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EquityResidential(EQR)EarningsReport:Q32015ConferenceCallTranscriptThefollowingEquityResidentialconferencecalltookplaceonOctober28,2015,11:00AMET.Thisisatranscriptofthatearningscall:
CompanyPart icipants
MartyMcKenna;EquityResidential;IRDavidNeithercut;EquityResidential;President&CEOMarkParrell;EquityResidential;EVP&CFODavidSantee;EquityResidential;EVP&COO
OtherPart icipants
DaveBragg;GreenStreetAdvisors;AnalystMichaelBilerman;Citigroup;AnalystNickJoseph;Citigroup;AnalystRossNussbaum;UBS;AnalystNickYulico;UBS;AnalystSteveSakwa;EvercoreISI;AnalystHaendelSt.Juste;MorganStanley;AnalystJanaGalan;BankofAmericaMerrillLynch;AnalystJeffSpector;BankofAmericaMerrillLynch;AnalystTonyPellow;JPMorganChase;AnalystAlexanderGoldfarb;SandlerO 'Neill;AnalystRobStevenson;JanneyMontgomeryScott;AnalystVincentChao;DeutscheBank;AnalystDanOppenheim;Zelman&Associates;AnalystRichAnderson;MizuhoSecurities;AnalystTomLesnick;CapitalOneSecurities;AnalystWesGolladay;RBCCapitalMarkets;AnalystTayoOkusanya;Jefferies&Co.;AnalystDrewBabin;RobertW.Baird;AnalystAaronHecht;JMPSecurities;Analyst
MANAGEMENTDISCUSSIONSECTION
Operator :
GooddayandwelcometotheEquityResidentialthird-quarter2015earningscall.Today'sconferenceisbeingrecorded.Atthistime,Iwouldliketoturntheconferenceovertotoday'sspeakers.Pleasegoahead.
MartyMcKenna(IR):
Thanks,Joe.GoodmorningandthankyouforjoiningustodiscussEquityResidential'sthird-quarter2015resultsandourassetsaletoStarwood.DavidNeithercut,ourPresidentandCEO,willbeourfeaturedspeakerthismorning.DavidSantee,ourChiefOperatingOfficer,andMarkParrell,ourCFO,areherefor
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theQ&A.
Pleasebeadvisedthatcertainmattersdiscussedduringthisconferencecallmayconstituteforward-lookingstatementswithinthemeaningoftheFederalSecuritieslaw.Theseforward-lookingstatementsaresubjecttocertaineconomicrisksanduncertainties.TheCompanyassumesnoobligationtoupdateorsupplementthesestatementsthatbecomeuntruebecauseofsubsequentevents.
AndnowIwillturnthecallovertoDavidNeithercut.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Thankyou,Marty,andgoodmorning,everyone.Andthankyouallforjoiningusonsuchshortnotice.
Becauseoftheadditionalnewswereleasedthismorning,we'regoingtobreakfromournormalearningscallroutinewherewewouldgothroughpreparedremarksonourmarkets,quarterlyacquisition,dispositionanddevelopmentactivityaswellascommentsonanycapitalmarketbalancesheetandliquiditytopics.Instead,I'mjustgoingtomakeafewbriefcommentsabout--firstabouttheearningsreleaseandthenabouttheportfoliosaletoStarwoodandasMartymentioned,afterthat,wewillopenitupforquestionswhereMarkParrellandDavidSanteewillalsobeabletojumpinwiththeirinsights.
Sofirstastoourthird-quarterearningsreleaseinthelast20years,wehaveonlyfouryearsinwhichsame-storerevenuegrowthwas5%orbetterandthreeofthesehavebeeninthelastfiveyearsincluding2015.Wehavehadonlyfiveinstancesinthelast20yearswhenannualsame-storeNOIgrowthwas6%orbetterandthreeofthesehaveoccurredinthelastfiveyears,againincludingthisyear.Andourcurrentoutlookfor2016inwhichwehavegivenaninitialrangeofsame-storerevenuegrowthwithamidpointofnearly4.9%suggeststhat2016isexpectedtobeyetanotheryearofextremelystronggrowth.
Nowyou'veheardussaynumeroustimessincetherecoverythatwefeltwewerelookingatanextendedrunwayofabovetrendperformanceandthatcontinuestobethecase.It'snosecretthatfundamentalsremainverygood.Thedemographicpictureisincrediblyfavorable.Theeconomycontinuestoimproveperhapsnotattheratemanywouldlikebutimprovenonetheless,whichisgeneratingjobgrowth.Again,lessthansomemighthopeforbuttheemploymentratehascontinuedtodropwhichcreatesnewhouseholdmillennialsthathaveahighpropensitytorenthousing,manyofwhichwishtodosoin24/7citiesacrossthecountrythathaveveryhighcostofsingle-familyhomeownership.
Andthistrendwillcontinuebecauseevenwiththeimprovementinjobsandthegrowthinnewhousehold,therestillremainsanelevatedleveloftheseyoungadultscontinuingtoliveathomewiththeirparents.AndIknowbecauseI'vegotoneofthemmyselfandwe'requiteconfidentandinmycasequitehopeful,thattheywillsometimessomedayleavehomeandcreateevenmorenewhouseholdsandthisnewhouseholdswillberenters.
Aswesitheretoday,occupancyhasheldstrongandwereat96.3%.Achievedrenewalratesaveraged7%inthethirdquarterwithOctober,NovemberandDecemberat6.7%,6.1%and6.3%respectively.Weareveryexcitedaboutdelivering5.2%same-storerevenuegrowththisyearandsame-storeNOIgrowthof6.2%.Inaddition,wecurrentlyexpectnormalizedFFOtogrownearly9%thisyearoverlastyear.
Solikeeverycallwe'vehadwithyouthelastseveralyears,we'repleasedtotellyouitremainsaverygoodtimetobeinthemultifamilybusinessandwethinkweareextraordinarilywellpositionedtobenefitfromthecontinuedstrengthindemandforhigh-qualityrentalhousinginthehighdensityurbancoastalmarkets.
Thatleadsmetotheotherreleaseweputoutthismorningregardingthesaleof23,000unitstoStarwoodfor$5.365billion.Thedecisiontoselltheseassetswastheresultofaprocessthatbeganlatelastspring
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werelookingatastockpricethatwastradingatameaningfuldiscounttoNAVandwewereassessingthebestcourseofaction.Wethoughtaboutsellingcoreassets,wethoughtaboutbringingsomeJVpartnersintosomecoreassets.Wekeptcomingbackaskingourselvesaboutwhattodowithassetsinthosemarketsthatwedidnotconsiderlong-termcoremarketsandassetsincoremarketsthatmightnotfitourlonger-termstrategicvisionfortheCompany.Theseassetswouldgenerallybedescribedasoldermostlysuburbaninnaturewithlimitedaccesstopublictransportationservices,themajorityofwhicharesurfaceparks,two-tofour-storywalk-upgardenproperties,notthehighdensityurbanassetswithhighwalkscoresthatwe'vebeenfocusedonthepast10yearsorso.
Andwhilewehavehistoricallyconsideredalloftheseassetsaswarehousesofcapitalthatcouldatsometimeoranotherbesoldandreinvestedintocoreassets,overtimewebecamemoreandmoreconcernedthatrecycling$6millionofcapitalwasgoingtobearealchallengegoingforwardbecauseofthestronginstitutionaldemandforcoreassetsingatewaycoastalcitiesandthecompetitivepricingthatasaresultofthatdemandcausingverydilutivetradesbetweenwhatwewanttosellandthatwhichwouldliketobuy.YetwethoughtthatabsolutevaluationsoftheassetsweknewwerenotlongtermholdswerequitegoodandthatthosevaluationsmightbeatriskbyanyupwardmovementininterestratesaswellaswithanyfuturechangesinliquidityprovidedinthemultifamilyspacebyFannieandFreddie.
Sowebegantothinkthatmaybethebestthingtodowouldbetomonetizethevaluewehaveoftheseassetsthedayanddoaspecialdividend.Themorewethoughtaboutthat,themorewebecameconvincedthatitwasthebestcapitalallocationdecisionwecouldmakeforourshareholderswhichkindofironicallyisalsoverysimilartowhatwe'veseentakeplaceinourspaceseveraltimesrecently--associateestates,homepropertiesandcampuscrestcommunitieskindofapartialgoprivateforcashdeal.
SowetalkedtoahandfuloffolksabletoacquireaportfolioofthissizeandworkedwithStarwoodoverthelastfewweekstoputadealtogether.Thataccomplishesseveralthingsforus.
First,werealizedaverygoodpricingonassetsinmarketsnotconsideredcoreforusandonassetsinourcoremarketsthatdonotfitalong-termstrategicvision.Thesecondthingweaccomplishedisthatwecannowfocussolelyonourstrategyofowning,buildingandoperatingassetsinhigherdensityurbanlocationswithcloseproximitytopublictransportation,jobcentersandotheramenitiesthatcitieshavetooffer.
Intheinvestorpresentationcirculatedlastnight,youcanseethatoururbanconcentrationincreases13%toatotalof78%asaresultofthesetransactions.OurNOIformid-andhigh-risepropertiesincreased21%toatotalof69%andthatourtotalwalkscoresincreased9%toascoreof75.
Oneachoftheseandothermetricsweclearlyleadthemultifamilyspaceandourbeliefisthatlong-termrisk-adjustedreturnsintheurbancorewillexceedthoseinothermarkets.
Soinsummary,fundamentalscontinuetobeverystrongandtoremainstrongforquitesometime.Wefeelverygoodabouthowwearepositionedgoinginto2016andbeyond.Wearealsoverypleasedtobeabletomonetizeourinterestinalargeportfolioofassetsthatdon'tfitourlonger-termstrategicvisionoftheCompanyinasingletransactionandbelievethatreturningthiscapitaltoourshareholdersanddeliveringanunleveragedinternalrateofreturnof11.1%isagoodcapitalallocationdecision.Andbydoingsoinaleverageneutralway,weretainalotofbalancesheetflexibilitygoingforward.
Sowithallthatsaid,Joewillbehappytoopenthecalltoquestions.
QUESTIONS&ANSWERS
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(OperatorInstructions).DaveBragg,GreenStreetAdvisors.
DaveBragg (Analyst-GreenStreetAdvisors):
Thankyou,goodmorning.Thefirstquestionrelatestothe[5-5]caprate.CanIjustconfirmisthataforwardnominalcaprateorsomethingelse?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Thatourforward12withabouta$300replacementreserve,Dave.
DaveBragg (Analyst-GreenStreetAdvisors):
Okay,thankyou.Canyousharealittlebitmoreabouttheprocessitselfincludinghowbig--wasitbidding10forportfolioofthissize?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Wellagain,asInoted,Dave,wejusttalkedtoahandfulofplayersthatwethoughthaddemonstratedtheabilitytodoadealofthismagnitudeaswellastheabilitytomovequicklyonadealofthismagnitude.Afterashortperiodoftime,wedecidedtomoveforwardwithStarwood.
DaveBragg (Analyst-GreenStreetAdvisors):
Okay,great.AndaquestionforMark.Couldyoujustaddressthe2016debtmaturities?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Sure.SothethoughtprocessisthatAtlas,whichisournameforthisprocess,willgenerategiveortake$2billionofcashthatwewereusedtorepaydebt.Sowemayenduprepayingthevastmajorityandprobablywillofour2016maturitiesbutwearegoingtoundertakealiabilitymanagementdiscussionandprocessanditmayendupthatwealsodosomelatermaturitiesaswellandretiresomeofthatdebt.
DaveBragg (Analyst-GreenStreetAdvisors):
Okay,thankyou.
Operator :
NickJoseph,Citigroup.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
Yes,goodmorning,itsMichaelBilermanherewithNick.David,Iwaswonderingifyoucantalkalittlebitaboutuseofproceedsandthedecisiononthespecial?IthinkbacktolastsummerwhenTaubmandidtheirbigsaleactuallytoStarwoodaswellandtheysortofleftthedooropenalittlebittopotentialacquisitionswhichtheysaidweregoingtobeveryunlikelygiventhemarketplace.Butalsotosharebuybacksandthenultimatelythroughaspecialdividendwhichiswhattheyendedupdoing.We'veseenalotofvolatilityjustthisyearinREITvaluationsandI'mjustcuriousareyoucompletelyweddedtodoingthefull$9to$11specialorwouldyouconsiderpotentiallyone,ifanacquisitioncameupdoinganacquisition?Ortwo,buyingbackstock?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Hey,Michael,it'sMarkParrell,IwillstartandI'msurewe'llgetsomesupplementfromDavidNeithercutaswell.
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Soasyouknow,weboughtbackmaterialamountsofstockbeforeandwewoulddosoagain.Butthisparticulartransactionhadahugeamountofembeddedgaininitandinordertokeepthebalancesheet--bythat,Imeantaxembeddedgain--andtodojustaleverageneutraltransactionreallyrequiresusforeverydollarofsalestoputabout$0.35towardsourdebtmaturities.Ourgainpercentagehereapproaches75%.Soasyoucansee,therereallywasn'tanyroomtocapablyoreasilydoastockbuybackwiththeexcessproceeds.Thatsaid,thereisflexibilityonthemargin.Wecertainlycoulddo1031transactionsandtax-freeexchangesifwewantedtooriftheopportunitypresenteditself.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
Justoutofcuriosity,didyoulookatStuyTownatall?Thenumberssortofshapeupprettywellfroma$5.3billionperspective.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Wedidnot,no.Notthistimenorthelasttime.NorthefirsttimeIguessIshouldsay.
NickJoseph (Analyst-Citigroup):
ThanksandthisisNickhere.Forthe2016,thesame-storerevenuegrowthguidancethatyougave,doesthatexcludetheassetsinthemarketsthatyouareselling?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
ThisisDavidSantee.Yes,theguidanceisbasedupon69,240unitsfornextyearwhichreallyisn'tthatdissimilarthanwhatwearedoingthisyear.
NickJoseph (Analyst-Citigroup):
Soifwestrippedouttheassetsthatyou'replanningonselling,whatwouldsame-storerevenueguidancefor2015be?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
Itwouldbeabout10basispointsless.
NickJoseph (Analyst-Citigroup):
Okaysoaslightdecelerationfromcallit[51249]roughlyiswhatisassumed?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
Roughlyyes.
NickJoseph (Analyst-Citigroup):
Great.Justintermsofthemarketcommentary,areyouabletogointoexpectationsforDCNorthernCaliforniakindofthesixcoremarketsfor2016?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
Sure.Icangoaroundthehornprettyquick.Let'sstartwithBoston.IthinkifyoulookedatourBostonresults,Iwasalittlebitbearishonourabilitytoachievea3butIthinkBostonhadagreatleaseup.Ithinkalotofthehead-to-headcompetitionhasbeenleasedupandsoI'malittlemorebullish.Definitelymorebullishonthisyearandgoingintonextyear.
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NewYork,Ithinkisjust--NewYorkManhattanspecificallyisgoingtobestable.Againthisyearit'sourleadsubmarket,Ithink4.8forthequarter.ThenyoujumpovertoJerseyCity.It'sa3.8andtheneverythingelseisa2.8.SoManhattancontinuestobeastrongsteadymarketforusandwewouldn'texpectanythingdifferentnextyear.
WashingtonDC;WashingtonDCisstillIwouldsaybouncingalongthebottom.Wearegoingtoproducepositiverevenuegrowth.Wehaveinourguidancewefactoredinsomemodestimprovement,callit100,150basispointsfornextyearbutreallyit'sjustaboutwherethenewproductis,andwhatproximityitistocurrentassets.ButDCweseedeliveriesaregoingtobe10orlessnextyear.Andwithalotofthechatterinthegovernmentsector,itseemslikeDChasturnedthecornerandthelargestsectorofjobgrowthinthatsectorjobgrowthisprofessionalserviceswhichbodeswellforourportfolio.
Seattle,Seattleweareexpectinganotherstrongyear.Stillalotofcompanies'regionalheadquartersmovingintodowntown.WithAmazoncontinuingtoproduceprofitability,thatbodeswellfortheurbancore.Boeingisdoinggreatbacklogs.Sowedon'treallyseeanychangeforSeattlenextyear.Kindofexpectverysimilargrowthtowhatwe'veseenthisyear.
SanFrancisco,youknowwearealways--wekeepmoderatingwith--it'sprobablygoingtobelessnextyearbutwe'vebeenwrongthelastfouryears.SowearebackingoffalittlebitinSanFranciscobutcertainlydeliveriesarenotgoingtobeanissue.AlotofthedeliveriesaredowntownsowekindofexpectmoreofthesameoutofSanFrancisco.
AndthenallofSoCalreallyisjustit'sgoingtobeaplus5ifnotbettermarket.Allthreeofthosesubmarketscontinuetojustdeliversolidsteadygrowth.TheremightbealittlepressureindowntownwiththenewdeliveriesbutthatwillbemorethanmadeupbythecoastalcommunitieslikeMarinaDelRay.
Sotosummarizeit,WashingtonDCwillbeinitsownbucketnextyear.Seattle,alltheWestCoastmarketswillbeintheplus5bucketandthenNewYorkandBostonwillbeinthat3%to5%bucket.
NickJoseph (Analyst-Citigroup):
Thanks.
Operator :
NickYulico,UBS.
RossNussbaum(Analyst-UBS):
Hi,itisRossNussbaumherewithNick.David,whenyouwentthroughtheprocesstoselltheseassets,didyoualsoentertainsellingthewholecompanyorwereyouexclusivelyfocusedjustonthisportfolio?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Thisprocesswasfocusedstrictlyonthisportfolio.
RossNussbaum(Analyst-UBS):
Didanyofthepeopleyouweretalkingtotrytomakeanofferoryoujustdidn'tgotellthemno?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Theconversationnevercameup.
RossNussbaum(Analyst-UBS):
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AsI'msureyoumightimaginesomefolksthismorningaredrawingsomeparallelstowhenSamacceptedtheGodfatherofferbackin2007forEquityOffice.ItseemsprettyclearwhatyouaredoingheretofocusonyoururbanCBDhigh-riseassets.IsthereamessagethatyouwanttodeliveronSam'sbehalfthatshouldpeoplebereadinginsomehowthatSamisgoingtocallthemarket--topofthemarketplaceinarow?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
WellIdon'tspeakforSambutIthinkmyopeningremarksIthinkprettymuchdescribedwhattheprocesswasandmyconversationswithSamonthematter.Itwasweachievedacoupleofthingswethoughtwereveryimportanthere.IthinksuggestingthatthisisSamcallinganykindofmarketcalliscrazybecauseI'mnotsellingthecompany,we'resellingaportfolioofassetsandweremainfirmlycommittedtowhatwearedoinginthehighdensityurbancoremarkets.SoIthinkthat'sabitofastretchandIthinkthiswasjustasmartportfoliomoveandasmartcapitalallocationexecution.
RossNussbaum(Analyst-UBS):
IthinkNickhasgotaquestionaswell.
NickYulico (Analyst-UBS):
Yesthanks.Justaquestionintermsofnextyear.Areyouusinganysortoftaxplanningstrategypullingforwardincomefromafutureyearthat'sgoingtoaffectyourspecialdividendpaymentinrelationtothesesales?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Hey,Nick,it'sMarkParrell.Wearegoingtopullforwardsomewherebetweencallit$300millionto$500millionof2017dividendsinto2016iswhatourbasecasemodelimpliesrightnow.Aswegetcloserandgetintonextyear,wewillgiveyoumoredetailsonthat.IfyourecallmypriorcommentinthiscallwhenIsaid$0.35plus$0.75,wellthatgetsyoumorethan$1ofsalesproceedsandbypullingthosedividendsfrom2017to2016,webalancethetransactionoutslightlylowerthedividendandgiveourselvesenoughcashtokeepourdebtmetricseven.
NickYulico (Analyst-UBS):
Gotit,okay.Sototheextentthatyousellmore,youareanetsellerofmoreontopofwhatyou'veannouncedtoday,itwouldlikelyrequiremorespecialdividendsnextyear?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Ishouldbecarefulthere.Thethoughtprocess,the$3.8billionprojecteddividendandthe$2billionprojecteddebtpaydownencompassallofthesales,thesaleoftheStarwoodtodayfor$5.365billionaswellastheadditional$700million.Andthereconcilingitemisbothsomecostswhichareactiveactuallyrelativelylowsalecostsandalso$200millionto$3millionof10-31exchangesthatwemustdoin2016duetoobligationswehavetowithvariousOPunitholders.
NickYulico (Analyst-UBS):
Okay,gotit.Thanks,Mark.
Operator :
SteveSakwa,EvercoreISI.
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SteveSakwa(Analyst-EvercoreISI):
Thanks.AlotofmyquestionshavebeenansweredbutIguesstoo,David,justintermsofshrinkingthefootprint,doesthisdoanythingtoG&A?Shouldwebethinkingaboutanykindofcostssavings?
Andthensecondly,whereisyourthoughtprocessondevelopmenttodayaswegetlaterinthecycle?Howdoyouthinkaboutmaybepurchasinglandtoday?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Astoyourfirstquestion,Steve,welosealittlebitofefficienciesbothinpropertymanagementandinG&Aasaresultofthis.Weareabletoscaleupveryeasilyveryefficientlyanditsortofworksagainstyouwhenyougobackwards.Butwethinkit'sanoutcomethatissatisfactoryjustgiventheexecutionthatwethinkwe'regetting.
Andthenwetalkedalotaboutdevelopmentoverthelasttwoearningscallsandwesortofbeguntobackawayfromreallychasinglandatcurrentpricing.Wedidannouncetheacquisitionofacoupleofsitesthatwillbeassembledwiththethirdsitethatwehadacquiredpreviouslythisyear.Sowe'vedonealotalittlebitoflandacquisitioninSanFranciscobutgenerallywe'vetalkedaboutwe'vebeenaddinglandtoourinventoryatamuchslowerratethanwhatwe'vebeenputtingintounderconstructionandwhatwe'vecompleted.Soafterelevatedlevelsofnewdevelopmentstartslastyearandthisyear,youbegintoseethatreducegoingforward.
SteveSakwa(Analyst-EvercoreISI):
Okay,thanks.
Operator :
HaendelSt.Juste,MorganStanley.
HaendelSt.Juste (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Goodmorning.Thanksfortakingmyquestions.Someofthemhavebeenansweredalready.Gotoneortwohereinaddition.I'dliketostartonIguessaquestionontheportfolioofassetsyouaresellingandmaybesomepotentialreadthroughs.
Asyoumentionedinyourcomments,youhavebeencontemplatingthesaleoftheseassetsforoverayeargoingbacktolastspring.Sotryingtofigureoutifyou'retryingtotellusanythingorthemarketoneithersecondarymarketorsuburbanassetvaluebysellingtheseassetstoday.Doyouthinkthatsuburbanorsecondaryassetvalueshavepeakedoratleastthecaprateshavestoppedcompressing?AndthenmaybesomecoloronthedifferentialbetweentheIRforwhatyou'resellingversustheretainedcoreportfolio?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,Iguesslastspringisnotayearago.We'retalkingaboutmoreofasix-monthprocessasopposedtoa12-monthprocess.ButIguessthisisjustareactiontoarecognitionasIsaidinmyremarksthatweownedassetsthatwedidn'tthinkwerelong-termcoreassets.Wewerelookingatachallengingmarketinwhichtoredeploythatcapitalgoingforwardaswellaswhatwethoughtwasaprettydecentbidonthoseassetstoday.Soratherthantreattheseassetslikewehaveinthepastwheretheywerereservoirsofcapitalthatwe'dusedtosellassetsandredeploythatinourcoremarkets,wejustdidn'tfeelthatmightbeassuccessfulgoingforward.
Andthefactofthematteriswearenowverymuchfirmlyineachofourcoremarketsandhavegotgood
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portfoliosandhavegotgoodallocationsinthosemarkets.Anddidn'thavetheneedtotakethatcapitalandputitinamarketssoastoachievesomekindoftoehold.
Sowhetherornotwearea$40billioncompanywithcapitaldeployedacrossthesesixcoastalmarketsor$35billionofcapitaldeployedacrossthesixmarketsdidn'treallymatterandsoaswewereseeingwhatwethoughtwouldbetheprivateequitybidforthesesortofassets,wethoughtitmadesensetogoaheadandseewhatwecouldachievefromthatsegmentandifitmeantthespecialdividend,wethoughtthatwasokay.
HaendelSt.Juste (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Okay,Iappreciatethat.Andthenafollow-upontheprocessitself.Youmentionedthattherewasdecentinterest.Youfocusedonagroupofbidderswhoyoufeltweremorecertaintocloseandquicklyclose.Curiousiftherewasanynegotiationbackandforthonthepricegivenperhapsthemorelimitedgroupofbuyersyouarediscussingandthesizeofthedealitself?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Therewassufficientnegotiationforustogetapricethatwasacceptabletousattermsthatweresatisfactorytousandagain,itcametogetherveryquickly.
HaendelSt.Juste (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Okaybuttobeclear,wasthereanytypeofdiscountgivenheretowhatyouwereexpectingmoreofthepricingcameinspotontowhatyouwereunderwriting?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Ithinkwewereverypleasedwiththepricingthatweachievedinthetransactionandintheentireprocess.
HaendelSt.Juste (Analyst-MorganStanley):
Fairenough,thankyou.
Operator :
IanWeissman,CreditSuisse.
Unidentif iedPart icipant :
Hi,guys.ThisisChrisforIan.Iwasjustwonderingifyoucouldwalkthrougheachofthedispositionmarketsandtalkalittlebitaboutthepricingonpotentiallycapratesonhowtheyrolleduptothe5.5%overallcaprate?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
WellIguessthat'salevelofdetailthatI'mnotquitesurewe'repreparedtogointo.Wereallylookedatthisasaportfolio.I'mnotsurethatthereisawiderangeofcapratespreadbetweentheindividualmarketsbutwereallylookedatthisnotasacollectionofindividualassetsbutasonelargeportfolio.
Unidentif iedPart icipant :
Gotyou.Okay.Whenwelookattheoverallportfolio,OrangeCountyandSanDiegokindofstickoutasthesubmarketassetsthatareleftin--orthesuburbanassetsleftintheCompany.Didyougiveanythoughttosellingordownsizingthosemarkets?AndIguesssecondly,wasthereanyotherassetsthat
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youweretryingto--whenyouwerenegotiatingonthesalethatyou'dliketohaveincludedinthedisposition?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Look,SouthernCaliforniaissortofbyitsnaturemostlysuburban.ImeanallofCaliforniaofourassets--we'vegotsomedowntownSanFrancisco,we'vegotsomedowntownLAbutgenerallyifyoulookatthedifferencebetweenwhatIsaidwasoururbanconcentrationandourwhatwasthatthatisnothigh-riseormidrise,that'sreallyalotofCalifornia.
Sono,wedidnotconsidersellinganythingmoreinanyofthosemarkets.Wesoldeverythinginthisportfoliothatwewantedto.Theonlythingswedidnotincludeinthisportfolioarethoseassetsthatwe'veindicatedinthereleasethismorningthatweintendtosellduringthebalanceof2016whichwethoughtwerenotnecessarilyadditivetothisportfoliobutwouldbeabetterexecutioninaone-offsmallportfoliolikeexecutionthroughout2016.
Unidentif iedPart icipant :
Okay,fantastic,thankyou.
Operator :
JanaGalan,BankofAmericaMerrillLynch.
JanaGalan (Analyst-BankofAmericaMerrillLynch):
Goodmorning.Thankyou.I'malsoherewithJeffSpector.David,maybefollowinguponthosecomments,I'mcuriouswhetheryouthinktheprivatemarketisgivingportfoliosapremiumoradiscountandmaybewhyyouchosetoearmarkthoseassetsforaportfolioversusthe26assetswhereyouwilllooktodoindividualorsmallportfoliosales?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,IguessIwouldwanttotellyouweareobviouslysatisfiedwiththeexecutionofthispricingandwehadanexpectationthatwegetgoodpricingjustbecauseoftheactivitywehadseeninthemarketplaceandwedidnotwanttogothroughalengthyprocessoftryingtoselltheseonaone-offbasis.Thismakessenseinonebigportfoliothatwecanthenthinkaboutaone-timespecialdividendandjusthavethewholethingmakesense.Thiswouldhavebeenaverydifficultprocesstoachieveinanyothermannerandwedonotbelievewehadtogiveanythingonpricinginordertogetitdoneinonefellswoopandweareverysatisfiedwiththeoverallpricing.
JanaGalan (Analyst-BankofAmericaMerrillLynch):
Thankyou.
Jef f Spector (Analyst-BankofAmericaMerrillLynch):
Great.David,thisisJeff.Justonequickquestion.Thekeyfocusforushasbeentheriseofsecondarycities.AndI'mjustcuriousifEQRismessaginghereormakingastatementthatEQRdoesnotreallybelieveinthelongevityoftheriseofthesesecondarycities,let'scallthembecoming24/7.Although,realistically,there'snotthatmany24/7citiesintheworld,butIunderstandyourstrategy,andit'sconsistentwithwhatyou'vesaid.Justontheseothermarkets,isitjustnotsomethingyoubelieveinlongterm?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
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Ithinkallthesemarketsarereallygoodapartmentmarkets,Jeff;wereallydo.WethinkDenverisagoodapartmentmarketandwethinkSouthFloridaisagoodapartmentmarket.We'vebeenunabletoseeourwayintoowningthesehigherdensityassetsinthosemarketsandbelievethatthesuburbangarden-likeproductwearesellingtoStarwoodarebetterownedbypeoplethathaveadifferentcapitalstructurethanwedoandthatourfocushasbeenforowningwhatweconsidertobemoreforever-likeassetsinthehighdensityurbancorearebetterassetsinourcapitalstructure.Ithinkthattheseareterrificmarkets;theydoverywell.Ithinktheyarealittlemoresusceptibletosupplyoverthelongertermandwethinkthat,withinourcapitalstructure,thelong-termrisk-adjustedreturnswillbebetterintheurbancorethaninthesuburbanproduct.
Jef f Spector (Analyst-BankofAmericaMerrillLynch):
Okay,thankyou.Congratulations.
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TonyPellow,JPMorgan.
T onyPellow(Analyst-JPMorganChase):
Thanksandgoodmorning.Canyoutalkalittleaboutwhatyouthinkthelonger-termdeltaisbetweentheNOIgrowthandyoursixkeymarketsversussaytheseassetsthatyouaresheddinghere?Becauseitseemslike,intheshortrun,it'snotthatappreciablydifferent,butwanderinglongertermwhatyouthink.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Look,asDavidindicated,sellingtheseassetswouldactuallybedilutiveto2015same-storerevenuegrowth,butwethinkabouttotalreturnoveranextendedtimeperiod.Andifyouthinkaboutwhatarealcashoncashreturnoftheseassetswouldbeasopposedtojustthecaprate,it'slessthanthislevel.WealsothinkthatthereismorerisktovalueoftheseassetsasIsaidduringmyopeningremarkswithrespecttorisinginterestratesoranychangeinliquiditythatFannieandFreddiecanprovide.Sothisisnotsimplyacallaboutlong-termrevenuegrowth.AlthoughIdobelievethathistorywouldproveoutthattheurbancorehasoveranextendedtimeperioddonebetterinlonger-termtoplineandprobablybottom-line[growth],butit'salsojustIthinkalittlebitahedgeaboutpotentialvaluationsandwejustthinkit'stherightlonger-termperspective.
T onyPellow(Analyst-JPMorganChase):
Okay,gotyou.Mark,IthinkyouwentthroughthisandI'mprobablygoingtomakeyourepeatthisforasecond,butthe$2billionincashavailabletorepaydebtnextyear,that'sinclusiveoftheNortheastassetsthatyouintendtosell?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Yes,sir.
T onyPellow(Analyst-JPMorganChase):
Isthatright?Okay,soshouldthinkaboutitaslike$6.1billionproducingthe$2billionofcashroughly?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Yes,sojusttoreconstructthatforyou,thesourcesanduses,socallitabout$6.1billionofsaleproceeds,callitaround$300millionthatwehavetoreinvestinassetswhereyouhavetodotax-freeexchangesfor,sothatleavesyou$5.8billion.Whenyoutryandsolvebackwardstokeepyourcreditmetricsabout
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constant,thatmeans,ofthat$5.8billion,$2billionwillbeusedtorepaydebtandabout$3.8billionwillremainforthespecialdividend.Therearesomeimmaterialcostsandroundinginthereaswell,butit'snotsignificant,Tony.
T onyPellow(Analyst-JPMorganChase):
Okay,gotit,thanksforclarifyingthat.Mylastquestionon4.5to5.25revenueguidefor2016,canyouputsomemaybebroadereconomicbracketsaroundthatintermsofwhatkindofjobgrowthdoweneedtoseetocomeinatthehigherendorlowerendofthatrangeandperhapsmaybewhat'sinthebagatthispointfromjusttheearn-in?Justtryingtounderstandthesensitivityaroundthatrightnow.
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Wekindofthinkaboutitinverysimpleterms.Sowehaveabout2.3%embeddedgrowthinourrentroll.Andwethink,justlikethisyear,withthenewportfolio,we'llseerentgrowthinthecallit5.5.Andyoufigurethattheeasymathisyou'llgetabout45%ofthat,whichis2.5,2.75.So2.3embedded,2.5,2.75getsyouto4.95.Wearenotunderwritinganyadditionalpickupsinoccupancy.Althoughthatcertainlycouldbethecaseifthemarketscontinuetotighten,butasfarasforecastingnextyear,wearejustkindofholdingoccupancyflat.
T onyPellow(Analyst-JPMorganChase):
Doesthatimplythoughthatjobgrowthinyoursixkeymarketsneedstoequatetosomethingfairlycomparableto2015tokindofhitthatsimilartop-linenumber?Isthatfairor--?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Iwouldsayaslongaswehoveraround175to200[jobs],thatwewillbejustfine.
T onyPellow(Analyst-JPMorganChase):
Perfect.Gotyou.Thankyou.
Operator :
AlexanderGoldfarb,SandlerO 'Neill.
AlexanderGoldfarb(Analyst-SandlerO 'Neill):
Goodmorning.Thanksforlighteninguptheearningsweek;Iappreciateit.Quickquestionshere.Mark,thecommondividend,shouldweanticipatethatgettingresizedoryouguyswillmaintainit?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Aswesaidintherelease,justtobeclear,thedividendthatwearegoingtopayinJanuarythatwillbedeclaredinDecemberwon'tbeaffectedbythistransaction.Whateverthetrusteesdotheydo,butitwon'tbeaffectedbythistransaction.IwouldexpectustoresizetheannualrunratedividendthatwouldbethenpayableinApril2016.
AlexanderGoldfarb(Analyst-SandlerO 'Neill):
Okay.YouguysinthemarketwithoneofyourapartmenttowershereinNewYorktoacondoconverter.Areyourthoughtstocontemplateothercondoconversionsales?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
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SoweareofferingforsaleapropertyontheeastsideofManhattan,whichwethinkisonethatlendsitselfbettertocondominium-typeownership.ThisisthekindofactivityIthinkyouwillseeusmoredogoingforward,Alexandwe'renowfocusedsolelyonourcoremarkets.Here'sanopportunitywethinktomonetizehopefullygoodvalueofthisassetandredeploythatintosomethingthatmightbeabetterlonger-termrentalplay.Soit'spossible;we'llseewhathappens,butifwedon'tgetanumberwelike,wewon'ttrade.Ifwedo,itwillbebecausewethinkit'sagoodpriceandagoodvaluerelativetohowwethinkwecanredeploythatcapitalintoanotherasseteitherinNewYorkorinoneofourothercoremarkets.
AlexanderGoldfarb(Analyst-SandlerO 'Neill):
Okay.Andjustfinallythemilitaryassets,itseemslikethatonewouldbesortofnextfordisposition,butdon'tknowifthere'sanythingcontractualortaxoranythinglikethatthatwouldmakeitstaywithinEQR.Sothefutureofthemilitaryassets?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,wehavenocontractualobligationtocontinuetodothat.ThesaledoesrequiresomeapprovalsfromlendersintheArmy.Ifandwhenthathappens,itwouldbesubjecttotheirapproval.Wehavenocontractualobligationtocontinueforanylengthoftimeourmanagementandownershipofthatasset.
AlexanderGoldfarb(Analyst-SandlerO 'Neill):
Okay,thanksalot.
Operator :
RobStevenson,Janney.
RobStevenson (Analyst-JanneyMontgomeryScott):
Goodmorning,guys.Mark,Iknowyouuse300ofCapExinthecapratecalculation,butonarealdollarbasis,what'sthemaintenanceCapExperunitonthesalesportfolioversusEQRasawholefor2015?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Wedon'thavethatlevelofdetailrighthereinfrontofus,Idon'tthink.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Icantellyouthoughthatonaforwardrunrate,the5.5caprateinthisportfoliowethinkafterCapExismorelikea5.3,soonarealsortofAFFObasis,Rob.
RobStevenson (Analyst-JanneyMontgomeryScott):
Okay,helpful.Andthenisthereanythingthatyousittingheretodaythatyouguysseehittingsame-storeexpensesmateriallyoverthenextfivequartersotherthanthetypicalpropertytaxandwagegrowththat'sgoingtodriveyoumuchabovethe3,3.25runrateonthesesame-storeexpensesthatyouguyshavebeenaveragingrecently?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
ThisisDavidSantee.Hereishowwethinkabout2016taxes.Weknowthat--I'msorry--expenses--weknowthat2016realestatetaxesaregoingtohavea5handleprimarilybecauseofthestepupinthe421-ataxabatements.Weknowthatpayrollshouldprobablycomein3%orless.Weknowthatwe'vealreadylockedinmaterialdiscountsandsomecommoditycostsfornextyear.Sothosethreecategories
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makeup70%ofourtotalexpense.Soifyoudothemathonthat,there'snoreasonwhy2016shouldn'tlookverysimilarto2015.
RobStevenson (Analyst-JanneyMontgomeryScott):
Okay.Andthenlastquestion,youtalkedalittlebitaboutdevelopmentearlieron,butintermsoftheshadowdevelopmentpipelineandthestuffthat'snotreadytostartyet,howbigisthattodaythatyoucouldenvisionstartingoverthe2016,2017period?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Asyouknow,it'snotasbigaswhatwe'vedoneinthepastseveralyears,Rob.In2016,wecouldstartcallit$500millionor$600million,Isuppose.Ithinkthat'saprettygoodrunrateforusgoingforward.
RobStevenson (Analyst-JanneyMontgomeryScott):
Okay.Thanks,guys.
Operator :
VincentChao,DeutscheBank.
VincentChao (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
JustaquickquestiongoingbacktotheassetsthatareforsaleinNewYorkCity.Thatisaboveandbeyondthe$700millionthat'scontemplatedin2016,Ibelieve.Justcuriousgivenallthecommentaryabouthowdifficultitistodeploy,whatwouldbethemostlikelyuseofproceedsthereandforanyothercondo-typeconversionorotherassetssalessimilartothat?Whatdoyouthinkthebestuseofcapitalistoday?Itsoundslikestartsaren'tcomingdown,soImeandevelopmentswillbeapartofthat,butI'mnotsureifthat'sreallygoingtobeabletoabsorballofthat.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Wellthedifficultyofredeployingcapitalwasreallyrelativetotheyieldsthatwewouldrealizeonthoseassetswewanttosell.Sothisisa5.5capratetransactiondealwithStarwood.Difficulttothinkthatwecouldredeploythatatareasonablerelativecaprateseeinghowassetsinourcoremarketstodayaregenerallytradingwitha3handle.IfwearesuccessfulingettingthebidthatwehopewecouldteaseoutofthemarketonourdealinNewYork,wemayactuallybeabletoredeploythatassetaccretivelyinoneofourcoremarkets.SoourexpectationatthecurrenttimewiththatiswhatwouldhappenwiththeproceedsifwearesuccessfulsellingthisparticularpropertyinNewYorkCity.
VincentChao (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
Gotit,thanks.Thatmakessense.Justgoingbacktothe$700millionofdispositions,6to6.25caprateonthoseRelativetothe5.5fortheStarwoodportfolio,assumingthat'sjustgeneralgeographiesthatyouaresellingbeingdifferent,aswellasmaybesomeassetquality,butjustcuriousisthereanyembeddedassumptionofjustgeneralcaprateincreasesinthat6to6.25givensomeoftheconcernsaboutthenon-corenon-urbanassetsyoumentionedbeingmoreprice-sensitive?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Thedifferenceinthosecaprateshasnothingtodowithanexpectationofachangeincapratesbetweennowandthen.It'sjustsimplyrecognitionthatit'sadifferenttypeofpropertythatwouldlikelytradeataslightlywidercaprate.
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VincentChao (Analyst-DeutscheBank):
Okay,thanks.That'sallIhad.
Operator :
DanOppenheim,Zelman&Associates.
DanOppenheim(Analyst-Zelman&Associates):
Waswonderingifyoucanjusttalkaboutyourviewintermsofvolatilityasyounarrowthefocusintofewerandfewermarkets.Probably[infuse]abitmorevolatilityintotheresults,butIguessespeciallyintermsofthisareaouthereintermsofNorCal,howyouarethinkingaboutthatintermsoftheexposuregoingup?We'veseenextremelystrongrentgrowthasit'sbeen.Youaredeliveringacouplemoreprojectsinhere,plusbuyingmoreland.Itsoundsasthoughyouaremorebullish,althoughthecommentswereaboutthinkingaboutthatit'sgoingtomoderatealittlebithere.Howdoyouthinkaboutthemarketoverall?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,wedon'tsuggestforaminute,Dan,thatSanFranciscohasnothaditsupsanddowns.Infact,it'sprobablyhadperhapsmoredownsthanmanyothermarkets,butwedorecognizethatitisamarketplacethathasalwayscomebackandcomebackfairlyquicklyandestablishedsortof(inaudible).Sowhenwelookattheassetsweownthereandlookattheassetsthatwearebuildingandthepricesperfootperpoundthatwearebuildingthoseunits,weaskourselvesnothowdowefeelaboutthisassetassumingthesetreescontinuetogrowtothesky,buthowdowefeelaboutowningtheseassetsattheselevelsforthenext25or30years.Withthatperspective,wearequitecomfortablewithwhatweownandcomfortablewithwhatwehaveunderwayatthepresenttime.Again,thatdoesnotmeanthatthingscan'tsofteninthatmarketplace.Wehavenotunderwrittenthemagainwiththesekindsofyear-over-yearrevenuegrowththatwe'veseenoverthepasthalfadozenyearsandwejustthinkthat,overthelongerterm,thesewillbegoodassetstoown.
AndIwilljustsortofmentionthatwhenwebuiltthetowerinBrooklynhalfadozenorsoyearsago,whenthatdealwasdelivered,itwasmaybeworthwhatitcosttobuild.Butweknewlongtermitwasagreatasset,well-locatedandwedoverywellwithitandwhenthemarketstabilized,wedoverywellwithitandit'sworthaconsiderablepremiumtodayforwhatitcosttobuild.Ithinkwetakethesameapproachreallyonanythingthatwebuild.Welookatthelocation,lookatthequalityoftheproduct,ourbasisperunitpersquarefootandaskourselveshowdowefeelaboutbeinginthisproductoveranextendedtimeperiod.Notjustarewegoingto--we'renotmerchantbuilders.We'rejustnotworriedaboutwhatthespreadis24monthsafterdelivery,butisittherightassetforustoownforourshareholdersoveranextendedtimeperiod.
DanOppenheim(Analyst-Zelman&Associates):
Great,thanks.
Operator :
RichAnderson,MizuhoSecurities.
RichAnderson (Analyst-MizuhoSecurities):
Thanks.Mark,yousaid$300millionyouareobligatedtosellorbuythrougha1031exchange.Whatothertaxprotectionsarelingeringintheremaincoportfolioafterthesale,ifany?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
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Yes,Ishouldhavebeenalittlemoreprecise,Rich,withthat.Wearen'tobligatedorinclinedto1031that$300millionjustbecauseoftheimplicationsithastousinourOPunitprogram.Wedon'thaveto.WehaverelativelyfewassetsthatarecoveredandIthinkthatwouldprobablybesomethingbetweenaround30afterthistransactionthatmighthavesomesortofobligation,maybealittlebitlessofonekindoranotherwhereyouwouldneedtodosomesortoftax-freeexchangeoryou'dhavesomeamountyouwouldoweyourpartner.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Letmequalifythatjustalittle,Rich.Iwanttomakeitclearthattheseareunrelated,unaffiliatedOPunitholderswhowouldhavetaxesinthe100%s,verysignificanttaxandwefeelinclined,asMarksaid,withalimitedamountof--particularlyasitrelatestothesizeofthistransactiontotryand1031thosedealsandwearequiteconfidentthatwewillbeabletodosoinassetsthatwewillbereallydelightedtoownoverthelongterm.
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Andjusttofinishthethought,wethinkthatprotectstheOPunitcurrency.Ifyouareabletotakecareofthesepartnersevenwhenyoudon'thaveto,wethinkaswegooutandtryanddomoreandmoredealsthatdohaveOPunitcomponentsbecausewedothinkit'sattractivetodothatincertainpointsofthecyclethatthatwillbeappreciatedbythemarketandbyoursellers.
RichAnderson (Analyst-MizuhoSecurities):
Gotyou,thankyou.SoDavid,anothercutyoumentioned,thesearemarketsnotnecessarilygrowthiermarketsoverthelongtermthatyou'reholding,butjustbetterfromaperspectiveof25years.Soyouaresayinglike,astheenvironmentchanges,interestratesgoup,thesecoastalbarriermarketsyoujustthinkwillperformbetteror--whatisthethesisifit'snotaboutgrowth?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Iwasn'tclearIguessthen.OneisIwasthinkingaboutintermsofabsolutevaluewithrespecttointerestrates.
RichAnderson (Analyst-MizuhoSecurities):
Okay.
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Wesaidinthematerialsthatwesentoutaspartofthepressreleasethatthereisagoodbidfortheseassetstodayfromleveragedbuyerstakingadvantageoflowinterestrates.SoIthinkthattheseassets,asIhadmentionedearlier,arebetterownedIthinkbyaleveragedbuyerandthereisfavorabledebttodayatfavorablerates.Shouldthatchange,wethinkwe'dseeabiggerimpactonvalueherethanwewouldifanyinthehigherdensitycoremarketswherewehavemostofourcapitalinvestedtoday.
RichAnderson (Analyst-MizuhoSecurities):
Perfect,thankyou.DidanyREITsgetinvolvedintheprocessfortheassetsale?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
WedidnothaveanyconversationswithanyotherREITs.
RichAnderson (Analyst-MizuhoSecurities):
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Okay.Andlastquestion,youmentionedthe$700milliontogowillbekindofone-offishorsmallerportfolios.Anychancethatthatcouldactuallymorphintoasinglebuyersituation?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Isupposeitispossible.We'dprobablybedelightedifthatweretooccur,butjustgiventhenatureoftheseassetsandforthoseofyouwhohavebeenaroundtheblockforawhile,theseareprimarilyassetsthatweacquiredinagrowthtransaction,sotherearealotofsmallerassets,smallerunitcount,smallerpricepointsandwethinkwemightachievemaximumoptimalpricingonaone-offsortofbasis.Butifthereweresomeonewhowereinterestedinmeetingourexpectationsonaone-offdeal,wewouldbedelightedforthattohappen.
RichAnderson (Analyst-MizuhoSecurities):
Great.Okay,greattransaction.Congratulations.
Operator :
TomLesnick,CapitalOneSecurities.
T omLesnick(Analyst-CapitalOneSecurities):
Thanksfortakingmyquestions.Soonthe$700millionNewEnglandportfoliofornextyear,itseemslikeyouguysareprettyconfidentonpricingandhaveaprettytightbandthereoncaprates.Iwasjustwonderinghowfaralongyouwereinthemarketingprocessforthatandifyoucouldofferanycommentaryontimingfornextyear,whetherit'sprobablymoreweightedtowardsthefirsthalforsecondhalforwhatever.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,Iguesswehadseveraloftheseassetsoutinthemarketplacebeforewereallygotunderwaywiththislargerprocess.Wehadagoodsenseofpricing.I'llalsojusttellyouthatweareactiveinthemarketsfollowingdealsandsowejusthavegotareallygoodhandleonwhatwethinkvaluationsare.I'llremindyouthatwhenweannouncedtheArchstonetransaction,wehadgivenourBoardsomeguidanceastowhatwethoughtwewouldachieveinsellingthe$4.5billionofassetsthatweusedinthe1031tradeonArchstoneandwesoldthoseatsomethinglike99.7%ofourexpectation.Sowe'vegotaterrificteamouttherethatareinthesemarketseverydaytakingcareoftheseassets,tryingtounderstandthemandunderstandthemarketplaceandwejusthavehighregardfortheintelligencethattheseguysgiveusandexpectationsofwhatwewillbeabletoachieveonthisportfolio.
T omLesnick(Analyst-CapitalOneSecurities):
Makessense.AndthenonthelandacquisitionsinSanFrancisco,justcuriousifyoucouldshedsomecoloronwhereinthecitythoseareexactlyandwhenyoumightexpectcommencementofthosedevelopmentstarts.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,thesetwositeshavebeenassembledwithathirdsitethatwe'vepreviouslydeployedearlierintheyearandtheyareadjacenttoourSoMaSquarepropertyintheSomasubmarketofSanFrancisco.Theexpectationthereisthatwecanbegintostartin,maybeinthefirstquarterof2017,thatwillbe$170millionorsoprojectandagain,welovedowntownSanFrancisco.Wethinkwewilldoverywellwiththattransaction.
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Great.AndthenmostofmyquestionsontheStarwoodtransactionhavebeenansweredatthispoint,butjustahousekeepingquestion.Lookingbackatyour2Qsupplement,theassetcountandunitcountisslightlydifferentthanwhat'spresentedinthetransactiontodayexitingthemarket.Ithinkyouguyshad19assetsinDenverand35assetsinSouthFlorida.Iwasjustwonderingwhatthecoupleofassetstherewerethatwerethedifference.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Yes,well,followinguponRichAnderson'squestionandansweramomentago,thereareafewassetsthataretax-protectedorareJVassetsinDenverandinSouthFloridaandthat'sthedifferenceinthecount.Thosewillbesoldordealtwithseparatelyoverthecourseof2016.
T omLesnick(Analyst-CapitalOneSecurities):
Okay,sorryaboutthat.Thanksfortheclarification.
Operator :
WesGolladay,RBCCapitalMarkets.
WesGolladay(Analyst-RBCCapitalMarkets):
Hello,everyone.Congratulationsonthetransactionandthanksforprovidinganinitiallookinto2016.Whenyoulookat2016,whichmarketswerethehardesttoforecast?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,Iguess,bydefault,WashingtonDC.Wearestartingofftheyearwithprettymuchflatembeddedgrowth.Soanythingweachievewewillhavetoearnnextyeareitherthroughrateoroccupancy.
WesGolladay(Analyst-RBCCapitalMarkets):
Okay.Andthenforthetransaction,theassetdispositions,isthereanydeferredCapExassociatedwiththattransactionprice?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
No.
WesGolladay(Analyst-RBCCapitalMarkets):
Okay,thanksalot.
Operator :
TayoOkusanya,Jefferies.
T ayoOkusanya(Analyst-Jefferies&Co.):
Justalongthosesamelineswiththe2016same-storerevenueguidance,couldyoujusttalkalittlebitaboutmarketswhereyouactuallythinkyoushouldseebettersame-storerevenuegrowthin2016versus2015andmarketswhereyouactuallyexpectittoslowandthenwhenyoukindofrolleverythingup,youcomewithaslightslowdownversusoverall2015?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Well,sothemarketsthatwethinkwoulddobetterwouldbeOrangeCounty,potentiallyLAandBoston
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andpotentiallyNewYorkandDC.Seattle,Ithink,isnotless,butclosertothesameandthenSanFrancisco,wehopeitwilldothesame,butwe'rejustcautiousaboutforecastinganygainsoverthisyearintonextyear.
T ayoOkusanya(Analyst-Jefferies&Co.):
Makessense.Thankyou.
Operator :
DrewBabin,RobertW.Baird.
DrewBabin (Analyst-RobertW.Baird):
Goodmorning.Iwashopingyoucouldinmoredetailbreakdownwhatyouareseeingonthesupplysideinthemarketsthatyouareexiting.Are2016deliveriesacrosstheboardhigherthantheywerein2015orisitmoreofalong-termissue?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Onthosethatweareexiting?
DrewBabin (Analyst-RobertW.Baird):
Correct.
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
Well,Denver--thisisDavidSantee--Denverisdeliveringover12,000unitsthisyearandIwouldtellyouthatwewouldexpectthisportionofthattobleedintonextyearwithalotofconcentrationinthedowntownarea.Thenfor2016,asoftoday,ourforecastsarethatitdropsdownto6500units.Butwhenyouaretalkingaboutgardencommunities,thereisnotalotofbarrierstoentryinDenverandthis6500numbercouldgrowto7500or8000veryeasily.
SouthFloridareallyisalmostthesamepicture.10,000plusunitsbeingdeliveredagainin2015.Ithinkwhat'sdifferentinSouthFloridaisthatalotofthesenewdeliveriesareprettymuchallalongI-95,ifnotalleastofI-95,stretchingfromMiamiallthewayuptoWestPalmBeach.AndthenverysimilartoDenver,itdropsdownto5500for2016,butagainwithlowerbarrierstoentry,permitting,whathaveyou,toscrapeandbuildtwo-story,three-storygardenwalk-upcanbedoneveryquicklyinthosemarkets.
DrewBabin (Analyst-RobertW.Baird):
Thankyou.Secondly,justtalkingaboutthebroadercycle,Iwaswonderingifyoucouldhighlightthekeydifferencesbetweenthetimeperiodnowversusgoingbackto2005,2006.Capratesseemtobekindofinthesameplaceorevenlowerthantheywereatthatpointintime.Whatarethekeydifferencesthatyouareseeingonthesupplysideorrelationshipversusthatcost,thingslikethat?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Ithinkthedebtcostsareaboutthesame.Therecontinuestobeagreatdealofequitychasingthesedeals.Theremightbelessabsoluteleverageavailable,butthere'sstillalotofdebtavailableatveryattractiverates.Anythingtoadd?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
No.
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DrewBabin (Analyst-RobertW.Baird):
Thankyou.That'shelpful.
Operator :
AaronHecht,JMPSecurities.
AaronHecht (Analyst-JMPSecurities):
JustwonderingifyoucouldoutlineyourNOIexposurebymarketfollowingthesedispositions.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
NOIexposureby[month]?Giveusasecondhere.
AaronHecht (Analyst-JMPSecurities):
Okay.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Wearediggingforthatone.Holdonjustasecond.
AaronHecht (Analyst-JMPSecurities):
Noproblem.
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
Sothisisafteralltheexpecteddispositions.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
BetweentheStarwoodtransactionandthe$700millionthatwilloccurlaterintheyear.Sowewouldexpect,andIwouldsaytheseareallroundednumbersaround--NewYorktobearound20%ofNOI,maybeabitmore;WashingtonDCtobeabout19%,SanFranciscotobeabout18%,LAabout15%,Bostongiveortake11%,Seattleabout8%,andthentherest,reallySanDiegoandOrangeCountyeach4%andthatjustaboutgetsyoualittlebitlessthanInlandEmpirethatwilllikelybeincludedthenexttimewereportnextyearinourLosAngelescountbecausetheyareonthefarwestandreallyaredrivenbyOrangeCountyorLAmoresothantheInlandEmpire.
AaronHecht (Analyst-JMPSecurities):
Gotit.AndthenjustweallsawthearticleintheWallStreetJournalabouttheparcelvolumesincreasingbasedonWebservicesandthereweresomequotesfromyouguysinthat,butjustwonderingwhatyourtakeisonhowthat'simpactingexpensesandNOIanddoesthisbecomeabiggerissuenowwiththedispositionsgiventhehigherexposuretomidandhighrisebuildings?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
ThisisDavidSantee.Certainly,thereisamuchbiggerburdenongardencommunitiesbecausetheydon'thavedoormen,theydon'thaveconcierge,whathaveyou.Wehaveallbeenworking--mypartnerat[Camden]--wehavehadconversationswithUPSandFedExandwhathaveyou,butwe'vehadavery--webuiltaproprietarypackagenotificationsystemprobablyfourorfiveyearsago.Isitaburdenonsomeoftheproperties?Yes.Wehavetriedseveralpiecesoftechnology,whichareonlyrealpartial
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answerstotheproblem,butIthinkoverthenextyearorso,wewillbeclosetoproviding100%solutioninbuildingswherewedon'thaveconciergeordoormen.Butwedobelievethatifyouliveinadoormenbuildingoraconciergebuildingthatacceptingpackagesisabasicexpectationofourresidents.
AaronHecht (Analyst-JMPSecurities):
Andisthesolutioninthoseotherbuildingselectroniclockers?Isthatwhatyouarereferringto?
DavidSantee (EVP&COO):
No,Idon'twanttosaywe'veruledthelockersout,butthere'salotofnuanceswiththelockers.Whensomeoneordersfourtires,theydon'tfitinoneofthoselockers.Andthenthere'sallthisuniquejockeyingbetweenthetimethepostalperson,FedExandUPSguysdeliverandtheyjockeyforlastpositioninhopingthelockersarefilledsothattheycanjustdumptheirpackages.Soit'saveryinterestingsubjectthatwehopetosolveoverthecourseofthenextyearorso.
AaronHecht (Analyst-JMPSecurities):
Gotit.Well,congratsonthetransactionandgoodluck.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Thankyou.
Operator :
NickJoseph,Citigroup.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
Yes,thisisMichaelBilermanwithaquickfollow-up.Obviously,asaseller,youaremostconcernedwiththebuyer'sabilitytocloseandfundthetransaction.I'mjustcurious,asIassumethisisgoingtobealeveragedtransaction,howmuchhaveyoualreadybeenworkingwithStarwoodintermsofthedebtfinancingandwhatcanyoutellusaboutthattoday?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
AllIcantellyou,Michael,isthatwehavedonetheappropriatediligencethatwewouldneedtodoonatransactionofthismagnitudewithrespecttoequitysourcesanddebtsourcestogiveusgreatcomfortthatthey'llperformasexpected,whichwouldbeverysimilartothewaythey'veperformedoverthelastseveralweeksbetweenthetimeweagreedondoingthisdealandtoday'sannouncement.Theyhavedoneeverythingthey'vesaidtheywoulddoandwe'vedoneourdiligencetogiveuscomfortthattheywillbeabletocontinuetodothatandcloseontimeasweexpect.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
Isthereanyfinancingcontingencyatallinthetransaction?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
No,sir.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
AndthenInoticedtherewas--thedealwasdonein10separatepurchaseandsaleagreementsandtheclosingisinsevendifferentbuckets.Canyoujusttalkaboutwhattherationale--aretheysplittingitup
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tomultipleequitypartners?Istheredifferentleverageprofilesinthedifferentbuckets?Isittimingintermsofgettingadebtpackage?Whatdrovethattypeof--?
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
It'sreallymostlythereweresomepropertiesthatrequiresomeconsentsandapprovals.There'ssomerightsoffirstofferthatsomecountieshave.There'salsoourdesireonpropertiesthatMarksuggestedthatwewouldwantto1031tohaveourselvesbeabletogetalittleextratimeifneedbe.Sothelion'sshareofthiswillhappeninonefellswoop,butthentherewilljustbe--andeveninthosemultiplebucketscouldbeatthesametime,butitwasjustawaytofacilitatetheoveralltransactionandallowforsomeoftheseotherconsentsandapprovalstobereceived.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
IsthereanyG&Asavingsatall,evenafewmilliondollarsthatweshouldbethinkingaboutaswearemodelingthroughwhattheCompanyispostthe$6billionofassetsales?
MarkParrell(EVP&CFO):
It'sMarkParrell,Michael.Atthispoint,whatIwouldtellyouiswerunaprettytightshipalreadyandIthinkDavidNeithercutspoketothescalingcomment.ItwasrelativelyeasyforustoscaleupforArchstone,whichdoesimplyit'srelativelydifficultforustojustsuddenlyscaledown.SoI,atthispoint,wouldn'thaveyouprojectanythingmeaningful.
MichaelBilerman (Analyst-Citigroup):
Okay,thankyou.
Operator :
Andatthistime,wehavenofurtherquestionsinthequeue.
DavidNeithercut (President&CEO):
Allright.Thankyouallagainforyourtimetoday.WelookforwardtoseeingmanyofyouinLasVegasinjustafewweeks.Haveagreatday.
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