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(c) 2001 DM Consortium LLC www.DisMgmt.com

ROI: Exploding the Myths

Al Lewis

Disease Management Purchasing Consortium LLC

Wellesley, MA

www.DisMgmt.com

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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Guaranteed Savings Proposals mean “real” bottom

line profit improvement

• ALL four of these are “myths” if you contract on a guaranteed-savings basis– If you do DM internally then ROI IS a big issue

– There isn’t a population-wide ROI, period, unless you are using a labor-saver like biometric monitoring or a CMS-type tool

– “Poster Child” for building programs, Aetna, just went over to the buy side

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How Guaranteed Savings Deals Work

Historic Period

total $/mem

ber with disease

Guaranteed savings

Contract Period

Guaranteed Savings

“Baseline costs”

Vendor Fees

Remaining Claims

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ESRD Example:Prevalence * cost * %savings

• Medicare--30,000 members, 81 with ESRD

• Group--150,000 members, 90 with ESRD

• ESRD expense: c $60,000/year

• Total spend: $10-million

• Savings @ 8% ($4800/ESRD member)

• = c. $0.8 MM in guaranteed savings

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How Guaranteed Savings Works: ESRD example (How Guaranteed Savings Works: ESRD example (cont’dcont’d))

Historic Period

Total claim

s $/mem

ber with E

SRD

Mixture of claims, TPM vendor fees, other vendor fees, and profit if projections exceeded

Guaranteed savings

Contract Period

Claims paid last 12 months($10M)

Net Savings Guaranteed ($0.8 M)

Mixture of claims ($8-million) plus vendor fees ($1.2-million) to total $9.2-million

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FAQ on GS

• TOTAL population of people with the disease

• ADJUSTED for changes in prevalence

• ADJUSTED for PMPM change and (for ESRD) ESRD-specific contractual changes (eg Dialysis)

• YOU STILL PAY FEES

• EXCLUDE internal costs, which are about 1% (100 basis points)

• If your vendor doesn’t offer guarantees but they have outcomes AND you want guarantees, get vendor to obtain fee reinsurance

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Why ROI isn’t the right measure if you use guaranteed savings

• ESRD example: – Gross savings: $2-million in claims

– Vendor fees: $1.2-million

– Net return $0.8-million, or 67% or 1.67 to 1

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Why ROI isn’t the right measure if you use guaranteed savings

• Stock Analogy: – Gross sales price $20 per share

– Your cost $12 per share

– Increase in stock price $8

– return = $20/$12, or 67%

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Health Plan “Hurdle Rate”

0%10%20%30%40%50%60%70%80%90%

100%

Required "Hurdle Rate"

Net Return(2:1 gross return)

THATMYTH

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ESRD ROI of spending $1.2MM for a net return of $0.8MM

0%10%20%30%40%50%60%70%80%90%

100%

Required "Hurdle Rate"

vs. DM Program Net

Return

HURDLERTE

AverageDM Retun

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Comparing 67% returns

• 67% in a year is a GREAT return for a stock…

• …but for DM it doesn’t clear the “hurdle rate” so it will be judged a lousy investment...

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Wait a Sec

• This 67% net DM ROI is Guaranteed

• The stock return was not guaranteed

• Therefore DM is a much better investment and because it’s guaranteed...

• ...we should really be comparing it to...

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…Treasury Bills

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100%

Required "Hurdle Rate"

vs. DM Program Return

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WARNING WILL ROBINSON EXTREME DANGER

• Do not believe anyone who says that they get 4:1 or 5:1 or 20:1 or whatever in DM

• (30-second sales pitch coming)

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ROI in DM

• At the Disease Management Purchasing Consortium we pride ourselves in how high LOW our ROIs are– 1.5:1 to 2:1 except in ESRD

• However, they are real

• and they are guaranteed

• …but here is a shocker ****************

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ROI the wrong measure to use

• Return is received in the same year as spending (in some categories the same quarter)

• The only relevant “return” issues are the size of the guarantee and ensuring that the “time value” of cash flows and internal admin cost don’t significantly dent it

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ROI the wrong measure to use

• Return is received in the same year as spending (in some categories the same quarter)

• The only relevant “return” issues are the size of the guarantee and ensuring that the “time value” of cash flows and internal admin cost don’t significantly dent it

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Sidebar: Internal costs of outsourced DM

• Use a 1% (100 basis point) benchmark to be conservative– includes all “unallocated expense” (c. 50% of

total internal cost) as well as budgeted expense

– lower for ESRD, rare diseases, combined chronic diseases via a single vendor, larger health plans, subsequent years of first outsource, subsequent outsources

• Vastly higher for “built” programs

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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The Budget Freeze

• Two Solutions:– Get a program where payment comes at the end

(but those programs are rare and you do NOT save anywhere near as much money)

• May create problems with global capitation

– Put monthly fees through medical spending (assign provider number to vendor)

• Argument: Savings are in medical and are guaranteed, so it’s OK to put costs through medical

• Be sure to rewrite or not send EOBs

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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(c) 2001 DM Consortium LLC www.DisMgmt.com

ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money by outsourcing, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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Lose control of members???

• Absent DM, you can’t even find them let alone know how much they cost

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Lose control of members???

• Absent DM, you can’t even find them let alone know how much they cost

• Outsourced (or PBM/pharma/device-assisted) DM = Information, information = control

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Lose control of members???

• Absent DM, you can’t even find them let alone know how much they cost

• Outsourced (or PBM/pharma-assisted) DM = Information, information = control

• Is it easier to control a vendor or your own staff?

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Note: Vendors don’t walk on Water either

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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Source of Disease Management

0102030405060708090

100

1994

1995

1996

1997

1998

1999

2000

% of all programs

"Assemble"DM CompanyBuildPharma/PBM

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Why is “Building” declining?

• Freezes on internal staff and admin costs– “Buys” are in medical cost, not admin costs

• It doesn’t work. Only a few built programs can say “We started out with a population costing us $X and reduced it to __% of $x”

• Better vendor value propositions

• Easier implementation for outsources

• Builds being supplanted by “assembles”

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Myths of “Building”

• “It’s our core competency”

• No--it’s a highly specialized “custom shop” vs. an HMO throughput shop

• Buying is itself a core competency

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Myths of “Building”

• “It’s our core competency”

• “Why should we pay someone to do what we can do ourselves?”

• No--it’s a highly specialized “custom shop” vs. an HMO throughput shop

• Buying is itself a core competency

• You can also deliver your own packages absolutely, positively overnight

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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“We don’t have the data to know our ROI”

• You can count– #MIs/angioplasties/CABGs/strokes last year vs.

# this year

– total admissions last year vs. this year (population management program)

– People with ESRD

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ROI: Myths

• ROI is the right way to look at DM

• The ROI from DM is below our “hurdle rate”

• “Even if DM vendors say they save money, it’s all smoke and mirrors.”

• “Even if we think they do, our CFO won’t believe us”

• “Even if (s)he does, there’s a budget freeze on.”

• “Even if we save money, the vendor saves more, which is unacceptable

• “Maybe we save money, but we lose control of our members.”

• “If the vendors can do it, we can do it cheaper--let’s build.”• “We don't have the data to know our ROI”

• “Our health plan is too small to get a decent return.”

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% of medical losses “locked in” as savings by 14,000-member health plan in ONE contract

0.0%

0.4%

0.8%

1.2%

1.6%

2.0%

CHFCAD+Diab.+COPD

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as %

ML

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Do ALL major chronics togetherDon’t be afraid to spend the feesLock in an ironclad guarantee

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ROI: Myth and Fact

• No CFO should doubt the powerful returns from outsourced/assembled DM (and population management) with guarantees

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Getting CFOs on Board: The State Secret

• Consortium “batting average” for putting first programs in place WITH CFO/CEO in room during major meetings with vendors and with Consortium: 3 for 3= 1.000

• Consortium “batting average” for putting first programs in place with NO ACCESS to CFO/CEO: c. 25 for 60= .416

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Getting CFOs on Board: The State Secret

• Consortium “batting average” for putting first programs in place WITH CFO/CEO in room during major meetings with vendors and with Consortium: 3 for 3= 1.000

• Consortium “batting average” for putting first programs in place with NO ACCESS to CFO/CEO: c. 25 for 60= .416

Solution is to get CFOs to the table early

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Conclusion for health plans: It’s the Economics, Stupid

• Pick the right vendor

• Get a good LOW “ROI”

• Focus on total savings in PMPM, not ROI

• Measure it Right in the Contract

• Adhere to your own contractual requirements