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KURT STEISS/OCOLLY
Cowboys overcome wildness to wrangle Longhorns with 30-27 victory.
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2015 OCOLLY.COM PAGE 2
AUSTIN, Texas It was part football game and part dumpster fire, but the Oklahoma State Cowboys are 4-0.OSU kicker Ben Grogan, oft
the subject of criticism, made a 40-yard field goal with six seconds left to give the Cowboys a 30-27 win against the Texas Longhorns on Saturday.Being down by three for so
long in the game, I had already put it in my head that it was go-ing to come down to a field goal to win it, Grogan said.But as much as Grogan and
OSU won the game, the Long-horns lost it.With less than a minute left,
Texas punter Michael Dickson fumbled a fourth-down snap before scrambling to recover the ball and punting out of bounds for minus-6 yards.OSU (4-0, 1-0 Big 12) got the
ball at Texas 18-yard line with 36 seconds left, setting up Grogans chip shot despite a false start penalty on second down, forcing OSU to use a timeout.I was running over there, and
I see that (Dickson) kicked it out of bounds, Cowboys cornerback Kevin Peterson said. I thought, Yes, yes, yes, we got Ben Gro-gan back there. I know hes over there warming up. I know we got it.The Cowboys moved into field-
goal range on their previous drive
when Texas coach Charlie Strong was called for unsportsmanlike conduct after his reaction to offi-cials whistling defensive lineman Poona Ford for holding.The guy said it was a de-
fensive holding call, and I said, On a run play on the offense that cannot happen, but it did, Strong said.Texas (1-3, 0-1) finished with
16 penalties for 128 yards, and
Grogan ended that drive with a 41-yarder to tie the game with 1:33 left.Combined with last weeks loss
at the hands of a missed extra point, the Longhorns late col-lapse makes for two of the most catastrophic weeks in the history of Texas football. It also made for OSUs fourth consecutive win at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium, matching the most by
any team.On the way to the weird, wild
win, OSU overcame three turn-overs from quarterback Mason Rudolph. He finished 22-of-34 for 290 yards and a touchdown, but a few mistakes ruined his game and nearly the Cow-boys early season momentum.In the second quarter, Rudolph
began his throwing motion while under pressure, but the ball slung
out of his hand, and Texas line-man Hassan Ridgeway returned it 34 yards for a touchdown.In the third quarter, Rudolph
overthrew Austin Hays on a comeback route. It turned into a 41-yard interception return from Holton Hill that gave Texas a 27-24 lead.Rudolph also threw an inter-
ception on his next drive, and OSU coach Mike Gundy opted to use J.W. Walsh multiple times in the fourth quarter as the Cowboys moved to a conserva-tive approach that left many fans puzzled.(Rudolph) is early in his ca-
reer, but he needs to play better. Period, Gundy said.In addition to its two defen-
sive touchdowns, Texas got just enough offensive production to hang with OSU until the end. UT quarterback Jerrod Heard was 9-of-17 for 119 yards with an interception and also ran for 48 yards.The Oklahoma State defense,
though, limited Texas to 48 yards in the second half and got an interception from Seth Jacobs, who corralled a deflected pass despite playing with a cast on his right hand.The game was ugly from all ac-
counts, but two programs moving in opposite directions also had opposite endings.As the Longhorns slumped out
of an emptied stadium wondering what comes next, the Cowboys went to the locker room and cel-ebrated with a trademark Gundy dance.God has a crazy way of doing
things, but Im glad hes in our favor, Peterson said. It was a rewarding win for the whole team. We want to be Big 12 Champions, and this is the first step.
rogan kicks game-winner in OSUs wild win against Texas
kurt steiss/OCOLLYOklahoma State kicker Ben Grogan gets ready to attempt a field goal against Texas on Saturday. Grogans two field goals in the final two minutes of the game gave OSU a 30-27 victory.
C o d y S t a v e n h a g e n
@ C o d y S ta v e n h a g e n
senior SPORTS reporter
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2015 OCOLLY.COM PAGE 3
AUSTIN, Texas Glenn Spencer stood on the east sideline of Dar-rell K Royal-Texas Me-morial Stadium pumping his fist, dishing out chest bumps and smiling.Throughout No. 24
Oklahoma States 30-27 win over Texas, Spencer, the Cowboys defensive coordinator, had plenty to be happy about.Hes one of us; he just
calls the plays, cor-nerback Kevin Peterson said. He loves when we do good things. He gets on us when we do bad things, but its just like anybody on defense. If somebody makes a good play, we gonna go scream and shout for them. Hes one of our biggest supporters.The OSU defense had
seven sacks and another five tackles for loss. It held a quarterback who set a school-record for to-tal offense a week ago to under 170 total yards. It did not allow a first down in the fourth quarter.The sideline, the
whole second half their demeanor, the look in their eye we just kept saying Weve just
gotta go out and make an-other stop, Spencer said. You say that sometimes, and sometimes things dont work out but for them to get reward for that kind of fight, that was
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@ N at h a n S R u i z
Sports editor
pretty special.While the Cowboys (4-
0, 1-0 Big 12) sputtered on offense, the defense wrangled the Longhorns (1-3, 0-1). With OSU trailing 27-24 entering the
fourth quarter, the defense held Texas to minus-9 yards in the final frame.The Longhorns first
drive of the quarter ended on a turnover on downs. Their next three were all
three-and-outs.Anytime we step into
a game, we (the defense) feel like we gotta win it, Peterson said. If you have that mentality, youre gonna attack, youre
gonna kill, and youre going to play the best you can play every play.Texas quarterback Jer-
rod Heard torched Cal for 527 yards of total offense last week. But he man-aged only 167 against OSU as the Cowboys crushed his rushing total with seven sacks.OSU allowed just one
offensive touchdown in the game, midway through the second quarter. The only points Texas scored in the second half came on a pick-six by Holton Hill.After averaging 6.32
yards per carry in the first half, the Longhorns had only 13 yards on 17 car-ries in the second half.They executed the
game plan in the second half, Spencer said. They just kept believing. They didnt give up hope. They never gave up hope.Spencers excitement
carried over to his players. Cowboys cheered from the sidelines, surrounding players after they made big players. When Spen-cer got involved in chest-bumping ruckus early in the fourth quarter, OSU got called for a sideline warning.But it was part of the
fun.Thats one thing weve
got to do better, and we did better today, is being excited on the sidelines, safety Jor-dan Sterns said. Making the big plays, the teams starting to come together, and were getting excited together.
Defense does heavy lifting in Oklahoma States 30-27 win over Texas
kurt steiss/OCOLLYOklahoma State defensive coordinator Glenn Spencer talks with linebacker Jordan Burton during OSUs 30-27 win agaisnt Texas. The Cowboys defense did not allow a Longhorn first down in the fourth quarter.
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Kayla Hodgin/OCOLLYAbout 1,800 OSU students use student health plans.
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Affordable Care Act offers better plans, more options for OSU students
In the five years since President Barack Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, the San Fran-cisco Giants have won three World Series, Jon Stewart retired from the Daily Show and U.S. troops left and returned to Iraq.Campuses across the
country updated health-care plans for employees and students to meet new requirements for affordabil-ity and coverage. Okla-homa State University is no exception. Jamie Payne, OSU chief
human resource officer, said the Affordable Care Act hasnt affected the university adversely. She said employee health plans didnt see many changes with the Affordable Care Act because they already
met the requirements for a gold-level plan. The OSU health plan
definitely meets the criteria for affordability, Payne said. So, a lot of those early adopted regulations didnt impact us at all.A gold-level plan under
the Affordable Care Act means that for an average population, the plan would cover 80 percent of health costs, with 20 percent of the costs out-of-pocket. In the OSU-A&M sys-
tem, there are about 6,500 participating in employee group health plans, Payne said. Students are also eligible
for these plans as student employees, such as those working in University Din-ing Services or Parking and Transportation Services. Students must work at least 30 hours a week over a 12-month review period to be eligible.Kylie Castillo, an English
senior and a front desk clerk at the Leadership and Campus Life offices, is covered under her parents healthcare plan. Castillo said if her
parents policy didnt cover her, shed use an employee health group plan instead of
a student plan. I would take the neces-
sary steps to lighten my load as far as things that Im active in to work those 30 hours, Castillo said. I think that having healthcare and those benefits is really important as opposed to just being really involved on campus. Among all participants
in employee health group plans, less than two percent are students who use em-ployee plans because of the large amount of work hours required in addition to regu-lar coursework, Payne said.The university offered
catastrophic coverage plans for students before the Af-fordable Care Act. Professor Vicki Mac-
Dougal, an Oklahoma City University law professor who specializes in health-care law, said these plans werent the best, but offered coverage in a pinch. They were not great
plans, but did provide some coverage for major illnesses, MacDougal said. I have seen students benefit greatly from such plans when the unexpected happened.But, as a result of the
Affordable Care Act,
OSUs student health plans are now fully insured like employee plans. They carry similar premiums and ben-efits, but offer more than just catastrophic coverage. OSU has about 1,800 stu-
dents using student health plans, brokered through Academic Health Plans and insured by United Health-care, Payne said. Undergraduate students
taking more than nine credit hours per semester, or three hours in the summer, are eligible for a student-health plan. Graduate students tak-ing six hours, working on a thesis or dissertation and those in their final semester are also eligible, along with international students. But theres a reason fewer
students use university health plans. MacDougal said a key provision of the Affordable Care Act allows students to have coverage through most of their aca-demic careers. The act allows for
children to stay covered under their parents insur-ance policies through age 26, providing coverage to a large portion of college students. The college age group
has a low risk of high
insurance payouts, and MacDougal said she thinks its possible for children to stay on their parents policy even until age 28 and not adversely raise premiums or threaten insurance industry profit margins. The longer time span
would allow students to finish any and all gradu-ate work and their parents policy would still cover them. There are better coverage
plans for students with the Affordable Care Act, but theres still a catch. Mac-Dougal said the mandate for students to have healthcare
provides for better cover-age, but doesnt take into account the financial bur-den of being a student. The health care ex-
changes might provide some relief because many students would qualify financially for the subsidies due to their low income, MacDougal said. Howev-er, some students might not be able to afford anything if they are on a ramen noodle diet. Hopefully, the threat of penalties wont deter students from seeking education.
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RESTINGINJESUS!
Anoldhymngoessomething l ikeAnoldhymngoessomething l ikethis;UnderhiswingsIamsafelyabiding,thoughthenightdeepensandtempestsarewild.Stil lIcantrusthim;Iknowhewillkeepme.HehasredeemedmeandIamhischild.TheBibletellsusthattherereTheBibletellsusthattherere-mainsaresttothepeopleofGod.(Heb.4:9)John15tellsusofmuchfruitcanbeproduced inandthroughtheonewhoabides inChrist.Oneaspectofabiding isresting.He isseated inheavenbecausehisworkofsalvation isbecausehisworkofsalvation isf inished.Here issomeonewecanfullytrustbecausehenowsitsattherighthandofGodwithallpowerandauthority.(Matt.28:18)Heneverchanges;JesusChrist isthesameyesterdayandtodayandforever.(He.13:8)Hetellsusforever.(He.13:8)HetellsusneverwillI leaveyou;neverwillIforsakeyou.(Heb.13:5)He loves
uswithasteadfast love.(Ro.8:3839)It isarestoffaiththat isours inChrist.It isanactivetrustthatwecanchoseandpracticeeachday.Thistrust isbasedonthecharacterandpromiseofGod.Theseneverchange.There isanothTheseneverchange.There isanoth-eroldhymnthatgoes l ikethis;Myfaithhasfoundarestingplace,not inamanmadecreed:Itrusttheever l ivingone,thatheformewillplead.EnoughformethatJesussaves,thisendsmyfearsanddoubt:AsinfulsoulIcometoHim,hewillnotcastmeout.Mysoul isrestingontheWord,theMysoul isrestingontheWord,thel ivingWordofGod:Salvation inmySaviorsname,salvationthroughhisblood.Chorus:Ineednootherevidence,IChorus:Ineednootherevidence,Ineednootherplea:It isenoughthatJesusdiedandroseagainforme.
RESTINGINJESUS!
Anoldhymngoessomething l ikeAnoldhymngoessomething l ikethis;UnderhiswingsIamsafelyabiding,thoughthenightdeepensandtempestsarewild.Stil lIcantrusthim;Iknowhewillkeepme.HehasredeemedmeandIamhischild.TheBibletellsusthattherereTheBibletellsusthattherere-mainsaresttothepeopleofGod.(Heb.4:9)John15tellsusofmuchfruitcanbeproduced inandthroughtheonewhoabides inChrist.Oneaspectofabiding isresting.He isseated inheavenbecausehisworkofsalvation isbecausehisworkofsalvation isf inished.Here issomeonewecanfullytrustbecausehenowsitsattherighthandofGodwithallpowerandauthority.(Matt.28:18)Heneverchanges;JesusChrist isthesameyesterdayandtodayandforever.(He.13:8)Hetellsusforever.(He.13:8)HetellsusneverwillI leaveyou;neverwillIforsakeyou.(Heb.13:5)He loves
uswithasteadfast love.(Ro.8:3839)It isarestoffaiththat isours inChrist.It isanactivetrustthatwecanchoseandpracticeeachday.Thistrust isbasedonthecharacterandpromiseofGod.Theseneverchange.There isanothTheseneverchange.There isanoth-eroldhymnthatgoes l ikethis;Myfaithhasfoundarestingplace,not inamanmadecreed:Itrusttheever l ivingone,thatheformewillplead.EnoughformethatJesussaves,thisendsmyfearsanddoubt:AsinfulsoulIcometoHim,hewillnotcastmeout.Mysoul isrestingontheWord,theMysoul isrestingontheWord,thel ivingWordofGod:Salvation inmySaviorsname,salvationthroughhisblood.Chorus:Ineednootherevidence,IChorus:Ineednootherevidence,Ineednootherplea:It isenoughthatJesusdiedandroseagainforme.
TRULY FIND CHRIST!
The Wise Men: Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him. (Mt.2:1-2 NIV)What brought these men to Jerusalem? They had seen a star in the east. God is the initiator that challenges men to seek him. Here was a group who, when they were challenged, began to travel and seek the King. That King is alive today; Jesus crucified and now raised to life by the power of God. Men can still seek, find and worship him! The challenge to seek and find him comes in many ways. It could be even this article. To find him in reality means a new eternal beginning.These men had traveled a long way, very rough riding, no special motels along the way, but they were willing to do this because
they realized the importance of finding this one who was to be Gods king.They caused quite a stir in Jerusalem. From King Herod through the whole city; they were disturbed. This was a city of much commerce and also religion. The religious leaders even knew from the prophets of old that the king would be born in Bethlehem. Y et none of the people wanted to join in the search for the King. I understand that Bethlehem is only about 5 miles from Jerusalem, but no one accept the Magi was interested enough in finding the king to make the short journey.In the Bible we are told that God determines mans time and where they are to live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. (Acts. 17:26-27 NIV) G ods purpose for you is to find him; know him, trust him and follow him. Knowing him is eternal life! ( Jn.17:3) You may miss many things, but dont miss this!
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It really doesnt have an impact on the day-to-day functioning of the Library, Ober-helman said. While it might not be aestheti-cally pleasing to look at, all buildings require routine maintenance. Cathy Perry, who has
lived in Stillwater for 23 years, said the out-come of the project will be worth the wait. Its like the football
stadium. Perry said. At one time it was under construction, now look at it. Construction development is neces-
sary for growth. Many students, in-
cluding Thomas Liese, an agribusiness senior, have noticed the change of the librarys appear-ance this semester.It definitely catches
your eye, Liese said. ... It just looks out of place.Liese presented his
class ring, which shows Pistol Pete standing in front of the Edmon Low Library. It shows just how
much of an icon the library is, Liese said. The project is sched-
uled to be finished at the end of 2015, which [email protected]
means the library will still be under construc-tion during Homecom-ing and Fanfare of Lights. Gary Shutt, OSU spokesman, said in an email that he hopes visitors under-stand the improvements are necessary to main-tain the longevity of the building.I hope people un-
derstand that this is a building that has been here since the 50s, and it must be restored so it has many more years of making our campus beautiful, Shutt said.
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