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05/10(1999

Chris Tibaldo, date of birth 9/8/1981, 7444 South ZephyrCourt, Littleton, Colorado 80123 was interviewed by Federal Bureauof Investigation (FB!) Speoial Agent (sAl Matthew R. Hellman andColorado State Patrol (CSP) Investigator Perry J. Powell in thepresence of his mother Diana Graves and his attorney Scott Baroway,at the law offices of Dawson and Baroway, 3677 S. Huron Street#105, Englewood, Colorado 80110. After being advised of theidentity of the interviewing agents and the nature of theinterview, Tibaldo provided the following information:

Tibaldo knew both Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, shootersin the attack on Columbine High School. Tibaldo did not knowHarris very well, he only sat near Harris at lunch and saw him oncein a while before school. Harris seemed to be fairly quiet.Tibaldo knew Klebold better than he knew Harris. Tibaldo, Kleboldand Zach Heckler hung out in the computer lab together, puttingtogether computers for the school. They also shared knowledgeabout the "Linux" operating system, though Klebold and Heckler knewrelatively little about it compared to Tibalda. Klebold seemedlike a happy person and did not talk about killing. Klebold wouldgive Tibaldo a ride home from school on occasion. Tibaldo had notseen Klebold for several months because Tibaldo quit going toschool at CHS and hasn't been there since around January 4, 1999.

Tibaldo had been attending Warren Tech High SchOOl butdropped out recently to pursue either a career or college.

On April 20, 1999, Tibaldo was awakened, at home, by hismother at approximately 2,30 P.M. She told him about the shootingthat was going on at school. Tibaldo called his friend ZachHeckler and spoke to his mother who said that Zach was OK. He thencalled Heckle~s girlfriend, Devon Adams and spoke to her sisterwho said that Devon was OK. Neither Adams nor Heckler knew ofKlebold's whereabouts. Tibaldo had heard on the news that theshooters were wearing trench coats and was concerned about thepeople he knew. He called Adam's house again around 6:00 ~.M. andHeckler was there. Still, no one had heard from Klebold.

Tibaldo only knew by name Chris Morris and Zach Heckleras being associates of Harris and Klebold. There were others thatTibaldo did not know or talk to. Tibaldo feels that if there was

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anyone else involved with the attack, it may be""""""" Hedoes not think that Zach Heckler was involved wi~k.Because Tibaldo has not attended CHS in the last several months,he has not seen Klebold or Harris for a long time. Whileattending CHS, Tibaldo never saw Klebold or Harris hanging aroundwith anyone that wasn't a student .

............. talked about guns a lot. He said that he

INisevera~ibaldO could not recall any specifics.

has a very short temper; he gees veryJitg very quicklysily. Tibaldo never really talked to because he did

not want ::0 get on" bad side. Tibald that""has issues. U

Tibaldo knows that Klebold and Harris used the Internetbut never saw any messages or use that was unusual. Tibaldo,Heckler and Klebold would communicate using Internet Relay Chat(IRC) on occasion. They typically talked about "Linux." Tibaldodoes not know if Klehold talked with anyone else on IRC. Chrisdid not play games with Klebold or Harris because games bore him.He does know that Klebold played a lot of "Quake."

Tibaldo set up his own Domain server on the Internetcalled "lightened.com.< His e-mail address isblade@lightened.com. Zach Heckler used to have an a-mail addresswith him of Kibbz@lightened.com. Heckler also had an e-mailaddress of Kibbz@concentric.net. If it's available, Tibaldo usesthe nickname "blade" when he enters chat rooms. Sometimes hewill alter it slightly such as "bladeA< if "blade" is alreadytaken. Tibaldo frequently participates in chat rooms using IRC.There are some people who he has had contact with for aver threeyears. These people even have his telephone number and call himonce in a while. Tibaldo also has accounts at Netzero andEarthlink. Tibaldo's mother has an America On Line account.

Flacko and Brian Ford. Tibaldo met Ford at CHS during freshmanyear, about two years ago. Ford dropped out of school so that hecould work. Ford currently works as a cook at Pasta's ItalianRestaurant. Ford's e-mail addressiscash@lightened.com. Fordalso has his own computer.

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Chris Tibaldo

Tibalda has never made any bombs with the exception ofone time he put water and Alka Seltzer in a closed container, butit didn't do anything.

Tibalda has never said anything that could be mistakenas a threat. He has said that he hates his school. Tibaldo hasnever sai~ ;hat h~heiped make the bombs, helped map where thebombs shodld be placed, that he was the third shooter or that he

. knew ~omeone else who was involved.

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Colorado State PatrolInvestigative Services Section

Columbine High School Incident

Control Number: U4S05/11199Date of Report: _"""'"'"""'=-_'typ$ClPriDt Ntme:: (~1lIllId4by) SigM.nln: lBMNIll:Dl:wf:

Perry!'<>well 1MichaelJeffries '" ~ ~"I 7160,!nlerViewof ChriSlopbel' JamesTibakloon 05/10/99 The Interview tookptaceat 3677S Huron St. # 105.Altomey ScottBarowav' s olIice. Presentduringthe interview wereChristopher Tibo1do, Diana Graves(Tibaldo'5mother). Attorney Scot! Baroway. FBI AgentMan Hellman and CSP Inv P=y Powell.

Subject: Christopher James TibaldoDOB' 09/08/81SSN' 521·55...9037.j.1.j S Zep!lyr Ct.Linleton, Colorndo 80123

Christopher stated he knew both Eric and Dylan. Chrismpher usedto sit with Eric at a tableat Columbine HighSchool Eric wasvery quile Did not knowmuch llbout Eric. ClIri$o>pher knew Dylanfrom ComputerLab inScbool HasknownDylan forapproximately one year

Christopher last went 10 Columbine High in fall of 1998. port time. Hasbeen enrolled in WarrenTech. for the lastyear. !Jut di<t notcomplete .he tluee semesrefll he need.Has IlOl beenin Wam:nTech. sinceMarch of.his yearChristopher stated he has notbeen in Columbine Highsince lanlllll'l' -l~ or 5" of this year.

OnApril 20~. Christopherstated he was homesleepingwhenthe illC1tlenl occurred Diana Graves, Christopher'smother. statedshe wokeChristopherup around 2'30 [0 300 PMso he couldwatchthe newson TV Christopher,nunedialely started calling all his friends ttl see if they werealright. ChriSlopher was Wlllble ttl conlaCl Dylananddid not known what10think. Cbristcpber was able to contaelZach illlll Devon Adams. Around6.00 PMChristopher calledDevon Adamsand Zacb was there withher. Fromthe desenption they werehearing onTV theyknewthat one ofthe patties involved was Dylan

The onlypeople Christopherknew thai hung arowtdwith DylanwereChrisMorrisand Zach, Zach was Dylan'sbest friend

Christopher wouldhang outwith Arrea Bosswelt Brain F<>fd and GavinFIackn.

Christopher staledhe does not feelanyoneelse was involved, Whenasked what should happento anyoneelseinvolved Chnsiopnerslated "Theyshould be pu1 injail forthe rest of their life. no body deserves to die.'

Christopher stated if anyone else was involved it wouldbe~way. talkedaboutguns a lot andbed a veryquicktemper.

Chrimpher stated the personhe wouldsay would be the last ttl he involved wouldhe Zach, Zach wookI neverbeinvolved witnanything like thet Anybody in their right mind wouldturn someone in if theywere involved

Chrismpher neverheard anything aboutbombs or the incidentprior to it occurring. Chri510pher has not seen

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Chris Morrissincebefore the bombing. Christopher neverplayed around makingbombs, exceptapproximately 4yearsago he experimented with Alka·sellzerand water Putcapon end ofbottle andsbake it but nothinghappened

Christopher statedza,;b and Dylanwerenot computer wizards . He never seeneither of them use Internet to sayanythingweird.Dylan. Zach and Christopher would get intoacharroom on IRCand talkoncein a while, Mostlythey would talkaboutLinnx programing.

Christopher uses NetO for serverandhis mother(Diana Graves) uses AOLas herserver

Christopher suppliedthe following e-mail_:

Christr~r.~~~~~:'!lzaen-BrianFord· .

Christopher nevergot into playinggameson the computer or on the Internet,

Christopher never made anytype of statementthatcouldbetaIren in anyway to associate him with the Columbineincident, Christopaer knows of noone whowould say he was illV<llved in anyway, Noone dislike. him enough tosay anythinglike that,

Christopher statedhe has never said nor mnde any statement concerningthe following:I) Anything to the effect he helpedmake the bombs,2) Anything10the effect he wasor knewanythJng nbom n third shooterj) Anythingto the etree! he helpedmap out the areaor ilSSi.ted in placingthe bombsin Columbine High,

Christopher Sl3ted there is nothingon the COJ:!lPtll1'l' we seizedfrom hi. residence that be is concerned aboutThere i. nothing on the computersto iltdi<:ale he is invctved in the mcideat.

Christopher advised be i. willingto lllke a lie detector test, whicbhe wouldpass with no problem,

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PROGRESS REPORT I cam)call 99-16215INY. CHRISTOPHER A. ~OSCASE TYPE: Assist to Jeffer$on County sher1ff ls OfficeDATE TYPED' April 23, 1999

On Ap~11 23, 1999 at 1112 hours I received a phone call from a male whQwould only identify himaelf .~:

Warren

Warren stated that last night he was in an IRe chat room:

Two users in the room identified only as:

cuh

Slade

c:lai..l'lted to be members of the Trench Coat Mafia.qat qun3 from the:

Arian Militia

free of charge b_eause of a promise to conduct the assault on Hitlertsbirthday. Cash and Blade said they helped make the pipe bomb. and werein the Library when Eric cwme in, anct they wete allowed to escape. Oneof them olaimed to be the third gunman.

Warren recorded one of the session" but was unable to reco~d the other$ession.

He would transmit the eeecrded information to me via e-mail. I alsosent him an email request1ng for him to send a written statement ofwhat he could remember from. the- mi.tJsing ehat room recording'. Warrensaid that hi$ email address was:

deeiay@enpdand.net

As of April 23, 1999 , 1443 hours , I have not received a t'eply fromWarren.

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Witness

EricAlan Veik DOB 09-07-82622 WestFremont DriveLiuletce, CO 80128

Ph. (303)933-7404

Investigation

On 04-20-99 at about2000 hours.] interviewed Eric vetk at Leawood Elemenwy Schoolin the presenceof !tis &,,:1>.... GaryVeik. Eric stated thathe bad infcrmatien abouttheshooting,that oocutredatCohunbine High School Eric statedthe suspects were members of theTrenchCoatMafi.. He identifiedthe members as EricHarris. DylonKlebcld,Rob(lastnomeunknown) andChris Mom..

Eric Staled thathe knewthe suspects from!lis videoprodllctioos classat scacol, He said themembers ofthe TrenchCoatMafia wore;Iack clothinll andtrenchcoats, He statedthey"intimidote everyone" and"retaliateagainst peoplewho insult them", ErieVeil< saidlilathe knewby thedescriptions of the shoetersthat ODe of them W3S Eric Harris. Eric Harris bad made some reference to"graduation was coming up" and"Apri120.... Hitler', Birthday",

EricVeik statedthat be badhelped 'everal memOers of theTrenchCoatMafiamake somemovies. Thelast moviehe belpedthemwith wascalled"Revenge fer Hire". EricVeik'laUldbeplayeda guy in needand lbe members of the TrenchCoat Mafiashot peoplewithplastic W""JlODS \0 avengehim. Eric said tha.tewere a lot of othervideotapes modein wbiehllarris and KJebold simulated violentacts. Ericveik 'tatedthat thereweretwo video' at Columbine HighSchoo! mode by ffarris andKlebotdthat had beengiven totheir video teacher, GaryTalocccfor grading, Ericsald that on tho'" videos, Harris and KJebold said thatthey had access to guns. bomb ""Ipe, from the intemetandtalkedaboutexplosives. EricVeiksaid thatthe TrenchCoatMum targetany"ethnicgroup", Heesumared therewereaboutl; members ofthi.group.

Eric Velkhandedme a videotape ofHarris andKlebold thatbebad in hi. poasesston, This videotapewassecuredandlatergiven to Investigator Olano Obbema to beplacedin thelCSO evidencevault Eric saidthat be badmore tapes in !tis bockp""k at school. Columbine TaskForcemembers later recovered thesetapes.

EricVeik concluded the interview by stating lilatNickR<>manyshyn bad toldhim thatRachel Scott,afriendofEricVeik, was shot Olld killed. EricYeik stated that Brooks Brown was told ten minutesbeforetheshootings began to getout of schoolby DylonKJebold who also toldBrown,"I likeyou".

I obtainedcontactnumbers for Eric Veil< and \Old him a morein-depth interview wouldbe conducted in thonear future.

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EricVeik,dobI09.Q7·826222 West Fremont DriveLittleton. Colorado 80128(303)933-74(17

Studentat Columbine H5

INVESTIGATION:

On 04-21·99. I was advised by Deputy Scott Eddy that an individual. identifying himselfas Eric Veik, had informed him that

he had taken video footage cf'the two suspects the previous week. The videotapes containing that footage were ina classroom

just off the math hallway. I contacted Lab Supervisor Chris Andrist and advised him of the location of this newevidence

Andrist requested that I assist him in locating the videotapes. Weentered the high school and located the tapes contained in

a plastic bag,along with black leathertype Cameracarrying bag,on the 1100r next to a desk in classroom MA-IO On top of

thedeskwherethe cameraand videotapes werelocated wasan unfinished Algebra exam. On the top of the examwasthename.

•ric Veik.

On04-22-99.1 wasassigned to interview EricVeikat theJefferson County Sheriff'sOffice. Veikhad voluntarily cometo the

Officewithhis father because he wanted (0 talk with somebody regarding hisvideotapes. Veik was interviewed bySergeant

ChrisTomfordand myself in an Investigations interview room.

Veik stated that a friendof his. Rachel Scott, had been a victim in theshootingat Columbine High School on 04-20-99 He

stated he first met Eric Harris and DylanKlebold in a video production classthey hadall taken together the previous semester

Harris was in the first hourclass withYeik,and Klebold was in thesameclass duringthesecond hour. Veikstatedtheteacher

had pUI the students in groups and given them assignments for video productions. In Veik's group was Harris and Mike

Vendengia, Klebold oftenJoinedtheirgroup in brainstorming sessions to come up with ideas far videos. Veikstated Klebold

wouldoftendropby their first hourclass in order to talkwith Harris, Veikstated there were three to four productions made.

The features ran anywhere from live minutesup 10 twenty.

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The first video project was an interview with a teacher named Mr. Long. The video was to feature Mike Vendengia as the

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interviewer, Harris wasnot thrilled about the idea,so theydecided todo a practice interview, In the practiceinterview, Harris

pretended to he Me Long, and Vendengia was the interviewer, While the practiceInterview was being filmed. Harris made

manyside comments, In response to the interviewer's question about whatkind of technology was used to keep the school

computers safe, Harris replied,"I use a shotgun. I keep the old shotgun underthe desk:' In response to the question about

keeping up withgrowing technology, Harris replied, -I usedrugs:' Klebold was nota part of this interview. nor was hea part

of the next video which involved the car chase.

In a written statement by Veik, which( requested he writepnor to our interview beingconcluded, Veik included information

aboutthe car chasevideo. It was patterned aftertheTV program "COl'S:' and it was titled "CHS Highway Patrol." Vendengia

and a friend of his, Chris Walker. were the cops who had separate vehicles. They were patrolling behind the McDonald's

located on W.CoalmineAvenue, easton S. PierceSt. In thisvideo they tind Veikand Harris beatingup a person (dummy)

Veikand Harris then pick up the "person" and throwhim in thetrunk of Harris' car. The two are then chased by the"police

officers" to ClementPark where they are stoppedand arrested.

The next video wasgoing to be filmed outsideof Blackjack Pizza where Harris and Klebold work. It wasgoingto be an into­

mercia! about a car wax. in the skit, they used a bike. Vendengia was the consumer. Harris and Kleboid were doing a

demonstration, and they were droppingrandom objectson the bike. One scene included Harris with a crow bar and Klebcid

witha sledge hammer. completely demolishing thebike. Veik Slated thisproduction wasneverfilmed because theylostinteres:

in the idea.

Veikstated that in Harris' spare time,Harris wouldcompile Hollywood movies which hadaction and weapons in it. He's make

it into a music video, No one from the school group starred in it. The music that Harris used was a hard rock song called

"Fire:' All thescenesin the video involved clipsof weapons. explosives. anddestruction from themovies, Someof themovies

usedwere "TerminatorII," "Heat," "StarshipTroopers:' "Alien,"and"Predator."

VeikstatedHarris and Klebold askedhimto filma videoforthem thattheyneeded in theirGovernment Economics class. The

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assignment was to create a business. Harrisand Klebold cameup with the ideaof being hitman, The tnle of the video was

"Hitmanfor Hire." The original titlewas"Revengefor Hire." In thevideo. Harris and Klebold were the hitmen, Veikwas the

victim,and Vendengia was the jock whowas harassing Veik. Harris and Klebold used replicas of guns and spokeof killing

In the video. Veikstated he never heard if this video wassuccessful in the class Harris was doing it for.

In the"Hirman for Hire"Video, thejock character is harassing veik, who is verysmallin stature. Hams and KleboJd are then

sent to protect Veik, The two woretheir trench coats and reflective glasses as part oftheir hitmen attire. Veik recalled a few

specific scenesin the video. Inone scenethejock character is shotand killed by Hartis and Kleboldafter they pullout a gun

and shoothim. Velkstated thata BS gun wasused inthe video. In another scene, whichVeik referred to as the"intimidation

scene", Harris and Klebold look into the cameraas if thecamera were the person they werespeaking to. They then began 10

yell and curse into the camera, This video was filmed behind the Cooper7 theater near the Blackjack Pizzawhich Harris

worked.

The lastvideo thatVeik worked on with Hartisand KlehoJd was titled "RadioActiveClothing." This wasapproximately 16

minutes long, and was taken from the movie, "Vampires". starring James Woods. Harris and Klebold were rhe stars .n the

video, and they used replicaweapons in the filming of it This was for Mr.Taloccos' class. The plot involved a small group

of peoplegoingfrom town to town.stopping radioactive clothing from taking over the world. Veikstated theplotwaswritten

by Harris and Klebold. As they were filming, Veik noticed that the two werebeingextremely blunt He askedthem about it.

and they responded, "Who cares, Taloccos is the only person tha; is going to see it, and he won't care." Harris was using

military strategy in partsof this video. VeikSUited that in theplotheandVendengiaget injured, and Hartis and Klebold figure

out a way to save them. The movieendswith a very large explosion from a house. This partofthe video wascreated by using

editingtechnology Veik statedthere were no explosives or live ammunition actually used in the video.

Veik remembers another idea whichwas never filmed. Hestated the plotsof this video had Vendengiaand Walker as cops

tryingto solvea murder. Veik pretendsto be a cop. but is really working for Hartiswho is the murderer.

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Veik also filmed a couple of introductions to the RNN. which stands for the Rebel News Network. RNN is the Columbine

School network, Inone introduction. Kiebold isalone onthestreet, HespiUs lighter fluid on thestreet. and then throws a match

on it. When the lighterfluid lights up, it spellsout the letters RNN, VeikSlated this introduction was playedover the school

network,

Asecondinrroducnon featured Hams in theschool studio inhistrench coat. Hams bendsover,and withhis twohands, begins

to lift something that he has picked up off theground, Through special technology. therewasa balloflighr on the ground that

Hams was picking up, As he lifts the light higher. it explodes, and the explosion fills the screen with flickering lights, It is

unknown if this was aired.

Veikstated he has not beento Klebold'shouse. Hestated he hasbeento Hams' houseonce, inorder to See whether or not the

house could beusedforone of their videos, Veikdidnotobserve anything duringthe visitthatconcerned him, suchas weapons

or bomb making materials,

Veik does remember a time in whichHams toldhimthat a person could learn to make bombsfrom information found on the

Internet, Herecalls Hams saying, "Anyonecoulddo it." Veik Slated ZachHeckler told him that Hams' mom hadfound a large

bomb. Hams referred to as "Atlanta," This was a reference to theOlympic bombingin Atlanta, Veiksaid she had found It

within the lastyear, Hecklertold himabout this twonights after theColumbine shootings, Veikstatedhe spentthe twonights

after theshooting with Rene Concella, On the second night was when Zach Heckler cameto the houseand talked withhim,

Veik also stated that Heckler told him that he knew who had given the guns to Harris and Kleboid, which were used in the

shooting at Columbine High School. Veik slated Heckler badgone to the policewith this information, Veik also said that

Hams and Klebold have madeand"test/detonated" pipe bombs nearChatfield Reservoir. He stated threeof the bombs were

small and one Was large. HeSlated thelargeone Was theone Harris hadnicknamed "Atlarna." Hestatedtherewas alsoanother

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withthe words "I hate everybody" Hedescribes Heckler as a real large guy who does lighting work at the school when they

do a drama, He describes Chris Morris as Heckler's best friend. Veik drives a red Pontiac Grand Am. He stated he parked

it in the tar east section of the Junior parking lot on the day of the shootings. Veik noticed when he parked his car. thar

Klebold'sblack BMW was parkedat lbe southeastcomerof the JUnior lot. Hestatedhe noticed it becauseit was unusual mat

he would park there. Klebold usuallyparks right next to the commons area in his designated spot. Veik stated that the first

threeparkingspaces.closest to the commons, belong to Heckler, Harris, and Klebold.

On the day of the shooting at Columbine, therewere RNN anchor trials. Veikstated everybody was discussing "4-20" He

stated be believed it was toe time that peoplewouldgo outand stan smoking marijuana. Veik slatedthat Rachel Scottcame

and did an audition along with others.

Yeikstated the RNN features a phraseof the day each day Heslated the phraseofthe day that had been planned for. hedid

ot feel wasappropriate, so he changedit. Hewrote the phrase, which was aired that morning. The phrasewas "how could

you expect IJ3 to stay in school on a day like this?" Veikstaled the original phrasecf the day was by James Davis. a senior

The phrase was "quit your bitching." Davis told Yeik he didn't care if it was inappropriate because he was going to be

graduating in 16days. Veik wentahead and changedthe phrase because he felt it was inappropriate.

Veikstated en the day of the shootings, he was in his 5th hourmath classtaking a class. Peoplebegan running past the door

They looked worried. Veik heard a teacher in the hallway yell,"Get out of the schoolas fast as you can:' Veik then hearda

large boom. and the fire alarmwent off. Veik began running towards the main hallway. The doors betweenthe hallway and

stairway wereshut. Hecould smell smoke. Hesaidhe was taken with the flowof kids running out of the building. When he

got out of the building, he went to the parkacross thestreetfrom the school to the east. veik stated it crossed hismind to take

his videocameraand videos with him, but thinkingthat it wasa fire drill, and that he wouldbe back within live minutes. he

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they had observed a guy dressed in block, running from the commons area,outside the school southward, towards the south

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area. The students described this unknown male as "running like bell." I asked Veik how far away he was from the area that

they described the man running through. He staled the length ofa football field, approximately 100 yards. Veik did no! know

the names of these students who saw this individual running and jumping over the fence. The individuals did tell him that they

were going to tell a teacher about 11.

I asked Veik if there were any addirional copies of the videos he had left in the school room. He stated all the videos he had

next to his camera bag were the originals. He stated he did not make copies of any ofthem. and he does not recall loaning any

of the originals out to anyone. He did say that his teacher. Mr. Taloccos. was given the film "Radioactive Clothing:' He

believes that the teacher would have it in his office at the school. The video would either be a high 8 or VHS cassette.

Veik Slated that he has video information on his own home computer. He has a Gateway 2000 computer. He stated he had one

.,VI tile. From that, he printed out a copy of what he had and gave it to Sergeant Tomford, who in tum gave the video to me.

This video was placed taro evidence. He stated that what he has on his computer's AVI file has not been deleted. Veik stated

this infurmation is located on 'he part of his computer titled "My Computer:' under the "D" drive, under a folder named "Eric:'

and sub-folders with the names "Eric" and "Dylan:'

I asked Veik to draw me a layout of the library and the studio. to indicate tbe computers in the school which may carry files

with video information about Hams. Klebold and their projects. Veik also drew a map of the Tech Lab where c~mputers would

be located. and drew diagrams of where Klebold's vehicle was parked, also the direction in which the unknofn male wearing

black <an and jumped the fence, the location of how he exited the building, and where he and fellow students werestandIng

when he heard that they had observed a man jumping the fence, These maps are attached to this report.

Veik indicated there might be rapes located in the studio. He Slatedthere are two cameras in the studio. Tapes might be inside

the cameras, or tapes might be found on the window sill located just behind the cameras. There are also two video files in rhe

studio production room. Veik does not know ifany videos that be has taken would be found in these areas. but that these areas

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InVeik's diagram of theTech lab, he indicates threecomputers whichwould have beenused by the suspects and might contain

files with information. Veik stated he mainly used the computerlocated to the left of Mr. long's office. He statedeveryone

used this computer. He stated the data that we would be looking for would probably be found under the category "My

Computer:' The second computer which might have information on it is the Macintosh computer. It is located on the table

to the rightofMr long's office. Veikstated tlus is an older Macintosh whichis less used by the students. The thirdcomputer

is a brand new Macintosh computer with a green casing. It is on the table next to Mr. Taloccos office Veik stated that the

brandnew Macintosh would probablynot contain too much material since the students had not been trainedon how to use it

Veikstatedin gettingon to these computers, aftergoinginto the"My Computer" area. one would have to enteran identificaticn

number, He said you could either hit a cancelkey whichwill bypass this, Or you will need to enrer an identification number

Ihis wouldbe for the"0" drive. The identification number would be the first letterof the person '5 first name, followed by the

person's lastname, then the student's identification number. For example: EVEIK 528494.

Veikstated theschool usesTCl as a cable company. Theirchannel is channel27, and the in-school channel is channel 98 On

theschoolchannel is a marqueewhich repeats continually. Onecanpressenter andgo through thepages in different directions

He stated the suspects could have possibly used the studio to makea messageon the marquee.

Veik states that he does not have his own Website, and did not know if any of the others had a Website. He stated that

Colurnbme High School has its own computer server Using spaceon the school's computer was on a lim come first serve

basis. Nostudent had to pay for computer time.

Veik told me that he was upset with the what the mediawas sayingabout Harrisand Kleboid. He said they were portraying

the two as monsters, and he did not see them that way. Veik recognizes what they have done and that they have killedone of

his friends. Veikstated on 04-21-99, he went toClementParkto speakwith themedia to let themknow therewas anotherside

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to the two suspects, When he spoketo the media, he told themthat he had met the suspects in a video production class andthat

they had made some videos together, He did not disclose to the media the content ofthose videos. Veik stated he has been

bombarded with call. from the mediato try and obtain the videoshe toldthemabout. Veik statedhe has no intentionof grvmg

them any information. Veik's father has placed a recordingon the home phone which states that no messageswill be taken

from the media.

Veik became very tearful in the interview, when he expressed remorse for not having understood the danger that the two

suspects posedto the school. Veik statedthat althoughthe suspect's ideas weredifferent. he saw a creative side to them which

he appreciated. Veik stated the suspects always treated him decently, Hedid nor think that their preoccupation with violence

indicated any serious threat. Yeik expressed concern that he did nOI want any of the video footage he was a part of or had

filmed to be exploited by the media.

• askedVeik ifhe had ever seen thesuspectscarrying items into theschool.and he stated hedid not. I askedhim ifhe wasever

askedby the suspects to help carry something into the school, and he stated no. I asked him if anyone told him that they had

helped the suspects carry something into the school. Hestated no one had told him that.

Veik stated a fellow student named Nick Romanysbyn (phone 303-972·9754) was in second hour this sernesrer with the

suspects. Romanyshyn stated he had noticed that the suspectsdid notcome 10 their second hour class on Monday,04-19-99

Later in the day. Rornanyshyn saw Harris. Harris was in the hallwayoutside the Tech Lab silting against tirelockers, Harris

said (0 Rornanyshyn, "If I'm in your way. I'll move," Harriswas sittingwith a notebook in his hand. He told Rornanyshyn.

"I'm just working on finalizing my plans for tomorrow."

The interview with Veik was videotaped, and that videotapehas been placed into evidence.

DISPOSITION: Open.

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On 5-11-99 1205I was contacted by lnv. Don Estep who had information a student a Chatfield HighSchool may have In his possession enough gasoline and flares to blow up Chatfield High School. ThestudentIdentified was Eric Velk, Inv. Estep taid me he was contacted by Lt. Dennis PotterWho spoke wi!..,the motherof John Ungei1and who had a conversation with Eric the day beforeabout being able to blow upChatfield HighSchool. It was reported Eric had in his vehicle a trunk full of gas and flares. I wasalso toldSchool Resource Officer Deputy Neil Gardnerhad spoken with John Ungerland aboutthe conversation withEric Veik.

I along with Inv. Craig Schoshke, Inv. Geroge Mumma and SA Elaine Lipka responded to the school. Duringourdriveto the school I made contact with DeputyGardnerby telephone. He told me Eric Veik was not dueto arrive at the school until 1230 and it would not be possible to confirm his attendance untilabout 1245.Deputy Gardner told me he knew the vehicle Veik drove and would look for It in the schoolparking lot. Hewas not able to locatethe vehicle I then asked School Resource Officer Deputy Lori Broviski to go into theschool and locate Eric Veil< and bring him to me. Deputy Brovski did locate him and escorted him to avehicle where he was placed and taken to the South Substation of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office.Dur'-~ my initialcontact with Eric I asked him where his vehicle was. He told us hehad parked in thechi, .Iot northof the scncol, DeputyGardner was sent to the locationto securethe vehicle pending aconsent to search the vehicle or a search warrant was obtained. I then obtaineda telephone numberfor hismotherandmadecontactwith her.After identifying myself I asked Ms. Veik to respond to the SouthSubstation where we could speak with her son. She told me she would also contact Eric's father then theywould both be in route to the substation.

After arriving at the substation I was contacted again by lnv. Estapwho told me there wereseveral leads forEricand faxed the information to us. I was also able to speak with Lt. Dennis Potterwhotold me he hadbeen contacted by the motherof John Lundgren and was told of the information concerning Eric Veik, hethen called Captaln Dan Harris of the Jefferson County Sheriffs'sOffice Investigation Division who CalledInv.Estep whO in tum called me. It shouid be noted that during the time Eric was in our care he was nothandcuffed or secured in any particularlocation. He was seated on the couch of the front office waiting thearrival of his parents. Eric did not ask why he was being brought to the subS1ation nor was he questioned.

On the arrival of Eric's parents I identified myself and Investigator Schoshke whoconducted the interview. Itold them they wereasked to respond to this interviewbased on informationwe had received. They werethen advised of the rights by written form and allowed to speak with their son alone beforedeciding to waivetheir rights. They were aware the interviewwas to Involvepossession of explosives and or flammablematerial. After their discussion we were told they would be wiliing to speak with us. I then askedEric if he knew whywe need to talk. He told us he and other kids have been talking about the securityof theschool and wera concemed it was not sufficient. He said they then began to talk about if it would bepO$' "-Ie to geta device into the schooland how it could be done. He said they also talkedabout theeve J ~ay household items which could be made into a bomb as apposedto the heavyartillery used by EricHarris and Dylan Klebold. I askedwhat he meant by that and he said the gunsand stuff they used. I asked

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who he had talked with and was told Andrew Thomas, John Ungerland and Nick Romanyshyn. I asked himwhywe would be Interested in his car. Eric told me he did not knowhe said he did not have anything in thevehicle or at his homewhich Could be used as a bomb. He told me he had left overprops from the videoshe produced were in the trunk. Hesaid he did have road flares but thesewere a partof a road emergencykit for his car andtheyhad been used to simulate dynamite in a video. I asked Eric what the conversationhe had withthe others he named was about. He said it wasaboutgetting a fifty five gallon barrel of gas intothe school as a bomb and using a road flare to ignite It. I asked howhe would knowabout anything like thisand he said movies. Ericsaid he and Nick would brain storm Ideas for video's that Eric Harris and DylanKlebold would use. He said these videos must have been howthey got their idea to do it. I asked Eric if hehad mads a statement about Eric and Dylan doing what theyplaned. He said this was when he returned toschool and It was in retrospect about the videos and whatthe otherkidshave said about What happened. Iaskedhim what movies he was talking about and he saidaboutMission R&N. He said the flares in hisvehicle were used in it as dynamite. He alsosaid he did have a toy gun Inthe trunk that was used in amoviebut it didnot look like a real gun. This was used in a play of Frankenstein then asked it he had anygas in the trunk of his vehicle. Hesaid he did not haveanygas in the car other than in the tank. He wasthen asked about the video'she made he said all the video's were in the school in the video lab or in hiscamera case. He saidevery footof video he evershot was in this bag. He told us he had left this bag in hisma' ~iass. Hesaidhe told Inv. Diane Obbema aboutthis. He said he alsospoke white Inv. Chris Tomfordarx, .N. Jim VOnderohe about otherthings. I asked hirn what relatlonstup he hadwith Eric Harris and DylanKlebold he said he wasthe camera man. He saidhe would shootthe video and edit It. I asked him whyhewas the person who did this and was told theyhad asked him because he was recommended. He alsosaidhe was in oneof the movies as the nerd they (Eric and Dylan) were hired to protect. I then askedhim whenhe was with Dylan and Eric if theytalked about whattheyhad planned to do. He said they had talked aboutHitler'sbirthday comming up andtalked abouta senior prank. He said he did not know what that would be.He said he did notcareand did notask. I asked what the video's meant to him. He said they werejustthings they put together and they really did not mean anything to him. I then askedhim to go back to thediscussions he had with the otherguys about bringing a bomb to the school and howthey got started talkingaboutthis. Hesaid It wasover the security. He said he talked to John the last time during fifth houryesterday about it being possible to bring stuff into the school. He said he spoke to Andrew seventh houryesterday andNick while they were on their way to school. He then saidthe discussions startedoverseeingthings aboutthe security of the school that bothered them. Like seeing openaccess panels for thecustodian andthings like that. Howyoucould putanything in them and close it up andno one would everknow. He said it was only talk he never planned to do anything or would evereven attempt to do anythinglike this. Hesaid hedid not believe anyone would think he reaily do anything like they talkedabout.

I thenusedthe control forms sent to me by Inv. Estepto review the information other investigators hadinterviewed him about He wasasked about the videos and told us the bag he left In the school hasall of hisfilm. I asked himaboutmaking thegun simulations and he said he spokewith Inv. Vonderohe about thisand being theone who made up thequote of the day. I then asked about the information he was told byNic' ?outthe bombs he saw. Erictold me he was toid a fewdays after the Incident the bombs Dylan andEril. ,ad made were named"Atlantan andthe "Phynolx Project". He alsosaid Nick saw Eric on the Mondaybefore the incident happened at a stairwell and Ericsaidhe was finalizing plansfor tommorow.

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During the interviewEricdid becomeemotional andcry when he was questioned on his statementsandwhenhe would admit to sayinghe had talkedaboutbringing a gas bomb in to the school. He wasalso upset when he said he hadmade a statementabout Eric and Dylan doing what they planned.

I then asked the Veik's if they would consentto a search of the vehicle Eric was driving. After reviewing theform they agreed. We then want to the church northof the highschool where the car had been secured byDeputyGardner. The vehiclewas opened and thevehiclewas searched. Nothingof a explosive devicewasfoundother than the flares which we were told were in the vehicle.

After the Interview wascompleted and the vehicle searched Inv. Schoshke and I agreethat the statementsmade by Eric were inappropriate but not madeas a statement he meant to carryout. Eric was then told togo with SChool Resource Officer. DeputyGamerand report to administration of the school to determineifhe would be allowed to remain in school.

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I understand 'W righ\1as;;'th havebeen explained to me. With these rights inZind. I am willing to answer questions atmlS lime. ;/. ti, . ;; ,I "'5;1 P " yfcII,U IT£-<Nen, e S III Dalil "'nr.m"'e.-'-''''-'''----

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I understand myrightto havea parent, guardian or oustodlan present during questioning, I amwillingto Walve thepresence of myparent. guardian orcustOdian and answer questions at thislime Without my parent, guardian orcustodianbeing present.

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As members of the Columbine High School Task Farce, e,B.!.Agent Jerry Means and IO Detective Jim Vonderohe, Arvada PoliceDepa~tment, were assigned Control number lead sheet DN~4S0

regarding a party identified as Eric Veik, a student at columbineHigh School. who took videos of the two primary suspects in thiscase. This lead control sheet indicated that Eric Veik took videosof Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold for a school class project withthe original videos being in eVidence, The lead sheet furtherindicated that Zach Heckler told Eric Veik that Eric Harris' mothersaw a large pipe bomb nicknamed. "At.Lante" that. wee late): detonatednear Chatfield Reservoir. The lead she~t further indicated thatEric Veik was told by Nick Romanyshyn that he saw £ric Harris on04/19/99 with a notebook. Eric Harris apparently made a commentthat he was "finalizing plans for tomorrow." The lead controlsheet further indicated that the above mentioned information hadbeen given to Sergeant Chris Tomford of the Jefferson countySheriff's Department on 04/23/99.

A second lead sheet with control #2128 that originally hadbeen assigned to Sergeant Jon Watson and Detective Jeff Kreutzer,both of the Golden Police Department, indicated that Eric Veik hadbeen ident.ified on a video as making "gun simulation" during thefilming of this video. This lead sheet was also given to IODetective Jim vonderohe and e.S.!. Agent Jerry Means in conjunctionwith them investigating control #1450.

On 05/05/99 10 Oetective Jim Vonderohe responded to Ericveik's residence which is located a~ 6222 W. Fremont DrivelLittleton r Colorado r Ph. {72S) 3al~055j in order to conduct aninterview with him. Upon contacting Eric Veik at his re$idence r IOalso met a student friend of his who was identified as beingNicholas ?aul Romanyshyn, dab: 09/10/81,

In first speaking with Eric Veik ~egardins the Columbine HighS~hool shooting massacre, he advised IO he had already beeninterviewed on two different occasions by law enforcementauthorities. At this time he produced two business cards with onebelonging to Sergeant Chris T~mford, Jeffe~son County Sheriff'sDepartment! and the other belonging to Investigator Oiane Obbema,also of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department. He seated thatSergeant romford contacted him on 04/20/99 and conducted aninterview with him during which time he turned over to her a videothat he was involved in. Apparently this video also included EricHarxis and Dylan Klebold in it. Eric Veik advised IO this was theonly video that he had and that it was titled 'IHit Men For Hire. II

He further stated part of this video had a segment that pertainedto "an intimidation scene," He further stated that this:intimidation scene is on his comp~ter at his residence but he gave~he entire video tape to Sergeant !cmford+

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Ref # 99-12067Type ASSTOA

Location 6201 S PIERCE ST

Reported Date 04/20/1999 Time 12,39,32Status RTF

DET59 05/12/1999 OS1199/VONDEROH~/MO

Eric Veik fu.ther advised IO that he also was extensivelyinterviewed by Investigator Dianne Obbema en 04/22/99 regarding thenarrative information that IO had on the lead sheet pertaining tocontrol #DN1450.

Due to the fact it appeared Eric veik had been extensivelyinterviewed on two different occasions by law enforcement officersregarding this investigation, IO decided not to interJiew him againregarding this matter,

10 at this time did conduct an interview with Eric veik'sfriend, Nicholas Paul Romanyshyn, dob: o9/10/a~, who resides at7840 So, Lamar Ct., Littleton, Colorado 80123, with telephonenumber (303} 972-9754, Nicholas Romanyshyn stated he is a juniorat Columbine High School as is Eric Veik.

Upon asking Nicholas Romanyshyn if he knew either Eric Harrisor Dylan Klebold, he replied he knew Eric Harris fairly well. Hegtated he has known him just this semester and had a video classwith him during 2nd hour. He stated he did not talk to Eric Harrisa whole lot and that they just "chit chatted." Upon fu:::therquestioning, Nicholas Romanyshyn stated they did not talk aboutguns, bombs or blowing up Columbine High School O~ killing anyone.He informed IO the la.,S'C time he- Saw Eric Harris was on Monday,04/19/99, in their 2nd hour video class.

Ragarding seeing Eric Harris the last time on 04/19/99,Nicholas Romanyshyn stated he (Romanyshyn} was in the hallwayoutside the ~ech Lab along with several other kids who were filminga video in the hallway. He stat~a that tria Harris came along andsat down on the floor since he was in the same class. NicholasRomanyshyn stated that Eric Harris asked if he was in the way withhim advisins him he was not. Nicholas Romanyshyn stated that EricHarris had some white papers which he began writing on. NicholasRomanyshyn then recalled that the other two individuals that wereassisting him in filming the video were Mike Vendegnia who is asenior and ~yan Selchert who is also a senior.

Nicholas aomanyshyn stated he believes Ryan Selchert askedEric Harris what he was working on with Eric Harris replying,"Plans for tomorrow." Nicholas ttornanyshyn stated that Eric Harrismade the statement in a normal voice. Nicholas Romanyshyn thenstated that he joked to Mike Vendegnia regarding that statement bystating, u'Yeah weill come to school tomorrow' and the school won'tbe here." He stated that Mike and he then laughed at that comment;as they were walking away from Eric Harris. Nicholas Romanyshynstated when he made this joking comment he does not know if EricHarris heard them talking Or what his response was if he did hearthat statement,

Upon asking Nicholas Romanyshyn if he knew Dylan Klebold verywell, he stated he did not and that he only knew him from the Fall

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Reported Date 04/20/1999 Time 12,39,32StatUS RTF

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He stated they both were involved in the Fall play withKlebold being the "sound guy" and h:lm being the Ilcurtain

when asked where he was at the time the shooting massacrebegan at Columbine High School on 04/~0/991 Nicholas Romanyshynreplied he was eating in the cafeteria at which time he looked outthe window, He stated that upon looking out the w1ndow he observeda male student on the grassy knoll trying to walk. He furtherstated he observed this male student to be limping and then he sawblood smeared on the grass left by the limping student. He statedthat the next thing he knew he was in a mass of kids who ranupstairs from the cafeteria. He stated that he ran into achemistry teacher identified as Mrs. Miller who was screaming atthe kids for them to get into a room, He stated he went into theBiology room where Mrs. williams, the Biology teacher/ was presentalong with approximately 2S of her class studenca. He stated heremained in this room until they were rescued by the SWAT team.Nicholas Romanyshyn further stated he never saw anyone with a gunor any type of weapon during this entire incident.

Prior to concluaing the interiiew with either Eric Veik orNicholas Romanyshyn f IO asked Eric Veik again if he had anyinformation he could provide to IO that hasn't been offered to theauthorities. He replied he had told everything to Sergeant~omford and Investigator Obbema when he was interviewed by them.

With nothing further regarding this investigation, IO departedEric veik's residence at approxima~ely ll2S houxs.

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JEFFERSON COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OmCESUPPLEME;'lT REPORT

DATE 05/14/99

CONECTING CR# JCSO 99·7625

CONTROL # 3330

S!JB.lECTj

NicholasP. Romanyshyn7840 S. Lamar Ct, Littleton, Co. 80128Cotumbtne High School

Mother: Susan RomanysbyuFather: George Romanysbyn

OBSERVATIONIINVESTIGATION:

CASE REPORT # 99A062

INVESTIGATOR: G.B. MUMMA

DOB 091081303·972·9754

303·982·0022303-971·1238

On051499I wasdispatchedeo theChatfield High School, Colwnhine High Schoolportionof theday, tointerview juvenilesinvolvedin a reportof threats. 00 anivall centactedSgt. Webband InvestigatorSchoshke who were interviewing anotherjuvenile andhadlearned that Nicholas Romanyshyu may havealso over hoartia conversation withErtc Veil<. wherebe was talking about bringing hombmaking materialsintO the school,

I conracted Assistaa;Principal Karen $1Ude!lb. who locned Nicholas, and then madea call ro hi, motherand advised her of my intent to interviewhim in regards to this. information. Susan Romanyshyn toldStudeakatbar she would like '0 be present forthe interview. if wecouldwaitwhichwe agreedto do.

With MIs. Romaayshyn present I advised Nicholas thathe wasnot in trouble,but that I did need '0 speakrohim abouta. conversenon hemayhaveover heaId. Nichoias stated thathewouldtry to heipif be could.I asked Nicholas ifbe remembered having a conversation witbEricVeil< wherebe wastalking aboutbringing a bombIlJIlde of gas and pipe. Nicholas staled thathe was in a hallnear the commons are. whenEricand Vincesta<ted talkingabouthoweasy i' would be '0 get a deviceineo theschool,because securitywasnot thet tigh~ but Nicholas didn', remember my talkof gasoline or pipe. I askedNicholas ifhe hadtalked to Eric af1er we!tad talked 10 him. andhe slated thar he 'ad. bet it was general conversation. I askedNicholas what!be talk was aboutif it wasn't gasoline and pipe. Nicholas steredmaryesterday (051299)Ericand Vincehad been talking aboutboweasy it would be to get somethillg in thebuilding in vfnce'sblackVideocamera bag,but no onebadput",,}'thing in the bagthet be knewof. I asked Nicholas howmany times they bad talked aboutit andbe slatedmaybe one or two times. I askedNicholas whoeteemighthavebeen around whenthis conversation was going on, andhe stated that there wasa kid nantedMikeveadbeata there,and whenhe was there,!beybadtalked airout placingthe videoCO$e by the door toMr. Talocca's roomthen whenhe wentto !ook:tt it tiley would yeU "BOOM",then tbeyalllllugbed. andthat was all be couldremember. I againaslced Nichclas if there wassomething be was leaving ou' and hestatedthe, Eric and Mike bad talked aboutusing. goi"", case like"AntonioBanderas" hadused in themovie "Desperado", and!be twoof them laughed at that.

I toldNicholas that I didn't believehis storythat he knewnothing aboutwbatEric was talking about withgasoline and pipe. because be rode withhim everydayto school, Nicholas then stated, weU there was a

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time whea Eric and lIQtne otherkids talked lit a picnic 00 likeSunday where theytalked about using • roadflair for something. I again aslred NicOO!a& whllt thlltmeant and be 1<)_downthen _ thllttIley (Erlcand theotherkid talked about pretending lhat the flair wasdymtmire. then handing it ttl "Sid" woo is the"""'1''' security lady. Nicno!a& _lhat Erlc saidit in • kind of "violen~ joking"way, I asked Nicholaswhat that_~ and be _lhat it waslike be moan,to hurt....,

I concluded my i.oternew with Nicholas and !lis awtbe:r and _ them to call meif theybed any fw:tbetinformationto share.

At 2045 hOUlS tIliJ date.I received apqe from Niebolas and!lis motb<:r. [COD!ll<:red them lit their home byphone, at wbich time Nicho!a& stated that be WllS collCO<llOd thllt be wooId hegetting Eric in more trouble ifbe told"'" evel]Itlting be bad berd. hutheueedlId to1lllIme that theflair wu a dleallltprep that was lIUIdeto look like dymtmite for a video they weremaking, and that WllSwhlltthey bad talked about lit thepicnictlW: theywould hand to "Sid", NicOO!a& assured me lhat be knew notlliIlg about the gu or pipe stuff that Iom talkedabout. I tballlted Nicholas IIIld llillmotb<:r for thelt cooperation and againencouragedthemtocall me if they thought of anytlliIlg else,

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ControlNumber 1696

ComputerForensicAnalyst! Agent Charles E, Davis, ColoradoBureau of Investigation, 690 Kipling Sr , Suite4000, Denver,CO, 30215,phone (303) 239-4211

CBlltemNumbens)

9991000903

SUMMARY

Jefferson Counl:)' SOItem Numberts)

1624162710215

Description

Dell Opnplex GX·j Computer(Tech Lab at School)Den Optiplex GX·I Computer(TechLab at School)Dell Poweredge Server (from school)

Approx one dozencomputerizedvideoswere recoveredfrom item 903above. One video depicted KLEBOLDrunning from a house and getting into a car Other videos depicted various stu.dtnts (names unknown] in videosinvolving firearms Similar files were found on items999 and 1000.

Also found on item 903 was a video taken in the mountains ofHARRIS shooting a shotgun, KLEBOLDshooting a TEK-9,and MANES shootinga rifle.

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VIE!<, DEANNAn---

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File 174A·DN·57419Inv Thomas Wilson, DITrF

April 29,1999

Deanna Zeik was contacted regarding Interviews ofhersonEric Zeik, DeannastatedthatEric bad givena full statement to Detective Diane Obbema, Jefferson CountySheriff's Department. Deanna statedthat furtherinterviews would have tobe at the request ofDetective Obbema, as instructed by Obbema. Deanna wascooperative. butrequested furthercontactbe initiated by Detective Obbema,

No other Information wasprovided.

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