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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013 What is the right balance between respecting evidence and living in the real world? Professor Anne Glover CBE Chief Scientific Adviser to the President of the European Commission

Prof Anne Glover: What is the right balance between respecting evidence and living in the real world?

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium 2013 – Credibility Across Cultures: expertise, uncertainty and the global politics of scientific advice, 6-7 February 2013. Professor Anne Glover CBE, Chief Scientific Adviser to the President of the European Commission keynote lecture.

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Page 1: Prof Anne Glover: What is the right balance between respecting evidence and living in the real world?

STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

What is the right balance between respecting evidence and living in the real world?

Professor Anne Glover CBE Chief Scientific Adviser

to the President of the European Commission

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

European leaders will discuss tomorrow whether to spend 80 billion Euro for research

and innovation

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

Science and technology are part of everybody’s life

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

We accept the benefits – do we accept the risks?

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Estimated deaths per Terawatt hour

Percentage of world energy production

Source: www.susannahertrich.com

Risk perception and evidence are two different things

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Risk perception influences public opinion and, hence,

behaviour of politicians

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Societal perception of GMOs

Society A: GMOs are safe unless proven unsafe

Society B: GMOs are unsafe unless proven safe

Society C: GMOs are unsafe even if proven safe

Society D: GMOs are unsafe especially if proven safe

Society E: GMOs are safe even if proven unsafe

(taken from A. Golikov)

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“GMO-free” municipalities in Flanders, Belgium

Source: Guy van den Eede

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Member States voting on EFSA scientific opinion

GMO approval

Source: EuropaBio, Approvals of GMOs in the European Union, Oct. 2011

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Salient points of EU GMO policy

• A rigorous safety assessment by the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) based on the best possible science

• Post-market monitoring

• Labelling of GMOs and derived food and feed products at all stages (when present above 0.9%)

• Traceability from the point of production or import down to the table and vice versa

• Co-existence between organic, traditional and GM plant from the seed throughout the production chain

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

Do we trust scientific evidence?

www.climatepedia.org

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Source: Eurobarometer, Special Edition 340 “Science and Technology” (2010)

Public support for science is decreasing

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“Because of their knowledge, scientists have a power that makes them dangerous”

Source: Eurobarometer, Special Edition 340 “Science and Technology” (2010)

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Scientific evidence is sound and peer-

reviewed.

It evolves over time, but it doesn’t change from one government

to the next.

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

• The world has become much more complex (and, hence, confusing)

• The pace of technological change has increased

• People believe that "unwanted" new

technologies can be somehow de-invented

• Lack of information about the benefits of new technologies vis-à-vis the risks

So what’s the problem then?

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Why do we always discuss risk assessments - Why not discuss reward assessments?

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As a society we need to take risks to make progress

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Source: European Commission

If we don't take the risk, others will take it!

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The risk: Spending billions of pounds for a machine that smashes particles

Large Hadron Collider, Geneva

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The reward: an unplanned "collateral" invention

that has changed our lives

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We need to put risk in relation to reward to be able to take

informed decisions

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Communication is the key

• Scientists need to show empathy for public concerns

• Scientists need to be honest about the facts they have and those they don't have

• Scientists need to communicate much more proactively – otherwise lobby groups will fill the void

• Scientists need to speak a language everybody understands

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But you always need two to tango: We also need politicians who…

• are open to listen to the scientific evidence

• don’t cherry-pick just the science that suits their view of the world

• are transparent about their motivation when – for whatever good reason – they choose to ignore the evidence

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All fine, but:

Scientists love uncertainty, while politicians hate it

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What can science do about it?

• Reduce uncertainty as far as possible

• Communicate uncertainty by using illustrative examples

• Offer options for action rather than claiming to have the ultimate solution

• Flag where there is strong consensus in the scientific community, without ignoring minority opinions

Old style of communicating

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Scientific consensus is a powerful tool

Banning Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs)

Banning Dichlorodiphenyl- trichloroethane (DDT)

Banning Asbestos

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Example: Revision of the Biofuels Directive in the light of scientific evidence

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The science-policy interface needs translators who are respected

on both sides to advise on what is consensus and what not

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STEPS Centre Annual Symposium, University of Sussex, 6 Feb 2013

Wouldn't it be nice if each EU Member State had a Chief Scientific Adviser or its equivalent?

Government Chief Scientific Advisers in the EU / EU Member States

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It costs a lot of efforts to generate scientific evidence.

We shouldn't waste it.

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E-mail: [email protected] Twitter: EU_ScienceChief

Thank you for your attention!