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Jacques JL Intronuced with a Keinembrance o f Jacques Ellul " ...... • .1 '"'IT r'"11 u .... y · \ f " \ ~ T 1 { 1 \I V 'u-1 •• .L.....JCl'f 1'-"· ". ... . . ; Jacques Ellul died on l vi av 1 9, 1 99 4, at l{is home in Pessac, Fr~nce, ncar the University of Bordeaux \vhere he served as professor of th e l-lis tory a n ~ S O ~ i o l o ~ y T of insti ttl tions in th e 1:-" ac u 1 tv or La \v a n d E c o ~ non-'de Scienc~s frorn 1946 to 1980. Though blessed by vigorous health throug'hout hi s life, Ellul ha d been bothered by heart prob len-LS over the past de ca de and: nlorc seriously, by lyniphatic can cer in the past two years. He died at home in the presence of his chii dreD; Jean, Yves, an d Dominique. Another son, Simon, died in 1947 at the age of six. J cques Ellul's wi fe, Yvette, to VI/hom he ha d been married for 54 years, died in April 1991. It is ironic that just as C. s. Le wi s' s d ea th On November 22, 1963, \vas ovcrshado\-vcd by that of John F. Kennedy, so \\'as Ja ques Ellul's death on ~ y 1 a y 19, 1994, ovcr shado\ved by that of Jacqueline Kennedy. Fo r n1e, ~ y f a y 19 h as alvvays been significant because it "vas th e birth da y of tv1alcolnl X, the .A . frican Anlcrican s oc ia l propl-,.et y"rho woke me up to the' depths of America's s in of racism. Now it also marks the en d of the earthly centur/s most important prophetic voices: Jacques EJ1ul leaves behind him a legacy of social analysis and pro phetic theology matd1ed by very few in the 20th centurv. He is best known for his critical analysis of ,((adix 10 David Gil l with Jacques Ellul, 1984 the impact of technology on mod em life-not just by the introduc tion of various lnachincs but, more }-1rofoundly, by subtly changing ou r \'vay of thinking artd valuing. In ou r technical n1ilieu, ratiortalityt measurable effectiverH::ss j quantifi cation, an d srandardizatioll ar e re placing Cod, go od ne ss : tradition .. eccentricity, an d th e like, a t great hurnan a nd spiritual cost. This C121] analysis unfolded in nlore than 30 volun1cs r the best known of ,vhich is The Technological Society (original French edition; 1954; English translation 1964), which passed th e 100,000 mark in sales several years ago. Ellul was also an active lay theo logian in the Reformed Ch{lrch of France. He has w ri tt en some 30 books on Biblical topics, Christian ethics, and the reiatlonship of the church to the worid, including The Presence of the Kingdom, The A/lean- ing of the City, an d The Ethics of Free~ , r"11 l' " . _ 1_ 1 ' , aom. tllUJ s tneOloglCCtl an d ethical work was a Biblically oriented, Ki cr ke ga ar di (1 nl Barthian chal lenge to a Christendonl that he viewed as being too conformed to the world. His work stressed the ways that Go d broke through the fatality, violence, an d closure of sit uations described in the Bible (above ali, in the resurrection of Je- SllS Christl-along with, th e caE of Go d to a sinlilaily radical presence by Christians in toda}lI s vvorld. For Ellul, Christian d i s c i p l e s l - ! i F ~ is char acterized by f r £ ~ d o r r ! an d hope: faith al1d lo,re. Ell1.!l's legacy is impressive for its 5£-leer SIze! scope.. depth l Rl1d biC;adth. He engaged th e political Left an d Right, Marxists an d cavi talists, religions and nonreligio~ls, theological liberals an d conserva tives, with an impact l1l.at ch ed by few others. H is p os it ion s on the technological threat, political inutil ity, strategic anarchism, an d theo logical universa.lism caused some summarily to reject his work. O t h ~ ers, however, found his work on these an d other subjects a brilliant challenge to re-think some of their major assumptions an d conclu sions, even i in th e e n d they didn't agree precisely wi ttl ail of Ellul's proposals. ~ " .. ,. r Jacques t.llurs llte Vlas distin- gliishcd by it s conlbil1atiort of acti viSIn vo/ifn thought. I-Ie wa s fired fronl hi s first university post fo r protesting t h e f " ~ a z i occupation of \lich)! France.I-Ie vvorked in the Frencl-t R.csistance during wwn an d in ttl(:: Bordeaux nlayor's ad rninistra tion in1TI1edia tcly after the

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cussed professional problcnls! con

cretely, just as they are in life. The

theologians \A/QuId Sinl?ly describe

,vhat the Bible says, \vithout

snellina out what the' nrofcssional- r Co r

should do. That WilY they were

challen,ged to figure ou t wha t to

do, what sor t of solution to bring to

those Droblems. We had some very

d i f f ~ ; ~ n t experiences. It was easidr

for doctors' and nurses than forbusiness people. Tne groups that

never \VC;lt along very well were

those composed of bankers and in

surance agents. " . , 'T , ,

The other level on ;'Vll1Ch 1 \-vaUiO

respond has to do \·vi frl nl) ' experi

ence as a professor. V'vhcn 1 b<:ca1"ll.e

a professor, I d iscove red very

quickly that the nlcaning of n1Y

\\.7ork l ay not in the science of trans

n-litting inforn1ation bu t in DtY rela

tionstdp to nlY students. As in the

case with my Bible studies, my uni

versity students inspired me to un

der take research on var ious ques

tions. I did not do research for the

sake of research bu t because a

group of students was interested in

a particular question.

It is important for me that rny

students kno\v fhat 1 alTl a C h r i s ~t ian. 1 have very o ft en l ived the ex

perience described by Peter: JIBe

rCZldy al'1.-vays to give a rcason," 1believe that stuclcnts should 31

\\'ays fccl free to speak up and askQllc:stions. V\/hen r for eX211Ttple, I

taught classes on the thought of

Iv1arx and his successors, I didn't

try to teach that Marx was \vrong.

Marx said some admirable things

and I told my students that this

was so. It was amusing to !T\C, then,

that students \vould often ask me

"How can you teach this whcn you

are a Christian?" Thus, I would be

given an opportunity to respond. Ialso fclt that it was irnportant to be

available to ITt)' students. I had aclose !-;astorai relat ionship 1,-vItn.......... "..,.,1.1 r; t . nn""1 . 1 1 U l ~ ) ' VJ , ~ 1 1 \ , _ 1 J , ' .

Gill: Isn't this really jllst the peda

gogy of Jesus? Treating students as

hunlan beings?

Ellul: For me that was very impor

tant, especia!Jy in t imes of hardship

and crisis in the univers ity such as

Radix 12

the 1968 student revolts.

Gill: Jesus frequently taught by the

method of raising questions.

Ellul: Yes, an d this is often done in

seminaries. But when you have

1,000 students in. an auditorium at

the university it is ITlOre difficult.

Gil l: Let nle c o r r H ~ back again to t llenlatter of a radical distinctiol1 be

tVveen \\lork all.d calling. ISil't there

a sense in \ v l ~ l i c h ever}'thirlg ha s a

\vork aspect to i t ~ f o r example,even your \vork "vith the Preven

tion Club? i ~ ) . n d can't everythjng

become a kind of calling if you re

ceive it as such and treat it as a cal l

ing from God? If you can't see your

;:Jrtivi tv or \vork as som e so rt of

~ ~ i ! i n g , should you get out if it , if

possible?

Ellul: I think that such a distinction

can app iy in this sense. I think also

of a young educator who worked

with the delinquents of th e P r e v e n ~bon Club. He said t hat lrvl1cn he

"\-vorked fo r eigllt h ou rs d ur in g the

day he often did it ror t p ~ e pay. But

\vhen he con.tinned OD. after h.ours

because he loved them arld they

needed hilT,; thel1 he becarrte free

and his act ivit ies becan1e a cal ling.

It is not al\vays exactly like thisF bllt

many people en gag ed in difficult

vl/ork have this kind of exnerience.!

Gill: If I have a nuclear engineer

studv \vith me, I would emphasize- -to that student the importance of

being questioned by God an d that

if he cannot offer his nuclear engi

neering as service to the kingdom

of God he should consider chang

ing jobs. Or she should, if it's a

\VOlllan. Of course that raises mal1Y

problcnls, such as o ur COllsiderable

. .. '" .

,..('

abl l l t t to ratIonalIze aIlO justIry

oursel '/05.

Ellul: V\/hcthcr one 's work can be

to the glorf of God or not is an. im=

Dortant auestion.l l

Gill: A worker may have no r nm

munity to support' him or he r in

such "an exalT\ination and in a

change of profession-and that

might create great difficuities for a

famiiy dependent on this person's

salary. I agree with the point you

have often made tha t it is irrespon

sible to aclvise son-1.€orle to make a

cllange w·herl you persorlally are

n.o£ burderled vlith the conse-C ' l u e p , ( " p ~ - - . , f " ) ' " ~ , . . . C I t ' ' ' ' '" lHil1ina ~ n d l l n -

..... -.-..... .....-1. Ul ...... LoI.J . l l ' l ' J ; · J ; J ; . J ; J ; . .b . -

. - , - , - 'I '. 'I . ' l ' 1.' n Co Atc u ~ ) ! e to snare In t.ne Imp1!Cdtl0!hI V. L

the c h ~ n o - p---- - · · ~ · · b - ·

Ellul. C , , ~ ~ l . . !I n,-1 ~ " h ; " ",11 nr0SUD-.1. . "" , JU i t::Jy. ~ -l U l , . J . . l l J U.J..J; . r- r

poses that Oli.e is able to T-1Ut, in~ o m m o n with others, one's -life ex

periences before God,

Gill: Are you still convinced that a

Biblical view of work must begin

with the doctrine of the Fall rather

than with the creation?

EUui: It is a very classical idea that

work existed in the creation, but it

was work in a very different sensetrlere. Tllat is, fhe vvork in Genesis 1

arld 2 was rlonutiiitariarL i ~ . . l l tb.etrees gave their frl.lit spontane

ously, a:nd a!thougl-l Adau!. was

comrrlissioned to watch over the

garderl tllere w"ere rlot arLy enerrties

tJ:lere. Thus it ,"vas a good \,vork, a

job, but orLe that '\-vas no t in tl1e do

main of necessity. That is the great

difference for me.

Gi ll: But the toil, sweat, an d resis

tance that came with th e Fall did

not el iminate th e importance of the

fact that we are made in the image

of God - a G od w ho worked for s ix

days and then rested. God's work

was creative an d very good. Can't

we say then, as much as possible,

that our work ought to be creative,

for life , resulting in products that.... _ ...... '1' ......'1"'"'(1 " " " r ' \ n . ~ ' 7c11 t: v Y 6vV ...........

Ellul: Yes, but I don't thirlk you can

say tflat for God th.€ creatiorl was a. - 1_ ...... _ .................. 1". I"fl..... ..... r ........u ..·,.l,r"'..... ....l D \....JOU V i VV'-..H ........ . t i l l : ; : ' JU : ;C . l ' . . ' : ) anJ". "- UdUy-

lorliarlS alvlays considered creation

an effort. But t he Bible &.=1VS tllat it

"vas tIle 'Alord o f c reat ion ratTler

than a work. It was something

more simnle, I aQ'ree with Von th;lt.- 0 .l ............. - . ~ - .

God's ac t was creative an d that

what responds in us is Word an d

work. There is a work Command,

bu t Adam and Eve were then in

presence of God rather than havingA _

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T

1 vvould not have worked. so 111uch_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1 r . r T 1 , • 1 _

Illyseu II 1 naa not been convincedL 1__ L _ . __ ..1 . _1 _ . 1 • .

Llldl wurK Goes respond to a certain

will of God and not only to a necessity

of the world.

Ellul: T11at is true in France (15 \vcll.

Radix 13

Gill: In .o:ll.n1cricR, it sccn15 that rnost

we

EUul: V\le have thought about try

ing son.l.cthing like that in F r a n c ~ ,bu-t people are just too busy. It

takes time to counsel and to n::con

dl e situations. Before I became a• _ _ T l' _ _ _ 1, :

orotesso r j warKeG some (l:, (l l l <II LW

•trator iIi busirless affairs, and that

kind of I1"lcd ia tion still occurs in

general ~ 1 u s i n e s s _ . circles. But(Coritinuea on page 21))

lawyers, including Christians, arc

simo!v maniDuiat ine: the technicalJ .I J U

requireIllents of the legal code.

Gill: The good nevvs in America is

that the Chris tian Legai Society has

launched justice centers to explore

such questions, and they have be

gun a conciliation service to help

people rl2solve disputl2s outside the

court system.

...J . __ I ,.. ". t" •• •

U\::l:>rand me reality or wnat IS Jiilp-

p e n i r l g ~Just-last rnordh there '"tvas a tragic

exan1plc of tl1at. i l .. young rnan

struck his daughter who then flO!!

on the sidewalk and becamp rr in-_ , _ .J -. -. -. . , • , .•- - - - r:fJHXl and bl Ind as a reSUlt at a SDj-

r,ai injury. The prosecuting a t t ~ r -ney ',vas a Cliristian. r kno\v all

three of theni \r'/cll. The father had a

bit of a temper, but was a very

good fel low, s.<:nsitive, ane! devils

tated by this accident. But the press

portrayed hin-j as an unworthy

scandnlous father. The prosecutor

\,vas appalling and the defending

lawyer had no concrete defense.

The young man was sentenced to

17 years in prison and hanged him

self the Ilcxt day. r told t h c ~ l a \ v y ( ' r saftcrvvard, "'{ou did not truly judge

the person in this matter," The real

ity of the situa hon and the rcspon

sibiiity of the legai profession: both

are very important to stress.

Gill: As far as lawyers arc con

cerned, your approach implies

t ha t g roups of Christians in law

gather together for a rcalistic anal

ysis of their profession and practice, then engage in a thorough

study of Biblical notions of justice

and law. and finallv be\!in to Drav- - -- - - - , .J LJ 1-'

and discuss together what all of

this means for their la\v practices.

Ellul: Yes l I'nl. very nluch in

agreenlcnt on the need to invent

alternatives. That is one of the

most pOSItIve things we can do

now. I have never met Schu

macher but I am quite farniiiar

\-vith his \rvritings. A-good deal of

his effectiveness conlCS franl the

Ellul: Exactly. The first point is

vcry inlportant, expccially for

lawyers s ince they arc tempted by

idealism. It is well and good to

serve the law bu t they must urt-

fact that he is an economist writ

ing about his own field and expe

rience. It is iay Chris tians who

should be chal lenged to work

thiough these questions and conle

up \vith alternatives.

niques arc used in d i f f ~ r e n t jobs

and it is vertj difficult to judge accurately and fairly vv'hether the

work is to the \!lorv nf t,nrlU - . / -- - - · - ~ I

whether it is creat ive and liberat-

i ng o r not. It is very, very difficult.

Gill: I think a further requirenlcnt

today is to gather exantples of

ternatives" Often people don't

cham,e because thev lack rrPiihv-,) - - -- -----.

ity. \lve need to gather aitemative

ideas to stirnulate creativity on

hOV'l things nlight be done differ

ently. For exaniplc. E. F. Schu

macher's book, Small Is Bcautifl{l,

ha s some marvelous examples of

alternatives ways of running a

business.

fusirlg to Dl.akc a simple distirlction

betV"reCIl v/ark tl1at is good and

'work that is not good. I have a n e ~ v£OroUD fOrITlin£O in Paris . camDosedU 1 U '.1

of banke rs and stockbrokers. They

are Christians. Can I tell them that

Ellul: I would not h av e \vorked so

H\uch myself if I had not been con

vinced tha t '.vork does respond to a

certairL vvill of God a nd not only to

a neces si ty of t he \vorld! The difficulty comes, as you have rightly

said, in th a t it is necessary to appre

ciate a job in the measure to which

it is creative and liberating. I agree

\Vitrl the Refornlcd tradition il l re-

a Christian Sllould rlot be a stock

broker? It is veri difficult to do.

Ellul: Yes, I totolly agree. But the

problem ren la ins tha t var ious tech-

Gill: When Pete r visi ted Cornelius

he directed his attention to Jesus

Chris t and left him as a Roman cen

turioll. He cOlild do th a t \>vi tli. confi

denc e bec ause he brough. t hinl to

the Lord. It wasn't long, though,

before, most of th e Christian Cor

neiiuses in the Dre-Constant inian

church left their commissions, con

v inced tha t this kind of work w as

not in. accord \vitl1 the LOidship of

Jesus Christ. It seel11S that it is

enotlgh to 11elp Christians to bring

together the ir recogni tion of Jesus

as Savior with Jesus as Lord of th e

whole iife, and then be pa dent

about what happens as bankers

and s to ckbroke; s· b eg in to al10w

God to questiol1 al1d gtlide theni.

Gill: r think y ou are right to warn

about the ido-Ezation ar;d sacraliza

tiorl of vlork. Certain.ly it is a l l lX

1..1r"j available only to trle fev"! to be

able to choose their work freely . .A.t

th e same time, though, shouldn't

we encourage people to bring their

work as much as possible into

closer conformity vvitfl their calling

frOTIl God? SOI11etimes )lOUr writ-=

ings l1Clve seel11ed to d isni iss the

possibili ty of service to God.

nH::rely a work or vocation. The

idea of Y\l"ork d l l d vocation is al

\vays conJusil1g, but I bel ieve that

''.loca tiort or calling is alvlays, and

only, service to God.

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of these an d o th er factors vvill di

rectly artd profoundly irlfluence

v,"hat t ! ~ l e astronomer finds. Butl . H h ~ t 1S no t UD for £Tabs is vihether\ ' . 1 - , . . . . . . . . . . _. - - i. u

there are stars, or whetl'ler nlany of

lanar u

are rna

church

y

rtear TI10

two

to

h.a'\le

tll€Se

but fhere

the Catl10iic

is totally co

Bu t t11e ottler (the CFO

I would

Fran.ce. The'lions,. One ofform.ist.

Gill: Iv1y impress io rt i s t ha t therna)! be ITlany more ~ l o r k i n g - c l aCl-lnstiarls ir . the Urlited States th

in; E l i r ~ p ~ ~ fo r example, in the Pe

tecostal cnufches.

Gill: '/'-le have not ye t discussed th

blue=coliar labori!l}!; classes. Carl Vhn,. . . . .o .'t • 1 - , ~ . . , 'l!

.llV rnar rrleolog1cally ana ernCall)T better-trairled professiona

might go back to their cp.urch

alld teach a Christian \Tievv of wo

and discipieship to the workewho wors:b..ip , , ~ . r i t h thern.?

Ellui: Yes ... I ipjrtk friat is ver., rirrh. J V

Fo r 1.vorkers, Christianitv has aJ

peared at otfler t iu..€s to be eithermeans to get them to accept theconditiolt or a means of criticizinsociety_ I believe tllat trte latter

very important and that SOUle ne

assc.ciatiorlS of " v o r ~ ~ e r s rrdght

created, sirlce f\ ..n1erican labor u

ions are no t at all in the business

trarLsfonning sociery. I think it

importan.t tel ~ h a v e Ctlristian assoatior.s il-lat ponder and, reflect

changes il l socier!.

Ellul: 1v1ost of tile associationlasted SIX years, fraITl 1947 to 195

Problem_s vvcre subrr.itted by 11

partipants. \Ale iriec! to ge t thern

TPtlect on pract ical problems. Ther

were COllgresses., study course

and COIlsultatiorls_ A businessma

fo r example., n-ligllt subnlit a bus

ness "venture for study and diSCU

sion b)T tIle g r o u p ~ 1VJO group

doctors arId t e a c t H : ~ r s ... continue oto th.e present day, bu t the ot.he

e ~ n . d e d _

( ~ i l l ~about ~ y o u r experiences vviHl th

Associatiolls of Protestant I-lrofe

sionals. HOV-l lono- did t l1PV las........., . l ' 9 --.J

VV ll.at exactly did t h e ~ y ' do?

R llu1 continuedrlave T ' ~ n t p s t . ~ h h . · s h . { ~ d - ~ t . " 1-'-.. .. - ~ ~ - ~ - d speCiliCctu

Cllristian orgardzatiol1 for it eithefo r b-usirH:=ss or law.

That ITlake5 all th ehere."

ence. WI

~ ; ' , . 1._ .• " . 1

LIon IS rrlcreiY In tne eye or rne oe-holder. ' ~ T h a t th e Cruistiarl wa:nts, t". 1 • .......... . --" 1.. . . . . .

c?ntess 15 navlrlg _ ~ ~ n al1U ! le t \ ! -

lng heard far m o r e ~ l'..Jalve realism;

'1"vith its assurnption that stars or• " " - . n - " \ 1 .._ a s " l ' , " , P ~ V '

cOnStellatlOnS are Sl.1.1.IPlY ..... J

appear! clearl)l proves ifi.adeqtJ,ate.

f.iliVp c"PI:) 11__: _ M ~ ......

l- r &a l ~ ~ ~

rlarL.iv!!r , ..... v- ........... l!UUUF;!l.c;a. b ..._ ........ ---- %'..J .J .

But \ve carl see, a-rId \vhat we see i s

not s i r n ~ l y ~ u ~ s e l v c ~ , i ~ ~ , ~ : l ~ , , ~ ~ i c re -lief. It IS C,od's call LAICl\: : and

l'vj-ark lflbberton }-rUlS a Ph.D. in L1::eol-

og:I.J from C:.ambridqe. He is the senior-. u

pastor of l ~ i r s t Presbvterian Church of!

Berkele1/.J

quite another thing, however, to

assert tha t any claims of revelatiorl

can by definition be IlotJ:1irlg otllcrtflaIl. interpretation. Yet this is th e

poslrrtoderrJ,st clin-late in v,/bJch

C"hristians stand drld protess to

hear trle call of G o d ~T-o make artY SUCil claim ougllt

to be con.e with hurrdlitYf ackr!owl

edging the inl lerentt perrfteating

subjectivity i I l v o l v e d ~ It wili ai=,"\Tays be a conJession of f a i t h ~But in the erld, for Crtristian the

ology; it ITLatters enormously

¥/hether fhe "call of Godais truly

flof c:;od ll or lvnether tt,e cOllstella-

ClIng IV false expectations of ohipc-" ........ _ 'f "Jl_: & ... ...,.0. f1 _ , - r : - ~ -tlve realIty. V. Hell v\ , , " , , J..I.nd is really

iust a statement of h o , : ~ ~ Vv€ see. The, .,onstellation. e ~ ~ ~ t s . only In star-

gazers' D1inds. 'tlV nat We may term1.- .. , t r ' ;n f..,-.' . J ,tile call or \JOU J , ; ; J , .I. ..... LU __ ! ... s Imply an

• ,., • . . : ~ L___ ,.1.....expreSSIon at \vnar !UUrl.Q 111 be -

lievers' hearts.

It is one thing to questiol-\ claims

of divine revelat ions. Dn:-- tilis1.- . '_-

e. p. 1'-12-;'! l ~ ! ! l ~ ~ b : l - - ' !

uestionin£' can "--- '"---__

_ fo r• v •

IT'.any reasons, no t least if you're

going to stake your llte Ull it. 1t is."P.,.ll

.,tne con-hern can be seen. It is in

rnents? Even in ;vhat culture?

stellations lve see trtat \ve rr!ake

connections and .. ~ s c e r : l p a t t e r ~ sV.dttl IT'teaning arld ImplIcatIons. 15

the difference bet"'veerl astronOITlyand astrology t.l-le difference be

tv./cen an interest in stars and art in

terest in constellations? If so! is the

ology paral lel \vifn ast ro iogy and,

therefore, \vith the suspect.! the friv

oious" the unsubstantiated?

Certainly the act of seeing L U l l ~stellations is a process of i n t e r p r e t a ~tion. So is hearing God

i

s call. The

discernrrlent of patterns 1S al"vvays

Interpreti've. realit}T, patterned

or otherv.;ise, is ever discerned in

an upjnterpre ted \vay! v,ritrl absolute neutrality and clarity. But ou r

everyday experience of apparently

discrete realities! like tables; telt::

phone poles, and stars, leads us to

belie've that they are iithere!! ITl

v'lays tha t are dif ferent fron1 reali

ties like friendsflip; joy, or love. Inseeing patterns; discerning relation

ships; ITiaking connections, 'tve ac

tively Interpret. Does adrni tung

~ h i s mean surrendering any sure re-

lationship to reality that is ulore..

'h.... ,.....T'Y"I. ' •.. ' - I ~ _ " " )

lliCUl .lUere Interpreranolu':)ome postmoderlt voices ar2""'Lle

th':lot 'Uh _. - -- __ . J " d ~ l - h ' uloU . '" Ji 'uaI vie ellU u}-J y\rllli in all) '

ac t of interpretatiolL is aU \·'v'e ~ l a d to"1 • • 1...- .

oeglfl 'VVilU: interpretation. T : ~ a t is,

t h e r ~ are stars in the sky, black

IT'!arks on a page,. bu t the Vi3V thev. .~ ~ e n , . constellations discerned,

slgrlltlcancc or ITleaning found, is aresult onlv of ()nr r n ~ u ( : : . n H r - , n - - ' ' ' ' ' (

./ . -. '- . L . ~ ' - ... ........... Ot

interpretation, l,'v"b.ich tenaciously

G o d ~ s Call continued• --" I ....... l r . cc it h . - _ ~ _ u r l

knOV./Tl It \vas UrIan 5 lUl . I . l . :. J-. .J -- - ....

- • l. , 1 l I . 1 ......... \.vnuld theb e e r ~ pOlrUeu our. l'l._.L'.l .,C: .... 'Arl

ohrase ' l i ' " ~ o r t l l Star/' a sure , J tAL.V

~ r v i n t ha'C10 ~ o u n d e d like heiufulyv ........., - ¥\"... "- ' . . / ,

news. HOVI does such seeing nClp

us to hear God's call?The I11.ost amateur astronOlTV-'::f

knovls t'hat the constellations anyr"'T'"l1 ' :l cr-:iP" depends OIL v·ihere oneUJ.lI........ ' - " ~ . . . . . ... -

st ands- In v,lhat :herrtisphere? In

vlhat seasort( In what vJeather? At

\vhat time? llJi tt l vvb.at instru-

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Kierkegaard

-Joanne Lowery

Father; I have sinned

and therefore am entitled to be happy.

My name on books

my name on children

or her SVleet face across the table

will not drive me from this pulpit

where only You can hear me speak

and see my smaU heart smile.I live as if faith heals me.

Who among Us shall have the luck to wed?

He stayed a bov,J

He chased Words.

His flesll becarne despair.

Less than famous, scarcely known,the Dane baniShPrl his aueen.

took on the g ; i ; ~ ~ ~ / f ~ t h < e r s , .and prorrdsed ~ ~ p l a i r lour Christian. bliss.

This poem received ,l.1,,[)norable mention in the Radix poetr1} contest.

-David VV. Gill is professor of applied eth-

ics, }-Jorth Park College, C h i c . . ~ g o . He is tl"tE

!wtlwr ofTh e W ord of God in the Ethics

or Jacques Ellul (Scarecrow Press, 1984)

and of 1nany articles and revie'JJs of Ellul's

work. Those interested in remaining postedon work by and about Jacques Ellul and the

issues r£. addressed may con.tact The Ellul

Forum; Department of Religious Studies,

LIniversitv of South Florida, Tampa, FL

33620. Tr£" interview was edited )trorn acorlVersation that took place in 1982 and

was translated by Lucia L. Gill.

Confederation Francaise Democra- rr-------------- - - - - - - - - - - - ----,

tique de Travail) is anxious to con

front the real problems of our soci

ety. 'V\Thile trley ~ n a v e dropped the

Ilarrte Crlristian from fheir title, all

the directors and the majority of

members a re Christian and they

are concerned about the real prob

lerns.

Irt France, tIle problerrl is fhat trle

\vorkers are alienated, tl101.lg'h rLot

in the usual sense and not because

of lack of money. It is because they

realize more and more that their

life ha s no rneaning. The well-paid

\vorkers I know are asking" "vA/rlat

is trte ni.eaning of life?" e

l'ylusic contiJ'lUed

ognizing life' 5 frail ties arl.d celebrat

in g it s joys! and testifying to the

nower of God's forgiveness.- - - - LJ

He is no preacher in these songs,

but a powe;ful witness whose painful e>Zperierlces fami. the backdrop

to hi s -spiritual ren.e\·val. In "Like a

Soldier," his testimon.y to conlnlun

ion with the gracefui, ioving God,

Cash siIws. "Like a soldier getting- - - -- - - u' - -

over the war / Like a young man

getting over h is c razy days / Like a

bandit gettirlg over his l a v \ ' l ~ s s\flays / Every day is better than lie

fore."- - .. __ _ LL .

Cash recorded songs over \ l I t :

.. • .,_ ___ ........ ....3 .J.I""\.

course a t a Slx-nlonU1 \-Jl::llU\..l LV

prepare ror the 111aking of AmericanRecordings. After experinlen.ting

vvith vvorkirlg on san1e ?f ~ 1 1 e t.Ul\C,S

with a band, Cash decided to traCK• 1 _ _ __

th p q)nas solo. acconlDamea UIuy. . . . . . . . . . "" ' - ·0- '----, J -

bv his sinmie acoustic guitar strum--J -- - - 1 .......

ming and fingerpicking. TVIO

songs, including the- delightful t r ~ ~ditional tune, "Tenl lessee Stlld r

\verc recorded Iive in fran t of aniaht , . , lnh "l1rlipl1rP. and the o ther" ' b ' H ~ ' - - ~ " .. - . _ - - - - ~ , . .

11 in t1w ouiet and austere settiiLgS- -- - - -- - - -]

of his own backwoods cabin and in

his producer Rick Rubin 's living

raOUl.

Several of the hlnes take the

form of prayer. Kris Kristofferson;s"Why Me; Lord" is a hang-your-• ..... " , . ' - " _ . . . 1 ' J _ L ~ ~heaCHn-sname call ror LJULl J\.lI-

• _ _ __ ..3 Ll • .- u r " " " " , ~ " " " , r . ' J ' / C "gl v e n e s ~ , a l lU l l i t : ,,-v ¥Y U U J "

Prayer"" intra to the traditional tU:1.e

uOh Bury }.,1e I'Jot fJ is an 0I-len-skynl ;:line: rinpr 'e: tnllrhinQ' death-bedJ : ' " " ~ - - ' -- • ---- - - - ----- u

talk to God.

b u t not all IS so tidily God

cel-lterE.'Ci. In Leonard Cohen's JJBird

ori a \-\lire /I Cash sinbrTs about the, - ,difficulties in finding true freeaon1,

rl h . -b ODelia'san_ t..e opemng num er,- . - . -.. . ,. _ _ .... lc..r"''''

Son,,-." IS the s tory or a 1 ULl l " " ; " "- U· J '1killer who, similar to the g'.lLt-

ridden protagonist in Edgar. '7:11e.nPoe's lIThe - Telltale Heart," IS

...1"'0-""' ' ' ' " ,ifh c:1r>pn1,.,c;c; niQ'hts in jailY l . ~ b " ' ' ' ' \ - ' ' \ , . . . i f ......... : l .1 o.J . . . . . . . . . . .r:·· ... ..... - - -O I /L1 . . . ' "" . . .. L

hpr" ' l l : "" hI" kppn.c: hf'anne - ULI:: J-'Cll-....-- - ................ - .. ,-. ~ ' - - r - ---- L. I

tpr of Delia's feet."-- O l ~ e - the best songs on a!-

. _ " r ._ : _ _ " ~ , , - >1--,0 talKln9"D1.1111 IS u r I Vt: VlL, \p.. . . . 1 _ , a

111t1(::5 about a Vietnanl. vet "\vno la-L - ~ . IJ . r-

niCTlts that it took his C ~ ~ l ~ ~ ~ ~ ,years to welcome me I),J'--'"

spijed by a novel he read about

that \-var, Cash fully develops his

character; singing out his pain and

confusion as if he himself had Hved

through the experience.In the handwritten liner notes of

llnteri.can Recordings, Cash describes

his early experiences of being enrantured bv music. One anecdote-- r - - .I

telis of walking horne late at nightafter singing v'lith a childhood

friend. He notes ho'.\' scary the",,,11.:- \Al"S fn r him. "The Danthers........ ~ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - - - - - - - - J

c;mmded closer and I iust knew that~ ~ ~ T l ; ~ i a r k spot on dOle road .vas a

c o t t ~ n lrlouth snake ready to bite

me. But I 5..'\ng all the way home,""",o-e: Tpc:c:p ;:mrl I had been singing,··-J\, , · ·b

.....

).....

:--.... ~ _ - ~ - - - , - - -.-.

.

J

::t;mn with the Inlagmary SUll l lU VI

~ h ~ - G i b ~ o n a c o u s t i ~ [guitar], I sangthrough the dark and decided t ~ a tthat kind of music \vas going to be

~ " ",,,0-;'" tn t.:1 kp me through allil J J l l ~ l b l ' " . . ••---- - .....,

the dark places."-. ..... . . . . . w .............. thlCThe darK places are 1I1ctllY v u ' ' ' ' ' '

aU.;um, b u t \ ~ i i t h Cash nanling t h ~ m _and singing us through them, the

1 : ~ 1 , . " i T"p,-h'mntion breaks forth-l iO.l . l l . \,.1.1. .l . . .. .. .. - ~ ~ · r

gently and boidiy. ii i

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