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"There is a really remarkable, rapid shift of power and influence from the UnitedStates to China," Mr. Soros said, likening the U.S.'s decline to that of the U.K. after

the Second World War.

Because global economic power is shifting, Mr. Soros said China needs to change

its focus. "China has risen very rapidly by looking out for its own interests," he said.

"They have now got to accept responsibility for world order and the interests of other

people as well."

Mr. Soros even went so far as to say that at times China wields more power than the

U.S. because of the political gridlock in Washington. "Today China has not only amore vigorous economy, but actually a better functioning government than

the United States," he said, a hard statement for him to make because he spent

much of his life donating to anti-communist groups in Eastern Europe.

Soros's statement is similar to the frequent "China-for-a-day" musings of columnist Tom

Friedman.

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On a related subject, Kay King of the Council on Foreign Relations has a new report out on

the U.S. congress's impact on national security. King's critiques of congressional

procedure, in particular the filibuster, won't be news to anyone who's read recent critiques

of congressional dysfunction, but she makes a compelling case that because of limited

public interest, congress is effectively abandoning its oversight role on national security

affairs. Issues like energy, trade, and immigration are typically treated as purely domestic

ssues by congress, while membership on foreign affairs committees appeal only to

members positioning themselves for higher office or those dependent on ethnic or

business special interests.

King writes:

When Congress fails to perform, national security suffers thanks to ill-considered

policies, delayed or inadequate resources, and insufficient personnel. Without

congressional guidance, allies and adversaries alike devalue U.S. policies because

they lack the support of the American peopel that is provided through their

representatives in Congress.

King provides a number of ideas for reform which will hopefully be a bit more palatable to

U.S. sensibilities than taking cues on good governance from Beijing.

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4:40 PM ET

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Chicom Soros

Hey big spender, is that why you have pumped so much cashinto the worthless liberal coffers in America? How much didyou throw down the drain for the Secretary of State Project?Plus continue to fund worthless liberal agendas like PMSNBC,

Media Doesn't Matter, Can you do that in China too? Whydon't you take your dog face and pony show on the road, liketo China, and don't come back here you Socialist.

You can't even speak English well. Just shut your pie hole.You don't matter to my country or over 80% of the peoplehere. Get out and stay out.

Republicans won, deal with it.

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PCNAV

7:38 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Why China Might be Better

The reason China might be surpassing the government of theUSA is because they don't have a rich, sleazy Hungarian

Decepticon trying to manipulate their government.

I would like to see Soros try his crap there with OSI, Moveon,Tides and all his other organizations... organizations designedto undermine the US government in order to corrupt it and

remove our freedoms. If Georgey-Boy tried his crap there hewould be put in a Gulag like prison.

MIKALEE

10:16 PM ET

November 16, 2010

why is China getting stronger and better?

In the past few decades, China has indeed become betterand stronger economically, because it abandoned socialist

and embraced market economy/capitalism. Had its reformincluded a fundamental change in its political system towardsdemocracy, China would have had even brighter tomorrow.

The fact that Soros appraises China's (current) politicalsystem/government says a lot about this man, doesn't it?Putting your political view or ideology aside for a second andask yourself: do you really want this man and his kind

continue to manipulate our political process?

LOUISE7

8:30 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Soros

Go to China George. We really don't want you anyway. Tryyou backstabbing ways over there, you will not last a second.You had better thank AMERICA for your free speech.

THE1

9:46 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Soros may have a point...

Although Soros is akin to something I scrapped off my shoethe other day, he may be correct about China. Hisconclusions are wrong, as usual. A "better functioninggoverment" gave us Berrycare and Trillions in debt. Last I

checked, the most efficient and smooth running governmentwas North Korea, no decent at all. The people want anddeserve gridlock precisely because we are a red/blue country.

Progress is SUPPOSE to be slow to keep the governement incheck. Oh and BTW China, congrats on your economicsuccess. How is that one-child and one-dog policy workingout for you?

JEN IN FORT

WORTH

11:01 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Gulag?

@PC - He wouldn't be in a gulag-like prison, he'd be dead!Too bad he hasn't given them a try yet!

DONNIEHARK

2:25 PM ETNovember 17, 2010

Ya and his free a**, he was

Ya and his free a**, he was once owned by the nazi's Iunderstand

JOANNHH

5:24 PM ET

November 17, 2010

Soros is an American citizen

Soros is an American citizen, and he HATES this country. Heis guiltyof sedition and should be procecuted to the fullestextent of the law. What other country would abide this attackby any citizen, rich or poor? But I guess when you have a

friendly in the Whitehouse, you get rather full of yourself.

GAELGIRL56:41 PM ET

November 17, 2010

Soros attacks

Soros is not a "fellow American"; he is a Hungarian and hisinterests are NOT American interests. He has worked veryhard to tear down America and her vision of freedom,

enterprise, capitalism and family. He has admitted as much inthe punblication of his 5 steps to winning when an economysours. He has done it befopre and he's doing it TO AMERICA

now. You may not like the personal attacks, but they are


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based on a recognition fo Soros' evil and ill-intent.

And.... DOn't even THINK about playing the racecard. He is

only a Jew when it's convenient. He sold out the Jews a longtime ago! Besides the ObamaDonkeys played that card soearly and so often thta it has lost all relevance and meaning.As soon as someone calls you a racist, you know you've just

met a mindless liberal.

SOROSBUSTER

6:57 PM ET

November 17, 2010

try prisons - best in town, eh, the world

He should try them and report to his buddy in the WhiteHouse, to former house majority leader and to former boxer in

Senate. We'll send them to the very best Chineseestablishment in home made orange suites..

RALPHPLUNKETT

4:47 PM ET

November 16, 2010

soros comment on china

I think Soros hit it here with his comment "China has risenvery rapidly by looking out for its own interests" Of course this

would not be allowed if the US tried to do that- it's expectedthat we give everyone anything while holding nothing for ourselves. We,the US, should take heed of Soros comments andstart doing that very same thing- then we would see the US

climb back out of this hole we dug!

NSC LOS

ANGELES

2:27 PM ET

November 17, 2010

R. Plunkett is correct

China's isolationist "we have no obligations only strategicalliances" mentality seems to make a lot of sense in theselean times. Why the US throws away billions on foreign aid is

beyond me.

MALINSE

5:37 PM ET

November 17, 2010

Thank You for your comment

Excellent point. Thank You.

"Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itselfbecause another power is trying to destroy it."-Jean-Francois Revel (1970)

HURRYNOVEMBE

R

4:49 PM ET

November 16, 2010

How fast can a citizenship be revoked?

Maybe Mr. Soros/Schwartz has worn out his welcome in theUS. He'd love China. What a great place to live. Please, sir,

move.

I am amazed that he is criticizing Obama's administrationwhen he paid so much for it. He must want to be the evil man

behind the curtains, controlling the world. I'm not sure howwell that would go over in China, actually.

Oh well, he's very old. Even with the billions he's made thelast two years, thanks to Obama, he can't live much longer.

He denies he regrets his past. He fully enjoyed taking theproperty of fellow Jews on their way to the death camps. Hesaid that was his most fun year ever. What a creep.

METALSHAPER

5:21 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Yes he is old and when he

Yes he is old and when he dies we can all take solace in his

spending eternity in the lake of fire.

BRAINY ONE

7:10 PM ET

November 16, 2010

soros

the sooner he is on a plane to China and never allowed backthe better.

maybe we should keep some of his money here to pay thenatiional debt


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FUCKACOMMIE

7:44 PM ET

November 16, 2010

soros

The best thing about him is that he is old and he will be deadsoon, thank GOD. Son of bitch better have a fucking asbestos

suit on. Actually I hope he doesn't. All the Jews he hasbetrayed should put him thru the ovens for eternity!

KMB

8:26 AM ET

November 17, 2010

He has two sons (and I

He has two sons (and I believe a brother) who will take up thecause when he is gone . . .

COTTONEYED

2:04 PM ET

November 17, 2010

He is evil personified

Right before the Wehrmacht took Budapest, Soros' wealthyJEWISH father paid to have Georgy's papers forged, showingthat he was the Christian Godson of a powerful Hungarianofficial. Young Georgy was 14 years old and he went to live

with this official. This official was later responsible forconfiscating Jewish property and wealth, and then sendingthem to the death camps. Over 70K Jews in Budapest weresent to their deaths. Young Georgy, a Jew, witnessed all this

and later used this wealth as a way to jump start his "career"!He later collaborated with Francois Geroud, the Swiss bankerwho had direct access to the stolen Jewish millions that the

Third Reich had secretly deposited into his bank. It was usedto bank roll the Odessa Network, funded the David Irvingbook, which attempted to discredited the Anne Frank Diaries,that "only" 1M Jews were exterminated, not 6M, and that Hitler

knew nothing of these exterminations. Soros and Geroudwere "one worlders", and they both owned the ArabCommercial Bank in Switzerland that paid for the Klaus

Barbie defense, and funded hundreds of "Palestinian" terroristgroups. One of those groups was the Muslim Brotherhood,who have been responsible for Muslim terror for 50 years(CAIR is nothing more than a front group for them). So, Soros

a Jew, to save himself while his fellow Jews died by themillions, pretended to be a Christian in WWII, and then usedthose confiscated Jewish millions to start his global empire.Yet, today his hatred for Christians is well documented! Isn't it

ironic the very thing he hates most, was used to save hismiserable self! Not only is he the most evil individual on theplanet, but he is this country's greatest threat. Either,

internally or externally.

NSC LOSANGELES

2:33 PM ET

November 17, 2010

Fascinating

I had no idea that was his background. Will be checking intowhat you've posted, it beggars belief!

SUPERSNIFFY

4:53 PM ETNovember 16, 2010

Soros' drivel

Make a real impact! Vote out your "favourite" DemocRAT and

we can take back our country

KEN40

4:57 PM ET

November 16, 2010

A hard statement for Soros to make....really?

They say his praise of Communist China was hard for him tomake since he spent so much time donating to anticommunist groups in Europe.

Two things:

1) He is out for his own self interest. If he was trying to

collapse the currency of a communist/socialist gov't it wasntbecause he disagreed with them but for his own personalgain.

2) Every group he supports over here is socialist/communistin nature or at the very least supports "fundamentally

transforming America". As a hedge fund manager, you canbet he has hedged his bets in favor of American currencycollapsing.


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GG2

4:59 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Soros

Well it's high time SOROS move to China then. As for me he

can take all the left wing progressives with him.

TRUSPEEK

4:59 PM ET

November 16, 2010

sorry soros

Soros seems suffering sour grapes - paid so much to winand lost. Habitual loser, I think.

SLOW BOAT TO CHINA -RESERVE A SEAT - YOU MIGHT

FIT IN AS A PRACTICING SOCIALIST - TAKE NOBAMA TOO

'COUSE, IN CHINA YOU CAN'T BUY AN ELECTION

So Sorry Soros - So Long - really - VELLY SOLLY!

IUT

5:11 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Good God

Government in the U.S. would function a lot smoother if itdidn't have to answer to anyone and there would be a lot moremoney to throw around if we just allowed 80% of our people tolive in third world poverty.

We choose not to do that George and guess what, we'll STILLprevail.

George Soros is just the latest in a long line of leftists anxious

to write the American obituary.

First the USSR was going to bury us in the 60s and 70s. Thenthe Arabs were going to buy the whole country. Then theJapanese had an economic system we couldn't possibly

compete with.

Now it's the Chinese. I wonder who's next. The Brazilians?

Go away George.

RBRT

6:02 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Good Leadership

All the US needs is a leader who really believes that the US isstill the worlds best hope. President Obama has run aroundthe world appologizing and expressing his and the Americanleft's belief that the US must not be a powerfull leader in the

world; that we are in decline. IUT is right, its just another "Skyis falling" moment for those in and out of the country whodon't want the US to succeed.

The world is better off because of the US and our belief inpersonal liberty, free markets and democracy. Their is morefreedom in the world than ever before in history and the USwill still lead well into the future precisely because of our

political system.

N IKCKBRODSKY

5:23 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Soros

A govt run by czars, kings, single administration will definitelyrun more efficiently. Decisions and actions come faster.BUT,

it does not care for the individual as in USA. The system doesnot care for the individual lets take for instance our OSHA orthe environmental group. As much as I dislike Cap & trade,we have at least a coutry to express our opinion to apply or

not to apply any ruling. China basically says NO....................

MELHOMES5:28 PM ET

November 16, 2010

A ticket

Hey my man Soros, if you like China sooo much better thanthe good old USA, Move there, we AMERICANS will by you aone way ticket!

LYLE

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November 16, 2010 Soros. The most evil man in the world

GAVINO

6:21 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Bad Advice

"They have now got to accept responsibility for world orderand the interests of other people as well."

Don't tell China that! That's partly why America is in itscurrent decline.

THEDEMIGOD

6:28 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Soros

The man is evil...I have looked into his eyes.

SACCOC1939@AO

L.COM

3:11 PM ET

November 17, 2010

thedemigod

Dont you remember the basics about dealing with the

Antichrist.....never look into their eyes

RPHILLIPS111

6:30 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Soros: China has better Govt . . .

George Soros has spent decades persuading americanbusiness and leaders to go "global" and take their business

out of the US, and now praises China for looking after itself.

In addition, he applauds the rapid shift of economic powerfrom the US to China, which happened because Governmentand industry followed Soros, David Rockefetter, Walmart and

others advice to take production out fo the US to third worldcountries--like China.

Now, having become america's industrial park, China is

naturally passing us economically. OUr leaders have betrayedour nation, and the results of their treasonous conduct iseverywhere visible.

Soros is merely a proud facilitatof of our decline, and gloating

at his success.

OLD LADY

6:51 PM ET

November 16, 2010

China

It's very efficient for a government to get rid of its opponentsby sending them to slave labor camps. It's also efficient todraft masses of people and send them off to work in jobs they

wouldn't choose. And let's not forget the efficiency of forcingabortions on women who might otherwise bring children intothe world.

I fully support Soros's desire to live under such an efficientregime.

Bon voyage, George!

FANTUM

6:56 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Soros: China is better

The reason is China does NOT have George Soros!

V_FOR_VENDETT

A

7:21 PM ET

November 16, 2010

MOVE

Soros, if you think the ChiComs have such a greatgovernment, here is a challenge:1. Move your sorry ass to China.2. Start criticizing them as you do the US government, and

see what happens.

TSUHFP

7:27 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Spooky Dude

I guess Spooky Dude must be happy. Maybe more thananyone he is responsible for the down fall of WesternCivilization in Europe and mabe the US if we don't wake up

and reject all his suicidal progressive ideas. So now Spooky


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Dude is lavishing his praise on China in an attempt to kisstheir butt and worm his way into their economy. Problem is

China has his number and if he tries the same stunts theirthat resulted in the destruction of four currencies he won't getoff so lightly. China will put him in jail, where he belongs, andthrow away the key.

LAOMEI

7:51 PM ET

November 16, 2010

well duh

i've been living in china for around 10 years now and itsabsolutely hilarious to see what the unwashed hoards ofpassportless americans think places they have never been toare like. its honestly very refreshing to live here... politics are

simply something that can be ignored entirely. there aresimply a few lines that you don't cross which in reality arevery minor things.

china is far freer than the us, hands down, especially when itcomes to everyday freedoms.

banks are not out to steal your money... there are no real

fees, there is very good security, everything is done real-timeand everything can be done online.

most services are pay-as-you-go.... no contracts forphone/TV/internet and no fines or fees for being late.

buying a house here, you actually have to have a real downpayment and if you get behind, the banks are very flexible inworking out a modified payment schedule.

taxes are paid each and every month and its really rathersimple, no yearly tax filing bull.

people are far more likely to protest and rise up when there is

an injustice and the government is quick to solve mostproblems when they arise.

the government is structured in a way that is open to inputfrom industry leaders and the party is essentially

technocratic... ie. you actually have to know what you aredoing to be a part of it. while it's possible for the communist

party to hammer through legislation, it's a serious loss of faceto do so without at least 85% approval in the NPC. 70% of theNPC is communist, but it is rare that this supermajority isabused... serious legislation takes years of debate andinvestigation before it is finalized.

"political contributions" are called what they are, bribes andgraft. do they exist? sure, but if you go too far and step onenough toes you get exposed. corrupt politicians in china are

executed. as are serious tax evaders and people who causeserious harm to the nation, its economy or to its people.

far more opportunity in china as well. there are endless ragsto riches stories here and small business is booming... again,

don't step on government toes, pay your taxes and don't

cause public disorder and you can go far.

the legal system is kinda messy to be honest, but it's the

subject of reform currently. however it is still far more fair thanmost. confessing and being remorseful goes a long ways tolighter sentencing and serious penalties are very oftenlightened if you don't fight on technicalities.

the prison system is also not all that bad... the food is not allthat great and the administrators are strict, but there are nobeatings/rapes/prison gangs. labor in prisons is required,

however it is not harsh and very related to the skillset of theprisoner... the point is to help develop skills they can use inthe outside world to avoid falling back on what landed them

there in the first place. 8 hours a day and the same exactbenefits accorded to SOE employees

rip on china all you want, but odds are you have never livedhere, don't actually know anyone who lives here and have no

idea what you are talking about at all.

DEMSRRED

8:29 PM ETQuestion to LAOMEI


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November 16, 2010 If China is such a heaven then why are there so manyChinese immigrants here in the evil U.S. of A? Why are theytrying so hard to risk their lives to come here? Makes me

wonder about your sanity.

Oh BTW do you remember Tianamen Square? That's howfree the Chinese are to express their opinion on the

government.

SEGRADY

9:07 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Been There, have friends there, & your acct is

WRONG

WoW! Talk about a guy who must live in Hong Kong...youclearly have not seen some of the prisons in the HunanProvince or talked to missionaries who have been arrested,beaten or those that have been killed all in China. Beijing as I

saw was not so great, very run down and the old buildingsfrom the first bid for the olympics were falling apart...so it wassurprising to see the new buildings for the 2008 Olympicscost businesses and families there homes and means of

making a living. Most were paid little if anything....hundredswere simply forced to leave without any compensation. So,please go on and expound about how great your life is

there...but try to voice any real disagreement outside of one ofthe major cities or even within them and we all know whathappens...I have dozens of friends who have been there for

longer than you and your 10 years. Really, how long did theyhold you before you were brainwashed?

Sad you are trying to paint a picture of a wonderful ChineseGovernment when everyone has a perfectly clear view of the

actual country you are trying to conceal with smoke andmirrors!

LAOMEI

9:19 PM ET

November 16, 2010

DEMSRRED

Question to LAOMEIIf China is such a heaven then why are there so many

Chinese immigrants here in the evil U.S. of A? Why are theytrying so hard to risk their lives to come here? Makes mewonder about your sanity.

Oh BTW do you remember Tianamen Square? That's how

free the Chinese are to express their opinion on thegovernment.

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Well it should be rather obvious, they are in the US becausethey can get paid higher wages and support people back inChina. to be rich is glorious afterall. Over the years I have

personally assisted numerous Chinese in getting to the US,the vast majority of them come back to China after a fewyears. The ones that stay tend to be either the wacko fringe orones who find a niche market that is high profit.

As for 6/4... is that really the best you can do? Pull upsomething from over 20 years ago that was sensationalizedand that you honestly have zero understanding of?

6/4 happened due to a rapid influx of NEW FREEDOMS andstudents who demanded faster change without any focus orplanning. The first generation that was untouched by theexcesses of the cultural revolution and a privileged class of

people who were out of touch with the actual needs of thecountry.

6/4 happened because there was no ability to negotiate and

there were no real leaders or spokespeople... believe it or not,the government tried to sit down and talk with self-claimed

leaders, however they were not acknowledged as leaders bythe masses. Zhao Ziyang, one of the "good guys" according to

the students was a hack who was losing his power, steppingon way too many toes and had ulterior motives which werepurely political. Rushing out to the square was a hail mary

tactic which was not in line with reality.

Students were attacking the police, attacking the military andsetting fires all around the square. At a time when the nationwas in a recarious s ot due to the colla sin USSR, the


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NUMBER ONE responsibility of the government was to

ensure stability and order, not allowing a decent into chaosand destruction.

I advise you to try anything similar in the US and see what

happens. Go on, go to the national mall, start setting fires,refuse to vacate and then start attacking riot police... see howfast things degrade.

The choices of 6/4 were unfortunate ones, however therewere no good choices. Either entirely abandon 1 billion peopleand leave them to the whims of a handful of students andtheir demands, or suppress the riots. Seeing as China is still

around today and has markedly improved in the past 20 years

with new expansions of freedom, i'd have to say that thecorrect choice was made.

I have some good friends in government here, a benefit ofliving here for over 10 years and going to college here. Thereasons why more information about 6/4 is not releasedpublicly has more to do with how it will be exploited and

twisted by foreign media than the actual events of whathappened and why.

I might as well go and drag america through the gutter on

Kent State and the Bonus Army as well as endless strikesuppressions all throughout american history. it's just aboutas relevant to modern issues as 6/4 is.

LAOMEI

9:56 PM ET

November 16, 2010

SEGRADY

WoW! Talk about a guy who must live in Hong Kong...you

clearly have not seen some of the prisons in the HunanProvince or talked to missionaries who have been arrested,beaten or those that have been killed all in China. Beijing as Isaw was not so great, very run down and the old buildings

from the first bid for the olympics were falling apart...so it wassurprising to see the new buildings for the 2008 Olympicscost businesses and families there homes and means of

making a living. Most were paid little if anything....hundredswere simply forced to leave without any compensation. So,please go on and expound about how great your life isthere...but try to voice any real disagreement outside of one of

the major cities or even within them and we all know whathappens...I have dozens of friends who have been there forlonger than you and your 10 years. Really, how long did theyhold you before you were brainwashed?

Sad you are trying to paint a picture of a wonderful ChineseGovernment when everyone has a perfectly clear view of theactual country you are trying to conceal with smoke and

mirrors!

------Hong Kong? hahaha, hell no. Beijing for the majority and

sichuan/xinjiang for a few years in there for good measure.

So, lets go about picking apart your arguments shall we?

Issue #1 - Olympic related development.

People are very very very greedy when it comes to landcompensation. When it was slated for development, the landwas cheap. As housing skyrocketed in Beijing, these peopledecided they were no longer happy with the new apartments

and cash compensation they received. Classic eminentdomain issues that exist in every country.

People who were paid nothing? Yep, if you are squatting or

living in illegal construction, you don't have the right todemand compensation... simple concept here.

Issue #2 - MissionariesReally basic stuff here, you are perfectly allowed to practice

your religion here, whatever it is as long as it does not createpublic disorder. If you want to step that up and go aroundpreaching, it's gotta have government oversight to ensure it's

not a bunch of extremist crazy talk. You are not allowed toprosthelytize and you are not allowed to induct minors. Thereis loads of historical reasoning for this and it makes perfectsense. Personally, I love not having crazy street preachers

throwing around disgusting pictures and spreading illogical


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nonsense and endless fear mongering. If you consider havingthose things to be "freedom", well, you can keep it... no onewants it here.

LAOMEI

10:16 PM ET

November 16, 2010

more

furthermore, you can dissent and criticize pretty much all you

want here within reason.

"within reason" being the keypoint.

will your protest result in mass civil unrest?

will your protest contain rumors and falsehoods?

is your protest focused on challenging the legitimacy of thegovernment?

is your protest consisting of unconstructive or deconstructivecriticism offering no alternate strategy?is your protest for ulterior motives and deriving undeservedpersonal gains?

will your protest involve issues which are damaging tonational security?

if you answered "no" to these, feel free to go ahead and

protest, if you can help solve a problem by providing aforward-looking and constructive solution or insight, thegovernment definitely appreciates it and encourages it. Thevast majority of corruption is conducted at local levels by low-

level officials. as long as you yourself are "clean", all it takes isa bit of documentation and a few posts online. Thegovernment stance now is less about covering up and moreabout resolving legitimate issues.

it ain't all sunshine and roses here, however my ownexperience over the years is that china-bashers andsinophobes have no idea what they are talking about at all and

are clueless as to how they are being manipulated. i'm notgoing to even bother pointing out what the real issues hereare, because despite any explanation of the standard bull, thebull stays and is then seemingly legitimized with the addition

of real issues. so it's pointless, your heads are thick, eyesblind and ears shut to anything that doesnt fit into yourirrational world views.

CANDIDVIEWS

10:59 PM ET

November 16, 2010

Actually you are full of it

Hey, I have lived in China. In a land of a zillion people, you can

get away with a lot. But when you are caught,or worse havedonenothign wrong and are targeted to be taken down, thereis no justice, there is no openess, there is THE PARTY BOSS

fast track to prison. You are a laughable idiot propagandist fora regime that is biting its nails because the people there areon the brink of open revolt. The tensions between urban andrural populations and the social managment that has failed

keeps your dear leaders awake at night. The cities stink, youcan barely see through choking smog and the recent deadly

fire of the apartment building is symptomtic of a society builton an irrational rush to excess, hard line absolutists, cornercutting and corruption. Been there, seen that. You lie aboutthe fundamentals that will bring the regime down.

LAOMEI

12:21 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Lived in china eh CANDIDVIEWS?

"living in china" != 8 days in china.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-485431.html

So sorry to expose you for the pathetic fraud you are.Michael Albov 816 Colton St. Monterey, CA 93940

IRONFORGE

2:49 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Thanks for the feedback on 6/4

Do appreciate your input here. Gives us info to think forourselves better. I've noticed the "binge villifications" madeagainst China - especially on your "6/4" (that's theuncensored reference designation, I take it). I'm an US Vet

(who has been on Public Security Detail) with Japanese


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Familial ties. With all the "physical" actions taken against theRiot Police and their Military, it's no wonder some deaths

would occur.

As I told a friend's daughter (who was too young tounderstand at the time, yet villifies as she drank a vat of

american "Kool-Aide"), every Country has their method oflegally initiating and implementing sociopolitical reforms.Once the Riot Police and the Military are deployed to maintainorder, the true reformers are held hostage of the Anarchists.

As we had unreasonable people try to harass torch carriers(one wheel-chair bound participant comes to mind) for the2008 Beijing(Peking) Olympics, I'm certain there were thosewho not only challenged the Authorities on 6/4; but engaged in

violent conduct harmful to others.

Note that a good portion of the PRC villifications (or anti-PRCdemonstrations) have had Taiwanese people involved (e.g.

torch bearers). Partially due to my Japanese Heritage, I'mfinding that I get the persecution by such persons (and theirfellow church mates, etc.) in the US (both Coasts) as well.Strange, since they do act quite friendly in Japan.

As you can tell, I find the "two-faced" ethnic-prejudice practiceand overblown propaganda-esque villifications abhorrent; andwould prefer to dialog with honest persons - regardless of

their worldview.

The US does have its own set of issues that require thepeople to debate, revise, and implement.

Again, thanks. You provided more feedback than most newsagencies ever did...

LSPNICOL

9:11 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Ignorant or shameless

I'm a Chinese and I start wondering whether you are really aforeigner or not, since you sounds like a "5 cents", our Party's

cyber propaganda poster.

Freedom of demonstration? Yes, it is honored in theConstitution. But in practice, demonstration can only be legal

when authorized by local government, since in China,Constitution is subject to the Party.

Every day freedom? Fine when you have no interest in politicsat all.

Censorship is not so bad as westerners may think though attimes quite annoying if you try to visit some banned Taiwanand Hong Kong web. As for the 3 main western web

banned:Facebook, Youtube, and twitter, I just don't knowwhether the government banned them for censorship orprotectionism, for our domestic equivalent flourish.

KS7347

10:10 AM ET

November 17, 2010

Don't waste your time talking sense to these

people

They are so far into their alternative universe painted by GlennBeck and Fox that they have lost the able to understand

reality, comprehend logics and come up with an intelligentcounter-argument based on facts.

The best they can do, and sadly also the last line of defense

they can put up, is "if you like it so much, why don't you moveto China" or "you must be a commie working for the Chinesegovernment because you disagree with me - the one whoalways knows the truth."

I think they learned that tactic from they obese, lazy andmoody wife/girlfriend who, everytime she caught a glimpse ofhim staring at a beautiful lady on the street or salivating over a

Victoria Secrets ad, yells "if you like her so much, why don'tyou move out of the house and marry her, and btw, give meall your money on your way out."

PCNAV

10:31 AM ETHoo Hum...


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November 17, 2010 After reading "unwashed hoards of passportless americans" Istopped reading. I have no time for elitist scum who think theyare smarter than millions of people they've never met.

SQUEEDLE

1:44 PM ET

November 17, 2010

You don't get to blow off everyone else's

opinion.

Sure, I've never lived in China. I've never played violin either,

but I know a sour note when I hear one, and I don't have to gosomewhere to be able to reason and find trusted sources ofinformation, and to have a valid opinion. I have known plenty ofPRC Chinese and pretty much all of them are planning to stay

here in the US permanently, and none of them could becategorized as "wackos." They're physicists and softwareengineers, mostly. These are people who could easily find a

job in China, wouldn't you think?

Your long, carefully worded defense sounds like propagandato me. No place is as rosy as that and I know what priceChinese cities have to pay for all that growth - horrible

pollution, traffic jams the likes of which exist nowhere else inthe world, and the mass exodus from the countryside into thecities has led to major overcrowding which puts serious strain

on infrastructure. I think it's pretty clear that governmentoversight is highly dependent on the moral capacity of theperson running the various departments, and the fact that

they miss (or ignore) serious problems with the food supply(infant formula contaminated with melamine??) andconsumer products tells me that the government isdysfunctional in key areas. Their knee-jerk reaction to any

external criticism is also quite ridiculous, only matched by theTurks. You seem to have joined in the fun.

I also know where you haven't been - the countryside. Any a-hole who insists that the Chinese government functions better

than the USA's obviously hasn't been there either. From whatI understand from people who HAVE been there, particularly inWestern China, people are still living in what amounts to 19th

century conditions and the Chinese government has almostno idea what's going on, much less any real control there.Frankly I think the problem is China is just too damned big(both geographically and by population) to be effective over

the whole place, so the government just focuses on the areaswhere the most money and people are. The US has anadvantage of being 1/4th the size but it's almost too big itself.That's just basic economics - an organization, once it gets

over a certain size, eventually becomes too expensive toadministrate effectively.

I'm boggled that nobody even brought up the Tibet issue. Not

that Tibetans themselves are beyond reproach, but China didinvade and annex a sovereign country, and immediatelybegan patriating Han Chinese there. Nobody with half a brainthinks that had anything to do with historical reasons, rather it

was about the massive amounts of uranium and other natural

resources Tibet has. How are the Tibetans treated by thegovernment, which is almost entirely Han Chinese? From

where I stand there is a thick glass ceiling for ethnic minoritiesunless you sell out your group's interests completely,sometimes not even then.

The gender imbalance has become a serious problem in

some areas too, from what I understand, what with gender-based abortions and the occasional female infanticide, towhere some areas have 20% more boys than girls. You also

don't mention forced abortions which have been documentedby reliable sources (no I won't cite it, you people know how touse a search engine).

People can say whatever they want on the internet without

having to prove themselves - even post other people'saddresses and not their own. The fact that you did this tellsme you're pretty desperate to discredit critics.

I hate to find myself on the side of the "Soros is part of theIlluminati Conspiracy for New World Order" nutjobs, but he'sat best an ignorant, shortsighted git for saying this, and youLaomei, are a shill who doesn't know the difference between

hoard and horde.


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