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If you were stranded on a desert island and somehow had access to the internet, a computer, and electricity, and you

could only have one Forex trading educational article to read, this would be the article you would want to have

A simple fact of Forex trading is that it is a game of probabilities, those traders who learn to view and think about trade setups in terms of risk to reward, are the ones who

usually end up making consistent money in the Forex market. There is something to be said for developing your discretionary trading skills, as having a sharpened sense for

spotting well defined trade setups at the right place and time is definitely a necessary ingredient to successful trading. However, it is possible to make consistent money even if

your discretionary trade setup identification skills are not fully matured yet. Risk to reward setups are what give all traders an equal chance at making consistent money, a

thorough understanding of risk to reward and how to view trade setups in terms of possible risk to possible reward, is the closest thing to the holy grail of trading, and is one of

the most important pieces of the puzzle to consistently profitable trading, second only to having the proper amount of self-discipline and emotional control.

Drawing risk / reward levels

The first thing that all traders should do upon spotting a price action setup, or any trade setup, is calculate the risk they will have to take on in order to give the setup a realistic

chance at working out. Traders often make one or two mistakes when it comes to determining risk; they either define the reward first, which is a mistake born out of greed, or

they put a stop loss on the setup that is much too close to the entry to give the trade a chance at working out.

When learning to think in probabilities and to view the market in terms of risk to reward, it is necessary to calculate the risk on a trade setup first, then you can calculate the

reward as a multiple of the amount you have at risk. By concentrating on the risk first, instead of the reward, you are making yourself more aware of the risk involved on each

trade setup, instead of becoming fixated on how big of a reward you might make, as many traders do. This will also turn you into a risk manager, rather than a trader, the

best traders in the world know that consistent trading profits come as a result of managing risk effectively, so consider yourself a manager of risk from now on.

The next thing to do after you have identified a high-quality trade setup and marked the risk level on your chart, is to mark the reward levels as multiples of your risk. You want

to draw a line at 1 times your risk, 2 times your risk, and 3 times your risk. These are the reward levels you will mainly concern yourself with, should you choose to employ atrailing stop you can use these 1, 2, and 3 times risk levels to begin the trailing process, see the section on trailing stops below for more.

Examples of how to draw risk / reward levels:

First, we identify a high-quality price action trading setup, in the chart below we are looking at the 1hr chart of the EURUSD from this week. A quality 1hr pin bar sell signal

formed at a confluent intra-day resistance level and in the direction of the bearish momentum on the daily chart.

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Next, we mark our risk level for this setup, in this case the risk is the distance from the low to the high of the pin bar, so we place a stop loss at 1.3656, one pip above the high,

the entry is a break of the low, so 1.3611 is our entry level, one pip below the low. The total risk distance for this setup is 45 pips, we will figure 1$ per pip for the examples in

this article, so our risk is $45, not 45 pips. Since you can trade various numbers of lots per pip, your actual risk is not calculated in pips, but in dollars, many traders make thismistake. Remember; always calculate your risk and reward in dollars, not in pips, only use pips to mark the risk and reward levels on your charts. (we expanded on this in this in

our forex money management article here )

Now we can use this measure of 45 pips to mark our 1, 2, and 3 times risk multiples. Since our risk (R) is $45, our 1R multiple is $45, or 2R multiple is $90, and our 3R

multiple is $135. Since our stop loss distance is 45 pips, we subtract the 1, 2, and 3 multiples of 45 from our entry point of 1.3611; we then get the levels marked on the chartbelow. This setup obviously worked out quite nicely as all three risk multiples got hit, for a reward of 1 to 3. It is worth noting that trade setups on the smaller time frames are

more likely to hit larger risk multiples since your stop loss will usually be tighter than it will be on a higher time frame. The trade is now set up, time to let the market get to work.

In the chart below we are looking the daily Silver market, we can see a quality pin bar fakey combo setup formed with the dominant bullish market momentum. We first marked

our risk distance which was 1.13; we then multiply our risk (1.13) by 1, 2 and 3, to get our (R) risk multiple levels. We can see them drawn in on the chart below and also thatthis setup easily brought traders a risk / reward of 1 to 3 before forming another very nice pin bar strategy that sent prices lower. This example also figured 1$ per pip, or persmallest incremental price movement on silver, this results in $113 risked.

Trailing stops

If you decide that you want to try and let a particular trade setup run, you might want to employ a trailing stop strategy with the aid of risk / reward levels. The best way to do

this is to mark your risk and reward levels just as described above, but instead of actually entering an order for your reward levels, you leave the trade open, meaning you donthave a set exit at your pre-defined reward levels. Instead, once the market moves in your favor, you use your pre-defined reward levels to trail your stop loss to, thus leaving the

trade open and giving yourself a shot at greater profits, while still locking in some profit and lessening risk.



A common technique to use when trailing stops to risk / reward levels is to trail the stop up to your entry level when the trade is up 1 times or 2 times your risk. You can also

trail your stop 50% closer to your entry once you are up 1 times risk if you want to leave the trade more breathing room. Many traders will simply keep their stop 1R multipleaway, meaning if you are up 1 to 2, you trail your stop up to lock on 1 times your risk, if the market than moves 1 to 3 you trail your stop up to lock in 2 times your risk. This is

a solid trailing technique because you are securing profits while at the same time leaving the trade open for a possibility at it running further in your favor. This technique is bestused in strong trends. Many traders make the mistake when trailing stops of not properly locking in profits, there is nothing worse than letting a winning trade come all the wayback to your entry point because you didnt lock in 1 or 2 times your risk.

The daily AUDUSD chart below shows an inside bar setup that occurred back in mid-September of this year when the AUDUSD was in the midst of an uptrend. In thisexample you could have moved your stop to break-even once you were up $108 or 1 times your risk, once you got up 2 times risk you could have locked in 1 times your risk

or $108. It looks like the market hit 0.9600 or 3R and then pulled back into 2R, however it came about 1 pip shy of 3R on its first attempt, so you would not have moved yourstop up until it cleared 3R a couple days later. At this point you would have 2R or $216 locked in, at this point you could either let the trade run past 3R or move your stop up

to lock in 3R or $324. If you moved up to lock in 3R right away you would have got stopped out at 3R by the pin bar on September 5th, had you not locked in 3R you couldhave eventually made 4 or 5R.

How risk / reward can make you a consistently profitable forex trader

Ideally, we want to look for trade setups with a risk / reward of at least 1 to 2, by getting a risk / reward of 1 to 2 on every trade setup, we can lose on well over 50% of ourtrades and STILL make money. This is why risk / reward is the holy grail of trading; if you execute it properly you can make consistent money over a period of time.

However, many traders mess it up or limit its power by meddling in their trades once they are live, usually this means they take less than a 1 to 2 profit, and then enter anothertrade that is lower-probability, and maybe take a loss. Once you start this game of meddling with your trades and interfering with the power of risk reward scenarios, you really

put limits on what you can achieve as a forex trader.

To play with the numbers a bit lets discuss a scenario where you lose on 65% of your trades, but your risk to reward on every trade is 1 to 2. So, out of 100 trades you lose on65 of them and win on 35 of them, lets say you risk $100 per trade. This means you lost 65 x $100 = $6500, but since you made 2 times your risk on your winners you made

35 x $200 = $7000. So, after 100 trades you have a profit of $500, this is even after you lost on 65% of your trades! This is an example of the power of risk / reward setups,the trick is that it takes time to play out, most traders do not have the discipline to execute 100 trades flawlessly with a risk / reward of 1 to 2 and suffer through 65 losses and

only 35 winners.

The lesson to be learned from this article is that you can make still money in the forex markets even if you lose far more trades than you win, IF you understand andproperly implement risk to reward scenarios on every single trade you take. You must combine this knowledge of risk to reward with a plethora of self discipline, you must

understand that you cannot waver or second guess yourself, if you are trading a solid trading strategy like price action combined with risk reward knowledge and self-discipline,

you have the potential to be an unstoppable trader. To learn more about price action trading and risk to reward, check out some of the other cool parts of my website and myprice action trading course.

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60 Comments

1. Derick says:

March 30, 2015 at 1:01 am

Excellent article NialSimple, logical and easy to comprehend.

Thank you.

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2. Eragon says:

February 9, 2015 at 11:15 pm

Im lucky to read this topic , Thank you Mr,Nail for helping

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3. harpreet singh says:

May 14, 2014 at 9:34 pm

very good artical, thanks Nial

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4. evans sila says:

October 15, 2013 at 5:15 pm

Thank you, i now get it especially about trailing stops with risk/reward.

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5. manu says:

May 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm

one of my fav!!! thanks

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6. Tamil Selvan says:

April 19, 2013 at 4:47 pm

Super.Excellent..go on.Nail



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7. Ravenel, j says:March 25, 2013 at 3:38 am

Nial, I have read this risk/reward article many time over and over. To my amazement, the one thing that was missing is I was not applying it. Yes I started out with good

intention but would always go back and get out of the trade early. Taking a 1r/.5r or taking a 1r/1.1r. Yes, Nial you must do it the correct way if you want it to work.

Thank you, Nial

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8. Merry says:

March 23, 2013 at 10:12 am

Love the intro! Again a superb article that will change anyones trading future. Thank you for sharing ^_^

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9. Mohammad says:

November 5, 2012 at 3:02 am

Thanks Nail, and I want to say that no body know how much every trade will go with profits, so I think that lots of times I should close apart of the trade as a first targein

an 1/2R then make trailing as possible as I can. Do you think will it be profitable on long term?

I will be glade to hear your opinion

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10. Norman says:

October 18, 2012 at 3:29 am

Another very good article Nial, thanks for sharing your valuable knoledge.You are a truely good trader and teacher. thanks again!

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11. Eric says:

October 16, 2012 at 11:00 am

One of the most helpful articles on your site. I gave it a quick skim a while ago, finally returned to it today and gave it a closer look.

Thanks, Nial.

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12. Michael says:

August 20, 2012 at 3:30 am

Nial, thanks, as always, a great article. I have a comment and would be happy to hear your view on this.

Surely 2R is better than 1R.

At the same time, we need to be clear that if our TP level is further away (to get a higher R), then the probability of hitting the TP gets smaller!

Expectancy of a trading system = % winning trades * avg $ gain of the winning trade % losing trades * avg $ loss of a losing trade.

When we increase the R ratio, we are increasing the avg $ gain of the winning trade vs. a $ loss of a loser, which is great, but we are also decreasing the percentage of

winners, which is natural consequence of having the TP level further away. Question is where the optimum lies.

I guess it will depend on individual trader psychology, the market situation, as well as a given setup.

Thanks again and all the best.

Michael

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13. Dean says:

June 11, 2012 at 3:05 am

Very plainly stated, the advantages of r/r. To calculate the risk first and use that to multiply reward makes all the sense of a prudent plan. I greatly appreciate the detail of

the content you provide freely and on such a wide variety of issues. Tempted to sing-up for the price action course however, I am still digesting the free content. Thank-you very much please know that your information is first rate and so worth the time!!!! Awesome Nial Great stuff

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14. meisam says:April 9, 2012 at 5:23 am

hello thank you for sharing.

good job.

good luck.bye bye .:)

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15. Utitofon says:


This is definitely the most important fact one needs to know in forex. Thanks Nail, youre great!

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16. Mimi says:

February 2, 2012 at 1:04 am

Nial,

Thanks so much for your willingness to share your wealth of knowledge, and for being such a fabulous teacher. I have watched almost all of your free videos and read

most of your articles numerous times in the past week. Now I am making money way faster than I lost my initial 50% of my first mini account. This article was the most

valuable of them all to me.

Many, many thanks. I will see you in the members section shortly ;)

Mimi

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17. Ajmal says:

December 25, 2011 at 10:49 pm

Hi Nial,I am a beginner in trading with a target to become the jack of the trade. As my initial effort, i extensively googled for information on how to trade and what is the logic and

strategy behind success. I got lots of manuals and articles from many people which made me feel that i am trying to climb the Mt. Everest. But, When i came across your

article i realized that trading isnt a herculean task. I could feel the confidence within me filling. Believe me, I am kind of addicted to your articles that i read the same

articles over and over because each time i read them i can see a smile of confidence on my face. Anyway, i still do have a number of queries. I will be registering to your

full course on how to trade very soon. So, do expect a mail from me. :)

Thanks a lot.

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18. Dave says:

December 11, 2011 at 8:16 am

Very good article Nial, do you think is better to set a trailing stop = stop loss or little bit more and dont set any take profit, or set always a take profit at 1:3??

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19. gary says:

August 13, 2011 at 3:10 am

this only work this simple if all trade risk is for the same amount

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20. Chinedu says:

July 18, 2011 at 9:04 am

Great job.I have always found this site a useful resource for my forex research. Thank you so much for what you are doing here.Keep it up.

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21. Andrew T says:

June 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm

Great article.Such an important part of trading often overshadowed by thinking of profits only,Failure to manage risk successfully was the cause of trading account

wipeout for me in earlier trading attempts.Thanks for your concise easy to follow lessons,theyre great.

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22. Paul says:

April 24, 2011 at 12:10 am

This is perhaps the most important thing in trading that you need to truly understand in order to have a consistently profitable trading career. In any endeavour in life the

successful people always understand the risk they are prepared to take in order to attain an expected amount of reward. This is something that will just become second

nature once you start applying it and will never again trade without carefuly considering it.

Cheers :-)

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23. Galen says:

February 21, 2011 at 4:49 am

Hello Mr. Fuller

Just finished re-reading your article to absorb the flavors that I missed. Yummy!



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24. CJ says:


Very Nicely put together article!

Many Thanks!

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25. Mustapha A. says:

December 18, 2010 at 3:00 am

Hi Nial,

reading from you makes it feel one can go all the way. Ill try and give you more details of my successes that I sure will have soonest. I also look forward to how I will

possess some of your training courses and forex trading tools.

Cheers,

Mustapha.

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26. rikus says:

December 11, 2010 at 11:05 pm

Thanks aa lot Nial. Excellent and educative.

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27. Allan Clarke says:


Thanks so much Nial, for a very lucid explanation of R/R particularly the pointing out of setting the risk levels in $ terms, I have read many articles on this subject but your

presentation sharpens the focus deliciously.

Allan

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28. azmi harun says:November 21, 2010 at 12:03 pm

Mr Nial

Thank you for your valuable lessons, I am getting near it and make me more comfortable in trading.Thanks

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29. Allan J says:


Nial

thanks for that lesson its so much easier to grasp when presented in such a simple manner.

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30. Karl says:


Hi Nial! The first trade (with the stoploss@ 1.3656) took 10 hours to reach the first target, 11 hours to reach the second and 12 hours for the third. I know from

experience, that it is absolutely impossible to stay concentrated nonstop even for 4 hours. But to manage the trade as you mentioned, you had to stay the whole 12 hours,

because you must be there to take 1/3 at profit level 1, the second third at profit level 2 and the last third at level 3. Would you really work over 12 hours to win 135$ ?

Or is there a possibility to manage this without a loss, without the necessity to stay in front of the screen?

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1. nial says:

November 21, 2010 at 2:58 pm

You dont have to stay in front of the screen the whole time. And I also have a Tool that helps manage trades (I am launching that to members soon also)

I trade large size, this is just for examples sake.

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31. Elie says:November 21, 2010 at 3:41 am

Once again,

A superb topic which I agree with Mr. Nial as being the core of trading.

Thanks Nial,

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32. ali says:


hi nial, this is really the holy grail of forex trading.

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33. ironn says:November 20, 2010 at 9:46 pm

Sorry for the typo, as I was saying I love all of youre articles but this ones golden! I didnt understand risk reward concept before, but thanx to you, I do now!

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34. seb says:


great lesson nial, yes it must be one of the best..

nice one mate

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35. Edina says:


Nial,

very helpful and valuable thoughts. I`ve already read about this method but putting correctly into practice will be much more easier now. Thank you

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36. Doug says:November 20, 2010 at 4:52 pm

Hi Nial,

Just wanted to say thanks for the HOLY GRAIL. This is what put me in the winning side as before I was breakeven or bust. I have learned to curb my desire to see how

much I can make to making sure I check the risk first then reward 2nd. And waiting for a high probability trade set up is key as you mention throughout your course.

Again, thanks.

Doug

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37. Martins says:


Hi Nial.

Slowly, but im getting there. You lessons are great! :)

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38. Tristan says:


Thanks Nial, great article to reinspire me after a break fromt trading. Thanks also to Larry for highlighting the articles existence this morning.

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39. Tony says:


As always, great explanation

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40. Dan Dare says:


Hi Nial

Thanks for your lesson they are great ideas, on your sell would the stop be taken out on one pip if it reached the same hight of the previous pin bar? If useing trailing stop

from start then it would reduce the risk/reward ratio.

I use limits with my trailing stops.

DAN DARE

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41. T Allen says:November 20, 2010 at 2:16 am

Nice article Nial thanks a lot for the write up.

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42. Jo says:


Nial very clear and forceful information, complemented by the visual from the charts. Awesome stuff.

Thanks

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43. galen says:


Mr. Fuller

I look forward to practicing risk/reward ratios when I restart my demo account. I stepped back to understand more fully self discipline and emotional control. Indeed this

is the third god in the trinity of forex.

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44. Ali says:


Hi Nial,

this is a very good article.

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45. afe I says:


nial, you are wonderful, the risk/ reward setup is now my desktop background to keep my mindset on track . thanks

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46. mubinosman says:November 19, 2010 at 11:40 pm

grade A ..genius tip top

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47. Lisa says:


This is a superb trading strategy !

Brilliant !

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48. Jayne Lakicevic says:


Hi Niall, this is such a useful and well explained article in language that anyone can understand and it so fundamental to the newbie or more experienced trader. Thank you

very much.

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49. Cliff says:November 19, 2010 at 11:10 pm

Nial,

Super explanation of and the adaptation of Support and Resistance

Really like that you emphasize the need to look at Risk in light of it being money and not just pipsWould you mind if I link this article to the thread on Forex Factory?

Appreciate your continued efforts to further the education of all traders whether enrolled as a member or not.

Thanks much.

Cliff

Hastings, Minnesota

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50. Billy says:


I always enjoy your articles. All I have read were educative and are actually helping me in my trading strategies. Please, keep it up.

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51. Fabian says:November 19, 2010 at 8:04 pm

Hi Nial, this is a very good article. Thank you very much!



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52. Ben says:


Excellent article. Not everyone has trading experience so its so nice that you take the time to explain things in basic terms. It gives a much clearer picture.

Thankyou very much.

Keep up the excellent work!!

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53. Mike O. says:


An excellent article Nial!

Do you think an Automatic Trailing Stop Loss of 1.5x Risk once it is above entry would work well in these scenarios?

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1. nial says:


Mike, its best you email me your question and be more in depth/detail. Also include a chart if you can, thanks.

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54. Giles says:


Clear, logical and easy to follow Thanks Nial for your course and all your input The message is coming through.

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55. Godwin says:


This is another good article ,thanks for your more clarification.

G.Eliamani

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56. Denis says:November 19, 2010 at 3:27 pm

That is a very good explanation of risk/reward.Thanks Nial

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57. Tom says:


Hi Nial, just the artical I wanted!

Well done.

This is one of my favorite items to read!

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1. Harold says:

September 10, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Nial, gorgeous article, very well written!!

I analyzed hundreds and thousands of charts (btw, I am a pure Price Action trader), and searched half of my life for the Holy (Forex) Grail, especially the best RR-

ratio.

I discovered the optimal R/R Ratio:

It is (no, Im definitely not kidding) 1 :1,6 (rounded down from 1 : 1,618 originally)

You know that number, right? ;-)

Cheers

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