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REF: A) CANBERRA 6363, B) CANBERRA 6158 (BOTH NOTAL)

1. C-ENTIRE TEXT.

SUMMARY

2. IN BILATERAL POL-MIL TALKS OCT. 20-21, AUSTRALIAN AND U. S. DELS WERE MOSTLY IN AGREEMENT ACROSS THE BROAD RANGE OF ISSUES. BOTH DEL HEADS (U.S. PM A/S MCNAMARA

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE REVIEW AUTHORITY: CLARKE NELLIS CLASSIFICATION: CONFIDENTIAL REASON: 1.4(B), 1.4(D) DECLASSIFY AFTER: 30 NOV 2019 DATE/CASEID: 14 APR 2011 200908577 UNCLASSIFIED

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AND GOA DPAT DEPSEC JONES) STRESSED TH~ IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUING U.S. ENGAGEMENT WITH THE ASIA-PACIFIC AND THE DANGER OF WMD PROLIFERATION. THE GOA WARMLY WELCOMED THE "MASSIVELY SIGNIFICANT" U. AGREEMENT

3. ON SOUTHEAST ASIA, THE GOA SEES A BROADLY FAVORABLE CONFIDENTIAL

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7. AUSTRALIAN AND U.S. DELEGATIONS HELD POLITICAL­MILITARY TALKS IN CANBERRA OCT. 20-21. DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE (DFAT) DEPUTY SECRETARY KIM JONES LED THE AUSTRALIAN SIDE; STATE PM ASSISTANT

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AMEMBASSY 'ISLAMABAD AMEMBASSY PARIS AMEMBASSY LONDON USCINCPAC HONOLULU HI//J5/FPA// USMISSION USUN NEW YORK USMISSION USVIENNA ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE JOINT STAFF WASHDC SECDEF WASHDC USMISSION GENEVA

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SECRETARY TED MCNAMARA LED THE U. S . AMB. MCNAMARA ALSO MET WITH FOREIGN MINISTER GARETH EVANS (REF A) .

AUSTRALIAN OVERVIEW

8. DFAT'S JONES BEGAN WITH A LENGTHY OVERVIEW, STRESSING THAT THE FLUID POST-COLD WAR STRATEGIC ~ __ ~ ENVIRONMENT ALLOWS SCOPE FOR ORIGINAL THINKING.

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-- SUMMING UP, JONES STRESSED THAT AUSTRALIA VALUES ITS ALLIANCE AND INTELLIGENCE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE U.S. WE HAVE LARGELY COMPLEMENTARY INTERESTS.

THE U.S. OVERVIEW

9. A/S MCNAMARA RESPONDED WITH A SKETCH OF U. S. VIEWS. IN DISCUSSING U.S. ALLIANCES AND PARTNERSHIPS IN THE ASIA-PACIFIC, HE DESCRIBED THE U.S.-AUSTRALIA ALLIANCE AS THE "LONGEST AND STRONGEST." HE NOTED: THE

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INC~ASING IMPORTANCE OF REGIONAL SECURITY AND NON-PROLIFERATION ISSUES; THE LESSON TAUGHT DURING THE COLD WAR OF THE VALUE OF LONG-TERM COMM:ITMENTS AND ALLIANCES; GULF WAR LESSONS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF MULTILATERAL/COALITION SECURITY EFFORTS AND ABOUT THE VALUE OF CONVENTIONAL MILITARY POWER; AND THE DIFFICULTY OF DEALING WITH "FAILED STATES."

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REQUIRE NEW THINKING. HE COMPLIMENTED AUSTRALIA'S ROLE IN CAMBODIA. I

MCNAMARA EMPHASIZED ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS.

NORTH KOREA

11. MCNAMARA DESCRIBED THE U. S. -DPRK AGREEMENT WHICH HAD BEEN ANNOUNCED TWO DAYS BEFORE. HE NOTED AUSTRALIA'S EXPRESSION OF INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN THE ENERGY CONSORTIUM CONTEMPLATED BY THE AGREEMENT

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13. MCNAMARA LAUDED THE U. S-JAPAN ALLIANCE, PRAISED JAPANESE SUPPORT FOR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DPRK, AND STRESSED THAT SECURITY LINKS HAVE BEEN, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE, SUCCESSFULLY ISOLATED FROM ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. J

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AMEMl3ASSY . PARIS AMEMBASSY LONDON USCINCPAC HONOLULU HI//J5/FPA// USMISSION USUN NEW YORK USMISSION USVIENNA ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE JOINT STAFF WASHDC SECDEF WASHDC USMISSION GENEVA

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30 . ADOD FAS WHITE, ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF AUSTRALIA'S SOON-TO-BE-RELEASED DEFENSE WHITE PAPER, PREVIEWED THE DOCUMENT'S LOOK AHEAD 15 YEARS IN BROAD, FAMILIAR

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41. IN THE COURSE OF REVIEWING CURRENT ACTIVITIES IN HAITI, RWANDA, SOMALIA, AND BOSNIA, MCNAMARA THANKED AUSTRALIA FOR ITS RECENT POLICE CONTRIBUTION TO THE EFFORT IN HAITI. MCNAMARA ATTRIBUTED BOTH SECURITY AND HUMANITARIAN VALUE TO SUCH OPERATIONS. I

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56. A/S MCNAMARA CHARACTERIZED AUSTRALIA AS A LIKE-MINDED NATION WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THE U. S. VERY MUCH VALUES. HE CALLED COMMON INTEREST AND PURPOSE THE GLUE THAT KEEPS US TOGETHER, AND SINGLED OUT THE DISCUSSIONS ON PEACEKEEPING, THE NPT, AND LANDMINES AS "ESPECIALLY HELPFUL." HE WELCOMED THE GOA'S COMMITMENT TO NON-PROLIFERATION AND ARMS CONTROL, NOTED THAT ARMS CONTROL BlLATERALS ARE PLANNED FOR JANUARY, AND INVITED THE AUSTRALIAN SIDE TO THE U. S. FOR POL-MIL TALKS IN 1995. JONES ACCEPTED.

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