Ethnosocionics - Integral Types of Nations

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The concept of integral types in socionics applies very

well to entire nations, which can be seen as large cells where different kinds of

information take on different priority and are arranged in a way that is reminiscent

of socionic types. Most obvious is the leading information element in each nation

this element becomes the national "common language" the default group

language when people from a certain country gather together or make

acquaintances.

information

elementnations where this element is dominant

Israel, ancient classical Greece? Armenia?

China? Italy, much of Central Asia and Caucasus region

U.S., England, English-speaking Canada, Australia, New

Zealand

many Catholic countries, including much of Latin America

Russia, India

Japan, Finland, much of sub-Saharan Africa?

Germany

Ukraine, Slovakia?, Estonia?

*Go here to recall the aspects of reality that these information elements represent

Integral types of nations are closely related to language and religion. For

example, most of Europe is made up of rational integral types (logic or ethics as

the leading function), while most of Asia is irrational (intuition or sensing). Within

European civilization, countries where protestantism dominates generally have

logical integral types, while Catholic cultures are almost always ethical. Extravertedlogic is the common language of all English-speaking countries, which currently

dominate the spheres of science and technology. Russia, while belonging to greater

European rational culture, has an irrational mentality that is reflected in its Asian

leanings and its particular breed of creativity within the western world. The Asian

religions of Hinduism and Buddhism, unfathomable to the Western mind, are

dominant in India and China, where irrationality flourishes. Islam, like most of

modern Christianity, is a religion with a rational mindset, however, separate Arab

countries have not been studied closely enough to confirm their integral types.

Note that the predominant view of religion and spirituality in each country

corresponds well with the "innate spirituality" of its integral type.
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01/31/2006 kopernikus

Very interesting. However does this mean that wherever a particular function

seems to dominate a culture there are a) more people of types dominated by that

function b) more people of types dominated by that function having important roles

in the shaping of society, or c) simply the predominance of the particular mindset a

certain function brings?

01/31/2006Author

Good question. Socionists disagree a bit on the answer. I think most would agree

with b). I personally believe that there are probably slightlymore people with the

particular dominant function in society and that they are more often found in

influential positions where they would be looked up to as role models, but I don't

have any statistics to back up my opinion, just logic and my own experience. If a

society takes on a particular "lopsidedness" (as all do), then that would mean there

are more niches available of a certain kind, which would encourage those who

naturally have these traits to make more active use of them and move to the

forefront.

02/07/2006Bionicgoat

Considering nations and ethnic groups as larger social organisms that in ways

display socionics types tends to suggest a new way of viewing humanity. Does the

analogy hold up at that level? Do nations and ethnic groups of two different types

tend towards the relationship socioncs dictates between them?

02/07/2006Author

"Intertype relations" between "social organisms" that can be given an integral type

actually seem to break down at this level, though some socionists (i.e. Bukalov)

might argue that they are still distinguishable. The reason for this breakdown, in

my opinion, is actually quite simple. Humans are designed to share and cooperate

organizations are designed to be self-sufficient and ever-expanding. Where have

you seen organizations (for example, countries) who coalesce with each other in a

symbiotic relationship as people tend to do? I'm sure it could be argued that some

pairs or small groups of organizations tend towards a sort of peaceful coexistence

due to the particularities of their integral types. However, intertype relations

become quite a bit fuzzier than with people.

09/12/2006Anonymous

Both China and Korea are strong in Si but they're both Js. China is TiSe while Korea

is FiSe. Chinese and Koreans are very traditional and conservative. Korea is an F

country. Amongst the three East Asian countries, Korea is the one that is most

concerned about morals and love for one another. Japan is TeSi. These countries

are all obvious Js. The Japanese, too, are very traditional and they're famous for

their neatness and orderliness. None of these countries is irrational because they're

all relatively stable in their energy level and are fairly persistent.

I assume that by China being Se dominant, you mean China is SeTi.

I would like to add one more place, Hong Kong, which is TeSi. Although it is part of

China, it was ruled by Britain until towards the end of 1997. The British Gov't

according to Dimitri is TeSi. I'm not familiar with the British culture so I'm not sure

if that's right or wrong. And, when the Communist Party came to power, many

merchants in Shanghai and other provinces fled to HK and many of them were


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TeSi. All these make HK an TeSi. HK is a free port, has a very simple tax system,

low tax rates, minimal Gov't interference in businesses and it is not a socialist

jurisdiction. In short, HK focuse s just on how to make the most money . A very ExTj

behavior. Hong Kongers are not very innovative and they're quite materialistic and

frankly quite shallow, therefore, HK should be TeSi.

May I ask why you think Anglophones in Canada is Te dominant? Canada is famous

for its humanitarian deeds. And it's a very tolerant country and economically

speaking, Canada has never ever put others down for its self interest. It has also

repeatedly apologized and compensated the Chinese, the aboriginals, etc, that it

has wronged in the past. Canada might be close to the US, but the cultures of the

two countries are quite different.

02/01/2007Author

Sorry for not responding to the previous post for so long. I'm hesitant to write

more about ethnosocionics because I don't fully buy it. I recognize certain socionic

traits in the cultures I know well, but I'm not confident applying whole types to

cultures I don't know very well...

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