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GOOD COUNSEL COLLEGE
SENIOR SUBJECT CHOICE
2020
Leaving Certificate Programme
• Leaving Certificate is a 2 year programme.• Full time commitment required over 2 years.
• 5th year is very important especially for those hoping to gain entry to high points courses.
• Usually a maximum of 7 subjects are taken for the Leaving Certificate.
• An 8th Extra subject? Applied Maths for eg.
• Almost all subjects are of equal importance.• 25 extra points will be awarded by the universities and
ITs for a score above a H6 Maths (> 40%)
Points System *** new LC 2017
Honours Points Honours Grade % Bands Ordinary Grade Ordinary Points
100 H1 90 - 100 O1 56
88 H2 80 - 89 O2 46
77 H3 70 - 79 O3 37
66 H4 60 - 69 O4 28
56 H5 50 - 59 O5 20
46 H6 40 - 49 O6 12
37 H7 30 - 39 O7 0
0 H8 0 - 29 O8 0
Points System *** new 2017
Bonus points
H6 or above in Maths
Extra 25 points
Sample Calculation
Paul
Subject Level Grade Score
Irish H 3 77
English O 1 56
Maths H 2 88+25=113
Geography H 2 88
Biology H 3 77
Physics O 2 46
German H 2 88
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Add the 6 best scores shown in RED Points = 499
Leaving Certificate Programme
• Highly Desirable Subjects• Unless there is a substantial reason otherwise, all students
should definitely consider choosing:
1.a modern language (NUI/UL/TCD)
2.a science subject.
• Subject Levels• Higher and Ordinary level all subjects.
• Particular care needs to be taken with Mathematics. Failure in this subject can be detrimental to overall L.C.
• LC subject selection• Core subjects: English, Mathematics & Irish*
• Optional subjects: Usually 4 other subjects are chosen
Optional Subjects (4 from 15)
BUSINESS
• Business
• Accounting
• Economics
SCIENCE
• Agricultural Science
• Biology
• Physics
• Chemistry
LANGUAGES
• Spanish
• German
PRACTICAL / APPLIED SCIENCE
• Technology
• Design and Communication Graphics
• P.E. * 2020
SOCIAL STUDIES
• History
• Geography
• Music
• Art Information on LC subjects is available on curriculumonline.ie and careersportal.ie
Entry Requirements
• When choosing Leaving Certificate subjects great care must
be taken as the choices of subjects made now may
determine 3rd level and career options in 2 years time.
• Why? Regardless of how many points you get in your LC,
you will be ineligible to even apply for a course if you have
not met it’s “Course Entry Requirements”
• Meet Entry Requirements Qualified
Applicant for Course
• College Faculty Points (CFP)
Minimum Entry Requirements of
major CAO Colleges
Institution Minimum grades Required subjects
NUI Colleges: UCD, MU,
NUIG, UCC. (RCSI, Shannon)
2H5 + 4O6 O6/H7 in Eng, Irish &
Modern Language*.
Trinity College Dublin 3H5 + 3O6 O6/H7 in Maths, Eng &
another Language
University of Limerick 2H5 + 4O6 O6/H7 in Maths, Eng. &
Irish or another Lang.
Dublin City University 2H5 + 4O6 O6/H7 in Maths, Eng or
Irish
Technical University of
Dublin
2H5 + 4O6 (H.D.)
5O6 (O.D. or H.C.)
O6/H7 in Maths, Eng or
Irish
Regional Institutes of
Technology
2H5 + 4O6 (H.D.)
5O6 (O.D. or H.C.)
O6/H7 in Maths, Eng or
Irish
Specific Course Requirements
• Specific L.C. subjects / grades required for entry to
particular courses.
• They tend to be in the following subject areas:
• Science subjects
• Languages
• Mathematics
• E.g. Veterinary Medicine in UCD
Entry Requirements:
• 2H5 + 4O6, O6/H7 in English, Irish, Modern Language &
Mathematics, H5 in Chemistry.
Sample Requirements
Irish
• Primary Teaching – H4
• Irish & Journalism (DCU) – H4
• Early and Modern Irish (TCD) –H4
• Gno & Gaeilge (DCU) – O1/H4
French
• Law with French Law (UCD) –
H3
• Bus. Studies and French (TCD) –
H3
• Law and French (TCD) – H3
A Language• Many courses require a
language but may not specify a particular one:
• International Tourism &
Languages (TU Dublin) – H3 in
Ge, Sp, Ir, It, Ch or Fr.
• Applied Languages (DCU) – H4
in Fr or Ge or Sp.
• Speech and Language Therapy
(TCD) – H4 in En, Fr, Ge, Ir, It,
Ru or Sp.
• Cadet School – O6/H7 in a
modern Language.
Sample Requirements
Mathematics
• Honours Engineering – H4
• Business Studies (DCU) –
O4/H6
• Optometry (TU Dublin) - O3/H7
• Economics & Finance (UCD) –
H4
• Business (TCD) – O4/H6
• Science (UCD) – O2/H6
• Commerce (UCD) – O2/H6
• Financial Maths (UL) – H3
Science
• Particular care needs to be taken with
science subjects.
• Many courses require any one science
subject
• Some courses require 2 science
subjects, particularly TCD and UCC.
• UCAS courses
• Nursing – O6/H7 in a Lab. Sc.
• Medical/Para medical courses
Chemistry
• Pharmacy – H4 TCD & UCC, H5 RCSI
• Human Nutrition, Medicine & Dentistry
(UCC) – H4, Veterinary Medicine - H5
Specific Course Requirements
• Unlikely that students will know exactly, which courses they will wish to pursue at this stage.
• But from looking at their interests, abilities and aptitudes students may be able to identify broad areas of interest and hence check potential course entry requirements.
• Course Entry Requirements can be accessed:
a) In the college’s prospectuses
b) On the college’s websites
c) Directory of LC Entry Requirements – Careers Office
d) www.qualifax.ie - Subject Requirements
• It is only when all course entry requirements are met that students are qualified to apply for a course.
General Advice
If a student is unsure of what to do in the future:
Pick a broad range of subjects in order to keep options open
Many students will change their minds about their future a number of times in the next 2 years
• E.g.
• one language
• one science
• one business
• one humanities / applied science.
• This combination would allow access into a broad range of courses/careers.
Choosing a Subject
A wise choice of subjects requires:
RESEARCH
DISCUSSION
REFLECTION
DECISION
L.C. Books, Guidance
Classes, Other Students
Subject Teachers, Web,
TY Prog., Publications
Guidance Counsellor,
Current TeachersParents, Friends
Consider all the
information, views and
opinions
Then, ultimately each
student must make up
their own mind.
Choosing a Subject
Key Questions
1. What subjects are the school offering?
2. If I’m interested in a particular course/career area, what subjects are essential? ( Course Entry Requirements)
3. If not essential, what subjects would be useful/helpful for this course/career area? (useful vs. points)
4. What subjects do I like? (motivation) (not the teacher)
5. What subjects am I relatively good at? (DATs) (JC)
Important Points
• DCG/Technology are not needed to do Engineering. Maths and Physics are more important.
• Art is generally not needed for Art and Design courses. A portfolio is however.
• For Business courses, Maths is generally a requirement rather than Business subjects.
• Every student is a unique bundle of interests, abilities and aptitudes, hence they should choose subjects based on these and not current friendships or the opinions of others.
• Learning vs. understanding subjects.
• Students should be aware of balancing subjects which help maximise points vs. subjects which may be of benefit to them in the future.
Good Counsel College
SubjectsAccounting * requires JC Business History
Business Geography
Economics
Agricultural Science
Art
Biology
Chemistry Technology * JC
Physics Design and Communication Graphics
*JC
Spanish Requires *JC P. E.
German Requires *JC
Consequences of poor Subject Choice
• Student may be quite unhappy in the subject for 2 years
and hence motivation will be a recurring issue.
• Student may not do well in subject and the overall grade
may be impacted on.
• Student may end up not having a subject they need for a
particular career/college course they are interested in.
• In 5th year student may want to change to another subject.
We will try to facilitate this where we think it is the best
option, however, we may not always be able to do this.
• Changing a subject 6/8/10 weeks into 5th year has a lot of
disadvantages and should be avoided if at all possible.
Thank You
• Good Evening.