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The ATF is looking to speed up its caseload with an automated database for searching individualslike thesecadets during a 2010 civilian training session and discovering the relationships betwe

them.Photo: ATFThe ATF doesnt just want a huge database to reveal everything about you with a few keywords. Itwants one that can find out who you know. And it wont even try to friend you on Facebook first.According to a recent solicitation from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, bureau is looking to buy a massive online data repository system for its Office of StrategicIntelligence and Information (OSII). The system is intended to operate for at least five years, and able to process automated searches of individuals, and find connection points between two or moindividuals by linking together structured and unstructured data.

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Primarily, the ATF states it wants the database to speed-up criminal investigations. Instead ofrequiring an analyst to manually search around for your personal information, the database shoulobtain exact matches from partial source data searches such as social security numbers (or evenjust a fragment of one), vehicle serial codes, age range, phonetic name spelling, or a general arewhere your address is located. Input that data, and out comes your identity, while the computerautomatically establishes connections you have with others.Many other specific requirements are also to be expected for a federal law enforcement agency:

searching names, phone numbers, nationwide utility data and reverse phone searches. The datawill then be collected to help out during investigations and provide relevant information andintelligence products. Theres no hint the database is to be used to track gun sales, which is a bigpart of the ATFs job, as the bureau is prohibited by lawfrom establishing a centralized electronicdatabase for gun purchases.Its necessary to note, however, that the ATF already does most of these things. Tracking down yoidentity, financial data, and finding connections between you and your kinfolk your relatives,friends and business associates is what criminal investigations are all about. And the bureausintelligence analysts already use a number of databases to help piece this information together.But hunting through them for information thats relevant and timely is a mind-numbing and time

consuming job. Many of these tasks are performed manually, the solicitation states, resulting inlonger turnaround times on important information and intelligence research and analysis requestThe bureau wants this new system to do all that gathering and research automatically. Which soulike a good deal, in theory, allowing federal investigators to more easily bust criminals during a hocase. It could potentially give the investigators a lot more information than your sense of privacymay be comfortable with, or information not strictly relevant to a case. At the same time, the ATFwidely perceived as aweak, stagnant and underfunded agency. Even if it has a database that cantrack you down and find out who your friends are, it wont necessarily be able to apply that to tracgun transactions due to Congressional restrictions. If the agency finds a gun linked to a crime, andthen traces the gun to someone who bought it from someone else, all of that work figuring out the

whos-who will still likely have to be done manually.A follow-up document from the ATF clarifies a few things. The database will not consolidatemultiple databases the ATF already has access to like LexisNexis and Thomson Reuters. Thebureau is seeking to buy an existing database system and not fund the development of a completenew one. And it has to be reliable and work all the time. That includes 24-hour tech support foragents pulling those coffee-fueled all-nighter investigations. Its also not an anti-terrorism tool anisnt intended to quickly respond to problems, threats, etc.But putting the ATFs problems with tracing guns aside, it could still help agents track you down alot faster than they could before along with finding out everything else about you.Related

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Joey Valentine 3 days ago

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

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Freemon Sandlewould a day agoJoey Valentine

Bunch of adrenaline junkies join ATF. True story: Guys seek out ATF table at job fair saying

"They want to bust down doors"

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Snoop8765 2 days agoJoey Valentine

Yep

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Sue Miller a day agoJoey Valentine

Excellent Constitutional concept!

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Paul Lucero 3 hours agoJoey Valentine

Don't laugh this is the same ATF Gang that burn people to death in their homes because

they can. Evil is not a strong enough description of this team of people without morals!

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Robin Rhyne 7 hours agoJoey Valentine

Kinda funny but very kinda true.

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reallyniceguy 3 days ago

How nice. The "heroes" of Waco back again. This Federal agency needs to go away.

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Cowboydroid 3 days agoreallyniceguy

This sounds like an unreasonable search to me, and thus a violation of the 4th Amendment.

No need to wait for the courts to bust the feds. They took the power from you illegally. Take it ba

from them.

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ss396 2 days agoCowboydroid

The courts ARE the feds. Don't expect them to bust themselves.

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ErnieGjr 2 days agoCowboydroid

You beat me to it with your comment. Yours was more succinct, while mine was

more long-winded. My compliments.

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manofsan 3 days agoreallyniceguy

Department of Pre-Crime wants to conduct surveillance on you in advance of that crime

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Maximillian Cunningham a day agomanofsan

Yeah, and let's continue to fight and kill people worldwide to

protect OUR and extend our precious and very special freedumb !

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Dem Slow 2 days agoreallyniceguy

Don't forget those "heroes" also were responsible for murders at Ruby Ridge.

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Robert Fowler 3 hours agoDem Slow

That was the FBI. Vicky Weaver's murder was a FBI sniper.

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Charles Hammond Jr 2 days agoreallyniceguy

Don't forget gunwalker.

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OG_Locc 3 days agoTeresa Phillip

Die spammer.

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Agnon Mema 2 days agoOG_Locc

Just flag and ignore.... Do Not Feed The SPAMMERS.

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Scott McCain 3 days ago

This has been in the works for longer than people realize. I worked for a company back in the

early 00's that had contracts with scary organizations with three letter initials. They created a product t

was touted as a text classifier, but it was really a sophisticated graph analysis program that looked at t

relationships between words and letters to try to see if there was any coded information. It made use o

complex neural networks and graph based analysis tools. It wasn't a garden variety "text classifier" by

any measure.

Along comes social networks that make the job of programs like that so much easier. Instead of havin

scour unrelated sites and try to mash together unstructured data, social networks, FB chief among the

provide us the data in a nice, friendly API. We can extract the data and relationships and run analysis o

those relationships today.

Of course, that data is limited to your personal data (or the data of users who have authorized your

application), but this is much more sinister. This is the gathering of information without your knowledge

which is tantamount to domestic spying. Just saying....

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Magnum Opus 3 days agoScott McCain

The Feds have been doing this since their inception it is called Human Intelligence or

HUMINT for short. They send their people into loose social circles then work their way back like

candiru. Then the feds create digital dossiers which converts the HUMINT into SYSINT(SYStem

INTelligence) which can zip around the globe to wherever it is needed with all the case data integ

held high for perpetual storage. Now, systems are proactively searching for HUMINT via electron

transactions and are updating themselves to stay current.

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RESISTANCE 2 days agoMagnum Opus

When I worked in HUMINT, it was always involved gathering information on FOREIGN

citizens, not our own. This is an Orwellian nightmare coming to life.

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Magnum Opus 2 days agoRESISTANCE

This is the result of big government at work in times where American freedoms

are under assault. You haven't seen nothing yet.

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Thomas Varghese a day agoRESISTANCE

Are you kidding? Its been here for a while, most people just haven't noticed

since most people are not black, hispanic, arab, asian, etc. Besides most people thin

will not happen to them since they have not done anything that bad that to warrant su

scrutiny.

As the folks from the NSA said "we do not monitor calls within the US", what they did

say was "we do not record calls within the US". Not much of a difference to most of u

But they are telling the "truth".

They are even keeping track of comments posted to news sites. So these will go on o

records.

The really sad part is most folks don't care that private corporations are tracking them

everywhere. They can't make the simple connection that the govt. can get those reco

with a phone call or less.

Oh well, we are all just a bunch of sleeping sheep.

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MustBeSaid 2 days agoMagnum Opus

Illegal is illegal. Doesn't matter how long the government has been doing the illegal

activity. There are laws against the collecting of dossiers on innocent citizens. Period.

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Magnum Opus 2 days agoMustBeSaid

Illegal or necessary evil? There must be a monumental calamity coming our

way, with the potential to dwarf 9/11 in order to justify collecting personal dossiers on

innocent American citizens. You don't invest the expensive time intensive resources

involved to individualize the populace of an entire country unless the threat is so clea

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Happeh 2 days agoMagnum Opus

"You don't invest the expensive time intensive resources involved to

individualize the populace of an entire country unless the threat is so clear"

Or unless the effort is really being done on behalf of the foreign country that controls

America, and then gathering intelligence on Americans makes perfect sense.

Everything must be known about the occupied peoples so they cannot rise up and

retake their country from the foreign invaders that now control it.

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burntneal 3 days agoMagnum Opus

***INT typically refers to collection methods not types of information and certainly not

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Redhawke 6 hours agoburntneal

"INT", is the acronym for Intelligence, or Intel for short. The types of collections

are defined by HUM (human, personal contact) or by other means, such as SIGINT

(communication devices like cell phones, internet, radio frequencies etc), there are a

more that I cannot think of right now, but contrary to most popular belief, the Govt ha

had and will continue to have intel on it's population. Is it illegal to collect dossiers on

USA citizens? Not with the existence of Patriot Act, National Defense Authorization A

and anything else signed off on by the Dept of Homeland Security (AKA Big Brother).

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craniac a day agoMagnum Opus

I know it's wrong, but this sounds like really interesting work.

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f0rtylegz 3 days ago

This is sick. America, Americans are terrorized. We have a gigantic military, we have a massive

police and prison system. We have millions of Americans working in "security." And yet we are so afrai

so paranoid, that we can't make sense of our lives, and environment.

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I. M. Sirius 3 days agof0rtylegz

Welcome to the realit :-) Next level is not to listen to those who will call ou conspirac

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theorist.

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EntropyMan 5 hours agoI. M. Sirius

Reynolds Wrap available at all grocery stores.

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kikimonster 3 days ago

What's amazing to me is not the incredible expanion of govt intrusion into our life under the

Obama campaign. What is amazing to me is that the same trolls who screamed bloody murder about

completley innocuous legislation such as the Patriot Act and insisted they were losing their rights (des

never once having been able to articulate exactly what rights those were) are no completely silent on

issues like the NDAA of 2012 and other gross violations of the Constitution.

I'm guessing that it's because all those people voted for Obama so now they are too embarrassed to s

anything.

What cowards.

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DrDean 2 days agokikimonster

I don't think it's that they are embarrassed as much as they are combination of

brainwashed, deluded and corrupt enough to let the government do whatever it wants as long as

gives them "free" stuff.

I wish it were just that these people are too embarrassed.. that could be cured.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, th

have more need of masters."

-- Benjamin Franklin

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Bill Gryan 2 days agokikimonster

Remember how they screamed about Guantanamo Bay, golf games, foreign wars? Now

they're silent.

They are people without principles. Whatever dear leader tells them is right is right, and it can

change from week to week. That's what's really scary about the average Obama voter.

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bannedforselfcensorship 2 days agoBill Gryan

4 legs good! 2 legs better!

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MustBeSaid 2 days agokikimonster

Yep, Obama is pure garbage but he's only the latest in a line of human trash Presidents.

He's certainly the most bold about invasion of privacy and civil liberties.

America's enemies are dirt poor terrorist groups, 3rd world countries and drug cartels that only e

because of our war on drugs. Yet somehow we need security measures that go far beyond whathad in the Cold War or even during WWII? How does that make any sense?

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PeteEllis 2 days agoMustBeSaid

Not dirt poor at all, you would be shocked at their financial resources.The war on

drugs has nothing to do with this.

Don't confuse being dirt poor with living in shit up to your ears. The bad guys like third wor

countries because they can operate more freely. They do live in shit up to their ears but tha

where the foot soldier recruits are living.

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Gary Bradford a day agoMustBeSaid

Are you saying, rich terrorists are better than poor terrorists?

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Ronin 2 days agokikimonster

I think that's more in your mind. Anecdotally, I've seen just as many who are against thisnow, who were against it then. And there are degrees of it. Team O has cranked it up to "11".

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Maximillian Cunningham a day agokikimonster

Ahh no, make that TOO STUPID !

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bobbknight 3 days ago

Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast and Furious, The BATFE needs more power to do more good work.27

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Agnon Mema 2 days agobobbknight

I hope you meant that as sarcasm......

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bryancostanich a day agoAgnon Mema

of course he did. that's why he referenced specific fuckups.

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Magnum Opus 3 days ago

Well isn't this nice? ATF wants to database who your personal friends are now, for what

purposes exactly?

I saw this coming down the pipeline with Facebook back in 2003-2004. The ATF probably figured out t

out of the 1 billion plus Facebook dumbasses whom a fifth of them are American, they could slip right

the Facebook bandwagon by creating a database that will index personal associations for various

'assessment opportunity work', and the dumbasses wouldn't mind at all! Which most will not mind.

Brilliant!

I see how by registering with this huge federal endpoint database you could easily be found with the

internet drastically shrinking the 6 degrees of separation down to 3 degrees, but nothing more. This giv

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Robert 2 days agoMagnum Opus

So how many Facebook apps and games are fronts for the feds? They want you to give

them access to your friends list in order to play. From there they have access to FB to monitor

everything you post. Just like if you sign in here to Discus with your FB login..

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Areign a day agoRobert

Zero apps are fronts for the feds, apps are unnecessary for them.

They have national security letters (NSL) which any agent possessing a high-school

education, GED or better can write. "Give me data because I say I need it." There are no

checks and balances on these, the agent isn't required to spell all the words correctly.

Why sneak in the backdoor with their own app when they can walk in the front door of

Facebook or any company designing an app holding a poorly photocopied letterhead and

hand written note.

Your point is well-taken but they are 5 steps ahead of you already.

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TMLutas 2 days ago

Why don't we have a massive online database of government employees to spot the nepotism

and other corrupt connections? I'd be happy to fund that one first.

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Bill Gryan 2 days agoTMLutas

Or even easier, a database of Congressmen's stock trading activity correlated to the days

that financial legislation is passed?

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TMLutas 2 days agoBill Gryan

Why not both? It's the 21st century. In the US the people rule, why not give them the

data tools to properly judge and exercise their power?

I'm actually working on the problem:

http://www.citizenintelligence...

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