Volume IV ThursdayNo. 34 20th December, 1962

PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS

SITTING OF THE HOUSE (Motion) [Col. 3579]

ORDER OF BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 35791

BILL :The Supply Bill, 1963--

Committee of Supply (Thirteenth Allotted Day)Heads S. 61 to S. 65 [Col. 3580]

MOTION :

The Development Estimates, 1963-

Committee-Head 100 [Col. 36161Heads 101 and 102 [Col, 3620]Heads 103 and 104 [Col. 3639]Heads 105 to 113 [Col. 3645]

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN

OLEH MOHAMED BIN ABDULLAH, PEMANGKU PENCHETAK KERAJAAN

PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU

1963

FEDERATION OF MALAYA

DEWAN RA'AYAT(HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

Official Report,

Fourth Session of the First Dewan Ra`ayat

Thursday, 24th December, 1962

The House met at Ten o'clock a.m.

PRESENT :

The Honourable the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence andMinister of Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAKBIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan).

„ the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of theInterior, DATO' DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN,

P.M.N. (Johor Timor).„ the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN STEW SIN, J.P.

(Malacca Tengah).

the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications,DATO' V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput).

„ the Minister of Health, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HMITALIB (Kuantan).

the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEEAUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan).

„ the Minister of Education , TUAN HMI ABDUL HAMID KHAN

BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).the Assistant Minister of the Interior,ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintang).

the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry,TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN(Kota Star Utara).

the Assistant Minister of Information and Broadcasting,ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Malacca Utara).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN, P.J.K. (Krian Laut).

„ ENCHE' ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis).

ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani).

„ TOH MUDA HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI ABDUL RAOF(Kuala Kangsar).

„ TUAN HAIL ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.S.(Segamat Utara).

„ TUAN HAIL AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir).

„ ENCHE' AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N . (Muar Utara).„ ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak).

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The Honourable ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, S.M.J.

(Johor Bahru Barat).TUAN HMI AHMAD BIN SAID (Seberang Utara).

ENCHE ' AHMAD BIN HAJI YUSOF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat).

TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HMI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat).

ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam).

DR BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD . NOOR (Besut).

„ ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN, A .M.N. (Kluang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong).

ENCHE' CHAN YOON ONN (Kampar).

„ ENCHE' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor).

ENCHE' V. DAVID (Bungsar).

DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM , P.M.N.

(Jitra -Padang Terap).„ ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara).

„ ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD . YUNUS, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara).

ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH , A.M.N. (Baling).

„ ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILUS (Trengganu Tengah).

TUAN HAJI HASAN ADLI BIN HAJI ARSHAD(Kuala Trengganu Utara).

TUAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJI AHMAD (Tumpat).

ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Malacca Selatan).

„ ENCHE ' HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN (Raub).

TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN(Kota Bharu Hulu).

„ ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah).

„ ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan).

„ ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN HAJI KASSIM (Kuala Trengganu Selatan).

„ ENCHE' KANG KocK SEND (Batu Pahat).ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara).

„ CHE' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD . SIDEK (Dungun).

„ ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara).

ENCHE' LEE SECK FUN (Tanjong Malim) .

ENCHE ' LIM KERN SIEW (Dato Kramat).

„ ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang).

„ ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH , J.P. (Port Dickson).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANG (Jelebu-Jempol).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh).

„ ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MOHD. ALI(Kuala Selangor).

„ ENCHE ' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD . DAHAN (Ulu Perak).

„ DATO ' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K.(Pasir Mas Hulu).

ENCHE' MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh).

NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir).

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The Honourable ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu).„ ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah).

ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH , A.M.N. (Perlis Utara).

TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD . SAID (Rembau-Tampin).

ENCHE ' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai).

„ TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE , J.M.N., S . M.J., P.I.S.(Batu Pahat Dalam).

„ TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM , A.M.N., P.J.K.(Sabak Bernam).

„ TUAN SYED JA`AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR , J.M.N.(Johor Tenggara).

„ ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara).

„ ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J .P. (Bagan).

ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong).

„ ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru).„ DATO ' TEOH CHZE CHONG, U.P.M.J ., J.P. (Segamat Selatan).

ENCHE ' Too JooN RING (Teluk Anson).

„ ENCHE ' V. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan).

„ WAN SULAIMAN BIN WAN TAM, P .J.K. (Kota Star Selatan).

WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman).

„ ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh).

„ ENCHE' YEOH TAT BEND (Bruas).

ENCHE' YONG WOO MING (Sitiawan).

„ PUAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN , J.M.N., P.I.S.(Pontian Selatan).

TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD . TAIB (Langat).

„ ENCHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).

ABSENT :

The Honourable Mr Speaker , DATO' HAJI MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR,

S.P.M.J ., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P.

the Prime Minister , Minister of External Affairs andMinister of Information and Broadcasting , Y.T.M. TUNKUABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah).

„ the Minister without Portfolio , DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO'HMI ABDUL RAHMAN , P.M.N. (Muar Selatan).

„ the Minister of Transport , DATO' HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI

JUBIR , P.M.N. (Pontian Utara).

the Minister without Portfolio , DATO' ONG YOKE LIN,P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor).

the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives,ENCHE ' MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah).the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare,ENCHE ' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah).

the Minister without Portfolio , ENCHE ' ABDUL Azlz BINISHAK (Kuala Langat).

the Assistant Minister of Labour and Social Welfare,ENCHE' V. MANICKAVASAGAM , J.M.N., P.J.K. (Kiang).

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The Honourable ENCHE' CHAN SWEE HO (Ulu Kinta).

ENCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar).

ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Pant).

ENCHE' KHONG KOK YAT (Batu Gaj ah).

ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N. (Sepang).

ENCHE' LIM JOO KONG, J.P. (Alor Star).

TURN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan).

ENCHE' QUEK KAI DONG, J.P . (Seremban Barat).ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh).

ENCHE' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu).

ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Malacca).TENGKU BESAR INDRA RAJA IBNI SULTAN IBRAHIM,

D.K., P.M.N. (Ulu Kelantan).WAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hilir).

PRAYERS

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

SITTING OF THE HOUSE

(Motion)

The Minister of Works, Posts and Tele-communications (Dato' V. T. Samban-than): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move,

That notwithstanding the provisions ofStanding Order 12 (1), the House shall besuspended at a quarter past ten o'clock thismorning, shall resume at half-past twoo'clock, in the afternoon and thence shallcontinue until half-past six o'clock, when theHouse shall stand adjourned.

Enche' Ahmad bin Mohamed Shah(Johor Bahru Barat): Sir, I beg tosecond the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That notwithstanding the provisions of

Standing Order 12 (1), the House shall besuspended at a quarter past ten o'clock thismorning, shall resume at half-past twoo'clock, in the afternoon and thence shallcontinue until half-past six o'clock, when theHouse shall stand adjourned.

ORDER OF BUSINESS

(Motion)

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Speaker,Sir, I beg to move, under StandingOrder 14 (1) (n), that item 3 on theOrder Paper for this day shall be takenbefore item 2.

Enche' Ahmad bin Mohamed Shah:Sir, I beg to second the motion.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That under Standing Order 14 (1) (n), item

3 on the Order Paper for this day shall betaken before item 2.

BILL

THE SUPPLY BILL, 1963

Order read for resumed considerationin Committee of Supply (ThirteenthAllotted Day).

House immediately resolved itselfinto Committee of Supply.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

SCHEDULE

Heads S. 61-S. 65

Resumption of debate on Question :

That the sum of $76,928,402 for HeadsS. 61 to S. 65 stand part of the Schedule.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan : Sir, provi-sion is made for three additionalclerical Timescale and Special Gradeappointments for the Pan-MalayanHeadquarters Accounting Organisationwhich has already felt the impactarising from the all-round increase inPost Office business. Funds are alsobeing asked to augment the presentestablishment of the InvestigationBranch as the aim is to station PostalInspectors at strategic points in the

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country so that they can be immediatelyavailable to attend to cases.

To provide additional supervisoryposts necessitated by the growth ofwork and the upgrading of postmaster-ships where the financial responsibilitiesof the office have increased, eightadditional clerical Special Gradeappointments are required.

Under Other Charges, AnnuallyRecurrent (Headquarters), the majorportion of this increase will beabsorbed by the increased use ofstationery and the increased costthereof. The incidence of travelling hasalso increased with the great numberof Post Offices to be opened under theDevelopment Plan.

With regard to the Federation andWireless Licensing Section, the provi-sion of $6,365,865 represents anincrease of $1,014,513 over the 1962provision.

The major portion of the funds($4,355,738) is requested to meetcharges for the conveyance of mails.This is an inescapable commitment butit is a revenue earning item and is fullycovered by the payment made by thepublic.

The provision of $290,600 asked forunder Sub-head 18 is to meet stationeryincreases brought about by the growthof work and extension of postalfacilities. Increased provision is alsorequired to meet the cost of replenish-ing stocks of postage stamps andpublicity of Malayan postage stampsfor sales overseas. The progressiveincrease in rates of allowances payableas a result of incremental salary scales,increase in staff yearly and theconsiderable number of Post Officesand the Postal Agencies necessitatesthe increase shown under Sub-head 25.

Under Other Charges Special Expen-diture, the total provision required forboth the Headquarters and Federationis very much less than that for 1962.The only major item of expenditureis in respect of Office Furniture andEquipment for which a total of $40,950is required. Principal items includepurchase of cash boxes, sorting fittingsand office furniture, etc., for clerks andpostmen.

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With regard to Head S. 63 "PublicWorks" a total expenditure of$7,827,492 is being sought. UnderPersonal Emoluments, increases in thepermanent staff are negligible whencompared with the increased workloadunder the Five-Year DevelopmentPlan and the $20,973 is principally tocover the normal increments of theexisting staff. The increased figure of$543,402 in the item covering "Tem-porary posts for specific projects" isthe principal increase under the totalemoluments item. Provision is alsoasked for the staff of the new Govern-ment Offices at Gurney Road.

Under Other Charges, AnnuallyRecurrent, the total increase is $275,465made up of $106,000 for the P.W.D.and $169,105 for the Common UserServices. The increase of $106,360under P.W.D. is due to the increaseddemands for drawings, as a result of theincrease in building work undertakenby the Department; the increase infreight charges and the transfer oftraining costs for plant operators fromthe P.W.D. Annual Recurrent to thisSub-head. The remaining $169,105under Common User Services isrequired because of the increased costsof water and electricity used; the com-pletion and occupation of the GurneyRoad Government Offices, which latteritems account for $149,000 of the extra$169,105.

Under Special Expenditure theexpenditure on this item is principallyto improve the facilities in the FederalWorkshops to ensure that the largeamount of plant purchased for theRural Development Plan is adequatelymaintained to preserve the capitalinvestment.

I now come to Head S. 64 PublicWorks General Services for which atotal expenditure of $28,674,800 isrequested. The increase of road main-tenance costs requested is to coverthe maintenance of new roads builtunder the Rural and Ordinary Develop-ment Plans. Principal items in thelatter programme are the dual carriage-way new road to Port Swettenham toserve the Port ; part of the Rompin jEndau Road to develop the EastCoast of Pahang ; part of the Bota

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Kiri Road to serve the riverinekampongs and also part of the GunongKeriang Road in Kedah. HonourableMembers will be aware of the workdone on rural roads from inspection oftheir own constituencies. A largeindividual increase under this Head isthat for the maintenance of heavy plantand vehicles. This increase is verynecessary in order to preserve Govern-ment investment in plant and vehicles.Failure to maintain this equipmentwould result in accelerated deteriora-tion and would result in a very seriousloss to Government. The total valueof plant currently owned by the FederalGovernment is some $120 million.

Increases for maintenance of build-ings are also being requested to allowfor the maintenance of new structuresbuilt from the 1962 DevelopmentEstimates. These include hospitals,clinics, schools, Government officesand also housing for all branches ofthe Public Service. It will be noted thatsubhead 17 "Minor Works" previouslyprovided under Head S. 63 PublicWorks is now included under thisHead.

Coming to the last, i.e., Head S. 65Telecommunications, the provisionsasked for 1963 show very little changefrom those for 1962. The increaseof $ 854,064 is covered many times bythe estimated increase of $32 millionin annual revenue to a total of $43.16million.

Under Personal Emoluments techni-cal strength is being increased by 51,and there are a total of 45 additionalposts in various clerical and administra-tive grades. However, the net increaseof posts is only 55 because theoperating establishment is beingreduced by 41. This is made possibleby the conversion to automatice work-ing of a number of manually operatedexchanges. Honourable Members willbe pleased to hear that our automationprogramme is being pressed ahead withdue regard to the human factorsinvolved. Although the exchanges havebeen converted to automatic workingin the last three months no operatorsin the permanent establishment havehad their services terminated. Therehas been very little recruitment to

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operating grades for the last fewyears, in expectation of staff becomingavailable as a result of conversions toauto, so some exchanges have in theinterim had to carry on with ratherfewer operators than they really needed.I am sure Honourable Members willwish me to pay a tribute to the serviceswhich these operators have performed.With the introduction of SubscriberTrunk Dialling we shall no doubt indue course get used to the idea ofbeing completely automatic but Iconfess that many of us will miss thoseGolden Voices.

Sir, the Department of Telecommu-nications continues to provide efficientservice for the rapidly developing andexpanding economy. I shall be dealingwith the development proposal in moredetail when the 1963 DevelopmentEstimates come up before the House.

Sir, I beg to move.

Mr Chairman : The time is 10.15 a. m.and the House will resume.

House resumed.

Mr (.Deputy) Speaker: The sitting issuspended till 2.30 p.m. this afternoon.

Sitting suspended at 10.15 a.m.

Sitting resumed at 2.30 p.m.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

THE SUPPLY BILL, 1963

House immediately resolved itselfinto Committee of Supply.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

SCHEDULE

Debate resumed.

Heads S. 61-S. 65Dato' Mohamed Hanifah bin Haji

Abdul Ghani (Pasir Mas Hulu): TuanPengerusi, saya hendak berchakap ber-kenaan dengan Maintenance of PublicRoads and Bridges saperti yang ter-sebut dalam Sub-head 13. Tuan Penge-rusi, banyak jalan raya di-Pantai Timorperlu di-baiki untok mengelakkan ke-malangan. Kalau Yang BerhormatMenteri dan Ahli2 Yang Berhormatyang lain melawat Pantai Timor,mereka akan menempoh Pahang yang

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mana jalan raya di-situ bengkang-bengkok dan berliku2 dan jalan ka-Trengganu itu sunggoh pun lurustetapi sempit dan tidak bagitu rata.Maka tentu-lah orang yang pergimelawat Pantai Timor merasa leteh danj emu melalui j alan2 raya itu, dankadang2 menyebabkan kemalangan.Tuan Pengerusi, ada satu jalan lepasDungun is-itu di-Merchang. Jalan rayaini lurus dan dekat tepi pantai, tetapibanyak liku2 dan kemalangan banyakberlaku di-tempat itu. Baharu2 ini adasa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat telahmendapat kemalangan, beliau inichedera dan masok hospital. Beliautelah di-bicharakan di-Mahkamahsebab tidak chermat membawa kereta.Saya banyak menerima aduan daripadapemandu kereta baik kereta privatemahu pun teksi yang melalui jalan ituis-itu j clan raya itu bengkang-bengkokdan tidak ada tanda (signal) yangterang. Ini-lah yang menyebabkan ke-malangan itu, terutama di-waktu malambanyak berlaku kemalangan sebabtidak ada tanda yang menunjokkan di-tempat itu ada selekoh. Maka ini-lahperkara yang saya harap pehak YangBerhormat Menteri dapat melawat jalanraya itu supaya dapat di-baiki untokmengelakkan daripada kemalangan,.dan bagitu juga perlu di-adakan tandayang chukup supaya pehak yang mem-bawa kereta, itu dapat menjauhkankemalangan.

Lagi satu, Tuan Pengerusi, perkhid-matan ferry di-Pantai Timor; dan initelah menyebabkan takut dan ngerikapada orange yang membawa keretadi-Pantai Timor pada hari ini di-sebab-kan kemalangan telah berlaku dari-pada perkhidmatan ferry. Baharu2 initelah ada satu kemalangan berlaku di-ferry Kemaman yang telah mengguling-kan dua buah lori dan dua buahkereta kechil dan sa-orang budak telahterchedera dan putus tangan-nya. Ke-malangan ini, Tuan Pengerusi, nampak-nya is-itu orang yang menjag.a ferryitu tidak chermat sa-hinggakan lociyang membawa pasir yang begat di-benarkan naik ferry dan mengguling-kan dua buah kereta kechil. Maka inisaya berharap supaya Yang BerhormatMenteri dapat menyiasat hal inisupaya penjaga ferry itu berchermat

jangan berlaku kemalangan saperti itulagi. Bagitu juga empat lima bulandahulu kemalangan ferry telah berlakudi-Dungun yang menyebabkan sa-buahkereta atau loci yang membawa mi-nyak dan sa-buah kereta kechil telahtenggelam di-sungai Dungun. Makaini-lah yang soya rasa is-lah di-sebab-kan kurang chermat orang yang men-jaga ferry itu. Sebab loci yangmembawa barang2 yang berat naikka-ferry dan memuatkan lagi kereta2yang lain dan menyebabkan-lah ke-malangan yang dahshat itu.

Dan saya berharap saperti cherita2dalam surat2 khabar is-itu Kemente-rian ini sedang berikhtiar hendak mem-bena j ambatan2 di-Pantai Timor dankalau benar-lah cherita itu, saya mengu-chapkan berbanyak2 terima kaseh su-paya orange yang pergi ka-Pantai Timoritu tidak lagi menempoh ferry bahkanmenempoh jambatan2 dan mengelak-kan sa-barang kemalangan dan menge-lakkan sa-barang kesusahan.

Satu lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, sayaulang balek kapada jalan raya is-itujalan raya di-Pahang. Sa-lepas menem-pohi jalan Maran yang lurus dan baikitu, jalan yang membawa kita hampir2ka-Kuantan j alan raya ini sangat-lahberliku2 dan saya harap pehak YangBerhormat Menteri dapat mengikhtiar-kan supaya di-baiki j alan raya itumengelakkan j alan2 yang berliku2 yangmenyebabkan kemalangan. Sa-takatitu-lah sahaja saya hendak berchakapdalam bab ini dan saya perchayapehak Yang Berhormat Menteri kitaakan mengambil berat dalam soal ini,terima kaseh.

Tuan Haji Azahari bin Haji Ibrahim(Kubang Pasu Barat): Tuan Pengerusi,saya hendak berchakap berkenaandengan Savings Bank. Berhubong de-ngan perkara ini saya minta-lah di-banyakkan lagi kereta2 Savings Bankini melawat ka-kawasan2 luar bandar.Dengan kerana kereta2 ini hendakpergi ka-kawasan2 luar bandar sa-umpama di-jajahan yang baharu di-buka di-bawah Ranchangan Pemba-ngunan Luar Bandar antara GunongKrian ka-Perlis melalui kawasan yangramai pendudok2-nya yang lebeh ku-rang dua tiga puloh ribu orang. Pen-dudok2 ini mempunyai wang daripada

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pendapatan bertanam padi dan sa-bagai-nya tetapi mereka itu tidakada peluang hendak menyimpanwang dalam Savings Bank. Kawasanitu luas dan mempunyai banyakpendudok2. Maka sa-buah Post Officepatut sa-kali di-adakan dan juga ke-mudahan2 biasa yang lain tetapi dalampekan ini tidak ada langsong. Kitaharap-lah Kerajaan memberi perhatiantentang memberikan kemudahan iniatau pun memberi peluang membawamasok kereta Savings Bank ini supayakemudahan2 dapat di-perolehi olehpendudok2 dalam kawasan itu.

Yang kedua-nya, Tuan Pengerusi,is-lah berkenaan dengan allowancePostal Ajent. Ada rungutan dari wakil2Postal Ajent yang mana mereka ituberasa tidak puas hati menerimabayaran atau keadaan yang sudah di-berikan tentang allowance mereka itu.Kita nampak Postal Ajent itu memang.di-beri kapada orange dan mereka itumempunyai tanggong-jawab yang samasahaja dengan Postmaster dan sa-bagai-nya. Sunggoh pun kerja2 ini tidakdapat di-bandingkan dengan pekerjaan2Postmaster tetapi kewajipan itu ada-lah terletak kapada sa-orang yangmenjadi wakil Post. Mereka kenadudok di-tempat atau pun di-kedai-nyasalama2-nya daripada pagi sampai-lahpetang sebab hendak menjalankankewajipan mereka menjual setem dansa-bagai-nya. Jadi saya berharap ka-pada Kerajaan supaya menimbangkandan memberikan satu revision kajisa-mula tentang allowance2 yangdi-berikan kapada mereka itu. Danlagi saya berharap sa-bagaimana sayasebutkan tadi is-itu di-kawasan2 luarbandar ini memang-lah postman-nyatidak ada saperti dalam kawasanKubang Pasu Barat, umpama-nya.Beberapa banyak permintaan pen-dudok2 di-situ supaya di-adakan post-man ini dan Kerajaan patut-lahmemberi lebeh banyak lagi Postal2Ajent mi. Kerana dengan ada-nyaPostal Ajent ini dapat-lah postman2yang mana Kerajaan telah tetapkanmereka itu pergi ka-tempat2 itu, mem-bawa surat2 yang bergelimpangan da-lam kawasan itu di-berikan ataudi-serahkan kapada Postal Ajent dandapat postman2 itu menerima surat2

yang di-alamatkan kapada mereka2di-dalam kawasan itu. Kalau tidak,Tuan Pengerusi, postman ini memangkelalaian sadikit sebab mereka itutidak ada kawalan yang tertentu tetapikalau sa-kira-nya ada Postal Ajent inimaka Postal Ajent dapat-lah menerimadan dapat pula pehak Postal Ajentatau pun Postmaster menentukan samaada postman itu pergi di-tempat itumenyerahkan surat2.

Pada masa ini saya sangat-lah susahhati m.elihat keadaan peratoran surat2ini dengan sebab saya sendiri tahubeberapa banyak surat2 di-letakkan di-kedai2 kopi atau pun kedai2 runchityang mana postman melonggokkansurat2 itu dan ada di-antara-nya surat2itu ada hubongan-nya dengan Kerajaan.Kadang2 surat itu tersimpan dalamkedai itu sa-hingga dua tiga bulan danmungkin barangkali surat2 itu mana-kala di-buka oleh prang yang di-alamatkan itu di-dapati surat ituberkehendakkan orang itu pergi ka-pejabat2 kerana urusan yang tertentuatau di-minta orang itu hadhir keranaumpama-nya di-District Office ataupejabat2 lain. Dan juga ada kala-nyasurat2 yang meminta orang itu hadhirka-Post Office untok menerima MoneyOrder atau apa2 pun. Mithal-nyacheque yang di-kirimkan dari KualaLumpur sa-kali pun surat itu telah di-kirimkan tetapi sampai dua bulanbaharu dapat kapada orang yang di-alamatkan itu dan manakala orang itupergi ka-Treasury atau pun ka-pejabatyang di-minta dia hadhir untok me-nerima cheque2 itu, di-dapati chequeitu telah di-hantar balek ka-KualaLumpur. Jadi ini-fah perkara yang di-alami oleh pehak pendudok2 kawasanluar bandar.

Saya harap kira-nya kalau Kerajaandapat adakan Postal Agency makadapat kita kawal sadikit keadaan meng-hantar surat yang di-jalankan olehPostman yang membawa surat2 dalamkawasan luar Bandar.

Yang ketiga Tuan Pengerusi, is-lahberhubong dengan Maintenance ofRoad. mi saya merayu kapada pehakKerajaan memberi perhatian tentangjalan di-antara Jetera pergi ka-jalanKondiang. Sa-lama beberapa bulanyang lepas banyak accident yang telah

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berlaku hingga kemalangan ini mem-bawa maut kapada kanak2 dan jugaorange tua di-situ. Kalau sa-kira-nyadapat Kementerian ini mengambilstatistic tentu-lah dapat di-ketahui be-rapa banyak kemalangan yang berlakudi-antara Jetera pergi ka-Kondiang.Saya dapati perkara ini tentu-lah tidakdapat di-elakkan sebab-nya is-lahjalan sekarang ini sempit yang manatelah di-buat di-zaman penjajah dahulu,dan tidak ada langsong chara hendakmemperluaskan, dan juga "side table"di-kiri kanan jalan itu di-biarkan ba-gitu sahaja dan saya harap-lah Kemen-terian ini akan mengambil perhatianmudah2an di-mana2 juga ada nampakjalan itu sempit dapat di-perluaskansupaya mengelakkan daripada bahaya2yang saya sebutkan tadi.

Kemudian saya suka hendak bereha-kap berhubong dengan talikom yangmana Tuan Pengerusi, talikom ini is-lahsatu perhubongan yang membawa ataupun dapat memberi perolehan kapadaKerajaan. Soal-nya talikom ini di-perluaskan tentu banyak perolehankapada Kerajaan. Jadi, saya harapkalau sa-kira-nya talikom ini di-berikanlagi sambongan wayar dan perhu-bongan dengan kawasan luar Bandar.di-Kubang Pasu banyak orange sanaberkehendakkan talipon dan bagitujuga kedai2 mereka suka hendak me-masokkan talipon masing2. Tetapimalang-nya pada hari ini manakalasatu kedai meminta masok talipon di-dapati is kena membanyar $1,500harga line atau tiang itu sahaja sebab-nya bagitu is-lah kerana dari kawasanini ada line yang keluar pergi ka-Perlis,tidak masok line itu. Kalau hendakmenyambong line yang dekat sa-umpama-nya ada-lah di-sambong tigajurusan yang besar is-itu ChanglihSungai Kolok yang mana ada satu lineberdekatan di-situ. Tetapi tidak dapatdi-sambong kerana hal line kalau sa-kira-nya pehak di-situ ada talipondi-sambong dengan line di-Perlis ituberkehendakkan perbelanjaan yang ba-nyak kerana jauh daripada line yangada di-situ. Tetapi kalau di-adakanline atau pun ada satu fikiran daripadapehak talikom sambongan line diGunong Kondiang di-simpang tiga itutentu-lah line itu lebeh dekat lagi dari-

pada sambongan dengan Perlis. Sayaharap dapat perhatian oleh Kemente-rian ini dan kesenangan2 itu dapat-lahdi-nikmati oleh pendudok2 di-kawasanitu.

Enche' Ilanafi bin Mohd. Yunus(Kulim Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, sayabangun menguchapkan terima kasehkapada Kementerian ini yang telahmengadakan peruntokan perbelanjaanbagi tahun 1963 dan juga Tuan Penge-rusi, saya menguchapkan tahniah danterima kaseh atas kerja2 Kementerianini yang telah menjalankan tugas dalamtahun 1962 yang ada sekarang mi.Tuan Pengerusi, terutama sa-kali di-sini saya suka berchakap is-itu ber-kenaan dengan Jabatan Talikom. TuanPengerusi, dengan kebenaran TuanPengerusi maka tidak-lah terlampaurasa-nya saya berchakap dalam Rumahini is-itu saya menguchapkan terimakaseh kapada Kementerian ini ber-kenaan talikom yang telah di-aleh olehKementerian ini di-Kedah Selatan yangada sekarang mi. Dengan sebab TuanPengerusi, kerana saya berasa chukuppuas hati telah mendapatkan kerja-nyabagitu banyak sa-hingga sekarang iniboleh di-katakan dalam bahagianKedah Selatan maka segala kerja mem-bena pondok2 talipon itu bagitu banyakboleh di-katakan hampir siap dalamtahun 1962 ini. Jadi, Tuan Pengerusi,sa-lain daripada uchapan terima kasehsaya kapada Kementerian ini makasaya suka hendak berchakap is-itu di-dalam perkara Postman. Tuan Penge-rusi, kita telah mendengar sahabatsaya Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Ku-bang Pasu Barat telah mencheritakanbagaimana surat2 yang di-bawa olehPostman itu selalu tidak sampai kapadaorang yang di-alamatkan itu. TuanPengerusi, maka saya rasa dalam halini dapat kita atasi kerana yang sayatahu sa-lama Ranchangan Luar Bandarini di-j alankan maka boleh di-katakansegala cherok dan rantau di-dalamkampong ada jalan2. Jadi, sa-kira-nyapehak Kementerian ini sediakanMotor2 Honda pada tiap2 Postman di-luar bandar sangat-lah bersesuai walaupun ada di-satengah2 pekan di-sedia-kan Motor Honda bagi Postman.Tetapi saya dapati banyak-fah PostOffice di-kawasan Pembangunan Luar

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Bandar yang Postman2 itu bekerjadengan hanya mengayoh basikal sahaja.Maka Tuan Pengerusi, kalau sa-kira-nya di-berikan basikal maka sayaperchaya-lah lingkongan kawasan me-reka itu sa-hari tidak kurang dari 40batu, maka tentu-lah tidak dapatPostman2 ini menyerahkan surat-nyadengan serta-merta kapada alamat2yang sa-benar-nya lebeh2 lagi suratRegister rasa saya tentu-lah terpaksaPostman itu mengayoh basikal 40 batusa-hari. Maka sebab itu saya merayukapada Kementerian ini supaya segalaPostman2 yang bekerja di-luar bandari to di-berikan Motor Honda, supayamereka itu dapat menjalankan kerja2dengan lebeh segera dan dapat mem-berikan kerja2 yang sempurna.

Tuan Pengerusi, lagi satu saya hen-dak berchakap berkenaan Pejabat KerjaRaya. Tuan Pengerusi, di-masa Pem-bangunan Luar Bandar sekarang inimaka patut-lah bagi Pejabat KerjaRaya menambahkan lagi kaki-tanganyang mustahak bagi tiap2 Pejabat KerjaRaya, kerana yang saya katakanbagini, Tuan Pengerusi, di-dalamKedah Selatan is-itu Kulim, banyak-lah kerja2 yang di-buat oleh JabatanKerja Raya ini berhubong denganRanchangan Pembangunan Luar Ban-dar, dan perkara ini tidak dapat di-jalankan dengan sa-berapa segera,kerana apakala di-soul maka di-dapatiyang mereka kekurangan is-lah tech-nical assistant. Jadi, dengan chara yangsa-macham ini, maka saya berharapdan saya merayu-lah kapada Kemen-terian ini, mudah2an dengan apa charasa-kali pun perkara ini dapat di-atorkandengan chara yang baik supaya segalapekerjaan Ranchangan PembangunanLuar Bandar ini jangan-lah hendak-nya terganjak daripada sa-tahun ka-satahun yang mana segala ranchangan2jalan itu akan terbengkalai dan belumdapat di-siapkan, sekian-lah sahaja,terima kaseh.

Enche' Too Joon Hing (TelokAnson): Mr Chairman, Sir, I wouldlike to touch on the subject of per-sonnel such as architects, engineers,surveyors and so forth. Sir, during theprevious year in the King's Speech,His Majesty mentioned that, due to theshortage of engineers, consulting engi-

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neers had been called upon to help inour country's projects. I had previouslybrought to the notice of this Housethat the consulting work on most ofthese projects was given to foreignfirms and that our local engineers werediscouraged by not being given a largeshare of it. In this respect, I would liketo point out that in a young anddeveloping country, we need our ownexperts such as engineers, architectsand surveyors to help develop thecountry and build up the country, Sir,unless work on these Government pro-jects is given to our local engineersand so on, they will be discouragedand I don't see how we can in futuredepend on our own people of course,big projects like the Cameron Highlandsproject are beyond our local people.What I mean, Sir, is that as much aspossible of the small and medium sizeprojects should be given to our localengineers, so that they would beable to gain experience and play theirpart in developing our country. Other-wise, we will have to rely on foreignengineers all the time.

During the debate on the FinanceMinister's speech, I brought to thenotice of the House the question oflanguage qualification which theGovernment insists on before engineersand so on are allowed to join theGovernment Service. We are short ofengineers, and I would like the Minis-ter to consider waiving this conditionin the case of engineers wanting to jointhe Government Service, so that moreof our men will join the service andthereby we will not have to rely somuch on these consulting engineers. Ithink this is one of the most importantthings which we have to consider, inorder to fulfil our development projects.That is all I would like to bring tothe notice of the Minister.

Enche' zulkiflee bin Mohammad(Bachok): Tuan Pengerusi, salah satudaripada tugas yang di-jalankan olehKementerian ini is-lah berhubongdengan Post Office Savings Bank.Saya terlebeh dahulu hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan wang yang di-simpan dalam Post Office SavingsBank. Wang ini ada-lah mempunyaij umlah yang banyak pada mass ini

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saperrti yang di-nyatakan dalamPenyata Kira2 Pejabat Post OfficeSavings Bank, Persekutuan TanahMelayu . Apa yang hendak sayaperkatakan di-sini is -lah berkenaandengan investment bagi wang2 PostOffice Savings Bank . Oleh keranakumpulan wang ini telah lamaberj clan dan kita dapati dalam mukalapan daripada penyata ini bahawakebanyakan daripada penanamanmodal yang di-lakukan oleh kumpulanwang Post Office ini is-lah berkenaandengan security stock di-luar negeriyang mempunyal bermacham2 kadarperolehan dalam tiap2 tahun. Hanyapada waktu yang akhir2 ini sahaja-lahmula-nya Post Office Savings Bankini membelanjakan wang penanamanmodal ini kapada apa yang di-keluar-kan dalam negeri mi.

Saya berpendapat , Tuan Pengerusi,bahawa dalam menjadikan dasarpenanaman modal bagi Post OfficeSavings Bank ini hendak -lah meng-utamakan perusahaan2 dalam negeridan apabila tiba tempoh-nya bagimenarek sa-mula penanaman modaltempatan di-luar negeri itu, makahendak-lah di-gunakan ganti-nyadalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini,dan dengan yang demikian ra`ayatPersekutuan Tanah Melayu yangmengumpulkan wang -nya dalamkumpulan ini akan dapat sama faedah,keuntongan langsong daripada peker-jaan2 dan basil dalam negeri dalamkumpulan wang Post Office SavingsBank , dan oleh kerana orange Melayukita banyak juga yang menyimpanwang dalam Post Office Savings Bankini dan oleh kerana mereka itu tidakdi-benarkan mengambil faedah-nyadaripada simpanan itu, maka ada-lahmenasabah bahawa di-beri bahagianyang tertentu kapada perusahaan yangbaharu daripada orange Melayu sendiri.mi ada-lah sa-suai dengan pemba-ngunan negeri dan dengan keadaanbahawa kita tidak menghantar wangkita ka-luar negeri dan berkuat dalampusat negara kita mi.

Hal ini , saya berharap YangBerhormat Menteri dapat memikirkandan menjalankan -nya bagi kepentingannegeri ini . Tidak-lah chukup di-jawabbahawa penanaman saperti ini tidak

dapat di-lakukan , kerana hendakmenjaga keuntongan dan faedah yangtepat dan kuat, sebab sa-hingga wangE.P.F. sendiri pun telah di-tanamsa-banyak lima million ringgit modal-nya kapada Merlin Hotel , dan inimenunjokkan keperchayaan Kerajaankapada perusahaan yang berjalandalam negeri ini. Saya berharapsupaya perkara ini dapat di-perhatikanoleh Yang Berhormat Menteri. Padatahun dahulu , Tuan Pengerusi, say atelah berchakap tentang perkembanganusaha2 dan seruan2 supaya ra`ayatnegeri ini menyimpan wang lebehbanyak dan dengan yang demikiandapat mententeramkan kedudokankewangan kita yang berpusing2 dalamnegeri mi.

Nampak saya . Tuan Pengerusi,langkah2 bagi membuat poster H anyadi-buat, tetapi satu daripada perkarayang saya perhatikan maseh men j adipegangan bagi perkembangan me-nyimpan wang dalam Post Office ini!a-lah oleh kerana kita berkehendak-kan, kalau penyimpanan itu di-lakukandi-kampong2 dan di -daerah2 yang jauh,tetapi malang -nya Post Office yangjauh itu tidak mempunyal wang yangberpusingan bagi membolehkan wangitu tetap sa-bagai satu tempat simpananwang yang dapat memuaskan orangekampong yang baharu hendak men-chuba menyimpan Wang dalam PostOffice itu. Ta' usah-lah saya berchakaplebeh jauh di-Bachok sahaja, dan sayata' mahu cheritakan hal prang lainisteri saya sendiri yang menyimpanwang di-Post Office Bachok. Padasatu hari dia hendak mengeluarkanwang sa-banyak $ 100. Pergi-lah diaka-Post Office Bachok yang jauh-nyata' berapa ela daripada rumah-nya.Sampai di-sana , maka berkata-lahPostmaster : Boleh -lah saya keluarkanwang ini , tetapi wang -nya ta' chukup,nanti petang ini atau esok , sa-sudahbanyak orang bell setem , boleh-lahsaya keluarkan wang ini. Jauh daripadamarah kapada Postmaster ini, sayaterpaksa ketawa dan terpaksa mem-bawa isteri saya itu ka-Kota Bharuuntok mendapatkan wang sa -banyak$100. Mujor-lah terkena kapada AhliDewan Ra`ayat yang tidak terbantutsemangat perchaya kapada Kerajaan

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kerana perkara kechil yang saperti itu,tetapi kalau-lah kapada orang kam-pong, saya perchaya itu-lah kali yangakhir dia memasokkan wang simpanan-nya ka-dalam Post Office Savings Bank.Maka chuba-lah-saya kata chuba-lahsebab saya tahu kesulitan yang timbuldalam perkara ini di-chari jalansupaya di-Pej abat Post yang j auh2 itudapat di-adakan satu peratoran yangboleh menchepatkan pembayaran yangtidak bagitu banyak kapada orangkampong supaya keperchayaan (confi-dence) kapada Pejabat Pos ini dapatdi-kekalkan.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya patut menye-butkan hal ini lagi di-bandar2, sebabdi-bandar saya nampak ada satuperlumbaan dengan Post Office SavingsBank apabila Chartered Bank telahmengeluarkan satu chara menyimpanwang, sa-kurang2-nya Chartered Bank,Kuala Lumpur dan beberapa tempatlagi dengan Insura.n. Nampak-nyaperlumbaan yang macham ini bukan-lah senang hendak di-tandingi olehKerajaan. Maka Kerajaan terpaksa-lahmenunj okkan efficiency atau kechepa-tan bekerja dan kechergasan yang lebehdan kemudahan yang lebeh. Jika tidakakan pindah-lah wang Savings Bankdalam Kuala Lumpur ini kapadaChartered Bank, dan dengan yangdemikian akan kaya-lah Bank yangbukan hak Tanah Melayu ini, dantinggal-lah Post Office Savings Bankdi-daerah yang tidak ada CharteredBank ini. Tuan Pengerusi, saya tidak-lah hendak menchadangkan supayaKeraj aan membuat insuran sapertiChartered Bank itu, tetapi chari-lahjalan supaya jangan pelanggan kits itulari pula daripada kita.

Tuan Pengerusi, sekarang sayahendak berchakap berkenaan denganDirector-General of Telecommunica-tions. Sebab saya hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan perkara ini is-lahsaya hendak tahu siapa-kah yangbertanggong-jawab berkenaan dengankesilapan yang di-lakukan sa-kurang2-nya terhadap saya sendiri. Pada suatumasa dahulu saya telah menulis suratkapada Director-General of Telecom-munications kata sa-tengah Menteritulis surat dahulu maka saya puntulis-lah surat berkenaan dengan hal

di-Bachok. Bachok mempunyai satualiran line talipon dan ada mempunyaibeberapa talipon dalam bandarBachok. Satu daripada kelemahanperkhidmatan talipon di-Bachok is-lahkita tidak dapat berchakap dari KotaBharu pada bila masa yang kita suka,sebab-nya saya tidak tahu, tetapiapabila saya menulis surat kapadaDirector-General of Telecommunica-tions sa-tahun sa-tengah dahulu, sayamendapat j awapan daripada beliauyang menyaman dan menyegarkanfikiran saya is-itu dalam masa 6 bulanline akan di-tambah tetapi sa-hingga-lah hari ini tidak ada line yang di-tambah. Tiga bulan yang lalu sayatulis lagi surat mengatakan apa khabartentang penambahan line, kata-nyausaha2 sedang di-jalankan. Saya me-nulis surat ini sa-telah mendapat aduandaripada orang di-kawasan saya is-ituapabila dia pergi ka-Pondok Talipon(Telephone Booth) tidak dapat ber-chakap walau pun wang telah di-masokkan. Yang sa-benar-nya, TuanPengerusi, talipon ini berguna kapadatempat yang jauh. Kalau tempat dekattidak payah menggunakan talipon. Jadisaya berharap kapada Yang Berhor-mat Menteri mengadakan sa-kurang2-nya dua line bagi satu tempat itusupaya jangan lebeh banyak tidakdapat berchakap daripada hendakberchakap. Ini-lah perkara kelambatanyang saya nampak di-dalam jabatan mi.

Sa-lain daripada itu berkenaan denganPublic Works. Banyak maintenanceyang di-tetapkan untok jalan2 rayadalam negeri ini, dan oleh keranajabatan ini memakan belanja yangbanyak, maka saya berharap satuperkara is-itu beri-lah keutamaandalam konterek yang mungkin danmenasabah kapada konterektor2 dari-pada orang Melayu. Sebab-nya sayaberhajat kapada hal ini is-lah keranasaya fikirkan di-dalam perdagangandan perusahaan amat-lah berat-nyabagi konterektor orang Melayu inimenandingi orang lain. Maka olehkerana dasar Kerajaan pun sa-bagai-mana yang di-nyatakan beberapa kalidalam Dewan ini hendak menolongorang Melayu, maka hendak-nya kon-terek yang menasabah di-utamakandi-dalam-nya orang Melayu.

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Tuan Pengerusi, sa-orang Ahli YangBerhormat di-sabelah sana telahmenyebutkan berkenaan dengan pos-men. Saya menyokong perkara yangtelah di-sebutkan oleh beliau itutentang kepayahan yang di-hadapioleh ra`ayat kerana posmen terpaksamengirimkan surat-nya kapada oranglain. Hal ini berlaku di-da.lam kawasansaya. Tuan Pengerusi, yang sa-benar-nya, bukan-lah posmen ini hendakmeletakkan surat2 itu di-situ, tetapitidak chukup kaki-tangan di-dalamsa-sabuah Pejabat Pos, mithal-nya,sa-orang untok di-luar dan sa-orangdi-dalam. Pada pandangan saya halini dapat di-ubat kalau posmen di-tambah, mithal-nya di-Bachok. TuanPengerusi, posmen di-Kubang Pasumelonggokkan surat2 itu di-kedai,tetapi di-Bachok surat2 itu di-berikapada Dato' Pengga.wa. Sa-minggusa-kali Dato' Penggawa datangmeshuarat di-Pejabat Jajahan, posmenmeletakkan surat di-tiap2 kawasan itu.Dato' Penggawa itu tidak ada mem-punyai pundit untok menyimpan surat2itu, surat2 itu di-masokkan ka-dalamsaku-nya. Saya tidak menyalahkanposmen dalam hal ini. Oleh itu untokmengubati-nya, sa-bagaimana yangsaya katakan tadi, patut-lah di-adakansatu peratoran is-itu sa-orang posmenuntok dalam bandar dan sa-orangdi-luar bandar, sama ada dia hendaknaik motosikal atau pun basikal ituterpulang kapada Kementerian inimemikirkan-nya.

Enche' Abdul Rauf bin A. Rahman(Krian Laut); Tuan Pengerusi, sayabangun menguchapkan tahniah kapadaKementerian Kerja Raya dan jugakapada kaki2-tangan pejabat Kemen-terian ini yang telah membuat anggaranperbelanjaan untok tahun 1963 yangsaya nampak ada berlebehan padatahun yang sudah. Saya perchaya ang-garan yang lebeh ini dapat-lah Kemen-terian ini menjalankan tugas-nya untokf aedah ra`ayat dalam negeri mi.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi,saya suka berchakap di-muka surat269, Supply Head 62 Postal Services,Item (50). Mengikut apa yang ada ter-tulis di-dalam anggaran perbelanjaanini is-itu kerani2 di-Post Office telah

bertambah 45 orang pada tahun sudah.Pada fikiran saya jawatan ini patut-lahdi-lebehkan lagi kerana kita sediama`alom Ranchangan PembangunanLuar Bandar banyak Post Office yangakan kita buka pada mass yang akandatang.

Yang kedua-nya, Tuan Pengerusi,saya dapat tahu sendiri di-kawasansaya, nampak-nya kerani2 yang bekerjadi-Post Office ini tidak chukup, um-pama-nya di-Parit Buntar. Banyakpekerjaan2 itu di-buat oleh kerani2 di-sana saperti membayar allowanceisteri2 askar; minta ma`af saya sebut-kan, lesen2 anjing, bayaran lampu,bayaran pension kapada orang yangberpension dan juga berkenaan denganbayaran lesen2 Radio. Kesemua-nya ininampak pada saya is-lah di-keluarkanoleh Post Office. Jadi dengan sebabitu saya nampak kaki-tangan yangbekerja di-Post Office itu tidak men-chukupi. Satu daripada-nya saya ber-harap Kementerian ini menambahkanlagi tempat2 yang di-fikirkan patut bagimelebehkan kerani2 yang bekerja di-Post Office. Terutama-nya di-Post OfficeTanjong Piandang. Saya dapat tahuyang bekerja di-Post Office ini chumasa-orang sahaja, dia-lah kerani-nyadan, dia-lah Postmaster dan segala2-nyadia. Di-tempat ini pendudok2-nya tidakkurang empat lima ribu orang sayafikir patut-lah juga Post Office ini di-tambah kerani-nya sa-kurang2-nya satulagi pada masa akan datang.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi,saya suka hendak berchakap berkenaandengan Public Works General Servicesdi-muka surat 279, Sub-head 7-Main-tenance of Buildings. Perkara Main-tenance of Building ini di-anggarkanperbelanjaan-nya untok tahun 1963is-lah $4,700,000. Jadi saya berharap-lah mendapat penerangan daripadaMenteri Yang Berhormat is-itu ber-kenaan dengan membuat rumah2, ada-kah termasok rumah2 pekerja2 burohyang bekerja di-P.W.D. Saya tahu adadi-tempat saya rumah2 yang ada seka-rang sudah 40 tahun barangkali dekathendak roboh dan keadaan rumah itusaya tengok sangat-lah menyedehkanhanya ada satu pintu sahaja di-hadapan-nya, di-belakang-nya tidak

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ada pintu. Kalau terjadi satu2 ha!,kalau terbakar harus payah-lah merekaitu hendak keluar sebab pintu itudi-hadapan sahaja. Jadi kalau bagitusaya harap kapada Kementerian inimengambil perhatian di-atas perkaraini dan jika boleh rumah sa-umpamaitu di-rombak atau di-robohkan dandi-buat baharu untok faedah kesela-matan ahi2 buroh yang bekerja di-dalam Pejabat P.W.D.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Sub-head 13Maintenance of Public Roads andBridges. Mengikut anggaran untok j alanraya dan juga titi ada-lah sa-banyak$13,761,300 berma`ana $200,000 lebehdari tahun sudah. Berkenaan denganperkara ini saya suka menarek per-hatian Yang Berhormat Menteri Kerj aRaya is-itu berkenaan dengan uchapansaya pada tahun sudah bersangkutandengan titi di-pekan Pant Buntarka-Pekan Bandar Bharu, ada-kah padatahun ini pada fikiran Yang Berhor-mat Kementerian ini hendak membuattiti atau pun tidak. Saya selalu sangatdi-minta oleh orange di-dalam ka-wasan saya khas-nya dan juga orangeyang dudok di-sebelah Bandar Bharu,Kedah. Ini-lah saya harap dapat per-hatian daripada Kementerian ini untokmemberi sadikit keterangan supayaapa2 jawapan yang saya dapat di-siniboleh-lah saya bagi tahu kapadaorange yang bertanya kapada sayananti.

Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi,saya suka juga lagi berchakap ber-kenaan dengan titi, barangkali tentuYang Berhormat pernah pergi ka-sebelah utara apakala lepas BaganSerai is-itu lebeh kurang tidak sampaisuku batu ada satu jalan berhadapandengan Kilang Government Rice Mill,Bagan Serai di-situ ada satu titi. Titiitu terlampau merbahaya terutama-nyakapada driver2 motor-car yang tidakpernah lalu di-titi itu, selalu mendapatkemalangan jatoh ka-dalam canal irri-gation dengan motor-car atau motor-cycle, kerana titi ini terlampaubengkok sangat. Jadi pada fikiran sayatiti ini patut-lah di-ubah atau pundi-gantikan baharu is-itu untok kese-lamatan orange yang membawa motor-car atau motorcycle. Perkara titi ini,Tuan Pengerusi, banyak sudah nyawa

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yang hilang. Di-tempat ini juga adaterjadi kemalangan motor-car hingga-kan motor-car itu ranap. Dan sayaharap-lah perkara ini dapat di-perhati-kan oleh Kementerian ini mencharijalan atau menchari ikhtiar untokmembaiki titi itu bagi keselamatanorang lalu lintas di-tempat itu, sekian.

'Tuan Haji Abdullah bin HajiMohd. Salleh (Segamat Utara): TuanPengerusi, saya hendak berchakap di-atas Head 64 Sub-head 13 berkenaandengan membaiki jalan2 dan jugajambatan2. Tuan Pengerusi, daerahSegamat, Johor mengenai j ambatan iniboleh-lah di-katakan pendudok2 di-sana dan orang yang lalu lintas hampirberpuas hati di-atas semua j ambatanlama yang telah di-baiki itu. Terutama-nya bagi daerah bandar Segamat.Sekarang tidak lagi-lah menjadi sebutanorang, kenapa j ambatan sungai Sega-mat di-tengah Bandar itu tidak di-baikitetapi sekarang sedang di-buat danorange di-pekan itu khas-nya meman-dang bernasib baik dan pendudok2di-bandar Segamat telah membuatpujian2 kapada Kementerian yang ber-kenaan yang telah mengambil beratdi-atas kedudokan jambatan itu. Tetapiada satu jambatan yang harus barang-kali tidak di-sedari yang dudok-nyabukan sa-bagai sa-buah jambatan tetapisa-bagai satu saloran ayer yang laludi-jalan raya Pekan Batu 6 di-Segamatsana, harus di-bawah jambatan itumamakai culvert kerana melalukanayer. Mengikut apa yang di-beritahuoleh orange yang dudok di-PekanBatu 6 Segamat sana, kata-nya di-pekan itu bila ada hujan besar sa-parohdaripada pekan itu sudah di-naikiayer saperti ayer bah dan sa-bahagiandaripada kedai2 perniagaan di-sanaberkelam-kabut, menyelamatkan ba-rang2 daripada di-tenggelam oleh ayer.

Sebab-nya menjadi bagini sudah di-perhatikan is-lah ada satu j alan ayeryang lalu di-bawah itu tidak chukupbesar, maka dengan sebab ayer banyak,dan lubang kerana hendak melepas-kan ayer itu melintas sangat kechil,maka itu-lah sebab-nya pekan2 itumenjadi ayer bah bila ada hujan besarmaka pendudok2 di-situ makin-lahberharap kapada Kementerian ber-kenaan dengan mendapat memereksa

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dan elok-lah barangkali, di-perbesarkanatau di-buat betul2 saperti jambatan2yang boleh meluluskan semua ayerhujan yang melalui saloran itu. Sayamenaroh keyakinan kalau di-perbaikidan di-besarkan bukan sahaja pekanitu tidak mengalami ayer bah, tetapiada satu penyakit yang sudah ber-puloh2 to hun pendudok2 di-batu enamitu kerana ada satu perusahaan getahdan satu estate di-pekan itu sudahmengalami bau busok kerana getahdi-situ terlalu sangat berat. Perkara itutelah di-kemukakan dan dapat jawapandaripada pehak kesihatan bau itutidak merbahaya dan tidak boleh mem-buat apa2, tetapi sa-balek-nya kalaulubang ayer yang saya katakan tadi,Tuan Pengerusi, dapat di-perbaikimaka bau2 yang busok kapada pendu-dok2 batu enam itu tadi akan dapatdi-kurangkan. Jadi saya berharap-lahKementerian ini akan dapat memereksadan membetulkan.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar.Utara): Tuan Pengerusi, saya menga-lu2kan peruntokan wang kapada Ke-menterian ini dan saya ada-lahmenguchapkan tahniah kapada Ke-menterian ini yang telah banyakmemberikan sumbangan-nya untokpembangunan negara, terutama padanegeri Johor, bagi pehak ra`ayat memandang Kementerian ini ada-lah satuKementerian yang di-sayangi oleh ra`-ayat. Sebab-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, sayakata bagitu ra`ayat yang pada masadahulu tidak dapat ayer, Kementerianini-lah telah membekalkan ayer, ra`-ayat pada masa dahulu tidak dapatjalan raya, Kementerian ini juga telahmemberi ra`ayat pada masa dahulutidak pandai bertalipon Kementerianini iuga telah memberikan talipon danpandai-lah orange itu bertalipon. Sa-lain daripada itu Kementerian ini jugaada menyimpan wang ra`ayat, yangdapat di-jamin dan di-baiki kehidupanmereka pada masa yang akan datang,menyelamatkan ra'ayat itu daripadamembazir wang-nya.

Ada satu perkara, Tuan Pengerusi,di-dalam Pejabat Post itu is-itu PejabatPost itu menyampaikan wang pem-berian getah sa-mula kapada pekebun2kechil itu, satu kerja yang di-buat olehPejabat Post itu mendatangkan satu

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sungutan daripada pekebun2 kechil itudi-sebabkan sa-telah mereka mendapatwang dan pergi ka-Pejabat Post hendakmengambil wang itu di-jawab pegawaidi-Pejabat Post itu bahawa kita tidakada wang, tunggu-lah empat lima harilagi, manakala sa-telah empat limahari datang pula orang kampong itumeminta wang; jawab-nya lagi wangtidak ada. Jadi hat ini saya berharapbenar-lah sebab kita ini mengambilsambut getah sa-mula, orang ramaimarahkan Pejabat Pos, jadi hal inisaya harapkan Kementerian ini me-ngambil perhatian. Lagi satu perkara,Tuan Pengerusi, yang saya pandangsangat mustahak bukan-lah kena padadiri saya bahkan juga kapada din,Than Pengerusi, sendiri. Saya hendakberhhakap dalam peruntokan jambatandan jalan raya. Jadi apa yang sayanampak, Tuan Pengerusi, sangat mus-tahak jambatan ini di-buat supayadapat di-siapkan sa-boleh2-nya dalamtahun 1963 jambatan Muar dan jam-batan Batu Pahat. Yang menggoyang-kan hati saya, Tuan Pengerusi, sayamendapat khabar angin sama ada betulatau tidak, j ambatan ini tidak akandi-buat, pada hal ra`ayat tahu j ambatanMuar dan Batu Pahat ini akan di-buatmulai tahun 1963. Tuan Pengerusi,saya hendak memberi alasan yangmustahak kedua2 jambatan yang di-buat itu kapada pehak Kerajaan me-ngetahui berapa kesulitan yang di-rasaoleh ra`ayat kedua2 tempat itu.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: on apoint of information. That comes underDevelopment Estimates.

Mr Chairman : Itu ada dalam Deve-lopment. Estimates.

Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad: Kira-nya ada, saya harap-lah jambatan ituakan dapat di-buat juga. Susah-nyatidak boleh di-cheritakan. Sa-lain dari-pada itu berhubong dengan penamba-han rumah, saya berharap-lah jugaYang Berhormat telah pergi ka-Tangkak, saya telah mengatakan satubangunan yang di-katakan oleh AhliYang Berhormat dari Krian Laut tadisudah salah rumah, Kementerian telahmemberi jawapan bahawa is akan me-ngambil ingat. Perhubongan apa yangdi-chakapkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhor-

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mat dari Kulim Utara, says menyo-kong, Tuan Pengerusi, supaya dapatKementerian ini memberikan Postman,Motor Honda, sebab saya tengok apayang telah di-chakapkan itu juga sayatambah lagi susah-nya Postman itutidak terdaya, satu2 hari sampai 20 batumengayoh basikal, kata mereka lutut-nya lumpoh. Dengan berjalan-nya ran-changan2 ini maka dapat-lah perjalanansurat-menyurat ini dapat di-sampaikankapada mereka2 itu dengan baik.

Enche' V. David (Bungsar): MrChairman, Sir, on various occasionsI have raised the question of condi-tions prevailing in the post offices inthe various centres of this country.One who would have seen woulddefinitely agree with me that the healthconditions prevailing at the moment,at least in certain post offices, need tobe deplored and condemned. Some ofthese post offices were built manymany years ago, when the country wassmall in population and when we onlyhad few workers employed and thevolume of work was far below thanwhat it is now, and it would .be mostunfair to allow the same conditions toprevail after the expansion of work inthe post offices and also after condi-tions have changed to a large extent.Especially in the General Post Office inKuala Lumpur, in spite of numerousrenovations that have been made, Ihave been given to understand that thehealth conditions there are deteriorat-ing. If you go into the statistics of per-sons suffering from tuberculosis, youwill find that a large number of personsemployed in the Postal Department,especially postmen who do sorting inthe post offices, have been affected bytuberculosis. I also know that theGeneral Post Office building is in avery bad condition, certain parts of thebuilding is in a collapsing conditionwhere one staff of the Telecommuni-cations Department while doing somewiring job fell as a result of a plankhaving broken, and he died. This isnot a matter of opinion; it is a fact.Therefore, it is only right thatsomething concrete is done to changethe conditions prevailing as it shouldbe realised that the people working inthe General Post Office are human

beings and nothing below than that.When we accept workers as humanbeings they should be given what theyare entitled to.

Coming to the sub-post offices, insome of these offices the workers sufferfrom suffocation because there is noproper ventilation at all. They are socrowded with postal bags and so onand dusty that there is no space at allto move about within these post offices.All these should be borne in mindwhile the estimates for the PostalDepartment is discussed.

The housing accommodation pro-vided to the postal workers is, Iwould say, still in a primitive stage.There has been no improvement tothese houses. The Government has beenadvocating that it is improving thehousing for the workers in this country,but it is yet to be done as far as thepostal workers are concerned. Theconditions offered to the postal workersremain unchanged and, as the previousspeaker said, the distance they travelby cycle needs to be commended andsome adjustments should be made inthe way of providing motor cycles forthese men who travel far distances indelivering letters. The postal service isvery important; it should be efficientand the efficiency should be maintainedin the postal service because then onlythere will be prompt delivery of letters.If any discontentment arises in thepostal department it would affect thepublic to a large extent. I hope theMinistry will bear all these in mindand always try to improve the existingpost offices because most of the sub-offices are in a very deplorable state.

Coming to the TelecommunicationsDepartment, there is not much to sayfor me because many of you in thisHouse would have read in the papersof the threatened strike by Telecom-munications messengers. There isnothing to be laughed at; it needspositive thinking and action taken toavert the strike by providing what theworkers are entitled to. There has beendissatisfaction growing from time totime in the TelecommunicationsDepartment; workers have felt thatthey have not been treated properlyand their welfare has not been looked

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after by the department. They havereached a climax where they have noother alternative to choose except tofollow constitutional means and resortto strike, which is the legitimate rightof the workers in any democraticcountry.

Enche' Tajudin bin Ali (LarutUtara): On a point of order underStanding Order 36 (1). What has strikegot to do with the budget meeting?

Mr Chairman : There is somethingabout workers and I can allow him tospeak a little on a point of explanation.

Enche' Tajudin bin Ali: But theHonourable Member did not introduceany sub-head. There is nothing hereabout strikes.

Enche' V. David: For the informa-tion of the House, I am speaking underTelecommunications. If anybody in thisHouse says that there is no relevancyto the messengers' strike, I am afraidthat the Honourable Member is merelynot interested in what would happento this country in the future. I mustwarn the Government and the countrythat industrial problems of this countryare not so rosy, as I said the other day.I find dark clouds spreading over theskies of Malaya gradually as far asindustrial problems are concerned. TheTelecommunications messengers havealready taken a secret ballot to go onstrike. Once the Telecoms workers goon strike it is going to jeopardisenegotiations and the entire essentialservice of this country will be broughtto a stand still or paralysed. Informa-tion from various centres and variousparts of the country cannot be receivedand exchange of communication willbe brought to a stand still. All this willhave to be borne in mind, and if theGovernment takes the attitude that itwould prevent the Telecoms messengersfrom striking by just making falsepromises I am afraid that they arebeing misguided by senior officers ofthe Telecommunications Department.The Telecommunications messengersare not going to put up with falsepromises. They have heard enough ofit. At the time of independence therewas a call from the Prime Minister of

this country that industrial disputesand problems should be solvedamicably and strikes prevented so thatthere could be a unanimous demandfor the independence of this country.Independence has already beenobtained and now the workers feel thatthey should be given what they areentitled to. There is no point in sayingthat Malaya is a rich country. We allknow that it is a rich country, but it isonly rich for a few privileged class, thehaves; the vast majority of the have-nots of this country are still in thesame plight as they were prior toindependence. So it is justified on thepart of the Minister of Works, Postsand Telecommunications to see that thejust demands of the Telecommunica-tions workers are met and the strikeis averted. Let the Minister not thinkthe messengers are only threateningand that they will not go on strike.

There is an unanimous discontent-ment prevailing among the messengers,and they would definitely stand withtheir demands until they are reasonablymet with. There is no shortcut for thisproblem and for the claims of theTelecommunications workers. They onlyway to remedy the problem is bymaking an offer that is acceptable tothe workers with an open mind, withan unbiased mind and with the thoughtthat the workers of this country arealso citizens of this country and thatthey are not in a position to accept aninferior status in society. Therefore,once again I warn that the growingdiscontentment in the working class inthis country is spreading gradually. Itis not only in one industry. Industryafter industry waves of industrialdisputes are pending and more tocome, because there is a growingdiscontentment generally among theworking-class of this country. TheGovernment has not done enough forthe working class, and it is only properand appropriate for the Government,for the Cabinet, to think .. .. .

Enche' Aziz bin Ishak (MuarDalam): Tuan Pengerusi, on a pointof order S.O. 35 (1) yang menga-takan :

"Sa-saorang ahli yang hendak berchakaphendak-lah bangun di-tempat-nya dan apabila

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di-panggil oleh Pengerusi maka hendak-lahis berdiri mengarahkan uchapan-nya kapadaPengerusi."

Nampak-nya Yang Berhormat itumenghadap ka-tempat lain.

Mr Chairman : Proceed !

Enche' V. David: Thank you, Sir.It is time for the Cabinet to take stockof the approaching dangers in indus-tries and the waves of industrialdisputes which are forthcoming in thiscountry and to find solutions so thattheir demands can be met and problemssettled amicably.

Sir, it has been said by the PrimeMinister on various occasions that thiscountry is a rich country and that itsper capita income is the highest inSouth-East Asia. Then why not theworkers be given the rightful place inthe society? It has not been done yet.If the workers have been given that,then there is no room for thisdiscontentment. Since their demandshave not been met, the discontentmentgrows from time to time, and it hasreached the climax where the demandscannot be met by any shortcut exceptby satisfying the requirements of theworking class in this country.Therefore, Sir, I would appeal to theMinister of Works, Posts and Tele-communications to advise the Cabinetof the approaching consequences whichwould not be pleasant to this countryon the whole. What the workers wantis better housing, better standard ofliving where there is enough to eat.They are not asking, or demanding, formansions to live in, but they want atleast the minimum comfort to be givenin this country they are not aimingfor the maximum. What the workersare demanding is the minimum insociety and let the minimum be givenwith a broader mind and do not takeaway from them what they are entitledto.

Mr Chairman, Sir, I have nothingmuch to add except to call upon theMinister once again to take stock ofthe approaching dangers in this countryand meet the demands of theTelecommunications workers which arejust and reasonable; and I say it is onlyfair that the Government meets themin full.

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Enche ' Tajudin bin Ali: Tuan Penge-rusi, saya bangun menyokong Per-belanjaan Kementerian Kerja Raya,Pos dan Talikom. Beberapa hari yanglalu kita mendengar uchapan YangBerhormat dari Bungsar yang menga-takan dia hendak menjadi jagohpekerja dalam Malaya.

Enche' V. David : I am sorry, Sir. Idid not say that I am the champion ofthe workers. I have always felt that Iam a humble servant of the working-class.

Enche' Tajudin bin Ali : Saya sangatdukachita dan juga orang dalamnegeri ini, Tuan Pengerusi, apabilakita mendengar kesusahan di-Brunei,di-India dan bermacham2 perkara lagitimbul dengan sa-rentak dalam Perse-kutuan Tanah Melayu. Kapadapenganjor2 dan orange yang ta`at setiakapada Raja negeri ini, ini-lah masa-nya kita mesti perhatikan perkara yangdi-perbuat oleh sa-saorang itu. Sayafaham dan saya tahu mogok timbuldengan chepat-nya dalam negeri mi.

Enche' V. David : Mr Chairman,Sir, on a point of order S.O. 36 (1)which says :

"A member shall confine his observationsto the subject under discussion and may notintroduce matters irrelevant thereto."

Sir, here the loyalty and disloyalty tothis nation does not arises.

Mr Chairman: He is relevant.Please proceed.

Enche' Tajudin bin Ali: Terimakaseh, Tuan Pengerusi. Apa yang kitabuat dalam negeri ini, Tuan Pengerusi,kita buat yang terbaik sa-kali dalamdunia, kita buat Ranchangan LuarBandar, jalan raya semua-nya yangterbaik sa-kali dalam dunia.

Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaan dengankeadaan pekerja dalam negeri kita inisa-lepas merdeka ini saya sangatbangga, sebab dari sa-tahun ka-satahuntelah bertambah baik. Tuan Pengerusi,kalau kita perhatikan pendapatanorang kampong sa-bulan $30.00-$40.00 dan bandingkan-lah pendapatanmereka itu dengan kaki-tangan Kera-jaan. Kita ada Pejabat Buroh yangmenengok dan memelihara kedudokanburoh dalam negeri ini. Apa yang kita

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fikir tidak peas hati kita bolehkemukakan kapada Pejabat Buroh dandi-situ kita boleh berunding danbertolak ansor untok kebaikan negerimi. Tuan Pengerusi, di-sini saya hendakchakap terus terang di-dalam suasanayang bergelora ini is-itu sa-lepas kitabertolak ansor jika mereka tidak mahumengikut, ini-lah sahaja yang sayahendak katakan : Pada tiap2 tahunberibu budak2 keluar daripada seko-lah kalau 100 orang mogok, 1,000akan masok dan kalau 10,000 orangmogok, 100,000 akan masok. Ini-lahsahaja perchakapan saya, Tuan Penge-rusi. Terima kaseh.

Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah^mud (Temerloh): Tuan Pengerusi,saya hendak berchakap sadikit sahajadalam Kementerian Kerja Raya, Posdan Talikom. Saya hendak berchakapberkenaan dengan chara Kementerianini memberi pekerjaan konterek. Yangsa-benar-nya, boleh di-katakan tiap2tahun saya berchakap atas perkara mi.Pada tahun yang pertama saya me-ngadu, pada tahun yang kedua sayamerayu dan pada tahun ini saya mintasatu ketetapan daripada Kementerianini is-itu apa-kah chara yang telah di-buat untok hendak menolong orangMelayu berkenaan dengan konterekdalam kerja raya. Saya telah berun-ding dengan Pejabat Kerja Raya. Sayadi-beritahu mereka tidak dapat satuarahan yang tetap daripada Kemen-terian bagaimana chara hendak di-berikapada orang Melayu. Jadi konterektororang Melayu sama dengan orang lain,kalau nasib balk mereka dapat. Charaini ada-lah tidak sama dengan dasarkita hendak menolong anak watannegeri ini mengambil bahagian bersamadengan orang lain dalam pekerj aankonterek mi. Oleh itu, saya harap di-buat satu peratoran supaya tiap2Pejabat Kerja Raya Negeri di-beripanduan dan arahan menolong orangMelayu dalam bahagian konterek. Saysberchakap ini is-lah berkenaan denganhal dalam negeri Pahang. Saya telahdi-minta menyampaikan kapada Dewanini tentang tidak puas hati merekaberkenaan dengan konterek mi.

Saya perhatikan di-negeri Pahangsemua pekerjaan membuat jalan2 itudi-bagikan. kapada satu kompani is-itu

Central Lorry Service ibu pejabat-nyadi-Kuala Lumpur. Jadi saya perchayalain orang tidak boleh buat kerja2 itumelainkan kompani itu sahaja. Jadi inisaya minta-lah kapada Kementerianini membuat peratoran supaya bolehmenyenangkan hati pemborong2 Me-layu dan juga menyenangkan pegawai2dalam kerja raya ini apa-kah charahendak memberi konterek2 kapadaorang ramai. Yang molek saya rasasatu arahan dapat di-berikan apa-kahchara yang baik sebab sunggoh punpada tahun dahulu saya ada berchakapdalam hal Kementerian Commerceis-itu kita takuti berlaku perniagaanAli Baba dan sa-bagai-nya. Jadi apa-kah chara yang kita dapat mengelakkanperniagaan Ali Baba ini is-itu denganchara memberi kerj a ini kapada shari-kat2 yang berdaf tar dengan Keraj aandan ada modal-nya. Jadi saya rasatentu-lah ini akan menyenangkan pem-borong2 Melayu terutama sa-kali di-negeri saya.

Yang kedua, saya minta kapadaMenteri ini mengambil berat di-atassatu perkara yang saya rasa telahmasok tahun yang ketiga saya bercha-kap berkenaan dengan bekalan taliayer di-Temerloh. Saya di-minta lagioleh pengundi2 di-tempat saya supayadi-chepatkan kerana musim kemaraukasehan saya tengokkan terutamaorange di-daerah new villages di-kampong2 baharu terpaksa mengambilayer sungai yang jauh dan tidak bersehitu. Saya minta juga pada tahun 1963ini dapat bekalan tali ayer di-daerahMentakab yang sangat2 susah padamasa mi.

Berjangkit saya kapada Postal Ser-vice. Saya menguchapkan terima kasehkapada Menteri ini kerana permintaan22saya saperti Postal Service di-sungaipenoh-lah sa-bagaimana kehendak2saya dahulu di-penohi oleh Kemen-terian ini dan saya bagi pehakpengundi2 di-kawasan saya menguchap-kan terima kaseh. Chuma ada PostalAjent is-itu di-Kampong Paya Pasiryang belum dapat di-selesaikan olehpejabat ini dan saya harap juga dapatdi-selesaikan.

Satu lagi, Tuan Pengerusi, berkenaandengan Mobile Post Office. Di-daerah

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Temerloh jalan2 raya yang telah banyakdi-buka dan basil dari kerj a baikEngineer membuat chepat dan elok.Saya dapati Mobile Post Office dapatmemberikan khidmat-nya di-jalan2 rayasaperti jalan di-Temerloh K. Krau,Kerdau, Songsang dan Mobile PostOffice ini ada-lah satu perkhidmatanyang besar kapada orang ramai untokmereka dapat menyimpan duit dansa-bagai-nya.

Penyudah-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, sayahendak berchakap berkenaan denganuchapan yang di-bawa oleh Ahli YangBenccrmat dari Bungsar. Saya berasahairan Ahli Yang Berhormat ini sukahendak memechahkan ketenteramankeamanan buroh2 di-negeri mi. Diaselalu mengancham dan kata-nya bu-roh2 ini tidak di-pedulikan tentangkesihatan dan segala2-nya. Kalau kitapandang atau bandingkan buroh2 kitadi-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu inidengan buroh2 di-sekeliling negeri kita,kita tahu-lah buroh2 dalam negeri kitaini mendapat pendapatan yang lebehsa-kali. Umpama-nya di-Phillipinesmereka dapat gaji satu Pesos sa-tengahis-itu lebeh kurang $1.75 duit kitadi-sini. Di-Hongkong $2.35 dan di-Siam lebeh kurang $2.35 duit kita padasa-hari. Jadi bagaimana-kah chara di-katakan yang mereka2 ini atau buroh2di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini Kera-jaan memandang mereka sa-bagaisampah atau pun mereka tidak berperikemanusiaan. Saya rasa mereka2 inichuba pada masa ini membangkitkanperasaan tidak puas hati terhadapburoh2 negeri ini is-lah dengan tujuantidak lain dan tidak bukan is-lah hen-dak menggagalkan segala ranchangan2Kerajaan is-itu hendak menjatohkanekonomi negeri ini. Kerana Kerajaansekarang sedang mengumpulkan tenaga-nya membuat atau meninggikan tarafekonomi orange di-luar bandar. Keranadi-luar bandar kita perhatikan penda-patan orange itu kalau di-banding-kan dengan pendapatan buroh2 inimaka orange di-luar Bandar-lah lebehmenderita. Jadi Ahli Yang Berhormatini nampak-nya sengaja hendak mero-sakkan segala ranchangan2 Keraj aan,hendak merosakkan ekonomi negeriini dan hendak merosakkan ranchanganMalaysia. Jadi kalau negeri ini di-

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ancham oleh pemogokan machammana negeri2 lain hendak masokMalaysia, ini-lah yang di-chuba olehAhli Yang Berhormat dari Bungsarsekarang ini terhadap ranchanganKerajaan untok membaiki selurohumat negeri mi.

Lagi satu, Tuan Pengerusi, dalamuchapan dia tadi dia ada mengatakanis-itu buroh2 akan terancham. Jadi sayaperchaya tentu-lah ada ranchangan2yang di-buat oleh mereka ini untokmengakibatkan perkara yang tidakbaik bagi negeri mi. Jadi saya harapkapada Kerajaan supaya mengambiltindakan yang tegas terutama sa-kalikapada ahli2 politik yang ada me-ngambil bahagian dalam Trade Unionhendak-lah di-keluarkan mereka itu.Saya perchaya ahli2 yang mengambilbahagian dalam Trade Union is-lahtujuan-nya bukan hendak membaikiburoh2 tetapi tujuan-nya hendak meng-ancham negeri ini dan berhaj at padatahun 1964 mereka boleh memerentahnegeri mi. Saya minta kapada Keraj aanbertindak tegas terhadap perkara initerutama kapada Yang Berhormat dariBungsar kerana saya tahu dia mengam-bil bahagian tegas dalam Trade Union.Jadi patut-lah kita mengambil satulangkah supaya j angan ada lagi per-kara mi.

Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Chair-man, Sir, I would like to reply to thequestions raised by the HonourableMember for Pasir Mas. Most of themrelate to the Development Estimates,because he has mentioned bridges,roads and other things. I wish to say tohim that when I come to the Develop-ment Estimates I will have a lot to sayabout the bridges which we are goingto build in the East Coast, the replace-ment bridges that we are going to build,in connection with ferries that we willdo without, improvement to roads thatwill be carried out, roads runningonwards to Kuantan and from Kuan-tan right up to the north. He mentionedthe ferry at Kemaman and at otherplaces. As he would have observed onhis way out that work is alreadystarting on the bridge at Kemaman,and in a couple of years the whole areawill be completely transformed thatI assure the House.

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The Honourable Member for Ku-bang Pasu Barat mentioned the needfor increase in the number of mobilepost offices. I am glad of the urge toincrease savings bank deposits. I amglad that he had said it, but he will beinterested to know that we have atpresent 42 such units nine introducedin 1962 and many more will beintroduced in the coming year.

With regard to wakil pas, a numberof Honourable Members have men-tioned that the fees are inadequate. Wehave, in fact, a sliding scale of fees,and fees are paid commensurate withthe amount of letters and trafficinvolved. With regard to delays inletters, I will have this matter lookedinto.

There has also been mention of theroad from Jitra to Kodiang. I will havethis looked into along with the sugges-tion for improvements to telecommuni-cation facilities there.

I would like to thank the HonourableMember for Kulim for the bouquet hehanded over to the Departments withinthe Ministry, and I wish to assure himas well as other Members, who havebrought forth that particular point, thatmotor-cycles to rural postmen are beingintroduced. It is a slow process,because we cannot get all the moneywe need immediately. We have got adefinite programme for increasing thenumber of motor-cycles to be used bypostmen on rural and long distanceduty.

I also agree with him that we needmore officers, but where do we get themoney to employ all the officers weneed? The same problem existsthroughout every Government Depart-ment, and much as every Departmentwishes, to increase its staff, it has to goaccording to the money allocated to it.

The Honourable Member for TelokAnson raised the question of employing.local consulting engineers. We are, infact, employing as many local engineersas we can. The majority of consulta-tion work is really given to local con-sulting engineers. If he means on theother hand Malayan engineers asopposed to local engineers, I wouldwish to assure him that to those whocome and get registered we try to give

work commensurate with their abilityto carry out the work.

The Member for Bachok mentionedthe Post Office Savings Bank and theinvestment of money of the Rural PostOffice Savings Banks. I would wish tosay that it is the present policy toinvest savings bank funds in FederationGovernment stocks. Overseas invest-ments are now not done. Previousoverseas investments cannot be realisedwithout loss of capital. However, asthey mature, the proceeds are re-invested locally in Federation Govern-ment stocks. All Post Offices arerequired to maintain sufficient funds tomeet payments to the public, and at asmall Post Office like Bachok theamount held is necessarily small. It ispossible that on that particular occa-sion mentioned by the HonourableMember, an unexpected demand wasmade on the Bachok Past Office byunforeseen and unexpected withdrawalsof money. In any case, the SavingsBank is making every effort to meetthe inconvenience of depositors.

With regard to' his note on the tele-phone line and the delays betweenBachok and Kota Bharu telephoneconnections, I will have this matterpersonally looked into.

The Member for Krian Laut hasalso mentioned the shortage of postalclerks, that quarters are bad, thatquarters which are in a bad state ofrepair have got to' be improved. Wehave a programme for the replacementof bad quarters. which have to be con-demned and we are allocating yearlya fairly substantial sum for the replace-ment of these bad quarters which areto be condemned after inspection. Iassure the Honourable Member that Iwill have these particular items in hisown area looked into. As for the bridgebetween Pant Buntar and BandarBahru, this matter is under investiga-tion and I cannot tell him right nowwhen we are going to build it.

I am very grateful to the Memberfor Segamat Utara for the congratula-tions he has extended to us for thebuilding of the bridge at Segamat. Hewill also be interested to know that weare keen on correcting the highly

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tortuous road, north and south ofSegamat. With regard to the culvertoff Batu Anam, I will have thisinvestigated.

I am very grateful to the Memberfor Muar Utara for what he has saidthat the various Departments of theMinistry of Works are Departmentswhich the people love. I am verygrateful for what he has said. Indeedthe various Departments of thisMinistry try to do what they can forthe public. He again brought up thequestion of there being, no money inPost Offices. As I mentioned earlierto the other Members, I will have thismatter looked into.

The Member for Bungsar, whocomes when he wants and goes withoutwaiting for an answer it is becomingquite a disease with him came andsaid a few things, and charged otherMembers of irrelevancies when he him-self was mostly irrelevant. However,I believe that is the freedom that hegrants to himself but does not grant toothers. He has mentioned that theconditions in Post Offices are bad, andthen corrected by saying that at leastcertain Post Offices are bad. I do notsay that all Post Offices are in the bestof conditions, but anyone who hasobserved our Development Estimateswould have noted that we have a verysizeable rebuilding and renovation pro-gramme for Post Offices and this isbeing done every year. As for hischarge that every employee or most ofthe employees in the General PostOffice are having tuberculosis, I do notknow where he got this information.The Postal Services have a very goodJoint Consultative Committee or, rather,their own Whitley Council and theyhave very good understanding amongthe supervisory staff and the workers,and I am sure they can solve theproblem by themselves. And, of course,he mentioned telegraph messengers. Itis not for me to comment upon thatbecause it is a matter relating verymuch to the service side of the Govern-ment, but my information is that it isvery much under negotiation.

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water supply to Temerloh . If he hadbothered to look into the DevelopmentEstimates he would have seen, writtenlarge and clearly , the word "Temerloh",and he would have known thatTemerloh is very much on the schemefor the provision of water supply. Withregard to his question as to what stepshave been taken for helping Malaycontractors , I would wish to assure himthat I personally would like to help asmuch as I can the coming into serviceof Malay contractors . I welcome himto my office on any day he likes tocome and sit down and discuss matterswith the Director of Public Works andmyself and to suggest , if he has anysuggestions to make, ways and meansof how to help and strengthen thehands of the Malay contractors in thework that they are undertaking for thePublic Works Department . That is all,Sir. (Applause).

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $76,928,402 for Heads S.61 to S. 65 ordered to stand part ofthe Schedule.

Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to standpart of the Bill.

Bill reported without amendment :read the third time and passed.(Applause).

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: The sittingis suspended for 15 minutes.

Sitting suspended at 4.20 p.m.

Sitting resumed at 4.40 p.m.

MOTION

THE DEVELOPMENTESTIMATES, 1963

House immediately resolved itselfinto a Committee of the whole House.

Development Estimates, 1963, consi -dered in Committee.

(Mr Deputy Speaker in the Chair)

Head 100

Mr Chairman: I propose that theexpenditure shown under Head 100 ofthe Development Estimates for the year1963 be approved.

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The Assistant Minister of Com-merce and Industry (Tuan HajiAbdul Khalid bin Awang Osman): MrChairman, Sir, Honourable Memberswill recollect that a sum of $1,000,000under the Second Five-Year Plan wasearmarked for the construction,improvement and repl aceineni of Courthouses. I am sure you will agree thatto enable the Ministry of Justice toprovide the country, especially in largetowns such as Kuala Lumpur and Ipoh,with adequate subordinate Courts tomeet the demand for them, this sum isinsufficient, and the Honourable theMinister of Justice is hoping that morefunds will turn up in the 1966/70Plan to fulfil the programme envisaged.

Under Head 100 a provision of$570,149 is sought for the constructionof new Court houses at Kota Bharu,Kuala Trengganu, Kiang and KualaSelangor, which are either underconstruction or due to be constructedin the course of 1963. These new Courthouses when completed will replace theexisting Court houses which are too oldand no longer suitable.

I am glad to say that with regardto the Court house in Kuala Selangor,a site has now been acquired. Thework on the design is under way andtenders will be invited shortly. TheCourt house is expected to be com-pleted before the end of 1963.

The site for the Court house at KotaBharu has already been acquired, butthe delay in construction is due tomodification of the original design inorder to keep the total cost within thevoted provision. The sum appearing inthe estimate is the cost of the prelimi-nary work to be undertaken in 1963.

The site for the Court house at KualaTrengganu has also been acquired andthe work on the design is in progress.

Regarding the Court house at Kiang,the project was unavoidably delayedowing to the difficulty in obtaining asite from the State Government.

Enche' Mohamed Asri bin HajiMuda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Pengerusi,di-dalam .Kepala 100 ini saperti telahdi-terangkan oleh Yang BerhormatMenteri Muda tadi ia-itu-lah ada

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peruntokan sa-banyak $370,149 bagiproject untok membangunkan bangu-nan Mahkamah di-Kota Bharu. Sa-benar-nya, Tuan Pengerusi, ranchanganhendak mendirikan bangunan Mahka-mah ini bukan-lah perkara baharu,perkara ini kalau tidak salah ingatansaya telah pun di-bangkitkan semenjaktahun 1959, sa-hingga sekarang inisudah tiga tahun lebeh ranchangan itutinggal ranchangan sah aj a. Sayakhuatir kalau2 project yang telahdi-untokkan sa-banyak $370,149 bagimembena bangunan Mahkamah di-Kota Bharu itu pada tahun 1963 akantinggal terbengkalai saperti tahun2 yanglalu. Jadi ini saya harap-lah mudahan2peruntokan wang ini dapat di-laksana-kan dengan wajar-nya bagi tahun 1963ini. Sebab kedudokan Mahkamah ataubangunan di-Kota Bharu sekarang iniis-lah dudok-nya di-dalam kawasanBalai Polis Kota Bharu dan hal itukalau tidak di-segerakan maka keadaanitu saya rasa tidak-lah manis padapandangan mata kita kerana bangunanyang ada sekarang pun tidak-lahmunasabah sa-bagai bangunan Mahka-mah di-bandar Kota Bharu sendiri.Mudahan2 saya berharap Kementerianini akan melaksanakan dengan sung-goh peruntokan ini bagi tahun 1963dan kita berharap pada akhir tahun1963 ini Kota Bharu akan mempunyaisa-buah bangunan Mahkamah yangtertentu dan munasabah denganbandar-nya.

Enche' K. Karam Singh (Daman-sara) : Mr Chairman, Sir, while weappreciate the gesture behind theprovision of this amount of money fornew court houses and for renovatingold court houses, we feel that whatshould be done by this Ministry shouldbe more than a gesture. Sir, KualaLumpur is our Capital, and I thinkthat more attention should be paid tothe court houses in Kuala Lumpur.As far as we can see, provision is notshown in these Estimates for KualaLumpur.

Mr Chairman, Sir, if you go to theMagistrates' Courts in Kuala Lumpuron any day, you will get the impressionof a cinema booking office. The crowdis so much that you have to crossover other people to get into the court

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houses not just find your waythrough them, but over them, and somuch so that it will only bring disreputeto our judicial system ; and it willclearly show to the public and theothers, who come from outside, thatthe number of court houses andmagistrates are not commensurate withthe volume of work in our courts. So,Sir, although other parts of the countrydeserve urgent attention, still theGovernment must start with the Capitaland provide more court houses andmagistrates for Kuala Lumpur.

Mr Chairman, Sir, with your permis-sion, I would like to touch on thelanguage used in the Magistrates'courts ......

Mr Chairman: That is irrelevant.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Thankyou, Sir.

Tuan Haji Abdul Khalid binAwang Osman: Tuan Pengerusi, ber-kenaan tegoran daripada Ahli YangBerhormat dari Pasir Puteh, sayaingat perkara itu telah pun di-sebutkandalam uchapan saya pada mula2-nyatadi ; walau bagaimana pun Kemen-terian Kehakiman akan berikhtiardengan sa-daya upaya untok menyem-purnakan kehendak beliau itu.

In reply to the Honourable Memberfor Damansara, I wish to draw hisattention to the fact that improvementsto the Courts in Kuala Lumpur arebeing carried out by the Public WorksDepartment under Minor Works.Therefore, provisions for such repairsare not put down in the DevelopmentEstimates. For his information, therewill be two additional Courts next year.

In regard to the Supreme Court inKuala Lumpur, I am made to under-stand that all the rooms are air-conditioned and the need is adequatelymet. The Supreme Court will berenovated in 1963 under Minor Workstoo. I hope that as a lawyer he will behappy to be in those Courts.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, on a point of clarification, isthere any move to air-condition theMagistrates' courts too?

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move, but I hope he can tolerate itbeing a wakil ra`ayat.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $570,149 for Head 100agreed to stand part of the DevelopmentEstimates, 1963.

Heads 101 and 102

Mr Chairman : I propose that theexpenditure shown under Head 101 ofthe Development Estimates for theyear 1963 be approved.

The Minister of Finance (Enche'Tan Siew Sin): Mr Chairman, Sir,with your permission I would like totake Heads 101 and 102 together.

HEAD 101 PRIME MINISTER

Sub-head 1: Government Contribu-tion to National Masque $1.5 million--A total provision of $2 million is shownin the Development Estimates repre-senting the Federal Government'scontribution towards the cost of buildingthe National Mosque. HonourableMembers will recall that when consi-dering the Supplementary DevelopmentEstimates for this year last June, theHouse approved a sum of $500,000.The House is now asked to approvethe balance of $1.5 million for nextyear. The Honourable the PrimeMinister, in reply to an earlier questionin this House, stated that tenders forthe construction of the Mosque havebeen received. The lowest tender offeredhas since been accepted and work hasstarted on this project. It is expectedthat the building will be completed intwo years' time.

Sub-head 3: Staff Trainir g Centre$278,014 Honourable Members willrecall that at the time of presenting theSupplementary Development Estimatesto the House last June, it was informedthat although the cost of the mainbuildings of the Staff Training Centrewould be met from a generous donationof $510,000 from the Government ofNew Zealand, the Government intendedto meet the cost of certain ancillaryitems like servants' quarters, furnitureand fittings, perimeter fencing, androads and paths. The total estimatedcost of the project is $917,600. TheHouse has approved a total sum of

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$639,586 for 1961 and 1962 . The Houseis, therefore , now asked to approve thebalance of $278,014 in order to completethe project . It is expected that theCentre will be completed by Marchnext year.

Sub-head 5 : National Museum$550,013 This sum of $550,013 ismerely a revote from the unspentbalance of the provision for the years1961 and 1962 . Honourable Memberstravelling along Damansara Road willhave noticed that the building is near-ing completion. It is in fact expected tobe completed by February next year.Concurrently with the constructionwork , the preparation of ceremonialstructures , tableaux and diorama fordisplay in the two main galleries isproceeding apace, so that they can beput in place as soon as the galleriesare completed.

Sub-head 8 : Economic PlanningOrganisation $14,500 This sum of$14,500 is again a revote of the unspentbalance in the provision for this project.As Honourable Members will recall,the provision is for furniture, equipmentand research facilities of the EconomicPlanning Organisation in the PrimeMinister 's Department.

Sub-head 9 : Government Contribu-tion to National Monument $200,000Honourable Members will recall thatwhen considering the DevelopmentEstimates for this year the Houseapproved a provision of $200,000 beingthe Government's contribution towardsthe cost of the bronze sculpture of theNational Monument . This sum, how-ever , has not been spent this year andis required to be revoted in 1963 as allpayments made this year have beenadvanced by the Treasury againstcontributions made by members of thepublic.

Sub-head 10: Shipment of CapitalEquipment under Colombo Plan$600,000 Honourable Members willrecall that the House last June approveda provision of $700,000 to cover freightcharges on capital equipment receivedfrom Canada in the years 1961 and1962. The House is now asked toapprove a provision of $600 ,000 fornext year for a similar purpose.

HEAD 102 STATISTICS

Sub-head 3: Expansion of StatisticsDepartment $461,700 This project, asHonourable Members will recall, is acontinuation project carried over from1961. The sum of $461,700 required isfor the purpose of purchasing equip-ment like tabulators , calculatingmachines, and so on.

Enche' Liu Yoong Peng (Rawang):Mr Chairman, Sir, I wish to speakunder Head 101, Sub-head 5, NationalMuseum. Sir, I see that the Governmentis allocating a sum of $550,013 for theNational Museum and in order that themoney allotted can be better spent, Ithink that this amount of money shouldnot just cover for the building and someother ancillary things mentioned by theMinister of Finance but that the fundsshould also be able to cover some ofthe things that can be put into theMuseum for the development of theNational Museum itself. Also, I thinkthat the Government can save a lot ofmoney if instead of, as the PrimeMinister mentioned the other day,allowing the officer-in-charge ofantiques to wait for people to contri-bute those things to the Museum, itwould be better if the officer would takean active part to go out and collectthese things for the Museum. Forexample, when the officer finds thatthere is a very interesting antique likethe statute of Sir Frank Swettenham infront of the State Secretariat he shouldtake the trouble to approach theauthority concerned to get the statuteinto the Museum. If he is active enoughto carry out a survey in Malaya, I amsure he will get a lot of things into theMuseum with a comparatively smallsum of money spent. This would enrichthe Museum tremendously.

Now I come to Head 101, Sub-head8, Economic Planning Organisation.The Finance Minister pointed out justnow that the sum of $14,500 given inthe estimates is the sum left over fromlast year, or as he put it the unspentbalance from last year; but we can seethat this $14,500 is the smallest amountof money spent for any Head. Othersare running into a few hundredthousands but this one is only $14,500

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and for the Government to spend toosmall an amount on the EconomicPlanning Organisation is not saying alot on those who are concerned withthe economy of our country. Only theother day the Deputy Prime Ministerpointed out that the F.L.D.A. schemesare not the concern of the EconomicPlanning Unit , and then some Ministersstated that if they want they can seekthe advice of the Economic PlanningUnit . So from these utterances we feelthat the Economic Planning Organisa-tion has practically very little to do andfor this organisation, which is putunder the Prime Minister, to have verylittle in the economic planning of ournation is a very bad sign indeed. Itshows lack of centralised planning andlack of direction from the centre andeach Ministry is acting like a horsegoing its own way and pulling towardsits own direction . I do not know whatit would lead the country into . I thinkthe Economic Planning Organisationshould be the organisation responsiblefor the overall planning of the economyof the country . It should not allow ruraldevelopment to just go and concernitself with building some roads andbridges without taking into considera-tion how many people are going to bebenefited by the spending of millionsof dollars on these roads and bridges,and without considering the economicreturns the country can get from thosespendings . It should also not allow theMinistry of Commerce and Industry tobe used by foreign capitalists (Laughter)as an organ whereby they can just makeour country into outposts for theseforeign enterprises . So, as a result, theMinistry of Commerce and Industry isdirecting the economy of this countryas a subordinate system of the foreigncapitalist system . And the RuralDevelopment Ministry is just takingover some of the work of the PublicWorks Department which at any ratehave to build some roads and bridges.Then the Ministry of Agriculture andCo-operatives has been experimentinghow to plant coconuts and until nowthey have not decided which is the bestsuited seed for coconut planting inMalaya . So this is haphazard, un-centralised planning of each Ministrygoing in its own direction . The result

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is the waste of a lot of money andefforts and it is a shame for us to seetoday that for the next year only$14,500 is set aside for this EconomicPlanning Organisation; the men in thisorganisation is just sitting and hopingthat one day the Minister will comealong and say, "Well, can you help usin some minor thing?" I don't thinkthat this should be the sort of workcarried out in this organisation.

Dato ' Mohamed Hanifah bin HajiAbdul Ghani: Tuan Pengerusi, sayasuka hendak berchakap atas Head 101,Sub-head 8-Economics Planning Orga-nisation. Saya berasa ta' puas hatidengan Economic Planning Organisa-tion yang telah berjalan dalam negerikita pada hari ini, kerana sunggoh punada peruntokan wang-nya, tetapi belum-lah merupakan satu ranchangan yangdapat membena ekonomi bagi orangekampong. Saya perchaya, EconomicPlanning Organisation yang di-bawahJabatan Perdana Menteri ini tentu-lahPerdana Menteri akan mengambilbahagian yang penting dan bersunggoh2bagi meranchangkan ekonomi orangekampong. Pada hari ini tidak kurangdaripada 50,000 orang yang telah men-daftar di-Labour Exchange, keranamenchari kerja dan sa-kira-nya pehakKerajaan menchari dan menyiasat,maka akan di-dapati banyak bilanganpemuda2 terutama sa-kali pemuda2yang baharu lepas dari sekolah yangtidak dapat melanjutkan pelajaran-nyadan menganggor sahaj a di-kampong2.Maka saya berharap supaya wangperuntokan ini dapat-fah di-gunakanoleh Yang Berhormat Perdana Menterikita supaya ikhtiar2 yang benar2 danbersunggoh2 mengenai ranchangan bagiorange kampong itu supaya dapatmengelakkan penganggoran yang adadalam negeri kita pada hari mi.Sunggoh pun kerap kali kita dengar,Ahli2 Yang Berhormat dari pehakPerikatan menyatakan kema`morandalam negeri kita pada hari ini, tetapikita maseh dapati is-itu banyak orangeyang dalam kemiskinan, pemuda2 yangmenganggor di-kampong2 yang tidaktentu arah itu, mereka hendak pergihari ini kerana satu ranchangan yangterator bagi memberi j aminan hiduppada mereka itu tidak ada di-buat pada

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hari ini, oleh itu saya berharap YangBerhormat Perdana Menteri dan Kera-jaan jangan hanya menyatakan dalamDewan dan di-luar Dewan ini bahawanegeri kita ini ma`amor, orangekampong hidup dengan senang-lenang,tetapi keadaan mere4ka pada hari iniada-lah miskin, kehidupan merekabertambah burok, murid2 yang berhentidari sekolah pada hari ini yang tidakdapat melanjutkan pelajaran-nya ada-lah menganggor, maka dengan sebabitu, saya berharap pehak PerdanaMenteri akan dapat menggunakanperuntokan wang ini, bahkan jika sa-kira-nya peruntokan wang ini tidakchukup maka boleh-lah di-tambah lagibagi mendapatkan pakar2 yang benar2dapat mengatorkan satu ranchanganyang sunggoh2 bagi kepentingan orangekampong.

Eriche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad:Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak ber-chakap berkenaan dengan MuziumNegara di-dalam Sub-head 5. Dari apayang saya telah dengar daripadauchapan Yang Berhormat MenteriKewangan sa-bentar tadi, MuziumNegara ini akan di-sempurnakanpekerjaan dan pembangunan-nya padabulan Februari, dan sa-sudah itu akandi-susun-lah chara2 pembukaan bagiMuzium Negara ini. Saya nampak,Tuan Pengerusi, bangunan MuziumNegara ini ada-lah satu bangunan yangbesar dan satu kenyataan yang menun-j okkan bahawa Muzium Negara inihendak merupakan sa-bagai satu pusatyang di-dalam-nya di-dapat kekayaanpesaka barang2 lama bagi PersekutuanTanah Melayu mi. Wang $550,013 yangdi-kehendaki bagi tahun 1963 ini padapengagakkan saya is-lah bagi menyem-purnakan perbelanjaan bangunan mi.Yang saya kehendaki di-sini is-lah sa-belum Muzium Negara ini di-bukabiar-lah padan barang-nya denganbangunan-nya, sebab tidak-lah berapasedap kalau kita membuka sa-buahMuzium Negara pada tahun hadapanini kita panggil orang dari luar negeriyang bangunan Muzium Negara iniamat besar tetapi terlopong di-dalam-nya daripada barang2 yang dapatmemenohi tuntutan sa-buah muzium:Saya suka kalau dapat Kerajaan me-nambah perbelanjaan bagi kepentingan

Muzium Negara ini supaya memboleh-kan pehak muzium itu mengumpulkanbarang2 dengan chepat yang mungkinsupaya tidak-lah di-waktu hari pem-bukaan besok terdapat bahawa di-luar-nya bukan main besar tetapi kita akanmelihat dalam satu bilek itu ada duaatau tiga barang . Perkara ini hanyadapat di-jalankan dengan ranchangandan kewangan walau pun saya tahumasa amat sengkat , tetapi perchubaanyang sunggoh hendak-lah di-lakukanoleh pehak yang mengendalikanMuzium Negara.

Tuan Pengerusi, sekarang sayahendak berchakap berkenaan denganStaff Training Centre di-dalam Sub-head 3. Menurut apa yang telah di-terangkan oleh Yang BerhormatMenteri Kewangan Staff TrainingCentre ini akan dapat di-jalankan padatahun hadapan apabila di-sempurnakankerj a2 pembangunan dan di-peralatkandengan kelengkapan yang mesti. Yangsaya hendak sebutkan di-sini bahawatraining yang ada di-dalam pusat inijangan-lah hanya di-bataskan kapadapegawai2 awam sahaja, tetapi peluanghendak-lah di-beri kapada kerani2 yangsaya tahu amat banyak bilangan-nyadalam Persekutuan Tanah Melayu iniyang berhajat kapada di-beri latehanyang chukup supaya membolehkanmereka itu menjalankan tugas-nya sa-bagai kerani yang berkemahiran dalamnegeri mi. Boleh jadi, Tuan Pengerusi,ada pehak menyangka bahawa apayang saya chakapkan ini ada-lah satuperkara yang hanya hendak menguta-makan kapada kerani, tetapi yang sa-benar-nya dari apa yang saya ketahuibanyak kerani2 dalam PersekutuanTanah Melayu ini yang bekerja padamasa ini ada-fah hasil daripada merekayang tidak sempat menyempurnakanpelajaran-nya di-sebabkan oleh pe-merentahan Jepun. Jadi mereka inimempunyai handicap yang perlu di-bantu bagi membolehkan mereka itumenjalankan pekerjaan mereka denganchekap dan mahir. Oleh itu, saya harapsupaya latehan ini di-banyakkankapada mereka itu dan di-beri peluangsupaya lapisan ini dapat memberikansumbangan yang sempurna bagi pen-tadbiran dan perkhidmatan di-dalamnegeri mi.

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Tuan Pengerusi, satu perkara yanghendak saya sebutkan lagi is-lah ber-kenaan dengan Government Contribu-tion to National Monument. Pada satumasa dahulu Yang Berhormat Tim-balan Perdana Menteri telah menunjok-kan kapada saya gambar NationalMonument yang di-chadangkan itu di-dalam Dewan mi. Tetapi, TuanPengerusi, pada waktu2 yang akhir inisaya telah di-fahamkan oleh surat kha-bar dan daripada beberapa perkataanorang yang bertanggong-j awab bahawaTugu Kebangsaan ini akan mengan-dongi satu bangunan yang tergambardi-dalam-nya askar2 saperti mana askar2yang berjuang di-Iwo Jima dahulu,yang mana ini ada-lah satu ilham yangtelah di-dapati oleh Yang BerhormatPerdana Menteri ketika beliau melawatAmerika. Bagi saya, Tuan Pengerusi,saya fikir perkara2 yang saperti inihendak-lah Keraj aan PersekutuanTanah Melayu menanyakan pandanganJawatan-Kuasa Tetap yang menasihat-kan Duli2 Yang Maha Mulia Sultan2Melayu sama ada peratoran itu di-luluskan atau tidak oleh undang2 ugamaIslam. Tidak-lah berfaedah bagi kitamemperkatakan hal ini di-sini, sebabada baik-nya kalau hal ini dapat di-minta oleh Keraj aan fikiran dan petuadaripada Majlis Raja2 Melayu itusendiri. Dengan demikian akan dapat-lah hal ini di-buat dengan tidak adasangkut fikiran orange terhadap elok-nya is itu di-adakan.

Tuan Pengerusi, Yang BerhormatTimbalan Perdana Menteri pada satumasa dahulu telah menyebutkan dalamDewan ini bahawa sa-orang pakarantara-bangsa (international expert)telah berada dalam Tanah Melayu bagimenilai sa-takat mana j aya tidakjaya-nya ranchangan kemajuan danpembangunan yang telah di-buat di-Persekutuan Tanah Melayu ini, ter-utama Ranchangan Kemajuan LimaTahun Yang Pertama. Berhubong de-ngan Economic Planning Organisationdi-dalam Sub-head 8 saya suka supayaperkara ini dapat di-bentangkan olehYang Berhormat Menteri sendiri dalamDewan ini sama ada pakar antara-bangsa itu telah mengeluarkan pen-dapat-nya, dan jika dia telahmengeluarkan pendapat-nya sama ada

perkara ini dapat di-ma`alumkan dalamDewan ini, dan jika tidak apa Pulasebab-nya. mi amat-lah penting, TuanPengerusi, supaya membolehkan AhliDewan ini memberi fikiran yangobjective dalam menimbangkan ran-changan2 yang di-kemukakan olehKerajaan di-dalam Anggaran Perbelan-j aan Pembangunan mi.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Mr Chair-man, Sir, I speak under Sub-head 8 inrespect of the Economic PlanningOrganisation. The other day theHonourable the Minister of Finance ofthe Federation of Malaya at a civicscourse organised for the M.C.A. Youthssaid that his Party had accepted thesocialist programme of closing the gapbetween the "Haves" and the "Have-nots". By that, Sir, he has acceptedthe correctness of the socialist policyand socialist planning, and by thatvery fact he also accepts the incorrect-ness of the capitalist system.

Mr Chairman, Sir, what the countryis interested to know is that when theHonourable Minister was making thatspeech that very important speechtouching on the fundamentals of theeconomic system of our country washe making a statement authorised bythe Cabinet of the Government of thiscountry, or was he speaking on hisown without that statement beingacknowledged as the statement of theGovernment in power in the Federa-tion of Malaya? Mr Chairman, Sir, weare further interested to know the standof the Federation Government on thestatement made by the Minister ofFinance about closing the gap betweenthe "Haves" and the "Have-nots".Does the Government of the Federationof Malaya make this its own policy,its own official policy the closing ofthe gap between the "Haves" and the"Have-nots" in Malaya; or does it dis-sociate itself from that statement ofthe Minister of Finance? I think, Sir,a reply coming from the Deputy PrimeMinister or the Prime Minister wouldbe much better. If a reply was madeby the Minister of Finance, who hasbeen deputising for the Prime Ministerin this matter, we would not knowwhether his Cabinet colleagues asso-ciate themselves officially or do not

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associate themselves with this state-ment, or whether they think that theMinister of Finance was in a veryexuberant mood when he made thatspeech. Sir, we expect our Ministers,whether in their official capacity, orwhether as politicians outside thisHouse and outside their offices, whenmaking a statement that statementshould be one for which the Govern-ment would be responsible and forwhich they themselves and their Partywould be responsible. So, taking theMinister . . . . . .

Enche' Abdul Samad bin Osman(Sunga Patani): Mr Chairman, Sir,what was mentioned just now to uswas said by the Minister outside thisHouse. It is not said inside this House.

Mr Chairman: It has some connec-tion with the Economic PlanningOrganisation.

Enche' Abdul Samad: I did nothear the Minister speaking about that.

Mr Chairman : Proceed.

Enche' Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman(Seberang Tengah): Mr Chairman, Sir,on a point of order Standing Order67B (2) says :

" . ... a debate may arise on the generalpolicy of the Government with respect to theDevelopment Fund and the purposes forwhich it is applicable."

Mr Chairman : (To Enche' K. KaramSingh). According to the StandingOrder, you must not touch on theMinister's statement. That is irrelevant.

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir, I am speaking on the Econo-mic Planning Organisation, and I amtouching on the policy for which thismoney is being allocated, and I am nottouching on the general policy. IfHonourable back-benchers do notunderstand, I can every time, in regardto what I say, repeat that the EconomicPlanning Organisation should do thisand do that. However, I am being moredirect to the point.

Mr Chairman, Sir, now we wouldlike to know, when the Minister ofFinance made this important speech,whether the Government actually had

a scheme to bridge the gap between the"Haves" and "Have-nots"; if it had,I would like to know how it proposesto bridge the gap between foreigncapitalists , who are the big "Haves" inour country , and the vast mass of"Have-nots", who are the local people.I would also like to know how theGovernment, if it does have such ascheme, proposes to bridge the gapbetween the local Malayan "Haves",who are the capitalists living in thetowns , and the "Have-nots" who livein the towns and in the kampongs ofMalaya and in the estates and tinmines . This is a very vital matter andI hope the Government will eithercategorically, today in this House,affirm this principle which the Ministerof Finance made the other day ofbridging the gap between the "Haves"and the "Have -nots" ......

Mr Chairman: Do not repeat itagain and again.

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Sir, itshould categorically affirm or categori-cally reject it, and thereby denouncethe Minister of Finance for havingmade that statement. The whole countryis interested, because by that statementthe Government has accepted the cor-rectness of the socialist principle(HONOURABLE MEMBERS : Oh, oh!)and we `want to know whether theGovernment is prepared to put thatinto practice. Thank you.

Enche' Chan Yoon Onn (Kampar):Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like tospeak on the National Museum. Sinceour National Museum is not yetcompleted, and since it is somethingwhich is connected with the people ofthis country, as the exhibits of theMuseum will no doubt refer to allaspects of the life and livelihood ofthe people of our country, I hope thatthe exhibits in the Museum will be ofgreat historic value.

Sir, in order to let the people havea view of the National Museum, whichshould be of a standard comparableto international level, I wish to havean assurance from the Minister con-cerned that when the Museum is com-pleted there should be no admission

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fees. Further, Sir, I hope that • theMuseum will be the mouthpiece forour country to foreigners who come tovisit Malaya.

The Deputy Prime Minister (TuxHaji Abdul Razak): Mr Chairman,Sir, I only wish to reply to a fewpoints raised by Honourable Members.First, Sir, I would like to deal with theHonourable Member for Damansara.As usual with the Honourable Member,his reasoning has been most illogicalat all times, and I would like to assurehim that, unlike the Members of theSocialist Front, we in the Govern-ment-Ministers of this Governmenthave always spoken with one voiceand on behalf of the Government.(Applause). I am afraid he hasmisquoted my Honourable friend andcolleague, the Minister of Finance, onthe statement made by the Minister ofFinance. I remember correctly theMinister of Finance has always statedthat the policy of the Alliance Govern-ment is to endeavour to narrow the gapbetween the "Haves" and the "Have-nots". In other words, our policy isto level up, and not level down,(Laughter), and it is only by levellingup that we can get prosperity andhappiness; whereas by levelling down--this is what the Socialist Front wantsto do (Laughter)-you will havepoverty, chaos and misery. Therefore,Mr Chairman, Sir, the differencebetween us and the Socialist Front isclear, and by this policy of levellingup, of helping the "Have-nots" thepoor to improve their standard ofliving, to increase their income and toprovide them with amenities of life,we all can have a better and a happierstandard of living. This is being donethroughout the country through ourrural development programme, andalso it is being done in the towns. So,by our policy of encouraging the invest-ment of capital, both local and foreign,we are able to attract a lot of capitalto this country. As Honourable Mem-bers know, a number of factories havebeen built in various areas in thiscountry, and by this we are able toprovide more employment for ourpeople. Further, it can well be saidthat generally throughout the country

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there is a level of prosperity which, Ithink, we all ought to be proud of, andby our programme of rural develop-ment from day to day, from time totime, the rural people are getting moreand more amenities of life and manyof them are improving not only theirstandard of living but also theirincomes. I think by all these efforts,Sir, there is no doubt that we shallhave a happier and a more prosperousnation in this country.

Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendak men-jawab sadikit pandangan daripada AhliYang Berhormat, pertama sa-kali AhliYang Berhormat dari Pasir Mas Hulu.Ahli Yang Berhormat itu mengatakanpehak Kerajaan tidak ada membuatranchangan untok kebaikan orangkampong. Jadi ini satu tudohan yangsaya fikir tidak menasabah dan tidakpatut di-sebutkan sebab Ahli YangBerhormat itu tahu bahawa Kerajaanada memberi banyak ranchangan2 un-tok faedah kemajuan pendudok2 kam-pong. Jadi Ahli Yang Berhormat ituberkehendakkan Kerajaan mengatorkansatu ranchangan yang tertentu, tetapidia tidak sebutkan apa ranchangan itu.Jadi dalam hal iktisad itu kita mestifaham bagaimana chara-nya kita hen-dak buat. Kerajaan sentiasa faham apachara dan jalan yang sa-benar-nyayang patut di-buat bagi pendudok2 di-luar bandar dan pendudok di-kampong2itu. Kerajaan menjalankan dua perkara,yang pertama kalau orang yang tidakada pekerjaan yang sempurna Kerajaantolong memberi pekerjaan, dengan me-ngadakan ranchangan2 tanah dan per-kara2 yang boleh mereka itu buat.Pada orang yang ada pekerjaan yangtidak menchukupi pendapatan-nya Ke-rajaan adakan ranchangan2 lain untokmenambahkan dan membesarkan pen-dapat-nya sama ada menggalakkanmereka itu mengadakan perusahaan2kechil dan bagitu juga bagi orang yangtidak ada pekerjaan barangkali tidaksuka dudok di-kampong2 datang ka-bandar2. Kerajaan ada memberi peluangmemberi ke4a di-kilang2 dan memberilain2 pekerjaan yang patut, ada satuJawatan-Kuasa mengandongi wakildaripada Kementerian2 mengatorkanchara2 hendak menolong dan melatehpemuda2 dalam berbagai2 lapangan

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pekerjaan supaya hendak memudahkanmereka itu dapat bekerja di-kilang2 itu.Jadi ini-lah dia chara yang patut di-jalankan. Jadi saya fikir tidak ada lagisatu chara yang patut hendak di-jalan-kan pada hari ini yang di-sebutkanoleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari PasirMas Hulu tadi; nampak-nya dia sendirimemejamkan mata-nya atas beberaparanchangan2 yang mustahak dan ber-faedah dan di-jalankan oleh Kerajaan.

Berkenaan dengan Ahli Yang Ber-hormat dari Bachok ada mendatangkanpandangan is-itu Staff Training Centreis-itu pegawai2 yang termasok kerani2dan bukan sahaja pegawai2 yang tinggisahaja, semua pegawai di-beri peluangberlateh di-sini sebab dasar Kerajaanada-lah memberi peluang kapada pega-wai2 Kerajaan terutama pegawai2rendah supaya mereka itu dapat meme-gang jawatan yang lebeh tinggi lagi.Berkenaan dengan National Monument,saya pun tidak faham fikiran YangBerhormat itu menyatakan hendakmengadakan Monument itu barangkalitidak salah daripada segi ugama,kalau kita mengadakan gambar untokaskar2 kita yang telah berkhidrnatkapada negara menunjokkan kapadaanak2 kita yang askar2 kita itu adamenjalankan perkhidmatan-nya dengansempurna dan ta`at setia dan menunjok-kan kita sendiri dengan ke`adilan,dengan kepentingan negara supayahendak memajukan lagi dan mengem-bangkan sem.angat kebangsaan, sayafikir ini ada-lah satu perkara yangmenasabah yang patut kita adakankerana hendak menguatkan semangatkebangsaan bagi kemajuan negara. Ber-kenaan dengan ranchangan kemajuanlima tahun yang kedua sa-benar-nyasaya ada memberitahu, ada pakarWorld Bank yang memberi pertolonganyang tertentu bagi menyegerakan ran-changan kemajuan lima tahun itu.Pekerjaan itu akan dapat di-jalankanbersama2 dengan Jawatan-Kuasa Na-tional Development Committee, j aditentu-lah ini belum sampai masa-nyabagi kita hendak menei ^^.ngkan bagai-mana chara2 ranchangan itu di-buat.Apabila sampai masa-nya kelak, habismasa lima tahun baharu-lah boleh di-semak satu-persatu berkenaan denganchara. ranchangan2 itu di-jalankan. mi

hanya sampai pada tahun yang kedua,jadi sa-tengah ranchangan itu belumpun berjalan, yang sa-tengah-nyasedang di-jalankan belum sempurna,bagaimana chara menjalankan ran-changan itu dan apa-kah faedah2-nyayang kita dapat daripada ranchangan2itu. Biasa-nya lepas habis masa limatahun itu akan di-semak semua sa-kaliranchangan lima tahun itu dan padamasa itu-lah akan di-bentangkan ka-Dewan ini dan Kerajaan akan menge-mukakan ranchangan lima tahun yangketiga. Pehak Kerajaan tidak ada apayang hendak di-surohkan oleh pehakD°wan ini dan pehak ra`ayat jelatakerana kita menjalankan ranchangan2yang terator dan ikhlas bagi kemajuannegara. Jadi itu-lah apabila sampaimasa-nya tentu-lah Dewan ini dapatmenyemak sa-halus2-nya perjalananranchangan kemajuan itu.

Saya fikir, Tuan Pengerusi, ini-lahsahaja yang hendak saya jawabkan danyang lain2 Yang Berhormat MenteriKewangan akan memberikan jawapan-nya.

Enrhe' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad:Tuan Pengerusi, sa-belum Menteri Ke-wangan menjawab, Yang BerhormatTimbalan Perdana Menteri telah tidaknampak, apa-kah perkara yang menye-babkan kita tertanya2 berkenaan dengankedudokan National Monument mi.Yang Berhormat Timbalan PerdanaMenteri tidak nampak bahawa ada per-kara yang di-dalam hal ini, tidak-lahsaya hairankan, tetapi saya mengatakanbahawa walau-pun pada zahir-nya kitahendak mengadakan gambar askar2yang menandakan kehormatan kitapada mereka itu dan menunjokkanke`adilan dan sa-bagai-nya, tetapi per-kara ini ada hubongan-nya dengan soalugama. Sebab ini-lah maka saya kemu-kakan dalam soal ini bagi ma`alumatDewan ini, saya ingat bahawa masaalahmendirikan patong gambar manusia ituada-lah satu masaalah ugama, dansaya tidak hendak mem-prejudice-kanfikiran sa-siapa, bagus atau tidak bagus-nya dalam hal ini, tetapi untok mem-bolehkan Yang Berhormat TimbalanPerdana Menteri mennu akan perbaha-than dalam hal ini, saya boleh-lahmengatakan bahawa di-bawah hadithMuhammad S.A.W. ada berkata bahawa:

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Sa-berat2 azab bagi orang yang terkhia-nat is-lah bagi orang yang membuatgambar. Boleh j adi, Timbalan PerdanaMenteri memandang yang perkara iniringan---itu soal-nya, tetapi saya sukasupaya perkara ini di-putuskan olehMajlis Raja2 Melayu, atau Jawatan-Kuasa Tetap-nya, dan saya tidak akanmemulakan pada hari ini bagi mem-prej udicekan perkara ini, sebab sayarasa lebeh baik hal ini di-bahathkanoleh Majlis Raja2 Melayu, guna-nyais-lah supaya apa yang kita bahathkanini mempunyai satu dasar yang tertentuyang boleh kita perkatakan. Hendakmengatakan bagus pada pandangankita, itu ada-lah bagus pada-nya, dansaya perchaya sa-kira-nya perkaraini dapat di-beri sanction oleh Majliskita, saya fikir akan lebeh beresperkara ini, maka itu-lah sebab-nya,perkara ini saya bawa dalam Dewanmi.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin : Mr Chairman,Sir, three out of the five HonourableMembers of the Opposition who spokeon the National Museum, I would notbe so uncharitable as to say that it isperhaps appropriate that they shouldtake an interest in the Museum on theground that perhaps they themselvesmay have ideas more appropriate forsuch an institution; but I think pro-bably we can be more charitable andsay that that is due to their sense ofhistory. My Honourable friend andcolleague the Deputy Prime Ministerhas effectively answered some of thecharges levelled against us by a numberof Opposition Speakers and that reallyleaves me only with two points to dealwith.

As I said, Sir, three speakers fromthe Opposition benches touched on theNational Museum and I shall deal withthat first. I am very glad to note, andI assume I can interpret the remark ofthe Honourable Member for Rawangcorrectly, that he in fact does not objectto the expenditure on the NationalMuseum. He only is very anxious thatwhen the building is officially openedthat it will contain enough worthwhileexhibits, and I think the HonourableMember for Ba,chok also made thesame plea. I can assure them that theGovernment is very conscious of this

factor and I also personally know thatthe Keeper of Public Records had madevery strenous efforts to ensure that theMuseum is adequately stocked with theexhibits which we want to see there,and if the Honourable Members of theOpposition benches can help him andthe Government, I am sure their effortswill be very greatly appreciated. Butit is not so easy as the HonourableMember for Rawang suggests to getexhibits cheaply. If exhibits are reallygood they are obviously of great his-toric value, and if they are of greathistoric value, I don't think they can beobtained easily or cheaply. The Honour-able Member for Kampar also suggestedthat no admission charges should belevied on those who wish to go intothis Museum. It is the policy of theGovernment to provide free admissionto this Museum.

The second point raised by Honour-able Members of the Oppositionbenches is with regard to the functionsand duties of the Economic PlanningUnit. This point was raised both by theHonourable Member for Rawang andthe Honourable Member for Daman-sara. I think there is a little misunder-standing on the functions of thisorganisation. This organisation hasbeen put in the Prime Minister'sDepartment because its responsibilitiescover the functions of more than oneMinistry and hence it was felt that itwould be more appropriate if thisorganisation is placed in the PrimeMinister's portfolio so that it couldco-ordinate more easily the activitiesof all the Ministries and Departmentswhich are responsible for planning theeconomic activities of the Governmentand of the country. I don't think, asthe Honourable Member for Rawangsuggested, that it has got little to do.Apparently, he bases this rather oddconclusion on the fact that on thisoccasion only $14,500 has been allo-cated to this institution. This sum of$14,500 is required for the building upof the library and provision of equip-ment for the Economic Planning Unit,but the House can rest assured that thisis no criterion at all of the Govern-ment's view of the importance of thisparticular organisation.

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The Honourable Member forDamansara, speaking with one eye onthe public press and another on theelectorate, accused the Government ofsubscribing to the policies and princi-ples of the Socialist Front. I can assurehim that the Government will never beguilty of such a terrible crime(Laughter). What I said in my speechwas that although we broadly agreewith the objectives of the SocialistFront, there was a vital differencebetween us, and that difference wasthat while people like those in theSocialist Front wanted to bring the levelof those higher up to a lower levelso that all of us can share a commonmisery (Laughter), the Government feltthat a far better way of doing it wasto bring the level of those lower downhigher up, so that all of us could livea better life. (Applause). I never alsowas so unrealistic as to promise thatthe Government would ever be able toclose the gap between the "haves" and"have-nots". That, I think, is a verydeplorable fact, but we have got toaccept that it is not possible, either inthis world or in the next, for all of usto be equal. However, it is certainly theintention of the Government to narrowthat gap so that, as I have said earlierin my speech, labourers will certainlyhave a fair share of the fruits of theirlabour.

The Honourable Member has askedthe Government what it has done toimplement its promise. I think what wehave been discussing during the lastthree weeks should convince theHonourable Member that we are doingquite a lot. If the Honourable Memberhad taken care to study the Budgetwhich we have just passed, and alsothe Five-Year Plan, of which thepresent Estimates form a part, hewould have seen that we are makingthe most massive and imaginative effortto raise the standard of living generallyin this country. You do not have to bean economist to see the progress whichhas been made in this country in thesefive short years of independence. Apartfrom those who are so chronicallyjaundiced that they cannot see thingsfor themselves, the Honourable Mem-ber probably is aware that every unpre-

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judiced foreign businessman who hasbeen in this country, after an intervalof a few years, has been astounded atthe progress we have made in thesefive years of independence. (Applause).In fact, the adjectives used by themare so complimentary that even theGovernment has not dared to use them.If the Honourable Member is reallyserious to know what the Governmentis doing, or intends to do, I don't mindinviting him to one of the M.C.A.training courses, so that he can learna little (laughter) of what we have beentrying to teach him for the last threeyears !

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Sir, on apoint of order S.O. 36 (1). I thankthe Minister very much for hisinvitation but I decline it. (Laughter).There is nothing for me to learn fromthese courses.

Enche' Tan Siew Sin: Sir, I mightinform the Honourable Member that Ifollowed up the short speech with alengthy 90-minute speech, in which Ioutlined very, very briefly indeed, theachievements of the Government duringthese last five years and what we have,in fact, done to keep the promiseswhich we have made. However, Ithink the House will appreciate thatwe have not got much time to educatethis Honourable Member at thisparticular stage of our proceedings.

The Honourable Deputy PrimeMinister has referred to the ruraldevelopment programme but I preferto refer to the Five-Year Plan. If theHonourable Member had studied theBudget, he would have noticed that theGovernment announced that it wasgoing to reorganise, or assist in thereorganisation of the Malayan Indus-trial Development Finance Ltd, so thatresources available to it in future willcome to $250 million against the $17.5million it now has. This is an increaseof about fourteen times over its presentresources and this will take care ofthe charge that the Government is notdoing anything to assist Malayanentrepreneurs in establishing manufac-turing industry in this country. In fact,I think, any observer, who is notprejudiced, will admit that this is the

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most imaginative and far-reachingscheme which has ever been launchedby any Government in this part of theworld in order to ensure that domesticcapital will, in future, have an adequateshare in the building of a privatemanufacturing industry in this country.The Socialist Front, far from compli-menting us--of course, that is too muchto expect of them, but at least onewould have expected that if they couldnot do so, they could have ignoredus went so far as to say that this wasa bad scheme. When you are up againstthat sort of outlook, I think you cannotsay very much to them. (Applause).

Enche' K. Karam Singh : Mr Chair-man, Sir . .

Mr Chairman : Do you want toraise a point of clarification`?

Enche' K. Karam Singh: Yes, Sir.We find that .. .

Tuan Haji Ahmad Saaid : Mr Chair-man, Sir, on a point of order S.O.40 (1). I request your permission tomove that the question be now put.

Mr Chairman: Yes.

Tuan Haji Ahmad Saaid : Sir, I begto move

That the question be now put.

Question put, and agreed to.

Resolved,That the question be now put.

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $3,604,227 for Heads101 and 102 agreed to stand part ofthe Development Estimates, 1963.

Heads 103 and 104

The Assistant Minister of Informa-tion and Broadcasting (Enche' Moha-med Ismail bin Mohamed Yusof):With your permission, Mr Chairman,Sir, I would like to take both theHeads together, and move that Head103, Broadcasting and Head 104,Information, totalling $7,763,581 beapproved.

HEAD 103: DEPARTMENT OF BROAD-CASTING

(1) Sub-head 7 ( ii) Malacca': Studiosand Equipment , $276,345-Construe-

tion of the building started in Julythis year and it is expected to becompleted by April/May next year.Nearly all the equipment required hasbeen ordered and most of the itemshave already been received. Installationof equipment would commence soonafter completion of the building, andthe entire project is expected to becompleted either by the end of 1963or early 1964.

(2) Sub-head 8, Kota Bharu : Trans-mitters and Studios, $54,038 Thebuilding has recently been completedand finishing touches are now beingmade to the Air-conditioning Plant,Electrical Installation and the Acoustictreatment requirements. Although thetwo 10KW transmitters are already onthe air on a test transmission basis,these would formally be declared opera-tional as from January 1, 1963.

Installation of Studio equipmentwould commence as soon as all build-ing ancillaries have been completedand the entire project is expected to becompleted before April/May next year.

(3) Sub-head 10, Johore Bahru :Transmitters, $378,939 After pro-tracted land negotiations, actualconstruction of the station building and

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essential staff quarters commenced inAugust, 1962. The buildings areexpected to be completed by March/April next year. The three 5KWMedium Wave transmitters that werealready on order are expected to arrivein good time before the completion ofthe building.

Provided the small additional areaof land required is procured beforeDecember 15 this year, it would bepossible to complete the laying of theintricate earth radial system and theerection of the mast radiator, to enablethe transmissions to be put on the airsome time in June 1963.

(4) Sub-head 13 (i), Television TestSurvey, $100,000 This Test Surveywas awarded to Nippon ElectricCompany of Tokyo a few months ago.The necessary map survey which is atpresent undertaken in Japan would becompleted in a few weeks, after whichtime a team of Japanese Engineers are

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expected to arrive in Malaya to carryout the remaining portion of thisproject , which includes an on-the-spotsurvey . The entire survey is expected tobe completed before April next year.

(5) Sub -head 13 (iii), TelevisionScheme for Kuala Lumpur,$3,560,000 With your permission, MrChairman , Sir, I would like to dwella little bit on this very exciting newmass communication medium.

In order to ensure proper planningand to avoid costly mistakes as hasbeen the case in many countries, twoexperts were brought in this year underthe Colombo Plan, through the genero-sity of the Canadian Government. Bothwere from the Canadian BroadcastingCorporation . Mr George Jones coveredthe Engineering field while Mr G. E.Brickenden devoted his stay here tothe Programming and Administrativeaspects of the proposed service. I amproud to say that the reports by thesetwo experts have been found to bevery useful in our planning for theestablishing of the service.

Television, as Hon 'ble Members areaware, is a powerful medium ofinformation, education and entertain-ment because it combines what isappealing to the eyes as well as to theears . With our political developmentreaching its present stage and with theadvent of Malaysia , TV will be mosteffective for fostering unity , toleranceand understanding among our diversepeople . I have no doubt that it will bean instrument that will help speed thegrowth of national consciousness and asense of pride in being citizens of thecountry.

When established , Television will bea complement to existing method ofdisseminating information . TelevisionService in this country will operate asa government department within theMinistry of Information and Broad-casting with a set-up somewhat similarto that of the Department of Broad-casting.

As Television is completely new to us,it is therefore the intention of Govern-ment to make a modest start by havingthe first TV Centre in the Federal

Capital which will radiate signals toplaces within a radius of about 40 milesfrom Kuala Lumpur. It is hoped thateventually the Service will be extendedto the other parts of the country.

I would like to assure Hon'bleMembers that in considering the intro-duction of Television into the country,the Government has gone into all theproblems likely to be faced very care-fully, in order, as I said earlier, toavoid costly mistakes, and to ensurethat the Service when it becomesoperational will be one that will be onthe same standard if not better thanthose of advanced countries.

Mr Chairman, Sir, unlike many othercountries, Malaya is in a favourableposition to operate a nation-wideTelevision Service due to the existenceof the microwave links put up by theTelecommunications Department. Bymeans of these links, programmescould be passed and exchanged betweenthe centres now joined by microwavelinks, and later on to any other centrethat may be brought into the microwavechain of communication. Malaya is oneof the few countries in the EasternHemisphere enjoying such facilities,and this includes Australia wherecommunication between Televisioncentres is in the form of expensiveco-axial cables laid over long distances.

Now coming to the television schemefor Kuala Lumpur, a request forTelevision Consultants from Canadaunder Colombo Plan has been made.The draft Tender Specifications forTelevision equipment had already beenprepared, but it will not be possibleto do much work locally until thearrival of the Consultants, who wouldbe entrusted not only to finalise theTender Specifications for equipmentbut also to design the various buildingsrequired for the Television Centre.Although two Television Experts fromCanadian Broadcasting Corporationhad been to this country for a montheach, more Experts have been requestedfor and it is very necessary that theyarrive as soon as possible.

(6) Sub-head 15, Kajang MalaysianServices, $800,000 Tender Notices and

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Specifications for the supply of a50 / 100KW Shortwave transmitterincluding antenna system have alreadybeen issued on a world wide basis lastweek. Negotiations are now in handfor the procurement of some 7 acresof additional land adjoining the presentKajang Transmitting Station site.

It is hoped that the land can beprocured before the end of February1963 and the transmitter with itsassociated equipment procured withina 4-month delivery period, so as tocomplete this project before the targetdate of 31st August, 1963.

HEAD 104: DEPARTMENT OF INFORMA-

TION-(MALAYAN FILM UNIT)

Up to 1961, a sum of $117,761 wasspent for acquisition of land and surveyfees. In 1962 the Development Estimatesprovided $2,000,000 for the scheme andin April building operations com-menced on the site. However byOctober, 1962, it was foreseen that theprovision would not be fully expendedand it was estimated that about amillion dollars would be spent in 1962.The rest of the provision was thereforerevoted and now a total of $2,594,259is asked for the completion of thebuildings, for air conditioning andelectrical installations, together withcertain essential film processing andsound mixing equipment ; furniture andremoval expenses.

With better premises the MalayanFilm Unit can also accept more revenueearning films from which they haveearned nearly half-a-million dollarsthis year and therefore expand itsprogramme of film for information,instructions and education.

Sir, I beg to move.

Enche' Mohamed Asri bin HajiMuda : Tuan Pengerusi, saya hendakberchakap dalam Kepala 104 ber-kenaan dengan Film Unit Studio,Kuala Lumpur, is-itu pada masa2 yangtelah lalu, film2 yang di-keluarkan olehStudio Film Unit in kebanyakan-nyais-lah documentary2 berkenaan denganperkara2 kemajuan luar Bandar danperkara2 lawatan pembesar2 negerisa-mata2. Saya rasa pada masa akan

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datang ini patut -lah pehak Film Unitini supaya dapat mengeluarkan film2pelajaran tentang ketinggian akhlakbudi pekerti ra`ayat di-kampong2 dankemajuan2 pelajaran supaya dapat-lahfilm2 itu di-edarkan di-merata tempatdi-seluroh Persekutuan Tanah Melayu.Film2 yang bersipat tentang soalketinggian akhlak atau budi pekertiini ada-lah sangat2 mustahak di-adakanbagi di-edarkan di-seluroh negeri kitapada masa sekarang mi. Dengan film2yang di-sipatkan propaganda sa-mata2dengan memberikan gambar soal kema-juan luar bandar dengan semangatgotong royong sa-mata2 tidak-lahmenjamin bahawa perkhidmatan filmini akan meliputi keselurohan -nya bagimuslihat ra `ayat negeri mi. Sa-buahnegeri saperti yang telah di-nyatakanpada masa2 yang telah lalu , soal pemba-ngunan dan pembenaan akhlak bagira`ayat Persekutuan Tanah Melayuada-lah menjadi satu perkara yangpaling mustahak dan penting sa-kali.Dan peranan bagi film2 ini hendak-lahmerupakan satu peranan yang pentingdi-dalam mengembangkan pendidekanbagi seluroh Persekutuan TanahMelayu.

Dapat-lah di-adakan film2 itu is-itubentok cherita -nya menerangkan bentokakhlak dan budi pekerti ra`ayat. Danlagi film itu biar-lah boleh membenaperibadi bangsa kita bagi selurohpendudok Persekutuan mi. Sa-laindaripada itu, Tuan Pengerusi , bercha-kap dalam Kepala 8 berkenaan denganKota Bharu , patut di -Pantai Timoritu dapat4ah mendengar siaran2 yangagak lebeh terang dan nyata lagi.

Enche' Mohamed Ismail bin Mohd.Yusof: Tuan. Pengerusi, dalam sayamenguchapkan terima kaseh kapadaAhli Yang Berhormat daripada PasirPuteh, saya suka menyatakan memang-lah to j uan dan dasar Keraj aan is-itubagi film unit (Film Negara) yang adaitu mengeluarkan film2 sa-machammana yang tersebut tadi is-itu ber-kenaan dengan pelajaran, ketinggianakhlak, dan lain2 lagi. Tetapi dengansebab studio kita yang ada pada hariini tidak memuaskan hati tidak dapat-lah di-jalankan sa-berapa baik dansa-berapa sempurna, sunggoh pun

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bagitu banyak-lah film2 kita telahmendapat kemenangan dan hadiah2.Manakala siap studio baharu insha'-Allah perkara itu akan berubah,berkenaan dengan Kota Bharu sa-bagaimana ka-hendak Ahli YangBerhormat itu tadi (T e pak).

Question put, and agreed to.

The sum of $7,763,581 for Heads103 and 104 agreed to Stand part ofthe Development Estimates, 1963.

Heads 105-113-

Mr Chairman: I propose that theexpenditure shown in Head 105 of theDevelopment Estimates for the year1963 be approved.

The Assistant Minister of theInterior (Enche' Cheah Theam Swee):Mr Chairman, Sir, before I proceed,may I have your permission to takeall the Heads under my Ministrytogether, at one rising.

Mr Chairman, Sir, under Head 105a sum of $147,510 is sought.

As for Sub-head 17, since there isstill no certainty about the exactlocation of a site, only a token votehas been entered in these Estimates.

As for Sub-head 18, a provision of$147,500 is for the purchase of thenecessary office furniture and equip-ment required for the new FederationFilm Censorship Board which will beset up as soon as the new studios ofthe Malayan Film Unit have beencompleted, which is expected to besometime by the middle of next year.

Under Head 107, a total of $418,130is required.

With regard to Sub-head 8, item (iii),the sum of $20,000 represents thebalance sum required to complete theproject on expansion of the BranchPress at Trengganu. The whole projectwill be completed early next year.

As for item (iv) on the same Sub-head which is in respect of a newBranch Press in Perak, the provisionof $398,130 is required in order tocomplete the new Branch Press atTasek. Out of this allocation, $234,130

is for payment for the construction ofthe buildings and $164,000 is for thepurchase of the necessary machineryand furniture for the new workshopsand office. This Branch Press isexpected to be completed by themiddle of next year.

Under Head 108, Sir, a sum of$490,000 is sought.

With regard to Sub-head 13, a tokenprovision of $10 only is shown. Iregret to say that this laudable projecthas been somewhat delayed as attemptsto secure a suitable site have beenunsuccessful. However, the Ministry isstill endeavouring to ► look for a site.

As for the various provisions soughtunder Sub-heads 14, 15 and 16respectively, these are all for thepurpose of construction of quartersand barracks of prisons' personnel inaccordance with the Department'sphase programme under the SecondFive-Year Plan. There is an acuteshortage of quarters for the Prison'suniformed staff and, under their con-ditions of service, warder staff in theprisons for instance, are entitled to freeaccommodation and they are requiredto live in Prison quarters so that theyare readily available in any emergency.Because of the shortage of quarters,some of them are housed in pooraccommodation some distance awayfrom the prison, and this is unsatis-factory. The House will agree with methat proper quarters are necessary forthe efficiency of the Prisons organisa-tion, as well as for the morale of thePrison uniformed staff.

Under Head 109, Sir, it is proposedto provide a sum of $8,500,000 for lowcost housing. This sum is in continua-tion of implementing the Government'spolicy in assisting families in the lowerincome groups to own houses and, atthe same time, to solve the problem ofhousing shortage. The House will agreethat housing is an expensive under-taking and is a heavy drain in thenation's resources. Nevertheless, theGovernment considers housing as oneof the most important factors for theimprovement of the standard of livingof the people.

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Although resources are rather limitedthe Government has already committedfor 1963.the following projects :

Sungei Pari Flats, Perak ... 300 UnitsTempler Road Flats, Negeri 300 „SembilanBahau Project ... ... 150Pandamaran Flats, Selangor 300Telok Gadong, Selangor ... T18Kampong Pandan, Kuala 600Lumpur, 2nd Phase

I wish to inform the House that sincethe State Governments have acceptedthe Federation Government's low costhousing policy, it is possible for thisMinistry to implement effectively itslow cost housing programme.

Sir, under Head 110 the sum of$3,000,010 is sought for the purpose ofa loan to the Kuala Lumpur Munici-pality; the requirements as shown bythe sub-head are :

Sub-head 23: This extension hasbeen planned with the object ofeliminating so far as possible night soilcollection in the centre of the town andif this scheme can be completed thisobject will most certainly have beenattained because the remaining areasnear the town centre are mainlyresidential areas already connectedto septic tanks. The sewerage worksand the main outfall sewer wereconstructed with extensions of thisnature in mind.

Under Sub-head 24, since there isstill no certainty about the provisionof a site, only a token vote has beenentered.

Sub-head 25: The present wholesalemarket at Jalan Sekolah which is nowobsolete and inadequate in serving itspurpose will be moved to the junctionof Maxwell Road and Ipoh Road.Negotiations with the Selangor StateGovernment for the acquisition of land.will be settled shortly.

Sub-head 27: The schemes in respectof which funds are sought have alreadybeen agreed to in conjunction with thePublic Works Department.

Sub-head 28: The land for thisproject has been obtained and thecontract let. The total cost of the

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scheme is estimated at approximately$850,000 and the excess over theapproved loan of $500,000 will beborne from the Municipality revenues.The sum of $150,000 is for the balanceof the cost.

Sub-head 29: This is a continuationof the scheme of improving the stand-ard of labour lines, but apart from thisaspect of the matter a large number ofthe Municipal labour lines lie nearsome of the most important roads inthe Municipal area. It is felt that theselabour lines be demolished and newones erected either on the same site orif possible on other suitable land, whichis a definite phase in the generalimprovement of the Municipality.

Sub-head 30: This is a continuationof the scheme for the general improve-ment of street lighting throughout theMunicipal areas.

Sir, coming now to Head 112, thesum of $1,400,000 is sought for a loanto the Penang City Council forpurposes as shown in the sub-heads,which are, Sub-head 4 is a loanrequired for the continuation of thesewerage scheme to serve the whole ofthe city; Sub-head 13 are fundsrequired for a relief canal, improvedoutfalls and the installation of pumpsto reduce flooding at times of heavyrain and/or high spring tides; Sub-head14, this project will provide improvedand additional marketing facilities. Itwill also provide additional stall sitesfor hawkers who are at present causingobstruction along the streets surround-ing the market; and Sub-head 16 (i)is the amount required for the buildingand equipment of a new central firestation in Perak Road. More efficientand up-to-date fire fighting facilitieswill be provided. This is necessitatedby expansion of the population andthe increase of buildings.

Under Head 113 a total of $308,500is sought. With regard to Sub-head 1,a sum of $263,500 is required to enablethe Department to carry out its variousprojects in accordance with its Five-Year Plan Programme. These projectsare, namely,

(i) In Pahang, to complete twoschool units, including hostels

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and teachers quarters at $48,000each;

(ii) To establish 40 Medical Evacua-tion Aid Posts and LandingZones at a cost of $54,000;

(iii) For the construction of admini-strative post at Kedaik (Pahang)costing $70,000; and lastly

(iv) A Maternity Scheme at UluGombak Medical Centre.

It is proposed to open a maternityunit at the Ulu Gombak MedicalCentre, where mothers can come fortheir confinement and where Aboriginewomen from the deep jungle canreceive elementary midwifery training.Training of aborigine midwives willconsist of two months basic trainingfollowed by a further 4 to 6 months ata Government hospital. There wouldbe 50 beds for Aborigine mothers atthe centre and only normal deliverieswould be taken at Ulu Gombak; andany cases involving complicationswould be treated at the GeneralHospital. This maternity scheme wouldinvolve a sum of $43,500 of which$40,500 would be utilised for theconstruction of three units of hospitalwards. The balance of $3,000 wouldbe for the purchase of essential furni-ture for these buildings.

Under Sub-head 2 a sum of $20,000

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the establishment of a pattern settle-ment at Baling, Kedah. Under theSecond Five-Year Plan, the Departmentwill provide a total number of 15pattern settlements situated in variousStates; each settlement will have dwel-ling houses, a community centre, accessroads, agricultural plots for short termcash! subsistence crops, wells, fish-ponds, as well as provision of livestockand poultry. These projects aredesigned to assist the Aborigines, amatter to which the Governmentattaches considerable importance.

Under Sub-head 3 a sum of $25,000is sought to enable the department toconduct, among other things, specialcourses in agriculture for Aborigineswith a view to improving the existingmethods of occupation and productionof subsistence crops.

Mr Chairman : Order, order, thetime is now 6.30 p.m. House resumes.

House resumed.

Mr (Deputy) Speaker: HonourableMembers, I wish to report that theCommittee on the Development Esti-mates for 1963 has progressed up toHead 104 of the DevelopmentEstimates. The Committee on Develop-ment Estimates will resume tomorrow.The meeting is adjourned to 9.30 a.m.tomorrow.

is required to meet expenditure for Adjourned at 6.30 p.m.