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I N THE UNI TED STATES DI STRI CT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DI STRI CT OF CALI FORNI A

AMERI CAN NEWS AND I NFORMATI ONSERVI CES, I NC. , a Connect i cut

Cor por at i on; EDWARD A. PERUTA;and J AMES C. PLAYFORD, Pl ai nt i f f s, vs. No. 12- cv- 2186- BEN( KSC)WI LLI AM D. GORE, i ndi vi dual l y andi n hi s of f i ci al capaci t y asSan Di ego Count y Sher i f f ; J ANCALDWELL, i ndi vi dual l y and i n herof f i c i al capaci t y as San Di egoCount y Sher i f f ' s Depar t mentPubl i c Af f ai r s Di r ect or ; THOMASSEI VER, San Di ego Count ySher i f f ' s Depar t ment Deput y,i ndi vi dual l y; BRENDAN COOK,San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' sDepar t ment Deput y, i ndi vi dual l y;

J ESSE ALLENSWORTH, San Di egoCount y Sher i f f ' s Depar t mentDeput y, i ndi vi dual l y; J AMESBRENEMAN, San Di ego Count ySher i f f ' s Depar t ment Deput y,i ndi vi dual l y; MI CHAEL PROCTOR,San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s

Depar t ment Deput y, i ndi vi dual l y; J OHN DOE 1- 10; San Di ego Count ySher i f f ' s Depar t ment ; WI LLI AMLANSDOWNE, i ndi vi dual l y and i nhi s of f i ci al capaci t y asSan Di ego Pol i ce Chi ef ; J OHN DOE1- 10; San Di ego Pol i ceDepar t ment ; and BONNI E DUMANI S,i ndi vi dual l y and i n her of f i ci alcapaci t y as San Di ego Count yDi st r i ct At t or ney; J OHN DOE 1- 10;San Di ego Count y Di st r i ctAt t or ney' s Of f i ce, i ndi vi dual l y,

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1 On Mar ch 16, 2016, commenci ng at t he hour of 2 10: 20 a. m. , at Of f i ce of Count y Counsel , 1600 Paci f i c3 Hi ghway, Room 355, i n t he Ci t y of San Di ego, Count y of 4 San Di ego, St at e of Cal i f or ni a, bef or e me, Pat r i ci a M.5 Beck, Cer t i f i ed Shor t hand Repor t er , i n and f or t he6 St at e of Cal i f or ni a, per sonal l y appeared:7 J AN CALDWELL,8 cal l ed as a wi t ness by t he Pl ai nt i f f s , who, bei ng by9 me f i r st dul y swor n, was t her eupon exami ned and

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1 SAN DI EGO, CALI FORNI A; MARCH 16, 2016; 10: 20 A. M. ,

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3 J AN CALDWELL,

4 havi ng been f i r s t dul y sworn, t es t i f i ed as f ol l ows :5

6 EXAMI NATI ON

7 BY MS. BAI RD:

8 Q. Good mor ni ng, Ms. Cal dwel l . How ar e you?

9 A. Ver y wel l .

10 Q. I i nt r oduced mysel f when you came t o t he

11 r oom. I ' m Rachel Bai r d, and I r epr esent J ames C.

12 Pl ayf or d i n t hi s case of Amer i can News ver sus Sher i f f

13 Gor e.

14 A. Uh- huh.

15 Q. Have you been deposed bef or e?

16 A. I have.

17 Q. About how many t i mes?18 A. Once t hat I can t hi nk of .

19 Q. So maybe you' r e not as f ami l i ar wi t h t he

20 pr ocess as I t hought . I f you have any quest i ons, i f

21 somet hi ng I ask i s not cl ear , don' t hesi t at e t o ask me

22 t o cl ar i f y and I ' l l do so. I f you need a br eak,

23 si mpl y ask. Your counsel i s her e. I f you have any

24 quest i ons, he' s r i ght t her e f or you, as I assume he' s

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1 A. Uh- huh.

2 Q. Any i ssue t hat comes up, j ust br i ng i t up.

3 I ' l l put i t t hat way.

4 A. Al l r i ght . Thank you.5 Q. So your t i t l e wi t h t he San Di ego Count y

6 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment i s publ i c i nf or mat i on di r ect or ?

7 A. Medi a r el at i ons di r ect or. I ' m t he publ i c

8 i nf or mat i on of f i cer .

9 Q. Because I ' ve seen i t put a coupl e of

10 di f f er ent ways. But t he of f i ci al t i t l e i s publ i c

11 i nf or mat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a di r ect or , or t he

12 ot her way ar ound, per haps?

13 A. Ei t her way.

14 Q. How l ong have you hel d t hat posi t i on?

15 A. A l i t t l e over ni ne year s . I t wi l l be t en

16 years t hi s Oct ober 13t h.

17 Q. Has i t al ways been cal l ed t he same t hi ng,18 publ i c i nf ormat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a di rect or?

19 A. I bel i eve i t became medi a di r ect or af t er I

20 ar r i ved.

21 Q. Have your dut i es been pr i mar i l y t he same i n

22 t he pas t near l y t en year s?

23 A. They' ve evol ved, i n t hat I have mor e

24 empl oyees. We' ve gr own wi t h soci al medi a, and we have

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1 Q. So when you came on boar d, had you been

2 empl oyed pr evi ousl y by t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s

3 Depar t ment ?

4 A. No.5 Q. So i t was somewhat of a hi r e f r om out si de.

6 You came f r om anot her agency or anot her empl oyment ?

7 A. Cor rect .

8 Q. What empl oyment was t hat ?

9 A. I was a speci al agent wi t h t he Feder al

10 Bureau of I nves t i gat i on.

11 Q. How l ong di d you do t hat ?

12 A. I was wi t h t he FBI f or 32 year s .

13 Q. I s i t f ai r t o say you r et i r ed f r om t he FBI ?

14 A. I t i s cor r ect .

15 Q. Di d your j ob dut i es wi t h t he FBI have t o do

16 wi t h medi a r el at i ons or publ i c i nf or mat i on?

17 A. The l ast 13 year s I was wi t h t he Bur eau wer e18 medi a r el at ed. Bef or e t hat , I wor ked ot her cr i mi nal

19 mat t er s.

20 Q. I f or got t o ask you. Have you ever

21 t est i f i ed i n cour t ?

22 A. Yes, I have.

23 Q. How many t i mes have you done t hat ?

24 A. I don' t know i f I coul d gi ve you - -

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1 t est i f i ed i n cour t ?

2 A. I have t est i f i ed.

3 Q. What wer e your j ob dut i es t hen dur i ng your

4 l ast 13 year s wi t h t he FBI ?5 A. They cal l t hem medi a r epr esent at i ve. I t ' s

6 basi cal l y a publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer f or t he

7 di vi si on wher e you' r e assi gned. I was assi gned her e

8 i n San Di ego.

9 Q. Wer e you head of t hat di vi si on?

10 A. No. I was j ust t he PI O.

11 Q. So i n t he medi a di vi si on of t he FBI t hat

12 was l ocat ed i n San Di ego, t her e wer e a number of

13 empl oyees, i t ' s f ai r t o say?

14 A. No.

15 Q. J ust you?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Got i t . How di d you go about obt ai ni ng18 empl oyment wi t h t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s

19 Depar t ment ? Di d you submi t an appl i cat i on?

20 A. No.

21 Q. Was t her e an openi ng?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. Was i t a newl y creat ed posi t i on?

24 A. No.

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1 t en year s ago, a l i t t l e l ess than t en year s ago when

2 you got t he posi t i on?

3 A. Bi l l Kol ender .

4 Q. Had you known hi m pr evi ousl y?5 A. I had met hi m.

6 Q. And how l ong di d you wor k f or - - i s i t

7 Kal mer , Bi l l Kal mer ? I ' m not sur e I hear d you say t he

8 name r i ght .

9 A. Kol ender .

10 Q. How l ong di d you wor k f or Sher i f f Kol ender ?

11 A. He r et i r ed I bel i eve i n 2009. Don' t hol d me

12 t o t hat . I bel i eve i t was 2009.

13 Q. Af t er he l ef t , i s i t f ai r t o say t hat

14 Sher i f f Wi l l i am Gor e t ook hi s pl ace?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Had you known Sher i f f Gor e pr evi ousl y?

17 A. Yes.18 Q. How di d you know hi m?

19 A. I knew hi m t hr ough my empl oyment at t he FBI .

20 I knew hi m per sonal l y as I was mar r i ed t o hi s cousi n.

21 Q. And t he empl oyment t hr ough t he FBI , was t hat

22 when you wer e l ocat ed i n San Di ego?

23 A. Pr i mar i l y. But I knew Mr . Gor e when he was

24 assi st ant di r ector and a speci al agent i n char ge of

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1 Q. How l ong, si t t i ng her e t oday, woul d you say

2 you' ve known Sher i f f Gor e?

3 A. I bel i eve s i nce around 1976.

4 Q. I t ' s 2016. He came on boar d i n 2009.5 That ' s seven year s. So you wor ked f or Sher i f f

6 Kol ender f or about t hr ee year s and t hen f or Sher i f f

7 Gor e f or about al most seven year s; i s t hat accur at e?

8 A. That ' s accur at e. But Sher i f f Gor e was

9 under s her i f f , so I r epor t ed t o hi m di r ect l y.

10 Q. Okay. Fai r enough. Who do you r epor t t o

11 di r ect l y now?

12 A. Under sher i f f Mark El vi n.

13 Q. How l ong have you r epor t ed t o hi m?

14 A. Under sher i f f El vi n was assi gned t her e,

15 pr omot ed t her e l ast I bel i eve Sept ember .

16 Q. And pr i or t o hi s pr omot i on, who di d you

17 r epor t t o?18 A. Under sher i f f Prendergas t .

19 Q. Pr i or t o Under sher i f f Pr ender gas t?

20 A. J i m Cooke, C- o- o- k- e.

21 Q. Pr i or t o Under sher i f f Cooke?

22 A. Bi l l Gor e.

23 Q. Pr i or t o Under sher i f f Gor e - - when was he

24 under sher i f f ?

25 A. I don' t know. That was bef or e my t i me.


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1 Q. So t he f i r s t per son t hat you r epor t ed t o

2 when you became t he PI O f or t he San Di ego Count y

3 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment was Under sher i f f Gor e?

4 A. That ' s cor r ect .5 Q. At t hat t i me, Bi l l Kol ender was t he sher i f f ?

6 A. That ' s cor r ect .

7 Q. I s t her e a wr i t t en document descr i bi ng your

8 j ob dut i es?

9 A. There' s my j ob descr i pt i on, yes .

10 Q. Has t hat r emai ned consi st ent over t he past

11 t en year s?

12 A. I bel i eve so, but I don' t r evi ew i t .

13 Q. How many peopl e do you have worki ng who

14 r epor t t o you cur r ent l y?

15 A. Si x.

16 Q. Are t hey al l i n t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on

17 Of f i ce?18 A. Yes.

19 Q. What ar e t hei r j ob dut i es? I f you coul d

20 al so at t ach t hei r name t o t hei r j ob dut i es .

21 A. I have an admi ni st r at i ve assi st ant whose

22 name i s Ci ndy Davi s. I have a medi a speci al i st by t he

23 name of Mel i ssa Acqui no, A- c- q- u- i - n- o. I have a

24 medi a speci al i st by t he name of Sammy Cast anon,

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1 Kur t z , K- u- r- t - z . Vi deo pr oduct i on speci al i s t Randy

2 Gr i mm, G- r - i - m- m. And I have a Deput y Ar i ana Rui be,

3 R- u- i - b- e, who i s assi gned t o Cr i me St opper s and

4 physi cal l y si t s at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ,5 but r epor t s t o me.

6 Q. Of t hose si x i ndi vi dual s who r epor t t o you,

7 i s i t f ai r t o say t hat one of t hem i s a swor n of f i cer ?

8 A. That i s cor r ect . And I ' d l i ke t o al so add,

9 I ' m sor r y, we have a 960. Thi s i s a deput y who

10 r et i r ed as a commander I bel i eve ei ght year s ago.

11 Comes back on a 960 par t - t i me pr ogr am. He wor ks i n

12 our of f i ce one day a week. Hi s name i s Ken Cul ver ,

13 and he does t he websi t e.

14 Q. Mr. Cul ver i s r et i r ed f r om t he sher i f f ' s

15 depar t ment ?

16 A. That i s cor r ect .

17 Q. So cur r ent l y he' s a ci vi l i an?18 A. Cor r ect .

19 Q. When di d t he - - I ' m s or r y. I t hi nk I may

20 have mi ssed t he name of t he per son who handl es t he

21 soci al medi a.

22 A. I have t wo peopl e, Mel i ssa Acqui no and Sammy

23 Cast anon.

24 Q. Wer e t hey empl oyed al r eady i n t he Publ i c

25 I nf or mat i on Of f i ce when t he of f i ce s tar t ed t o f ocus - -


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1 or or i gi nal l y f ocused on soci al medi a?

2 A. They wer e hi r ed and - - Mel i ssa was hi r ed

3 f i r st and char ged wi t h begi nni ng our soci al medi a.

4 Q. When was t hat ?5 A. I bel i eve i t was 2010.

6 Q. Was a j ob descr i pt i on cr eat ed f or t hat

7 posi t i on?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. And when was t he ot her per son who i s t asked

10 wi t h soci al medi a hi r ed? Was t hat speci f i cal l y f or

11 soci al medi a, or di d t hat per son' s j ob evol ve i nt o

12 t hat ?

13 A. I t was t o assi s t Mel i ssa, soci al medi a and

14 pr oact i ve st or i es. And I bel i eve Sammy was hi r ed i n

15 2013, but I don' t know i f t hat ' s t he exact year .

16 Q. And I under st and t hat when you' r e gi vi ng

17 dat es , you' r e s i t t i ng t her e j us t t est i f yi ng and you' r e18 goi ng by t he bes t of r ecal l . And cer t ai nl y i f you had

19 t o conf i r m t hat , you coul d.

20 A. Absol ut el y.

21 Q. When you r ef er ence soci al medi a, i s Twi t t er

22 i ncl uded?

23 A. Yes, i t i s.

24 Q. I s Facebook i ncl uded?

25 A. Not any l onger.


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1 Q. For a t i me i t sounds l i ke Facebook was

2 i ncl uded?

3 A. That ' s cor r ect .

4 Q. Does t he San Di ego Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment have5 a Facebook pr esence cur r ent l y?

6 A. They do not .

7 Q. Di d t hey at one t i me have a Facebook

8 pr esence?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Dur i ng what t i me per i od?

11 A. Agai n, guessi ng 2010 unt i l I bel i eve 2013 or

12 ' 14.

13 Q. Was t her e a r eason why i n about 2014 t he

14 Facebook pr esence f or t he depar t ment ceased?

15 A. There was a communi t y member post i ng vul gar

16 ver bi age on our page, and we t ook i t down.

17 Q. Who was t hat communi t y member ?18 A. Di mi t r i , D- i - m- i - t - r - i , Kar r as, K- a- r - r - a- s .

19 Q. Was t her e any r ecor d, or do you r ecal l

20 anyt hi ng bei ng post ed on t he Facebook page by J ames C.

21 Pl ayf or d?

22 A. I do not .

23 Q. Let me t r y t o t hi nk. I ns tagr am, i s t hat

24 par t of t he soci al medi a pr esence f or t he depar t ment ?

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1 answer t hat .

2 Q. I t sounds l i ke t her e i s a separ at e per son

3 who handl es t he websi t e pr esence now. Mr . Cul ver does

4 t hat ?5 A. He does t hat al ong wi t h our I T gr oup.

6 Q. And so do you consi der t he websi t e pr esence

7 par t of soci al medi a or separ at e?

8 A. I ' ve never r eal l y t hought about i t .

9 Q. I t ' s handl ed s eparat el y, i t s ounds l i ke,

10 t hough?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. When was t he websi t e br ought - - made act i ve?

13 I ' l l put i t t hat way. When was t he websi t e made

14 act i ve?

15 A. I don' t know. I t was bef or e my t i me.

16 Q. So i t ' s been t hat l ong. At l eas t t en year s?

17 A. Yes.18 Q. Who handl ed i t bef or e Mr . Cul ver ?

19 A. I woul d have t o suppose our I T depar t ment .

20 Q. And t he per son i n t he I T depar t ment t hat

21 hel ps out Mr . Cul ver , he doesn' t r epor t t o you,

22 cor r ect ?

23 A. Cor r ect , he does not .

24 Q. I s i t one per son or j ust t he I T depar t ment

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1 A. I bel i eve i t ' s t he depar t ment i n gener al .

2 Q. When you wer e f i r st hi r ed t o be t he publ i c

3 i nf or mat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a di r ector , how many

4 peopl e r epor t ed t o you t hen?5 A. I ni t i al l y no one.

6 Q. One- per son depar t ment ?

7 A. No, no. Ther e was a capt ai n i n t her e

8 t empor ar i l y and admi ni s t r at i ve assi s tant .

9 Q. Do you know whose pl ace you t ook?

10 A. I bel i eve I r epl aced Chr i s Saunder s ,

11 S- a- u- n- d- e- r - s , but i t had been a f ew year s si nce he

12 had wor ked t her e.

13 Q. So t her e had been somewhat of a gap i n

14 f i l l i ng t he posi t i on? I t had gone unf i l l ed f or a

15 per i od of t i me?

16 A. I bel i eve so.

17 Q. To t he best of your knowl edge, di d t he18 capt ai n and t he admi ni s t r at i ve assi s t ant f i l l i n whi l e

19 t her e was a gap i n t he per son who act ual l y had t he

20 t i t l e PI O?

21 A. The capt ai n was t he POI .

22 Q. And who was t hat ?

23 A. Gl enn, G- l - e- n- n, Revel l , R- e- v- e- l - l , I

24 t hi nk.

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1 over t he j ob?

2 A. He st ayed t her e t o hel p t r ai n me, and t hen

3 he was assi gned somewher e el se. I don' t r emember

4 wher e. And a l i eut enant came i n.5 Q. So at t hat t i me when you became t he publ i c

6 i nf or mat i on of f i cer , i t sounds l i ke t her e was a

7 capt ai n and an admi ni s t r at i ve assi s tant i n t he of f i ce?

8 A. Cor rect .

9 Q. But t hey di dn' t r epor t t o you?

10 A. No.

11 Q. And t hen t he capt ai n t r ai ned you and l ef t at

12 some poi nt ?

13 A. Uh- huh.

14 Q. And a l i eut enant came on boar d?

15 A. Cor r ect .

16 Q. Do you r ecal l t he name of t hat l i eut enant ?

17 A. Hi s name was Phi l Brus t , B- r- u- s - t .18 Q. And t he admi ni s t r at i ve assi s tant s tayed i n

19 t he posi t i on?

20 A. Cor r ect .

21 Q. When di d t hat composi t i on change?

22 A. We had a t empor ar y l i ght - dut y per son come i n

23 t hat was assi gned t o our communi cat i ons cent er as a

24 di spat cher . Came t o wor k f or us i n a TDY capaci t y,

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1 not r eal l y sur e i f I can r ecal l t he exact t i me f r ame.

2 And t hen Li eut enant Br ust was r eassi gned t o

3 t he Fal l br ook st at i on, and we deci ded t o hi r e someone

4 t o come i n and do t he pr oact i ve st or i es and soci al5 medi a, and t hat ' s when we adver t i sed and we acqui r ed

6 Mel i ssa Acqui no.

7 Q. Was Ms. Acqui no t he f i r st empl oyee of t he

8 Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce t hat r epor t ed t o you?

9 A. No. Whi l e Li eut enant Br ust was t her e, we

10 deci ded t hat Adr i ana Rui be woul d r epor t t o Phi l Br ust ,

11 and t he admi ni st r at i ve assi st ant woul d r epor t t o me.

12 Q. And af t er t he hi r e f or t he soci al medi a

13 posi t i on, i s i t f ai r t o say i t cont i nued t o gr ow t o

14 t he poi nt i t ' s at now, wher e si x peopl e r epor t t o you?

15 A. Cor r ect .

16 Q. I n addi t i on t o Mr. Cul ver ?

17 A. Cor r ect .18 Q. So i t ' s act ual l y seven?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. As i t ' s gr own, have peopl e come and gone, or

21 has i t j ust gr own wher e peopl e have added - - peopl e

22 have come on boar d and st ayed?

23 A. We had anot her per son come i n, a medi a

24 speci al i s t by t he name of Susan Pl ese, P- l - e- s- e, and

25 she was t here f or a l i t t l e whi l e af t er Li eut enant


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1 Br ust l ef t , and t hen she r esi gned. And t hen si nce

2 t hen we have cont i nued t o gr ow wi t h Mel i ssa and Sammy,

3 et cet er a.

4 Q. What f act or s have l ed t he depar t ment t o add5 t he soci al medi a component t o t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on

6 Of f i ce?

7 A. I t ' s a good way t o get i nf or mat i on t o t he

8 communi t i es. The t r end i s , soci al medi a i s ver y

9 popul ar and j ust a good way t o push out i nf or mat i on

10 qui ckl y.

11 Q. I j ust want t o make sur e t hat I di d name al l

12 t he soci al medi a t hat t he i nf or mat i on of f i ce act i vel y

13 cont r i but es t o, and t hat woul d be basi cal l y Twi t t er

14 and t he web page, i f you want t o consi der t hat as

15 wel l .

16 A. We have our web page. We have - - f or a

17 whi l e we di d have Facebook as we di scussed. We do18 have Twi t t er . We use Ni xl e, N- i - x- l - e. And we mi ght

19 use I nst agr am. I woul d have t o check on t hat .

20 Q. Have you had any i ssues wi t h Twi t t er or t he

21 ot her soci al medi a t hat you exper i enced wi t h Facebook

22 t hat l ed t o t he page bei ng shut down?

23 A. No, we haven' t .

24 ( Br i ef r ecess. )

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1 BY MS. BAI RD:

2 Q. The vi deo pr oduct i on, when di d t hat

3 component of t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce come i nt o

4 exi st ence?5 A. Appr oxi mat el y t wo, t hr ee year s ago.

6 Q. And t her e ar e t wo peopl e i nvol ved i n t hat ?

7 A speci al i st and t hen t he mai n per son, cor r ect?

8 A. Wel l , t hey' r e bot h ki nd of equal .

9 Q. Di d t hey bot h - - wer e t hey bot h hi r ed about

10 t he same t i me?

11 A. No. We had - - one i s a vol unt eer f or many,

12 many year s bef or e I st ar t ed. And t hen Mr . Kur t z

13 j oi ned us t wo or t hr ee year s ago as a vol unt eer and

14 t hen appl i ed as we gr ew t hi s new uni t .

15 Q. And so bot h of t hem ar e pai d empl oyees now?

16 A. Cor r ect .

17 Q. What does t he vi deo pr oduct i on par t of t he18 of f i ce ent ai l ?

19 A. Wel l , t hese t wo men wi l l do vi deos at t he

20 reques t of di f f erent uni t s . For i ns tance, t hey j us t

21 compl et ed a vi deo on a cof f ee car t at one of our

22 f aci l i t i es, one of our det ent i on f aci l i t i es. Ki nd of

23 a cul i nar y ar t s t r ai ni ng pr ogr am. So t hey vi deot aped

24 t hat and put i t onl i ne. And i t was al so pi cked up by

25 t he news medi a.


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1 Q. What are t he var i ous f acet s of t he sher i f f ' s

2 depar t ment t hat t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce i s

3 t asked wi t h di st r i but i ng i nf or mat i on about ? I mean,

4 you j us t ment i oned a cor rect i ons f aci l i t y or a j ai l5 f aci l i t y. So t hat woul d be one component .

6 Woul d anot her component be t he var i ous

7 st at i ons or subst at i ons wher e swor n of f i cer s wor k out

8 of ?

9 A. Cor rect .

10 Q. And what woul d be some ot her exampl es?

11 A. Cour t Ser vi ces Bur eau woul d be anot her

12 exampl e. Ther e ar e a l ot of movi ng par t s t o t he

13 sher i f f ' s depar t ment , and we t r y t o put i nf or mat i on

14 out about t hem as r equest ed, or t hat t he publ i c mi ght

15 f i nd i nt er est i ng.

16 Q. So i t woul d cover ever yt hi ng i nvol vi ng t he

17 sher i f f ' s depar t ment t hen?18 A. Cor r ect .

19 Q. Ar e t he vi deos t hat ar e pr oduced i n your

20 uni t di ssemi nat ed t hr ough soci al medi a?

21 A. Somet i mes .

22 Q. I ncl udi ng your websi t e somet i mes?

23 A. Somet i mes .

24 Q. And l i nks on Twi t t er somet i mes?

25 A. I don' t know f or sur e, but I woul d i magi ne.


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1 Q. Ar e t hey used at any f unct i ons or f or ums or

2 pl aces wher e you gi ve speeches or ot her member s of t he

3 depar t ment gi ve pr esent at i ons or speeches?

4 A. Yes.5 Q. Appr oxi mat el y how many vi deos have been

6 pr oduced, i f you know?

7 A. I coul dn' t begi n t o count .

8 Q. Woul d t her e be a l i s t of t hose vi deos

9 mai nt ai ned?

10 A. Ther e mi ght be. I woul d have t o r esear ch.

11 Q. Wel l , t he vi deos woul d be mai nt ai ned,

12 cor r ect ?

13 A. Cor r ect .

14 Q. Do peopl e f r om t he publ i c ever r equest

15 copi es of t he vi deos?

16 A. No, not t hat ' s been my exper i ence.

17 Q. Do you make t r ai ni ng vi deos f or deput i es or18 peopl e t hat wor k i n t he sher i f f ' s depar t ment ?

19 A. The t wo gent l emen i n t he vi deo pr oduct i on

20 uni t do, yes.

21 Q. I s t hat a par t i cul ar t as k t hat ' s as si gned t o

22 your uni t ? I n ot her wor ds, t her e' s not a separ at e

23 t r ai ni ng uni t out t her e t hat does vi deo; t hat woul d be

24 your uni t t hat woul d do t hose?

25 A. There' s a separat e t r ai ni ng uni t , but t hey


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1 usual l y r el y on Randy or Mi ke t o do t he vi deos.

2 Q. Okay, okay. Do you have a f or mal wor ki ng

3 r el at i onshi p wi t h a publ i c i nf ormat i on of f i cer

4 empl oyed by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?5 A. I know t he l i eut enant , and we conver se f r om

6 t i me t o t i me on di f f er ent t hi ngs .

7 Q. For exampl e, i s t her e any memor andum of

8 under st andi ng r egar di ng a r el at i onshi p bet ween you and

9 a PI O f r om t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

10 A. Not t o my knowl edge.

11 Q. I s i t f ai r t o say t hat you r el y on t he

12 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment f or a l i s t of i ndi vi dual s

13 or or gani zat i ons who have been i ssued medi a

14 cr edent i al s by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. And how do you - - i f you do, how do you

17 obt ai n a l i s t or keep cur r ent wi t h such a l i s t18 mai nt ai ned by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

19 A. I ' ve never asked f or a l i st .

20 Q. Do you know i f t her e i s a l i s t ?

21 A. I don' t know.

22 Q. Do you have a way of det er mi ni ng i f an

23 i ndi vi dual or an organi zat i on i s on a l i st , i f t her e

24 i s a l i st , kept by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

25 A. I ' m sor r y. Woul d you repeat t hat ?


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1 Q. Do you have a way of det er mi ni ng i f an

2 i ndi vi dual or an organi zat i on i s on a l i st , i f t her e

3 i s a l i s t , mai nt ai ned by t he San Di ego Pol i ce

4 Depar t ment ?5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And how i s t hat ?

7 A. I woul d pi ck up t he phone and cal l .

8 Q. So i f you need t o det er mi ne i f an i ndi vi dual

9 or or gani zat i on has been i ssued medi a credent i al s by

10 t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment , one way you det er mi ne

11 t hat i nf or mat i on i s by pi cki ng up t he phone and

12 cal l i ng t he pol i ce depar t ment ?

13 A. Cor r ect .

14 Q. Any par t i cul ar per son t hat you cal l at t he

15 pol i ce depar t ment ?

16 A. I t woul d pr obabl y be t he mai n PI O.

17 Q. And who i s t he cur r ent PI O?18 A. Li eut enant Scot t Wahl , W- a- h- l .

19 Q. And how many, i f you can r ecal l , PI Os have

20 you used i n t hat f ashi on at t he San Di ego Pol i ce

21 Depar t ment ?

22 A. The pr i or PI O i s Det ect i ve Gar y Hassen,

23 H- a- s- s- e- n, I bel i eve, and I woul d cal l hi m

24 occas i onal l y. I don' t bel i eve I cal l ed t he pr i or PI O.

25 Q. Do you know i f deput i es empl oyed by t he


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1 San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment use a si mi l ar

2 means of det er mi ni ng i f an i ndi vi dual or an agency has

3 medi a credent i al i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce

4 Depar t ment ?5 A. I don' t know.

6 Q. Do you know i f t her e i s a pr ocedur e or

7 pol i cy i n pl ace f or deput i es wi t h t he Count y t o

8 det er mi ne i f an i ndi vi dual or agency has medi a

9 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

10 A. I ' m sor r y. Woul d you r epeat t he quest i on?

11 Q. Do you know i f t her e' s a pr ocedur e or pol i cy

12 f or deput i es to det er mi ne i f an i ndi vi dual or

13 or gani zat i on has medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he

14 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

15 A. Not t o my knowl edge.

16 Q. Do you know i f i t ' s par t of a deput y' s j ob

17 t o make a det er mi nat i on i f an i ndi vi dual or agency at18 a scene has been i ssued medi a cr edent i al s by t he


20 A. I ' ve never been a deput y. I woul dn' t be

21 abl e t o ans wer t hat .

22 Q. Do deput i es ever ask you, i n your posi t i on

23 as a publ i c i nf ormat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a

24 di r ect or , whet her a cer t ai n i ndi vi dual or agenci es

25 t hey' ve come i n cont act wi t h has medi a cr edent i al s


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1 i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

2 A. I bel i eve t hey' ve asked t hat , I bel i eve.

3 Q. Ther e' s no pol i cy or pr ocedur e, t hat you

4 know of , t hat i nf or ms deput i es of how t o make a5 det er mi nat i on of whet her an i ndi vi dual or agency has

6 medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce

7 Depar t ment ?

8 A. To my knowl edge, no.

9 Q. Have you ever been cont act ed by a deput y

10 empl oyed by t he Count y and asked i f J ames C. Pl ayf or d

11 has medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce

12 Depar t ment ?

13 A. I can' t t hi nk of a speci f i c deput y. I can' t

14 r ecal l one.

15 Q. I guess I shoul d ask, j us t as a f oundat i on,

16 whet her you know who J ames C. Pl ayf or d i s.

17 A. Yes, I do.18 Q. Have you ever met hi m i n per son?

19 A. Yes, I have.

20 Q. So you' d r ecogni ze hi m i f you saw hi m?

21 A. Yes, I woul d.

22 Q. Has anybody, a ci vi l i an empl oyee of t he

23 Count y, cont act ed you t o ask you i f Mr . Pl ayf or d has


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1 A. A ci vi l i an empl oyee of t he Count y?

2 Q. Yes . Wel l , t he s her i f f ' s depar t ment , I

3 mean. I ' l l say t he whol e t hi ng. San Di ego Count y

4 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment , a ci vi l i an empl oyee.5 A. I don' t r ecal l .

6 Q. Have you been cont act ed, t hat you r ecal l ,

7 by ei t her a s worn of f i cer, a deput y, or a ci vi l i an

8 empl oyee of t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment ,

9 and asked i f Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on Ser vi ces

10 has been i ssued medi a cr edent i al s by t he San Di ego

11 Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

12 A. I don' t r ecal l .

13 Q. When I ment i on Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on

14 Ser vi ces, does t hat mean anyt hi ng t o you?

15 A. I t i s I bel i eve t he agency t hat has used or

16 hi r ed J . C. Pl ayf or d.

17 Q. Have you ever had cont act wi t h an i ndi vi dual18 named Edwar d Per ut a?

19 A. I don' t bel i eve di r ect l y.

20 Q. Do you know i f he has any associ at i on wi t h

21 Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on Ser vi ces or J ames C.

22 Pl ayf or d?

23 A. My under st andi ng i s he' s t he owner of

24 Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on Ser vi ces whi ch empl oys

25 Mr . Pl ayf or d.


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1 Q. Do you know i f Mr . Pl ayf or d cur r ent l y has


3 Depar t ment ?

4 A. My l at est under st andi ng, and i t ' s been a f ew5 mont hs , i s that he does not .

6 Q. And do you know i f Mr . Per ut a has medi a


8 A. I do not know.

9 Q. When you say i t ' s your under st andi ng f r om

10 t he past coupl e of mont hs t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d does not

11 have such medi a cr edent i al s, di d you have some

12 occasi on i n t he past coupl e of mont hs t o check, or di d

13 somebody vol unt eer i nf or mat i on t o you t hat gi ves you

14 t hat under s t andi ng?

15 A. I don' t r ecal l a speci f i c i nci dent . The

16 l ast one woul d have been I bel i eve l ast J une when we

17 had a news conf er ence i n t he bui l di ng, and we wer e18 t r yi ng t o ascer t ai n i f Mr. Pl ayf or d had medi a - - val i d


20 Depar t ment .

21 Q. And t he pr ess conf er ence you' r e r ef er r i ng t o

22 and i n t he bui l di ng - - what bui l di ng was t hat pr ess

23 conf er ence back i n J une of 2015?

24 A. Our sher i f f ' s admi ni s t r at i ve headquar t er s on

25 Ri dgehaven Cour t .


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1 Q. And ot her t han t hi s J une of 2015 occasi on

2 t hat you r ecal l i nvol vi ng Mr . Pl ayf or d and t he i ssue

3 of pr ess cr edent i al s , do you r ecal l any ot her pr ess

4 conf er ences wher e Mr . Pl ayf or d has been pr esent , and5 i t was det er mi ned t hat he di dn' t have t he necessar y or

6 val i d medi a cr edent i al s t o at t end t he pr ess

7 conf er ence?

8 A. Pr ess conf er ence, no.

9 Q. So t el l me what you r emember about t hi s

10 J une 2015 pr ess conf er ence i nvol vi ng J . C. Pl ayf or d

11 t hat woul d have caused you t o be i nf or med of or check

12 i nt o whet her he had val i d medi a credent i al s.

13 A. Coul d you be mor e speci f i c?

14 Q. Sur e. Wer e you pr esent at t he news

15 conf er ence?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. I s i t a news conf er ence or pr ess conf er ence?18 A. I bel i eve i t ' s cal l ed medi a conf erence.

19 Q. So you wer e pr esent at t he medi a conf er ence

20 back i n J une 2015?

21 A. Cor r ect .

22 Q. Wer e you t he one gi vi ng t he pr esent at i on at

23 t he medi a conf er ence?

24 A. No.

25 Q. Who was?


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1 A. Sher i f f Gor e.

2 Q. Do you know what t he medi a conf er ence

3 per t ai ned t o?

4 A. I t was about a deput y who had t azed a5 t eenager i n Fal l br ook.

6 Q. When you have a medi a conf erence such as t he

7 one we' r e t al ki ng about back i n J une 2015, i s t her e

8 any pol i cy or pr ocedur e about not i ce goi ng out t hat

9 t her e' s goi ng t o be such a conf er ence?

10 A. No.

11 Q. Fai r t o say some ar e mor e hast i l y put

12 t oget her t han ot her s dependi ng on t he i ssue?

13 A. Cor r ect .

14 Q. So at t hi s J une 2015 conf er ence, wer e t her e

15 member s of t he medi a t her e wi t h val i d medi a

16 cr edent i al s?

17 A. Yes.18 Q. And di d t hey gai n ent r y by showi ng t hose

19 medi a cr edent i al s?

20 A. Yes . That was par t of t hei r ent r ance.

21 They have t o go t hr ough - - ever yone goes t hr ough a

22 magnet omet er and shows i dent i f i cat i on t o gai n ent r y

23 i nt o our bui l di ng.

24 Q. And t her e' s somebody t hat i s st at i oned at

25 t he magnet omet er ?


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1 A. Cor rect .

2 Q. They wi l l be t he ones t hat l ook t o see i f

3 any al ar m goes of f ?

4 A. Cor rect .5 Q. And t hen t hey ask each per son f or t hei r

6 val i d medi a cr edent i al s?

7 A. I f t hey ar e a member of t he medi a, yes.

8 Q. So how woul d t hat per son t hat ' s st at i oned

9 t her e know t o ask someone f or t hei r val i d medi a

10 cr edent i al s?

11 A. I f t hey have camer a equi pment wi t h t hem

12 woul d be one way. They mi ght have t hei r cr edent i al s

13 ar ound t hei r neck di spl ayed and woul d ask t o see t hem

14 i f t hey wer e cur r ent .

15 Q. I s t he general publ i c al l owed? Let ' s s t i ck

16 t o t he J une 2015 conf er ence j ust t o make i t mor e

17 speci f i c. Was t he gener al publ i c al l owed i nt o t hat18 medi a conf er ence?

19 A. Gener al l y t hey don' t come so we don' t have

20 t o make a deci si on i f t hey ar e al l owed or not .

21 Q. I s t her e a pol i cy or pr ocedur e about whet her

22 t he gener al publ i c i s al l owed i nt o a medi a conf er ence?

23 A. What was pol i cy i s t hat a per son wi t h t he

24 news, wi t h t he medi a, has a val i d San Di ego Depar t ment

25 i ssued cr edent i al . They ar e al l owed i nt o our bui l di ng


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1 t o vi deot ape or conduct i nt er vi ews. They don' t need a

2 credent i al i f we have t he medi a conf er ence out si de.

3 And t hen t he gener al publ i c may at t end as wel l .

4 Q. Do you mean out si de t he bui l di ng?5 A. Cor rect .

6 Q. But i ns i de t he bui l di ng, t hen an i ndi vi dual

7 needs t hat medi a credent i al f r om t he San Di ego Pol i ce

8 Depar t ment ?


10 Q. What ot her ki nd of per sons or cl asses or

11 cat egor i es of peopl e can at t end an i nsi de medi a

12 conf er ence, ot her t han i ndi vi dual s wi t h val i d medi a

13 cr edent i al s?

14 A. Empl oyees .

15 Q. So any ot her cat egor i es?

16 A. Ot her depar t ment s. Empl oyees t hat mi ght be

17 associ at ed wi t h an i nvest i gat i on. Anot her l aw18 enf or cement agency or anot her st akehol der .

19 Q. And coul d a st akehol der be an i ndi vi dual not

20 empl oyed by t he gover nment , or woul d i t al ways be

21 anot her depar t ment or agency?

22 A. Each s i t uat i on woul d be di f f er ent .

23 Q. I ' m j ust t r yi ng t o t hi nk of what a

24 st akehol der woul d be. Per haps a vi ct i m, woul d t hey be

25 a st akehol der ?


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1 A. That coul d be.

2 Q. A wi t ness, coul d t hat per son be a

3 st akehol der ?

4 A. That coul d be.5 Q. So when you say " st akehol der , " you mean

6 somebody di r ect l y i nvol ved wi t h t he f act s of t he case?

7 A. Usual l y, but each si t uat i on i s di f f er ent .

8 I t s t ands on i t s own.

9 Q. What do you r ecal l , i f anyt hi ng, about

10 Mr . Pl ayf or d and t he J une 2015 medi a conf er ence?

11 A. Can you be mor e speci f i c?

12 Q. Was he pr esent ?

13 A. Yes.

14 Q. Di d he go t hr ough t he - - I f or get - -

15 magnet omet er ?

16 A. Magnet omet er .

17 Q. Di d he go t hr ough t he magnet omet er ?18 A. I wasn' t t her e, but I ' m sur e he di d.

19 Q. How do you know he was t her e?

20 A. I saw hi m.

21 Q. Wher e di d you see hi m?

22 A. I n t he t r ai ni ng r oom wher e we hel d t he medi a

23 conf er ence.

24 Q. So he made i t i nt o t he t r ai ni ng r oom?

25 A. He di d.


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1 Q. And di d he st ay f or t he whol e medi a

2 conf er ence?

3 A. Yes, he di d.

4 Q. Di d he ask any quest i ons?5 A. I bel i eve he di d.

6 Q. I s t hat t he i nci dent t hat caused you t o

7 check t o see i f he had val i d medi a cr edent i al s?

8 A. I di d not .

9 Q. Di d you di r ect somebody t o do t hat ?

10 A. They al ways check.

11 Q. The per son st at i oned at t he machi ne?

12 A. Cor r ect .

13 Q. And do you know i f t he per son st at i oned at

14 t he machi ne i n J une 2015 checked?

15 A. I know t hat t hey asked hi m f or t hem.

16 Q. Do you have r eason t o bel i eve t hat Mr .

17 Pl ayf or d gai ned ent r y i n J une 2015 t o t he medi a18 conf er ence when he di d not have medi a cr edent i al s

19 i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

20 A. He di d.

21 Q. Was t her e any f ol l ow- up i nvest i gat i on done

22 t o det er mi ne how he accompl i shed t hat ?

23 A. No, t her e was no i nvest i gat i on.

24 Q. Was t her e any act i on t aken agai nst t he

25 per son st at i oned at t he machi ne t hat al l owed


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1 Mr. Pl ayf or d ent r y?

2 A. No.

3 Q. Was i t er ror t o al l ow Mr . Pl ayf or d ent ry

4 i nt o t hat medi a conf er ence?5 A. Yes.

6 Q. Was i t er r or because he di dn' t have medi a


8 A. Cor rect .

9 Q. And do you know i f t hat er r or has been made

10 at any ot her t i me of al l owi ng Mr . Pl ayf or d i nt o a

11 medi a conf er ence when he di dn' t have pr ess medi a


13 A. I ' m not sur e i f I can answer t hat .

14 Q. Has any act i on been t aken by your of f i ce t o

15 ensur e t hat t hi s er ror of al l owi ng Mr . Pl ayf ord i nt o a

16 medi a conf er ence i nsi de wi t hout medi a cr edent i al s

17 doesn' t occur agai n?18 A. Not hi ng has changed i n our of f i ce.

19 Q. So t her e hasn' t been any memo or not i ce

20 i ssued t o i ndi vi dual s t hat ar e s tat i oned at t hese

21 ent r y machi nes t el l i ng t hem, be sur e and check i f

22 peopl e have medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego

23 Pol i ce Depar t ment bef or e you l et t hem i n t he medi a

24 conf er ences?

25 A. I don' t know i f t her e was somet hi ng bef or e


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1 t hat t i me or af t er t hat t i me. My col l eague Mel i ssa

2 pr epar ed somet hi ng t hat gave an exampl e of what a

3 San Di ego medi a cr edent i al l ooked l i ke, and t o make

4 sur e t hat peopl e wi t h t he medi a had t hem. But i n5 hones ty, I don' t know i f i t was bef or e or af t er .

6 Q. And what was Mel i ssa' s l ast name?

7 A. Acqui no.

8 Q. Di d t hi s , i f you know, di d t he not i ce have a

9 wr i t t en descr i pt i on of t he medi a cr edent i al or j us t a

10 pi ct ur e of i t ?

11 A. I bel i eve i t was j ust a pi ct ur e.

12 Q. Di d you see anyone at t he J une 2015 pr ess

13 conf er ence conf r ont Mr . Pl ayf or d about hi s pr esence at

14 t he medi a conf er ence?

15 A. Not t hat I saw.

16 Q. Ot her t han medi a conf er ences, ar e t her e

17 ot her i nf or mat i onal event s t hat ar e open t o - - wel l ,18 what I shoul d say, t hat ar e l i mi t ed t o member s of t he

19 medi a who have medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he


21 A. I ' m sor r y. One mor e t i me.

22 Q. Sur e. Ot her t han t he medi a conf er ences,

23 ar e t her e ot her i nf or mat i onal event s, pr esent at i ons

24 gi ven by ei t her Sher i f f Gor e or ot her member s of t he

25 sher i f f ' s depar t ment , t hat ar e onl y open t o medi a i f


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1 t hey have credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce

2 Depar t ment ?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. What ar e t hose event s?5 A. They mi ght be pl aci ng ei t her t he sher i f f or

6 a capt ai n, anot her i ndi vi dual , a medi a avai l abi l i t y t o

7 answer quest i ons on a speci f i c event or si t uat i on.

8 That woul d be one exampl e.

9 Q. Can you t hi nk of any ot her s?

10 A. Not of f t he t op of my head. But as we go

11 al ong, I mi ght r emember somet hi ng.

12 Q. I s t here any provi s i on f or reci pr oci t y of

13 r ecogni t i on of medi a cr edent i al s? For exampl e, i f an

14 i ndi vi dual had a medi a credent i al i ssued by t he

15 Sacr ament o Pol i ce Depar t ment , woul d t hat be - - i s

16 t her e any pr ovi s i on or l i s t of r ecogni z i ng medi a

17 cr edent i al s i ssued by ot her gover nment agenci es?18 A. Yes.

19 Q. What i s t hat provi s i on?

20 A. Wel l , t here' s no pol i cy. I f anot her medi a

21 i ndi vi dual has val i d cur r ent cr edent i al s , t hey' ve been

22 aut hor i zed by an out si de l aw enf or cement agency, we

23 woul d r ecogni ze t hose.

24 Q. Ot her t han r ecogni zi ng credent i al s i ssued by

25 l aw enf or cement agenci es, i s t her e any pr ovi si on f or


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1 r ecogni zi ng cr edent i al s i ssued by non l aw enf or cement

2 or gani zat i ons?

3 A. Those ar en' t r ecogni zed as bei ng val i d.

4 Q. So a medi a cr edent i al t o be r ecogni zed by5 t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment has t o be

6 i ssued by gover nment agency?

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. Woul d you cal l t hat a pol i cy?

9 A. I don' t know honest l y i f i t ' s i n our pol i cy

10 manual , but i t i s the pr ot ocol we f ol l ow.

11 Q. Was t hat t he pr ot ocol t hat was f ol l owed when

12 you came on boar d as t he publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer ,

13 sl ash, medi a di r ect or f or t he Count y?

14 A. Si nce I ' ve been t here. I can' t speak

15 bef or ehand.

16 Q. Has i t r emai ned t he same, t o your knowl edge,

17 dur i ng t he near l y t en year s you' ve been wi t h t he18 Count y?

19 A. To t he best of my knowl edge, yes.

20 Q. Now, ar e you awar e t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d has

21 cr edent i al s i ssued by Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on

22 Ser vi ces?

23 A. No, I di dn' t know t hat .

24 Q. Ar e you awar e t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d has cl ai med

25 t o have cr edent i al s i ssued by a non l aw enf or cement


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1 or gani zat i on?

2 A. I don' t have f i r s thand knowl edge of t hat ,

3 no.

4 Q. So you s i t t i ng here t oday, ei t her f i r s thand5 or under st andi ng f r om i nf or mat i on t hat ' s been gi ven t o

6 you, you have no knowl edge t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d has or

7 does not have cr edent i al s i ssued by a non gover nment

8 or gani zat i on?

9 A. No, I don' t . I don' t know.

10 Q. I s t hat because i t ' s i r r el evant t o you

11 whet her or not he has cr edent i al s i ssued by a non

12 gover nment or gani zat i on, because t hey woul dn' t be

13 val i d under your prot ocol ?

14 A. We l ook t o see i f t hey have a San Di ego

15 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued credent i al s .

16 Q. Or ot her l aw enf or cement , cor r ect?

17 A. Cor r ect .18 Q. So i f i t ' s not San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment

19 or ot her l aw enf or cement t hat i ssued t he credent i al s,

20 t hen t he credent i al s under t he pr ot ocol of your

21 depar t ment ar en' t val i d?

22 A. Cor r ect .

23 Q. Have you ever cont act ed t he San Di ego Pol i ce

24 Depar t ment t o i ndi cat e t hat an i ndi vi dual who has

25 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment medi a cr edent i al s has done


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1 somet hi ng t hat shoul d be l ooked i nt o by t he San Di ego

2 Pol i ce Depar t ment , somet hi ng i nappr opr i at e wher e

3 per haps t hei r medi a credent i al shoul d be l ooked i nt o?

4 A. Yes.5 Q. How many t i mes have you done t hat ?

6 A. I don' t know how many t i mes.

7 Q. What i s t he t i me or occasi ons t hat you wer e

8 t hi nki ng of when you answer ed yes t o my quest i on?

9 A. I don' t r emember speci f i c year s , but I do

10 r emember cont act i ng Det ect i ve Hassen about Mr .

11 Pl ayf or d and hi s behavi or.

12 Q. So obvi ousl y t hat woul d have been whi l e

13 Det ect i ve Hassen was t he PI O at t he San Di ego Pol i ce

14 Depar t ment , r i ght ?

15 A. Cor r ect .

16 Q. So t hat put s i t i nt o a t i me f r ame somewhat ?

17 A. Yes.18 Q. And was t her e anot her occasi on when you

19 cont act ed Det ect i ve Hassen or any ot her PI O over at

20 t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment about Mr . Pl ayf or d?

21 A. I bel i eve so, but I don' t r emember speci f i c

22 dat es or t i mes. Anot her PI O over t her e I j ust

23 r emember was Andr a, A- n- d- r - a, Br own, B- r - o- w- n. And

24 she was al so a co- PI O wi t h Det ect i ve Hassen.

25 Q. So you r emember at l east one t i me cont act i ng


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1 Det ect i ve Hassen about Mr . Pl ayf or d and hi s medi a

2 cr edent i al s?

3 A. Cor rect .

4 Q. At t hat t i me, di d you have cause t o bel i eve5 t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d had San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment


7 A. Yes, he di d, I bel i eve.

8 Q. Do you know i f your phone cal l t o t he

9 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment about Mr . Pl ayf or d and hi s

10 conduct l ed t o any act i on by t he San Di ego Pol i ce

11 Depar t ment ?

12 A. I don' t know.

13 Q. Di d t he San Di ego - - Det ect i ve Hassen ask

14 you f or addi t i onal i nf ormat i on?

15 A. I don' t r ecal l t hat .

16 Q. Ot her t han your phone cal l t o hi m, do you

17 r ecal l f ol l owi ng up on t he mat t er , t aki ng any ot her18 act i on?

19 A. No.

20 Q. Ar e you awar e of t he ci r cumst ances t hat l ed

21 t o Mr . Pl ayf or d havi ng medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he

22 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment at one t i me, but not

23 havi ng t hem now?

24 A. I under st and t hat he had cr edent i al s , and

25 t hen t hey wer e not r enewed by t he San Di ego Pol i ce


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1 Depar t ment . They woul d have t o answer t hat . Thi s i s

2 st r i ct l y f r om my memor y. And t hen he was i ssued

3 cr edent i al s agai n, and my under st andi ng i s t hat he has

4 l et t hem l apse.5 Q. Ot her t han Mr . Pl ayf or d, have you had

6 occasi on - - or have you cont act ed t he San Di ego Pol i ce

7 Depar t ment about an i ndi vi dual who has medi a

8 credent i al s i ssued by t he pol i ce depar t ment and

9 engaged i n conduct t hat you bel i eved i mpact ed, one,

10 whet her t hey shoul d have credent i al s or not ?

11 A. I ' m sor r y. Woul d you r epeat ?

12 Q. Sur e. Ot her t han Mr . Pl ayf or d, have you

13 cont act ed t he pol i ce depar t ment , t he San Di ego Pol i ce

14 Depar t ment , about any ot her i ndi vi dual wher e you' ve

15 had concer ns about t hei r conduct as r el at ed t o t hem

16 havi ng medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego

17 Pol i ce Depar t ment ?18 A. No.

19 Q. Do you know an i ndi vi dual - - not know. Ar e

20 you f ami l i ar wi t h t he name Ed Bai er , B- a- i - e- r ?

21 A. I ' ve hear d t he name.

22 Q. Any cont act s made by you t o t he San Di ego

23 Pol i ce Depar t ment about Ed Bai er ?

24 A. No, not t o my recol l ect i on, no.

25 Q. What i nf or mat i on do you r ecal l havi ng


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1 r ecei ved t hat causes you t o r emember t he name

2 Ed Bai er ?

3 A. Mr. Bai er wi l l occasi onal l y s end e- mai l s . I

4 don' t r emember speci f i cal l y what t hey concer n, but5 t hey' r e r ant i ng i n nat ur e. He wi l l cal l t he of f i ce

6 somet i mes l eavi ng messages, or he wi l l be upset about

7 somet hi ng. Agai n, I don' t r ecal l t he subj ect mat t er ,

8 but t hos e ar e i nf r equent .

9 Q. And t he e- mai l s , ar e t hey sent t o you?

10 A. They ar e.

11 Q. And t he voi ce mai l s , t hey' r e l ef t at your

12 number ?

13 A. They ar e not .

14 Q. At t he i nf ormat i on - - at t he Publ i c

15 I nf or mat i on Depar t ment ' s number ?

16 A. Yes, my admi ni st r at i ve assi st ant ' s number .

17 Q. Do you know i f Mr . Bai er has medi a18 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

19 A. My under st andi ng, he does not .

20 Q. And wher e woul d t hat under st andi ng come

21 f rom?

22 A. I bel i eve f r om Det ect i ve Hassen. I

23 under st and t hat Mr . Bai er was convi ct ed of a f el ony

24 and cannot have pr ess credent i al s.

25 Q. What woul d have caused you t o engage i n a


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1 conver sat i on wi t h Det ect i ve Hassen about t hat ?

2 A. I don' t r ecal l . I bel i eve i t woul d be i n

3 t he same conver sat i on as Mr . Pl ayf or d. I bel i eve

4 t hey' r e f r i ends.5 Q. And t hat conver sat i on woul d have occur r ed

6 back ar ound t he J une 2015 medi a conf er ence event ?

7 A. No.

8 Q. Bef or e or af t er ?

9 A. Bef or e.

10 Q. Ar e you f ami l i ar wi t h t he name J er r y Nance,

11 N- a- n- c- e?

12 A. Yes, I am.

13 Q. And do you know i f Mr . Nance has medi a


15 A. I under st and he does not .

16 Q. Wher e does t hat under st andi ng come f r om?

17 A. That comes f r om a quest i on t hat I asked18 yest er day at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment because

19 he' s goi ng t hr ough a t r i al now f or 148.

20 Q. What was your - - I ' m not qui t e sur e I

21 connect ed i t . I need you t o expl ai n. What was t he

22 r eason why you cont act ed Det ect i ve Hassen t o check on

23 Mr . Nance' s medi a cr edent i al s?

24 A. Det ect i ve Hassen r et i r ed a f ew year s ago.

25 I cont act ed Det ect i ve Mar k Her r i ng, H- e- r - r - i - n- g.


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1 And because t he assi st ant di st r i ct at t or ney cont acted

2 me as a wi t ness t o di scuss our pol i cy and pr ocedur e,

3 I di d some r esear ch t o see i f Mr . Nance had a val i d

4 medi a credent i al on t he dat e i n quest i on.5 Q. Wer e you abl e t o pr ovi de any pol i ci es and

6 pr ocedur es?

7 A. Pr ovi de any pol i ci es and pr ocedur es t o?

8 Q. I t hi nk you sai d t hat - - I ' m not sur e i f i t

9 was t he DA or t he i nvest i gat i on agency i nvol ved wi t h

10 Mr . Nance' s t r i al had cal l ed you - -

11 A. Cor r ect .

12 Q. - - t o ask - - we' l l go by memor y now. I

13 t hi nk you sai d t hey cal l ed you t o ask i f you had any

14 pol i ci es or pr ocedur es?

15 A. I pr ovi ded t hem our medi a gui de, as wel l as

16 our 7. 3.

17 ( Exhi bi t 1 was mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on by18 t he cour t r epor t er . )

19 BY MS. BAI RD:

20 Q. I f I coul d have t hi s marked as Pl ai nt i f f ' s

21 Exhi bi t 1. I s t hat t he way we do i t i n Cal i f or ni a?

22 We' ve had mar ked a ni ne- page document ent i t l ed " San

23 Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment Medi a Gui de. " And

24 I ' l l j ust ask you t o l ook at t hat t o, f i r s t , det er mi ne

25 i f you r ecogni ze i t , and t hen i f you do, t o det er mi ne


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1 i f i t ' s cur r ent .

2 A. Yes, t hi s i s cur r ent .

3 Q. I s t her e a way you coul d t el l t hat so f as t?

4 A. I br ought t he copy wi t h me.5 Q. Okay. And t hi s medi a gui de, Exhi bi t 1, i s

6 post ed at t he web page f or t he San Di ego Count y

7 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment , cor r ect ?


9 Q. And i t l ooks l i ke f r om what you br ought

10 t her e' s al so a pamphl et i n col or ver s i on.

11 A. Cor r ect .

12 Q. What i s avai l abl e f or t hose who come i n and

13 r equest a copy?


15 Q. And t hi s medi a gui de, whi ch i s Exhi bi t 1,

16 i s t he medi a gui de you woul d have pr ovi ded r esponsi ve

17 t o t he r equest f or pol i ci es and pr ocedur es?18 A. That i s cor r ect .

19 Q. And 7. 3, what ar e you r ef er r i ng t o when you

20 r ef er ence 7. 3?

21 A. That i s al s o onl i ne. That i s par t of our

22 P&P, and i t r el at es t o medi a r el at i ons .

23 Q. So t he P&P, pol i ci es and pr ocedur es f or t he

24 Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce medi a woul d be ei t her f ound

25 i n Exhi bi t 1 or Sect i on 7. 3, whi ch i s al so f ound on


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1 t he websi t e?

2 A. Cor rect .

3 Q. Any ot her i nf or mat i on t hat woul d be i ncl uded

4 as pol i ci es and pr ocedur es, ot her t han t hose t wo5 r esour ces we j ust named?

6 A. 7. 3 i s t he of f i ci al document .

7 Q. 7. 3 i s t he of f i ci al document ?

8 A. Cor rect .

9 Q. And t hen t he medi a gui de, whi ch i s

10 Exhi bi t 1, i s sor t of a user - f r i endl y websi t e summar y

11 of 7. 3. I s t hat f ai r ?

12 A. That i s f ai r .

13 ( Exhi bi t 2 was mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on by

14 t he cour t r epor t er . )

15 BY MS. BAI RD:

16 Q. I f I coul d have t hi s mar ked as Exhi bi t 2.

17 And you' r e goi ng t o have t o gi ve me a second now18 because I ' ve got t wo ot her copi es hi dden somewher e i n

19 my st apl es i n my document s her e.

20 Ms . Cal dwel l , i f I coul d j ust t ake t hat f r om you f or a

21 mi nut e.

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. There' s one par t i cul ar pl ace I want t o - - I

24 t hi nk I can do i t wi t hout r el yi ng on - - we j us t

25 r ef er r ed t o Sect i on D of Exhi bi t 2. Fi r s t of al l ,


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1 ar e you f ami l i ar i n your capaci t y as the publ i c

2 i nf or mat i on of f i cer wi t h 409. 5?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Sect i on 409. 5?5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And di r ecti ng your at t ent i on t o Subsecti on D

7 of 409. 5 wher e i t r ef er ences member s of t he news

8 medi a. Do you see t hat ?

9 A. Sect i on D?

10 Q. Yes.

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. I s t he pr ot ocol - - l et me ask i t t hi s way.

13 I s i t t he pr ot ocol of t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s

14 Depar t ment t hat t he medi a r ef er enced i n Subsect i on D

15 of 409. 5 i ncl udes onl y t hose i ndi vi dual s or

16 or gani zat i ons who have been cr edent i al ed by l aw

17 enf or cement agenci es?18 A. Or t hose who pur por t t o be medi a.

19 Q. Does t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s

20 Depar t ment r ecogni ze t hose who pur por t t o be medi a as

21 t he medi a i f t hey don' t have credent i al s i ssued by l aw

22 enf or cement agency?

23 MR. CHAPI N: Obj ect as vague.

24 BY MS. BAI RD:

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1 "pur por t t o be medi a. " Fr om my per spect i ve, t he wor d

2 "pur por t " means somebody cl ai ms somet hi ng but i t ' s not

3 r eal l y t r ue. I don' t know i f t hat ' s what you meant or

4 not . I ' m goi ng t o t r y t o ask you quest i ons t o t r y t o5 f i gur e t hat out .

6 Exhi bi t 2, Subsect i on D of 409. 5 r ef er ences news medi a.

7 Do you see t hat ?

8 A. I t says: " Not hi ng i n t hi s sect i on shal l

9 pr event a dul y aut hor i zed r epr esent at i ve of any news

10 ser vi ce, newspaper , or r adi o or t el evi s i on s tat i on or

11 net wor k f r om ent er i ng t he ar eas cl osed pur suant t o

12 t hi s sect i on. "

13 Q. And t hose cat egor i es t hat you j ust r ead f r om

14 Subsect i on D of 409. 5, my quest i on i s : I s i t t he

15 pr ot ocol of t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment

16 t o onl y r ecogni ze t hose r ef er enced i n Subsect i on D i f

17 t hey have medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by l aw enf or cement18 agency?

19 A. I t hi nk I under st and what you mean, but I ' m

20 not sur e i f I ' m cl ear st i l l .

21 Q. We need t o have anot her copy of t hat . I

22 have t o ei t her f i nd mi ne or get anot her copy.

23 MR. CHAPI N: You want t o t ake a t en- mi nut e

24 br eak?

25 MS. BAI RD: Yeah.


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1 ( Recess t aken. )

2 BY MS. BAI RD:

3 Q. Ms. Cal dwel l , I t hi nk you have Exhi bi t 1 and

4 Exhi bi t 2 i n f r ont of you.5 A. Cor rect .

6 Q. And i f I coul d di r ect your at t ent i on t o

7 page 8 of Exhi bi t 1.

8 A. Cor rect .

9 Q. To t he l ast sent ence on page 8 wher e i t

10 st at es: "Absent of f i ci al gover nment medi a

11 credent i al s, access pur suant t o 409. 5 penal code wi l l

12 be gr ant ed on a case- by- case basi s upon pr esent at i on

13 of i nf or mat i on compl yi ng wi t h 409. 5 penal code. "

14 Okay. So does t he San Di ego Count y

15 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment have a pol i cy or pr ocedur e f or

16 det er mi ni ng, on a case- by- case basi s , i f access wi l l

17 be gr ant ed pur suant t o 409. 5?18 A. I woul d have t o l ook at t he pol i cy and see

19 i t , but i t woul d r equi r e t he cur r ent val i d San Di ego

20 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a credent i al .

21 Q. Now, do you agr ee t hat t he sent ence I j ust

22 r ead on page 8 of Exhi bi t 1 t hat begi ns wi t h: " Absent

23 of f i ci al gover nment medi a cr edent i al s"?

24 A. What was your quest i on wi t h t hat ? I ' m

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1 Q. Do you agr ee wi t h t he f i r s t par t of t he l as t

2 sent ence on page 8 of Exhi bi t 1 t hat begi ns wi t h:

3 "Absent of f i ci al gover nment medi a credent i al s"?

4 A. Yes , I woul d agr ee wi t h t hi s sent ence.5 Q. And do you agr ee t hat woul d mean someone

6 woul d not have t he val i d San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment

7 i s sued medi a cr edent i al s ?

8 A. Your quest i on agai n i s?

9 Q. Do you agr ee t hat i f someone i s absent

10 of f i ci al gover nment medi a credent i al s, t hen t hey woul d

11 not have t he val i d San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued


13 A. Cor r ect .

14 Q. That l ast sent ence on page 8 of Exhi bi t 1

15 i s ref er r i ng t o a per son who i s absent of f i ci al

16 gover nment medi a cr edent i al s. And my quest i on i s t o

17 you: What pol i ci es or pr ocedur es det er mi ne, on a18 case- by- case basi s, when someone who doesn' t have t he

19 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a cr edent i al s

20 can be gr ant ed access under 409. 5?

21 A. These det er mi nat i ons we' r e t al ki ng about ,

22 medi a access at di sast er scenes. So t hese

23 det er mi nat i ons ar e made by t he f r ont - l i ne deput i es at

24 t he scene.

25 Q. So t he f r ont - l i ne deput i es have t he


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1 di scr et i on t o gr ant , on a case- by- case bas i s , access

2 t o di sast er scenes, even t hough an i ndi vi dual does not

3 have t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a

4 cr edent i al s?5 A. As i t ' s wr i t t en, "on a case- by- case bas i s ,

6 upon pr esent at i on of i nf or mat i on compl yi ng wi t h

7 409. 5P. C. "

8 Q. And what i nf or mat i on woul d compl y wi t h

9 409. 5P. C. t o al l ow access t o someone who di dn' t have


11 Depar t ment ?

12 A. Agai n, t hat ' s not made by me. I ' m not at

13 t he scene gener al l y. I ' m not at t he scene of a

14 di sast er . I ' m somewher e el se. So t hese ar e deput i es

15 maki ng t hat deci si on. But I can opi ne f or you t hat

16 woul d be someone, say, f r om t he Los Angel es ar ea t hat

17 has NBC or maj or net wor k cr edent i al s. And t hey mi ght18 make t hat det er mi nat i on on a case- by- case basi s wher e

19 t hey woul d be gr ant ed access.

20 Q. Even t hough t hi s NBC or maj or net wor k

21 i ndi vi dual or agency di dn' t have a val i d San Di ego

22 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a credent i al , or any

23 gover nment cr edent i al , on a case- by- case basi s t hey

24 may be al l owed i nt o, I t hi nk you sai d i t , a di sas ter

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1 A. That mi ght be t he case.

2 Q. Now, do you agr ee t hat 409. 5 doesn' t j ust

3 deal wi t h di sast er s?

4 A. Cor rect .5 Q. I t al so deal s wi t h acci dent s?

6 MR. CHAPI N: Obj ect i on. Quest i on i s cal l i ng

7 f or a l egal opi ni on and concl us i on.

8 BY MS. BAI RD:

9 Q. Okay. Fai r enough. For t he of f i cer s out

10 actual l y at t he scenes, what t r ai ni ng do t hey r ecei ve,

11 i f you know, r egar di ng medi a access t o acci dent scenes

12 or di sast er ar eas?

13 A. The medi a t r ai ni ng done i n t he academy i s

14 conduct ed by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment .

15 Q. Okay. So t he deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego

16 Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment at t end t he San Di ego

17 Pol i ce Depar t ment academy?18 A. I t ' s not t he pol i ce depar t ment academy.

19 I t ' s t he Regi onal Law Enf or cement Academy at Mi r amar

20 Col l ege. And t he speci f i c t r ai ni ng r egar di ng medi a i s

21 conduct ed by t he PI O f or t he San Di ego Pol i ce

22 Depar t ment . I don' t conduct that t r ai ni ng, so I don' t

23 know what i s gi ven.

24 Q. So t he publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer f or t he

25 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i s t he one t asked wi t h


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1 t r ai ni ng t he of f i cer s at t he r egi onal academy?

2 A. On t he bl ock of medi a, cor r ect .

3 Q. On t he bl ock of medi a. And do you have any

4 i dea what t hat t r ai ni ng ent ai l s?5 A. I do not .

6 Q. Have you ever seen a t r ai ni ng manual ?

7 A. I have not .

8 Q. Have you ever di scussed wi t h any PI O at t he

9 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment about what t r ai ni ng t hey

10 gi ve at t he r egi onal academy?

11 A. I have not .

12 Q. Have you ever gone and sat i n on any of t he

13 t r ai ni ng your sel f t hat ' s gi ven at t he r egi onal

14 academy?

15 A. I have not .

16 Q. Si t t i ng her e t oday, you have no i dea how

17 deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s18 Depar t ment ar e t r ai ned wi t h r egar d t o medi a?

19 A. I do not si t i n on t he t r ai ni ng, so I do not

20 know.

21 Q. Do any deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego - - when I

22 say deput i es, I don' t want t o get t he l anguage

23 i ncor r ect . I ' m r ef er r i ng t o swor n of f i cer s .

24 A. Deput i es, yes.

25 Q. Have any deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego Count y


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1 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment come t o you wi t h quest i ons about

2 handl i ng t he medi a out i n t he f i el d or at scenes?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. Ar e you abl e t o r ecal l exact l y how many5 t i mes?

6 A. Many t i mes . I coul dn' t t el l you exact l y how

7 many.

8 Q. So i t ' s happened on a number of occasi ons,

9 so many t hat you can' t si t t her e and r ecal l how many?

10 A. Fr equent l y, yes.

11 Q. Do you have a pr ot ocol f or r espondi ng t o

12 t hei r quest i ons?

13 A. Depends on t he quest i on t hey ask, but I do

14 t he best t o answer t o t he best of my abi l i t y.

15 Q. Do you ever r ef er t hem t o t he publ i c

16 i nf or mat i on of f i cer at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment

17 t o ask quest i ons?18 A. No.

19 Q. Do t hey ever say t o you - - or has t her e ever

20 been an i nst ance wher e any of t hese i ndi vi dual s have

21 sai d t o you, wel l , t hat ' s not how we wer e t r ai ned at

22 t he r egi onal academy by t he publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer

23 at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

24 A. No.

25 Q. So do you have any i dea i f what you' r e


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1 r espondi ng t o t he deput y' s quest i ons wi t h i s

2 consi st ent wi t h how deput i es ar e bei ng t r ai ned at t he

3 regi onal academy?

4 A. I ' m sor r y. One more t i me.5 Q. I s i t f ai r t o say t hat i n some of t he

6 i nst ances wher e t he deput i es have asked you quest i ons

7 about handl i ng t he medi a i n t he f i el d, you' ve

8 r esponded t o t hem?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. You' ve at t empt ed t o answer t hei r quest i ons?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. When you' ve done t hat , do you have any i dea

13 i f what you' r e t el l i ng t hem i s cons i s tent wi t h how

14 t hey wer e t r ai ned at t he r egi onal academy by t he PI O

15 f or t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?

16 A. I t ' s pr et t y st r ai ght f or war d. I bel i eve

17 i t ' s i n l i ne.18 Q. And what gi ves you t hat bel i ef ?

19 A. Because we oper at e at scenes i n t he same

20 way.

21 Q. The San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment

22 and t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment oper at es t he same

23 way?

24 A. That ' s been my obser vat i on.

25 Q. Have you ever engaged i n any pr esent at i ons


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1 or t r ai ni ng of deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego Count y

2 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment r egar di ng handl i ng t he medi a out

3 i n t he f i el d?

4 A. Yes, I have.5 Q. Do t hose t r ai ni ngs occur on a schedul ed

6 basi s?

7 A. I bel i eve so.

8 Q. Ar e t hey schedul ed i n t er ms of deput i es

9 recei ve t he t rai ni ng at var i ous mi l epos t s i n t hei r

10 car eer , or do you schedul e t he t r ai ni ng once a year ?

11 What ' s t he f r equency of t he t r ai ni ng?

12 A. I don' t schedul e t he t rai ni ng. The t r ai ni ng

13 uni t does t hat . And t hey cal l me and ask i f I woul d

14 speak.

15 Q. How of t en has t hat occur r ed i n t he past t en

16 year s?

17 A. I don' t have a l i st , but i t happens , I woul d18 est i mat e, t wo t o t hr ee t i mes .

19 Let me back up. Maybe one t o t wo - - once or

20 t wi ce a year. And t he f i r s t t i me I f ound t hat I di d

21 t r ai ni ng was i n 2008.

22 Q. So i t sounds l i ke maybe 15 or 16 t i mes

23 you' ve done t he t r ai ni ng?

24 A. Yes.

25 Q. And has t he t r ai ni ng been t he same f r om 2008


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1 t o now, or have you been asked t o addr ess di f f er ent

2 t hi ngs?

3 A. They' r e new si t uat i ons t hat come up, new

4 dynami cs t hat ar i se l ocal l y and nat i onal l y, so I adapt5 t he t r ai ni ng t o t hat . I al so adapt t he t r ai ni ng t o

6 t he audi ence.

7 Q. I s t he audi ence compr i sed of deput i es?

8 A. Not al ways.

9 Q. And who el se may at t end?

10 A. I have conduct ed t r ai ni ng at t he academy f or

11 new det ent i ons deput i es. I have conduct ed t r ai ni ng at

12 Ri dgehaven, our admi ni st r at i ve headquar t er s, f or bot h

13 swor n and pr of essi onal s taf f , new super vi sor s . I ' ve

14 pr ovi ded t r ai ni ng f or new ser geant s. And I have been

15 asked t o pr ovi de t r ai ni ng on medi a t o t he r egi onal

16 t r ai ni ng cent er her e i n San Di ego whi ch t r ai ns new

17 l i eut enant s f rom t hroughout t he s tat e.18 Q. The r egi onal t r ai ni ng cent er t hat t r ai ns new

19 l i eut enant s t hr oughout t he s tat e, i s that di f f er ent

20 f r om t he r egi onal academy t hat we t al ked about t hat

21 t r ai ns new of f i cer s?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. Goi ng back t o Exhi bi t 1 on page 8, t he medi a

24 gui de, has any of t he t r ai ni ng t hat you' ve pr ovi ded

25 addr ess t he di scr et i on t hat on- scene of f i cer s have t o


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1 gr ant , on a case- by- case basi s, access t o scenes, even

2 t hough t hey don' t have of f i ci al gover nment medi a

3 cr edent i al s?

4 A. Not speci f i cal l y, t o my knowl edge.5 Q. Has i t addres sed i t per i pher al l y?

6 A. Maybe per i pheral l y.

7 Q. Si t t i ng her e t oday, what do you r ecal l about

8 even per i pher al r ef er ences you' ve made t o t hat

9 di scr et i on?

10 A. Based on t he f act t hat we' ve had t wo ver y

11 l ar ge wi l df i r es her e, 2003, 2007, we t r ai n f or t hat .

12 And we ar e f ami l i ar wi t h t hese di sast er scenes, and

13 t he deput i es and of f i cer s ar ound t he count y ar e. And

14 so we di scuss gr ant i ng access t o t he medi a ver sus

15 ci vi l i ans.

16 Q. When you say t he medi a, agai n, ar e you

17 r ef er r i ng t o onl y t hose who have San Di ego Pol i ce18 Depar t ment i ssued medi a cr edent i al s or ot her l aw

19 enf or cement credent i al s?

20 A. Wel l , agai n, I ' m not on t he f r ont scenes of

21 a di sast er . And t he deput i es, dependi ng on wher e t hey

22 ar e, woul d pr obabl y al l ow peopl e t hr ough t hat don' t

23 al ways have t he gover nment - i ssued or t he l ar gel y

24 r ecogni zed cr edent i al .

25 Q. Have you pr ovi ded any t r ai ni ng wi t h r egar d


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1 t o a st andar d f or who you al l ow i n t o i nst ances l i ke

2 t he wi l df i r es i n 2003 and 2007 who di dn' t have t he

3 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a cr edent i al s?

4 A. I don' t r ecal l t hat speci f i cal l y, no.5 Q. Wel l , s i t t i ng her e t oday, do you have i n

6 your mi nd a st andar d of who woul d be l et i nt o, f or

7 exampl e, i nci dent s such as t he 2003 and 2007

8 wi l df i r es, even t hough t hey di dn' t have t he San Di ego

9 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a credent i al s?

10 A. Wel l , agai n, i t s ays i t ' s gr ant ed on a

11 case- by- case basi s, absent t he of f i ci al gover nment

12 medi a credent i al s. And t hat

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