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SOUND TRANSMISSION BETWEEN MUSICIANS IN A SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA ON A CONCERT HALL STAGE Magne Skålevik, Brekke&Strand, www.akutek.info

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Page 1: Sound transmission through a symphony orchestra on a concert … · 2009. 5. 8. · empty stage cannot alone describe real conditions . Measurement description Time January 31,

SOUND TRANSMISSION BETWEEN MUSICIANS IN A SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA ON A CONCERT

HALL STAGE

Magne Skålevik,

Brekke&Strand,

www.akutek.info

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Motivation• Mutual hearing in orchestra is essential• Mutual hearing needs sound transmission• We need to know what they hear, namely:

– Direct sound quality (time and frequency)– Indirect sound paths quality– Effect of Directivity, Height (source-receiver),

Sightlines (open sound path), Obstacles• Measurements with omni-directional source on

empty stage cannot alone describe real conditions

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Measurement descriptionTime January 31, 2007Place Oslo Concert Hall, podiumOrchestra Oslo Philharmonic, 90 musicians,

instruments, music standsTransducers 3.5” speaker, omni-microphoneSoftware winMLS 2004Number of

measurements16

Variables Source-receiver heightsCanopy (with-without)Directionality (source axis direction)Musicians (occupied-empty chairs)

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Oslo Philharmonic Orchestrain Oslo Concert Hall

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1. Violin to contrabassoon (11m)

Illustration of source-receiver positions(Image: http://www.mti.dmu.ac.uk/~ahugill/manual/seating.html )

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IR and FR (0-50ms)OFO_21OFO_18

Time Data - Title

Time [ms]9492908886848280787674727068666462605856545250484644424038363432302826

unca

l. [v

olts

] / u

ncal

. [vo

lts],

[Lin

ear]

80

60

40

20

0

-20

-40

-60

-80

Lower limitx=33.708 ms

y=0.0210

Type: Rectangulardx=50.021 msdy=1.375Upper limitx=83.729 msy=-1.354

WinMLS Pro

OFO_21OFO_18

Smoothed Frequency Response Magnitude - Title

Name: OFO_18 Comment: CommentMeasured - 10:16:38, 31Jan2007 Plotted - 19:58:28, 30Aug 2007

Frequency [Hz]100 1 000 10 000un

cal.

[vol

ts] /

unc

al. [

volts

], [d

B] 66

64

62

60

58

56

54

WinMLS Pro

1.Violin to Bassoon, without canopy (blue curve), and with canopy (red)

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G50

• Parameter used in this study is G50• G50 obtained from G and D50 in winMLS

G50 = G + 10*log(D50)• G50 is hearing-related (50ms merging)• G50 is detail sensitive• Tonal information (intonation) is better

described with longer ->200ms integration

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Chaos around 250Hz• Interference- and wave-related

-10

-5

0

5

10

15

63 125 250 500 1000 2000 4000 8000 16000

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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Simplified to 3 bands (250Hz removed)

• 63-125Hz, 0.5-2kHz, 4-8kHz

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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Reference (0dB) measurement

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

0.00 m ax NoCan Orch

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Reference (0dB) measurement

0.00 m ax NoCan Orch

Path height Path along source axis

No canopy Orchestra present

All levels are G50 in dB

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Canopy effect3dB boost, f > 400Hz

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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19 cm lower source-receiver path÷3dB for f > 400Hz

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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24cm higher source-receiver path÷1 in low, +3 in mid, +8 in high

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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46cm higher source-receiver path÷3 weaker bass!, +6 in mid, +10 in high

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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Musicians missingEquivalent to 24cm elevated path

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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Directivity effect0dB, 4dB and 6dB at normal path (diagram)0dB, 6dB and 14dB at free path (+46cm)

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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Obstacle effectVariation: 9dB in mid, 13dB in high

-9

-6

-3

0

3

6

9

12

63-125 0.5-2k 4-8k

0,46 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan NoOrch

0,24 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m ax Canopy Orch

0,00 m ax NoCan Orch

-0,19 m ax NoCan Orch

0,00 m offax NoCan Orch

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Path height sensitivity

63-125Hz ÷6dB/m

500-2000Hz +15dB/m

4000-8000Hz +20dB/m

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Conclusions• Obstacle effect significant at f>400Hz

– > Canopy can compensate if it reflects f >400Hz• Canopy support underestimated on empty stage• Directivity more prominent with free paths• Elevated source/receiver -> less bass• Research, predictions and measurements in

Stage Acoustics should take the orchestra obstacle effect into account

• “Randomness” from obstacles and directivity– 9dB in 0.5-2kHz, and 13dB in 4-8kHz

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Further work, further questions

• Radiation from musical instruments– Dynamic aspects, analysis– Is the direct sound path preferred?– Or are multiple paths preferred?

• In terms of remedies– Orchestra raisers to provide direct paths?– Stage environment providing multiple paths?

• “Randomness” in directivity and obstacles– Is it equalized (averaged) by ensemble effect?

• Significance of integration limit ->200ms

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Thank you!• Full paper:

http://www.akutek.info/Papers/MS_Sound_Transmission.pdf

• Acoustics, research, papers, more: www.akutek.info

• ICA homepage: http://www.icacommission.org/