PEO’s Engineering Internship Training

Program

Manoj Choudhary, M.Eng., P.Eng.

Objectives

• Role of PEO

• Admissions vs. Pre-licensing Unit

• Enforcement vs. Discipline

• Licensing Requirements

• Engineering Experience

• Benefits of Engineering Intern Program & Student Membership Program

Practice of Engineering

• Any act of designing, composing, evaluating, advising, reporting, directing or supervising;

• Wherein the safeguarding of life, health, property or the public welfare is concerned;

• That requires the application of engineering principles (does not include practicing as a natural scientist).

PEO’s Role & Function

• Who - self regulating body for P. Engs.

• What - regulate and set standards

• Where - across the province of Ontario

• When - 1922 right to title; 1932 right to practice

• Why - Public safety and welfare

• How - Admissions, discipline and enforcement

Admissions Unit

• Keep all relevant information related to your application

• Respond to requests for information• Refer to your application number in all contact with

PEO• Ensure that all of your contact information is

accurate

Admissions Unit

Your Admissions Representative is:• Your primary PEO contact* to answer all licensing

process & status of file questions• Responsible for timely follow up of requests• Responsible for updating your application file

* Exception: Questions related to the quality of the experience requirements should be directed to the Pre-licensing Unit

Enforcement Unit

Enforcement v. Discipline

ENFORCEMENT - Concerned with practice of professional engineering by non-engineers, improper use of engineering titles by non-engineers, and unauthorized independent practice by engineers without a C of A.

DISCIPLINE – Handles complaints against licensed engineers for incompetence, negligence, or professional misconduct.

Enforcement Unit

Employer relations & use of titles

The purpose of title protection is to make it clear who is a licensed engineer. Improper use of “engineer” in job title can be confusing.

Be polite. Explain why you can’t call yourself an engineer yet.

Get in touch with us. We will happy to explain it to your employer.

Enforcement Unit

DO’s• DO call us (if you hear

about a person wrongfully calling themselves an engineer).

• DO practice professional engineering (under the proper supervision).

• DO read the Professional Engineers Act.

DON’Ts• DON’T call yourself an

engineer.• DON’T forget that the

engineer you work for is responsible for your actions.

• DON’T rely on other people’s interpretation of the Act.

Enforcement Unit

Enforcement hotline

416-840-1444 or 1-800-339-3716, Ext. 1444

Use of the enforcement hotline

For inquiries or to report instances of unlicensed practice, illegal title use or unauthorized practice.

Licensing Requirements

• Acceptable engineering education;

• Professional Practice Examination;

• Good character (i.e. no criminal record);

• References (all supervisors & a minimum of one P.Eng.);

• 48 months acceptable engineering experience (12 months must be within a Canadian jurisdiction)

PEO Licensure Flow DiagramCEAB Applicant

Academic Assessmentimbedded in the program

CEAB ApplicantAcademic Assessment

imbedded in the program

Non- CEAB ApplicantAcademic Assessment

By PEO required in the ACT

Non- CEAB ApplicantAcademic Assessment

By PEO required in the ACT

Does not meet Requirements File Closed Does not meet Requirements File Closed P.Eng License

conferred

P.Eng Licenseconferred

Write Technical Exams Write Technical Exams

Exempt from Technical Exams

Exempt from Technical Exams

Assigned TechnicalExams

Assigned TechnicalExams

OptionalERC Interview

OptionalERC Interview

Experience AssessmentAfter completion of a minimumof 48 months of work experience

Experience AssessmentAfter completion of a minimumof 48 months of work experience

Professional Practice ExamMandatory for all

Applicants – no exceptions

Professional Practice ExamMandatory for all

Applicants – no exceptions

OptionalStaff Referral

Interview

OptionalStaff Referral

Interview

or

Exams waived

FailureToattemptPPEWithinTimelimitOr passPPEwithin 3attempts

Fail

MoreExperienceRequired

AcceptableExperience

PassNot waived

2 yearlimit to

attempt PPE

Professional Practice Examination

• 3 hours total - Part A (Ethics), Part B (Law)• 4 essay-style questions per section, similar structure

each time• Exam samples available for purchase from PEO• April, August & December sittings• Locations throughout Ontario & embassies around

the world

Engineering Experience

5 Required Elements:• Application of Theory

• Practical Experience

• Management of Engineering

• Communication Skills

• Social Implications of Engineering

Application of Theory

• Refer to specific engineering principles

• What options are available to you?

• What important parameters did you consider?

• Why is the selected method appropriate under the circumstances?

Practical Experience

• What considerations did you have to make due to real world conditions?

• What codes and standards did you use as part of your engineering work?

• Why was it necessary to refer to these – what is the basis for these?

• How did limitations of time, material, personnel, etc. affect your engineering work?

Management of Engineering

• These are the business aspects of engineering, such as:– Planning;– Scheduling;– Budgeting

• How do these concepts fit into the engineering work that you do?

• Are you responsible for controlling any of these that affect other members of the team?

• Have your responsibilities increased in this area? How?

Communication Skills• How do you report your work?• Any written reports? Who receives these?• Opportunities for presentations?• Participation in meetings?• Any examples of having to promote your

engineering ideas through a reporting mechanism? What was the result?

Social Implications of Engineering

• What are the potential effects, both positive and negative, of the engineering project?

• How are negative effects mitigated?• Who are the end users of the engineering work?

Were they consulted on the project? How?• What involvement have you had in the process?

Pre-Graduation ExperiencePre-Graduation Experience

Reg. 941 33. (1) 3.Reg. 941 33. (1) 3. Eligible for up to 12 months credit;Eligible for up to 12 months credit; After completing 50 % of course workAfter completing 50 % of course work Not eligible for the required 12 months Not eligible for the required 12 months

of Canadian jurisdictional experienceof Canadian jurisdictional experience

PEO PolicyPEO Policy Related to course and career;Related to course and career; Assessed after 12 months post-Assessed after 12 months post-

graduate experience.graduate experience.

Engineering Master’s or PhDEngineering Master’s or PhD

PEO PolicyPEO Policy Completed degrees - 12 months experienceCompleted degrees - 12 months experience Same discipline or closely related to your Same discipline or closely related to your

bachelor of engineering degreebachelor of engineering degree Only one degree appliesOnly one degree applies Not eligible for the required 12 months of Not eligible for the required 12 months of

Canadian jurisdictional experienceCanadian jurisdictional experience

Applied Research

• Industry supported:– Company requests and sponsors research;– Company must have immediate practical use for

the research; and– P. Eng. from company must be a referee;– Only time worked at company location under

supervision of P.Eng. Referee can be credited.

• Can count for 12 months of Canadian engineering experience

Experience Assessment Tools

Required:• Summary of experience provided by the

candidate (may also include earlier EIT reviews/guidance and subsequent response by candidate)

• Referees’ evaluations covering all reported time periods (may also include follow-up discussions with referees)

Optional:• ERC and/or Staff referral interviews (if items 1 or 2

above are not satisfactory or complete)

Example of Experience Layout

Name & LocationName & Location

of of

EmployerEmployer

From From

(MM/YY)(MM/YY)ToTo

(MM/YY)(MM/YY)NumberNumber

ofof

MonthsMonths

ABC, Toronto , ON, CanadaABC, Toronto , ON, Canada 02-200402-2004 04-200704-2007 39 39 (at least (at least 12 required)12 required)

XYZ, UK, LondonXYZ, UK, London 08-199508-1995 12-200112-2001 77 77 (only 36 (only 36 will be will be allowable)allowable)

Master at MNL, UniversityMaster at MNL, University 01-199401-1994 07-199507-1995 1919(only 12 will (only 12 will be be allowable)allowable)

Engineering Experience Record

• Not a Resume;

• Include specific engineering work that you performed;

• Explain the nature of problems you solved;

• Identify design/analysis factors you considered;

Referee Requirements

Minimum legal requirement: one P. Eng.

supervisor for one year*

– Ideal goal: one direct P. Eng. supervisor plus another P. Eng. familiar with your work, per place of employment, over the entire 48 months.

– Supervisors must be sufficiently familiar with the details of the candidate’s work

*Note: If this is all that is provided, an experience interview will be arranged.

Cross-Discipline

PEO’s Concern: Work experience is not in compliance with educational background

• Must provide us with evidence of educational courses or training to bridge the gap between your educational background and the work undertaken

Sales, Marketing and Patent Activities

PEO’s Concern: Little or no requirement for engineering expertise and/or opportunity to practice engineering training autonomously

• Must provide us with specific examples of hands-on involvement and contribution to solving the clients problems

• Describe to us your engineering thought processes, rather than simply promoting employers’ equipment/products

Project Management and Supervision

• PEO’s Concern: business role not requiring engineering training

• The Candidate should demonstrate through specific examples that his/ her role includes solving engineering technical problems that the subordinates are not able to, instead of delegating all technical problems

Quality Engineering Experience

• PEO Concern: Inspections/testing/ for verification purposes only, is technician level

• Must demonstrate involvement with process design modifications as a result of findings of non-conformances, including the application of engineering analysis or calculations

Licensure Unit

Assessment Tools:

• Summary of experience presented by the candidate

• Referees’ Evaluations and interaction with referees

• ERC interviews (ARC and/or Staff referrals)

Licensure Unit

Referee Requirements:

• All direct supervisors

• Minimum legal requirement: one P. Eng. supervisor for one year*

• Ideal goal: one direct P. Eng. supervisor plus another

P. Eng. familiar with your work, per place of employment, over the entire 48 months.

• *If this is all that is provided, an experience interview will be arranged.

Licensure Unit

Professional Engineers who serve as Supervisors or Referees are expected to:

• Provide guidance, encouragement and support to the candidate

• Be familiar with the candidate’s work through direct supervision or ongoing contact

• Be able to attest that the work experience qualifies within the five established criteria

• Confirm that 48 months of experience as well as other P. Eng. requirements are met

Licensure Unit

Staff Referrals:• Cross-discipline candidates• Sales Representatives• Supervision and coordination• Project management including Planning,

Scheduling and Cost Estimation• Technician-level work including inspection and

testing for verification purposes only (QA/QC)• Teaching/Research without industrial

application

EIT Program

• Use of EIT title (serious about licensing);• Inclusion in PEO members directory;• Met academic qualifications;• Review of work experience;• Individual guidance;• Engineering Dimensions;• Participate in local Chapters; • Eligible to join OSPE and take advantage of

their Career Centre & other member services (insurance and investment plans)

SMP - ObjectivesSMP - Objectives

• Increase Increase level of professional awareness & level of professional awareness & behaviourbehaviour

• PromotePromote better communication between better communication between students and the engineering communitystudents and the engineering community

• StandardizeStandardize the delivery of PEO’s programs the delivery of PEO’s programs and activities to studentsand activities to students

• Provide a seamless transition from student Provide a seamless transition from student through to licensed P.Eng.through to licensed P.Eng.

SMP - BenefitsSMP - Benefits

• Link to the engineering community through on-Link to the engineering community through on-line information, Engineering Dimensions line information, Engineering Dimensions Magazine (see your EngSoc office on campus), Magazine (see your EngSoc office on campus), Chapter involvement & surveysChapter involvement & surveys

• Questions about engineering answered through Questions about engineering answered through your web connection to PEOyour web connection to PEO

• Participation means that your voice is heard Participation means that your voice is heard and you & your opinions are counted!and you & your opinions are counted!

• FREEFREE

Financial Credit Program (FCP)

• CEAB Graduate Students

• PEO will waive Lic. Application fee

• FREE EIT Membership – First Year

• Must apply on-line within six months of Grad.

• www.peo.on.ca/FCP/FCP1.html

EIT Program Information

Manoj Choudhary, P.Eng.Manager, Prelicensing Programs

Jeannette Chau, P.Eng.

EIT Officer

www.peo.on.ca