Mars is like the other planets, not like earth but wandering stars. Space is not real as NASA wants you to think. There is only the earth, sun, and moon. The sun is not a star. Scientists do not know what stars are. ISS, the moon landing, satellites, planetary and asteroid and comet probes, the Hubble space telescope are all lies. Notice that every picture from space is CGI. Find it odd that they beam back "photos" from Pluto which are obviously computer generated? Find it odd that astronauts repeatedly say they want to inspire kids. NOT to go into space, but to follow their dreams. Space is a massive delusional dream fed to people to make them continue to worship (focus attention) on the gods (fallen angels, wanderong stars) in the sky (venus, mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, mercury). From the age of 9 when I read the world book encyclopedias, I became fascinated by space, rockets, space exploration. Studied space, solar system and the universe daily for the next 13 years, only to find out it was all lies and I'd never be able to follow my dream (be an space explorer). I know all the information about what is "supposedly" out there. Aside from my personal studies also followed latest news of all new space technology (such as blue origin, NASA, ESA, space x, virgin galactic, etc) and took astronomy classes in college. They taught us the physics of how everything allegedly works in space. But never once any observations through a telescope. Everything told to you about space is calculated with numbers math. Based on theories. I tried observing stars and "planets" many times through binoculars and cannot see much. The moon is obvious through binoculars but it is impossible to determine its correct distance. The craters on the moon are suspicious. Asyronaughts claim they are in space but blatantly say you cannot go there. If they ever go to a "trip" to mars, it will all be simulated to where "astronauts" think they are on mars but are actually in an elaborate simulation. Video of the simulation (like ISs simulation, and moon landing simulation) will be broadcast for the world to see. With the levels of CGI there is today anything is possible. They are waiting for virtual reality to be so good that they can convince the selected space travelers they went to mars. Everyomr on ISs, or any other space travel up until now knows its fake. When virtual reality simulation is good enough the selected people will not know its fake. Almost everyone building the "space ships" and working on the ground level believe it is all real. This is why people say, "if we had thousands of people putting in many many hours of work to this project building it we know the rocket is real". It is easy to fool these people because they see about as much as the media shows the world. The " control instruments" for ground control are simulators. The question is, why would they create such an elaborate lie? What is really up in the sky? If they ever send civilians to mars in mass transit, you can bet it will be to their death and demise. Have you ever sat in the middle of a field in the middle of no where and looked straight up at the milky way? Are you saying that the countless stars you can see with your naked eye (Yes I know some are clusters! Im just sayin!) are fake? Two ways it could be done: 1. Dome: The only way to project this "fake" star light for all to see would be a Dome, which would...lets face it... be impossible. Size, cost and man power to make it, nope. Everyone would know it was fake. 2. Mass hallucination: Nope, would need to drug people all over the world at different times from time in memorial Stars are just that, they are stars. Between a few hundred and a few billion (thats BILLION) light years away. Giant balls of gas dancing their cosmic dance before they die. I have viewed Mars through a powerful telescope and saw the Majesty of the red (green sometimes) planet. You will never go to space, that is a sad fact. I will never go. It costs too much to send 3 people up so why would they just pick any tom dick and harry. Now, I have a question for you OP. I myself have been lucky to witness 3 shuttle launches. I have seen the rockets dislodge and fall to the earth as the shuttle itself fly into the great dark. If its all fake then where the hell does it go? Its not like a plane as it ... and wait for it ... as it will blow your mind ... goes straight up (ok yes, at a very slight angle). So... Is someone turning out the light at night with some kind of switch? When there is an eclipse, are they then switching the light off and on like some kind of sick peek a boo game? There are just so many questions that would need to be answered vastly differently if what you are saying is true. And since you seem to think it is, can you answer the above questions? I'm all for a good conspiracy, but I like for it to be sort of a little feasible before I start placing any kind of stock into it. a reply to: thekaboose im not saying the stars are fake. but they are not as far away as the astronomers calculate them with their math. the two ways of calculating stars distance is parallax, and light wave frequency. both with the use of complicated math that does not correlate to the stars, because no one has seen one close up. the sun is not a star. the sun is the sun the stars are stars. proven they are the same thing the sun is by using math does not prove they are the same thing. search google: "telescope images of sun" here is an supposedly but believable photograph of the sun found on google images: ( i dont know how to embed but heres link) www.nies.ch... notice how it looks. now heres a fake CGI image of the sun supposedly from the sun probe SOHO: sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov... now search google: "real telescope images of stars" lets find a believable image: Proxima centauri, the supposedly "closest" star to earth. "supposedly" taken with hubble space telescope: i.space.com... uri-hubble-1920.jpg?1389726403 if the above is truly the best available true image of the supposedly closest star to us. this is all we see? it doesn't look anything like the sun. many will use the excuse: "its because even the closest star away is the too far away and difficult or impossible to take pictures of to look like the sun. but no. the stars are much much closer to earth. and also, they are not the same thing as the sun. so now we look from the same search: "real telescope images of stars" something like this: i.space.com... fake then on a NASA website: "image from telescope of pilades. the x shapes coming out the the stars on this website says are made by the telescope itself.apod.nasa.gov... if the telescope makes a feature in the star, then their object of sorcory is creatig a fake picture. digital telescopes almost create the entire picture from a tiny spot of light! the world is often not as you see it also, if you cannot see it, and other people who cannot see it tell you what it is like merely from numbers they smash together, how can you believe them? you will believe NASA just because they are good at CGI and math? I do not know how to do CGI, and i am not very good at math. therefore I can find truth about the nature of the universe that anybody in NASA can never imagine. they have crippled themselves and blinded themselves with their lies. they believe they can do math so well, they know something. but in reality they are believing lies, so their math is being corrected by their imaginations and they use their imagination to create the CGI. how can you think my claims are any less believable than NASA? I don't know math, but I probably have read and studied more about all the possible things that humans believe are in space than most employees at NASA. most of them are just good at math. so they do the math, apply their imagination to it, and dont ask many more questions. then you have the actors. who do not know any math. they are the comedians like most who are replying to the thread. tools of the deceivers. they will not address any actual science, or ask any questions but delude themselves and the world that they are funny and entertaining. ? originally posted by: jheated5 I've never been able to figure this out either... Is the moon really made out of cheese? I mean, I'll never get to taste it, how am I supposed to know? I think only the powerful elites get to eat moon cheese! I'm depressed knowing I'll never be able to afford to eat it.... too cliche, this is condescending as many humans are to their children. which is not a humorous practice. ? originally posted by: IsntLifeFunny Slow clap? you decide whats humor (only a thing to laugh at) and whats a valid idea (a possibility about our shared reality)? ? originally posted by: IsntLifeFunny Well duh! Obviously the earth is flat! ironic huh? no proof of globe. no proof of flat earth. no proof of anything. you can only see 1/3 of the actual joke. the astronaut who says chidren should be inspired by him to accomplish their dreams is like the above people. they can inspire nobody because they point at something stupid and pretend it is interesting or beneficial to the human race. but it is not. making fun of people is not beneficial for anybody. To answer your questions, the sun, moon, and wandering stars are true objects in the sky. but they are nothing like the mathmatitions and cgi artists tell you. eclipes (solar and lunar) do happen. its not a game. its part of a system. its a clock for nature to know when to do their functions.I have a relatively cheap teliscope, costing less than $500(us). When I use it I can see Mars pretty well, I can see the rings of Saturn, and I can see Jupiter and even a couple moons next to it. In your opinion, what am I seeing? And what about every other amateur astronomer on this planet, what are we all seeing? And secondly are you offering any evidence of our current ideas being false? You admit your not very good at cgi or math, and then state that that somehow qualifies you to know the truth about nature. Does that line of logic really make sence to you? You ramble on about how our paradigm has no proof, while your incoherent ramblings have no basis, no supporting facts, and not even a sign of internal logical consistency, let alone proof. So please, answer my questions and tell me what qualifies you to make these claims. yes i have sat in middle of field and watched the sky, the milky way, etc. the increasing number of "satellites" is strange isn't it. in the past years i notice more and more and more. they say they are for technology but thats a lie too. i used to install satellite tv for a year and a half. i know about satellite frequencies. but what they are telling people about it is fake. all these signals are not coming from the sky. humans cannot put anything into orbit. the frequencies we were picking up with the satellite dishes were originating from the surface of the earth, not being re-broadcast from something in the sky. at these distances measuring frequency distance is possible. stars are different you cannot measure their true distance. all of the sattelites were made up in order to convince us that they were manmade, but they are wandering stars, which are increasing as the years go on. originially there were 7, now there are hundreds. ? Now, I have a question for you OP. I myself have been lucky to witness 3 shuttle launches. I have seen the rockets dislodge and fall to the earth as the shuttle itself fly into the great dark. If its all fake then where the hell does it go? Its not like a plane as it ... and wait for it ... as it will blow your mind ... goes straight up (ok yes, at a very slight angle). it goes out of sight into the distance, at a HUGE angle, then falls into the sea. they had several shuttles to fake a "re-entry landing" i watched the final shuttle launch live, and when i saw the angle it was going into the sky i was not impressed. i was impressed by the shuttle itself, that was back when i still believed in it all. you can see mars, the rings of saturn, jupiter, and several moons. can you see to the surface of any of these stars? no. just because they have shown you "true images" of the surface of mars, you imagine it when you look at it in the telescope. this is the sorcory. for them to be like earth they must have a surface. and as these are wandering stars they are masters of deception. they can appear as they wish to appear. the ancients believed they were gods. the modern humans believe they are like the earth in function. but they are not. neither are they like the sun. edit--- it is the wandering stars themselves ("the planets") that are deceiving the nasa deceivers. these days humans must be deceived to worship something. in ancient times they straight up worshipped them for what they wereThe Sun is a star (and a newspaper), you speak of how they are closer etc but you have not given your math to prove it. All I see is someone trying to peddle false information on the forum once again. You complain about CGI but as someone pointed out... there were times before Photoshop and we have pictures of space from them (First one I know of was 1946 from a cam strapped to a V-2). I am sorry, but honestly I believe that your views are based upon the fact that you were disappointed with the fact you would never go into space (which is in theory a null and void activity as you are flying around in space at this moment in time) so you devoted your study of space to misinformation and personal vendetta. your statement of my not having the math to prove it proves my point. saying that one cannot know anything about nature without knowing the math, is like saying one cannot know anything about the ocean without reading a book about it. the ocean can be known by sitting and watching it, by swimming in it. i know a lot about nature, i often observe nature close up. i am constantly observing the natural things. you can see what something is when you get to know it. like a friend. you do not get to know the friend by calculating with math their possible movements. you get to know them by being around them and observing them. NASA scientists and people who are good at math do not observe nature or space close up but always through the perspective of numbers and technological devices that distort their perceptions of nature itself. for many years i observed space with my own eyes and understood what stars really are. the human knoledge i learned about space and stars was all made up by humans and their devices.