Greenkeeper or Superin tenden t '-Opinions of Officers and District Vice-Presidents OJ

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John MacGregor Against ChangeCHICAGO GOLF CLUB-CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

I HAVE been req uested by Mr. Power of theNational Greenkeeper to give my opinion on theproposed change of the name of green keeper tosome other more appropriate name. After read-ing our president's opinion in the last issue ofthe NATIONAL GREENKEEPER I have notchanged my opinion. I would like to read manymore for and against the change.

Nly view of the art of green keeping coversthe entire maintenance of the golf course. Goodgolf essentially comes from good greens. Inyears gone by, the putting green was practicallyall tha twas necessa ry for a good game of golf j

what other name could have been chosen forthe man in charge of the greens but green-keeper.

As the game of golf progressed, so the art ofgreenkeeping must necessarily keep up with orahead of the game; this meant the green keepermust improve conditions between the teeing-offplace and the green. This meant finer turf onwhat we now call the fairway, a limited spacewhich necessarily had to be cut, leaving oneither side, longer grass known as the roughwhich also had to be mown to a certain length,then traps, bunkers, and other hazards, soils,grasses, chemicals, fertilizers, the care and opera-tion of machinery, the handling of men to pro-duce the almost perfect playing condition ofthe golf player-all of this has just naturallyenlarged the job of the man who used to lookafter the putting greens on the old time course.

The name greenkeeper then, seems to me tobe a very appropriate one. \X1ewill be knownas greenkeepers, no matter which name may bechosen. The mortician is still and always willbe known as the undertaker; I doubt if we everwill require the services of the gentleman tobury the name greenkeeper.

John Pirie Against Change\X1HIPPOORWILL COUNTRY CLUB-

CHAPPAQUA, NEW YORK

IN ANSWERto your letter of June 3, with refer-ence to the proposed change of name from

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"Greenkeeper" to "Golf Course Superinten-dent," I wish to state that I am distinctly not infavor of any change in the name. My reasonsare many and varied, but to be brief as you re-quest my ideas are as follows:

I am a great follower or believer in Tradition,and I would sooner have the golfing public comeon my course and inquire the identity of theGreenkeeper rather than the Golf Course Super-intendent.

\X1ith reference to Colonel Morley's article rethe changing of the name Steward to ClubManager we have a striking example of this atour Fisher's Island club. During the last fiveyears the name Steward was changed to ClubHouse Manager, but when a meal is consideredespecially fine the members of the Club alwaysask the identity of the Steward rather then theClub House Manager.

In my opinion golf has already been strippedof some of its finest traditions and I am verymuch in favor of keeping the name, just as is.

Alex Binnie Against ChangeSHOREACRES GOLF CLUB-LAKE BLUFF,

ILLINOISIN expressing my views through the NationalGreenkeepers' paper, our president lays greatstress on the word superintendent. \X1hat doesthat word mean? To your chairman of theGreens, and to ourselves, it means nothing, ab-solutely nothing, for you and I are just thegreenkeeper.

Is the word greenkeeper above the standingof our profession? No, it is not. It strikes meat times that some of our boys get conflictedwith the term "green cutter." There is a closeresemblance between the two bodies, because ifyou don't take your cutters into your confidencein regard to their work, you are not going toget the best of results from your employees, andyou are to them just plain boss. That is all youare, just plain boss.

\X1hat is in the name if you don't produce?You may call yourselves anything you like, butyou will still be the greenkeeper.

The changing of the name in my estimationmeans nothing, but don't lose sight of the factthat the time is coming when the NATIONAL

GREENKEEPER will rrfMen will be proud tocalled "greenkeeper."one that cannot be tacause he wants to becOlto have a thought, amoney cannot buy. Gclassed like an ordinar;trade that you might n:money and name. It iyour employers the vel

I can't help thinkilpoet, when I read the epear lately in our golfour name, when he said,the gif tie gae us to see 0

Maybe it should havepower the gift give mlsee -111 e."

Now, that is just heto our employers. An(him just as good as youpoor, then you know jI can't write it, but ychave an idea of what ye

Our worthy presiderkeeper should be verslpathology, and entomolthree distinct professiolknow what each one st:that plant life is botanyget all of our goa ts. '-"brown patch"?"damology."

As regards en tomolremedies that you can bworms, chase out thebeetles, so after all, wha1

The green keeper dtiremedies, so give creOlchemist deserves a lot ojof our grounds.

John Gray AJESSEX GOLF ANIJ

SANDWICH, ON

REPLYING to your leWence to the poll tha t )'l

~ Shall We Change Our Name?tIle N. A. G. A. regarding this important question.~~,~-name "Greenkeeper"1.what it stands for.ave the honor of beingIt is a profession, andght to anyone just be-~~agreenkeeper. He hasf')ought that time and~nkeeping is not to betrade. It is above anyne. It isn't a matter ofsimply a case of giving. best that is in you.5 of our great Scotchfferen t articles that ap-papers about changing'Oh, would some powerrsilves as others see us."Icen, "Oh, would someto see myself as others

1/ we are going to lookyou're going to look togreens are. If they are1St what your name is.I know, or at least youI should be called.: tells us what a green-J in; namely, botany,.gy. Yes, he has nameds, and how many of usnds for? \VIe do knowbu t pa thology seems torhat is John hinting at(!ell, I think this is

Igy, there arc lots of

tthat will bring up thets, and kill off the

, in a name?n~give us all of our~nere it is due. Theglory for the condition

;ainst ChangeCOUNTRY CLUBrt\RIO, CANADA

r of June 3, with rcfer-u are taking regarding

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change the name "greenkeeper" to golf coursesuperintendent," it is my opinion that forthe present time at least, the word greenkeeper,is more appropriate.

This for the reason that since the early stagesof the game of golf, the man who took care ofthe course has always been designated the"greenkeeper. "

John Anderson Against ChangeCRESTMONT COUNTR Y CLUB-WEST

ORANGE, NEW JERSEY

S HALL we change our name?-"No." So itwas decided at the last meeting of the Associa-tion of Greenkeepers of New Jersey.

This question tha t is being discussed all overthe country at the present time, was brought be-fore the members at the last monthly meeting,and after a heated discussion, it was decidedto let the title remain "Greenkeeper" for thepresent. For what is good enough for the Na-tional Association of G:reenkeepers of America,is good enough for us.

At the same time this question should getvery careful study and thought, from the dif-ferent groups, from all angles. My opinion is,that the title "Greenkeeper" is befitting our pro-fession until we find a better one, and one that ismore suitable.

Ever since I can remember, the man who wasin charge of any golf course in Scotland, wasknown as the "Greenkeeper," and "Supt." or"11anager" was not thought of, nor would havebeen recognized. Today the Association ofGolf Greenkeepers of Great Britain is still thesame, and I do not hear of any change up to thepresent time. The man who is in charge of anygolf course, has a primary duty to his members,that is, give them fine turf from tee to green.Most of his time is spent in working out the bestway to produce this turf, and after getting it,fighting to keep it. So that after all "Green-keeper" seems to me to be the logical title.

Since president John Morley gave his viewsin the magazine, I have no doubt there will bemany discussions among the men relating to thismatter, and it will be very interesting to hearthe different opinions.

Hugh C. Moore Against ChangeST. SIMON'S ISLAND GOLF CLUB-ST. SIMON'S

ISLAND, GEORGIAI READColonel Morley's editorial and I surelydid enjoy it. I do not see any reason why weshould change from greenkeeper to golf coursesuperintendent. \VIe have been known as green-keepers as far back as the ancient days of golfand to be frank I think it should be left toColonel Morley's own personal judgment. Hehas done more for us than we realize, so whyshould we not leave it up to him.

I believe it is his desire for us to be known asgreenkeepers, therefore I am in favor of beingknown as green keeper. It's good enough for me,for I am really proud of my profession and onlyhope that I can continue on the balance of mydays and be called a greenkeeper.

Joe Williamson Against ChangeSCIOTO COUNTRY CLUB-COLUMBUS, OHIO

IN RESPECTto the proposed change of the nameof our profession, personally I can discover nopossible reason for any alteration whatever.

Greenkeepers arc what we are and always willbe as long as we profess green keeping as our call-mg.

There are numerous qualifications necessaryto become a real greenkeeper and to be able toaccomplish successfully the problems of caringfor a golf course. I for one am quite satisfiedwith the title "Greenkeeper"-but I do hope tosee it on a much higher plane in the futurewhere it will be recognized among the arts andsCiences.

The name is obviously fitting and rightfullybelongs.

George Davies Against ChangeBIG SPRINGS GOLF CLUB-LoUISVILLE,

KENTUCKYI THINK it is the most ridiculous thing I haveever heard to change the name from greenkeeperto superintendent.

Anyone can be a superintendent, but thatdoes not make him a greenkeeper, as we knowgreen keepers.

It is as green keepers we have built up our as-

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golf course. Nobody suspected him of knowing any-thing, other than mowing grass.

Through organizations such as the National Green-keepers' Association, the golf world has learned that thegreenkeeper is responsible for the great pleasure derivedfrom the game of golf today. They are not only respect-ed by the club officials as guardians of the clubs' mostprecious asset, TURF, but their advice is sought on everypolicy the clu b effects pertaining to the golf course.

The word "greenkeeper" like many English words hasundergone a change, whereas in previous years it meant agrass mower. Today it is synonymous with a man whodedica tes his life to every branch of TURF cuI ture.

I agree with President John 1\10rley that the wordsuperintendent is ambiguous and in no way helps thesitua tion; golf course manager is better; grounds man-ager leaves out the word golf. I am in favor of retainingthe original word GREENKEEPER.

Herbert E. Shave Against ChangeOAKLAND HILLS COUNTRY CLUB-

BIRMINGHAM, MICHIGAN

THE old name is good enough for me. \Xfe have alwaysbeen known as such and why change it.

If the majority want to change, follow John MorIey'sidea.

R. E. Farmer Against ChangeBRYNWOODCOUNTRY CLUB-

:MILWAUKEE, \X1ISCONSIN

THE word "Grccnkeeper" was probably started fromthe phrase "The Keeper of the Greens." The word hasbeen used so long now that it is considered English. Itis no longer a common or a slang word.

Many greenkeepers have charge of the golf courseproper, many look after the club house grounds andgreens, and some greenkeepers manage the club house

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sociation, our good name and standing in the golf world.If we become superintendents, we absolutely lose ouriden tity with golf.

Greenkeepers we have been for the last hundred years,and if I have my way, greenkeepers we will remain.

o. E. Evans Against ChangeCOUNTRY CLUB-YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA

IN answer to your letter of the 3rd of June I wish tosay that I have read the "Editorial" written by ouresteemed president, Colonel John MorIey.

The name or word "Greenkeeper" may not soundlarge enough to some of the brothers, but to me it impliesa large and scientific profession.

I would say that as a suggestion we might try to edu-cate the public to the full meaning of the word HGreen-keeper."

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T. H. Riggs Miller Against ChangeRICHMOND COUNTY COUNTRY CLUB-

STATEN ISLAND, NEW YORK

YOUR letter of June 3rd to hand, re a discussion as towhether green keepers should call themselves green keep-ers or superintendents.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."For a number of years a greenkeeper was more or less aglorified foreman, considered as a necessary evil on a

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CHARLES ERICKSONMinneapolis, Minn.

JOSEPH WILLIAMSONCoillmblls, O!Jio

HUGH C. MOORESI. Simons Island, Georgia

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HERBERT SHAVEBirl1lingbam, Micbigan

ALEX BINNIECbicago, III.

HUGH LUKEGarden City, L. I.

Prominent Greenkeepers Speak OutHere are some of the N. A. G. A. officialswhose letters are published in this issue.

JOHN ANDERSONWesl Orange, N. J.

GEORGE DAVIESLOlliwi/le, Krnlllcky

ELMER F. AFFELDTRos/)'ll, L. 1.

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and the grounds. This difference in an official capacityis hard to explain unless you say he is a greenkeeper, amanaging greenkeeper, or a manager and green keeper,

Some greenkeepers supervise the maintenance of othercourses. He is considered a supervisory greenkeeper.The word superintendent of grounds does not separatethese distinctions.

Since our official magazine is called "The NATIONALGREEN KEEPER" there seems little need to change thename. The greenkeepers themselves will have to showtheir employers that distinction which they are seekingto adopt with a new word.

Carl A. Bretzlaff Against ChangeMERIDIAN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB-INDIANAPOLIS,

INDIANA

IAM not in favor of changing the name of "green-keeper" to "golf course superintendent," at least, notuntil the approval of the entire membership of the Na-tional Greenkeepers' Association is received. I cannotsee what would be gained by changing the name, especi-ally just when the organization is becoming well-known.

For your information, the Indiana Greenkeepers' As-sociation recently changed their name to "Golf CourseSuperintendents of Indiana," but this was done at atime when I was laid up with pneumonia and unable toexpress my dissapproval. I think this should have beenbrought up at an annual meeting, after the entire

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membership had had an advance notice of such a con-templated change, and given an opportunity to havetheir say.

G. W. Earl Against ChangeOGDENSBURG COUNTRY CLUB-OGDENSBURG,

NEW YORK

IN reply to your letter of June 3rd, asking for myopinion regarding the changing of the name "Green-keeper" to that of "Golf Course Superintendent," I wishto state that I am not in favor of changing the name"Greenkeeper," as I feel that word is more appropriatefor the profession than "Superintendent."

John Quaill For ChangeHIGHLAND COUNTRY CLUB-PITTSBURGH,

PENNSYLVANIA

LAST summer I had occasion to visit a golf course inCentral Pennsylvania and of course the first thing thatcame into my mind was, "Where is the green keeper andwho is he?" After inquiring as to his whereabouts, Ifound him busily engaged with a pick and shovel dig-ging a French drain. I made myself known and afterchatting a while, I found that he regularly mows s:xgreens every morning, rakes most of the traps, cutsseveral tees and what have you to do.

Asking if the course was public or private and findingout that it was a private club with plenty of money andthey were willing to spend it to have a good course, Ibegan wondering what was wrong with the fellow.Here was a nice little eighteen-hole layout with wonder-ful possibilities and here was a GREEN KEEPER whowas doing the work of about two men to keep it goingwhen he could have hired another man to do the workand then seen that the work was done. 'This illustratesmy idea of a GREENKEEPER.

The next day on my way home, I stopped in a townfor lunch and as I came out of the restaurant, I saw a carparked by the curb with Green Knoll Country Clubpainted on the side. A very prosperous looking man wasin the drivers seat and my curiosity was aroused andupon inquiring I found that he was the SUPERINTEN-DENT of a prosperous country club about four milesfrom town. I was invited to stop over and look his placeover and have a chat with him on the latest methods ofgolf course maintenance.

Arriving at the club, I asked for the superintendentand was informed he was in his office. I entered a nicelittle room where I found the man I was looking for. Onthe walls he had pictures of his course and several others.There were blue prints showing the whole layout, waterdrains and other things which an accurate record shouldbe kept of. He was dressed up with a nice clean shirtand light trousers.

\0/ e started out over the course and I could tell a man

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who was used to SUPERINTENDING was on the job.He didn't do the work himself, he saw that it was done,and that it was done in a satisfactory manner. This manwas a SUPERINTENDENT. He didn't keep thegreens, he saw that they were kept.

As to golf course managers, I have also seen one ofthat type. He sat in an office most of the day and had agreenkeeper report to him for orders. The pro, caddymaster and other outside help was also under him. ,Allhe did was to give suggestions and as long as everythingwent along all right I suppose he had a job. But whenit comes down to seeing that the course is in the best pos-sible shape, it is up to a superintendent.

I have often heard the golf course superintendentscalled groundskeepers, golf keepers, caretakers and ahost of other names. Would it not be better to designatethem as superintendents and have everyone understandthat that is what they are instead of every other personguessing what a greenkeeper is. I am very heartily infavor with the movement to change the name and wasone of the instiga tors in changing the name of the West-ern Pennsylvania Greenkeepers' Club to the Tri-StateGolf Course Superintendents' Association.

This change was suggested by a Chairman of GreenCommittee and endorsed by the Sales Manager of a largemanufacturing concern. It has met with the approvalof all Green committeemen in this district and we werecomplimented on our foresight. If it works in one dis-trict it will work in another. I am for the INTER-NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GOLF COURSESUPERINTENDENTS.

Elmer F. Affeldt For ChangeENGINEERS' COUNTRY CLUB-ROSLYN,

LONG ISLAND,N. Y.A FTER reading the opinion of our worthy president,Colonel John Morley, and various other high lights inour organization located in different sections of thecoun-try, regarding the name of our organization, I have with-held my reply to your letter of June 3rd, until after themonthly meeting of the Long Island Greenkeepers' Asso-ciation, which was held last night June 9th.

After a lengthy but very fair discourse of the subjectit was decided and carried by unanimous vote that thename should be changed from "Greenkeeper" to "GolfCourse Superintendent."

It was brought out that the name. "Greenkeeper"originated in Scotland where the Royal and Ancientgame came from many years ago, and that in those daysthe name was most fitting as his duties were to keep thegreens, and that the sheep in grazing kept the fairwaysand tees, hence the title "greenkeeper."

Today this mode of golf course up-keep has changed.The man in charge of a course has many duties to per-form, he must be of great diversity, viz constructionsuperintendent, landscape superintendent, expert me-

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Of course the mere changing of the name from green-keeper to that of golf course superintendent will not helpa man in holding his job any better, but it does seem thatthe title of superintendent will help in elevating the manin charge of a million dollar or more investment morequickly to the professional class where he rightfullybelongs.

Many still believe that the greenkeeper, or greensmanis the fellow who cuts the greens, and is therefore moreor less a laborer, it never occuring to them the myriadsof duties that he really performs.

Hugh Luke For ChangeGARDEN CITY COUNTRY CLUB-GARDEN CITY,

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However, just to be off the fence, I am in favor of"Golf Course Superintendent."

Jerome MacDonald For ChangePALMETTO GOLF CLUB-AIKEN, SOUTH CAROLINA

REPLYING to your letter of June 3rd, I have read theeditorial of our president, Colonel Morley, and have notgiven it much thought as yet, but would say that I wouldrather have the name changed to superintendent if itwill not do any injury to our profession as a whole.

David Tait For ChangeNORTHWOOD COUNTRY CLUB-MERIDIAN,

MISSISSIPPI

IN my opinion it's the only thing to do. Greenkeepinghas gotten way beyond a job and I am heartily in favorof the change.

James Muirden Says ManagerRIDGEWOODGOLF CLUB-CINCINNATI, OHIO

I HAVE received your letter of June 3rd, and also haveread with great interest Colonel Morley's editorial in theNATION AL GREEN KEEPER.

After giving this matter serious consideration mysuggestion is that the name golf course manager wouldbe the most suitable and appropriate.

J. o. Campbell Says Manager\'\fETHERSFIELD COUNTRY CLUB-HARTFORD, CONN.

I HAVE just read Co!. John Morley's editorial in theNATIONAL GREENKEEPER. I believe the time is herewhen we should change the name to something otherthan "Greenkeeper."

I agree with Mr. Morley that "Golf Course Manager"is a better name than "Superintendent." It better de-scribes us. One definition of a manager is a skilfuleconomist, and ~hat's what a great many of us are.

I believe if a poll were taken of all the members, agreat majority would decide on "Golf Course Man-ager."

Ford Goodrich Says ManagerFLINT COUNTRY CLUB-FLINT, MICHIGAN

IF THE majority of members feel that the name of ourorganization should be changed, let us take Colonel

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As for me the name greenkeeper is O. K.

ation and cannot be decided upon in too great a hurry,so believe the best thing to do is to leave this matter inthe hands of Co!. John Morley or other officials who arebetter versed in the choosing of tides.

Charles Erickson Says Let's VoteMINIKAHDA CLUB-MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA

I AM in reeei pt of your general letter of June 3rd inwhich you express Co!. John Morley's opinions with re-gard to the name Greenkeeper and Golf Course Super-intendent.

We, in Minnesota, feel much the same. A short whileago we changed our name to Superintendent, but thiswas not satisfactory with a great many of the boys. Formy part I believe the name Greenkeeper carries as muchweight as the name Golf Course Superintendent.

We had a meeting today at the Somerset CountryClub, St. Paul, Minn., and talked over this matter. How-ever, we could not come to any agreement. We are notentirely satisfied with the present name, or the proposedname, and believe something more scientific could beadopted. This is a matter that requires special consider-

James Connaughton Says Let's VoteMONROE GOLF CLUB-PITTSFORD, NEW YORK

IN reply to your request of June 3rd, I would suggestthat the question of changing the name of greenkeeperto golf course superintendent be taken up at the nextannual Convention, which will be held in New YorkCity.

I believe it necessary in order to avoid misunder-standing in the future and in order that each and everygreen keeper in good standing who belongs to the N a-tional association be given the privilege to express hisopinion by ballot as to whether or not the name green-keeper should be changed to golf course superintendent.

As a rule green keepers are shrewd, competent, honestand sincere and according to my way of thinking canand will deal with any important question in regard totheir profession.

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