MUSIC: SERGEI PROKOFIEV, PETER & THE WOLF (1936) PHILADELPHIA Orchestra (1977) conductOR: EUGENE ORMANDY NARRATOR: DAVID BOWIE

MUSIC: SERGEI PROKOFIEV, PETER & THE

WOLF (1936) PHILADELPHIA Orchestra (1977)conductOR: EUGENE ORMANDY

NARRATOR: DAVID BOWIE

Liesner DQ16: Uranium

What are “the superior advantages which the trial court had”?

• Visual Observation of Witnesses• Hearing Testimony


What do these advantages suggest about the appropriate role of the

appellate court in reviewing factual determinations made by juries or

trial judges?


What do these advantages suggest about the appropriate role of the appellate court in

reviewing factual determinations made by juries or trial judges?

DEFERENCE!!

Liesner Brief: UraniumRATIONALES

•Not a lot in a narrow case reviewing sufficiency of the evidence.•Might give substantive rule as a doctrinal rationale.•Might give “superior advantages” as a policy rationale

LOGISTICS: CLASS #7• Dean’s Fellow Make-up Fri 1:30-2:20 Room F109• Radium: Shaw Brief Due Thurs @9pm– Qs on Instructions?

• Other Qs on Instructions for Written Assignments/ Common Writing Concerns?

• Everyone Called On!!

Liesner DQ17-18: Radium• 17. In its second paragraph, the court announces the

“prevailing rule.” What does the court mean by “vested”? By “divested”? What types of evidence would you try to find in order to prove that this test was or was not met? What policies support the rule? What policies suggest that it has problems?

• 18. Suppose you had to use the “prevailing rule” to decide the outcome in Pierson? What arguments could you make for each side?

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Liesner DQ17: Radium“Prevailing rule” (Three Formulations):

•Property in a wild animal created if people have “substantially permanently deprived [animal] of his liberty—had him so in their power that escape was highly improbable, if not impossible….”

•“The instant a wild animal is brought under the control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable, a vested property interest in it accrues which cannot be divested by another’s intervening and killing it.”

Liesner DQ17: Radium• “The instant a wild animal is brought under the

control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable, a vested property interest in it accrues which cannot be divested by another’s intervening and killing it.”

Meaning of Vested?

Liesner DQ17: Radium• “The instant a wild animal is brought under the

control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable, a vested property interest in it accrues which cannot be divested by another’s intervening and killing it.”

Meaning of Vested? Of Divested?

Liesner DQ17: Radium

Example of Property Right We’ve Discussed That is Contingent (As

Opposed to Vested)?

Liesner DQ17: RadiumExample of Property Right We’ve

Discussed That is Contingent (As Opposed to Vested)?

RATIONE SOLI


•Property in a wild animal created if people have “substantially permanently deprived [animal] of his liberty—had him so in their power that escape was highly improbable, if not impossible….”

•“The instant a wild animal is brought under the control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable, a vested property interest in it accrues which cannot be divested by another’s intervening and killing it.”

Liesner DQ17: Radium“Prevailing rule” (Three

Formulations): •substantially permanently deprive [animal] of liberty (SPDL)•[animal] so in their power that escape improbable, if not impossible•[animal] under control so that actual possession practically inevitable

Liesner DQ17: RadiumWhat policies support the rule?

What policies suggest that it has problems?

As compared to what?

Liesner DQ17: RadiumCOMPARE POSSIBLE RULES

1.Actual Possession Likely2.Actual Possession Practically Inevitable3.Actual Possession Inevitable

Policies Supporting Choice of #2?

Liesner DQ17: RadiumCOMPARE POSSIBLE RULES

1.Actual Possession Likely2.Actual Possession Practically Inevitable3.Actual Possession Inevitable

Policies Opposing Choice of #2?


•substantially permanently deprive [animal] of liberty (SPDL)•[animal] so in their power that escape improbable, if not impossible•[animal] under control so that actual possession practically inevitable

MEANING OF LANGUAGE?

Liesner DQ17: RadiumMEANING OF LANGUAGE?

•Court refers to “the prevailing rule;” so might believe all three mean the same thing.•BUT usual assumption in law that all language is there for a reason, so different phrases must mean different things.

Liesner DQ17: RadiumProperty Rights in Animal IF:

•substantially permanently deprived [animal] of his liberty

MEANING OF LANGUAGE?Significance of Two Separate Adverbs?


•so in their power that escape was highly improbable, if not impossible •under the control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable

MEANING OF LANGUAGE?Difference betw. underlined phrases?


•so in their power that escape was highly improbable, if not impossible •under the control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable

MEANING OF LANGUAGE?Difference betw. underlined phrases?


1.so in their power that escape was highly improbable, if not impossible 2.under the control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable

Nice idea (from Hito B2): Maybe…#1 is test designed to use for animal in net or trap;#2 is test designed to use for animal being chased/mortally wounded


Apply to Pierson Facts: Property Rights if …

•substantially permanently deprived [animal] of [its] liberty



•under the control of a person so that actual possession is practically inevitable



•so in their power that escape was highly improbable, if not impossible

We’ll leave for you


Applying Legal Rule /Test1.Look for best arguments for each party– Be Cognizant of Structure of Test– Use Care w Language– Utilize Definitions


Applying Legal Rule /Test1.Look for best arguments for each party2.If significant doctrinal arguments for both parties, try to resolve with: – Comparisons to facts of cases– Other language from cases– Policy Arguments (incl. Purpose of Rule)

Liesner Trial Transcript: DQ19

Oxygen (B2)Attorneys for Liesners

• Nanes, Tammy• Deleon, Blair• Lasoff, Sean

Attorneys for Wanie• Baros, Cara• Holmes, Jordan• Vaal, Joshua


OxygenNote Anderson testimony (p.17):

“REPLEVIED”Suggests replevin was cause of action


OxygenLiesners must have argued:• L-Boys did mortally wound wolf• L-Boys did continue pursuit

BEST EVIDENCE SUPPORTING?


OxygenKEY ARGUMENTS BY WANIE’S ATTORNEYS?

• Uncertain that L-Boys mortally wounded wolf• L-Boys did not continue pursuit

BEST EVIDENCE SUPPORTING?

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MUSIC: SERGEI PROKOFIEV, PETER & THE WOLF (1936) PHILADELPHIA Orchestra (1977) conductOR: EUGENE ORMANDY NARRATOR: DAVID BOWIE