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January 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0085r0
IEEE P802.11Wireless LANs
Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group
Date: 2009-01-19
Author(s):Name Company Address Phone email
Stephen McCann
Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd
200 Bath Road, Slough, Berkshire, SL1 3XE, UK +44 1753 667099 [email protected]
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AbstractThis document constitutes the tentative minutes of the IEEE 802.11 full working group for the
January 2009, Los Angeles, California, USA meeting.
Please note that all affiliations at this meeting are shown in Annex A.
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IEEE 802.11 Plenary Meeting – Session #113Hyatt Regency, Los Angeles, California, USA
January 19th -22nd, 2009
IEEE 802 Wireless Opening Plenary, Monday 19th January 2009
8:03 802.11, 802.15, 802.18, 802.20, 802.21, and 802.22 Chairs called the joint meeting to order.Announcements:
Session is being run by Face-Face Events Attendance will be collected via the IMAT
Straw Poll of new attendees: 58:05 IEEE patent policy
802.15 WG chair read the IEEE-SA instructions for the WG chair and displayed the four slides explaining patent policy and informed the attendees that additional information could be found on the patcom web site.
Chair asked participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard in the appropriate WG.
8:09 Financial report by John Barr, (15-09-0013-00) 9 Nov 08 balance was $226,407.54 Jan 09 balance was $226,793 Additional funds in face-face Los Angeles
o 347 registered
o Registration Income: $230,025
o Expected surplus: $4,724
Question: what happens to the reserve in the new calendar year? Will be kept in IEEE account for contingencies.
8:13 Wireless announcements: (802.15 -08-0466-02)Wireless Network Updates by Rick Alfvin
Newton.events.ieee.org (docs and attendance links)
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IEEE.1x is not availableIMAT
To get an IEEE web account http://www.ieee.org/go/create_web_account and follow directions
Enter activity profile in myProject Register with IMAT Uses IEEE web account Register with IMAT once per week
8:17 Review Interim meetings 10-15 May 2009, Fairmont Queen Elizabeth, Montreal, Canada 20-25 September 2009, Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA 17-22 January, 2010 -Hyatt Garden Grove (pending) 9–14 May 2010 – Shangri-La Beijing, Beijing, PRC 12-17 Sep 2010, Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA Comments:
o Short term economic issue (job loss, etc.), expense restraints on travel (mostly airfares), electronic meeting quality is improving. Proposed (not a motion) that we change the way that we work by cancelling all interim meetings in 2010 (maybe also 2009) and replace them with electronic meetings.
o Chair noted that the meeting cancelation fees would be above $1,000,000
o Midweek’s plenary will have time to talk about this subject
o Noted that large conference calls are problematic
8:35 Task Group Updates 802.11
TGMB: amendment roll-upsTGN: Sponsor Ballot comment resolutionTGP: vehicular WG ballot comment resolutionTGS: comment resolutionTGU: comment resolutionTGV: comment resolution
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TGW: comment resolutionTGZ: comment resolutionTGAA: video transportVHT-TGAD will be transitioning from study group with officer electionsStanding committees: WNG is supporting white space802.15 (~189 voters)WNG: containerTG3c: final comment resolution of Letter BallotTG4c: doneTG4d: doneTG4e: baseline proposalsTG4f: Active RFID kickoffTG4g: SUN kickoffTG5: done, recommended practiceTG6 (BAN): completing efforts leading up to proposalsTG7 (VLC TG): drafting PAR and 5C
802.18 (17 voters) Prepare input to FCC on white space rules Review impact of EN 300 328 Complete proposed revision of Recommendation ITU-R M.1450 Begin P&P update and draft OM Approve IMT-Advanced submission for February ITU-R WP5D meeting
802.20 Letter Ballot comment resolution for two letter ballots
802.21 (57 voters)Security TG starting this weekEmergency services and multi radio study groups will continue
802.22 Comment resolution Security, impact of FCC white space rules
White Space exec committee study group (ECSG) (09/0011r0)
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FCC R&O on unused TV channels (i.e. White Space) Reflector is [email protected] Discussion on electronic participation Q&A:
o Results of experiment sent to all WGs? Will work with Matt for distribution to other WGs
o Considered effect on wireless LAN (Webex)? No
o What meeting room? Not known at this time
8:56 joint meeting adjourned
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IEEE 802.11 Opening Plenary, Monday 19th January 2009
Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell Semiconductor) opened the meeting at 09:05 PST
Jon Rosdahl CSRAdrian Stephens Intel Corporation UK LtdStephen McCann Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd
There are 236 voting members of IEEE 802.11
1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-08-1450r2)
1.1. Chair: please remember that there is no recording or pictures allowed.1.2. Chair: Any modifications1.3. No objection to the approval of the agenda
2. November 2008 Minutes (11-08-1466r1)
2.1. Secretary would like to thank David Hunter for taking November 2008 minutes2.2. Review and approve joint minutes from the Dallas, November 2008 meeting.2.3. Any objection to approving the November 2008 minutes by unanimous consent2.4. Moved Stephen McCann, 2nd: Stuart Kerry2.5. Following neither discussion nor dissent these minutes were approved by unanimous consent.
3. Attendance
3.1. The chair then asked for those attending for the first time, 4 responded out of a total of 110 people in the room.
3.2. Attendance (together with affiliations) at this meeting is shown in Annex A.
4. Financials (11-09-0081r0)
4.1. Jon Rosdahl (Vice-Chair)4.2. Presented various issues with the current treasury, as presented in the IEEE 802 wireless
opening plenary (see above). Also please note that costs are trying to be reduced based on the current worldwide financial situation.
4.3. No questions
5. Policies and Procedures
5.1. http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt 5.2. The vice-chair presented the P&Ps. This document contains all the information and links to the
appropriate PatCom rules. Please note there is a new version of the P&Ps from 1st January 2009.
5.2.1. Please review these slides for all current procedures and information together with:
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5.2.1.1. Patent FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf5.2.1.2. LoA Form - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf
6. Call for essential Patents
6.1. The vice chair called essential patents and there were none.6.2. No questions or statements were made.
7. Affiliation, Anti-Trust and Ethics
7.1. The following slides were presented by the WG chair:7.1.1. Affiliation
7.1.1.1. If you do not provide your affiliation then your rights can be withdrawn. Please see: http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html for further information.
7.1.2. Anti-Trust7.1.2.1. Please note the following anti-trust statements
http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf7.1.3. Ethics
7.1.3.1. Please note the following ethics statements http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf
7.2. No questions about any of this.
8. Meeting notices
8.1. No joint meetings noted at this time.8.2. TGac/ad joint meeting is already present in the agenda8.3. 802.18 will review some IMT outgoing documents, so please take note of this.8.4. Whitespace meetings have been already mentioned this morning in the joint wireless meeting.
9. Missing Chairs
9.1. All chairs are present this week.9.2. Terry Cole will not be here for technical editor, so Peter Ecclesine will stand in for him.
10. Nominations for TGad chair
10.1. Please note that nominations for TGad chair are now open for this position. The election will be held during the mid-week plenary on Wednesday.
11. ExCom issues
11.1. Conditional approval of TGn was approved at the last ExCom meeting. The subsequent ballot passed, so that TGn then initiated a sponsor ballot.
12. Working Group P&Ps (11-08-1060r0)
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12.1. Vice chair: 802 LMSC submitted their P&Ps to the compliance board. Hopefully these will be considered and approved this month. Hence at this moment in time, they are still pending, although do remember that the ExCom did approve them in November 2008.
12.2. At the March 2009 plenary, 802.11 P&Ps will be available for review and comment.13. Voting status & attendance (11-09-0018r0)
13.1. Document describes how to download documents.13.2. Please note virus protection notice.13.3. There is a state transition diagram for membership status.13.4. Please pay attention to letter ballots, as members have lost their membership since the
last meeting, by not responding to them. Note the difference between mandatory ballots as opposed to re-circulation ballots.
13.5. Since we often have 2 or 3 ballots running together, I suggest that we perhaps modify this rule. We will not do this today, but later in the week, when we have more time.
13.6. Please provide comments in the template document, not as individual comments within the tools.
13.7. Please use your secret voting ID, which was given by the vice chair, not the one on your attendance badge.
14. Publicity
14.1. Presented by the secretary.14.2. An inquiry came in from Eric Griffith (PC Magazine). WG chair and secretary will have
a telephone call with this person on Wednesday. He would like a summary of new issues within IEEE 802.11.
14.3. Please send either the chair or secretary any questions about this telephone call.14.4. Will report back on this on Friday.
15. Timelines
15.1. Presented by the secretary.15.2. No recent updates since 2008. Will add a new row for TGad.15.3. Please can all TG chairs send the secretary any timeline updates this week.
16. Status of all groups (11-09-0067r0)
16.1. There are quite a few missing positions within the officer positions. If you can help this would be most appreciated.
16.2. Technical editors meeting Tuesday 7am16.3. This is a new snapshot document which summarizes the status of all the groups. Only the
highlights will be mentioned this morning.16.4. Note that WNG SC has two timeslots this week, to allow plenty of time for the
whitespace discussion to occur.16.5. The TGp chair has had to leave and Wayne Fisher will stand in for him.16.6. Question (Q): So can we confirm that TGp will have a meeting today at 10:30?
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16.7. Chair: as far as we know it will be ok. I’ll go over the room just to make sure.16.8. TGu hopes to go to re-circulation letter ballot (LB) this week.16.9. TGw’s sponsor ballot finished yesterday (with 82 comments). They will spend the time
this week resolving these comments.16.10. TGz may go to re-circulation LB this week.16.11. TGac is referred to as VHTL6., TGad is referred to as VHT6016.12. Note: the VHT SG will transfer to TGad mid week.16.13. Q: will there be two sets of minutes this week for these meetings?16.14. Chair: Yes.
16.15. Letter Ballots16.16. Please see slides for the two letter ballots which have recently closed:16.17. TGn recirculation, TGz, TGv, TGp, TGn sponsor ballot, TGw re-circ sponsor ballot16.18. Chair: TGn has a very large sponsor ballot pool, but it was noted that many people did
not vote (~80%).16.19. Comment (C): One of the TGw negative voters has now changed their vote.16.20. Chair: Any more questions and/or updates?16.21. None seen
17. Any Other Business
17.1. None17.2. Meeting recessed at 09:59 PST
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Wednesday, 21st January 2009
IEEE 802.11 Mid Week Plenary
Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell) opened the meeting at 10:31 PST.
138 people present.
18. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-08-1450r3)
18.1. Changes to the liaison order based on who is today.18.1.1. Some of the discussion topics have been filled in.
18.2. Any objection to accepting the changes to the agenda?18.3. No objection, so moved and approved.
19. Call for Essential Patents
19.1. Call for essential patents19.2. No items raised.
20. CAC 20.1. Reminder about 19.30 meeting on Thursday
21. Other Announcements
21.1. Social tonight at the “Pink Taco” restaurant across the street from this hotel.
21.2. Problem with listserver: so new document for WNG whitespace issue 11-09-0077r3, which will be discussed later in this meeting. You can now download it.
21.3. Whitespace attendees who are in 802.11. The system has not been working for reciprocal attendance. The vice-chair is working with IEEE to sort this out.
21.4. FacetoFace have reported back that the hotel like having us here. We are kind and polite.
22. Liaisons
22.1. 802.18 : Radio Regulatory Tag (11-09-0157r2)22.1.1. Did some work on the ECC WG SE24 on aircraft bands22.1.2. Outlines 802.18 work plan22.1.3. Re-edited the 802.11 contributions to M.145022.1.4. Weather radars and 5 GHz RLANs22.1.5. No questions
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22.2. 802.1922.2.1. Did this not meet this week, and no conference calls since November 2008, but there is a
report of teleconference calls, since the July 2009 meeting.22.2.2. 802.19 will be looking at some co-existence documents in the new feature.22.2.3. 802.15.3c at the moment and then 802.15.4g will be considered in the future.22.2.4. Q: When will these co-existence documents be ready?22.2.5. Answer (A): 802.15.3c will be ready shortly. I will send it to the 802.11 reflector when it
is ready.22.2.6. Chair: I think this will have to be added to the next sponsor ballot, which is an EC rule.
Hence a TGn co-existence document will have to be produced.22.2.7. No questions
22.3. Bluetooth22.3.1. The status is basically the same as last time.22.3.2. Work is still continuing on Bluetooth/802.11 co-operation.22.3.3. There were quite a few comments on 802.11n received by the Bluetooth SIG. The
Bluetooth SIG is trying to collate these questions.22.3.4. No questions
22.4. Wi-Fi Alliance22.4.1. Brief update on a few items:
22.4.1.1. Continues on multiple projects22.4.1.1.1. TGn alignment is continuing. This will help the market.22.4.1.1.2. Voice enterprise22.4.1.1.3. MMAC22.4.1.1.4. Security22.4.1.1.5. Protected Setup22.4.1.1.6. Management
22.4.1.2. The WFA has a development progress for new activities.22.4.1.2.1. 11u and 11z will shortly come up, so I encourage attendance if you are
interested in these topic22.4.1.3. Next meeting is in Venice in February 2009.22.4.1.4. There is a threat to 5 GHz spectrum in Europe, so please pay attention to WFA
and 802.18 in this respect.22.4.1.5. No questions
22.5. IETF22.5.1. No outstanding liaisons requests at the moment.22.5.2. CAPWAP moving along, EMU and RADEXT continuing.22.5.3. Next meeting is March 22nd 2009 in San Francisco.22.5.4. No questions
22.6. 3GPP22.6.1. The secretary mentioned a 3GPP CT1 liaison which is on its way to IEEE 802.11
regarding network discovery.22.6.2. No questions
23. TGad Chair election
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23.1. Chair: Any nominations23.1.1. Eldad Perahia23.1.2. Sheung Li
23.2. Chair: Ok, the nominations are now closed. Would the nominees like to come and make their presentations.
23.3. Sheung Li (11-09-0152r0)23.4. Q: Do you have support from your sponsor for the duration for TGad23.5. A: Yes, and indeed I feel that my small company will not be able to set policy within the
group23.6. Q: Do have any schemes to reduce conflict with 802.11 task groups.23.7. A: I have to understand that opinions are valid. Previously I’ve always tried to resolve
issues, before allowing any votes. Work toward compromises.
23.8. Eldad Perahia (11-09-0027r0)23.9. Q: There are two task groups working on similar issues, 802.15.3c and TGad. How will
you handle the overlap?23.10. A: We need a dedicated contact person in both groups.23.11. C: As chair of 802.15.3c, I appreciate your co-operation so far.
23.12. Chair: Any additional questions for either candidates23.13. Q: To both. How will you deal with people not providing technical content due to
conflict of interests?23.14. Eldad: Technically I prefer to leave my work to TGac (< 6 GHz)23.15. Sheung: Eldad is stronger than me technically, but I feel that I’m more of an
administrator. Technical aspects stand on their merits within the task group.23.16. Chair: Ready to vote. Do the candidates wish to leave the room?23.17. Chair: There are two choices, for voting members only.23.18. Q: I assume this is a simple majority vote?23.19. Chair: Yes23.20. Please stand for Sheung Li as TGad chair: 2323.21. Please stand for Eldad Perahia as TGad chair: 5323.22. Chair: I therefore announce Eldad as the new TGad chair.23.23. Q: Point of order: Are you going to count the abstains?23.24. Chair: I don’t think they will add anything. It was not a motion.23.25. Chair: Please note that we do have some TGad slots in this week’s agenda. I’d also like to
thank Sheung for all his contributions in IEEE 802.11 and his presentation today.
24. Membership Rule Change Proposal (11-09-0018r0)
24.1. Vice chair: From slide #13, you can tell that the number of sequential letter ballots is increasing. As the LMSC rules state that you lose voting rights for missing 2 out of 3 ballots, I propose a change to the rules.
24.2. One idea is to increase the integration time over which we perform the calculation of loss of membership.
24.3. I don’t want to bring a motion today, but I do seek advice and comments.
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24.4. Q: 3 out of 4 would be better. The real problem is when you get several letter ballots, running simultaneously, on documents which have not passed the 75% approval rate.
24.5. Chair: But because of the way the calculation is made, a change in the time integration time is required, not really the absolute number.
24.6. Q: The choices of being able to vote are too diverse. Approve, disapprove and “abstain due to lack of technical knowledge”, sometime don’t cover the problem of running out of time to vote. It’s not the honest thing to do. In a sponsor ballot, you can vote with “abstain due to lack of time”.
24.7. Q: In 802.15, we appeal to the EC when people lost their voting rights.24.8. Chair: Sure, we do consider appeals in 802.11.24.9. Q: Can we state that two ballots that terminate in the same week, count as a single
membership ballot.24.10. C: Regarding lack of time, I believe that you can have this as an option. Hence 802.11
could consider it. I also think that people are still confused between mandatory and non-mandatory.
24.11. Vice-chair: If someone looses their voting rights due to lack of time, we don’t usually allow the appeal. For other reasons, we will consider them. Perhaps it should be a more specific rule.
24.12. Q: We acquire rights based on a time schedule, but loose then on an event basis. We need people to vote and must encourage people to pay attention and review the drafts. Hence I agree that multiple ballots in close proximity should be treated as a single event for membership consideration.
24.13. Q: Over the last few years, the number of voting members was higher, but the number of letter ballots was lower. Hence the time required to be an 802.11 voting member has increased on an individual basis.
24.14. Chair: Another method is to introduce the sponsor ballot pool concept into letter ballots.24.15. Chair: Ok, we’ll come back in March 2009 with more information on this.
25. Future Meeting Schedule
25.1. Chair: This was raised on Monday. Shall we still continue to attend meetings in the future, due to the economic crisis?
25.2. Chair: Please remember that we must consider those meetings, where hotels are already under contract. The cancellation penalties can be very severe. I will try to bring back to this group what the contractual effects of cancellation would be.
25.3. Chair: I will limit the discussion time to 15 minutes.25.4. C: Each task group needs to consider the interim meetings. Can any groups wrap up
early? For example, can TGw cancel some of their future meetings? It would also be useful to consider modern tools, which allow improved external attendance, as has been done in the whitespace experiment this week. Another issue is voting with external meetings (such as teleconferences). Please can other people stand up and give me some feedback.
25.5. C: Since task groups have specific life cycles, I think that face to face meetings are essential. TGn have been meeting for 5 years and therefore can work effectively with a face to face every 4 months, with the comment resolution committee meeting by teleconference between those times. Hence towards the end of the lifecycle, perhaps groups could arrange their own interims.
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25.6. C: regarding the cancelling of interims. Can I remind the WG about the cancellation charges, which would amount to over $1 million dollars, which would bankrupt the 802.11/15 treasury. Beyond the existing contractual agreements, this may be possible.
25.7. Chair: I appreciate that you came in late, but I’ve already mentioned that point at the start. We have thought about other ways of conducting business where we can. Perhaps have smaller interim meetings with less task groups.
25.8. Q: I’m treasurer of 802.15, and I’m not sure about the $1 million dollars. The cycles of each task groups vary and possibly not having all these groups meeting would be fine. Perhaps they could have multiple ad hocs instead. However, the voting rights rules must be changed to reflect this. Smaller meetings may also reduce the meeting expense. We’re still running interims as though we have 1000 people.
25.9. C: To make decisions for WG which are in hibernation, this is fine. However for new issues such as whitespace, everyone across many WGs must be considered simultaneously. I think it’s more effective to keep the meetings going, but use external tools for teleconferencing.
25.10. C: Cancelling interims is not practical. It would create too much upheaval within the groups. However, teleconferences are great, but cannot replace face to face meetings. Again voting rights may be modified. Remember that you only have to attend plenaries to maintain your voting rights.
25.11. C: It costs about $17 a day for your internet per person. We have reduced the cookies and coffee, but that causes problems. In order to get the meeting space, we had to guarantee so much money on food and beverages, so it’s always a trade off.
26. Whitespace Activity (11-09-0077r3)
26.1. This topic was covered in WNG SC last night.26.2. This is regarding the use of unused TV channels at a specific location at a specific time.26.3. Biggest block appears to be wireless microphones, which travel around.26.4. Constant sensing is imperative to run this scheme, which requires power.
26.5. Motion: The IEEE 802.11 Working Group supports an IEEE 802 Petition for Reconsideration of FCC rules 47 CFR 15.711(b)(iii) and 47 CFR 15.711(c )(i) that discusses the alternative concepts presented in slides 11 and 13 of 11-09/0077r3, and authorizes Peter Ecclesine to work with 802.18 to incorporate these alternative concepts in an IEEE 802 petition.
26.6. Moved: Peter Ecclesine, 2nd : Richard Kennedy26.7. Chair: How many members of 802.18 do we have here: 326.8. Q: Apologies, but I don’t understand this motion.26.9. C: The first ruling (in the motion above) refers to you may have to wait for 48 hrs, if you
don’t have access to the internet (i.e. the TV band database). Hence you have to constantly sense, which uses power. The second ruling (in the motion) refers to sensing wireless microphones.
26.10. Q: So do you want a waiver to sense wireless microphones?26.11. A: No, I want to question whether these rules can be re-considered.26.12. Chair: Please can we look at slide #13. Do we have a specific question for the FCC, or
are we going to tell them that there rules do not make sense (from an 802.11 point of view).26.13. A: The latter.26.14. Chair: Back to the motion, no more discussion.26.15. For 53, Against 1, Abstain 14 (Motion passes 98.14%)
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27. 802.21 PARs
27.1. Chair: Scott Henderson from IEEE 802.21 will present an 802.21 PAR for our information.
27.2. IEEE 802.21 Emergency Services Study Group PAR27.3. This group has generated a PAR which I wish to show to you today.27.4. Please can you send any comments this week to 802.21, which we can address on
Thursday morning.27.5. Chair: Please can you send your presentation number to the 802.11 reflector. Please note
that this is to pre-empt the EC vote on this in March.
27.6. IEEE 802.21 Power Radio Management PAR (11-09-0158r)27.7. Again it would be nice to receive comments at this point.
28. Any Other Business
28.1. Please note that there are some room changes as TGmb has released some of its slots: TGu PM1, TGp AM2
28.2. Any objection to re-assigning room allocations28.3. No objections.28.4. Meeting recessed at 12:34 PST
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Friday, 12th January 2009
IEEE 802.11 Closing Plenary
Call to order at 08:02 PST by Bruce Kraemer (Marvell).
69 people present in the room.
29. Announcements
29.1. Note that we will probably finish around 11:00 PST
30. Agenda (11-08-1450r4)
30.1. Chair: There are some extra changes that I have put into this morning’s agenda.30.2. In addition, I’d like to suggest that we do not have a break this morning, as I think we
will finish quite early around 11:00 PST. Coffee will be available continuously between now and about 10:30 PST.
30.3. Any objection to adopting the changes to the agenda.30.4. None seen
31. Patents
31.1. Please note that this meeting is still operating under Monday’s IEEE P&P rules31.2. Call for Essential Patents and Letters of Assurance (LoA)31.3. No items arose.31.4. No questions on this
32. Announcements (11-09-0201r0)
32.1. Chair’s minutes, reports and web pages32.1.1. Please can you send these to the secretary32.1.2. Please be aware of the Chair’s schedule for the chair’s committee meetings
32.2. Letters of Assurance (LoA)32.2.1. None received since November 2008
32.3. IEEE Store32.4. The IEEE sells drafts and other publications. The slides show the drafts currently for
sale.32.5. The situation with the store is getting better; so for example TGy should now be
removed.32.6. Chair: Action: I will ensure to try and sort this out before March 2009.
32.7. TGT for Sale (slide #3)
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32.8. Chair: Regarding TGT, the PAR has been removed in December 2008. Please see slide #3 of 11-09-0201r0 regarding the rules on this.
32.9. Tutorials in March 2009 (slide #4)32.10. Chair: Currrently we have 3 tutorials planned, as shown on slide #4. Possibly another
tutorial on an “IP Pool” from the IEEE staff.
32.11. ATIS Home Network Invitation (slide #5)32.12. Letter of invitation from ATIS. Please note that the date should be February 3rd 2009.
Please can you decide yourself, if you wish to attend?32.13. Please note that this is not a formal liaison request.
32.14. Published TGy Amendment32.15. The original version from November 6th 2008 had an error it.32.16. The IEEE has stated that it was there fault on one of the figures. The IEEE have
extended the 30 day period for a free day downloaded. However, as of today, the document is still incorrect. We are trying to sort this out.
32.17. C: I purchased a copy and have not received an erratum message from IEEE.32.18. Chair: One we find out that the correct version is there, we will post an update.
33. Meeting Location
33.1. Chair: Can I have a show of hand to see who is in favor of returning to this location next year?
33.2. For: 27, Against: 1033.3. Chair: I also know that the economic news from around the world is getting increasingly
bad. I also realize that some of the people here may not be to return next time. Hence I wish to thank everyone for being here and assisting.
34. Attendance and Documents
34.1. Vice-chair: There were some issues with the attendance during the whitespace meeting earlier in the week.
34.2. Regarding the documents, there are quite a few whitespace documents in the 802.11 09 folder. I will try and remove these after this meeting.
34.3. C: Please note that 802.11 members cannot access the 802.16 server, due to a problem on their server last week.
34.4. Chair: Something has changed and I have mentioned this to the 802.16 chair. We continuously have to re-set access to their folder.
35. WG Reports
35.1. Publicity35.1.1. The chair and secretary spoke to Eric Griffith (PC magazine) on Wednesday, as
mentioned during the opening plenary on Monday. He wanted to know about the current status of TGn, Very High Throughput and TGs. All the information that was spoken about was public domain information and indeed some of his questions (especially about timescales), were not answered as he was referred to the 802.11 website.
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35.2. Timelines35.2.1. The secretary presented the updated timeline chart, which was updated last night for
several task groups. There are still some changes missing and these will be done over the weekend.
35.2.2. Q: Please can someone put in URL links for k, r, and y?35.2.3. Chair: Please note that the TGmb timeline has been changed to N/A. This is quite an
important issue.35.2.4. Chair: note that we still do not have a solution to the TGmb editor problem.
36. WG Committee Reports (11-09-0190r0)
36.1. Technical editor (slide #3)36.1.1. I must thank for the editors.36.1.2. There are no new requests for ANA.36.1.3. The running order does not appear to be changed as of Tuesday. The new dates from the
update timeline have not been considered yet.36.1.4. All amendment inclusions were updated on Tuesday morning.36.1.5. Q: What version of frame are we using?36.1.6. Frame 7.2, but the vice-chair is trying out Frame 8.0, which allows colored track changes.
Hence I suggest that TGac should start with TGac.
36.2. WNG SC (slide #21)36.2.1. Broadband issues were discussed36.2.2. Whitespace was also discussed, which influences 802.18 and 802.22.
36.2.2.1. Wireless microphones are the biggest issue and it is felt by some members that some of the FCC requirements are broken in this respect
36.2.3. Chair: So what will happen next36.2.4. A: There will be 802.18 teleconference, which we can all join in. They would like inputs
from the other 802 WGs, so that they can pass something out in a letter ballot.
36.3. ARC (slide #28)36.3.1. No questions
36.4. TGmb (slide #31)36.4.1. I wanted to emphasize the situation within TGmb. The shown candidate on the screen
(slide #32) actually attacked the secretary during the week, which is a bit extreme.36.4.2. We are looking at various options for sponsoring an editor. Please talk to the 802.11
treasurer if you have any information. I understand that MSword may be a possible tool which can be used.
36.4.3. Q: Did we address the FCS issue in TGn?36.4.4. A: Yes, that was done.36.4.5. C: Perhaps we should re-consider this in TGn36.4.6. C: Ok, but I don’t think that will change the interpretation request.
36.5. TGn (slide #39)36.5.1. LB138 closed in December 2008, with 95.25% approval. Hence this allowed TGn to go
sponsor ballot. This closed 2 weeks ago and finished with 77.8% approval.
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36.5.2. No questions
36.6. TGp (slide #45)36.6.1. Still working through LB141 comments.36.6.2. No questions
36.7. TGs (slide #51)36.7.1. Still working on resolving the comments from LB126. Hopefully will go to re-
circulation ballot in March 2009.36.7.2. No questions
36.8. TGu (slide #55)36.8.1. Managed to go to re-circulation ballot this week.36.8.2. No questions
36.9. TGv (slide #60)36.9.1. Progressed on comments from letter ballot 140.36.9.2. Still have 122 comments to resolve.36.9.3. Have decided to cancel the previously arranged Ad Hoc.36.9.4. No questions
36.10. TGw (slide #69)36.10.1. Resolve comments from re-circulation sponsor ballot.36.10.2. However, there are still a few outstanding comments regarding Public Action
Frames. This may require a new security model, so were looking at a compromise at the moment.
36.10.3. No questions
36.11. TGz (slide #77)36.11.1. Q: When will the revised draft be on the server36.11.2. A: That is up to the editor.
36.12. TGaa (slide #81)36.12.1. Q: The problem is with the timing issues.36.12.2. A: Yes, I agree.36.12.3. TG chair: Hope to have a joint meeting with 802.1AVB in the Mach 2009
meeting.36.12.4. Q: Regarding TGn, we also have an OBS definition you may need to be aware of.
36.13. TGac (slide #90)36.13.1. Note that some of the conference calls will be jointly held with TGad36.13.2. No questions
36.14. TGad (slide #95) (includes VHT SG report)36.14.1. Elected two vice chairs for this group36.14.2. Approved a TGad timeline36.14.3. Determined a way forward to work with 802.15.3c36.14.4. No questions
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36.15. JTC1 Ad Hoc (slide #100)36.15.1. Liaison letter from SC6, which will be discussed later.36.15.2. No questions
37. Liaison Reports
37.1. 802.21 (11-09-0202)37.1.1. Q: I spoke to the radio people about the multi-radio issue. I don’t see how the other PHY
groups can expose their interfaces to allow this .21 to proceed.37.1.2. A: Could you respond to the email on the 802.11 mailing list.37.1.3. Chair: There was an email about some other 802.21 PARs, which we can respond to.37.1.4. 802.21a met for the first time as a new security task group.37.1.5. Please also not that 802.11 has access to the 802.21 document repository.37.1.6. Chair: When was the 802.21 closing plenary37.1.7. A: on Thursday morning.37.1.8. Chair: I will ask the 802.21 chair to re-circulate the PARs so we have a chance to
comment upon them.37.1.9. C: Please can you send an email to the 802.11 reflector about these PARs please.
37.2. 802.15.6 BAN (11-09-xxxx)37.2.1. This also covers the ETSI EP eHEALTH, covering wearable PANs37.2.2. Some issues concerning the 2.4 GHz ISM band, but it appears that the actual frequencies
will be above those for 802.11.37.2.3. No questions
37.3. ETSI TC ITS transportation (11-09-0203r0)37.3.1. No formal liaison, but this is just a short report37.3.2. Standardization of V2V (vehicle to vehicle) and V2I (vehicle to infrastructure) using
802.11p, to develop their own profile standard within Europe.37.3.3. Chair: When is the next meeting?37.3.4. A: I think its April 22nd 2009 in Mainz, Germany and I shall be attending.37.3.5. No questions
37.4. 3GPP CT137.4.1. The incoming liaison will be put on the server.37.4.2. No questions
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38. Working Group Motions (11-09-0191r0)
38.1. Old business motions
38.2. Teleconference motion (slide #4)38.2.1. Please remember there is a calendar on the website that you can download into your own
personal calendar, which includes these teleconferences.
Group Dates Start Time DurationTGmb None TGn Wed 11:00 ET 2 HoursTGp Thu 15:00 ET 2 HoursTGs Wed Feb 4, Feb 18, Mar 4 17:00 ET 1.5 HoursTGu Wed Feb 25
Tue Mar 3Thu Mar 5
11:00 ET11:00 ET12:00 ET
1 Hour2 Hours2 Hours
TGv Tue Feb 3, 10, 17; Mar 3 12:00 ET (noon) 2 HoursTGw Wed Feb 4, Feb 11, Feb 25, Mar 4,
Mar 1812:00 ET (noon) 1 Hour
TGz Tue Feb 3, 17, Mar 3 12:00 ET (noon) 1 HourTGaa Mon every other week starting Feb 2 11:00 ET 1 HourTGac Thu Feb 12
Thu Feb 2610:00 ET20:00 ET
2 Hours
TGad Feb 5Feb 19Mar 5
11:00 ET20:00 ET11:00 ET
2 Hours
ARC Tue Feb 3, 17, Mar 3 13:00 ET 1 Hour
38.2.2. Moved Adrian Stephens, 2nd Clint Chaplin38.2.3. No objection to approving by unanimous consent.
38.3. TGu Ad Hoc (slide #9)38.3.1. Authorize TGu to hold an Ad Hoc meeting on Sunday March 8th 2009 in
Vancouver, Canada with the preferred venue being the Hyatt Regency hotel, for the purpose of comment resolution.
38.3.2. (TGu Moved: Dave Stephenson, 2nd : George Bumiller, Result: 4/0/0)38.3.3. Moved on behalf of TGu38.3.4. No objection to approving by unanimous consent.
38.4. TGu re-circ (slide #10)38.4.1. Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from letter
ballot 137 on P802.11u Draft 4.0, as in contained in document 11-08-1225-25-000u-lb137-comment-spreadsheet.xls, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 5.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a 15 day Working Group Recirculation Letter Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11u Draft 5.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
38.4.2. (TGu Mover: Dave Stephenson, Seconder: Necati Canpolat. Result: 4/0/0)
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38.4.3. Moved on behalf of TGu38.4.4. No objection to approving by unanimous consent.
38.5. JTC138.5.1. Motion: Move to authorize Jesse Walker to send the liaison letter found in doc 11-
09/0192r0 to the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Secretariat38.5.2. (Ad hoc: Moved: Andrew Myles 2nd: Tom Kurihara, Ad hoc vote: 7-0-0)38.5.3. Moved on behalf of Ad Hoc38.5.4. Q; Does this one require approval from the EC?38.5.5. Chair: We have been told not to bring this to the EC and therefore the 802.11 WG is
control of this document.38.5.6. There is an objection to approving by unanimous consent.38.5.7. For: 43, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)
38.6. New business motions
38.7. Chair: How many people would like to take a break at this point?38.8. Yes 20, No 2038.9. Chair: Hence I would like to continue.
38.10. TGz re-circ (slide #14)38.10.1. Approve comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB 139
on TGz draft 3.0 as contained in document 11-09-0097-02-000z, Instruct the editor to prepare TGz draft 4.0 incorporating these resolutions, and Approve a 15 day Working Group Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should TGz draft 4.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
38.10.2. Moved Menzo Wentink, 2nd Clint Chaplin38.10.3. For: 61, Against: 0, Abstain: 2 (Motion passes 100%)
38.11. TGmb Approval of Interpretation Request38.11.1. Accept the interpretation response contained in 11-09/0042r0 on the subject
of the sample FCS calculation in Annex G of 802.11-2007, and Forward this document to the appropriate IEEE officer as the official response of the IEEE 802.11 Working Group.
38.11.2. (TGmb vote on approval motion: Moved: Jon Rosdahl, 2nd: Mark Hamilton, Result: adopted by unanimous consent)
38.11.3. Moved Matthew Gast38.11.4. Q: I understand that EC has to approve this first38.11.5. Chair: I agree and hence the motion needs to be updated.
38.11.6. Accept the interpretation response contained in 11-09/0042r0 on the subject of the sample FCS calculation in Annex G of 802.11-2007, and Authorize the working group chair to obtain approval from the EC and forward to the IEEE Standards Board Secretary if approved by the EC
38.11.7. Moved Matthew Gast, 2nd Jon Rosdahl38.11.8. For: 39, Against: 0, Abstain: 2 (Motion passes 100%)38.11.9. C: Please can we make this into a template38.11.10. Vice-Chair: yes, I shall do that.
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39. Other New Business
39.1. Loosing Voting Rights (11-09-0018r2)39.1.1. Straw Poll: Do you support changing the rule that currently requires a voting
member to return “2 of 3” mandatory letter ballots to “4 of 6”?39.1.2. Q: Is this the only straw poll in this item of business39.1.3. A: Yes, because there were flaws in our earlier ideas39.1.4. Q: How does this equate to the upper rules that the WG is bound by. Doesn’t the EC
need to approve this?39.1.5. A: I believe we can do this immediately, within the rules. We are re-interpreting the
word “active”. But I do recommend that we take our new interpretation to the EC, regarding the LMSC rules, which we are bound by.
39.1.6. Q: Please can this be minuted.39.1.7. Chair: yes. The commenter is correct, as the EC may have a different view of the rules
than this WG.39.1.8. Yes: 45, No: 4, Abstain: 3
39.2. Whitespace Experiment Straw polls39.2.1. Chair: The straw poll had actually failed due to an error in their process. However it has
been suggestion is that the experiment actually went not too well. Do we have any more opinions and/or comments?
39.2.2. C: Some of the people calling in were trying to correct what was being said, which was useful. However apart from that the sound was not too good.
39.2.3. C: Of course, in terms of an experiment; it was a success, even though the results of that experiment itself were negative. Trying to get non f2f meetings to work is a good objective and these experiments should continue.
39.2.4. C: We were restricted by the tool of the chair’s company. Hence we should try other tools next time.
39.3. Venue Planning39.3.1. Chair: I would like to repeat this issue about financial conditions on our future venue
meetings. I’ve asked the joint 802.11/802.15 treasury to determine what cancellation fees would be incurred.
39.3.2. Q: I think the previous discussion about the whitespace segways into this point quite well. To circumvent a lot of WG discussion and time, I thought I’d bring a couple of personal motions at this time.
39.3.3. Motion 139.3.4. The 802.11 WG requests the WG Chair to investigate new modes of WG operation,
including the possible cancellation of future interim sessions and an increased use of remote collaboration tools. Any transition to the new mode of operation should be possible in a way that is financially responsible and that allows the WG to continue to develop high quality standards.
39.3.5. Moved: Andrew Myles
39.3.6. Motion 239.3.7. The 802.11 WG directs the WG Chair not to agree, until the Mar 2009 session, to
any contract for an interim session in Jan 2010 or 2011.
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39.3.8. Moved: Andrew Myles
39.3.9. C: I think we’re mixing two issues together here. I support the use of tools, but I think that cancelling meetings shouldn’t be included in the same motion.
39.3.10. C: I think its ok as it is.39.3.11. C: I’m also confused. Are the two slides one motion or two?39.3.12. Chair: Two separate motions, on two separate slides.39.3.13. C: I think that motion 1 is fairly benign. Motion 2 is then the decision itself,
which is attempting to cancel interim meetings. If successful this may result in new procedures and rules. A transition plan would be required. Motion 2 is the stick and please remember that meeting arrangement lead times are quite long. Motion 2 does not allow transition, so therefore I advise case and speak against both motions.
39.3.14. C: I agree that Motion 1 can be split into 2 issues. I think we could have fixed locations for our meetings (e.g. Denver in the summer and Los Angeles in the winter).
39.3.15. C: I speak against the motion39.3.16. Mover: I think there are actually many ideas which have been brought up in these
discussions, which is good…..39.3.17. Chair: Stop! Please can the person at the back erase their photograph which has
just been taken.39.3.18. ……People should not be scared of potentially cancelling interim meetings. This
is why I decided to separate out Motion 2 as a separate item.39.3.19. C: I think that fixing North American venues does not help travel costs for the
whole of the IEEE membership. Please consider this, as a lot of people come from overseas.
39.3.20. Motion to amend39.3.21. May I suggest a change to Motion 1, as follows:39.3.22. The 802.11 WG requests the WG Chair to investigate new modes of WG
operation. This would include the possible cancellation of future interim sessions and an increased use of remote collaboration tools. Any transition to the new mode of operation should be possible in a way that is financially responsible and that allows the WG to continue to develop high quality standards.
39.3.23. Moved: Rolf de Vegt39.3.24. No objection to approving by unanimous consent
39.3.25. C: I speak against this motion, as we do not need this approval to do our work.39.3.26. C: I would like to state that there are many deals in countries, where the
economic crisis is hitting badly. Conference centers would be glad to have us.39.3.27. C: I think the chair does this task anyway and hence I speak against this motion.
The WG should not need to do this. The WG officers were elected with this mandate.39.3.28. Chair: Question is called.
39.3.29. The 802.11 WG requests the WG Chair to investigate new modes of WG operation. This would include the possible cancellation of future interim sessions and an increased use of remote collaboration tools. Any transition to the new mode of operation should be possible in a way that is financially responsible and that allows the WG to continue to develop high quality standards.
39.3.30. Moved: Andrew Myles39.3.31. For: 11, Against: 28, Abstain: 9 (Procedural motion, fails with 29.73%)
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39.3.32. Mover: I am disappointed with this result, but I thank the chair for going ahead with the sentiment of the motion anyway. I would like to withdraw Motion 2 from the table.
39.3.33. Chair: Granted39.3.34. C: Please may I have a straw poll?39.3.35. Chair: I thought we’d covered this issue already in the previous motion.
39.3.36. Straw Poll: The 802.11 WG requests the WG Chair to investigate new modes of WG operation. This may include the increased use of remote collaboration tools.
39.3.37. C: I thought that this issue is covered in the WG Chair’s mandate and in the P&P bylaws. I think this straw poll is a waste of time.
39.3.38. Chair: I think it is rather superfluous, but I will still allow it.39.3.39. Yes: 28, No: 8, Abstain: 11
39.4. P&P39.4.1. I recall that our current P&Ps have not been approved. This was mentioned on Monday.39.4.2. Chair: This is actually the 802 P&Ps. The standard’s board had not had enough time to
consider the changes and hence the approval date had been postponed.
40. AOB
40.1. None
41. Next Meeting
41.1. The next meeting (#114) is in the Hyatt Regency and Fairmont hotels in Vancouver, British Colombia, Canada, Denver from March 8th – 13th 2009: http://ieee802.facetoface-events.com/sessions/55/index.php
41.1.1. Q: please can you ask how many people intent to go to this meeting.41.1.2. Yes: 50 No: 3,Uncertain: 3
42. Adjournment
42.1. I move to adjourn42.2. Moved Jon Rosdahl, 2nd Richard Kennedy42.3. The meeting is adjourned without objection at 10:47 PST
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Annex A: Attendance & Affiliation
Name AffiliationAboulmagd, Osama Nortel NetworksAbraham, Santosh Qualcomm IncorporatedAnwyl, Gary Ralink Technology CorpArmstrong, Lee US DoTAshley, Alex NDS LimitedAstrin, Arthur Astrin RadioBagby, David Calypso Ventures, Inc.Bahr, Michael SiemensBajko, Gabor Nokia CorporationBang, yong ICU-Information and Communications Universitybar, vered Qualcomm IncorporatedBarr, John Motorola, Inc.Baykas, Tuncer National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)Benko, John Orange-France TelecomBorges, Daniel Apple Computer, Inc.Bosco, Bruce Motorola, Inc.Braskich, Anthony Motorola, Inc.Bumiller, George Research In Motion LimitedCam-Winget, Nancy Cisco Systems, Inc.Canpolat, Necati Intel CorporationCHAMBELIN, Philippe THOMSONChaplin, Clint Samsung ElectronicsChen, Jiunn-Tsair Ralink Technology, Corp.Cheng, Yuu TelcordiaCHIU, CHENYI PanasonicChoi, Jee-Yon ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research InstituteChoi, Seyeong LG ELECTRONICSChong, Chia-Chin NTT DOCOMOChu, Liwen STMicroelectronicsCook, Charles Qwest Communications International Inc.,Cooke, Matthew NICTADas, Subir Telcordiade Vegt, Rolf Qualcomm IncorporatedDenteneer, Theodorus PhilipsDickey, Susan CaltransDurand, Roger Research In Motion LimitedEastlake, 3rd, Donald Motorola, Inc.Ecclesine, Peter Cisco Systems, Inc.Emmelmann, Marc Technical University Berlin
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Name AffiliationEngwer, Darwin Nortel NetworksErceg, Vinko Broadcom CorporationFeinberg, Paul SONYFischer, Matthew Broadcom CorporationFisher, Wayne ARINC, Inc.Fujikawa, Kenji NICTFunada, Ryuhei National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)Gast, Matthew Trapeze NetworksGilbert, Jeffrey SiBEAM, Inc.Glibbery, Ronald Peraso TechnologyGloger, Reinhard Nokia Siemens NetworksGrass, Eckhard IHP GmbHGray, Paul Cohda WirelessGrodzinsky, Mark wilocityGross, James RWTH Aachen UniversityHamilton, Mark Polycom, Inc.Hansen, C Broadcom CorporationHarada, Hiroshi National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)Harkins, Dan Aruba Networks, Inc.Hart, Brian Cisco Systems, Inc.Hartman, Chris Apple Computer, Inc.Hassan, Amer MicrosoftHonma, Naoki Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporationhu, wendong STMicroelectronicsHuang, Robert Sony ElectronicsHuang, Tian-Wei National Taiwan UniversityHunter, David PanasonicIso, Akio National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)Jain, Sudhanshu ALCATEL-LUCENTJiang, Daniel VSC2Jones, Vince Qualcomm IncorporatedJung, Lee ICU-Information and Communications UniversityKain, Carl Noblis, Inc.Kato, Shuzo National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)Kato, Tatsuya Tokyo Electric Power CompanyKavner, Douglas Raytheon CompanyKennedy, Richard ETS-LindgrenKenney, John VSC2Kerry, Stuart OK-BritKim, Kyeongpyo ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research InstituteKim, Yongsun ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute
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Name Affiliationkim, yunjoo ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research InstituteKOBAYASHI, MARK Broadcom CorporationKojima, Fumihide Nationa Institute of Information and Communication TechnologyKraemer, Bruce MarvellKuehnel, Thomas MicrosoftKurihara, Thomas TKstds ManagementKwak, Joseph InterDigital Communications, LLCLakkis, Ismail TensorcomLambert, Paul MarvellLan, Zhou Nationa Institute of Information and Communication TechnologyLandt, Jeremy TranscoreLee, Yuro ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research InstituteLevy, Joseph InterDigital Communications, LLCLi, Sheung SiBEAM, Inc.Liu, Hang Thomson IncLoc, Peter Ralink Technology, Corp.Maltsev, Alexander Intel CorporationMano, Hiroshi ROOT, Inc.Maslennikov, Roman Intel CorporationMcCann, Stephen Research in Motion UK LtdMcnew, Justin Kapsch TrafficCom IncMontemurro, Michael Research In Motion LimitedMoorti, Rajendra Broadcom CorporationMorioka, Hitoshi ROOT, Inc.Morioka, Yuichi Sony CorporationMoskowitz, Robert ICSALabs/Verizon Business SystemsMyles, Andrew Cisco Systems, Inc.Nakano, Hiroki Trans New Technology, Inc.Ngo, Chiu Samsung ElectronicsNoens, Richard Motorola, Inc.Oyama, Satoshi Hitachi Ltd.Pandya, Bhoomek IIT BombayPark, Changmin ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research InstitutePark, Minyoung Intel CorporationPatel, Vijaykumar Andrew CorporationPerahia, Eldad Intel Corporationpetrick, Albert Jones-Petrick and Associates, LLC.Petro, John Envieta LLCPowers, Chuck Motorola, Inc.Ptasinski, Henry Broadcom CorporationPurnadi, Rene Research In Motion Limited
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Name AffiliationQi, Emily Intel CorporationRahman, Mohammad National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)Ramamurthy, Harish MarvellRayment, Stephen BelAir NetworksReznik, Alex InterDigital, Inc.Rosdahl, Jon CSRRoy, Richard ConnexisSakoda, Kazuyuki Sony CorporationSampath, Hemanth Qualcomm IncorporatedSandmann, Maximilian Vondel O.G.Schultz, Donald BoeingSchwoerer, Jean France TelecomSeok, Yongho LG ElectronicsShellhammer, Stephen Qualcomm IncorporatedSherlock, Ian Texas InstrumentsSHIBAGAKI, Nobuhiko Hitachi Ltd.Shukla, Ashish MarvellSimon, Francois ARINC, Inc.Song, Yoo-Seung ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research InstituteSood, Kapil Intel CorporationStacey, Robert Intel CorporationStanley, Dorothy Aruba Networks, Inc.Stephens, Adrian Intel CorporationStephenson, David Cisco Systems, Inc.STRUTT, GUENAEL Motorola, Inc.Sum, Chin-Sean NICTTan, Teik-Kheong GCT Semiconductor, Inc.Taylor, Shawn Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.THOMSON, ALLAN Cisco Systems, Inc.Thrasher, Jerry Lexmark International Inc.Toyoda, Ichihiko NTTTrachewsky, Jason Broadcom CorporationUmehira, Masahiro Ibaraki UniversityVarshney, Prabodh Nokia CorporationVenkatesan, Ganesh Intel CorporationVlantis, George STMicroelectronicsWalker, Jesse Intel CorporationWang, Chao-Chun MediaTek Inc.Wang, Junyi NICTWang, Qi Broadcom CorporationWatanabe, Fujio NTT DoCoMo, Inc.
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Name AffiliationWentink, Menzo Qualcomm IncorporatedWhetten, Frank BoeingWiklund, Magnus FUJITSU LABORATORIES LIMITEDWilliams, Michael Nokia CorporationWu, Fonchi Ralink Technology, Corp.Wu, Shiquan Wi-LAN Inc.Yamamoto, Takeshi NEC CorporationYee, James MediaTek Inc.Yee, Peter NSA/IADYoshida, Seiji NTT Multimedia Communications Laboratories, Inc.Zhang, Hongyuan MarvellZhao, Shiwei Atheros Communications
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Annex B : Working Group Officers
Name Position Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation
BRUCE KRAEMER
IEEE 802.11 WORKING GROUP (WG) CHAIR Marvell Semiconductor, Inc
Mail: c/o: Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
5488 Marvell Lane, Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: +1 (321) 427-4098
Fax: +1 (321) 751-3988
JONROSDAHL
WORKING GROUP - 1ST VICE-CHAIR / TREASURER CSR
Policies & Treasury+1 (801) 756-1496
ADRIANSTEPHENS
WORKING GROUP - 2ND VICE-CHAIR Intel Corporation (UK) Limited.
Attendance, Ballots, Documentation & Voting
Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile)
STEPHENMCCANN
WORKING GROUP - SECRETARY & PUBLICITY Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd
Minutes, Reports, & Communications+44 1753 667099
TERRYCOLE
WORKING GROUP - TECHNICAL EDITOR
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.Standard & Amendment(s)
Coordination
Working Group - ANA LEAD +1 (512) 602-2454
802.11 Assigned Numbers Authority [email protected]
Name Position Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation
TEIK-KHEONG "TK" TAN
WNG STANDING COMMITTEE - CHAIR GCT Semiconductor, Inc.
Wireless Next Generations+1 (408) 480-0431
DAVID BAGBYARC Ad-Hoc - CHAIR Calypso Ventures, Inc.
802.11 Architecture+1 (650) 637-7741
[email protected] Position Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation
MATTHEW GAST
TASK GROUP MB - CHAIR Trapeze Networks
802.11 Accumulated Maintenance Changes
+1 (925) 474-2273
BRUCE P.KRAEMER
TASK GROUP N - CHAIR Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
High Throughput(802.11n Amendment)
+1 (321) 427-4098
SHEUNGLI
TASK GROUP N - VICE-CHAIR SiBEAM, Inc.High Throughput
(802.11n Amendment)+1 (408) [email protected]
LEEARMSTRONG
TASK GROUP P - CHAIR US Department of TransportationWireless Access for the Vehicular
Environment(802.11p Amendment)
+1 (617) 620-1701
DONALD E.EASTLAKE 3RD
TASK GROUP S - CHAIR Motorola, Inc.
Mesh Networking(802.11s Amendment)
+1 (508) 786-7554
STEPHEN TASK GROUP U - CHAIR Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd
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MCCANN InterWorking with External Networks(802.11u Amendment)
+44 1753 [email protected]
DOROTHY V. STANLEYTASK GROUP V - CHAIR Aruba Networks
Wireless Network Management(802.11v Amendment)
+1 (630) [email protected]
JESSE WALKERTASK GROUP W - CHAIR Intel Corporation
Protected Management Frames(802.11w Amendment)
+1 (503) [email protected]
MENZO WENTINK
TASK GROUP Z - CHAIR Qualcomm Netherlands
Direct Link Setup(802.11z Amendment)
+31 65 183 6231
GANESHVENKATESAN
Task Group AA - CHAIR Intel Corporation
Video Transport Streams(802.11aa Amendment)
+1 (503) [email protected]
OSAMA ABOUL-MAGD
Task Group AC - CHAIR Nortel Networks
Very High Throughput < 6 GHz(802.11ac Amendment)
+1 613-763-5827
ELDAD PERAHIA
Task Group AD - CHAIR Intel Corporation
Very High Throughput 60 GHz(802.11ad Amendment)
+1 (503) 712-8081
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Annex C : Minutes
This Annex contains references to all IEEE 802.11 SC/TG/SG & Ad Hoc Committee (AHC) minutes from this meeting. Please note that they are NOT subject to the approval of these minutes, but are confirmed and approved by their individual group in the opening meeting at their next session.
WG TE 09-0085r0TGMB TGC 09-0095r0TGN TGC 09-0106r0TGP TGC 09-0100r3TGS TGCTGU TGC 09-0089r0TGV TGC 09-0163r0TGW TGC 09-0087r0TGZ TGC 09-0099r0
TGAA TGC 09-0170r0TGAC TGCTGAD TGC 09-0182r0
WNG SC SCC 08-0630r0ARC SC SCC
JTC1 AHC AHG 09-0126r0
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