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LAND SEA CORRELATIONS: PITFALLS AND REMEDIES ASHOK KUMAR SINGHVI Physical Research Laboratory Ahmedabad, India

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Page 1: LAND SEA CORRELATIONS: PITFALLS AND REMEDIES · Issues . 1. Are LAND – SEA and LAND-LAND correlations Correct 2. Are the inferred periodicities in terrestrial records correct 3

LAND SEA CORRELATIONS: PITFALLS AND REMEDIES

ASHOK KUMAR SINGHVI Physical Research Laboratory

Ahmedabad, India

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Issues 1. Are LAND – SEA and LAND-LAND correlations Correct

2. Are the inferred periodicities in terrestrial records correct

3. Are proxies interpreted along with their response times/thresholds

4. Are tele-connections correct, sensu stricto

5. Do we understand land records their climatic implications

Do we really have

Secured Chronologies and Proxy interpretations for model validations ?

Stating the Obvious & Overstating it to Ensure Caution

LAND SEA CORRELATIONS: PITFALL AND REMEDIES

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Geological Correlation using tuning are like Seven-league boots approach of Near Instant travel (Response) over long distances.

But this does not happen in nature. Using these one is lead to a trap of a

“Coherent Myth” or “Reinforcment syndrome” Oldfield2001,Blaauw, 2012

Would the paleoclimate science not be boring, should this be so

Kilimanjaro : a case

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Earth Science Reviews 2001

Quaternary Science Reviews 2012

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Precise Age Precise Variable

Age with Error Variable with error Threshold + lags + Variable response time

Precise Age Variable with Error

Serious ISSUES on both CHRONOLOGY AND PROXIES

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Chronologies on terrestrial sequences are based on:

Radiocarbon Range ~40ka, precision ⇑, calibration, organics, diagenesis, contamination, reservoir ages variable with in a lake, sample-strata correlation, Uranium Series Range 300ka, no calibration, precision ⇑, pure carbonate phases, detrital contamination reduces precision and accuracy

Cosmogenic Isotopes Range ~ Few ka-Ma, needs inputs on irradiation geometry and constancy of the same, not good for accreting soft sediments

Luminescence Dating Range Present –few hundred ka –Ma, sample –strata correlation clean, precision ~ 5%

Paleomagnetism Relative dating

Records tuned with MIS or GRIP or orbital – Double tuning for terrestrial records

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Mischke et al, 2013 (in press)

Intra Lake Variability In radiocarbon Reservoir ages And Its variability with time

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Proxies Grain size

Carbonates Magnetic Susceptibility

Stable isotopes diatoms

Foraminifera Geochemical changes Pollen Phytoliths Alkenones ………

In tuning the proxy records, It is implicitly assumed that all respond to a Global forcing instantaneously and remain in phase, and that their response has been time invariant, without any thresholds. In contrast,

NULL HYPOTHESIS : PROXIES ARE NOT CORRELATED Why should Solar Forcing be seen in records;

Each record should have a independently distilled response

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Sucking In

Smearing out

Tie Point ↔ 5-10ka

Time Lines

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Loess-Paleosol sequences

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Kukla, 1986

Xifeng, China Magnetic Susceptibility

tuned to oceanic record

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Maher and Thomson, 1992

“…extremely high correlation with the standard 18O record” S

PE

CM

AP

TIM

E S

CA

LE X

1000

yea

rs

18δO Log Susceptibility Luochuan

S1

S2

Loess –Paleosol sequences Considered to be the terrestrial analogs of marine records

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Vandenberghe et al., 1997 U ratio – 44-16µm/16-5µm

Grain Size records also seen to be covariant

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Porter and An. Science

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Deduction of Milankovitch periodicities based on Ages assignments using inferred ages for the loess/paleosol layers

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Some of the Obvious Difficulties B/M boundary : In Marine Records is in Stage 19 (warmer), but in loess layer L8 (cooler) - missing time!

Freezing time of magnetization in loess – few ka ? what is being correlated

In Alaska, Magnetic susceptibility is out of phase with China (high in loess and low in paleosols) Grain-size vs. Soil phase lagged Singhvi et al., Earth Sci. Revs,2001

Zhao and Schakelton, EPSL,1999

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Grain Size

Carbonate content 0.8m 5-10 ka Vandenberghe, 2012

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EPISODIC ACCUMULATION & LONG HIATUSES

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EPISODIC ACCUMULATION & LONG HIATUSES

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Stevens – INQUA 2011 How does one compare these with Ocean and Ice cores with constant accumulation rates ?

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S0 Loess-Soil

S1 Soil-Loess

Drier- Wetter

So

S1 In Xian Soil till 75ka

Soil

Soil

Soil

Singhvi et al. Earth Sci Revs

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Ashok Singhvi DESERTS

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Limits of Active dunes at LGM, Holocene and Present

Sarnthein ,1982 Synchronous expansion and contraction

ALBEDO CHANGES IN THE PASTPAST

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330mm/a 200mm/a

Singhvi etal QSR; Dhir et al JASc

Aeolian system Response Phase Lagged and Episodic

We see a preservation record And not An aggradation/dynamism record

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Age of linear dunes

Majority of data is by PRL and this data shows that different deserts responded differently.

Aeolian aggradation in Deserts was not synchronous -peaking at LGM

LGM India

Modified after Lancaster, 2004

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Limits of Active dunes at LGM, Holocene and Present

Sarnthein ,1982

Synchronous expansion and contraction

Not tenable – needs a change

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0 200

Km

SutlejRavi

Indu

s R

SULAIMAN RANGE

ALLUVIAL FANS OF HIMALAYAN RIVERS

Sabarmat R

.

Ganga R

Jamuna R

DELHI

KUTCH

SAURASHTRA

AHMEDABAD

30O

90O

30O

76O70O

KARACHI

10ka

5ka

4ka

3ka

1ka

Dune Sand (Thar)Southern Desert MarginMarshy area (Rann)

SEMI-ARIDARID

ARABIAN SEA Progressive SHIFTING OF Active Dune limits From 10 to 1ka.

Shrinking Desert

800a 400a

Active/Fossil Dune Limit

Juyal et al. 2006

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ka B.P.

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LEGEND

West (<200 mm) East (330 mm)

Thar Desert

12

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North-west (250 mm)

Ephemeral (present condition)

Lake high

Fluctuating with extremes

Fluctuating without extremes

Hypersaline

(Kanod and Bap-Malar) (Lunkaransar) (Didwana)

10

15.5

East (500 mm)

(Sambhar)

4.5

7-8

Fluvially reworked

aeolian sediments

10

15.5

Fluvially reworked

aeolian sediments

3.5

Spatial Heterogeneity of records- MONSOON VARIED DURING THE HOLOCENE

• >9ka -7ka • 7ka - 4.8ka

• < 4.5 ka

400km

THAR DESERT

(Roy et al,2009)

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From RC-2735 box cores

Composite

Temperature variationG. Bulloides

From RC-2730 box cores

Anderson et al., 2002

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(1) Yadav and Ramesh, 2001(2) Anderson et al, 2003

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r BP)

Monsoon Winds And G Bulloides ; Vs. Spatial Heterogeneity of Rainfall

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Kocurek, 1999

Creation of a terrestrial sedimentary record in non-trivial

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My submission (possibly obvious to many)

• Creation of Sedimentary record on land needs a Window of Opportunity based on Sediment Supply, Transport and Preservation

• Sediment supply in terrestrial domain is invariably, variable • Preservation in transitional climates. Only the Preserved Record seen. • Spatial variability: Local vs. regional factors; Chronology • In correlations, response time of proxy is necessary; mostly ignored • Causal mechanism for correlation between land – ice and land – sea

is needed ? Why should changes in marine forams or grain size in loess be synchronous ?

• Secured chronology should only basis- role of systematic errors (reservoir ages), base lines.

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Need to Revisit All records where correlations and periodicities

are established WITHOUT due recognition of CAUSAL mechanism and DETAILED chronology

THIS IS

AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH

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Systems Dynamics Approach Stocks and Flows with feedbacks and delays

Xiaojing Zheng, 2011, Wasson ,2012

Needs to relook at Proxy Response- thresholds and time scales Improve Chronologies – methods and what is being dated For realistic Future EARTH scenarios

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First, Get your facts straight, and then,

You can twist them as much as you want.. Mark Twain

Nature is complex and will keep its secrets

THANKS, I rest my case here.

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Realizing these limitations of reason and scientific method…

it is better to understand a part of truth and apply it in our lives,

than to understand nothing at all and flounder helplessly…

“There is no visible limit to the advance of science…”