me.
7 MR. KOLI NSKI : - - i n t he maki ng.
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Sum i t up, pl ease, si r .
9 MR. KOLI NSKI : Sorr y i f I r an over .
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Kol i nski , di d you
11 speak at t he l ast boar d meet i ng on t hi s
12 same subj ect?
13 MR. KOLI NSKI : No, I have not . Thi s i s t he
14 f i r st t i me I ' ve spoken bef or e t he boar d.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you ver y
16 much.
17 Mr . Kol i nski . Mr . Kol i nski .
18 MR. STRI CKLAND: Mr . Kol i nski .
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We' ve got one ot her - -
20 MS. NUMMY: Hey, i f we can hol d t he appl ause
21 unt i l af t er - -
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: You' ve got some quest i ons
23 f rom the board. Dr . St r i ckl and.
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1 MR. STRI CKLAND: A coupl e of quest i ons.
2 What ' s your proposal , agai n, t o
3 cont r ol t he swi ne popul at i on i n t he
4 Bankhead?
5 MR. KOLI NSKI : Wel l , I don' t want t o be
6 speci f i c. I don' t want t o t el l t he
7 agency and al l how t o do t hei r j ob. But
8 game management l aws and r egul at i ons on
9 t he WMA need t o be changed i n or der t o
10 al l ow more f l exi bi l i t y f or t reat i ng thi s
11 speci es l i ke t he nonnat i ve i nvasi ve
12 speci es i t i s . We need t o be
13 aggr essi ve. We need t o be r el ent l ess.
14 And we need t o be creat i ve. And t hat
15 mi ght mean i mpact i ng some of t he ot her
16 user s of t he Wi l dl i f e Management Ar ea,
17 some of t he hunt er s, some of t he
18 r ecreat i ons, t he hi kers . And i t mi ght
19 make some l aw enf or cement of cur r ent
20 game l aws a l i t t l e more di f f i cul t . But
21 t hi s pr obl em, I t hi nk, j ust i f i es
22 i nconveni ences of t hi s sor t .
23 MR. STRI CKLAND: You know, i n my exper i ence - -
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1 and t hi s i s pr obabl y somet hi ng t hat we
2 need t o have our bi ol ogi st s addr ess as
3 wel l i n t he game depar t ment .
4 You know, I agr ee wi t h you a hundr ed
5 percent . I f you l et the swi ne
6 popul at i on get out of hand, i t can br i ng
7 havoc on our veget at i on, you know,
8 part i cul ar l y your t ur keys and t hi ngs of
9 t hat nat ure. But , real l y, t he onl y good
10 way t o cont rol i t i s not by hunt i ng
11 t hem. I t ' s real l y by t r appi ng t hem.
12 And - - because hogs - - we al l know
13 t hey' r e ver y, ver y smar t ani mal s. And
14 once you put a l i t t l e bi t of pr essure on
15 t hem wi t h dogs, t hen t hey j ust go
16 noct ur nal .
17 MR. KOLI NSKI : Ri ght .
18 MR. STRI CKLAND: And once you get dogs and you
19 i ncrease t he human act i vi t y wi t h hunt i ng
20 t hem, you - - agai n, you di srupt t he
21 ot her , you know, nat ural wi l dl i f e.
22 MR. KOLI NSKI : That ' s wher e get t i ng creat i ve
23 can hel p. I t hi nk t here' s oppor t uni t i es
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1 t o have or gani zed hunt s. You have a
2 communi t y t her e ar ound t he Bankhead t hat
3 i s ver y concer ned and ver y i nvol ved, and
4 bei ng abl e t o or gani ze i t and use t hose
5 peopl e ef f ect i vel y and creat i vel y - - I
6 t hi nk t here' s t hi ngs t o be done.
7 The Forest Servi ce i s wi l l i ng to
8 wor k wi t h t he agency and al l t o addr ess
9 t hi s, and t her e needs t o be some - - an
10 or gani zed meet i ng. Peopl e need t o si t
11 down. And I t hi nk t here' s a l ot of
12 possi bl e opt i ons out t here. And I
13 di dn' t come her e, you know, t o addr ess
14 any of t hem speci f i cal l y. I j ust - -
15 MR. STRI CKLAND: Thank you.
16 MR. KOLI NSKI : - - t hi nk we r eal l y need t o get
17 some act i on.
18 MR. STRI CKLAND: Okay. Appr eci at e i t .
19 MR. KOLI NSKI : Thank you.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Kol i nski .
21 Al l r i ght . The next speaker wi l l be
22 Ri nard Leonard.
23 MR. LEONARD: Good Mor ni ng, Mr . Chai r man,
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1 Advi sory Boar d Member s. My name i s
2 Ri nar d Leonard. I ' m f rom El mor e Count y,
3 Al abama, and I bel ong t o Mi d Al abama
4 Beagl e Cl ub. And I do - - I want t o t ake
5 i t back t o what Paul has sai d t hi s
6 mor ni ng.
7 Our r abbi t season star t s 1 Oct ober ,
8 and i t ' s so hot you can' t hunt but f or a
9 coupl e of hour s i n t he mor ni ng. And I
10 do oppose ext endi ng t he deer - hunt i ng
11 season t o Febr uar y. Because, agai n,
12 t aki ng i t back t o Paul , February i s
13 our - - r eal l y t he smal l game hunt er ' s
14 t i me t o hunt because i t ' s real l y col d
15 and you can hunt al l day. And we f eed
16 14, 15 dogs al l year t o real l y enj oy
17 r abbi t hunt i ng dur i ng t he mont h of
18 Febr uar y. Because once deer season come
19 i n i n November , t he st al k hunt i ng and
20 t he gun season come i n, t he pr i vat e l and
21 i s l eased by most l y t he deer hunt er s,
22 and t hey don' t al l ow you t o come i n and
23 hunt .
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1 But I do appl aud deer - hunt i ng cl ubs
2 f or al l owi ng us t he oppor t uni t y dur i ng
3 Febr uar y t o br i ng our r abbi t dogs i n and
4 hunt i n Febr uar y. But i f you ext end t he
5 deer - hunt i ng season i nt o Febr uar y, t hat
6 cut s us out . And I real l y bel i eve t he
7 smal l game hunt er s have j ust as many
8 r i ght s as t he bi g game hunt er s. And
9 t hat ' s wher e t he r abbi t hunt er s stand.
10 Thank you.
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Leonar d, your success
12 on r abbi t hunt i ng pr obabl y woul d go up
13 i f t hat r ed- and- whi t e hat was changed t o
14 an or ange- and- bl ue hat . J ust a
15 suggest i on. You may want t o t r y t hat
16 orange- and- bl ue hat .
17 MR. LEONARD: Wel l , Mr . Chai r man, one t hi ng
18 about i t t hough. Once I hi t t he woods,
19 i t i s an or ange cap.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: That ' s good.
21 The next speaker wi l l be Mr . Bi l l y
22 Smi t h.
23 MR. SMI TH: Good mor ni ng.
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Smi t h.
2 MR. SMI TH: I ' m j ust about goi ng t o say t he
3 same t hi ng t hat Ri nar d sai d because I am
4 a r abbi t hunt er t oo. So I hunt down i n
5 El mor e Count y and Coosa Count y. Been
6 r abbi t hunt i ng al l my l i f e and I ' l l be
7 49 i n t wo weeks. And t hat ' s al l I ever
8 done i s j ust r abbi t hunt i ng.
9 J ust l i ke he sai d, i t ' s t oo hot t o
10 hunt when t he season st ar t i n
11 February - - i n - - I mean, i n Oct ober .
12 And t hen Febr uar y, you know, i t i s t he
13 t i me t o hunt because i t - - t he deer
14 hunt er s wi l l open up t he l and f or us.
15 You know, i t ' s pr obabl y 90 per cent of
16 t he deer hunt er s t hat , you know, l et us
17 go on t hei r l and.
18 I t al so hur t s t he quai l hunter s. I t
19 hur t s the squi r r el hunters . I t hur t s
20 ever ybody i f t he season be ext ended
21 i nt o - - i nt o t he Febr uar y year . So we' d
22 l i ke to keep our l i t t l e f our weeks.
23 Because f eedi ng t hem dogs i n t he
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1 way - - as hi gh as ever yt hi ng has got
2 r i ght now, you can' t - - you can' t hardl y
3 f eed t hem. Mat t er of f act , I need t o
4 sel l some of y' al l some.
5 But t hat ' s al l I had. I j ust wanted
6 t o be seen and be hear d.
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much,
8 Mr . Smi t h.
9 The next speaker wi l l be Mr . Randy
10 Year gan.
11 MR. YEARGAN: Good mor ni ng, Commi ssi oner , al l
12 t he boar d member s. Good t o see al l of
13 you agai n. I ' m Randy Year gan wi t h
14 Bowhunt er s of Al abama.
15 Fi r s t of al l , agai n, as I al ways t r y
16 t o do, I ' d l i ke t o t hank al l of you f or
17 al l t he t i me t hat you put i n l ooki ng
18 af t er our r i ght s and t ryi ng t o t ake care
19 of our r i ght s wi t h t he Depar t ment of
20 Conser vat i on and wor ki ng wi t h
21 ever ybody. And I know a l ot of you have
22 ot her j obs t o do and - - s i nce you' r e so
23 wel l pai d f or t hi s j ob i n deal i ng wi t h
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1 us. But we appr eci at e what you do. We
2 j ust want ed you t o know t hat .
3 I want ed t o addr ess t he boar d f or
4 j ust a mi nut e about a subj ect t hat we' ve
5 had some peopl e ask us about our opi ni on
6 on, and t hat ' s bas i cal l y what I want t o
7 do i s j ust l et t he board know t he
8 Bowhunt er s Associ at i on' s opi ni on on t he
9 subj ect . And t hat ' s t he subj ect of
10 r ange f i nder s, t hese bow- mount ed r ange
11 f i nder s.
12 They' ve been ar ound f or a l ong
13 t i me. I n t he l ast coupl e of years
14 t hey' ve got t en mor e popul ar . And we' ve
15 been asked by di f f er ent peopl e, you
16 know, how do we f eel about t he r ange - -
17 t he bow- mount ed r ange f i nder s. As l ong
18 as i t i s a range f i nder t hat does not
19 proj ect any t ype of vi s i bl e l i ght or any
20 t ype of vi si bl e beam, as an associ at i on
21 we' r e not opposed t o bow- mount ed r ange
22 f i nder s.
23 We use r ange f i nder s ever y day
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1 anyway. They' r e ei t her i n our pocket or
2 hung ar ound our neck. We don' t see any
3 reason why, l i ke I sai d, as l ong as i t
4 does not pr oj ect any t ype of l i ght , t hat
5 you coul d not mount i t on a bow. I f i t
6 makes a per son mor e ef f ect i ve and i t
7 makes f or a mor e et hi cal ki l l and you
8 want t o mount i t on a bow, we' r e not
9 opposed t o t hat .
10 So we' ve been asked, and I j ust
11 want ed t o addr ess t he boar d and l et t he
12 boar d know t hat we' r e not i n opposi t i on
13 of t hese r ange- mount ed bow f i nder s - - or
14 bow- mount ed r ange f i nder s. Excuse me.
15 So i f t hat subj ect i s t o come up i n t he
16 f ut ur e or what ever , I j ust want ed y' al l
17 t o know our posi t i on on i t . We' r e not
18 opposed t o i t , and we wi l l suppor t i t .
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Yeargan, whi l e we' ve
20 got you her e, how have t he hunt s at Oak
21 Mount ai n gone?
22 I know y' al l ar e conduct i ng t hose
23 now.
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1 MR. YEARGAN: I t hi nk t hey' r e goi ng ver y
2 wel l . We had an unusual season t hi s
3 year . Ther e was al most a compl et e crop
4 f ai l ure of acorns i n t he park t hi s year ,
5 and t hat ' s pr obabl y 90 per cent of t he
6 f ood sour ce i n t hat par k ar e t he acor ns
7 up t her e. We ki l l ed 59 deer t hi s year
8 i n a ver y unusual year wher e t her e wer e
9 not near t he number s of deer i n t he par k
10 t hat t her e nor mal l y woul d be.
11 We had - - I don' t - - t hat I ' m aware
12 of , I don' t t hi nk we had a s i ngl e
13 i nci dent wi t h t he publ i c or wi t h any of
14 t he ot her user groups i n t he park. I ' m
15 not awar e of a si ngl e t hi ng. We wer e
16 very wel l accept ed. I t hi nk t hi ngs
17 wor ked out ver y wel l . We di dn' t have
18 any i ssues t hat wer e not - - we had a
19 coupl e of i ssues ear l y wi t h some peopl e
20 t hat mi ght have been dr i vi ng t oo f ast
21 and stuf f l i ke t hat i n t he par k, and we
22 addr essed t hose i mmedi at el y. And I
23 t hi nk ever yt hi ng was ver y wel l
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1 r ecei ved. I t hi nk we had a successf ul
2 year consi der i ng t he s i t uat i on at t he
3 par k. I t hi nk i t went ver y wel l .
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Yeargan.
5 MR. YEARGAN: You' r e wel come. Thank y' al l .
6 MR. STRI CKLAND: Hey, Randy. Hey, Randy.
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We' ve got one quest i on.
8 Dr . St r i ckl and.
9 MR. STRI CKLAND: I ' m goi ng t o be put t i ng an
10 appl i cat i on i n f or Oak Mount ai n. You
11 guys ar e maki ng t hat deci si on; r i ght ?
12 MR. YEARGAN: Yes. We' l l t ake t hat i nt o
13 consi der at i on. Thank you.
14 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: The next speaker wi l l be
15 Cynt hi a Robi nson.
16 MS. ROBI NSON: Hel l o. Thank you f or seei ng
17 me. My name i s Cynt hi a Robi nson. I own
18 a nat ur al r esour ce management company i n
19 Nor t h Al abama, and our pr i mar y busi ness
20 i s wet l and restorat i on. I hel ped
21 establ i shed t he f i rst wet l and mi t i gat i on
22 bank i n Al abama i n Mor gan Count y, and
23 t hat was est abl i shed i n 1998. We now
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1 have one i n Madi son Count y t hat ' s j ust
2 openi ng.
3 We don' t have a wi l d pi g/ f er al swi ne
4 pr obl em i n Madi son Count y, but at our
5 Mor gan Count y mi t i gat i on ar ea, whi ch i s
6 750 acr es, I got t o see f i r sthand what
7 happened. When we pur chased t he
8 pr oper t y, i t had a t housand head of
9 cat t l e on i t . So there was - - i t was
10 al l i n agr i cul ture and cat t l e grazi ng.
11 And we pl ant ed 160, 000 har dwood t r ees by
12 hand, bot t oml and har dwoods. And af t er
13 about t he t hi r d year , t he wi l d pi gs came
14 i n. And I was out t her e doi ng t he
15 moni t or i ng, so I saw f i r st hand what was
16 happeni ng.
17 I ' m sure t hat you al l know, you
18 know, what ki nd of dest r ucti on t hey
19 make. But what was r eal l y i nt er est i ng
20 about our si t uat i on i s t hat because we
21 had establ i shed t hi s f or wet l and
22 mi t i gat i on, t her e was a bi ndi ng
23 conser vat i on easement over t he ent i r e
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1 pr oper t y and t her e was no hunt i ng
2 al l owed i n i t . And when we saw what
3 happened wi t h t he swi nes, we needed t o
4 change t hat . So we had t o get wi t h t he
5 i nt er agency r evi ew t eam and get al l of
6 t he f eder al and st at e agenci es t o agr ee
7 t hat we coul d br i ng i n hunt er s, whi ch we
8 wer e abl e t o do.
9 But I thi nk t hat the pi gs are j ust
10 ext r emel y smar t , j ust l i ke t he deer
11 ar e. They know when hunt i ng season i s
12 over and t hey come ar ound. And t he pi gs
13 ar e doi ng t he same t hi ng.
14 Our proper t y i s about - - I don' t
15 know - - 15 mi l es f r om Bankhead For est ,
16 and t her e' s a l ot of connect i ng
17 wat er sheds bet ween t he ar eas so t hat
18 t hey can t r avel back and f or t h. And I
19 don' t know. Maybe i t was about t wo
20 mont hs ago I r ead i n t he paper t hat
21 t her e was now open season on t he swi nes,
22 and I was real l y gl ad. I thi nk that - -
23 I t hought t hat anyt i me t hat t hey saw one
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1 t hat t hey coul d ki l l i t . But I t al ked
2 t o some f r i ends at Bankhead For est and
3 f ound out t hat t hat di d not i ncl ude t he
4 Wi l dl i f e Management Ar eas. So i n my
5 exper i ence wi t h t he wi l d hogs, t hey know
6 wher e t hey can go and have pr ot ect i on.
7 So t hat ' s what t hey do.
8 So i f t here - - i f t he i ssue comes up
9 wher e you ar e l ooki ng at changi ng t he
10 r ul es f or t he Wi l dl i f e Management Ar eas,
11 I woul d say l et ' s get t he pi gs out
12 because, ot her wi se, t hey j ust come i n
13 and t ake over .
14 Thank you.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Ms. Robi nson.
16 The next speaker wi l l be J ack
17 Cr opp.
18 Hol d on. Hol d on. Hol d on.
19 MR. HARTZOG: Gar y, what i s t he Depar t ment
20 l ooki ng at about t r yi ng t o change t he
21 WMAs? What ar e y' al l ' s t hought s or
22 pl ans or . . .
23 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Moody.
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1 MR. MOODY: I t hi nk t he boar d knows t hat t he
2 management ar ea i s i n par t ner shi p wi t h
3 t he U. S. For est Ser vi ce. And we wor k
4 very, very cl osel y wi t h t he U. S. Forest
5 Ser vi ce not onl y on t hi s i ssue but ever y
6 i ssue t hat comes up up t her e. Al l t he
7 nat i onal f or est i s not i n t he Wi l dl i f e
8 Management Ar ea. The par t of t he
9 nat i onal f orest outs i de the Wi l dl i f e
10 Management Ar ea has j ust as many pi gs as
11 Bankhead or a good popul at i on of pi gs.
12 The seasons ar e di f f erent . I t ' s not t he
13 season t hat ' s af f ect i ng t he pi gs and
14 everythi ng. I t ' s j ust t hey' ve got a
15 good popul at i on.
16 We are di scussi ng - - most of y' al l
17 know Fr ank Boyd who works wi t h t he USDA
18 Wi l dl i f e Ser vi ces. He' s been up t her e
19 sever al t i mes t o pr ovi de advi ce and
20 i nf or mat i on t o t he For est Ser vi ce on
21 t r aps and t r appi ng and met wi t h ci t i zens
22 gr oups on t r aps and t r appi ng. That i s
23 pr obabl y t he most ef f ect i ve way t o deal
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1 wi t h t he popul at i on as a whol e i f we
2 want t o do t hat . We ar e i n di scussi ons
3 r i ght now wi t h t he For est Ser vi ce, and
4 i f t hey ar e wi l l i ng, we' r e wi l l i ng t o
5 per mi t i ndi vi dual s t o r un some t r aps i n
6 t he wi l der ness ar ea.
7 So t hat ' s sor t of wher e we ar e r i ght
8 now. But pi gs can be hunt ed up t her e
9 anyt i me t her e i s a hunt i ng season, and
10 we have a speci al hog- hunt i ng season up
11 t her e. So f r om August t o t he end of
12 t ur key season t her e i s hunt i ng pr essur e
13 on t he pi gs anyway.
14 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Moody, Commi ssi oner
15 has a quest i on.
16 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Hel p me out her e. I sn' t
17 t her e an i ssue about get t i ng i nt o t he
18 Bankhead Nat i onal For est, l i ke t he
19 abi l i t y t o get vehi cl es i n t her e?
20 MR. MOODY: I n t he wi l der ness ar ea. I t ' s a
21 l arge area, 20 - - I f orget t he exact - -
22 20- somet hi ng- t housand acres. Ther e ar e
23 no vehi cl es al l owed per i od f or any
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1 purpose. So i t ' s al l wal k- i n. And that
2 i s a l i mi t i ng f act or on put t i ng pressure
3 on - -
4 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Tr appi ng.
5 MR. MOODY: - - t hat popul at i on wi t h t r appi ng
6 or hunt i ng or anyt hi ng el se. I mean,
7 you j ust - - i t ' s j ust a l ong ways i n and
8 a l ong ways out and i t ' s ver y
9 di f f i cul t . Hor ses can go i n and wagons
10 can go i n, but no mot or i zed vehi cl es.
11 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Do you t hi nk t he For est
12 Ser vi ce woul d al l ow an agency or woul d
13 work t o hel p get t raf f i c i ns i de t here
14 di f f er ent , you know, t han t he publ i c?
15 MR. MOODY: No. And I say t hat because t he
16 wor k t hat Fr ank di d, t hey had t o
17 hand- car r y ever yt hi ng i n and out .
18 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: They woul dn' t make any
19 except i on even f or our peopl e?
20 MR. MOODY: No. I mean, we' l l ask agai n and
21 we wi l l i nqui r e.
22 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Pl ease do.
23 MR. MOODY: But i t ' s our under st andi ng t hat
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1 t hey' r e bound by a nat i onal l aw t hat
2 t hey' r e deal i ng wi th. I t ' s not t he
3 l ocal peopl e up t here so much. I t ' s
4 j ust the f ederal l aw that they' re
5 wor ki ng under . But we wi l l i nqui r e.
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you ver y
7 much.
8 The next speaker wi l l be J ack Cr opp.
9 MR. CROPP: Mr . Chai r man, Member s of t he
10 Boar d, Mr . Guy, Member s of t he
11 Conser vat i on Depar t ment , my name i s J ack
12 Cr opp, and I ' m f r om Pel l Ci t y i n
13 St . Cl ai r Count y, Di st r i ct 2. Fi r st of
14 al l , l et me say t hat t hose of us who
15 enj oy usi ng t he Al abama out door
16 r esour ces appr eci at e what y' al l do f or
17 us. We t hank you.
18 I ' m sure t hat you' ve heard a l ot of
19 peopl e i n Al abama say t hat i f you need
20 t o bai t t o ki l l a deer i n Al abama, you
21 pr obabl y need t o f i nd your sel f anot her
22 hobby. There' s a l ot of t rut h t o t hat ,
23 but t he r eal i t y i s, i f you di scount al l
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1 the deer t hat ' s ki l l ed i n f ood pl ot s ,
2 over t rophy rocks, sal t l i cks, and ot her
3 l egal means of bai t i ng, t her e woul dn' t
4 be many l ef t . So I ' d l i ke t o see y' al l
5 go ahead and l egal i ze bai t i ng, l i ke
6 t hey' ve done i n a l ot of ot her st at es,
7 bef or e t he l egi sl at ur e comes up wi t h
8 somet hi ng t hat can' t nobody under st and.
9 Now, I don' t t hi nk t her e' s any doubt
10 i n anybody' s mi nd t hat Dr . St r i ckl and i s
11 a pr of essi onal and exper t ar cher y
12 hunt er . And Dr . St r i ckl and t ol d me a
13 coupl e of year s ago t he r eason he was
14 opposed t o shoot i ng a t ur key wi t h a
15 cr ossbow was because we needed t o
16 pr ot ect t hem. And mor e r ecent l y t he
17 Al abama Out door Yout h quot ed
18 Dr . St r i ckl and as sayi ng t hat an ar r ow
19 was not desi gned t o ki l l a t urkey.
20 Gent l emen, i f t hose ar e t he cases,
21 t hen you need t o ban al l ar cher y hunt i ng
22 f or t urkeys. But , ot her wi se, I woul d
23 l i ke t o see you gi ve t he crossbow t he
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1 same st at us as any ot her ar cher y
2 equi pment and t ake t hat t ur key- hunt i ng
3 r est r i ct i on of f .
4 You know, a l ot - - i n cl osi ng, a l ot
5 of f ol ks qui t hunt i ng when t hey get
6 ol der because t hey f eel l i ke t he
7 chal l enge i s a l i t t l e more t han t hey
8 want t o put up wi t h. And I not i ce t hat
9 i n some of t hese Wi l dl i f e Management
10 Ar eas you have ar eas set asi de wher e t he
11 exper i ence i s not qui t e as chal l engi ng
12 f or t he handi cap. I ' d l i ke t o see you
13 make t hose ar eas avai l abl e t o t he
14 el der l y as wel l , and you coul d cal l t hem
15 ar eas f or t he el der l y and ot her handi cap
16 hunt er s.
17 That ' s al l I have. Thank you.
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Cr opp.
19 Dr . St r i ckl and, woul d you l i ke a
20 chance t o r espond t o your comment s?
21 MR. STRI CKLAND: J ack, do you know my weapon
22 of choi ce f or t ur keys?
23 MR. CROPP: Beg your par don?
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1 MR. STRI CKLAND: Do you know my weapon of
2 choi ce f or t ur keys?
3 My weapon of choi ce - -
4 MR. CROPP: Pr obabl y a shot gun.
5 MR. STRI CKLAND: - - i s a 12- gauge
6 t hr ee- and- a- hal f i nch Magnum HEVI - Shot ;
7 okay?
8 MR. CROPP: Okay. I use
9 t wo- and- three- quar t er s .
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much,
11 Mr . Cr opp.
12 The next speaker wi l l be Randal
13 Chappel l .
14 MR. CHAPPELL: Good mor ni ng, Mr . Chai r man,
15 Mr . Commi ssi oner , Member s of t he Boar d.
16 My name i s Randal Chappel l . I l i ve i n
17 Bl ount Count y. I hunt i n Lamar Count y
18 and have f or about t he past seven year s
19 now. And I want t o addr ess t he boar d
20 about t he ext ensi on of t he - - t he
21 possi bi l i t y of t he ext ensi on of t he deer
22 season i nt o Febr uar y and t he bai t i ng
23 i ssue.
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1 As Commi ssi oner Guy ment i oned, t he
2 l egi s l at i on whi ch has been put i nt o
3 ef f ect i n Mont gomer y, Senat e Bi l l Number
4 124, does say t o ext end t he season and
5 al so t o al l ow bai t . I ' m i n opposi t i on
6 t o t hi s, t o both of t hese poi nt s .
7 And t here was an ar t i cl e i n t he
8 Bi r mi ngham News l ast week i n whi ch t he
9 cosponsor of t hat bi l l ment i oned t hat he
10 had spoke wi t h Commi ssi oner Guy about
11 t hi s. And i n t hat ar t i cl e i t ment i oned
12 t he possi bi l i t y of cl osi ng t he deer
13 season f or up t o t hr ee weeks i n
14 December , even t hough t hat i s not
15 ment i oned i n t he bi l l . And I ' m st rongl y
16 opposed t o t hat .
17 Wher e we hunt i n Lamar Count y, we
18 see some good r ut act i vi t y at t he end of
19 December , f i rst part of J anuary.
20 Cl osi ng t hat season t he f i r s t par t of
21 December woul d t ake away our pr er ut
22 per i od, whi ch i s, as you know, a
23 r ewar di ng t i me t o hunt . And I woul d
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1 hat e t o l ose t hat .
2 I al so bel i eve t hat ext endi ng t hat
3 season i nt o l at e February, i f i t was
4 done on a st at ewi de basi s and i f i t was
5 not a buck- onl y season, t her e woul d be a
6 l ot of pr egnant does t hat woul d be
7 suscept i bl e t o bei ng har vested.
8 Al so, I woul d t hi nk t hat t he l ease
9 pr i ces - - t hi s was addressed i n t he l ast
10 meet i ng accor di ng t o t he mi nut es, whi ch
11 I ' ve read. And I bel i eve i t was
12 Mr . Hat l ey. There' s a good possi bi l i t y
13 t hat l ease pr i ces coul d r eal l y j ump and
14 hur t t hose of us t hat ar e t he aver age
15 hunt er by havi ng such a l at e season i n
16 whi ch ot her hunt er s f r om out of stat e
17 coul d possi bl y come i n and dr i ve up our
18 l and l ease pr i ces.
19 And anot her r eason i s as t he smal l
20 game hunt er s ar e so gr eat l y pr esent i ng
21 her e, t he smal l game season i s i n
22 Febr uar y. I qui t smal l game hunt i ng and
23 I t ook up bow hunt i ng. I ' m l ooki ng t o
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1 get back i nt o t hat . I have a young
2 daught er . Hopef ul l y, i n anot her t hr ee
3 or f our year s I want t o i nt r oduce her t o
4 t he woods. I bel i eve smal l game hunt i ng
5 i s t he best way t o do t hat i nstead of
6 si t t i ng st i l l and qui et i n a deer
7 stand. I don' t want t hat ar ea t o be
8 crowded when I ' m i nt r oduci ng her t o t he
9 hunt i ng spor t t o car r y on t hat l egacy.
10 Al so, the bai t i ng i ssue. By
11 l egal i zi ng bai t i ng, some say i t wi l l
12 j ust l evel t he pl ayi ng f i el d. I
13 di sagr ee. I bel i eve t her e ar e many who
14 woul d not do i t st i l l , but t hen you
15 woul d have t hose t hat don' t do i t now
16 because t hey' r e l aw- abi di ng ci t i zens
17 t hat woul d st ar t doi ng i t t o compet e
18 wi t h t hei r nei ghbor s. That woul d even
19 hur t mor e, I bel i eve.
20 And i f t he - - I don' t know what t he
21 f i ne i s. I ' ve been t ol d i t ' s about 250
22 bucks. I f t hat f i ne was j acked way, way
23 up, t hen I bel i eve t hat woul d hel p cut
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1 out some of t hat bai t i ng as wel l as a
2 di scl ai mer on t hese busi nesses t hat sel l
3 cor n hot and heavy dur i ng t he deer
4 season t hat - - t o r emi nd peopl e t hat i t
5 i s i l l egal .
6 Al so, I j ust want t o t hank you f or
7 t he good j ob t hat you' ve done t hr ough
8 t he year s t aki ng t hese t hi ngs i nt o
9 consi der at i on and - - so t hat f ami l y and
10 f r i ends of t he l egacy of hunt i ng can
11 cont i nue on i n a good way. And t hank
12 you f or pr ot ect i ng t he r esour ces of
13 Al abama t he way t hat you have t hr ough
14 t he year s. Thank you.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much.
16 The next speaker wi l l be Fr ank
17 Fi scher .
18 MR. FI NCHER: That ' s Fi ncher . That ai n' t
19 Fi scher . I t ' s Fi ncher . Fi ncher .
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Fi ncher .
21 MR. FI NCHER: Fr ank Fi ncher .
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Excuse me, si r .
23 MR. FI NCHER: Al l r i ght . But I r epr esent t he
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1 dog hunt er s i n sout hwest Al abama, t he
2 mai n t hi ng, t he rabbi t hunt ers . I wrot e
3 a l i t t l e t hi ng her e. I ai n' t t hat good
4 a speaker , now, so bear wi t h me. I
5 t hi nk ever yt hi ng I wr ot e down her e has
6 done been br ought bef or e you her e about
7 t he r abbi t hunt er s.
8 What I di dn' t wr i t e i s about t he hog
9 hunt i ng. Up t her e at Scot ch, t he Del t a
10 wher e we had t he dog hunt , we ki l l ed a
11 bunch of hogs up t her e wi t h t hem dogs
12 and shoot i ng - - you know, shoot i ng t hem
13 wi t h buckshot . And, l ook, I can t el l
14 you f r om exper i ence at Scot ch and t he
15 Upper Del t a, i f you got hogs, t hen you
16 don' t have no deer . Deer i s not goi ng
17 t o st ay wher e you have hogs.
18 And I have been t o - - ever y t i me
19 Dr . Smi t h had a semi nar on hog hunt i ng
20 i n t he sout h par t of Al abama I ' ve been
21 t o i t . I ' ve got a coupl e of t housand
22 dol l ars ' wort h of hor se panel s , t r ap
23 gates. And I can tel l you,
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1 Dr . St r i ckl and, i t ' s har d t o t r ap a
2 hog. A deer , i t don' t do - - a deer
3 ai n' t near about as smar t as a hog. I
4 f ound t hat out r eal f ast . The best way
5 t o ki l l t hemhogs i s wi t h t hem hogs - - I
6 mean, wi t h t he dogs and a shot gun.
7 And i f you - - what I ' m t r yi ng t o
8 say, i f you ext end t hi s deer season out
9 i nto Febr uar y, I ' m def i ni t el y agai nst
10 t hat , whi ch t hat ' s r eal l y done been
11 br ought up. I got hog hunt er s t hat ' s
12 wai t i ng on t he 1st of Febr uar y t o go hog
13 hunt i ng. You can' t - - you cannot dog
14 hunt wi t h hogs, r abbi t s, anyt hi ng dur i ng
15 t he dayt i me when deer season i s i n,
16 especi al l y t hi s dog season.
17 And, now, you can t ake - - I wi sh you
18 woul d put - - gi ve us anot her f ew days on
19 t hat dog season at Scot ch and t he Upper
20 Del t a wher e t hem hogs i s t hi ck, and
21 maybe we can ki l l some of t hem. I ' ve
22 seen a l ot of t hem ki l l ed i n bot h pl aces
23 t hi s l ast year . That ' s al l .
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1 Wai t a mi nut e. Can I say one mor e
2 t hi ng?
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes, si r .
4 MR. FI NCHER: Y' al l l ast year come up wi t h t he
5 suppl ement al f eed and i t di ed on deer .
6 And I don' t own a l ot of l and, but I got
7 br ot her s and f ami l y and we got a l ot of
8 l and i n sout h Al abama. And I wi sh y' al l
9 woul d br i ng t hat up and get t he
10 suppl ement al f eed. You know, I was her e
11 l ast year when i t got - - i t got conf used
12 t her e and i t di ed. And I wi sh you woul d
13 br i ng t hat back up because t hat ' s - - we
14 need i t .
15 Thank you.
16 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much.
17 The next speaker wi l l be Danny
18 Fost er .
19 MR. FOSTER: Good mor ni ng, gent l emen. I ' m
20 Danny Foster f r om Pel l Ci t y, Al abama,
21 St . Cl ai r Count y. Thi s i s t he f i r st
22 boar d meet i ng I ' ve ever been t o.
23 What got me here, I ' m j ust a l i t t l e
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1 deer hunter , and I don' t - - a l ot of
2 t i mes we r ead t hi s stuf f . And, you
3 know, t hey say you can go on l i ne - -
4 t hi s gent l eman over her e went on l i ne
5 and got t hi s bi l l . What we got - - what
6 got me here was thi s l i t t l e ar t i cl e i n
7 t he Bi r mi ngham News on Sat ur day, 3- 5.
8 I t t al ked about cl osi ng t he season t hr ee
9 weeks i n December .
10 And I don' t know - - I know al l t hese
11 gent l emen know t hat t he r ut happens at
12 di f f erent t i mes i n Al abama. I hunt i n
13 Randol ph Count y. Our pr oper t y l i ne, t he
14 Al abama l i ne, and t he Geor gi a l i ne on
15 one sect i on of our l and i s al l t he
16 same.
17 Now, I don' t know how al l t hese deer
18 wer e st ocked, but my poi nt i s, my
19 br other ki l l ed a bi g ei ght - poi nt - - I ' ve
20 been down t her e 20 year s. He ki l l ed a
21 bi g ei ght - poi nt on December t he 6t h. I
22 seen a bi g ei ght - poi nt chasi ng a doe on
23 December t he 26t h. And I t hi nk t hat ' s
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1 about when i t ends. And I ' m not f or
2 ext endi ng t he season and I ' m sur e not
3 f or cl osi ng i t .
4 I got a l ot of money t i ed up i n
5 equi pment . We got l eased l and. We t r y
6 t o f eed t hem soybeans and i r on cl ay peas
7 i n t he summer . And I don' t want t o be
8 si t t i ng at home when t he bucks - -
9 ever ybody knows t hat ' s when you got your
10 best chance at shoot i ng a good buck,
11 dur i ng t he r ut . And whi l e our s r ut , you
12 can pr obabl y go r i ght on t o Chamber s
13 Count y and t he r ut i s goi ng t o be t he
14 end of J anuar y. But f or me and t hr ee
15 guys I hunt wi t h, our s i s December t he
16 6t h ever y year t i l l about December t he
17 26t h. And I j ust don' t want t o l ose
18 that . That ' s why I ' m her e.
19 Thank you, si r s.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you. We' ve got a
21 quest i on. Commi ssi oner Guy.
22 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Mr . Fost er , who i s quot ed
23 i n t hat ar t i cl e?
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1 Not me, I know. Who' s quot i ng about
2 cl osi ng - -
3 MR. FOSTER: Wel l , i t says Senat or What l ey has
4 i nt roduced t he bi l l , and Senat or - - and
5 I don' t know i f I can say hi s name. I t
6 st ar t s wi t h a "K" .
7 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Keahey.
8 MR. FOSTER: Keahey.
9 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Okay.
10 MR. FOSTER: He' s - - I t hi nk he' s a democrat i c
11 cosponsor . Basi cal l y, I ' m l i ke t he
12 ot her gent l eman. I don' t want - - I
13 don' t t hi nk we need our l egi sl at or s and
14 stuf f maki ng our l aws. I thi nk i t ' s
15 come out good wi t h y' al l get t i ng
16 r ecommendat i ons f r om bi ol ogi st s and
17 st uf f and t he advi sor y boar d maki ng
18 t hem.
19 Thank you.
20 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Thank you, si r .
21 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Fost er , I not i ce t he
22 name of your hunt i ng cl ub i s Dead Exe
23 Hunt i ng Cl ub. I s t her e any - - how di d
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1 t hat name come about ?
2 MR. FOSTER: I t ' s t he Dead Eye Hunt i ng Cl ub.
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Oh, okay. We have a
4 mi sspel l i ng.
5 MR. FOSTER: I pi cked t he name Dead Eye - -
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I j ust want ed t o make
7 sur e - -
8 ( Uni nt el l i gi bl e por t i on. )
9 MR. FOSTER: When you' r e i n Vi et nam, you l ear n
10 t o shoot wel l .
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you ver y
12 much.
13 Okay. The next speaker wi l l be
14 Steve Huf f aker .
15 MR. HUFFAKER: Good mor ni ng, Mr . Chai r man,
16 Mr . Commi ssi oner , Member s of t he Boar d.
17 Thi s i s my f i r s t t i me here, so y' al l
18 bear wi t h me. I ' m not as el oquent as
19 t hese f ol ks t hat wer e bef or e me, so I ' m
20 goi ng t o pr obabl y r ead a pr epar ed speech
21 i f you don' t mi nd.
22 As admi ni st r at or - - excuse me. I ' m
23 f r om Bal dwi n Count y, Bay Mi net t e,
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1 Al abama, t oo, by t he way.
2 ( Uni nt el l i gi bl e por t i on. )
3 MR. DEAN: Si r , excuse me. I ' m sor r y. Woul d
4 you mi nd readi ng t hat j ust a l i t t l e bi t
5 s l ower so she can get t hi s.
6 MR. HUFFAKER: Sl ower . Sur e. I ' m sor r y. I
7 t al k t oo f ast . I was t ryi ng t o get my
8 t hr ee mi nut es i n.
9 MR. DEAN: That ' s okay. We' l l gi ve you a
10 coupl e - -
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We' r e goi ng t o gi ve you
12 t i me.
13 ( Uni nt el l i gi bl e por t i on. )
14 MR. HUFFAKER: I ' l l s tar t over i f t hat ' s okay.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: That wi l l be f i ne.
16 MR. HUFFAKER: As admi ni st r at or of t he Websi t e
17 Ext enddeer season. com, I have r ead over
18 4, 000 e- mai l s i n f avor of ext endi ng deer
19 season t o have t he oppor t uni t y t o hunt
20 t he r ut mai nl y i n sout h Al abama. We' ve
21 r ecei ved t hese e- mai l s i n appr oxi mat el y
22 30 days and had, al so, over 1, 000 vi si t s
23 on our Facebook page. Thi s i s a
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1 gr assr oot s campai gn. We haven' t spent
2 any money i n adver t i si ng. Ther e ar e
3 t hree poi nt s I woul d l i ke t o t al k about
4 i n my al l ot t ed t i me.
5 The f i r st bei ng I ' ve hear d f r om
6 di f f erent peopl e t hat we are f or t hi s i f
7 i t doesn' t hur t t he resource. The
8 r esponse t hat we woul d have t o t hat i s
9 we ar e sur r ounded by st at es t hat t hei r
10 deer season goes t hr ough t he r ut and i n
11 some cases t he post - r ut . Then you
12 consi der t he st at e of Texas t hat has t he
13 l argest whi t e- t ai l ed herd i n t he
14 cont i nent al Uni t ed St at es. Al l of t hese
15 st at es' r esour ces have not been har med
16 by hunt i ng t he rut or t he post - rut .
17 Al so, wher e I hunt i n Monr oe Count y,
18 f ar mer s i n a t en- mi l e r adi us have been
19 i ssued over 500 per mi t s each year t o
20 t ake deer out t hat damage t hei r crops.
21 How many peopl e woul d t hat f eed i f t hey
22 wer e har vest ed i n t he ext ended season
23 r ather t han l ef t t o r ot i n t he f i el ds?
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1 The second poi nt i s f r om an economi c
2 standpoi nt . Hunt i ng i s a
3 bi l l i on- dol l ar - pl us busi ness i n
4 Al abama. Hunt er s spend t housands of
5 dol l ar s i n l eases, management of t hei r
6 propert i es, and ot her rel at ed i t ems.
7 Wi t h a t hr ee- buck l i mi t and many cl ubs
8 and i ndi vi dual s pr act i ci ng QMA
9 r ecommendat i ons, t hey' r e l et t i ng t he
10 young bucks wal k so t hat t hey wi l l have
11 t he oppor t uni t y t o ki l l a mat ur e buck.
12 And t hey ar e not r eapi ng t he r ewar ds of
13 har vest i ng a mat ur e buck si nce t hey' r e
14 not get t i ng t o hunt t he rut .
15 Many cl ubs ar e havi ng a har d t i me
16 f i l l i ng t hei r member shi ps, and l odges
17 ar e hur t i ng. Thi s cont i nues and many of
18 our hunt er s ar e qui t t i ng t he spor t or
19 goi ng t o ot her stat es t o hunt . The
20 out - of - stat e hunt er s, who cont r i but e a
21 l ar ge por t i on of t he DCNR' s f undi ng, ar e
22 consi der i ng no l onger hunt i ng i n
23 Al abama, and many of t hem ar e goi ng t o
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1 ot her st at es wher e t hey can hunt t he r ut
2 and have t he oppor t uni t y t o ki l l
3 wi l dl i f e.
4 Al so, t he mer chant s and vendor s of
5 t he stat e coul d cert ai nl y use t he ext r a
6 r evenue t hat t hi s woul d gener at e.
7 Ther e' s a l ot of suppor t f or char gi ng an
8 addi t i onal f ee t o hunt t he ext ended
9 season. Thi s woul d gener at e t housands
10 of dol l ar s whi ch woul d hel p DCNR' s
11 f i nanci al stat us, pl us possi bl y al l ow
12 f or r ai ses f or game war dens and
13 bi ol ogi s ts , whi ch i s needed.
14 Al so, i n r egar ds t o economi cs, one
15 of t he maj or i nsur ance compani es i n t he
16 stat e j ust r el eased a t wo- year study
17 t hat showed a 25- per cent i ncrease i n
18 deer- vehi cl e acci dent s at a cost of
19 $85 mi l l i on. They al so f ound t hat t her e
20 was a one- i n- 200 chance t hat a wr eck
21 wi l l occur i nvol vi ng a deer .
22 The thi rd and f i nal poi nt i s that
23 di scussi on has been t her e needs t o be
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1 mor e st udy done or we need t o f or m a
2 commi t t ee t o l ook at t hi s bef or e i t can
3 be consi der ed or r ecommended. I pr esent
4 t o you t oday somewher e over 4, 000
5 e- mai l s i n t hat box f r om hunt er s who
6 have exper i ence f r om f i ve t o 50 year s.
7 I f you j ust t ake t he l ow end of t hat of
8 f i ve years, i t gi ves you approxi mat el y
9 20, 000 years of st udy. Wi t h t rai l
10 camer as and QMA and ot her t echnol ogy,
11 you have an educat ed and i nf or med hunt er
12 t oday. The onl y t hi ng I ask you i s t o
13 have t he same oppor t uni t y t hat al l t he
14 ot her st at es have i n t he - - and gi ve us
15 i n t he sout h an oppor t uni t y t o hunt t he
16 r ut .
17 Thank you ver y much f or your t i me.
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much,
19 Mr . Huf f aker .
20 The next speaker wi l l be Mi chael
21 Wade J ones.
22 MR. J ONES: Mr . Chai r man, Commi ssi oner , and
23 Al l Boar d Member s, I oppose t he t wo- week
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1 ext ended season i n Febr uar y, f i r st of
2 al l , because I ' m a count ry boy. Thank
3 God I ' m a count r y boy. Ol ' Bocephus
4 sai d i t best . I t ' s j ust a f ami l y
5 t r adi t i on.
6 We al l l i ke r abbi t hunt i ng, and we
7 under stand t hat - - bei ng f rom t he sout h,
8 50 year s ol d, we al ways have smal l game
9 hunt i ng. When t hey t ook - - when t hey
10 t ook you of f your f eet and put you i n
11 t he ai r , t hey t ook t he hunt i ng out of
12 hunt i ng. You' re s i t t i ng t here wai t i ng.
13 Now you' r e not hunt i ng.
14 So I woul d l i ke t o say t hat when
15 you' r e r unni ng dogs and you' r e hunt i ng,
16 you have t o r espect your f el l ow man.
17 You' r e hunt i ng wi t h peopl e i n t he st ands
18 t aki ng shot s at you. You want t o hunt
19 when you f eel i n t he envi r onment t hat
20 you ar e saf e.
21 So I woul d l i ke f or t he board
22 member s and ever yone el se t o r eal i ze
23 t hat we al l par t i ci pat e i n hunt i ng. We
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1 al l l i ke hunt i ng. We woul dn' t do i t i f
2 we di dn' t l i ke i t . So when we get out
3 t her e t o hunt , we want t o f eel saf e.
4 Fi r st of al l , put r espect i ve peopl e - -
5 you don' t want t o be shot at . You don' t
6 want your dogs t o be shot .
7 Fr om t he pr essur e t hat t he dogs
8 have - - t he r abbi t have on t hem as f ar
9 as t he pr edat or s, your coyot es, your
10 f oxes, t hey don' t r un l i ke t hey used
11 t o. They r un l ong and st r ai ght now.
12 And t hat way, i f you got 2500 acres of
13 l and t o hunt , t hey mi ght veer of f on
14 somebody el se l and. The r abbi t never
15 come t o wher e i t was f i r st j umped at .
16 So we got t o t ake t hat i nt o
17 consi der at i on.
18 But a per son hunt i ng, i f your dog - -
19 i f your dogs run across hi s hunt , he' l l
20 say t hat you i nt er r upt ed hi s hunt and
21 he' s got an at t i t ude. But t he dog, t hey
22 don' t r eal l y know t he boundar y t hat
23 t hey' r e goi ng t o r un on and you don' t
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1 want t hem t o r un on. You want t hem t o
2 make t he ci r cl e and come back.
3 So we - - we r espect - - our deal
4 about r abbi t hunt i ng, you r espect
5 peopl e. You don' t want t o t ake - - I
6 ai n' t got t he st at i st i cs of how many - -
7 or how much r evenue i t br i ng i n because
8 I ' m so count ry t hat i t don' t make no
9 di f f er ence. Mi ne i s - - my r evenue i s a
10 bag l i mi t of ei ght rabbi t s per day.
11 Ei ght rabbi t s per day wi l l not equal t o
12 t he meat of one bi g buck. But we' r e
13 doi ng i t because i t ' s somet hi ng t hat you
14 l i ke and t hat ' s somet hi ng t hat you want
15 t o cont i nue.
16 So t hat ' s why I ' m standi ng here
17 t oday i s I don' t want an ext ensi on. I
18 want t o st i l l get t he bag l i mi t of ei ght
19 a day. Thank you.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . J ones.
21 Okay. The next speaker wi l l be Don
22 Kni ght .
23 MR. KNI GHT: Good mor ni ng, gent l emen. I ' m Don
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1 Kni ght , pr esi dent of t he Al abama Dog
2 Hunt er s Associ at i on and a hunt er .
3 Boy, I was al l set t o f i r e of f about
4 t he ext endi ng of deer season wher e we
5 wer e opposed t o i t because my phone has
6 been l i t up si nce t hat ar t i cl e came out
7 i n t he paper l i ke a bl i nki ng Chr i stmas
8 t ree l i ght f rom rabbi t hunters , coon
9 hunt er s.
10 You got t o st op and t hi nk about t he
11 coon hunt er s t oo. They have a l ot of
12 t hei r compet i t i ons i n Febr uar y because
13 t he l and i s avai l abl e. So cons i der
14 t hem. You' ve got t he squi r r el hunt er s.
15 And you' ve hear d some gr eat speeches
16 t oday f rom t he rabbi t hunt ers . I don' t
17 t hi nk t hat needs t o be gone i nt o any
18 f ur t her .
19 But I want t o t hank you ver y much
20 f or - - Commi ssi oner , Dan, al l of you
21 f el l ows - - f or l ooki ng i nto t hi s t hi ng
22 l i ke you ar e. I f i t ' s a bi ol ogi cal
23 r eason t o do somet hi ng wi t h t he deer
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1 herd, we wi l l be i n suppor t of i t . Our
2 bi ol ogi cal peopl e have done us a gr eat
3 j ob. I t hi nk t hat ' s t he reason we' ve
4 got a her d l i ke we' ve got t oday. And I
5 t hi nk t hey need t o be commended. They
6 need t o be l i st ened t o. And what t hei r
7 opi ni on i s by t he f act s t hat t hey get
8 needs t o make t he deci si on.
9 As f or t he season, I bel ong t o a
10 cl ub i n Tal l adega Count y. I t ' s ki nd of
11 l i ke t he gent l eman sai d. Our r ut comes
12 i n somewhere between December t he 9t h
13 and t he 12t h ever y year when we' r e st i l l
14 hunt i ng up there.
15 My dog cl ub i s i n Bar bour Count y.
16 You can go across 431 t owar d t he r i ver
17 and you can shoot deer i n t he r ut i n
18 November t hat come out of Geor gi a.
19 That ' s t he way t hey' ve been put i n t her e
20 and st ocked and al l . You can come over
21 f i ve mi l es t o wher e we dog hunt and t hey
22 don' t come i n t i l l J anuary. So, you
23 know, wher e woul d you dr aw t he l i ne i n
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1 breaki ng up t he count i es?
2 I mean, you' ve got t o st op and t hi nk
3 about dove season, t he compl i cat i ons,
4 t he pr obl ems, peopl e want i ng t he l i ne
5 moved, peopl e - - you' r e goi ng t o have
6 t he same t hi ng agai n i f you ext end t hi s
7 season. But I want ed t o go i nt o t hat .
8 Dan, does t hi s i ncl ude my
9 dog- hunt i ng t i me t oo? I had t wo of t hem
10 down ther e.
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Don, you have enough
12 t enur e t hat we' r e goi ng t o al l ow you t o
13 cont i nue speaki ng.
14 MR. KNI GHT: I ' ve been her e t oo l ong.
15 Okay. On t he dog- hunt i ng i ssues,
16 Mr . Gr ady, t he Bi g Hor n Cl ub has sent me
17 t hei r maps. They have sent me a l i st i ng
18 of t hi ngs t hey i nt end t o do and t r y t o
19 of f set any probl em t hey have. Al l t he
20 t hi ngs t hat t hey' r e t ryi ng t o do has t o
21 do wi t h account abi l i t y and
22 r esponsi bi l i t y, whi ch i s what we want
23 t hem t o do. I ' m wai t i ng on t he map f r om
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1 t he opposi t i on t hat don' t want t he dog
2 hunt i ng over t her e. As soon as I get
3 t hem, we' l l set t l e down. We' l l put t hem
4 t oget her . We wi l l t r y t o come up wi t h
5 maybe some ar eas t hat we don' t need t o
6 dog hunt i n t her e t o stop t hese
7 pr obl ems. We' r e goi ng t o set down and
8 cont i nue t o wor k on t hese pr obl ems, and
9 we appreci at e y' al l gi vi ng t hem t he t i me
10 t o get t hese i ssues stopped.
11 On anot her i ssue wi t h t he dog
12 hunt i ng i n t he nor t hwest count i es and
13 al l t hat ' s been cl osed down, I ' ve got t en
14 sever al cal l s l at el y - - mat t er of f act ,
15 I ' ve got a l ot of cal l s l at el y - - of
16 peopl e t hat ar e di sgr unt l ed. Now, we
17 had peopl e j ust qui t hunt i ng when we di d
18 away wi t h t hose hunt i ng - - dog hunt i ng
19 up t her e.
20 These peopl e are st i l l st i l l hunt i ng
21 at t hi s t i me, but what i t has done t o
22 t hem i s br oke up t hei r f ami l y at mospher e
23 at t hei r hunt i ng cl ub. Previ ousl y you' d
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1 get t oget her wi t h 50 of your f r i ends
2 t hat you' ve been gr owi ng up wi t h and
3 r unni ng dogs and have a bi g soci al
4 i ssue. Now i t ' s got t o t he poi nt t hat
5 t hey' ve had t o - - t o be abl e t o l ease
6 t hei r l and, t hey' ve had t o br i ng i n a
7 l ot of peopl e f rom out s i de. Now, over a
8 per i od of t i me maybe i t wi l l get back
9 t hat way. But i n t hat per i od of t i me
10 you' re l osi ng a l ot of hunters .
11 I want t o j ust ask you, when t hese
12 cl ubs come i n and ask f or a per mi t i n
13 t hose count i es, pl ease gi ve i t st r ong
14 consi der at i on. We need t o get t hese
15 peopl e back hunt i ng as qui ck as we can.
16 I f any i ssues come up, pl ease f eel f r ee
17 t o cal l me. I wi l l work on t hem. I
18 wi l l hel p any way I can. Take
19 consi der at i on f or our rabbi t hunt ers ,
20 our squi r r el hunt ers , and our j ust
21 over al l peopl e t hat hunt . We need t o
22 get mor e peopl e hunt i ng, not l ess peopl e
23 hunt i ng.
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1 Thank you ver y much.
2 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: The next speaker i s Loui e
3 Mat t ocks.
4 MR. MATTOCKS: Good morni ng, Gent l emen.
5 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Speak i nt o t he mi cr ophone,
6 pl ease, Mr . Mat t ocks.
7 MR. MATTOCKS: I s t hat bet t er ?
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: That ' s bet t er .
9 MR. MATTOCKS: Oh, okay. My name i s Loui e
10 Mat t ocks. I ' m f r om out s i de of
11 Beaur egar d, whi ch i s on t he Lee
12 Count y/ Russel l Count y/ Macon Count y
13 l i nes. And I ' ma r abbi t hunter .
14 And you mi ght want t o know what I
15 want t o t al k about t oday, and t hat ' s I ' m
16 agai nst t he ext ensi on of deer season
17 i nt o Febr uar y. We j ust hear d t he
18 prel i mi nary repor t basi cal l y t hat - - on
19 t he ef f ect on t he deer popul at i on. And
20 everybody' s poi nt ed out - - t her e' s
21 not hi ng I can say except t o r epeat what
22 has al r eady been sai d her e.
23 I do t hi nk t hat some of t he deer
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1 hunt ers are short s i ght ed i n t hi s . We - -
2 t he deer - - t he wi l dl i f e of Al abama
3 shoul dn' t be a r evenue sour ce. That
4 shoul dn' t be t he pr i mar y r eason. And
5 when we st ar t br i ngi ng i n - - I know we
6 have out - of - st at e hunt er s, and I know
7 t her e' s a pi l e of t hem. We had a l ease
8 t hat was l ost t wo year s ago. The
9 management company - - t he l ease went
10 f r om $8 t o $12 an acre. And t he deer
11 hunt er s who l et us r abbi t hunt on i t
12 dur i ng deer season, a l ot of t hem
13 deci ded t hey coul dn' t af f ord i t
14 anymor e. The l ease was gone. And now
15 we see Fl or i da t ags pul l i n al l t he
16 t i me. That ' s j ust t he way i t i s.
17 I don' t - - I t hi nk t he l andowners
18 who hunt and t he deer hunt er s - - i f you
19 go i nt o Febr uar y, what you' r e goi ng t o
20 have happen i s peopl e get out of
21 hunt i ng. Mysel f , I ' l l have t o sel l my
22 pack. Li ke t he gent l eman sai d, I spend
23 a l ot of money on t hem ever y year . And
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1 f or t wo weeks out of t he year when t he
2 br i ar s are greeni ng up and i t get s
3 warmer , i t ' s j ust not wor t h i t . And at
4 t hat poi nt I ' l l pr obabl y qui t hunt i ng.
5 And f or t he deer hunt ers I ' d l i ke t o
6 say t her e' s no bet t er way t o scout t hei r
7 propert y and f i nd t hat bi g buck. I
8 mean, when you can' t f i nd hi m f r om t he
9 stand, a r abbi t hunt er ' s pr obabl y goi ng
10 t o be abl e t o t el l you what t hi cket he' s
11 goi ng t hr ough and why he sees your st and
12 bef or e you see hi m.
13 That ' s r eal l y al l I have t o say.
14 Thank you.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much.
16 The next speaker i s Kel vi n Bai l ey.
17 MR. BAI LEY: Good mor ni ng. I ' d l i ke t o t hank
18 you f or t he oppor t uni t y t o come and
19 l i st en. I come t o you as a l andowner .
20 I own about 120- acre f ar m i n Bl ount
21 Count y, Al abama, j ust a l i t t l e nor t h of
22 Oneont a. I ' m a bow hunt er .
23 The pr obl em I have year af t er year
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1 i s dog hunt er s. They usual l y come i n
2 t her e - - t hey usual l y come out about
3 seven o' cl ock i n t he mor ni ng. I spend
4 al l year l ong get t i ng my pr oper t y
5 ready. I scout . I ' ve got stands
6 pl aced. I know wher e my deer ' s
7 r unni ng. I know wher e t hey ar e. And
8 usual l y t hey' l l get some ki nd of
9 per mi ssi on f r om somebody t hat owns l i ke
10 t en acres, and t hey' l l l et l oose about
11 t en dogs on i t .
12 Wel l , t he reason t hey do t hat i s
13 because you can see t he deer goi ng
14 ar ound my pr oper t y, j umpi ng acr oss t he
15 r oad, what ever , as t hey go out t hr ough
16 t here. So what they' l l do i s t hey' l l
17 get on t hat t en acres and r un t hei r dogs
18 across my propert y.
19 Me, as a l andowner , t hat ' s a
20 vi ol at i on of my r i ght s. Dog
21 t r espassi ng - - I know t hey don' t know
22 Engl i sh. I know t hey can' t r ead. But
23 i n my eyes t hat ' s j ust l i ke a per son
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1 t r espassi ng. You know, t hey have dogs.
2 They shoul d do ever yt hi ng t hey can f or
3 t hei r l i vel i hood and t he wel l - bei ng of
4 t hat dog j ust l i ke we do as chi l dr en - -
5 or f or our chi l dr en.
6 So what I ' d l i ke to see done i s i f
7 Bl ount Count y or even t he nor t her n par t
8 of Bl ount Count y coul d - - t her e coul d be
9 some ki nd of r estr i ct i on t her e sayi ng
10 t hat i f you don' t own or have a l ease of
11 at l east 500 acr es, t hen you shoul dn' t
12 be al l owed t o r un dogs. And t hat ' s
13 r eal l y al l I have t o say.
14 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you,
15 Mr . Bai l ey.
16 MR. BAI LEY: Thank you.
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: The next speaker i s Scot t
18 Cher ones.
19 MR. CHERONES: Commi ssi oner Guy, Mr . Moul t r i e,
20 how ar e y' al l ? Advi sor y Boar d Member s.
21 My name i s Scot t Cher ones. I ' m f r om
22 Hel ena, Al abama.
23 How you doi ng, Br ock?
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1 I happen t o own some l and and hunt
2 i n Chi l t on Count y, however , and j ust
3 want ed t o echo t he l ast speaker ' s
4 chal l enges wi t h speci f i cal l y deer dog
5 hunt i ng. And we have a t er r i bl e pr obl em
6 t hat i s j ust out of cont rol wi t h dog - -
7 deer dogs dur i ng t he stal k- hunt i ng
8 season t r aver si ng ot her peopl e' s
9 pr oper t i es. And i t i s a - - r eal l y, I
10 want you guys t o know t hat , you know, we
11 r espect t he r i ght s of t he dog hunt er s t o
12 hel p car r y on t hat t radi t i on. That ' s
13 t he r eason t hat t hi s i s an al l owed
14 pr act i ce i n t he stat e of Al abama,
15 obvi ousl y, because i t ' s such a
16 wel l - root ed t radi t i on. But t he i ssues ,
17 at l east i n our part of t he count y, ar e
18 - - have t o do wi t h ot her l andowner s'
19 r i ght s and t he i nf r i ngement of t hose
20 r i ght s . I t ' s j ust a t er r i bl e pr obl em.
21 I n the same t radi t i on l i ne of
22 t hi nki ng, I have had a very di f f i cul t
23 t i me get t i ng my own f ami l y br ought up i n
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1 the t r adi t i on of st i l l hunt i ng, whi ch i s
2 how I l ear ned how t o deer hunt , because
3 al most ever y t i me I ' m on a deer st and or
4 t r yi ng t o t each my chi l dr en how t o hunt
5 t her e ar e deer dogs r unni ng al l over my
6 proper t y and di st urbi ng our abi l i t y t o,
7 you know, hunt i n a way t hat we woul d
8 l i ke t o hunt . I real l y know of no ot her
9 ar ena wher e one gr oup' s act i ons i nf r i nge
10 so t er r i bl y on anot her gr oup' s act i ons
11 and i t ' s al l owed and even encour aged as
12 i t i s i n t he stat e of Al abama and, i n
13 par t i cul ar , i n my ar ea of Chi l t on Count y
14 wher e I own pr oper t y and hunt .
15 But I r eal l y - - t hat ' s t he mai n
16 poi nt s. I j ust - - you know, my mot her
17 i s a bi r d wat cher , and she' s even had
18 i ssues wi t h t he deer dogs di st ur bi ng her
19 abi l i t y on my pr oper t y t o do t hat .
20 Because she' s concer ned about t hese dogs
21 bar ki ng, wor r i ed t hat t hey' r e goi ng t o
22 bother her . I mean, i t ' s j ust a real l y
23 bi g pr obl em i n t hat ar ea. And sever al
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1 of my adj acent l andowner s and even
2 nei ghbor s not adj acent ar e her e t oday
3 wi t h t he same i ssue.
4 Anyway, t hat ' s al l I have t o say,
5 l et you guys be awar e of . Thank you.
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Cher ones.
7 Mr . Cher ones, I t hi nk I was r eadi ng
8 t hr ough t he di f f er ent ei t her compl ai nt s
9 of t he peopl e f or dog deer hunt i ng or
10 agai nst deer hunt i ng. Was i t you t hat
11 had t he compl ai nt t hat peopl e wer e st i l l
12 dog deer hunt i ng i n t he l ast t wo weeks
13 of J anuar y when i t was supposed t o be
14 banned? I s t hat cor r ect ?
15 MR. CHERONES: No. That ' s one of my nei ghbors
16 who wi l l al so speak. I wasn' t t her e at
17 t hat t i me t o wi t ness i t , but t hat was on
18 t he same - - i n t he same gener al ar ea
19 t hat I ' m - - where my proper t y i s.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Very good. Thank
21 you.
22 The next speaker wi l l be Paul
23 J ef f r eys.
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1 MR. J EFFREYS: Excuse me. I ' m not used t o
2 st andi ng st i l l whi l e I speak.
3 I t hi nk I need t o probabl y st ar t
4 si gni ng up under ot her t opi cs because I
5 usual l y come up her e i n t he di scussi on
6 agai nst dog deer hunt i ng, but t her e' s
7 been ot her t opi cs come up t hat I ' m - -
8 t hat I ' m al so i nt erested i n. And my
9 wi f e i s al ways - - al l t he t i me on me
10 t hat I need t o l i st some of my
11 credent i al s. And I ' m not too wel l at
12 t oot i ng my own hor n or bl owi ng my own
13 whi st l e, but I ' m goi ng t o gi ve thi s a
14 shot and see how i t goes.
15 But , anyway, not t o r ead str ai ght
16 of f a resume, I am an i nst ruct or at
17 Mi ssi ssi ppi St at e Uni vers i t y Col l ege of
18 For est Resour ces. I have a bachel or ' s
19 degr ee i n f or estr y. I have a master ' s
20 degree i n f orest genet i cs. I ' m a
21 pendi ng Ph. D. st udent i n f or est r y wi t h a
22 mi nor i n ext ensi on educat i on. So I have
23 a l ot of conservat i on educat i on
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1 backgr ound. I al so have r ecei ved a l ot
2 of wi l dl i f e management educat i on.
3 So I chose Mi ssi ssi ppi State
4 Uni vers i t y j ust because i t was i n t he
5 pr oxi mi t y of my home, not t o choose i t
6 over Auburn. But i t was j ust a l i t t l e
7 bi t cl oser . So I di dn' t want t o - - I
8 don' t want t o ruf f l e any f eat hers. And,
9 by t he way, we di d hel p wi t h t he
10 anal ysi s of the di r t f r om the t rees at
11 Toomer ' s Cor ner . So I j ust want t o make
12 t hat cl ear . Our l ab hel ped wi t h t hat ;
13 okay?
14 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Appr eci at e i t .
15 MR. J EFFREYS: So I hear a l ot f r om
16 Mi ssi ssi ppi hunt er s about t hei r hunt i ng
17 season. And I ' ve hear d some peopl e t al k
18 about changi ng or cl osi ng dat es i n t he
19 mi ddl e of t he deer season. And a l ot of
20 my col l eagues i n of f i ce, t hey' re
21 Mi ssi ssi ppi hunt er s. I - - act ual l y, I
22 have a l i cense - - Mi ssi ssi ppi l i cense.
23 I hunt over t her e al so.
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1 But t hey r eal l y f uss and compl ai n
2 ever y year about t hei r spl i t seasons and
3 what t hey' r e - - what t hey have t o put up
4 wi t h. Because t hey st ar t muzzl e l oadi ng
5 and t hen t hey go t o r i f l e and t hen t hey
6 st op and go back t o pr i mi t i ve and t hen
7 go back t o r i f l e. And t hey t al k about
8 how l ucky we ar e because we have j ust
9 t he st r ai ght season and t hat our season
10 ends when i t ' s supposed t o. And t hat
11 i s - - t hat ' s somet hi ng t hat t hey envy us
12 about .
13 Anot her t hi ng i s Mi ssi ssi ppi has
14 l engt hened t hei r deer season i n t he
15 sout h par t of t he st at e because of t he
16 rut . I t goes t o February t he 15t h, I
17 bel i eve. And I work upstai r s f rom t he
18 wi l dl i f e depar t ment , and I know
19 Dr . Demar ai s down t her e, our wi l dl i f e - -
20 or deer researcher .
21 And I can ask t he bi ol ogi sts here.
22 I f I ' mnot mi staken, I t hi nk t he r ut i s
23 act ual l y t r i ggered f rom t he dayl i ght
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1 gl eaned f rom t he deer ' s eye. So i t ' s
2 not - - i t ' s probabl y a genet i c probl em
3 more t han i t i s - - you know, and i t ' s
4 pr obabl y goi ng l onger because we have
5 t oo many does. They' r e j ust not get t i ng
6 bred. I t ' s st ar t i ng at t he same t i me.
7 We have such a bad - - or such an of f set
8 r at i o t hat we cannot - - t hat t he bucks
9 ar e unabl e t o br eed t he does i n t hat
10 amount of t i me.
11 So f or once I ' d l i ke t o commend - - I
12 t al ked t o Don Kni ght . I act ual l y agr ee
13 wi t h hi m. I don' t t hi nk we need t o
14 l engt hen t hi s deer season. And I woul d
15 l i ke t o encour age al l of y' al l t o l i st en
16 t o our bi ol ogi sts because t hat ' s what - -
17 you know, my educat i on i s i n r esear ch.
18 I ' ve done dat a anal ysi s. And we base a
19 l ot of our - - ever yt hi ng we do i s based
20 on number s and dat a t hat ' s col l ected.
21 We go i n t he f i el d and col l ect - -
22 I know. I ' ve got t o f i ni sh up.
23 - - dat a t hat ' s bei ng col l ected i n
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1 t he f i el d. So i t ' s al l - - i t i s based
2 on t hat . And we need t o - - bef or e we
3 make any r ash deci si ons about
4 l engt heni ng t he deer season, we need t o
5 l ook at t he dat a and real l y t ry t o key
6 i n on what i s t he probl em - - I mean,
7 what i s causi ng i t t o go i nt o Febr uar y
8 and cor r ect i ng t hat and maybe br i ngi ng
9 t he breedi ng per i od back.
10 I don' t t hi nk i t ' s somethi ng that - -
11 I don' t - - i t ' s not t he deer changi ng.
12 I t ' s not t he genet i cs changi ng i n t he
13 deer . Because i t ' s been t hat way f or
14 t housands and t housands of year s ever
15 si nce, you know, God creat ed t hem. But
16 what we need t o wor k on i s seei ng what
17 we - - somet hi ng has changed i n t hei r
18 dai l y r out i ne t hat has caused t hem t o go
19 i nt o Febr uar y t o br eed. And what we
20 need t o do i s we need t o l i st en t o our
21 bi ol ogi st s and see what we can do t o
22 br i ng t hat back.
23 Okay. I ' m al so a l andowner and
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1 hunt er i n Lamar Count y. We enj oy our
2 ban t hat we r ecei ved on dog deer
3 hunt i ng. And t al ki ng about number s,
4 t hey don' t l i e. We do not have any
5 compl ai nt s f r om l andowner s. We went
6 down t o f our . So l et ' s l ook at t hose
7 numbers and see how t hat has worked over
8 t he past f ew year s. And t hat ' s been a
9 success story. So I j ust ask t hat y' al l
10 mai nt ai n our ban i n our nor t hwest
11 count i es.
12 Thank you.
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . J ef f r eys.
14 MR. BROCK J ONES: Mr . Chai r man?
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes. I ' ve got t wo
16 quest i ons. Mr . J ones f i r s t . Mr . Brock
17 J ones.
18 MR. BROCK J ONES: I f we coul d get Chr i s Cook
19 t o addr ess t he i ssue of whet her t her e i s
20 a t r end i n hi s study so f ar on t he r ut
21 extendi ng i nto February or i f i t ' s
22 j ust - - t hi s past year j ust happened t o
23 be an of f year t hat t hat happened t o
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1 t ake pl ace.
2 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . J ones, we' r e goi ng t o
3 go i nto t hat i n a l at er par t of t he - -
4 t hei r di vi si on i s goi ng to present a
5 repor t on t hat . I s t hat goi ng t o be
6 adequat e t o pr esent t hen - -
7 MR. BROCK J ONES: Sur e.
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: - - so we can expedi t e
9 goi ng t hr ough t he publ i c sect i on?
10 Thank you.
11 Mr . Hat l ey.
12 MR. HATLEY: Paul , what does t he acr onym ASLC
13 st and f or ?
14 MR. J EFFREYS: Al abama Spor t sman' s and
15 Landowner ' s Counci l . And when I f i r st
16 st ar t ed comi ng down her e back when I was
17 j ust a young' un - - and you wer e pr obabl y
18 a f ew year s younger your sel f - - t hat was
19 t he name of our or gani zat i on. And we - -
20 I st i l l do - - I wor k wi th t hat gr oup.
21 So I am i n t hei r organi zat i on, and we
22 do - - we ar e suppor t i ng t he l andowner ' s
23 pr oper t y r i ght s when i t comes t o
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1 t r espassi ng.
2 And, i f I coul d, can I - - I was not
3 sayi ng t hat i t was j ust an of f year wi t h
4 t he deer . I ' m sayi ng i t has progressed
5 over t i me t hat our - - our deer
6 popul at i on has got t en so skewed t o one
7 si de wi t h buck- doe r at i o t hat t he bucks
8 are j ust not - - you know, t hey can' t
9 handl e t he pressure.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We' l l have a ver y good
11 repor t on t hat here shor t l y.
12 MR. J EFFREYS: Thank you.
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you.
14 MR. HARTZOG: When you di d your soi l sampl e of
15 t he Aubur n soi l , di d you r ecommend mor e
16 poi son?
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Let me cl ear t he r ecord on
18 t hat . That was Mr . Gr ady Har t zog.
19 Thank you, Mr . J ef f reys.
20 The next speaker wi l l be Mi chael
21 Lat hem.
22 MR. LATHEM: Good mor ni ng, gent l emen. I ' m
23 Mi chael Lat hem. I ' m a nei ghbor of Scot t
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1 Cher ones. We' r e i n Chi l t on Count y east
2 of 65, bet ween 65 and Lake Mi t chel l .
3 And I woul d l i ke t o echo hi s
4 comment s about t he nat ur e of t he dog
5 hunt i ng i n our area of t he count y. I t
6 seems t o be an i ncreasi ng pr obl em wi t h
7 dogs r unni ng across our pr oper t y and
8 bei ng - - t he dogs are bei ng
9 i ndi scr i mi nant l y l et out on ver y smal l
10 t r act s and r unni ng across our l and, and
11 i t ' s t aki ng t he enj oyment out of hunt i ng
12 f or me and my f ami l y. And I have young
13 boys, and t hey' ve j ust about qui t goi ng
14 because j ust about ever y t i me we go t hi s
15 exper i ence i s hamper ed by dogs r unni ng
16 i n ar ound us.
17 I ' ve had sever al conver sat i ons wi t h
18 dog hunt er s i n t he ar ea, and t hey don' t
19 seem t o car e t hat t hei r dogs ar e
20 crossi ng pr opert y l i nes and i nf r i ngi ng
21 on our l and. Agai n, t hey f eel l i ke t hat
22 i t ' s al l t hei r l and. And i t ' s har d t o
23 change t he at t i t ude. And t r yi ng t o
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1 r espect t hem and get t hem t o t r y t o
2 change behavi or has been di f f i cul t , but
3 we ar e t r yi ng t o do t hat i n a ver y
4 const r uct i ve way. I woul d ask you guys
5 t o consi der changi ng t he l aw and
6 r estr i ct i ng t he dog hunt i ng i n t hat ar ea
7 i f at al l possi bl e.
8 Thank you.
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Lathem, Commi ssi oner
10 Guy asked a quest i on t hat - - i s t hi s one
11 par t i cul ar cl ub t hat i s gi vi ng y' al l
12 pr obl ems or dog hunt i ng i n gener al i n
13 t hat ar ea?
14 MR. LATHEM: I t ' s har d f or me t o say. I don' t
15 know al l t he i ndi vi dual s . And I don' t
16 want t o be conf r ont at i onal wi t h t he
17 i ndi vi dual s. I know wher e t hey put
18 t hei r dogs out and - - but I don' t know
19 exact l y who t hey ar e. I ' ve t al ked t o
20 sever al of t hem. And one was a member
21 of t he cl ub, and one was not a member of
22 t he cl ub. And i t ' s not j ust dur i ng t he
23 dog season t hat t he dogs ar e out
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1 r unni ng. I t ' s bef or e t he season and
2 af t er t he season. So I can' t answer
3 t hat quest i on.
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: So, Mr . Lat hem, i t was you
5 t hat had pr obl ems wi t h t he dogs r unni ng
6 dur i ng J anuar y or somebody el se?
7 MR. LATHEM: That ' s not my compl ai nt . That ' s
8 goi ng t o be anot her i ndi vi dual . But I
9 di d see i t happen.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Very good. Thank
11 you.
12 The next speaker wi l l be Randy
13 St . J ohn.
14 MR. ST. J OHN: Mor ni ng, gent l emen. I ' m Randy
15 St . J ohn f r om Chi l t on Count y. Mi ckey
16 Lat hem and Scot t Cher ones ar e my
17 nei ghbor s. I ' m act ual l y i n bet ween
18 t hem. They own par cel s on bot h si des of
19 me. We manage cl ose t o a t housand acr es
20 bet ween t he t hree of us, I ' d say. I ' m
21 t he smal l est pr oper t y owner of t hem.
22 I ' m t he one t hat - - wel l , act ual l y,
23 Set h, a f r i end of mi ne t hat was wi t h me,
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1 he act ual l y i s t he one t hat got t he
2 dog. But we had t wo dogs t he l ast
3 weekend of deer season i n J anuar y t hat
4 we caught r unni ng does. And t he - - I
5 cal l ed t he game war dens f i r st when I got
6 t he dogs i n t he a. m. hours, I ' d say, 10,
7 11 a. m. We di dn' t get no r esponse f r om
8 t hem. At about , I want t o say, t hr ee or
9 f our o' cl ock bef or e i t got dar k,
10 I cal l ed t he dog owner t o l et hi m know
11 t hat I had hi s dogs. And he come out
12 t her e, and he commenced t o t el l i ng me
13 t hat t hey had t ur ned t hem l oose on a
14 pi ece of pr oper t y about 20 t o 30 acres.
15 I t ' s al most t wo mi l es f r om wher e we wer e
16 at . And he sai d t hat t hose dogs wer e
17 r unni ng t hr ee bi g does, t hat t hey t ook a
18 shot at t hem and he di dn' t hi t t hem
19 and - - excuse me - - and t he dogs wer e
20 j ust r unni ng.
21 I sai d, wel l , t hose does happened t o
22 be on my pr oper t y. Mat t er of f act , t hey
23 about pl owed over Set h t r yi ng t o get
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1 away f r om t he dogs. And he act ual l y was
2 abl e t o cat ch t he dogs. And we' r e
3 near l y t wo mi l es f r om wher e he t ur ned
4 t he dogs out .
5 And t he quest i on was, i s i t a
6 par t i cul ar cl ub? No, si r . I t ' s a cl ub
7 and a pr i vat e l andowner t hat has wr i t t en
8 per mi ssi on t o t hese dog hunt er s t o al l ow
9 t hem t o hunt on t hei r pr oper t y i n smal l
10 parcel s of l and. I t hi nk i t ' s under 500
11 acres . I don' t bel i eve 500 acres i s
12 suf f i ci ent f or dog hunt i ng. I t hi nk i t
13 needs t o be i n t he t housands of acres.
14 I ' ve caught dogs i n - - I catch
15 anywher e f r om si x t o t en dogs dur i ng t he
16 season. I l i ve at t he end of t he road.
17 I l i ve - - t hat ' s my per manent addr ess.
18 I know t hat - - I cat ch anywher e f r om si x
19 t o t en dogs a year . These i ndi vi dual s
20 t ur n t hei r dogs l oose on t he ot her s i de
21 of t he cr eek on - - near t he pr oper t y
22 l i ne, i f not on a road access, and t hei r
23 dogs j ust i nstant l y come our di r ect i on.
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1 I don' t know - - I don' t know why or , you
2 know, i f i t ' s j ust t he way t he deer
3 t ravel comi ng t o us f rom t he cr eek.
4 Some of t he dogs have r adi o col l ar s on.
5 Some of t hemdon' t .
6 The dog hunt er s have no concer n of
7 us as pr i vat e pr oper t y owner s. They
8 have no desi r e t o wor k wi t h us. Thei r
9 at t i t ude i s I ' ve l i ved her e al l my
10 l i f e. I can do what I want t o do. I ' ve
11 owned t hi s pr oper t y. My f ami l y has
12 owned t hi s l and. You know, you movi ng
13 here, i t doesn' t bot her us, and we' l l
14 r un our dogs when we want t o. That
15 seems t o be t he gener al at t i t ude of
16 ever y dog hunt er t hat I ' ve r un i n t o.
17 I know t hat t her e may be good dog
18 hunt ers out t here. I ' m not sayi ng
19 t her e' s not . But i n t he ar ea t hat we
20 have t hey' r e out of cont rol . They' re
21 r ut hl ess. They t hr ow t r ash on t he
22 r oads. They - - i f t hey cat ch a game
23 war den i n t he ar ea, t hey have CB
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1 radi os. They' l l r adi o t o thei r buddi es
2 sayi ng, hey, t he f ox i s i n t he hen house
3 or what ever . And t hey act str ai ght f or
4 a l i t t l e whi l e t i l l t he game warden
5 l eaves t he ar ea.
6 I ' ve had a game war den t el l me t hat
7 when he does cat ch one on t he r oad or
8 near t he r oad t hat he has a f i ne, but
9 al l of hi s buddi es pi t ch i n a hat and
10 col l ect the f i ne, and i t don' t cost them
11 t en or $12 a pocket book. And i n my
12 opi ni on t hat ' s - - t hat ' s j ust car el ess.
13 And I - - I mean, I ' m st r i ct l y
14 opposed t o dog hunt i ng i n our ar ea i n
15 Chi l t on Count y. And l i ke Mi ckey sai d,
16 we' r e bet ween I - 65 and Lake Mi t chel l ,
17 f r om Lay Dam t o Mi t chel l Dam. And i t ' s
18 j ust - - i t ' s out of cont r ol . I t ' s j ust
19 r i di cul ous.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . St . J ohn, t wo t hi ngs.
21 The Commi ssi oner had asked who' s zone
22 you were i n - - or di st r i ct you wer e i n,
23 and you had t al ked t o Mr . Dobbs; i s t hat
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1 cor r ect ?
2 MR. ST. J OHN: Cor r ect , yes , s i r .
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: So you have appr oached t he
4 boar d?
5 MR. ST. J OHN: Yes.
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: The t wo weeks t hat t hey
7 wer e hunt i ng i n J anuar y when t he season
8 was cl osed and you cal l ed t he war den,
9 di d he make a case on t hat ?
10 MR. ST. J OHN: I don' t know - - I never di d get
11 a war den t o t he house - - or t o our
12 l ocat i on. I j ust had a warden say,
13 l ook, i f you have anot her pr obl em, cal l
14 me. And he' s t ol d me about t he i ssues
15 t hat ' s he had wi t h t r yi ng t o t r ack t hem
16 down and hi s mor e concer n was peopl e
17 spot l i ght i ng at ni ght and hunt i ng at
18 ni ght mor e t han i t was on dog hunt er s.
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l an, have you had any
20 knowl edge of dog hunt i ng dur i ng t he
21 cl osed par t of t he season, t he l ast t wo
22 weeks? Has t hat been any ki nd of
23 pr obl em?
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1 MR. ANDRESS: I ' m not awar e of anyt hi ng i n
2 t hi s par t i cul ar ar ea.
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Very good.
4 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: How about t al ki ng t o
5 Mr . Andr ess bef or e you l eave t oday
6 concer ni ng t hat .
7 MR. ST. J OHN: Yes, s i r . Thank you, s i r .
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you ver y
9 much.
10 MR. ST. J OHN: Thank you.
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l r i ght . The next
12 speaker i s Mr . J er ome Boone.
13 MR. BOONE: Good mor ni ng. I ' m J er ome Boone
14 f r om - -
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Speak i nt o t he mi cr ophone,
16 pl ease, Mr . Boone.
17 MR. BOONE: I ' m f r om Tal l apoosa Count y. I ' m
18 t he pres i dent of t he Hi gh Hi l l
19 Conser vat i on Cl ub, a dog- hunt i ng cl ub.
20 And I ' d l i ke f or y' al l t o reconsi der t he
21 vot e y' al l made at t he f i r st meet i ng on
22 put t i ng Tal l apoosa Count y on a per mi t
23 syst em. We wasn' t abl e t o def end
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1 oursel f . I ' ve been t o a l ot of these
2 meet i ngs, and I ai n' t never seen a
3 deci si on made on t he f i r st meet i ng.
4 Usual l y i t ' s t he t hi r d meet i ng.
5 And t he boy t hat ' s vi ce- pr es i dent of
6 t he cl ub, he owns 75 acr es t hat ' s
7 adj oi ni ng t he l ady t hat ' s compl ai ned
8 about dogs r unni ng on her pr oper t y. I
9 don' t per sonal l y know t he l ady. I know
10 her mot her and f at her . And she want ed
11 t o bow hunt on i t whenever . We sur r ound
12 t hei r proper t y t ot al l y. I woul d have
13 been mor e t han gl ad t o have wor ked out a
14 schedul e wi t h her f or her t o hunt her
15 pr oper t y and nobody bot her i ng her .
16 And when I seen who she was speaki ng
17 f or , I got a sher i f f ' s repor t on one of
18 t he guys t hi s past season wher e he
19 caught t he boy' s dog. And i t was hi s
20 yar d dog. He l i ves by hi s pr oper t y.
21 And t he f i r st quest i on he asked, i sn' t
22 your uncl e J er ome Boone?
23 And i t ' s a vengeance t hi ng. And
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1 I - - I mean, I chal l enge y' al l t o check
2 out what t hese peopl e i s sayi ng because
3 i t j ust - - we al l l i ve t her e. We cut
4 our member shi p t hi s t i me t o hal f of what
5 we was doi ng. I t al ked t o Mi chael
6 East . He sai d t he smoot hest hunt i ng
7 season he had. Then I get down her e at
8 t he f i r st meet i ng, and I was a coupl e of
9 mi nut es t oo l at e t o s i gn up t o speak.
10 And, you know, what was t ol d - - i t was
11 mor e or l ess t he same gr oup t hat came
12 l ast year except t hey got a di f f er ent
13 speaker .
14 And I j ust - - I j ust wi sh y' al l
15 woul d r econsi der . I i nvi t e y' al l t o
16 hunt wi t h us and be gl ad f or any of
17 y' al l t o come down and t al k t o t he
18 peopl e t hat l i ve i n t he communi t y. Let
19 t hem t el l you. I t ai n' t - - i t i sn' t
20 l i ke the peopl e that ' s l i vi ng t here i s
21 compl ai ni ng. I t ' s t he ones t hat ' s
22 comi ng i n and l easi ng Al abama Power
23 Company l and.
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1 Our cl ub does not j oi n t he
2 Tal l apoosa Ri ver . The power company has
3 l and bet ween our l and and t he Tal l apoosa
4 Ri ver . And I ' ve l i ved t here al l my
5 l i f e. I ' m a f our t h- gener at i on dog
6 hunt er , and t hat ' s wher e i t began.
7 Ther e' s t hr ee dog- hunt i ng cl ubs f r om
8 Camp ASCCA, t he East er Seal s, t o
9 Hor seshoe Bend Nat i onal Mi l i t ar y Par k.
10 And t hat ' s wher e dog hunt i ng began when
11 t he f i rst deer was ever put i n
12 Tal l apoosa Count y. And al l we want t o
13 do i s run our dogs.
14 And t her e' s pl ent y of power company
15 l and acr oss Tal l apoosa Ri ver t hat ' s not
16 l eased. I mean, i f you' re t otal l y
17 agai nst dog hunt i ng, don' t want t o be
18 ar ound i t , why do you come and l ease a
19 pi ece of pr oper t y i n t he mi ddl e of dog
20 hunt i ng? I don' t understand i t . I
21 r eal l y don' t .
22 We had a gr oup f r om Randol ph Count y
23 t hat came down and l eased f r om t he power
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1 company. Ki l l ed over 30 of our dogs.
2 We f i nal l y deal t wi t h t he power company
3 and got t hem moved out . But t hey l ef t
4 t he count y t hat t hey had got t en dog
5 hunt i ng done away wi t h and come t o our
6 count y. Thi ngs l i ke that I don' t
7 under st and. I r eal l y don' t .
8 And I f ound out who shot my dog l ast
9 year . I had a dog t hat - - r i ght bef ore
10 t he Euf aul a meet i ng. Cost me
11 450- somet hi ng- dol l ar s t o have hi s l eg
12 amput ated. I t ol d the sher i f f ' s
13 depar t ment , t ol d t he game war den. And
14 t he boy t hat - - was st andi ng t her e when
15 t he guy done i t . And I don' t know. We
16 can' t get no hel p. Can' t get no hel p.
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Lynch, I bel i eve t hi s
18 i s your di st r i ct .
19 MR. LYNCH: Mr . Boone, t hi s was di scussed
20 extensi vel y l ast year at al l the
21 meet i ngs. I had di scussi ons wi t h you
22 and ot her f ol ks on t he ot her si de of t he
23 i ssue, had di scussi ons wi t h t he of f i cers
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1 t hat ar e over t hat ar ea, had di scussi on
2 wi t h t hem agai n pr i or t o comi ng t o our
3 f i rst meet i ng t hi s year wher e i t was
4 br ought up agai n. And we vot ed on i t
5 based upon t he f act t hat i t had been
6 ext ensi vel y di scussed t he year bef or e.
7 The l ast t hi ng you and I t al ked
8 about at t he l ast meet i ng l ast year ,
9 when nobody came t o speak agai nst i t ,
10 you sai d i t ' s not f ai r t o put i t i n when
11 nobody i s speaki ng agai nst i t . I t ol d
12 you at t hat t i me I agr eed wi t h t hat . So
13 we di dn' t vot e on t hat . But I t ol d you,
14 al so, t hat i f we di dn' t see i mpr ovement
15 and t her e wasn' t a di f f erent at t i t ude
16 t hat t he next st ep woul d have t o be t o
17 go t o t he per mi t system.
18 Now, you' r e not goi ng t o be t ol d you
19 can' t hunt wi t h dogs. You' r e j ust goi ng
20 t o have t o hunt under t he way t he per mi t
21 system i s set up. So we di dn' t t ake
22 away your r i ght t o hunt wi t h dogs on t he
23 pr oper t y you' r e hunt i ng on, but we want
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1 you t o get al ong wi t h your nei ghbor s i n
2 a bet t er manner so we can cont i nue
3 f or war d i n bot h si des get t i ng al ong. So
4 t hat ' s what we' re aski ng.
5 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much.
6 MR. BOONE: May I say somet hi ng?
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Ver y qui ckl y, Mr . Boone.
8 MR. BOONE: I woul d j ust l i ke - - can you t el l
9 me who ar e my nei ghbor s I don' t get
10 al ong wi t h?
11 I mean, I - - I get al ong wi t h al l my
12 nei ghbor s. Thi s i s not goi ng t o stop.
13 I can t el l you t hat t hey' ve done sai d
14 i t . Al l t hey want t o do i s do away wi t h
15 i t , and t hi s i s t he f i r st st ep.
16 MR. LYNCH: Y' al l have got t he per mi t syst em
17 t o pr ot ect you. Al l you have t o do i s
18 go by t he gui del i nes of t he per mi t
19 syst em. And as l ong as you adher e t o
20 t hat , you can cont i nue t o do what you' r e
21 doi ng.
22 MR. BOONE: What ' s t he - - i f t hey st i l l cat ch
23 your dog, t hen what ' s t he - - what i s - -
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1 I mean, how many t i mes do t hey have t o
2 cat ch your dog or what ?
3 I di dn' t even have a dog t hi s year
4 because t hey f i ni shed poi soni ng t he r est
5 of mi ne l ast summer .
6 MR. LYNCH: You can wor k wi t h your of f i cer s,
7 and t hey' l l be t he ones t hat wi l l wor k
8 wi t h you on whet her or not t he gr oups
9 are get t i ng al ong. That ' s why i t ' s set
10 up t hat way. The peopl e t hat ar e on t he
11 ground - - I ' m not down t here al l t he
12 t i me. They ar e. They' r e t he f ol ks t hat
13 know t hat ar ea bet t er t han anybody
14 el se. They know t he l andowner s t hey' r e
15 deal i ng wi t h. They know t he dog- hunt i ng
16 and t he hunt i ng cl ubs t hey' r e deal i ng
17 wi t h. And t hat ' s what t hey do.
18 MR. BOONE: We' ve got one of our of f i cer s
19 that ' s t otal l y agai nst dogs.
20 MR. LYNCH: Wel l , that ' s who you have t o wor k
21 wi t h.
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Boone, t hank you.
23 The next speaker i s Susan Mor r ow.
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1 MS. MORROW: Chai r man, Commi ss i oner , Members
2 of t he Boar d, good mor ni ng. I ' m Susan
3 Morr ow f rom Mobi l e Count y. I t hi nk al l
4 of you about know me by now.
5 I am here. I am a dog hunt er and
6 al so a st al k hunt er . And we have 39
7 management ar eas i n t he st at e of
8 Al abama. Four we ar e al l owed t o dog
9 hunt on. And I woul d l i ke t o see mor e
10 dog days on our management ar eas.
11 And, al so, I woul d l i ke t o br i ng up
12 t he f act - - I wr ot e al l of y' al l a
13 l et t er - - i f you haven' t got i t , you
14 wi l l be get t i ng i t - - about ext endi ng
15 deer season.
16 I hunt i n several count i es, and t he
17 r ut i s happeni ng. You know, i t has a
18 l ot t o do wi t h weat her , I guess . I
19 don' t r eal l y under stand what t he r ut i s ,
20 I guess, compar ed t o t he - - some of t he
21 peopl e ar e sayi ng t hey want t o hunt t he
22 r ut . But I ' m not f or i t because i t wi l l
23 hur t t he r abbi t hunt er s, and I don' t see
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1 t he need f or i t . I guess what I ' m
2 t r yi ng t o say i s i f i t ' s not br oke,
3 don' t f i x i t . And thi s has been - - as
4 l ong as I can r emember , t he season has
5 been the way i t i s. And i f i t ' s not
6 br oke, don' t f i x i t .
7 And I di d br i ng some mor e names,
8 si gnat ur es, suppor t i ng dog hunt i ng and
9 woul d l i ke mor e days on t he management
10 areas. And I woul d appr eci at e i t i f
11 y' al l coul d l ook at t hi s.
12 Thank you.
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Ms. Mor r ow.
14 MR. HARTZOG: Gar y.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Har t zog.
16 MR. HARTZOG. At , I t hi nk, t he l ast meet i ng
17 when Susan spoke we t al ked about t he
18 possi bi l i t y of t he Depar t ment l ooki ng at
19 some mor e days. Have y' al l come up wi t h
20 anyt hi ng?
21 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Moody.
22 MR. MOODY: We have not set t he management
23 ar ea seasons yet or made
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1 r ecommendat i ons. We' ve asked our st af f
2 t o l ook at maki ng some ext r a days.
3 One t hi ng t hat Ms. Mor r ow br ought up
4 at t he l ast meet i ng was conf l i ct i ng
5 dat es on a coupl e of di f f erent
6 management ar eas, and I t al ked wi t h t he
7 s taf f . Some of t hat i s done
8 i nt ent i onal l y t o keep cr owds i n cont r ol
9 wi t hi n l andowner expectati ons on t hose
10 pr oper t i es so we don' t have pr obl ems
11 wi t h nei ghbor i ng l andowner s and have t oo
12 many peopl e on one ar ea at a t i me. So
13 t her e' s some t hi ngs t o wor k out , but we
14 ar e l ooki ng at t r yi ng t o see what we can
15 do.
16 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Moody.
17 The next speaker i s J ohnny Rober t s.
18 MR. ROBERTS: Thank you f or al l owi ng me t o
19 speak. I ' m an advocat e of al l hunt i ng
20 and f i shi ng pr i vi l eges. But t here' s
21 cer t ai n hunt i ng pr i vi l eges t hat are
22 comi ng under at t ack, and I bel i eve i t ' s
23 based upon bi g money and l obbyi st s.
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1 Dog hunt i ng dur i ng deer season has
2 been a t r adi t i on i n Al abama f or as l ong
3 as I ' ve been hunt i ng. That ' s 1967. I ' m
4 60 year s ol d, and I woul d hat e t o see
5 t hi s t r adi t i on go t o t he waysi de. Once
6 you star t i nf r i ngi ng on dog hunt i ng,
7 r abbi t hunt i ng, coon hunt i ng, and
8 squi r r el hunt i ng, t he dog wi l l be next .
9 Thank you.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much.
11 The next speaker i s Der r el l Wr i ght .
12 I f y' al l wi l l hol d your appl ause
13 unt i l t he end, pl ease.
14 Der r el l Wr i ght .
15 MR. WRI GHT: Good mor ni ng. I ' m a gunsmi t h.
16 I ' m a member of t he Amer i can Gunsmi t hi ng
17 Associ at i on, an NRA member . I enj oy al l
18 t ypes of hunt i ng.
19 The maj or i t y of my r epai r s ar e on
20 shot guns. The maj or i t y of my sal es ar e
21 shot guns. I f we out l aw buckshot , I ' m
22 goi ng t o be - - I ' m goi ng t o have a l ar ge
23 i nvent or y t hat ' s goi ng t o be har d t o
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1 l i qui dat e. I t hi nk i t wi l l af f ect a l ot
2 of ot her busi nesses al so. Ther e' s not
3 ver y much t hat can go wr ong wi t h a
4 bol t - act i on r i f l e.
5 I have t hr ee dogs. I spend ar ound a
6 t housand dol l ar s a year i n dog f eed. A
7 l ot of peopl e have l arger packs of
8 dogs. And t hat ' s a l ot of money t hat ' s
9 goi ng t o be l ost out of t he economy. I
10 t hi nk dog owner s spend a l ot of money i n
11 t he st at e of Al abama t hat ' s not bei ng
12 r ecogni zed.
13 Peopl e wi t hout t he mi ni mum acreage
14 won' t be abl e t o put on a man dr i ve.
15 Nobody i s goi ng t o want t o be out t her e
16 i n t he cut over wal ki ng t hr ough when
17 ever ybody' s got hi gh- power ed r i f l es. I
18 t hi nk t hat woul d be danger ous. I t hi nk
19 i t woul d be a saf et y i ssue. And Al abama
20 i s most l y cut over now. I t ' s most l y
21 pi ne.
22 I t hi nk t her e shoul d be some ki nd of
23 compr omi se. The maj or i t y of t he peopl e
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1 t hat want t o st op dog hunt i ng ar e
2 hunt i ng over bai t , so t hey' re basi cal l y
3 br eaki ng t he l aw al r eady. And I don' t
4 t hi nk i t woul d be qui t e f ai r .
5 I t hi nk we need t o gi ve our
6 conser vat i on of f i cer s t he r esour ces t hey
7 need t o enf or ce t he l aws t hat ar e
8 al r eady on t he books. They' r e
9 over whel med. They have bi g ar eas t o
10 cover . I t hi nk we have some f i ne
11 of f i cer s i n our di st r i ct .
12 Hunt i ng wi t h a dog i s hunt i ng wi t h a
13 dog. I f you ar e goi ng t o r egul at e our
14 hunt i ng deer dogs, ever y dog shoul d be
15 r egul at ed i n t he same manner . Tel l i ng a
16 man t hat he can' t hunt wi t h hi s dogs,
17 t hat ' s un- Amer i can. I bel i eve t hat i f
18 t he peopl e t hat wr ot e t he Const i t ut i on
19 woul d have t hought t hat i t woul d have
20 come t o t hi s, t hi s pr obabl y woul d have
21 been wr i t t en i nt o t he Second Amendment .
22 And some peopl e don' t have t he
23 l uxur y of owni ng mul t i pl e guns. I do.
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1 up t her e.
2 J ust af t er t he meet i ng here - - i n
3 Mont gomer y i n Febr uar y, t her e was an
4 ar t i cl e t hat came out i n t he Decat ur
5 Dai l y on Febr uar y 10t h whi ch I woul d
6 l i ke t o make a f ew quot es out of , i f I
7 coul d.
8 Thi s i s f rom Dr . Char l es Borden f rom
9 Moul t on, Al abama. He says, al ong many
10 of the creeks, i t of t en l ooks l i ke a
11 t i l l er has been t hr ough t he ar ea f or
12 per haps a hundr ed yar ds. Dr . Bor den i s
13 a sevent h- gener at i on f ami l y member who
14 l i ves i n t he Bankhead, and he says
15 t hey' re destr oyi ng a l ot of our nat i ve
16 veget at i on and cont r i but e t o soi l
17 er osi on.
18 And I al so have a quot e her e f r om
19 Ms. Al l i son Cochr an, whi ch i s t he
20 bi ol ogi st t her e on t he Bankhead
21 di st r i ct . She says, thei r popul at i ons
22 i n t he Bankhead ar e i ncr easi ng r api dl y,
23 and we need hel p bef or e t he pr obl em get s
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1 any wor se. And t hat was Al l i son of
2 t he - - t he bi ol ogi st wi t h t he Nat i onal
3 For est Ser vi ce t her e.
4 And I have a quot e her e f r om Mr . Ron
5 Eaks, whi ch i s the bi ol ogi st i n that
6 di st r i ct . He i s our di st r i ct
7 bi ol ogi st . And, you know, he says t hat ,
8 of cour se, t he pi gs ar e not aggr essi ve
9 t owar d peopl e but wi l l eat anyt hi ng t hat
10 doesn' t eat t hem, i ncl udi ng pl ant s and
11 ot her ani mal s. He says, t hey r oot up
12 t he f i el ds, nat i ve pl ant s, t he whol e
13 ni ne yar ds. And he says, any ani mal
14 t hey run i nt o, such as nest i ng bi rds, i f
15 t he hen i s cr azy enough t o s i t t her e,
16 t hey wi l l eat her and her eggs. And I
17 don' t know how many of y' al l know
18 Mr . Ron, but he' s a bi g t ur key hunt er .
19 And I t al ked wi t h hi m t hi s week, mat t er
20 of f act .
21 And I al so got a quot e her e f r om
22 Mr . Bar r y Bai r d t hat says t hat hunt er s
23 have not ki l l ed enough wi l d hogs t o
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1 j ust i f y addi ng any number of days t o t he
2 hunt i ng season, whi ch t hat t el l s me t hat
3 t here' s got t o be ot her al t ernat i ves
4 t hat we can use t o cont r ol t hese pi gs.
5 And I bel i eve I addr essed ever y one
6 of y' al l on the board by l et ter af ter
7 t he Febr uar y meet i ng stat i ng what I f el t
8 l i ke needed t o be done, you know, on
9 some of t he - - al l ow dogs. I t al ked
10 wi t h Mr . Moody t hi s mor ni ng. And I
11 want ed t o ver i f y - - somet hi ng t hat had
12 been br ought t o me was t he f act t hat you
13 can go i n t her e dur i ng squi r r el season,
14 r abbi t season - - what ever smal l game i s
15 i n t her e, you ar e al l owed t o hunt t hem
16 wi t h dogs, whet her i t be squi r r el ,
17 r abbi t s, dur i ng - - i n t he WMA and - - but
18 t he pi gs ar e not al l owed t o be hunt ed
19 wi t h dogs. I t hi nk t hat ' s goi ng t o be
20 one of t he st r ongest asset s t hat we' r e
21 goi ng t o have. Because I used t o hunt
22 dogs f or years. I ' ve had rabbi t dogs,
23 squi r r el dogs, and deer dogs. The dogs
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1 wi l l f i nd t hose hogs.
2 The hogs have become educat ed. And,
3 you know, I ' ve t al ked t o a l ot of
4 hunt er s i n t he l ast f ew mont hs. They' r e
5 seei ng t he si gns, but t hey' r e not seei ng
6 t he hogs. And, you know, t hese pi gs ar e
7 get t i ng educated.
8 And, al so, one ot her qui ck t hi ng. I
9 t al ked wi th the f orest - - act i ng f orest
10 super vi sor f or t he St at e of Al abama,
11 Ms. Ter i Cl eel and, at t he Mont gomer y
12 of f i ce. And she t ol d me t hat she i s
13 mor e t han wi l l i ng t o l ook i nt o some of
14 t he game l aw changes t o addr ess t hi s
15 i ssue and she i s mor e t han wi l l i ng t o
16 si t down at t he t abl e wi t h some of her
17 bi ol ogi sts f rom t he Forest Servi ce and
18 maybe addr ess some of t he boar d or some
19 of t he conser vat i on - - Mr . Moody or
20 whoever , and si t down at a t abl e
21 di scussi on and see what we can do about
22 t hi s mat t er .
23 So, you know, I want t o say t hi s,
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1 t hat i f y' al l don' t r emember anyt hi ng
2 I ' ve sai d t oday, t hat , you know, I want
3 t o see somet hi ng done about t hi s
4 s i t uat i on. They' re dest royi ng our
5 f orest s . And I ' m not goi ng away. Y' al l
6 wi l l see me agai n. I mean, I ' l l be at
7 t he next meet i ng. And I ' m goi ng t o get
8 up and I ' m goi ng t o speak about t he hogs
9 at the next meet i ng.
10 I t hank y' al l f or your t i me.
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much.
12 Al l r i ght . The next order of
13 busi ness i s ol d busi ness. I ' l l st ar t
14 wi t h t he i ssues t hat I show f rom t he
15 l ast meet i ng.
16 I ' d l i ke f or someone f rom Wi l dl i f e
17 and Fr eshwat er Fi sher i es t o r un back
18 down t he l i st of what ' s bei ng pr oposed
19 t o be appr oved t oday.
20 Mr . Har der s.
21 MR. HARDERS: I bel i eve seasons and bag l i mi t s
22 may be f i r st .
23 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes. And I t hi nk we' l l - -
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1 Mr . Dean, we can appr ove t hese as a
2 l ump, al l of t hei r i t ems?
3 MR. DEAN: That ' s cor r ect .
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Go ahead. We' l l
5 pr esent t hem al l .
6 MR. HARDERS: Okay. Seasons and bag l i mi t s.
7 We have no changes t o what we
8 r ecommended t he l ast t i me and seek
9 appr oval of what we submi t t ed.
10 The dove and duck opt i ons f or zones
11 and spl i t s. J ust a r emi nder , we need
12 boar d appr oval . We have t o l et t he Fi sh
13 and Wi l dl i f e Servi ce know af t er t hi s
14 meet i ng what Al abama' s r ecommendat i ons
15 ar e goi ng t o be. And, agai n, what we
16 have now, what we' ve r ecommended, gi ves
17 us t he best opt i on no mat t er what t he
18 dat es ar e chosen f or t he seasons. So
19 t hat ' s t he wi dest r ange of opt i ons we
20 have now.
21 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay.
22 MR. HARDERS: And t he l ast t wo - - t he l ast
23 t wo - - t he l ast meet i ng, t he l ast t wo
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1 r egul at i ons, t he hunt er orange
2 r equi r ement s and t he cl ar i f i cat i on on
3 devi ces on bows. That was t he ot her
4 i ssue.
5 Consumer pr i ce i ndex adj ust ment on
6 t he hunt i ng and f i shi ng l i cense. We
7 present ed l ast t i me t he resul t s of t hat
8 and r ecommend your appr oval on what we
9 submi t t ed.
10 And I bel i eve t hat ' s al l we have.
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay, Mr . Har der s. Thank
12 you.
13 I s t here any conver sat i on f rom t he
14 boar d on any of t hese si x i t ems?
15 MR. STRI CKLAND: Mr . Chai r man.
16 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Dr . St r i ckl and.
17 MR. STRI CKLAND: Yes. Coul d I addr ess one
18 i ssue and, par t i cul ar l y, af t er hear i ng
19 Mr . Year gan' s di scussi on and t he
20 posi t i on stance on l aser r ange f i nder s
21 on a bow and ar r ow?
22 I t hi nk t he cur r ent regul at i on wi l l
23 make l aser r ange f i nder s i l l egal on bow
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1 and ar r ow i n t he st at e of Al abama.
2 MR. HARDERS: I t cl ar i f i es t hat t hey al r eady
3 ar e i l l egal , i f I ' m get t i ng t hat r i ght .
4 MR. STRI CKLAND: I f I may, Mr . Chai r man, may
5 I make a mot i on at t hi s t i me?
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes, si r .
7 MR. STRI CKLAND: May I make a mot i on t o amend
8 or revi se t he cur r ent regul at i on t hat
9 wi l l no l onger make bow- at t ached l aser
10 range f i nders i l l egal i n the st ate of
11 Al abama, agai n, part i cul ar l y af t er
12 hear i ng t he st at ement of t he ABA?
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: There i s a mot i on t o make
14 bow- mount ed r ange f i nder s l egal on
15 bows. I s t her e a second?
16 MR. HATLEY: Second.
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Hat l ey.
18 Al l di scussi on.
19 Any di scussi on, Mr . Har der s?
20 ( No r esponse. )
21 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Members of t he Boar d, any
22 ot her di scussi on?
23 ( No r esponse. )
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. There i s a mot i on
2 t o be vot ed on, agai n, t o make r ange
3 f i nder s on bows l egal .
4 Mr . Dean, you' l l work out t he
5 appr opr i at e l anguage whi chever way i t
6 goes, I suggest .
7 Al l t hose i n f avor rai se your hand.
8 ( Al l boar d member s r ai se hands. )
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Let i t be
10 r ecogni zed - - and I have t o go down
11 t hrough and l i s t each one.
12 Mr . Raymond J ones i s f or .
13 Dr . Warr en St r i ckl and i s f or . Mr . Grant
14 Lynch i s f or . Mr . Brock J ones i s f or .
15 Mr . Grady Har t zog i s f or . Mr . Bi l l
16 Hat l ey i s f or . Mr . J oey Dobbs i s f or .
17 Dr . Bob Shi pp i s f or .
18 The t wo opposed - - oh, bot h ar e
19 f or .
20 Okay. Let i t be shown t hat t he vot e
21 i s total of the board f or . Mot i on
22 car r i es.
23 Okay. Commi ssi oner Guy.
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1 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Dr . St r i ckl and, so ar e you
2 j ust aski ng that - - and I know i t ' s
3 passed, but you' re aski ng - - j ust so our
4 f ol ks ar e cl ear and under stand, you' r e
5 sayi ng r ange f i nder s on bows i s what - -
6 what you ar e want i ng t o make sur e i s - -
7 MR. STRI CKLAND: Yeah. Speci f i cal l y l aser
8 r ange f i nder s onl y. I t hi nk Mr . Year gan
9 el oquent l y pr esent ed t he posi t i on
10 st at ement of t he ABA t hat di sal l owed or
11 woul d not l i ke t o see l aser - proj ect ed
12 devi ces on bows. Range f i nder s onl y.
13 Does t hat answer your quest i on?
14 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: To cl ar i f y, I t hi nk what
15 t he Commi ssi oner i s sayi ng i s, you don' t
16 want anyt hi ng t hat ' s goi ng t o pr oj ect
17 and show a l i ght down f i el d, but t o r ead
18 a - - somet hi ng t hat ' s i nvi si bl e t o gi ve
19 you a comput at i on of yar dage, t hat i s
20 per mi ssi bl e. I s t hat what you' r e aski ng
21 f or , Dr . St r i ckl and?
22 MR. STRI CKLAND: That ' s cor r ect , Mr . Chai r man.
23 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Any ot her
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1 di scussi on?
2 Mr . Dobbs.
3 MR. DOBBS: For cl ar i f i cat i on f or me on t he
4 dove season, t he spl i t s f or t he dove
5 season - - or r at her t he nor t h and sout h
6 zoni ng, as I r ead t hr ough t hese mi nut es
7 and as I l ooked at t he r ecommendat i ons
8 or t he wi shes t hat you have r epor t ed f or
9 t he f eds , t he U. S. Fi sh and Wi l dl i f e
10 Ser vi ce, t hey have r ecommended or woul d
11 l i ke t o see one season, not a - - not
12 spl i t zones. Am I cor r ect i n what I
13 r ead?
14 MR. HARDERS: They al l ow us t o choose t o have
15 t wo zones f or doves. Based on our i nput
16 f r om t he past f r om hunt er s, t hey woul d
17 r at her see us have t wo zones. So t hat ' s
18 what we woul d r ecommend.
19 MR. DOBBS: But t he U. S. Fi sh and Wi l dl i f e
20 Ser vi ce, of cour se, t hey gi ve us t he
21 opt i on of t hat . But I di d read
22 somewher e wher e t hey sai d t hey woul d
23 l i ke t o see one - - one season. Am I
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1 wr ong? Di d I mi sread t hat ?
2 MR. HARDERS: They may - - Davi d, i s t hat - -
3 t hey may pref er t hat f or t hei r
4 pr ef er ence, but t hat ' s not what we nor
5 our hunt er s pr ef er . And t hey gi ve us
6 t he opt i on t o have t wo.
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Can y' al l cl ar i f y t hat a
8 l i t t l e more? I s t hat cor r ect , Davi d?
9 J ust so t he boar d has f ul l
10 under st andi ng of what t hey' ve asked
11 and - -
12 MR. HARDERS: Yeah. Maybe Davi d Hayden.
13 MR. HAYDEN: From t he st andpoi nt of t he Fi sh
14 and Wi l dl i f e Servi ce, anal yzi ng al l t he
15 dat a and so f or t h t hat ' s col l ect ed ever y
16 year - - f rom t hei r st andpoi nt , anal yzi ng
17 t hat dat a wi t h one zone per st at e i s
18 easi er t han anal yzi ng i t f rom mul t i pl e
19 zones i n the state. So f or them i t
20 woul d be easi er t o anal yze i t f or one
21 zone. However , t hey do al l ow t wo
22 zones.
23 MR. DOBBS: Agai n, woul d you cl ar i f y f or me,
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1 t hen, as I r ead, why t he t wo zones? I s
2 i t because of t he t op- sown wheat , t he
3 pl ant i ng dates, j ust f or me?
4 MR. HAYDEN: The zones ar e al l owed so t hat t he
5 hunt er s wi t hi n t he stat e ar e of f er ed t he
6 best oppor t uni t y t o har vest t he bi r ds
7 whi l e t hey' r e t her e. So i f you have a
8 l ong stat e l i ke Al abama or Mi ssi ssi ppi
9 or I l l i noi s , wherever i t may be, havi ng
10 t wo zones al l ows you t o put days i n
11 nor t h and sout h, f or exampl e, t hat i s
12 advant ageous f or t he hunt er s.
13 MR. DOBBS: Assumi ng t hat t hese ar e mi gr at or y
14 bi r ds and t hey' r e comi ng down f r om nor t h
15 t o sout h, t he sout h woul d get t hem l at er
16 on i n t he year . That ' s why t he season
17 i n t he sout her n zone begi ns l at er i n t he
18 year ?
19 MR. HAYDEN: Yes, si r . That ' s t he gener al
20 f eel i ngs of - - bot h of t he hunt ers , t he
21 publ i c, and t he desi r e t hat we have
22 f ound of t he hunt er s of Al abama.
23 MR. DOBBS: Okay. I j ust - - t hi s i s somet hi ng
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1 t hat I want t o br i ng up t o di scuss and
2 cont i nue t o di scuss t hi s.
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Di d t hat expl ai n i t enough
4 f or you, Mr . Dobbs?
5 MR. DOBBS: Yes, i t di d.
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay.
7 MR. DOBBS: Thank you ver y much.
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any ot her di scussi on?
9 MR. HARTZOG: Gar y.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Har t zog.
11 MR. MOODY: Yes.
12 MR. HARTZOG: Gar y, I t hi nk at t he l ast
13 meet i ng or maybe t he meet i ng bef or e we
14 t al ked about dur i ng t he st al k season of
15 deer t hat buckshot was excl uded. And we
16 t al ked about ki ds and al l t hat mi ght be
17 usi ng buckshot dur i ng st al k hunt i ng and
18 the possi bi l i t y of r ei nstat i ng - - you
19 know, not pr ohi bi t i ng buckshot dur i ng
20 stal k hunt i ng. I s t her e any . . .
21 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Moody, do you have any
22 r epor t ?
23 MR. MOODY: No. I don' t even r emember t he
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1 di scussi on, Gr ady. I ' m s or r y.
2 MR. HARTZOG: Somebody got up and spoke, and
3 t hey t al ked about t he buckshot . And
4 t hen I br ought i t up and asked, because
5 especi al l y wi t h ki ds shoot i ng, you know,
6 not necessar i l y a hi gh- power ed r i f l e,
7 not havi ng t he buckshot .
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Coul d y' al l l ook at t hat
9 and r epor t on t hat at t he next meet i ng,
10 Mr . Moody?
11 MR. MOODY: Be gl ad t o.
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I s t hat al l r i ght ,
13 Mr . Har t zog?
14 MR. HARTZOG: Okay.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l r i ght . Mr . J ones,
16 Raymond J ones.
17 MR. RAYMOND J ONES: J ust t o cl ar i f y, t he spl i t
18 zones of t he dove season gi ves us t he
19 great est - - gi ves t he hunt er s of t he
20 st at e of Al abama t he gr eat est degr ee of
21 f l exi bi l i t y?
22 MR. HARDERS: That i s cor r ect.
23 MR. RAYMOND J ONES: Al l r i ght . Thank you.
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any ot her di scussi on?
2 ( No r esponse. )
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. As a package, t hi s
4 whol e package, can I get a mot i on t o
5 appr ove wi t h t he amendment made t o i t ?
6 MR. LYNCH: So made.
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We' ve got - - I have a
8 mot i on. Do I have a second?
9 MR. RAYMOND J ONES: Second.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I have a second.
11 The mot i on i s t hat we appr ove al l
12 t he Wi l dl i f e and Freshwat er Fi sher i es '
13 r ecommendat i ons wi t h t he amendment t hat
14 Mr . Dean wi l l make t o t he r ange f i nder .
15 Al l t hose i n f avor ?
16 ( Al l boar d member s r ai se hands. )
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l opposed?
18 ( No r esponse. )
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Let t he r ecor d show al l
20 af f i r med i t . Thank you ver y much.
21 Mr . Har der s, go ahead.
22 MR. HARDERS: Under ol d busi ness we had some
23 ot her i t ems, but - -
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I ' m goi ng t o cal l on y' al l
2 i n j ust a mi nut e.
3 MR. HARDERS: Okay.
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Ver y good. Okay. Next ,
5 i f I can get Mr . Bl ankenshi p f r om Mar i ne
6 Resour ces.
7 MR. BLANKENSHI P: The onl y i t em t hat we had i n
8 ol d busi ness f r om t he l ast meet i ng was
9 f or appr oval f or t he Sal t wat er Angl er
10 Regi s t ry regul at i on. And I t hi nk
11 Dr . Shi pp may have a mot i on t o t hat
12 ef f ect .
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Dr . Shi pp.
14 MR. SHI PP: Yes, si r . Mr . Chai r man, I make a
15 mot i on t hat t he pr oposed r egul at i on
16 concer ni ng t he Sal t wat er Angl er Regi st r y
17 t hat was pr esent ed by t he Mar i ne
18 Resour ces Di vi son at t he Febr uar y 5t h,
19 2011, Conser vat i on Advi sor y Boar d
20 Meet i ng be appr oved by t he Conser vat i on
21 Advi sory Board.
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I s t her e a second?
23 MR. HATLEY: Second.
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We have a mot i on and a
2 second, t he mot i on bei ng t hat t he
3 Sal t wat er Angl er Regi str y r egul at i on be
4 appr oved as pr esent ed bef or e. I s t her e
5 any di scussi on?
6 ( No r esponse. )
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Bei ng no di scussi on, t he
8 mot i on t o be vot ed on i s t he Sal t wat er
9 Angl er Regi st r y r egul at i on as pr esent ed
10 bef or e. Al l t hose i n f avor , a show of
11 hands.
12 ( Al l boar d member s r ai se hands. )
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l opposed?
14 ( No r esponse. )
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Let t he r ecor d show al l
16 af f i rmat i ve t o pass. Mot i on car r i es.
17 Thank you ver y much,
18 Mr . Bl ankenshi p.
19 The next i t em of ol d busi ness i s t he
20 wi r e basket pr ovi s i on. Mr . Har t zog.
21 MR. HARTZOG: Yes, si r . Davi d and I wor ked i t
22 out because we had a f ew l i t t l e
23 compl i cat i ons because of t he t wo
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1 i mpoundment s t hat went out si de of my
2 di str i ct . And Davi d had t o r ewor k t he
3 mot i on and I t hi nk has f or war ded i t t o
4 ever ybody. So I ' d l i ke t o make a mot i on
5 t hat wi r e basket s be appr oved f or my
6 Congr essi onal Di st r i ct 2 excl udi ng t he
7 ar eas t hat Davi d def i ned i n t he t wo
8 publ i c l akes.
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Redef i ned as per
10 Mr . Dean - -
11 MR. HARTZOG: Ri ght .
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: - - i s t he mot i on. I s
13 t here a second?
14 MR. RAYMOND J ONES: Second.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: We have a mot i on and a
16 second. Any di scussi on?
17 ( No r esponse. )
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Har t zog, do you f eel
19 i t ' s necessar y f or Mr . Dean t o di scuss
20 t hose changes t o i t , or i s t he boar d
21 comf or t abl e wi t h t hat ?
22 MR. HARTZOG: I t hi nk t he boar d may be
23 comf or t abl e wi t h t hat .
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. The mot i on t o be
2 vot ed on i s t he wi r e basket pr ovi s i on
3 wi th cl ar i f i cat i on f r om Mr . Dean. Al l
4 t hose i n f avor ?
5 ( Al l boar d member s r ai se hands. )
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l opposed?
7 ( No r esponse. )
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Let t he r ecor d show al l
9 af f i r mat i ve. Mot i on car r i es.
10 The next i t em of ol d busi ness i s we
11 have a Febr uar y r ut season bi ol ogi st
12 r epor t . Mr . Moody. Mr . Chr i s Cook.
13 Woul d you l i ke t o br i ef t he boar d on
14 t hat , pl ease, si r .
15 And I ' d l i ke t o say I got a very
16 good r epor t on Mr . Cook. Mr . Cook i s
17 cur r ent l y conduct i ng a f et us st udy. And
18 some of t he l andowner s i nvol ved gave
19 ver y, ver y hi gh mar ks on Mr . Cook,
20 Commi ssi oner , and what a good j ob he was
21 doi ng.
22 MR. COOK: I ' m Chr i s Cook wi t h t he Di vi si on of
23 Wi l dl i f e and Freshwat er Fi sher i es.
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1 I t hi nk each of y' al l have been
2 pr esent ed wi t h a r epor t summar i zi ng t he
3 dat a t he Wi l dl i f e sect i on has col l ect ed
4 concer ni ng r ut dat es, concept i on dat es,
5 i f you wi l l , ar ound the st ate. Thi s i s
6 somet hi ng we' ve been wor ki ng on si nce
7 1995. Real l y stepped i t up l ast year .
8 Col l ect ed f rom, I t hi nk, 28 s i t es around
9 t he st at e. So we' r e t r yi ng t o f i l l i n
10 some gaps we have i n our dat a, t r yi ng t o
11 get a cl ear er pi ct ur e of what ' s goi ng on
12 concer ni ng r ut dat es and what not .
13 The r epor t i n t he back has a summar y
14 of dat a we col l ect ed. That has i t
15 br oken down by a summar y f or al l t he
16 year s t aken f r om each ar ea and t hen a
17 year - by- year br eakdown f r om t he ar eas we
18 have mor e t han one year of dat a. Al so
19 i n t hat r epor t i s some i t ems t o - - we
20 woul d l i ke f or you t o consi der when
21 you' r e r evi ewi ng t he dat a, j ust some
22 t hi ngs t o keep i n mi nd, such as sampl e
23 s i ze f rom some of t he s i t es, regar di ng
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1 t he number of year s t he dat a has been
2 t aken f r om t hat s i t e or t he number of
3 year s i t was t aken dur i ng t he
4 col l ect i ons, and some ot her t hi ngs
5 regardi ng t he var i at i on f rom year t o
6 year t hat we' ve seen on si t es t hat we' ve
7 col l ect ed mul t i pl e year s of dat a and
8 j ust several ot her i ssues rel at ed t o t he
9 dat a.
10 Have y' al l - - I don' t know i f y' al l
11 have had t i me t o r evi ew i t .
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Cook, you' r e doi ng a
13 great j ob on t hi s . I want t o be very
14 cl ear on t hi s. I t ' s a ver y
15 cont rovers i al i ssue. I t ' s goi ng t o be a
16 ver y ongoi ng i ssue. Now woul d be a
17 gr eat t i me t o ask any ot her quest i ons of
18 Mr . Cook of t hi s i ssue.
19 Ri ght now t her e' s ongoi ng f et us
20 st udi es t hat we have past dat a t o - - how
21 many year s back, Mr . Cook?
22 MR. COOK: We have dat a t hat I ' ve act i vel y
23 been par t i ci pat i ng i n si nce ' 95.
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Compar abl e dat a t o see - -
2 and cor r ect me i f I mi sstate i t - - that
3 we wi l l be abl e t o see what has happened
4 s i nce t hat previ ous t i me and wi l l gi ve
5 us mor e concl usi ve advi ce on how t o
6 manage t he season or about t he season.
7 Any ot her quest i ons f r om t he boar d
8 f or Mr . Cook?
9 ( No r esponse. )
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Thank you,
11 Mr . Cook.
12 Okay. Mr . J ones. Mr . Br ock J ones.
13 MR. BROCK J ONES: Chr i s, f r om what I gat her i n
14 t he s tudy at t hi s poi nt i n t i me, t he
15 r ange of t he r ut f rom t he studi es t hat
16 have been conduct ed so f ar i s basi cal l y
17 December t o Febr uar y. I s t hat pr et t y
18 much what you - -
19 MR. COOK: I t r anges - - t her e' s - - t her e' s a
20 coupl e of i sol at ed popul at i ons t hat
21 actual l y have mean concept i on dat es i n
22 l at e November , Bankhead Nat i onal For est
23 bei ng t he pr i mar y one, al l t he way t o - -
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1 a f ew si t es t hi s past year di d have mean
2 concept i on dat es i n t he f i r st f ew days
3 of February. A l ot of t hose si tes, t hat
4 was t he f i r st year we' ve col l ect ed dat a
5 f rom t hose s i t es. So we' re want i ng t o
6 cont i nue col l ect i ng dat a - - you know,
7 t hree t o f i ve year s woul d be
8 pref er r ed - - j ust to t r y to account f or
9 any var i at i on t hat we' re l i abl e t o see.
10 One of t he si t es we' ve col l ect ed a
11 bunch of dat a f r om, Bar bour WMA, j ust
12 f or your i nf or mat i on, t hi s past year we
13 had t he l at est dat e t hat we' ve had down
14 t her e - - l at est aver age dat e. So we
15 don' t - - don' t know i f t hat was
16 somet hi ng t hat was across t he - - you
17 know, a br oad r egi on of t he stat e or i f
18 t hat ' s j ust a - - somet hi ng at Barbour .
19 So col l ect i ng more dat a wi l l cl ear a l ot
20 of t hat up.
21 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . J ones, any f ur t her
22 quest i ons?
23 MR. BROCK J ONES: Of cour se, we obvi ousl y have
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1 opposi t i on f r om t he smal l game hunt er s
2 f or t he ext ensi on. But f rom a
3 bi ol ogi cal st andpoi nt , i f i t ' s deci ded
4 t hat t her e i s enough ext ensi ve r ut i nt o
5 February and you' r e shi f t i ng t hi ngs,
6 what i s t he pot ent i al negat i ve of
7 shi f t i ng t he season t o mi d Febr uar y
8 and - -
9 MR. COOK: A l ot of t hi ngs wer e addr essed i n
10 Dr . Di t chkof f ' s l et t er . You know, t he
11 i mpact i t ' s goi ng t o have on what was - -
12 t he pr ogr ess t hat was - - appear s t o be
13 bei ng made wi t h t he t hr ee- buck l i mi t as
14 f ar as r educi ng t he number of bucks
15 bei ng ki l l ed. You know, ext endi ng i nt o
16 Febr uar y, you' r e not onl y maki ng t hem
17 mor e suscept i bl e due t o some of t he
18 r ut t i ng act i vi t i es and put t i ng mor e
19 str ess on t hem, but you' re al so - -
20 you' r e hunt i ng i nt o a t i me when f ood
21 sources are at t hei r - - get t i ng t o t hei r
22 l owest poi nt dur i ng t he year . So you' r e
23 compoundi ng t hi ngs by doi ng t hat .
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1 So j ust - - you know, even i f you
2 t ake some of f t he f r ont end, you know,
3 i t ' s t aken of f an equal t wo- week por t i on
4 at t he f r ont end or maybe even t hr ee
5 weeks, pr obabl y i s not compar abl e t o
6 addi ng t wo weeks at t he end as f ar as
7 t he i mpact i t ' s goi ng t o have on t he
8 resource. A l ot of t hose t hi ngs are - -
9 al l need to be consi dered i f thi s i s - -
10 comes up i n t he f ut ur e.
11 MR. BROCK J ONES: So i t ' s your opi ni on t hat
12 mor e st udy needs t o be made?
13 MR. COOK: Def i ni t el y. I mean, we' ve got t o
14 l ook at al l t he angl es and al l t he
15 i ssues i nvol ved. I t ' s not bl ack and
16 whi t e and j ust dr awi ng a l i ne and sayi ng
17 t hat we' l l hunt i n Febr uar y her e and we
18 won' t her e.
19 As you' l l see i n the repor t , the
20 i nf l uence of t he st ocki ng sour ce, wher e
21 t hose deer came f r om when we r est ocked
22 t hem has a - - i s a pr i mary - - or pr i mary
23 i nf l uence on when t hey' r e r ut t i ng. Most
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1 of t he deer came f r om Cl ar ke Count y. So
2 we have deer t hat r ut i nt o l at e J anuar y,
3 you know, scat t er ed al l over t he stat e.
4 Ther e' s no cl ear l i ne. So i t r eal l y
5 cl ouds t he i ssue.
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . J ones.
7 MR. BROCK J ONES: Thank you.
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Commi ss i oner .
9 COMMI SSI ONER McMI LLAN: I woul d be i nt er est ed
10 i n havi ng a copy of t he Di t chkof f
11 l et t er , and I woul d suggest t hat maybe
12 we al l - -
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I wi l l have t hat
14 di st r i but ed at t he - - I ' l l gi ve i t t o
15 Commi ssi oner Guy, and he can di st r i but e
16 i t amongst ever yone.
17 MR. STRI CKLAND: Mr . Chai r man.
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes, si r . Dr . St r i ckl and.
19 MR. STRI CKLAND: Coul d I addr ess Chr i s?
20 Chr i s , t here' s one ot her quest i on
21 I ' d l i ke t o ask.
22 So at t hi s t i me based on, you know,
23 your r esear ch - - and I - - I may be
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1 put t i ng you on t he spot - - but woul d i t
2 be your r ecommendat i on t o l eave t he
3 season as i t i s now or t o consi der an
4 ext ensi on?
5 I t hi nk t hat ' s what we want t o
6 know.
7 MR. COOK: As i t i s r i ght now, I woul d
8 r ecommend l eavi ng i t as i t i s because
9 of , you know, t he need t o get mor e
10 data. So as i t i s r i ght now, I coul dn' t
11 wi t h a cl ear consci ence r ecommend
12 ext endi ng i t i n one ar ea over anot her or
13 any ar ea i n t he stat e r i ght now. But ,
14 you know, t hat may change. But r i ght
15 now, no, I woul dn' t r ecommend i t .
16 MR. STRI CKLAND: Thank you ver y much.
17 Excel l ent j ob.
18 MR. COOK: Thank you.
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much. Any
20 ot her quest i ons f r om t he board?
21 MR. BROCK J ONES: One l ast quest i on.
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes. Mr . J ones, Br ock
23 J ones.
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1 MR. BROCK J ONES: How much mor e t i me i s needed
2 i n your opi ni on t o come up wi t h enough
3 dat a t o make a r ecommendat i on?
4 MR. COOK: Wel l , t he t hi ng about i t i s , t hi s
5 i s - - t hi s coul d - - t her e' s a need t o
6 col l ect dat a f r om now on. Now, as we
7 get more dat a, i t ' s goi ng t o be
8 cl ear er - - t he pi ctur e i s goi ng t o
9 become cl ear er , but t her e' s al ways goi ng
10 t o be quest i ons t hat ' s goi ng t o need t o
11 be answer ed wi t h t hi s because of al l
12 t hose compoundi ng f actor s, t he st ocki ng
13 sour ce. And, you know, we have
14 popul at i ons t hat we' ve ment i oned t oday,
15 popul at i ons wi t hi n count i es t hat have
16 r ut dat es t hat may be as much as t wo
17 months di f f er ent .
18 So t ryi ng t o f i gure out t hi ngs such
19 as how bi g an ar ea of i nf l uence t hat
20 t hese ot her stocki ng sour ces have, al l
21 t hat stuf f i s somet hi ng t hat i s goi ng t o
22 be ongoi ng. But , you know, on t he - - at
23 l east on t he si t es t hat we wer e abl e t o
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1 do a l ot of col l ect i ons on i ni t i al l y
2 down i n sout hwest Al abama t hi s year , you
3 know, anot her coupl e of year s, t hi s year
4 and anot her year , wi l l s tar t t o cl ear
5 t hi ngs up.
6 So, you know, i deal l y, I woul dn' t
7 say any l ess t han t wo year s f r om now on
8 a l ot of t hi s st uf f . Now, i n some par t s
9 of t he st at e we have a pr et t y good i dea,
10 but t her e' s a l ot of areas we don' t .
11 And we st i l l need t o col l ect t he dat a.
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Cook, al l of t hi s i s
13 cur r ent l y evol vi ng and changi ng because
14 of t he t hr ee- buck l i mi t and havi ng l ess
15 bucks shot i n a year . I s t hat a corr ect
16 st at ement ?
17 MR. COOK: Wel l , i t possi bl y i s. You know,
18 t hat ' s anot her f l ui d t hi ng t hat we' re
19 goi ng t o have t o cont i nue moni t or i ng,
20 t he i mpact of t he t hr ee- buck l i mi t .
21 And, you know, I don' t know how much of
22 a broad ef f ect t hat wi l l have on
23 concept i on dat es.
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1 My f eel i ng i s i t ' s not goi ng to be
2 t hat bi g of an i nf l uence. I t may be,
3 but i t may not be. Because t hat ' s - -
4 t he i nf l uence of t he sex rat i os i s
5 r eal l y goi ng t o be di ct at ed mor e on
6 pr oper t y- by- pr oper t y basi s, based on
7 what t hat l andowner or hunt i ng cl ub i s
8 doi ng on t hat pr oper t y. And, you know,
9 t her e' s t he pr oper t y maybe i n t he past
10 t hat j ust shot any buck t hat t hey want ed
11 t o shoot and now we' r e goi ng st r i ct l y by
12 t he new r egul at i ons. You know, t hey may
13 be i mpacted. But t he pr oper t i es t hat
14 al r eady had l i mi t s i n pl ace, you know,
15 t hey wer e al r eady bei ng conser vat i ve on
16 what bucks t hey shot , i t ' s pr obabl y not
17 goi ng to af f ect them.
18 So t o say i t ' s goi ng t o be a br oad
19 across- t he- st at e i mpact, you know, we
20 don' t know. J ust have t o l ook at - -
21 cont i nue l ooki ng at t hat as wel l . So
22 i t ' s j ust - - i t ' s a never - endi ng
23 pr ocess.
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Ver y good. Any other
2 quest i ons f rom the board?
3 Yes, Mr . Dobbs.
4 MR. DOBBS: I f we coul d add mor e t ool s t o your
5 t ool chest i n t he f or m of some t ype of
6 har vest i nf or mat i on, car cass t ags or
7 anyt hi ng, t hat ' s goi ng t o hel p you?
8 MR. COOK: I t woul d def i ni t el y hel p us
9 moni t or , you know, t he i mpact s of t he
10 deer har vest . As f ar as t he concept i on
11 dat es and what not , t he onl y way t o
12 real l y get t hat ki nd of i nf ormat i on i s
13 t hr ough what we' r e doi ng now, you know,
14 and i t woul dn' t be i nf l uenced by car cass
15 t ags or anythi ng.
16 But t hose ot her t hi ngs, you know,
17 al l t hat can add t o - - you know, t he
18 dat a t hat coul d be col l ect ed by t hese
19 ot her met hods woul d add t o our knowl edge
20 of what ' s goi ng on and hel p us st ay
21 pr obabl y bet t er i nf or med of t he
22 condi t i on of t he deer acr oss t he stat e
23 and - -
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1 MR. DOBBS: I t woul d hel p you as wel l even
2 segment t hat i nf or mat i on by uni t s or
3 di vi si ons or however you want ed t o do
4 i t ?
5 MR. COOK: Ri ght . I t def i ni t el y woul d gi ve
6 you a bet t er i dea t han what - - t he
7 i nf or mat i on we have now.
8 MR. DOBBS: Thank you.
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any ot her quest i ons?
10 ( No r esponse. )
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Cook, t hank you ver y
12 much f or your report .
13 The next or der of ol d busi ness i s
14 dog deer days st agger ed at WMAs.
15 Mr . Moody.
16 MR. MOODY: Basi cal l y what I sai d ear l i er . I
17 coul d r ei t er at e i t .
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: J ust r ei t er at e i t so - -
19 MR. MOODY: Yeah, I ' l l be gl ad t o.
20 You know, j ust t o r est at e what we
21 want t o do, t her e' s some l andowner
22 expect at i ons on some of t he l and t hat we
23 manage t o keep t hi ngs wi t hi n a cer t ai n
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1 l i mi t and not causi ng pr obl ems f or t hei r
2 nei ghbor s. And so t hat ' s one r eason
3 some of t he season dat es ar e set t he
4 same. But we ar e l ooki ng now t o see how
5 we can adj ust t hat or add dat es or move
6 some dat es ar ound wi t hout i ncreasi ng
7 conf l i ct s f or nei ghbors around t he
8 management ar eas.
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you. Any other
10 quest i ons f rom t he board?
11 ( No r esponse. )
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Moody.
13 The next i t em i s t he proper t y l i nes
14 as a saf et y i ssue. Mr . Andr ess i ssued a
15 l et t er t o t he boar d. I t hi nk al l t he
16 boar d got i t and saw t he i t ems he
17 l i st ed.
18 Commi ssi oner , I ' d l i ke t o ask you,
19 woul d you assume t o f ur t her l ook i nt o
20 t hi s as a saf et y i ssue, concern f r om a
21 saf et y standpoi nt ? Woul d t hat be f ai r ?
22 COMMI SSI ONER GUY: Absol ut el y.
23 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Very good. Okay. Any
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1 other ol d busi ness?
2 Okay. The next or der of busi ness i s
3 new busi ness. I ' l l st ar t wi t h Wi l dl i f e
4 and Fr eshwat er Fi sher i es on open
5 t r appi ng season f or f ur bear er s and t he
6 r est of t hat gr oupi ng.
7 MR. ANDRESS: Yeah. You shoul d have bef or e
8 you a - - i f you don' t mi nd, I ' l l st ar t
9 wi t h t he nongame r egul at i ons. Wi l l t hat
10 be al l r i ght ?
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes.
12 MR. ANDRESS: Do you have t hat ?
13 I t seeks t o add a number of speci es
14 t o t he nongame wi l dl i f e pr ot ect i on
15 r egul at i on. Unl ess you have any
16 speci f i c quest i ons about any speci f i c
17 speci es, I ' l l j ust move al ong.
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. J ust move al ong.
19 We' l l es tabl i sh t hi s as a group, al so,
20 and t he next meet i ng we' l l vot e on t hi s
21 as a gr oup al so.
22 MR. ANDRESS: Okay. And t he bi ggest t hi ng
23 you' l l see i n t her e i s on t owar d t he
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1 end. Ther e' s a subst ant i al amount of
2 l anguage t hat has been r emoved, and t hat
3 l anguage was - - deal t wi t h t he har vest
4 of t ur t l es - - l egal har vest of t ur t l es.
5 And t hat l anguage was i ncor por at ed i nt o
6 and consol i dat ed wi t h t he Tur t l e
7 Cat cher / Deal er / Far mer r egul at i on, whi ch
8 you al so have. And t hat ' s t he
9 subst ant i al amendment t o t hat
10 r egul at i on. And t hen we si mpl y
11 consol i dat ed t hat l anguage i nt o an
12 exi st i ng regul at i on t hat al r eady deal t
13 wi th l egal t ur t l e har vest .
14 Any quest i ons about t hat ?
15 ( No r esponse. )
16 MR. ANDRESS: The next r egul at i on - - pai r of
17 r egul at i ons have t o do wi t h t he
18 desi gnat i on of f ur bear er s and wi t h t he
19 t r appi ng season. What t hi s one does i s
20 r emove t he spot t ed skunk or ci vet cat
21 f r om that l i st . I t had been i dent i f i ed
22 as a speci es of speci al concer n, and i t s
23 number s i n Al abama ar e consi der ed t o be
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1 ext r emel y l ow now. And so t hat was
2 r emoved f rom t he f urbear er l i s t and f rom
3 t he t r appi ng season t o af f or d i t some
4 pr ot ect i on.
5 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Who i dent i f i ed t hat ,
6 Mr . Andr ess?
7 MR. ANDRESS: I t hi nk i t was i dent i f i ed by t he
8 Fi sh and Wi l dl i f e Servi ce and by - -
9 per haps I may have t o r ef er t o Gar y t o
10 i dent i f y t hat exact . . .
11 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: And t hat ' s basi cal l y
12 what ' s cal l ed a pol ecat , Mr . Moody?
13 MR. MOODY: Yeah. That ' s been a l ong- st andi ng
14 i ssue. And i t was i dent i f i ed f i r s t i n
15 our nongame symposi um back sever al year s
16 ago, and we' ve cont i nued t o l ook at i t .
17 One of t he r esear cher s wi t h Aubur n i s
18 doi ng some wor k on t hat . And, qui t e
19 t rut hf ul l y, he can' t even f i nd one t o
20 t r ai n t he dogs on t he scat and scent and
21 stuf f . I mean, t hey' re j ust very, very
22 r ar e. So I doubt many of t hem ar e bei ng
23 caught by t r apper s j ust because t hey' r e
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1 not t her e. But i t j ust af f or ds t hem
2 pr ot ect i on.
3 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Ver y good. Al l
4 r i ght , Mr . Andr ess.
5 Okay. Any ot her quest i ons on t hose
6 f our i t ems f rom the board?
7 ( No r esponse. )
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any other new busi ness
9 f r om t he boar d?
10 Dr . Shi pp.
11 MR. SHI PP: Yeah. I have been cont act ed by
12 t he mayor s of Or ange Beach and Gul f
13 Shor es. And t hey have r equest ed t hat we
14 consi der removi ng gi l l net s f rom t he
15 f r ont beaches. I t ' s a ver y compl i cat ed
16 i ssue. And what I ' d l i ke i s f or Chr i s
17 Bl ankenshi p, as a star t er , t o descr i be
18 what t he cur r ent r egul at i ons ar e, and
19 t hen I t hi nk we open f or di scussi on and
20 t hen per haps at t he next meet i ng as wel l
21 i nvi t e some mor e publ i c t est i mony.
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Bl ankenshi p.
23 MR. BLANKENSHI P: The gi l l - net f i sher y i s our
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1 most hi ghl y r egul at ed f i sher y t hat we
2 have i n t he Mar i ne Resour ces Di vi si on,
3 and t he r egul at i ons t hat we have come
4 about af t er several - - mul t i pl e years of
5 wor k t hat was done si nce t he ear l y
6 ' 90s.
7 Cur r ent l y on t he beaches t hat
8 Dr . Shi pp i s t al ki ng about , t hose areas
9 are - - gi l l nets can' t be used i n the
10 Gul f or even possessed i n t he Gul f at
11 al l on weekends f r om Mar ch 15t h t hr ough
12 Labor Day. So t hey' r e cl osed al t oget her
13 on t he weekends. They can onl y be used
14 ni ght t i me hour s onl y f r om Mar ch 15t h
15 t hr ough May 15t h, so - - and t hen f r om
16 May 15t h t hr ough Oct ober 2nd i n t he ar ea
17 f r om Ol d Lagoon Pass, whi ch woul d be t he
18 ar ea of Gul f Shor es and Or ange Beach.
19 So f r om May 15t h t hr ough Oct ober 2nd
20 t hey' r e cl osed al t oget her f or t he use of
21 gi l l net s i n t hat ar ea.
22 So t hey are al ready hi ghl y
23 r estr i ct ed. The onl y t i mes t hat t hey' re
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1 al l owed f or use i n the Gul f
2 Shor es/ Or ange Beach ar ea i s ni ght t i me
3 onl y Mar ch 15t h t o May 15t h and t hen
4 f r om Oct ober 2nd t hr ough t he r est of t he
5 year i s t he onl y t i me t hat t hey' re
6 al l owed t o use t hem.
7 Or j ust as an i nf or mat i onal not e, we
8 have - - used t o have a gi l l - net f i shery
9 wi t h about 500 f i sher men t hat had
10 l i censes t hrough l egi sl at i on i n t he
11 ear l y ' 90s and t hen r ecent l y compl et ed a
12 gi l l - net buyout pr ogr am. That number i s
13 down t o 86 f i sher men. Onl y about 70 of
14 t hose act ual l y have l andi ngs.
15 And l ast year was t he f i r s t f ul l
16 year af t er t he gi l l - net buyout wher e 47
17 peopl e sol d t hei r l i censes - - l ast year
18 was t he f i r st f ul l year of f i shi ng - -
19 now, some of t hi s i s compl i cat ed because
20 of t he oi l spi l l . But t he usual number
21 of t r i ps wher e peopl e have l andi ngs i s
22 bet ween f our and 5, 000 t r i ps per year
23 wi t h gi l l - net l andi ngs. Last year we
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1 wer e ar ound a 2300- t r i p r ange, so about
2 hal f of the hi stor i c numbers .
3 I ' l l be gl ad to answer any - - that ' s
4 j ust a br i ef over vi ew. Our gi l l - net
5 r egul at i on, as I say, i s ver y
6 compl i cat ed t o go t hr ough.
7 MR. SHI PP: Chr i s, t her e' s t he per cept i on
8 about t he quar t er - mi l e of f t he beach.
9 Coul d you address t hat or cl ar i f y i t ?
10 MR. BLANKENSHI P: Wi t hi n a quar t er - mi l e of f
11 t he beach i s wher e most of t he f i shi ng
12 act i vi t y t akes pl ace wi t h Spani sh
13 macker el , l adyf i sh, and bl ue r unner s,
14 some of t he ot her speci es. And t hat ' s
15 wher e t hey' r e mai nl y t ar get ed on t he
16 Gul f beaches i s wi t hi n t hat quar t er t o
17 hal f a mi l e, dependi ng on wher e t he
18 sandbar s ar e l ocat ed, how cl ose t o t he
19 shor e t hey ar e.
20 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Most of t he l et t er s I saw
21 come i n, Mr . Bl ankenshi p, wer e
22 addr essi ng t he Spani sh macker el , t hat
23 t her e' s a l ar ge bypr oduct cat ch on t hat
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1 al so. I s t hat r i ght ?
2 MR. BLANKENSHI P: I mean, t her e i s - - I mean,
3 you have l adyf i sh, Spani sh macker el ,
4 bl ue runner s al l i n t hat area. Now,
5 t hey are f ai r l y - - they can be f ai r l y
6 sel ect i ve on what t hey t ar get i n school s
7 of Spani sh macker el . They wi l l have
8 some bycat ch of bl ue f i sh or ot her
9 t hi ngs.
10 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes, Mr . Lynch.
11 MR. LYNCH: What ' s t he commer ci al val ue of a
12 l adyf i sh?
13 MR. BLANKENSHI P: Mr . Pet e Bar ber i s her e t hat
14 coul d pr obabl y gi ve a bet t er est i mat e.
15 But t hey ar e pr obabl y i n t he 40 t o 60 or
16 80- cent r ange. I t depends on t he si ze
17 and t he t i me of year and t he demand.
18 Woul d that be f ai r ?
19 MR. BARBER: ( I naudi bl e) t hey al so have a bai t
20 component . Some of i t goes t o f i sh
21 meal . J ust a f ood i t em f or t he Or i ent al
22 speci f i cal l y ( i naudi bl e) .
23 MR. LYNCH: Thank you.
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any ot her - -
2 MR. SHI PP: Yeah. Woul d you make a
3 di st i nct i on bet ween t he speci es t hat ar e
4 caught i n t he gi l l - net f i shery and t he
5 speci es t hat ar e commonl y pr esent i n our
6 super mar ket s l i ke Wi nn- Di xi e and
7 Br uno' s .
8 MR. BLANKENSHI P: I ' m sorr y. I di dn' t
9 under st and.
10 MR. SHI PP: I n ot her wor ds, t he speci es t hat
11 are t aken i n t he gi l l - net f i shery, how
12 ar e t hey t he same or di f f er ent t han t he
13 f i nf i sh t hat ar e f or sal e i n t he
14 supermarket s?
15 The reason i s t hat t her e' s a
16 per cept i on t hat much of our f i nf i sh
17 seaf ood comes f rom our gi l l - net
18 f i sher i es. And as Pet e j ust ment i oned,
19 t hat ' s not t he case.
20 I f I can expand on i t a l i t t l e bi t ,
21 t he gi l l - net f i shery does not t ake - -
22 does not capt ur e sal mon, does not
23 capture grouper , t una, t i l api a. Al l of
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1 t hose come f r om a di f f er ent sour ce. Our
2 gi l l - net f i sher y i s pr i mar i l y Spani sh
3 macker el , mul l et , and some of t he ot her
4 l esser speci es; i sn' t t hat r i ght ?
5 MR. BLANKENSHI P: You know, our pr i mar y
6 l andi ngs f rom t he gi l l net s are Spani sh
7 macker el , mul l et , and menhaden.
8 Menhaden i s not used as a f ood sour ce
9 pr i mar i l y. I t ' s pr i mar i l y used f or
10 ot her t hi ngs.
11 But Spani sh macker el , mul l et ,
12 bl uef i sh, sheepshead, you know, t hey ar e
13 used as a f ood sour ce - - maybe not as
14 pr eval ent her e i n our super mar ket s
15 because of consumer choi ce and ot her
16 f act ors . But our f i sher i es, ot her t han
17 menhaden, i s pr i mar i l y f or f ood f i sh.
18 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you ver y much,
19 Mr . Bl ankenshi p.
20 Mr . Har der s, di d you mi ss anyt hi ng
21 on t he open t r appi ng season f or
22 f urbearers? Are y' al l compl et e on al l
23 y' al l ' s r epor t s?
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1 Mr . Pugh.
2 MR. PUGH: Mr . Chai r man, t her e' s actual l y
3 anot her new busi ness i t em, game ani mal
4 r esearch pr oposal . And I ' d l i ke t o ask
5 Mr . Moody t o - -
6 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes. Pl ease di scuss t hat .
7 I don' t see i t l i sted on the f orm, but
8 l et ' s di scuss i t .
9 MR. MOODY: Thank you, Mr . Chai r man. And I
10 t hi nk y' al l al l have thi s proposal i n
11 your packet .
12 What we ar e pr oposi ng t o do i s
13 creat e a f und i n par t ner shi p wi t h Aubur n
14 School of Forest ry and Wi l dl i f e
15 Resources - - or Wi l dl i f e Sci ences t o
16 speci f i cal l y t ar get game ani mal s and
17 game ani mal r esear ch, t he r esear ch
18 pr i or i t i es t hat we have t hat woul d l ead
19 t o management i mpl i cat i ons not onl y on
20 our l ands but on pr i vat e l andowner
21 l ands.
22 We' r e pr oposi ng t o f und t hat i n par t
23 f rom f unds f rom t he Her i t age Li cense.
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1 And i f y' al l wi l l r ecal l , t he l ast t i me
2 a l i cense i ncr ease - - or l i cense
3 adj ust ment was creat ed by t he
4 l egi s l at ur e, a new l i cense was cr eat ed,
5 whi ch i s t he Wi l dl i f e Her i t age Li cense.
6 And t he r evenue f r om t hat by l aw says
7 the f i r s t hal f - mi l l i on dol l ar s has t o be
8 used f or r esear ch and t he boar d has t o
9 appr ove t he di r ect i ng of t hat spendi ng.
10 So f ar t he l i cense has onl y
11 gener at ed a l i t t l e over $50, 000. We' r e
12 pr oposi ng t o use $30, 000 now. Thi s
13 woul d be t he f i r st expendi t ur es f r om
14 t hat f und. The Aubur n School of
15 For estr y and Wi l dl i f e has agr eed t o
16 mat ch t hat 30, 000, so t her e we go t o
17 60. And t hen we' r e goi ng t o be seeki ng
18 addi t i onal mat chi ng f unds f r om f eder al
19 sour ces and ot her sour ces. So
20 pot ent i al l y t hi s pot coul d grow f ai r l y
21 subst ant i al and we coul d f und sever al
22 r esear ch pr oj ect s.
23 So t hat ' s our r equest t o you t o
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1 approve t hi s f i r s t expendi t ure f rom t he
2 Her i t age Li cense f und t o st ar t t hi s
3 r esear ch.
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: That ' s ver y good. The
5 l i st i s ver y compr ehensi ve and ver y wel l
6 done i n my opi ni on, Mr . Moody.
7 MR. MOODY: Thank you.
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any ot her quest i ons f r om
9 the boar d on that ?
10 MR. MOODY: J ust t o be speci f i c, Mr . Chai r man,
11 that l i st i s a suggested t i t l e t hat
12 we - - you know, we say i n t her e i t ' s not
13 absol ut el y t he end of i t . We' r e hopi ng
14 t o do a l ot mor e t han t hi s i n maki ng
15 some of t hese changes back and f or t h. I
16 don' t want t o mi sl ead anybody.
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. Any ot her
18 quest i ons?
19 Yes, Mr . Har t zog.
20 MR. HARTZOG: One t hi ng I ' d l i ke t o add t o
21 t hat l i st , Gar y. I know t he Depar t ment
22 has l ooked at i t f or several years. But
23 wi t h t he bear r el ocat i on i nt o t he nor t h
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1 del t a and bef or e t he Depar t ment never
2 had any f unds when t hey wer e want i ng t o
3 move t hose bear s out of - - was i t Hel l ' s
4 Swamp - - what ' s t he name of t hat swamp?
5 MR. MOODY: Hel l ' s Cr eek Swamp, I t hi nk.
6 MR. HARTZOG: Yeah. Move t hose out and t r y
7 r el ocat i on. And I know t hey di d some
8 st udi es up i n Ar kansas on t he Whi t e
9 Ri ver about bear r el ocat i on. But t hat ' s
10 an i ssue, f rom what I underst and f rom
11 t he bear commi t t ee of AWF - - t hat ' s a
12 bi g concer n now because of i ncreasi ng
13 number s down t her e, and t hose need t o
14 be . . .
15 MR. MOODY: J ust ver y br i ef l y - - and we' l l be
16 gl ad t o l ook at t hat , and I cer t ai nl y
17 don' t have any opposi t i on t o t hat . One
18 of t he concer ns t hat we' ve got i s publ i c
19 r eact i ons i n t he communi t i es wher e
20 ani mal s may be r el ocat ed. I t ' s one
21 t hi ng t o put a deer i n a communi t y,
22 anot her t hi ng t o put a bear . And t hat
23 does creat e anxi et y. And we' ve
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1 di scussed t hat some wi t h t he Feder at i on
2 and ot hers . That ' s t he bi ggest nut , I
3 t hi nk, t hat we' ve got t o get ar ound,
4 so - - but we' l l be gl ad t o l ook at i t .
5 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any ot her quest i ons?
6 ( No r esponse. )
7 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Any other new busi ness?
8 MR. HARTZOG: Can I make a mot i on?
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Har t zog.
10 MR. HARTZOG: To appr ove t he r equest s of t he
11 Depar t ment .
12 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. That wi l l have t o
13 be done t he next t i me.
14 MR. HARTZOG: Thi s i s not r egul at i ons.
15 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Oh, okay. Okay. But i t
16 st i l l has t o be di scussed t hi s meet i ng,
17 and t he next meet i ng we' l l appr ove t hat .
18 MR. HARTZOG: Okay.
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: I t st i l l has t o be done
20 t he same pr ot ocol .
21 MR. HARTZOG: Okay.
22 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Okay. We' ve got a mot i on
23 t hat we need appr oved. Who has t hat
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1 mot i on t hat I gave t o somebody bef or e
2 t he meet i ng?
3 MR. DEAN: Br ock. Mr . Br ock J ones.
4 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Can you i nt r oduce t hat
5 mot i on, pl ease?
6 MR. BROCK J ONES: The mot i on t o appr ove al l
7 depar t ment r egul at i ons si nce t he l ast
8 appr oval .
9 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thi s i s a st andar d
10 housekeepi ng bi l l . Ther e' s a mot i on t o
11 appr ove. I s t her e a second?
12 MR. LYNCH: Second.
13 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Mr . Lynch. Ther e' s a
14 mot i on and a second t o appr ove. Al l
15 t hose i n f avor ?
16 ( Al l boar d member s r ai se hands. )
17 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Al l opposed?
18 ( No r esponse. )
19 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Show t he mot i on was a
20 hundr ed- per cent af f i r med and t he mot i on
21 car r i es.
22 Any ot her new busi ness?
23 MR. HARTZOG: Mr . Chai r man?
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1 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Yes, Mr . Har t zog.
2 MR. HARTZOG: Ol d busi ness, new busi ness, j ust
3 cont i nui ng busi ness. Forever Wi l d i s
4 st i l l an i mpor t ant i ssue that i s out
5 t her e. The house commi t t ee vot ed i t out
6 of commi t t ee t o put i t on t he f l oor .
7 I t ' l l pr obabl y go t o t he f l oor af t er t he
8 spr i ng br eak sessi on. We st i l l need you
9 t o cal l your l egi sl at or s i n suppor t of
10 t hi s.
11 Wi t hout For ever Wi l d a l ot of t he
12 pl aces f or us t o hunt wi l l be t aken
13 away. The opposi t i on i s st i l l f i ght i ng
14 us har d. I f you happen t o get a Robo
15 phone cal l sayi ng - - t hey gi ve you t he
16 l i t t l e wor d bl i ps or what ever t hat make
17 i t sound l i ke you ought t o be agai nst
18 For ever Wi l d and says punch "one" i f you
19 want t o cal l your l egi s l at or . Go ahead
20 and punch "one. " And when your
21 l egi sl ator answer s , t el l hi m you' r e i n
22 suppor t of For ever Wi l d i nstead of
23 agai nst , so . . .
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1 But , anyway, we need t o st ay on t op
2 of t hi s. I t ' s got t o go bef or e t he
3 senat e commi t t ee. I t has not gone t o
4 t he senat e commi t t ee yet . But For ever
5 Wi l d has got t o be r enewed f or t hi s
6 stat e t o have t he l ands f or our publ i c
7 t o enj oy i n t he f ut ur e.
8 CHAI RMAN MOULTRI E: Thank you, Mr . Hart zog.
9 One ot her i t em of new busi ness. We
10 appr eci at e Vest avi a Hi gh School al l owi ng
11 us t o have t hi s meet i ng her e. Hopef ul l y
12 we' l l have f ut ur e meet i ngs her e.
13 Commi ssi oner Guy has made t wo ni ce
14 pr ocl amat i ons f or t he pr i nci pal and t he
15 super i nt endent . And we' l l make - -
16 t hey' r e not i n at t endance t oday, but
17 we' l l make sur e t hey get t hem and ar e
18 r ecogni zed. Thank you, Commi ssi oner
19 Guy, f or t hat .
20 Al l r i ght . The next order of
21 busi ness i s t he dat e and l ocat i on of t he
22 next advi sor y boar d meet i ng. The dat e
23 wi l l be May 14, 2011, and t he l ocat i on
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1 wi l l be Lakepoi nt St at e Park i n
2 Euf aul a.
3 Bei ng t here' s no f ur t her busi ness of
4 t hi s meet i ng, t hi s meet i ng i s adj our ned.
5 ( Meet i ng adj ourned at
6 appr oxi mat el y 11: 30 a. m. )
7 * * * * * * * * * *
8 REPORTER' S CERTI FI CATE
9 * * * * * * * * * *
10 STATE OF ALABAMA:
11 MONTGOMERY COUNTY:
12 I , Tracye Sadl er Bl ackwel l , Cer t i f i ed
13 Cour t Repor t er and Commi ssi oner f or t he St at e of
14 Al abama at Lar ge, do her eby cer t i f y t hat I r epor t ed
15 t he f or egoi ng pr oceedi ngs of t he St at e of Al abama
16 Depar t ment of Conser vat i on and Nat ur al Resour ces
17 Advi sor y Boar d Meet i ng on Mar ch 12, 2011.
18 The f or egoi ng 164 comput er - pr i nt ed pages
19 cont ai n a t r ue and cor r ect t r anscr i pt of t he
20 proceedi ngs hel d.
21 I f ur t her cer t i f y t hat I am nei t her of
22 ki n nor of counsel t o t he par t i es t o sai d cause nor
23 i n any manner i nt er est ed i n t he r esul t s t her eof .
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5 ACCR No. 294Expi r at i on dat e: 9- 30- 2011
6 Cer t i f i ed Cour t Repor t erand Commi ss i oner f or t he St ate
7 of Al abama at Lar ge
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