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ProjectCamelotFuturetalk5:TimeforTruthBobDean,HenryDeacon,AlfredWebreBarcelona,Spain,26July2009

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BILLRYAN(BR):ThisisBillRyanandKerryCassidyfromProjectCamelotandthedateis...wecannevergetthedateright!Whatsthedate?

KerryCassidy(KC):The26th.


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BR:The26thofJuly,2009.WereattheExopoliticsSummitinBarcelona,Spain,anditsourhugeprivilegepersonally,Imustsay...IwanttoaskKerryinamomenttoaddtomyintroductionhere.Imgoingtointroduceyou,AlfredWebre,whosneverappearedoncamerawithusbefore.Alfred,itsaprivilegetobetalkingtoyou.

ALFREDWEBRE(AW):Thankyou.

BR:Ivebeenanadmirerofyoursformanyyears.BobDean,whohasbecomeaveryclosepersonalfriendoverthelastcoupleofyears,andheblamesusentirelyforhisnew-foundpopularityamongalltheyoungladiesintheworldwhoarefollowingExopolitics.[Kerrylaughs]

BOBDEAN(BD):Shameonyou.

BR:ItseitheryouorSeanConnery.Hesjustnotavailableanymore.KC:Allright,absolutely.

BR:Andallthiskiddingnotwithstanding,wewanttointroducesomebodywhowehavepresentedtotheworldoverthelastthreeyears,

somebodywhowealsoknowandlovedearlyandwhosbecomeapersonalfriendforevenlongerthanBobhas.

WevecalledhimHenryDeacon,whichseemedlikeagoodideaatthetime.Icantevenstarttocallhimhisrealname,becauseIcantevenrememberit,because,forme,hesforeverHenry.AndHenry,itisentirelyuptoyouwhetheryouwanttorevealyournameagain.

HENRYDEACON/ARTHURNEUMANN(HD/AN):IlljustsaymynamesArthur[ArthurNeumann].

BR:HisnamesArthur.Okay.Doyouwanttobeandthisisaserious

questiondoyouwanttobeknownasArthurorArt?

HD/AN:Yeah,justArthur,thankyou.ImtiredoftheHenrything.

BR:YouretiredoftheHenrything.Henryisdead.LongliveArthur.

HD/AN:AndCamelot.

BR:AndCamelot,exactly.ItsgotsomethingtodowithKingArthur.

KC:See,hestoleyourname.Thereyougo...inthislife.

BR:Imtakingupvaluabletimehere...becausewereundersome

limitedtimebecauseBobsindemand,asIjustsaid,andhesgottorushofftohisnextappointment.

OneofthereasonswhythisisanimportantconversationisbecauseyesterdayafternoonattheExopoliticsSummitwhenBobDeanwasgivingwhatIhaveputonourwebsiteanddescribedasthemostmagnificentpresentationatanyUFOconferencethatIhaveeverheard,andIllsaythisagainonrecord.Itsfabulousandyoullbelinkedtothathere.


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HewasaffirmingtherealityofbasesontheMoonandMarsandshowingusphotographsthathaveneverbeenshownbefore,asleastasfarasImaware,anditsextremelyimportanttestimony.InaminuteBobwilltellpeople,Imquitesure,howhefeelsnowthatheisunderordersfromsomeone,somewhere,tospeakoutlikehehasntspokenoutbefore.Wesaluteyouforthat.Thisisaverybravethingthatyouredoinganditsincrediblyimportant.

OneofthethingsthatlinksthethreewitnessesthatwehaveherewecancallyouwitnessesissomethingwecoulddubTheMartianConnection,andwiththat,ImgoingtohandovertoKerrybecauseImtalkingtoomuchalready.Kerry...

KC:Okay,well,justholdononesecond.LetsletArthur...

HD/AN:Justsomethingreallysimple,beforeitslipsmymind.IwasjustsittingintheaudienceduringtheconferenceandthecameramanwasnexttomeandsomethingpoppeduponthenewsthatwasonC-SpanthatIsentyou,andIjustwantedtoremindaboutthat.Itwasoneoftheastronautswastalkingaboutthistoo.

KC:BuzzAldrinwastalkingabouthavingwhatwasa...

HD/AN:AmonolithononeofthemoonsofMars.

KC:AmonolithontheMoon.

HD/AN:Andthatjustpoppedupinthelastcouple,threedays.

KC:OntheMoon?

HD/AN:No,onPhobos.

KC:Oh.OnPhobos,onthemoonofMars,right.Okay.Andyouknew

that,right?

HD/AN:Well,no,Iwasntawareofthat.No.

KC:Youwerent?

HD/AN:Ididnt...

KC:Butyoutoldusaboutamonolithatonepoint.Doyourecallthat?

HD/AN:Yes.Ihave.Uhhuh.

BR:Thatwasadifferentmonolith.Theyreallovertheplace.

KC:Thereyougo.[laughs]

HD/AN:IwashopingthatyoudhaveachancetoseeArthurClarkeseveralyearsago.

KC:Oh,wewish!


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HD/AN:But,itjustdidntworkout.

BR:Itdidntworkout.

KC:Actually,itsinterestingyoumentionhimbecausewejusttalkedtoanotherwhistleblowerthismorningandheknewArthurClarke,also,sothetwoofyouhavesomethingelseincommon.

HD/AN:Mmhm.

KC:Okay,sohereweare.ImKerryCassidy,thisisBillRyan.WereProjectCamelot,forthoseofyouthatdontknow,andthisisgoingtobejustsomeopenconversation.Whatwewanttodoistalkaboutthefuture,becausewhatthisreallyis,iswhatwecallaFuturetalk.Itisaconversation.ThatmeansBillandIaregoingdosomethingreallyannoying--weregoingtotalkfromtimetotime,morethannormal.

But,wereallywanttohearfromyouguys.Andwhatwedliketotalkaboutisyourvisionsofwhatscominginthefuture,inthefairly-nearfutureideally,butyoucangoasfaroutasyoudlike.AndwhydontwestartwithAlfredWebre?

AW:Oh,thankyou.Well,Iseethefutureasbeingshapedbytwofundamentalforces,perhapsthree.One[is]aseriesofcosmiccycleswhicharesychronisticallyhappeningatthesametimeduringsolarcycle24,whichis2009to2020,withthesolarmaximumbeingaround2013...2012to2013.

[Two],theTimeAccelerationMatrix,whichisanadaptationoftheMayancalendar,sothataswemoveinto2011,theblackholeatthecenteroftheGalaxy,whichreallymediatesalotofourthoughts,willbeslippingoverintoUniversalConsciousness,non-dualism.

Andfinally,whatsomepeoplecallGalacticgeneticengineering.

ThatisthepoweroftheblackholeatthecenteroftheGalaxyreallykickingintoactivateourDNA,ninety-sevenpercentofwhich,Iunderstand,isnotactivenowtheycallitjunk.

BD:Theycallitjunk,butitisntjunk.

AW:Right,exactly.So,theseareallsortofraisingthecapacityofnotonlythehumanbeings,butofalllivingthings,toanewfrequency,anewunderstanding,anewkindofsocialcontract,ifyouwanttoputitthatway.

KC:Yeah,andIthink,Arthur,youcould,maybe,talktothatbecause

youmighthaveadifferent...Idontknowifyoucallyourselfaphysicistofficially.

HD/AN:No,no.

KC:But,youcertainlyhavesomeexpertiseinthatarea.

HD/AN:Well,Idonthaveexpertise.But,insomeofwhatyoujustsaid,youtooksomeofthewordsoutofmymouth,soyoualreadysaidsomeofwhatIwouldhavesaidaboutallthese,well,asDavid


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Wilcockstalking.HesmakingamoviecalledConvergence,andthisiswhatshappening.Allthesevariousthingsarealljustconverging.

Iwaslookingatalittlechildyesterday,alittlegirl,andseeinghereyesandIjust...Icouldseethedifference,youknow,ofthenextgenerations.Youcanseeit,eveninsomeone,maybe,20yearsold,thattheyrealreadyveryadvanced,consciouslyadvanced.

BR:Arthur,whenwemetyouforthefirsttime,whichisalmostthreeyearsago,Iremembervery,veryclearlythatthisisoneofthefirstthingsthatyoutoldus.Yousaidthebigissuerightnowisthateverythingishappeningatonceorjustaboutto.

HD/AN:Yes.

BR:Canyoudelineate,canyoulist,whatarethosefactorsthatarehappeningatonce?Justsopeopleknowwhatwerelookingfor.

HD/AN:Well,thephysicalfactorsalreadyjustmentioned:Thecyclicfactors,verylongcyclesandshortcycles;theeffectofthestar,theSun,here...thespectralchangesintheSun,andthingsthatIguesscantbemeasured.Idontknow.Forme,itsanintuitivetypeoffeelingandnotascientificthing.Imnotsure.

BR:But,therearethingsthatyouhavebeenbriefedon.

KC:Well,youvealreadytalkedtheenvironment.Youtalkedaboutwhatwasplannedintermsofvirusesthatwereplantedaroundtheworld,sortofliketimebombssomewhat.Andyoualsotalkedaboutaroll-outthatwouldaffectoureconomy,etc.,etc.HD/AN:Well,thesearedifferentfromthechanges...Okay,ImentionedNoveltyTheory,whichTerenceMcKenna,whosdeceasednow,wholivedontheBigIslandofHawaii,Ibelieve.Hetalkedabout,hehad,Iguess,acalculationforit,andthatmathematicalequationcanbefoundontheInternet,I

guess.Andyoucanseethatitcomesdowntozeroat2012approximately,fromwhatIremember.

KC:Andthatmeanswhat?Thatnoveltygoesdowntozero?

HD/AN:Well,Novelty.Itbecomesmorenovel,inmyopinion.

KC:Okay.ThatswhatImasking.

HD/AN:Yeah.Tomeitmeansmorenovel...well,noveltomemeans--Iwouldlaugh,youknow,aboutit,butitsnot--Idonthavethewords.Idonthavetheabilitytoputthingsintowordsthatsomeof

thesegentlemendo,toputthingsinwords.

BR:Letmeinterpretthisforyou,thenyoucancheckmyreflection.

HD/AN:Allright.

BR:IreadabookcalledFutureShockbyAlvinTofflermany,manyyearsago,whosaidthattherateofchangeisaccelerating.

HD/AN:Ohyeah.


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BR:So,youvegotalogarithmicchangehere,suchthateverythingisstartingtochange.

HD/AN:Exactly.

BR:Anditsliketherearestatistics,whichIcantquoteoffhand,butitslike99percentofalltheinnovationsinhumanhistoryhavehappenedinthelastyear.

HD/AN:Yeah.

BR:Orsomethinglikethat.Andthewholethingisgoingvertical.

HD/AN:Myfeelingisthat,asofabouttwomonthsago,justbecausetheresnodirectmarker,thatmaybetwomonthsago,whenIstartedweaningmyselfoffofmorphineforfouryears...

BR:Because?Youwereonmorphinebecause...?Justfortherecord.

HD/AN:Idontknowhowtosayit.Theycouldntcomeupwithanylabteststhatwereconclusive,soitwasbyexclusion,andtheysaiditwasjustaperipheralneuropathyandexhaustion.But,thatallhappenedsuddenlywhenIleftmylastclassifiedwork,justcoincided

withthat.Whatitmeans,nobodyknows;theressomeguessing.

BD:Isntthataninterestingcoincidence?

HD/AN:Yes.

KC:Iwasgoingtosay:whatacoincidence!

HD/AN:But,whenIsaidgood-byesuddenlyandranaway,insteadofthemcontrollingme,andthen,Ihadthisshock,shockstomysystem.

But,thethingis,abouttwomonthsago,somethinginmysubconscious...Ihadjustbeenwaitingpatiently,basicallyinbedin

thisroomforthreeorfouryearsinseverepain,screaminginpaineverydayalmost...andBillexperiencedpushingmearoundinawheelchaironetime.But,Ithought:Justbepatient.Bepatient,and,usingthemind,Igotthroughthat.

Then,twomonthsago,somethingtoldme:Youhavetostopthis.Nooneelseisgoingtoweanyouoffthismedicine.So,ImadeaspreadsheetoutandeveryhourofthedaythatIwastakingit,becauseIlostoftrackofhowmuchIwastaking.Itwaslike180milligramsofmorphine,probably,aday.Itwasoutofcontrol.Andsosomething

said:Youneedtoweanyourselfoffnow...andIdontwishthatonanyonetodothat.

But,Igotoffslowlyandtwodays,approximatelytwodaysbefore,allofasudden,theZurichConferencehappened,whichwasaweekorsoago?IhadjustweanedmyselfoffandIdidntevenknowaboutgoingtotheconferenceoranything.Itjusthappened.Sothetimingissuchthatitsamessagetomethat,yeah,nowsthetimewheneverything


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startstoreallymovequickly.

KC:Arthur,Ihavetosayactuallytwomonthsago,Iwouldagreewithyouthatthereseemedtobeatransitionthathappened.Theresnothingmarkedintermsofinthenewsbuttherewasasensethatthingsstartedescalating,almostlikerollingdownhillquicker.ThatwasthesenseIgotanditsinterestingthatyousaythat.Andyoudid;yousortofcameawakeandstartedonthissortofmovethathasputyouonstagetwicenow.

HD/AN:Butsomething...somethingshappenedtowheresomethingthatwasincurable...just,allofasudden,Imcomingbacktonormal.

AW:FromthepointofviewoftheTimeAccelerationMatrix,thatwouldhavebeenthesixthdayoftheGalacticEra,and,inthisparticularwindow,whichgoesfromNovember08toNovember09,therearemany,manysortsofbreakthroughs.

So,ifwereallfeelingthatgeneralbreakthroughfeelinginourindividuallives,thatmaybecomingfromtheprogrammingputoutbytheelectromagneticemanationsfromtheblackholeatthecenteroftheGalaxythattheMayanscalledHunab-Ku,whichisthecenterofall

things.

Isee--andthistoaskinparticularofBobDeanandArthur,becausetheyvedealtsomuchwiththeareaofsecrecy--Ifindmyselfasonewhodidnotcomeupinthecultureofsecrecy,butseesecrecyasoneofthemostpowerfulforcesbetweentheOpenCultureandthisbreakawaycivilizationthatistheSecretCivilization.

Ivefoundoneofthemostconsciousness-raisingaspects,tome,istohearofsecrets,liketheteleportationcorridorstoMars,liketheforwardpositionsonMars,thestargatestoAustralia.Tojustbegintoseeallofthesesecretprogramsisreallyconsciousness-expanding.

KC:Well,exactly.Information...Imeantheinformationitself,justtohearit,likewhathappenedforthesepeopleyesterdayonstagewhenyouwereshowingphotographsthatwerereallyrevolutionary,becausetheyhadbeenhiddenforsolong.Andthentohaveapersonwhoactuallywouldgetuponstageandsay:IvebeentoMarsandhereIam--ahuman.Thatwas,Ithink,mind-expandingfortheaudienceinwaysthatwewontbeabletoeventrace.

BR:Itshistorical,no?

KC:Yeah.And,obviously,IdontevenknowifitllgooutaroundtheworldotherthanbecauseCamelotwilldoourbit,right?But,thisisthekindofthingthatchangesconsciousness.AndoneofthethingsIhavetosayisthatconsciousnesschangesdrastically,allofasudden.Itsnotlikeaslow,gradual...itgoesalong,goesalong,and,fromwhatIunderstand,changeactuallyhappenslikethat[makeshandgestureof90-degreeturnupward].

HD/AN:Well,evengreaterandfasterthanlogarithmic,ismyfeeling.


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BR:Thestepchanges.

HD/AN:Well,Idontknowifthestepchangesornot.Idontknowifitslikethatornot.Butit...digitizedornot.

KC:SoBob,whatwouldyousay?Becauseyouhavekindofalittlemorepragmaticview--correctmeifImwrong,alongwiththespiritualinsight--but,Ithinkyoureseeingthesechangesoryouknowofthingsthatarecomingdownthepikethatareverypragmaticforpeopleslives.

BD:Well,Ifoundsecrecy,actually,tobecorrosivetothehumansoulandthatsoneofthereasonsIhavebeenspeakingoutsobluntlyandsoloudlyoverthelastfewyears.

InoticedamongthemassesofpeoplethatIveconfrontedinconferenceshereandthere,anover-ridingsenseoffear,andthesecrecyhadbeentakingitstollonthosepeople.Theywerefearfulandtheydidntbelievetheyhadafuture.Theybegantothinktherewasnofuture,thatwerealldoomed.

AndoneofthereasonsIcametothisconferenceandIgaveitalotofthoughtbeforeIacceptedtheinvitation,becauseIdontliketravelinganymore.Ireallydontlikeflyinginairplanesanymore.

Icamehereto,Ithink,alleviateinonesmallwaythesecrecythatIhadobservedthatwascorrosivetothehumansoul,andIwantedtotellthepeopleinthisaudienceinparticular...tomeetsomepeoplelikeAlfredhere,whoisamanIverespectedandadmiredforyears.Thereishopeinspiteofallthedarkness,inspiteofallofthefear.

Iwouldliketosaytothepeoplewhoareinterestedandlistening

thatthereisatomorrow.Thereisafuture,andtheyandtheirchildrenandtheirgrandchildrenandsoon,thegenerationsyettocome,do,indeed,haveafutureanditsglorious.Theyvegottoholdontothatsparkofbelief.Theyvegottoholdontothathope.

ThatswhyIquotedTolstoyyesterdaywhenIwasspeaking,whenhementionedthatthereissomethingwithinthehumanspiritthatwillprevailandendure.Theresasparkthatsburninginthehumanheartthatwillnotgoout,nomatterhowdarktheworldeverbecomes.

Ivetriedinmysmallwaytoconveythattothepeople.AndIwassogratifiedattheresponsethatIgot.Theyvecomeuptome,literallybythehundreds.Imean,Isaythisinnonegativeintent,butthey

haventletmealone!

TheideathatIsaidsomethinghopefulintellingthemtheydohaveatomorrow,[that]theyhaveafuture,thattheirchildrenandgrandchildrenwillgotothestars...thatistheonethingthattheyneedtoholdonto.Thereisafuture.Thereisadestinyforthehumanraceinthestars.AndthatswhyImhere.ThatswhyIcametoaddmysmalltwoorthreecentstothiswholething.


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KC:Well,Iwouldalsosaythatanotherthingthatyoutellthemisthattheyhavearighttoknow.

BD:OhGod,theydoindeed!

KC:AndIthinkthatjustgetsafireburninginsidethem.

BD:Well,Ivebeenfurious.Thefireburninginsideofmehaseruptedseveraltimes,anditsdangerous.Myverynature...backwhenIwasaninfantrymanforyearsandyearsandyears,Iwasnotagentleman.Youpushedmybuttons,pushedmejustalittletoofar,Ihadthetendencytobecomesomewhatexplosiveand,needIsay,Ihadatendencytobealittlebitdangerous.

ItsoneofthereasonswhytheBlackOpspeoplehaveleftmealone.[Kerrylaughs]BecauseIputthewordoutthat...youknow,Ihadbeenfollowedinblacksedansforalongtime.AtnightIhadthemidnightphonecalls.Ihadtheblackhelicoptersovermyhouse.

IputoutthewordthatIwasaveteranoftwowars.IsufferedfromPostTraumaticStressSyndrome,andIcouldnotbetrustedemotionally;andifyoupushmealittletoofar,IwasanexpertmarksmanandIcarriedagun.Beware,youknow,youmesswithme,I

mightendupshootingabunchofyouguys.

Andyouknow,theblacklimousinesstoppedfollowingme,theblackhelicoptersdisappeared,andthemidnightphonecallsstopped.So,thewordevidentlygotoutthat...dontpushthisoldbastard,becausehecanbedangerous,yousee?

KC:ExceptyoualsohadWhiteHatsbehindyou.

BD:Ohlisten!Letmetellyou,honey,Ihavealotofgoodfriendsinhighplaces,andIadmittedatthisconferencethingsIvenever

admittedpubliclybefore.Ido,indeed,havegoodfriendsinhighplacesandIsaythatwithalittlebitoftongueincheekbecausethesehighplaces...

KC:Theygoupandupandup.

BD:Theygooutandoutandout,yeah.

HD/AN:Yeah.Theconference...Youknow,forthelastfewweekstheoneswhatevertheyaretheinvisiblepartofthewholethingis...whateveritis,itsverypowerfulandeveryonefeelsitintheconference.Intheconferences,theyreallexpressingthesamefeelings,Ithink,atleast98percent.

BD:Arthur,thehumanraceisaworkinprogress.

HD/AN:Yeah.

BD:Andwhohasbeenrunningthisexperiment?[pointsupward]

HD/AN:Whosbeenrunning...?Yes,well,buttheyvegivenusthefreedom,too,atthesametime.


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BD:Oh,well,youknow,wereanadolescentspecies.Wehaventquitegraduatedyet.

HD/AN:Wejustneedtolearnthatweretoworkasafamilyinsteadoffightingeachother.

BD:Wearenotquiteadultsyet.Wearetroublesomeadolescentsalmostontheedgeofbeingadults...butweregoingtomakeit.

AW:Now,justtopickupthisthreadhere,ofsecrets,andofthedeconstructioninmakingpublicthesecrets,yesterdayhereattheSummit,thehighpointoftheSummitwaswhen,afterBobspoke,andrevealedanumberoffundamentalsecrets,Arthurcameonthestagespontaneouslyandalsorevealedanumberofsecrets.

HD/AN:Notmuch.

AW:No,butImean...

KC:Enough.

AW:Incontext,itwasarevelationthatourSolarSystemisinhabited

andthatEarthispartofthefunctioningsocialsystem.Andthatwasthehighpointofthisconference.Literallytheconsciousnessoftheconferencewasraised.

KC:Acompletechange.

AW:Yes,andthatwasacknowledgedright?bypeople.Peopleacknowledgedthat.Ithink,justasyouwerecomingin,itwasacknowledged.So,ifwetakethis,endingthesecrecy,Ithinkisgoingtobeanimportantfunctionoftheconsciousness-raising,andhavingHenryandBobcomeforthinsettingslikethistorevealsecretswhichtheyvelivedwithforsomanyyearsislikeabaptismtothepeople,andanempowerment.

BR:Yes.

AW:Becausesecretsaredisempowering.

KC:Thatsright.

HD/AN:Bobwasachiefsoulforme,becauseIspoketoBobprivatelyjustmomentarily,becausehedbeenverybusywithalltheseotherpeoplewantingtotalkwithhim,andwehavesomecommonconnectionsthroughouttime,differentplacesweworked...inBelgiumandsuch,andotherplaces.

AndwebothhaveanArmybackground,enlisted,andjustdifferentplacesatdifferenttimes.Butyourelike...itwasaconfirmationtome,youknow.Ifinallymetsomeonethat,youknow,couldkindofreinforcemybackground.And--before--Ifeltalone,youknow.

BD:There,there.Youreingoodhands.Youreingoodhands.[laughter]

Thisexperienceformehasbeen,andIsaythisnotwithanyanimosity,butthisexperiencehasbeenformelikeaCatholicgoing


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toconfession.[laughter]Youknow,theysaythatconfessionisgoodforyoursoul.

Well,speakingbluntlyonsecrecyandsomethingsthathavebeencoveredupforsolong,IfeltanoverwhelmingwaveofrelieftohavefinallygonepubliconacoupleofthingsthatIhavefoundtobefactualandtrue.OneofthemisthatdeepundergroundfacilityoutsideofLasVegaswherethisAirForceColonelfriendofminewentthroughonedoorinNevada,andintwominutes,hewasinPineGap,Australia.

Now,thatkindofsecrecy,thattechnologythatallowsthattohappen,stunspeople.Doyoumeanthatwevedonethat?Wevegotthat?Wecandothingslikethat?Whathavetheybeenkeepingfromus?

KC:Okay,well...

HD/AN:Idontlikeflashingcredentialsoranything,butitsmycredentials.InsidethispassportthatIstolefrommyjob,therejusthappenstobea...whatdoyoucallithere?

KC:Astamp?

HD/AN:Itssosimple.

BR:Canyoushowittothecamera?

HD/AN:Itsastampinherethatsays:ThebearerisamemberoftheciviliancomponentasdefinedbyArticleOneoftheAgreementbetweenAustraliaandUnitedStatesforcesinAustraliasignedatCanberraonMay9,1963.Itsjustoneofthevisas,youknow,inthispassport.ThisonesforJapan.

BR:Couldyoushowjustthefrontofthepassportforthecamera?Itsabrowncover,officialpassport.Itsnotanormalpassport.

KC:Andwedowanttosayforthecamerathatweveactuallybeento...Icantsaywewentinside,buttotheoutsideofthispersonsplaceofwork,oneofthem.Imnotgoingtosaywhereontheglobeitwasoranythingelse,sodontworry,Arthur.ButIwillsaythatwehavegottensubstantialverificationthatArthuriswhohesaysheis.

BR:Iwouldsaytotalverificationasfaraswereableto.

KC:Anditwasquiteextraordinary.

HD/AN:ActuallyItried...Iencouragedthem,whereverthisplacewasatonepointthatwetraveled,IencouragedthemtocomeandmeetthesecuritypeoplewhoIknewbyfirstnameandtheywerekindofreluctanttodothat[laughs]atthatpoint.

BR:Thatwaswhenwewerealittlemorenervousthanwearenow.Whatwediddo,justfortherecord...itwasquitefun.WeaccompaniedArthurintoabarwherethelocalemployeesinthisestablishmentwouldgointheevenings,andwejustsatinacornerandwatchedallhisoldcolleagueswelcomehimandsay:Hey,wehaventseenyoufora


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while.Andthatwasquitefuntodothat.

KC:Yeah.

BR:Anyway...Imalittleconcernedhere,Bob,thatyouwereinterruptedjustnowbecauseyouweretellingthestoryabouttwothingsthatyoufeltgaveyouagreatsenseofreliefwhenyoudisclosedthemyesterday.Oneofthemwastherealityofthestargate,theportal,thewormhole,thejumproom,thenetworksothatyoucouldonemomentbeinArea51,thenextmomentinPineGap.AndthatpromptedArthurtoshowhisAustralianvisainhis...Wasitavisa?

HD/A:Itsavisa.

KC:Morethanthat.

BR:Andthesecondthought?Pleasecontinue,becauseIwanttohearthisone.

BD:Itsamatterofinteresttomeanditalwayshasbeen,thatoneofthelargestnationalsecurityagencyfacilitiesintheworldisatPineGap,butwhatmostpeoplehavenounderstandingofisthat

undergroundatPineGapisoneofthelargestextraterrestrialfacilitiesontheplanet!Ourremoteviewershavebeenlookinginonthatplaceforyearsandyearsandyears.

AndwhatIfoundterriblyamusing--notthattheresthatmuchhumorinthiswholedamnthing--butthatfacilityinAustraliaatPineGapapparentlyisanextraterrestrialR&Rcenter.Andpeoplesay:Whatdoyoumean,R&R?Itsamilitarytermmeaningrestandrelaxation.

AndIthought,howobvious,youknow.Itmakessense.Aliensarehere,havingtodealwiththehumanrace,theyneedrestandrelaxation.

BR:Theyneedsome...

BD:IdealwiththehumanraceandIneedrestandrelaxation!WhichiswhatImgoingtogetwhenIgohometomorrow,yousee.ButIfounditamusing,outofallthefourmajorfacilitiesontheplanet,theoneinAustraliaisanR&Rcenterfortheguysfromoutthere.

BR:Arthur,haveyoubeenthere?Orwouldyouratherfixmewithasteelyeyeandnotanswer?

HD/AN:Well,letstalkaboutsomethingelse![laughter]

KC:Well,letmesaythatyouwerenodding,soIthoughtthatwas...

HD/AN:Iwouldliketosaysomething--itsjustsimple--thatmaybeslightlyoffcoursehere,butacoupleofthings.Oneisweretalkingaboutsecretsandstuff,thatalotofstuffgetsclassifiedSecretorwhatever;justbecauseyouvegotastampthereandyouhavetodosomethingwithit.[Kerrylaughs]Youknow,itsnot...

BD:Theyvegonewildwithit.Theyvegonemad.


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HD/AN:Andtheystampeverythinganditgetsfiledawayandthenithastogetdeclassified,youknow.Itsjustroutinetostampeverything.

BD:TheNavykeepssecretsfromtheArmy.TheArmykeepssecretsfromtheAirForce.TheFBIkeepssecretsfromtheCIA,andthatallledto9/11.Thatswherethesecrecyleads,todisasterslikethat.

HD/AN:Yeah.Andthethingis,someoneneedstointerfacebetweenallthesedifferentgroupsandtryandhelpthemtocommunicatewitheachotherwhilerespectingtheirownboundaries.

KC:Andareyouwillingtoagreewithmethatyouwereoneofthosepeoplethatkindofcrossedsomeofthoselines?

HD/A:Yes.Yeah.

KC:Betweenthevariousagencies?

HD/A:Yes.Mycustomerswerethewholespectrum.

KC:Whichiswhyyoukindofhavethelevelofknowledgeabouttheoverallbigpicture,aswecallit.

HD/AN:ThatswhyImabigpicturepersonandalwaysageneralpersonandnotfocusedinonearea.AndIdidntaskforit,believeme.Itjusthappened.Youknow,youjustgetaphonecallandyoujust...nothingelsebutaphonecall:Wouldyoulikeajob?Yes.Okay.Whatisit?Well,youjusthavetobepatientandfindout.Itsthatkindofthing.

Theotherthingisatsomelevels,peoplearesayingthatthegovernments--likethepresidentsorwhatever,ortheleadersofthecountry--shouldreleasethesesecrets.Buttheyhaventhadaccesstothisinformation.Theygetthetoursofcertainthings,butitsverylimited.Theygettoseeblinkinglightsorwhatever,like...you

know,andthatsasfarasitgoes,asfarasIveeverbeenaware.

BD:Arthur,theincidentinvolvingPresidentCartersomeyearsago,wherethePresidentoftheUnitedStateswastoldbytheDirectorofCentralIntelligence:Mr.President,youdonthaveahighenoughsecurityclassificationforustotellyouallthisinformationand,sir,youdonthaveaneedtoknow.

Now,whowastheDirectorofCentralIntelligenceatthatmoment?GeorgeHerbertWalkerBush,whobecamePresident--thatshowdamnbaditsbecomeovertheyears.Thatshowcorrosivesecrecycanbe,notmerelytothehumansoul,buttotheconstitutionalsystemof

government.Itscorrosiveashellanditsgottostop!AndIknowyouagreewithme.

HD/AN:Yes,thefearthingsgottostopandweneedtoalleviatethefearforpeople,becauseallofthesethings,mostofthethingsthatweseeinthepress,arejustcreatedandplannedlongago--fictitiousenemies.

Thereareenemies,butalotofthemaremanufacturedandsomeofthem


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arentevenreal.Okay?Andtheresalonglist,andtheyrealmostattheendoftheirlist.Theyreattheveryendoftheirlistnow,thetiming,sotheresnothingelse,nomorerabbitstopulloutofthehat.

KC:Waitasecond.Iwanttoactuallysay...[toArthur]whatwasyourlevelofclearance?Becausehis[BobDean]wasCosmicTopSecret.

HD/A:CosmicTopSecret,becausethatsaNATOclassification.

BD:ThatsNATO.Andtherearelevelsabovethat.TherearetwoQclearancesabovethat.

KC:YouhadaQ.

HD/A:MyfirstonewasaQclearance,withcertainletters.

BD:SpecialAccessPrograms.

HD/AN:Yeah,butitwasQclearanceandthatwasthroughtheDepartmentofEnergy,itwastheEnergyResearchandDevelopmentAgency.Beforethat,itwastheAtomicEnergyCommission,andtheykeepchangingnamesandyouhavetokeepreprintingthepaperworkand

everything.Idontknowwhy.

But,yeah,itwasaQclearance,andthenitwentto...basicallyfromthereitvaried.ItwentupanddownfromSecretuptoTopSecretandoveraperiodof30yearsormore.AndthenitendedupwithTopSecretSCIandthenTopSecretwithabunchofletterswhichIstill...Idontknow.Itdoesntmatter.Buttheywere...itwasbasically...

KC:Yourenotsureifyoucantsaywhatitwas.

HD/AN:Yeah...Itdoesntmatter.Itdoesntmatter.

KC:Okay.

BR:IwouldliketoaskbecausethisissortofmeanttobeaFuturetalkasitwere...Ifullyunderstandandagreewithyouwhenyoutalkabouttheagendaofhypingupfearinordertomakepeoplemoreeasilycontrollable.Butletsaskthethreeofyou:Whatisworthbeingconcernedaboutandwhatisadistraction?

Whatshouldwebefocusedonasissuesforthehumanraceinthenextfewyears?Andwhatjustissomethingthatisamisdirect,likeamagicianonastagethatweshouldntevenbeworriedabout,buttheyretryingtogetustothinkthatway?Howcanyouseparatethese

thingsoutforpeople?Thisisareallyimportantopportunitytomakeastatement.

BD:Alfredprobablyisbestqualifiedtoanswerthat.

AW:Well,asageneralanswertothat,Iwouldsaythatanythingassociatedwiththecurrentworldeconomy,whichisaneconomybasedonthemanipulationofthedialecticofenemies,isafundamentaldistraction,sothattheentiretyofthearmsrace,theentiretyofthestrategicbalanceofforcesusingthreatofwar,isadistraction.


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BR:So,dontfallforthewarrhetoric?

AW:Right.Andnumbertwo,theareathatthesegentlemenhaveworkedin,Ithink,isthecuttingedgeofhumanconsciousnessmovingtothenextlevelandthatis...

HD/AN:Ithinkitsyou[whoare]workingintheareaofhumanconsciousness!

AW:Well,no,butunderstandingthatanextraterrestrialpresenceisnotjustanabstraction,but,rather,itsahumanraceverymuchlikeourown...

HD/AN:Itsanextensionofourfamily.

AW:Yeah...thatlivesunderthesurfaceofMars,withwhomoursecretgovernmentnowhascontact.

Andsowehaverights,wehaveinherentrightsinthesamewayIthinkundernaturallaw,whichwillinvokethat,whichwereexpressedinthe

DeclarationofIndependenceoftheUS.

TheywereexpressedintheUSConstitution,theCanadianCharterofRights,intheUniversalDeclarationofHumanRights,variousdocumentsinourterrestrialhumanculture.Andthoseincluderightsassovereigncitizensintheuniverse.Therefore,ifourgovernmentsarenowengagedinlongterm...Imeanthesethingsgobackatleast20or30years.ThatsjustfrompeoplewhoIvetalkedto.

KC:Treatieshavebeenmade...

HD/AN:Ihavetoremindyouthatthegovernments...itsnotthe

Presidentsanddown,orthequeenanddown.Itsagenciesabovethat.So,youcantblamethegovernmentsthatwenormallycallgovernments.

AW:No,no.Sure.But,whetherornottheyaresupragovernments,theyarestillsubjecttonaturallawanduniversallaw,andtheycanbecalledbeforeacourtempoweredundernaturallawtostandtrialforwarcrimes.Butwedontwanttogothatdirection.Thedirectionthatwewanttogoistohavethatsecretworldbecometransparent,andintegratedwithourworld,forwhichwehaveaninherentrightundernaturallaw.

BR:Bob,youhaveyourhandraised.Youwantedtosaysomething?

BD:IsimplymustapologizethatIhaveanappointmentIacceptedforaninterviewinaboutfiveminutesandIdowanttosayImsorry,butIwillhavetotakeleaveofyouillustriouspersonalitieshereforawhile.Ihavetogo.Imsorry,Kerry.

KC:Okay.Itsokay.Isthereanythingyouwanttosaybeforeyouleave,Bob,abouttheendofsecrecyandthebeginningofwhatscomingnext?BecausejustasIwenttogetyoutoday,youwere


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addressingagroupandyousaidtheresgoingtobeinthenext12to18monthssomethingsthatpeopleneedtopreparefor.

BD:Yeah.Well,thegentlemanIwastalkingtowasaneconomistandabitofabankerandhesbeenlookingatthestatistics,thedata,andhesbeenwatchingwhatsbeengoingonintheworldmarketsandhestroubledbywhathesees.Hesconvincedthatwerenotoutofthewoodsyetonthiseconomicthing.HeaskedmewhatdidIhonestlythinkthenextyearorsohadcoming?

Isaid,asIsaidyesterday,wereinforsomebadtimes.Wehavenotseentheworstofityet,andIhatetotellyouthat,butthatstrue.Wehavenotseentheworst.Theothershoehasnotdroppedyet.

TheonlythingIcantellyouisthat,withinthenextyearandahalf,wereinforsomeeventsontheworldscalethatisgoingtomake9/11paleincomparison.Andthatissadandtragic.

Buttoleaveyouwiththis,Imustleaveyouonanup-notefortheviewerswhowillbeseeingthisandasTolstoysaid:Thereisthatsparkthatburnsdeepwithineachofus.Itwillnotgoout,nomatterhowdarktheworldbecomes.

Iwanttoleavethiswiththepeoplewhowillseethistape:Thereisatomorrow,thefutureofthisspeciesisglorious;itisinthestars.Andtheyvegottohavehopeandnotbeafraid.ThatsallIcansayinclosing.

KC:Okay.Thankyou,Bob.

BD:Thankyou,sweetheart.

KC:Itsanhonor,asalways.

BR:Thankssomuch,Bob.

BD:Itsalwaysapleasure.Readthisgentlemansbook.[Ed.note:AlfredWebre,Exopolitics:Politics,Government,andLawintheUniverse]

KC:Absolutely.Yes.Well,Ivereadhiswork.ActuallyIreadhisbookalongtimeago.BeforetheorganizationofExopoliticswasevercreated,thismanhadthevisionofsomething.

BD:Hesatruevisionary.

HD/AN:Yes.

KC:Ohyes,absolutely.Idontthinkpeopleevenrealizethatthat

thismanisatruefuturist,actually.

BD:Well,ifsomeonewouldbekindenough...

KC:And,heshouldbelistenedtointhatway,becausewhathesaystodayisnotoftennotunderstood,butIthinkitsalwaysthekindofthingthatyearsinadvance,yearslater,theyregoingtosayhewasoneofthefirst,ifnotthefirst,incertainareas.Itsagift.

BD:Weneedourprophetsandweneedourvisionaries.Andheresits


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one.

KC:Thatsright.

HD/AN:Ijustfeelthatweneedtorealizethattherestofourfamilyhasbeenherevisitingus,andalsoslightlyofftheplanet,andotherplacesinthere.Theyreinterestedinwatchingandtheywouldnothavesurvivedaslongastheyhaveiftheyhadntgonethroughthistransitionthatwereabouttogothrough.Andso,youhavetorealizethattheyrefriendlyandnotevil,meancreaturesouttherelikeinsomesciencefictionmovies.

BR:Allofthem?

HD/AN:Anyonethatssurvived.Generally,anyonesthatsurvivedthatsworthwhile,Imean,themajority.Otherwisetheywouldhavedestroyedthemselvesbynow.

BR:Yeah.Yourenotsayingthat100%oftheextraterrestrialsracesarefriendly.

HD/AN:Well,theyhaveadifferentwayof...theyhaveadifferent

way.

KC:Someareservice-to-self;someareservice-to-others.Service-to-selfactuallymeansthatthey...whatyoure...whattheyre...becauseyouhaventactuallymetthemall,right?

HD/AN:No,thatsimpossible.

KC:Youwereonlyexposedtoafew.

HD/AN:Yeah.Imean,youretalkingaboutparticulargroups.But,thethingisthatingeneral...Imean,therewasthisType0thatwastalkedabout,andType1?Theywouldnthavesurvivedthis

Type-0-to-Type-1transitioniftheyhadntraisedtheirconsciousnesstosomedegree.

Ingeneral,thatsthecase.And,then,itmayhavebeensomeexceptions,buttheyresuchaminoritythat...[Ednote:JustgoogleKardashevscaletolearnmoreabouttheType0theory.]

KC:Well,actually,ourgovernment,theirliaison,isoftenwiththeseservice-to-self.

HD/AN:Yeah.Thatsright.

BR:Andtheevilforcesonthisplanetarentdoingitallontheirown,right?Theydidntthinkupallthisstuffontheirown.

KC:We,actuallyhumanityisntdoingitallontheirown.Theyrebeingpushedandproddedbysomeunseenforcesandunseenbeings.Itmaybeaphilosophicaldifference.

HD/AN:Itsaphilosophicaldifference.Thatswhatitis,yeah.

BR:Byrecognizingtheirexistence,Imnotgivingthempower.Im


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justsayingwevegottotellthetruthhere.Thereiseviloutthereintheuniverse.ItdoesntjuststopattheIlluminati.

HD/AN:Well,theresdarkness,butdarknessisforme...Iviewitasignoranceor,ultimately,theabsenceoflight.Itsnotanopposingforce,ultimately.Thereslightandthentheresnolight,ortheinterference...

BR:Iwastalkingaboutfunctionalityhere.

KC:Okay.So,maybe,wecanactually...evenyoucouldtalkabout,Alfred,whatwevebeentalkingaboutoffcameraalittlebit,intermsofthereisinvestigationatthemomentgoingintosomeoftherelationshipsthataregoingonbehindthesceneswithvariousraces.

AW:Yes.Sure.Justtokeepitdowntospecificdata-points,weknowwhatArthurhassaidhere,thathesbeentoMars.Wealsohaveanotherverycrediblewhistleblowerwhowevetalkedabout,whoin1980,wenttoMarstwice.

BR:ThisisAndrewBasiago.

AW:Yes,inthecompanyofaCIAofficer,CourtneyHunt,justtoputthatontherecord,throughaMarsjumproom,ateleportationjump

room,fromElSegundo,California,tooneofthesortofbunker-typebasesrightoutonthesurfaceofMars,andwhowalkedaroundonthesurfaceofMars.

And,whoin1971,inthecompanyofhisfather,whowasaCIAcontractofficertype,metthreeMartianastronautswhowereonaliaisonandcoordinationvisitatCurtisWrightAirForceBase.[Thisreferenceisunclear.Google:Curtiss-Wrightisamanufacturerofjetfighteraircraft.IntheBarcelonapaneldiscussion,hecalledthisWrightAFBinNewJersey.ThereisnolistingforthatinNJ,althoughthereisa

McGuireAFBinWrightstown,NJ.Otherwise,thereisWright-PattersonAFBinOhio.]

Soweknowthatfromatleast1971,theresbeenacoordinatingandliaisontypefunctionforrelationshipbetweentheMartiansandtheU.S.government.

Well,fromwhatIveread,theMartiancivilizationisapositive,ethicalcivilization.So,tocounteract,ourstrategyshouldbeascitizenstoencourageanopenstrategicalliancebetweenourculture,ourOpenCulture,andtheMartianculture,andtomakethatavailableimmediatelyatthehighestlevel,whichisaPresidential

acknowledgementoftheexistenceandrelationshipwiththecivilizationonMars.

BR:AndthatsoneofthefoundingprinciplesofExopolitics.

AW:Exactly.

KC:Yeah,butIwouldliketosaythatyou[Arthur]arenodding,soyourekindofrecognizingsomeofthetestimony...


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HD/AN:Yes.Ineverheardofthisuntilnow,thispersonoranything,anditslike:Ah!Someoneelse!Youknow?

BR:Anotherone...yeah.

HD/AN:Itsoundslikeaverysimilarkindofwork,too.Verysimilar.

KC:But,Iwouldliketosay--andImthrowingthisouthere--Iamfamiliar,becauseIvehadsomepersonalcontactwithsome,whatIknowofasAnunnaki,andthattherearesomepositiveAnunnakiandtherearesomemorenegativelyoriented.Youknow,justliketherearehumans,goodandbad,youknow,therearedifferentAnunnaki.

AndIhavetosaythattheyreinteractingwithindividuals,becauseIhavehadsomeinteraction.Theyhavemadetheirpresenceknowntome.AndIknowBobisntheretoactuallytalkaboutthis,butBobhashadhisowninteractionwithAnunnakithathehastalkedaboutwithus,andIthinkhemetthem.

HD/AN:Well,theAnunnakiaretheexceptionthatIwastalkingaboutwhereits...butIreallydidnthaveanytimetoevenreallycommunicate,becauseitsalwaysatatableinaroomanditsjust...Thatwasntmyfunction,togettoknoweveryoneintimately,youknow.

KC:Right.

HD/AN:But,itwassimilartowhatyou[Alfred]weretalkingabout,liaisonandthingslikethat.

BR:But,thetableyouretalkingaboutisatablesurroundedbyhumansnotfromthisplanet,right?

HD/AN:Yeah.Well,theylooklikehumansingeneral.Yes.Uhhuh.

KC:AndthistookplaceattimesalsoonMars,right?

HD/A:Thatswheretheyalltookplaceforme.Forme.

KC:Didyouevermeetwiththesepeoplehere?BecauseasBobwassaying,hemetwith,ascientistwas...

HD/AN:No.Nothere.

KC:Isee.

BR:Ijustwantedtojumpinbeforetheendofthetapetosaythatwe...

HD/AN:Imsorry.Imadeamistake.DidIevermeetwiththemwhenIwasnotworking?Yes.Butthatsanotherstory,alongtimeago.

BR:Thatsanotherinterestingstory.

KC:Oh,right.Okay.

BR:IjustwanttosayonrecordthatthepersonwhoAlfredWebreistalkingaboutisAndyBasiago.Wevebeenintouchwithhimfor18months.Wehaventmethimpersonally,butIpersonallyspokewithhim


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18monthsagoforfourhourscontinuously,whichisoneofthemoreextraordinaryconversationsIvehadinmylife.Ivehadquitealotofextraordinaryconversationsnow.

KC:AndIlastedabouttwohours.Icouldntlastthewholetime,tobehonest.

BR:Andasfarasweareabletodetermine,andImjustspeakingepistemologicallyhere,wefullysupportAndysstoryandwefullysupporthisownintentiontoreleasehisstorytotheworld.Hesonlytoldatinypartofitsofar.

WhatsreallyinterestinghereisthatthisdovetailsfullywithArthurspersonalexperiencestodowithtimetravel,todowithwormholes,todowiththerelationshipwithactivityonMars,andawholecomplexityherethatsveryhardtoswallow,butitsextremelyimportanttounderstand.

Ijustwantedtoaddourownsupporttothat.Thisissomethingelsethatwellpickupandrollwithlater,becauseitswaybeyondthescopeofthisconversation.

KC:Okay,butIhadaconversationtodaywithoneofourwhistleblowersandheactuallywastalkingabouttheamountof

radiationonMarsandquestioning...

BR:No,hewasnt.HewastalkingabouttheradiationintheVanAllenBelts.

KC:No,heactuallyalsotalkedabouttheradiationonMarsandIwasaskinghimaboutthatandIsaidthatthebaseswereunderground.IsthereradiationonMarsinexcessofwhatwehave,forexample,hereonEarth?

HD/AN:BecauseofwhatIwasdoingthere,Iwasntevenfocusedonthinkingaboutthosethings.Isimplywasgoingthereforanhour[laughs]itsoundsstrangeforanhourmeetingandthenIdleave

andcomehere.Andsoforme,becauseofthewaymylifesbeenlikethisforforeveryouknow,nothingwasunusual.Ididnteventhinkaboutthingslikethat,whethertherewasradiationornot.Thosethingswerejusthandledbythewaythesystemwassetupthere,orissetup,orwillbesetup.Idontevenknowwhattimeperioditisnow.Thatsanothersubject.

KC:Wellyouhadphysiologicalreactiontohavinggonethroughthatprocess.Isthatright?

HD/AN:Right.Yeah.Thatsanotherthing,becauseofthekindoflikejetlagkindofthing.ThereismedicinethatIwastakingthat,whenI

quit,Iactuallyforgotabout,becauseeverythinghappenedsosuddenlywhenIquitthatitwasnotavailableanylonger.Butthatsanothersubjectagain.

BR:Wellitstoughtobe,yeah...earlier,atthestartofthisconversation,Arthurmadeajokeandsaidthatheranaway.Thisisnottrue,andIdidntwantthattobemisunderstood.Itwasafteradisagreementatwork;youbasicallyhandedinyournotice.


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HD/A:Itwaskindof...itwasnotevenadisagreement,itwas...

BR:Itwasaconflict.

HD/AN:Mm...ItwasjustIgotverytired,becausethingswerebecomingmoreandmorerestrictedinmylife,tothepointofwhereIcouldnolongerevencallmyfriendsoremailmyfriends,andinsteadofjusttryingtosititoutandgothroughallthemassivepaperworkandthings,andwaiting,Ijustdecided,youknow,Iwouldmakethedecisioninstead.

BR:So,basically,itwasarelativelysuddendeparture.

HD/AN:Verysudden.

BR:Ratherthanbeinggraduallyrootedout,andthatinvolvedyoursuddenlynottakinganymoreofaparticularmedication.

HD/AN:WhichIforgotaboutbecauseIjust...Iliterallylefteverythingbehindinmyhomeandjustwenttoanothercountry.

BR:Yes.WhatImstatinghereisthatthemedicationyoutookwassomethingcalledLorenzil[Ednote:Couldnotclarifythisword...

LorenzosOil?Usedintreatingcertainneuropathies.Lorenzol?Usedinveterinarymedicine.]whichifyousuddenlywithdrawfromthat...Sorry.ThattheeffectsthattheLorenzilisdesignedtoameliorateissomethingthatscalledtransdimensionaldisorder.

HD/A:Well,thisissomethingthatIunderstandfromsomeoneelsethatIdidntknowabout.

BR:Okay.Thisisanotherthingthatsbeyondthescopeofthisconversation.ItsgottodowithazerotimereferencethatPeterMoontalkedaboutinhisfirstMontaukbooksandsoonandsoforth.

Forthebodyitsverydisorientingwhenitsgoingthroughjumpgates,orjumprooms,orwhateveritisyouwanttocallthesethings.Theresacertainmedicationthatonehastotakeinordertoamelioratethat.Ifyousuddenlywithdrawfromthat,thenyoureinbigtrouble,andthisisoneofthethingsthatyouareupagainst.

KC:Right.AndIthinkthat,atanotherpoint,wecantalkinmoredepthaboutthat.But,forthepurposesofthisconversation,werereallytalkingaboutthefutureofhumanityandourinteractionwith,well,certainlyAnunnakionMars.

But,wehaveastatementthatwasmade,whichwasactuallysaidtous

byRobertDeanandalsosomeotherwhistleblowers,thattheAnunnakiarerunningthingsfrombehindthesceneshereonEarth.AndIwonderifyou,Alfred,wouldaddressthatatall.

BR:Ortryto.

AW:Right.WellcertainlyIveheardthattherearevarious...Thatis,totakeamodelofhowdecisionsaremadehereonEarth,therearevariousmodelswhichhavesomeevidenceforthem.


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OnemodelisamoredrasticmodelthantheAnunnakimodel.Thatinvolveswhetherornotthisisatruemodeloristhemodelbasedondisinformationinvolvestheexistenceofareptilianraceinthefourthdensity,thatisonemoredensityupfromus.Theyhavemorecontrolovertime,andthatdensityhasbeenbehindthephenomenonofalienabductions.

Now,thereareresearchers,likeDr.StevenGreer,whobelievethatallabductions...theRoperPollshowsthatabouttwopercentoftheUSpopulation,orabout6millionpeople,havebeenabducted,whichisasubstantialnumberofpeople.

Andthereareresearchers,likeDr.StevenGreer,whobelievethatalloftheabductionsarepsy-ops,andareessentiallydonebyelementsoftheUSgovernment,aspsychologicalwarfarebothagainstthehumanpopulationandagainsttheethicalextraterrestrialpopulation,tostigmatizethem.

Whetherornotthatstrueornot,thereiscertainlyevidencethatbothsmallGray-lookingbeingsandreptilianbeingshavebeenengaged

inextraterrestrialabductionsofasubstantialnumberofpeople,withahighstrangenesstheme.Andthesehavebeenwithsecretcontracts.

KC:Butthefourth-dimensionalaspect,whichistheinterdimensionalqualityofthisinteractionandthefactofthesebeings,isalittledifferent,Iwouldsay,thanwhatweinteractwithintermsoftheAnunnakiintheoryanyway.

AW:Yes.Yeah,thisisadifferentsortofinteraction.

BR:Onesecond.Wevegottostop.Wevegotoneminute.

KC:Okay.ThenletsdosomesortofasummationandIdlikeyou[Alfred]tohandlethat,ifyouwouldntmind.

AW:Okay.Well,firstofallIthinkthatweveestablishedthatthereleaseofsecrecy,weknowempiricallyfromyesterday,isagreatconsciousness-raisingeventanditwillbethedeconstructionofsecrecy,withthesegreatcosmiccycles,thatwillmediateapositivehumanfuture.

BR:Thatsgreat.

HD/A:Anatural,almostnaturalevent.

AW:Yeah.

BR:Arthur,Alfred,thankyousomuchforspendingsomuchofyourtimewithus.Wellcontinuethisconversationlater.Andwehavetocometoanendherebecausewevegotnomoredigits.And,Kerry,thankyoutoo.

KC:Absolutely.Thankyousomuch.Thishasbeenafun,butenlighteningeventwevegotgoinghere,andweregoingtocontinuethisconversationforyearstocome,Imsure.


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