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    Netherlands Mission Experiences

    On Infantry Ammunition

    Afghanistan

    Army Airforce

    Marines

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    Afghanistan

    Uruzgan

    Netherlands Mission Area

    TFU Task Force Uruzgan Appr: 1.900 People

    6 month rotations2008-2010

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    Netherlands Armed Forces

    Population: 16 Million

    Total Size: 68.300-Army: 26.000-Navy: 10.000

    -Airforce: 10.000

    Budget: Appr 8,3 Billion

    Airforce Base Eindhoven

    Port Eemshaven

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    Deh Rawood

    Netherlands Camps

    Tarin Kowt

    KandaharAirforce Base

    Camp Hadrian

    Camp Holland

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    Tarin Kowd Deh Rawood

    Kandahar

    Afghanistan

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    Netherlands Armed Forces

    To Afghanistan

    Airforce Base Eindhoven

    KDC-10

    C-17

    IL-76

    Port Eemshaven

    6.000 km2 days

    10.000 km25-45 days

    75.000 Kg; 500hShort landing track (1 km)

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    Netherlands Mission Area

    Some Equipment in Afghanistan

    Cougar

    Bushmaster

    C-130(17.000 kg/128 passengers)

    Fennek

    YPR

    MB

    Patria

    ConvoysChinook

    Apache

    For transport For missions

    Viking

    PzH2000

    F16

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    Close Cooperation with ANA

    TFU

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    TFUExperiences

    Ammunition

    Extremely High Need forAmmunition

    Ammunition:Need for high quantities

    Need for good quality

    Need for improved performance(urban targets)

  • Small Caliber Ammunition (upto 12,7 mm)

    Medium Caliber Ammunition 25mmx137 for 25mm Canon IFV 40mmx46 for Underslung and Stand Alone (Low Velocity) 40mmx53 for AGL (High Velocity)

    Mortar Ammunition 60mm 81mm

    AT/AS ammunition

    AT4 LAW M72A1 PzF / Bunkerfaust Gill

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    Experiences

    Infantry Ammunition

    TFU

    Storage

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    Experiences

    Infantry Support Weaponsystems ( Ammunition)

    TFU

    155mm PzH2000NL

    Apache AH-64D Helicopter 30mm HEDP 2,75 Rockets Hellfire Missiles

    F16 A/B MLU Aircraft 20mm FAP (now M70 mix) Bombs (laserguided/GPS) Missiles (only Air-to-Air)

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    Experiences

    Other Infantry Ammunition

    TFU

    Handgrenades

    Smoke grenades(vehicle protection)

    Special Forces

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    TFUExperiences

    MOUT Targets

    Clay Walls (av. 80cm thick); Sundried, mixed with stones and other materials

    Qualas

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    TFUExperiences

    Extreme Environment

    Sandstorm Winter conditions

    HOT COLD

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    ExperiencesTFU

    Experiences

    Extreme Mistreatment of Ammunition

    Tune Up the qualification programs ?

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    Experiences

    Small Caliber Ammunition (upto 12,7mm)

    TFU

    Not very effective against Quala targets

    5,56mm7,62mm

    DiemacoMinimi Long Range

    Rifles

    8,6mm7,62 MAG

    7,62 COAX 12,7mm

    High quantity use

    Shotgun

    12,7mm

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    Experiences

    Medium Caliber Ammunition

    TFU

    25mmx137 for 25mm Canon IFV

    40mmx46 for Underslung and Stand Alone (Low Velocity)

    40mmx53 for AGL (High Velocity)

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    Experiences

    25mm Ammunition (IFV)

    TFU

    25mm APDS-T, nr121

    RWMS: TLB073Soft metal cartridge case

    Malfunctioning

    Linked Ammo

    25mm APFSDS-T, nr554

    RWMS: PLB090Hard metal cartridge case

    High quantity use

    Initial quantity from:

    DNK & CND (C137)

    Qualified for use upto +63 C

    STANAG 4173

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    TFUExperiences

    25mm Ammunition (IFV)

    1 rndNo penetration

    3 rndsPenetration

    25mm APFSDS-TNOT very effective against Quala targets

    Effective at ranges > 2.000m (other type of targets)

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    Experiences

    40mmx53 High & Low Velocity

    Ranges

    TFU

    AGL: Used at firing ranges 2,200m - 2.500m

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    Experiences

    40mmx46 (Low Velocity Ammunition)

    TFU

    Need for a wide range of different types of rounds; from HE to Less than Lethal (F&B; IR ILL).Different colours of smoke (Marking).

    Underslung AG36

    Stand alone

    High quantity use

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    TFU

    High quantity useVery effective

    Used at firing ranges 2,200m - 2.500m

    Experiences

    40mmx53 (High Velocity Ammunition)

    40mmx53 HE-T SD DM111

    40mmx53 HEDP M430

    GER supportUSA support

    40mm AGL H&K

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    TFUExperiences

    Mortar Ammunition

    60mm

    81mm

    81mm L16A1 / L16A260mm Hotchkiss

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    TFUExperiences

    60mm Mortar

    60mm Rounds(examples)

    Usefull equipment(Platoon Level)

    Ranges: 400m 1.000m

    Ammo quality problems: SMK (Low smoke production)

    ILL (Non functioning)

    High quantity use

    HE ILLSMK WP

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    TFUExperiences

    81mm Mortar

    HEwith Fuzes PD or Prox

    SMKWP

    SMKRP

    ILLAlso IlLL IR

    High quantity useNew ammo family

    coming up.

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    TFUExperiences

    AT/AS Ammunition

    AT4

    LAW M72A1

    PzF

    Bunkerfaust

    Gill

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    TFUExperiences

    AT4 and LAWM72A1

    AT 4

    M72A1

    Special Forces

    Not effective against Qualas

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    TFUExperiences

    Panzerfaust Family

    PzF DM12A2

    BF DM32

    Developed to defeat bunkers

    Heavy System (in case of walking)

    BF most effective system to defeat

    Qualas

    Developed to defeat armourwith inserted probe: HESH mode

    Scalable effect!

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    Experiences

    Gill

    TFU

    High Cost System

    Effective to defeat Qualas

    Alternative: Apache / Art support

    but that takes more time

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    ExperiencesTFU

    Infantry Support

    Weaponsystems ( Ammunition)

    155mm PzH2000NL

    Apache Helicopter 30mm HEDP 2,75 Rockets Hellfire Missiles

    F16 Aircraft 20mm FAP (now M70 mix) Bombs (Laserguided/GPS) Missiles (Air-to-Air)

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    Experiences

    155mm PzH2000NL ammunition

    TFU

    High quantity useAll types

    HE DM131A1 40kmM107 18km

    SMK HC DM115 >20kmILL DM116 >20km

    Propelling chargesM4Nr13 (8th charge)Modullar Charges DM92

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    Experiences

    Apache Helicopter 30mm HEDP

    2,75 Rockets

    Hellfire Missiles

    TFU

    High quantity useAll types

    Effective Ammunition

    Against Qualas ?Hellfire II, AGM-114N,

    for use against buildings, bunkers:

    Effective against Qualas ?

    High cost system

    30mm HEDPM789

    M231

    30mm M230

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    ExperiencesTFU

    F16 Aircraft 20mm FAP (now: M70)

    Bombs

    Missiles

    High quantity useAll types

    High cost systems

    20mm FAP

    Laserguided (GBU12)

    GPS guided (GBU38)

    Laser/GPS (GBU49)

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    ExperiencesTFU

    Other Infantry AmmunitionHandgrenades

    High quantity useAll types

    Extreme Rough Handling (tune up qualification programms?)

    Smoke

    Smoke Colar

    Offensive Incendary

    FragmentationTeargas

    F&B

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    ExperiencesTFU

    Experiences

    Smoke Grenades

    66mm SMK RP

    No info on High quantity use

    76mm Smoke RP

    Investigation on operational functioning in extreme cl