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Great Eastern Railway: The Buses 1904-1922

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Cover Illustration: No. 11 (CL201), one of the Stratford-built buses outside Ipswichstation. Note the luggage compartment behind the drivers seat. (LTHL collection).

CONTENTSThe Great Eastern Railway - Fleet History 1904 - 1922………………………………

The Great Eastern Railway - Bus Fleet List 1904 - 1922.…………….…….……….

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First Published 2016 by The Local Transport History Library. Second Edition 2017.

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Having watched with interest as the Great Western Railway and the North EasternRailway commenced motorbus operations and having visited the G.W.R. and seen theoperations for themselves, the Great Eastern Railway decided to apply for powers tooperate omnibuses, resulting in the Great Eastern Railway (General Powers) Act of1904. The act granted them powers to operate omnibuses and to carry mail.

The G.W.R. had purchased a number of Milnes-Daimlers and, as there was aninducement of 10% discount if three vehicles were purchased, three were duly ordered.

On the 18th July 1904 the three 20 hp Milnes-Daimlers commenced the G.E.R.'s firstservice between Lowestoft, Kessingland and Southwold. The drivers were recruitedfrom the G.E.R.'s locomotive department and were issued with a navy blue uniform,whilst the conductors (recruited mainly from the G.E.R.'s porters) were issued with akhaki and grey uniform. The service proved successful and it was planned to openmore new routes the following year. The tickets used were of the Punch type.

The Locomotive Superintendent at the Stratford Works in London was worried aboutthe initial cost of the Milnes-Daimlers and suggested to the General Manager thatbuses could be constructed by the G.E.R. themselves at the locomotive works and,furthermore, this could be done for around £600 per vehicle as against the £810 paidfor the Milnes-Daimlers. The General Manager agreed and full authority to construct12 new buses for the following year was given.


This staff photograph taken at Chelmsford in 1905 clearly shows the differences in uniforms. (LTHL collection).


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The Milnes-Daimlers were received in a standard brown livery that was applied by thecompany to all double-deck vehicles before delivery, to which the G.E.R. had simplyadded its coat-of-arms to the lower panels and the wording 'Great Eastern Railway' tothe top deck panels. The destination was shown on a route board above the lowersaloon windows.

The new 'Stratford' buses, however, were liveried in red and white and this wasadopted as the standard livery - the Milnes-Daimlers being repainted at the nextoverhaul. Great Eastern Railway was carried across the radiator. Some buses hadluggage compartments behind the bulkhead losing seats, whilst others were builtwithout. Every part of the bus was built at Stratford, except the low tension magnetoand the carburettor. They were built on frames (as opposed to a chassis) in the styleof a railway goods wagon - with springs to match, making them one of the mostuncomfortable buses ever built! They weighed in at nearly 5 tons compared to around3¾ tons for commercial double-deck buses. They also cost considerably more (around£1000) than their commercially produced counterparts.

As the new buses entered service new routes were opened. A circular tour commencedat Lowestoft on the 7th August 1905 running for two summer seasons. On the 14thAugust a similar service commenced at Clacton and ran to St. Osyth for three summerseasons. A service between Ipswich and Shotley Pier commenced on the 21st Augustand this ran throughout the year. Services from Norwich to Loddon and Beccles; andto Trowden Station (near Norwich) followed on the 29th August and three days later


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a service from Colchester to West Mersea began to run. On the 8th September 1905,with the final delivery of the Stratford vehicles, services from Chelmsford commenced;to Writtle; to Danbury and to Great Waltham.

With the glut of new services came problems - the Stratford buses did not perform welland, along with the Milnes-Daimlers, were more off the road than on it. Overloadingwas a problem, with in excess of 60 passengers sometimes crowding on to a bus builtfor 36! In an effort to ease the situation some services were curtailed for a while - butin December 1905 all services were suspended, since the Locomotive Superintendentcould no longer guarantee their operation. The Stratford buses were stripped down tothe frames and fitted with new springs and all services had resumed by March 1906.

At the end of 1905 orders for further double-deck buses were placed - 3 Thornycroftsand 3 Maudslays, but in the event the Maudslays were delayed and did not arrive untilthe following year.

The services, however, were not proving financially successful and early in 1908 thefare was raised from 1d per mile to 1½d per mile. It was also decided to cut some ofthe services and as a result several of the routes were withdrawn in February 1909,leaving a number of buses spare, however this resulted in services being maintainedfor the next few years. Fares returned to 1d per mile later in 1909.

In the summer of 1912 United Automobile Services began operations in Lowestoft and


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the Council granted the company licences to operate to Southwold. As a result theG.E.R. withdrew their services from the 18th January 1913.

An agreement was reached with the National Steam Car Company of Chelmsford inJuly 1913 for the company to operate the railway bus services there - the last G.E.R.bus running on the 13th July 1913. This resulted in more spare vehicles and some weresold off, including the Milnes-Daimlers and some of the Stratford-built buses.

Strangely, however, a new service was commenced on the 1st April 1914 betweenHarwich and Upper Dovercourt, which was contracted out to Thomas Tilling, althoughthe intention was to run this service as a 'summer only' operation. Tilling initially usedtwo vehicles based in West Street, Harwich that carried 'Great Eastern Railway' alongthe lower deck panels whilst carrying Thomas Tilling on the upper deck panels.

The Norwich to Loddon route continued throughout the Great War but by 1919 the fiverailway buses were worn out and due for replacement. 6 Thornycroft J chassis wereordered, seating 28 they were to be bodied at the Stratford Works but were actuallybodied elsewhere. They were delivered in a livery of blue and white. The Ipswich toShotley service was re-instated in 1919 (it had been withdrawn in 1916 when ShotleyRoyal Naval Station became a prohibited area) using 3 of the Thornycrofts. TheNorwich to Loddon and Beccles service was also restored at the same time, althoughby August 1920 United Automobile Services had acquired the licences and the 3Thornycroft vehicles used to operate it.


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In April 1922 the Eastern Counties Omnibus Company offered to buy out the G.E.R.'sinterest in the Ipswich to Shotley route, which was agreed, thus ending the GreatEastern Railway's venture into bus operations.

The contracted service between Harwich and Dovercourt, however, continued to beoperated by Thomas Tilling until 1st January 1923 when the Great Eastern Railwaybecame part of the London & North Eastern Railway, who sold the licences in October1923.


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Great Eastern RailwayBus Fleet List

1904-1922

This listing is in the format - Year into Stock; Fleet No; Reg. No; Chassis; ChassisNo; Body; Seating.

1904

1-3; BJ203-205; Milnes-Daimler 20hp; ? ; ? ; O18/16RO

Withdrawn 1909 (3), 1914 (1-2).


No. 1 (BJ203) the first of the Milnes-Daimlers when new and still wearing the brown livery in which it wasdelivered. (LTHL collection).


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1905

4-6; BJ318-320; G.E.R. 30hp U58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/16RO7; F1499; G.E.R. 30hp U58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/16RO8-9; BJ329-330; G.E.R. 30hp X58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/12RO10-11; CL200-201; G.E.R. 30hp X58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/12RO12; F1610; G.E.R. 30hp X58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/12RO13; F1612; G.E.R. 30hp X58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/12RO14; F1614; G.E.R. 30hp X58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/12RO15; F1613; G.E.R. 30hp X58; ? ; G.E.R.; O18/12RO

Nos. 4-7 had no luggage compartment and 2 extra seats beside the driver. Theywere designated by the GER as “Class U58”. They had garden seating on the upperdeck and transverse seating in the lower saloon.No. 12 had 4 seats fitted into the luggage compartment at a later date becomingO18/16RO.No. 8-15 had luggage compartments fitted and had 2 extra seats beside the driver.They were designated by the GER as “Class X58”.Withdrawn unknown (4, 7-11, 13, 15), 1913 (5), 1914 (6, 12, 14).


No. 9 (BJ330) one of the Great Eastern Railway’s Stratford-built buses with luggage compartment andshowing the two extra seats beside the driver. (Postcard from the LTHL collection).


No. 12 (F1610) was another Stratford-built bus, this one was allocated to the Colchester and West Merseaservice as shown. The luggage compartment was later fitted with seats. (LTHL collection).


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1906

16; F1874; Thornycroft 24hp; 581; ? ; O18/16RO17-18; BJ415-416; Thornycroft 24hp; 582-83; ? ; O18/16RO

Nos. 16-18 had 2 extra seats beside the driver.No. 18 was fitted with Ch23 body for summer season in 1912. The original body wasrefitted at the end of the season.Withdrawn unknown (16-18).

1907

19-21; F2440-2442; Maudslay 30hp; ? : ? ; O18/16RO

Nos. 19-21 had 2 extra seats beside the driver.Withdrawn unknown (19-21).


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1914

- ; LF9851; Tilling-Stevens TTA1; ? ; Tilling; O18/16RO - ; ? ; Tilling-Stevens TTA1; ? ; Tilling; O18/16RO - ; LH9196; Tilling-Stevens TS3; ? ; Tilling; B32R

The first two vehicles were on contract from Thomas Tilling from April-November1914 and carried 'Great Eastern Railway' on the lower panels. They were replaced byLH9196 later.

1919

14-16; CL3216-18; Thornycroft J; 7430/49/32; Hora; B28F17-19; DX2173-75; Thornycroft J; 7463/66/52; Hora; B28F

Withdrawn 1920 (14-16), 1922 (17-19).


LF9851 was a Tilling-Stevens TT1 that was on contract from Thomas Tilling during 1914 for use on theHarwich Pier and Upper Dovercourt route as shown on the route boards. (LTHL collection).


This is LH9196 a Tilling-Stevens TS3 which was used on the Harwich to Dovercourt route after the double-deckvehicles had been returned in 1914. It was also on contract from Thomas Tilling. (LTHL collection).


In 1919 the G.E.R. purchased 6 Thornycroft J buses. This is No. 17 before delivery and registration. It passedto Eastern Counties in 1922 with the licences for the Ipswich to Shotley route, but was quickly disposed of.(LTHL collection).

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