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Technical Committee on Venting Systems for Cooking Appliances

(VEN-AAA)

Memorandum

DATE: April 11, 2016 TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Venting Systems for

Cooking Appliances (VEN – AAA) FROM: Jacqueline Wilmot, Fire Protection Engineer/NFPA Staff Liaison SUBJECT: AGENDA PACKAGE – NFPA 96 Second Draft Meeting (F2016)

Enclosed is the agenda for the NFPA 96 Second Draft meeting of the Technical Committee on

Venting Systems for Cooking Appliances, which will be held on Monday, April 11, 2016 at

Holiday Inn Downtown Memphis. Please review the attached public comments in advance, and

if you have alternate suggestions, please come prepared with proposed language and respective

substantiation.

If you have any questions prior to the meeting, please do not hesitate to contact me at: Office: (617) 984-7498 E-mail: [email protected] For administrative questions, please contact Jenny Depew at (617) 984 -7505. I look forward to working with everyone.

Technical Committee on Venting Systems for Cooking Appliances

(VEN-AAA) NFPA 96 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2016)

Monday, April 11, 2016

Holiday Inn Downtown Memphis

160 Union Avenue, Memphis, TN 38103

AGENDA

1. Call to Order – 8:00 am

2. Introduction and Attendance

3. Review Agenda

4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in F2016 Cycle

5. Chairman Comments

6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

7. Act on Public Comments for NFPA 96

8. Generate Committee Comments for NFPA 96

Report from the TG on Correlation of NFPA 96 with NFPA 17A

Report from the TG on Access Doors

Report from the TG on Water wash extinguishing systems

Report from the TG on Training of Kitchen Staff

Report from the TG on Mobile Cooking Operations

9. Other Business

10. Next Meeting

11. Adjourn Meeting – No later than 5pm

Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair and staff liaison at least seven days prior to the meeting.

Technical Committee on Venting Systems for Cooking Appliances (VEN-AAA)

NFPA 96 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2016) April 11, 2016



Key Dates for the Fall 2016 Revision Cycle

Final Date for First Draft Meeting June 15, 2015 Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot August 3, 2015 Final date for Ballot Return August, 24, 2015 Post First Draft Report for Public Comment September 7, 2015 Public Comment Closing Date November, 16, 2015 Final Date for Second Draft Meeting May 2, 2016 Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot June 13, 2016 Final Date for Ballot Return July 5, 2016 Final Second Draft Posted July 18, 2016 Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) August 22, 2016 Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) November 11, 2016 NFPA Annual Meeting June 2016 Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 10, 2017 Technical Committee deadlines are in bold.

Wednesday 03 16, Wednesday

Venting Systems for Cooking AppliancesVEN-AAAName Representation Class Office

Distribution by %

Company

Christopher A. Roth Town of Brighton E Chair

R. T. Leicht State of Delaware IFMA E Secretary

Mark A. Buchanan City of Boston Fire Department E Principal

Christopher M. Hiener Union Fire District of South Kingstown E Principal

Armond Lombas Louisiana Office of the State FireMarshal

E Principal

5Voting Number Percent 17%

Ted Cabaniss Zurich Services Corporation I Principal

Steven F. Levin CNA Insurance Company I Principal

Frederick Sanford Liberty Mutual Insurance Company I Principal


Bernard P. Besal Besal Services, Inc. IKECA IM Principal

Laurence W. Caraway, Jr. Kitchen Klean Inc. IM Principal

Rod Getz Getz Fire Equipment NAFED IM Principal

M. D. “Doc” Reisman Averus, Inc. CHDCA IM Principal

James F. Valentine, Jr. James F. Valentine, Jr., Inc. IM Principal

Michael Hinderliter Facilitec Southwest (Hood Specialists,Inc.)

PWNA IM Voting Alternate


Mark T. Conroy Brooks Equipment Company M Principal

Michael Luft Van-Packer Company, Inc. M Principal

Philip O. Morton Gaylord Industries Inc. M Principal

Shaun Ray Metal-Fab, Inc. AHRI M Principal

Christopher R. Schulz Van-Packer Company, Inc. M Principal

J. Craig Voelkert Amerex Corporation FEMA M Principal


Dwayne E. Sloan UL LLC UL RT Principal


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Venting Systems for Cooking AppliancesVEN-AAAName Representation Class Office

Distribution by %

Company

Phil Ackland Phillip Ackland Holdings Ltd. SE Principal

Lee C. DeVito Jensen Hughes/FIREPROIncorporated

JH SE Principal

Thomas J. Klem T. J. Klem and Associates, LLC IAAI SE Principal

James G. Munger QDOT Engineering, LLC SE Principal

Harry Schildkraut S2O Consultants, Inc. FCSI SE Principal


Hugo Aguilar International Association of Plumbing& Mechanical Officials

IAPMO U Principal

John Lopes Department of the Navy, NAVFACPacific

U Principal

Matthew Schumacher UT Southwestern Medical Center U Principal


29Total Voting Number

Technical Committee on Venting Systems for Cooking Appliances (VEN-AAA)

NFPA 96 Second Draft Meeting (Fall 2016) April 11, 2016



General Procedures for Meetings

Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any NFPA Committee Meeting is not permitted.

Attendance at all NFPA Committee Meetings is open. All guests must sign in and identify their affiliation.

Participation in NFPA Committee Meetings is generally limited to committee members and NFPA staff. Participation by guests is limited to individuals, who have received prior approval from the chair to address the committee on a particular item, or who wish to speak regarding public proposals or comments that they submitted.

The chairman reserves the right to limit the amount of time available for any presentation.

No interviews will be allowed in the meeting room at any time, including breaks.

All attendees are reminded that formal votes of committee members will be secured by letter ballot. Voting at this meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement, but only the results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee.

Note to Special Experts: Particular attention is called to Section 3.3(e ) of the NFPA Guide for Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process in the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any interest they may represent, other than their official designation as shown on the committee roster. This typically occurs when a special expert is trained by and represents another interest category on a particular subject. If such a situation exists on a specific issue or issues, the committee member shall declare those interest to the committee and refrain from voting on any action relating to those issues.

Smoking is not permitted at NFPA Committee Meetings.

NFPA Technical Committee

Venting Systems for Cooking Appliances

Minutes - First Draft Meeting Buena Vista Palace – Lake Buena Vista, FL

May 5 -6, 2015 Page 1

Attendees

Principals Alternates Guests

Christopher Roth, Chair Gray Fowler Barry Chase (NFPA) Hugo Aguilar Bruce Lukens Bill Klingenmaier Bernard Besal Norbert Makowka Adam Walker Ted Cabaniss Javendra Parikh Sheryl Lemire Russell Clark Michael Luft Mark Conroy Non-Voting Member Michael Laderoute Lee DeVito Russell Fleming Evan deVries Christopher Heiner Jack K. Dick Thomas Klem Jacqueline Wilmot, Staff Liaison Brad Schoenbauer R.T. Leicht David deVries Steven Levin Brad Howard Armond Lombas J.R. Nerat Philip Morton Larry Angle Shaun Ray M.D. Reisman Frederick Sanford Harry Schildkraut Dwayne Sloan J. Craig Voelkert May 5, 2015 Meeting at the Buena Vista Palace Hotel called to order at 8:00 AM by Chairman Christopher Roth. Chair introduced Staff Liaison, Jacqueline Wilmot. Jacqueline Wilmot passed around the Committee List and asked attendees

to make any necessary corrections. Also passed around an attendance list and asked that attendees check off their names.

Staff Liaison, Jacqueline Wilmot also introduced Barry Chase of NFPA Staff who is attending this meeting and the following NFPA 17/17A meeting, for support and assistance.

Attendees introduced themselves. There were 18 voting Committee members of which 1 was an Alternate. There was 1 Non-

Voting member as well as other non-voting Alternates present. Also attending were 13 guests. Motion and second to accept Minutes of A-2014 ROC meeting (Baltimore, MD), succeeded. Jacqueline Wilmot reviewed the new NFPA “Standards Making” Process.

Jacqueline Wilmot also reviewed the revision cycle dates:

Ballots mailed to TC before - August 3, 2015 Ballots to be returned by - August 24, 2015

First Draft to be published and posted - September 7, 2015 Closing Date for COMMENTS - November 16, 2015

Final date for Second Draft meeting - May 2, 2016

Second Draft to be published and posted - July 18, 2016 NFPA Association Meeting - June, 2017




May 5 -6, 2015 Page 2

Jacqueline Wilmot indicated that the meeting of the 2017 NFPA Annual meeting is tentatively scheduled for June in a location yet to be determined.

Chairman Roth reminded all that voice and vote on all issues are reserved to only Principals and to Alternates where the TC

Principal is not in attendance. An Alternate may be permitted to speak to, and vote on a particular issue when the Principal is in attendance with approval of the Chair. In such case the Principal will defer to the Alternate and the Principal will not have voice or vote on that particular issue. Only one guest (J. R. Nerat) has requested, and has been granted, permission in advance to speak to a particular issue.

Technical Committee members began to review and act on 90 Proposals to NFPA 96. In the course of the review, Chairman

Roth recognized some guests to speak on particular issues to assist the Committee in fully addressing a proposal.

Additionally, Chairman Roth assigned the following Task Groups to meet informally regarding some specific proposals and meet back with the Committee with recommendations.

TASK GROUPS

Task Title Group Leader Group Members Correlation of 96 with 17A Mark Conroy Craig Voelkert, Fred Sanford, Phil Morton, Bruce Lukens,

Dave deVries, Bill Klingenmaier, Larry Angle Access Doors Shaun Ray Dwayne Sloan, Marc Conroy, Jay Parikh Water wash extinguishing Systems Russ Fleming R. T. Leicht, Phil Morton, Hugo Aguilar, Dwayne Sloan Training of Kitchen staff R. T. Leicht Mark Conroy, Dave deVries Mobile Food Truck Lee DeVito Mark Conroy, Chris Hiener, Dwayne Sloan

Meeting recessed by Chair at 6:00 PM until 8:00 AM, May 6, 2015.




May 5 -6, 2015 Page 3

May 6, 2015 Meeting reconvened at 8:00 AM. Called to order by Chairman Roth. Technical Committee members continued to review and act on Public Input to NFPA 96. In the course of the review, the Chair

entertained reports from Task Groups previously appointed. Meeting recessed by Chair at 12:45 PM until 1:30 PM. Meeting reconvened at 1:35 pm and called back to order by Chairman Roth. Technical Committee members completed the

review and actions on the remaining public proposals to NFPA 96 Chairman Roth reminded the members of the Technical Committee that a 2/3 majority is required on the ballot to accept each

of the Technical Committee actions. Chairman Roth appointed the following Task Group Leader and Task Group members. The Chairman suggested that the

Group Leader plan to deliberate on the issues by e-mail as the most cost effective way. The Group Leader can call on other persons, TC members or not, to assist in pursuing the Group’s goals.

Task Title Group Leader Group Members

Mobile Cooking Operations Lee DeVito Mark Conroy, Chris Hiener, Dwayne Sloan Chairman Roth indicated that the next meeting (Final Draft) of the Committee, once scheduled (date, time, and place), will be

announced to the Committee in advance by the NFPA Staff Liaison through normal communication means. Date must be prior to May 3, 2016.

There being no further business, motion to adjourn at 4:40 PM succeeded.

Respectfully submitted R. T. Leicht Acting Secretary

Public Comment No. 23-NFPA 96-2015 [ Section No. 2.3.1 ]

2.3.1 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM E84, Standard Test Method for Surface Burning Characteristics of Building Materials, 2015a.

ASTM E119, Standard Test Methods for Fire Tests of Building Construction and Materials, 2014 2015 .

ASTM E136, Standard Test Method for Behavior of Materials in a Vertical Tube Furnace at 750°C, 2012.

ASTM E814, Standard Test Method for Fire Tests of Through-Penetration Fire Stops, 2013a.

ASTM E2336, Standard Test Methods for Fire Resistive Grease Duct Enclosure Systems, 2014.

ASTM E2652, Standard Test Method for Behavior of Materials in a Tube Furnace with a Cone-shapedAirflow Stabilizer, at 750°C, 2012.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

update

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First Revision No. 55-NFPA 96-2015 [Section No. 2.3.1]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Marcelo Hirschler

Organization: GBH International

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Submittal Date: Fri Nov 06 15:31:49 EST 2015

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4.1.9 *

Cooking equipment used in fixed, mobile, or temporary concessions, such as trucks, buses, trailers,pavilions, tents, or any form of roofed enclosure, shall comply with this standard unless otherwiseexempted by the authority having jurisdiction in accordance with 1 . 3.2 of this standard .


This Public Comment requests returning the text of this section back to the existing language. There are many instances where temporary cooking situations do not warrant the extensive provisions of NFPA 96, such as a car dealership using a small, residential BBQ to cook hotdogs. Rather than having the AHJ inundated with requests for regulating these types of situations, the existing provision makes it clear that the AHJ can exempt them. For that reason, the provision should be deleted.

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Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, WA

Affilliation: NFPAs Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)

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6.1.2

Listed grease filters and grease removal devices that are removable but not an integral component of aspecific listed exhaust hood shall be listed in accordance with ANSI/UL 1046 and shall be clearlydesignated on the filter so it is visible with the filter installed . In proximity to the filter location, a label shallbe permanently fixed on the hood that states “Use Listed Filters.” .


First Revision #9 does not address the visibility of the filter label when the filter is installed, which was the intent of Public Input 121. This Public Comment seeks to add the visibility issue back for consideration. This Public Comment also adds a provision to remind the person that installs the filter that listed filters are required to be utilized.

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Public Input No. 121-NFPA 96-2015 [Section No. 6.1.2]





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9.3.7

If the heat source is non-electric and open flames are used, a carbon monoxide detector shall be installedin both the kitchen and dining areas.


NFPA’s Building Code Development Committee (BCDC) is in agreement with the negative comment. The scope of this standard is not detection, but more so ventilation. If CO detection is desired, then it should be submitted to NFPA 1, 101 and 5000, because it falls within the scope of those documents. Note that the technical justification seems insufficient.

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First Revision No. 19-NFPA 96-2015 [New Section after 9.3.6]





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10.1.3

Fume incinerators, thermal recovery units, air pollution control devices, or other devices installed in theexhaust duct, shall be protected by an independent a fire-extinguishing system with its own automaticdetection for system actuation .


The minimum requirement should be for a fire protection system. An independent system is only one option for fulfilling this requirement. The substantiation provided with the change in the First Revision does not provide justification for an "independent system".

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Submitter Full Name: Mark Conroy

Organization: Brooks Equipment Company

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Submittal Date: Tue Nov 10 15:05:57 EST 2015


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Public Comment No. 28-NFPA 96-2015 [ Section No. 10.2.3.2 ]

10.2.3.2

Effective January 1, 2014, all existing All existing fire-extinguishing systems shall meet the requirements of10.2.3.


The intent of Public Input 103 was to eliminate the date since the effective date has passed. Since the effective date has passed, there is no need to identify the date. Now, all existing systems now need to comply. Consideration could be given to adding the Technical Committee statement to Public Input 103 as annex material because the information – that the provision became a requirement for all systems after January 1, 2014 giving 2 years to comply – may be useful.

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Public Input No. 103-NFPA 96-2014 [Section No. 10.2.3.2]





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Public Comment No. 33-NFPA 96-2015 [ Section No. 10.3.1.1.1 ]

10.3.1.1.1

Hoods installed end to end, back to back, or both, sharing a common ductwork, the ductwork beyond 75ftfrom the farthest hood, shall be protected by a fire-extinguishing system, either an independentfire-extinguishing system with its own detection system and shall not require or a system withsimultaneous activation with by the hoods’ fire-extinguishing systems.


Both arrangements will extinguish the fire. NFPA standards typically provide minimum requirements for a reasonable level of fire protection without establishing a preference of one arrangement over another.

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First Revision No. 45-NFPA 96-2015 [Section No. 10.3.1.1]




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10.5.3

Instruction regarding the proper use of portable fire extinguishers and the manual activation offire-extinguishing equipment shall be documented and shall be provided by the management to newemployees on hiring and to all employees semiannually annually .


As drafted, First Revision 26 adds requirements that exceed OSHA requirements in 29 CFR 1910.157(g) for portable fire extinguishers and 29 CFR 1910.160 (b) for fixed extinguishing systems. Both of these OSHA provisions require annual, not semiannual training.

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11.2. 9

Inspection and maintenance records, including certificates

8.1 Certificates of inspection and maintenance

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shall be permitted to be

stored and accessed

forwarded to or shared with the authority having jurisdiction by either hard copy or electronically.


Inspection and maintenance records should be allowed to forwarded to, or shared with, the AHJ by hard copy (mail) or electronically (email or allowing access). The wording in the first revision could be misinterpreted to allow access by others. Replacing 11.2.9 with the proposed text clarifies that inspection and maintenance records can be shared with the AHJ by either method.

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Public Comment No. 30-NFPA 96-2015 [ Chapter B ]

Annex B Informational References

B.1 Referenced Publications.

The documents or portions thereof listed in this annex are referenced within the informational sections ofthis standard and are not part of the requirements of this document unless also listed in Chapter 2 for otherreasons.

B.1.1 NFPA Publications.

National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471.

NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers, 2017 edition.

NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, 2015 edition.

NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code, 2017 edition.

B.1.2 Other Publications.

B.1.2.1 ANSI Publications.

American National Standards Institute, Inc., 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor, New York, NY, 10036.

ANSI Z83.11, Gas Food Service Equipment, 2006 (reaffirmed 2011).

B.1.2.2 ASHRAE Publications.

ASHRAE, Inc., 1791 Tullie Circle, N.E., Atlanta, GA 30329-2305.

Kuehn, T. H., et al., “Effects of air velocity on grease deposition in exhaust ductwork,” ASHRAE ResearchProject 1033-RP Final Report. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota, 2006.

ASHRAE STD 154, Ventilation for Commercial Cooking Operations, 2011.

B.1.2.3 ASTM Publications.

ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959.

ASTM E136, Standard Test Method for Behavior of Materials in a Vertical Tube Furnace at 750ºC, 2012.

B.1.2.4 GA Publications.

GA, 6525 Belcrest Road, Suite 480, Hyattsville, MD 20782.

GA-600, Gypsum Fire Resistance Design Manual, 1992 21st edition, 2015 .

B.1.2.5 Other Publications.

ANSI/IKECA C10, Standard for Cleaning of Commercial Kitchen Exhaust Systems, Philadelphia:International Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning Association, 2011.

B.1.2.6 NSF International Publications.

NSF International, P.O. Box 130140, 789 N. Dixboro Road, Ann Arbor, MI 48113-0140.

NSF/ANSI 2, Food Equipment, 2012.


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B.1.2.7 UL Publications.

Underwriters Laboratories Inc., 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-2096.

ANSI/ UL 197, Standard for Commercial Electric Cooking Appliances, 2014.

ANSI/ UL 199, Standard for Automatic Sprinklers for Fire-Protection Service, 2005, revised 2013 .

ANSI/ UL 300, Standard for Fire Testing of Fire Extinguishing Systems for Protection of Restaurant CookingAreas, 2014.

ANSI/ UL 710B, Standard for Recirculating Systems, 2014.

ANSI/ UL 737, Standard for Fireplace Stoves, 2011, revised 2015 .

ANSI/ UL 896, Standard for Oil-Burning Stoves, 1993, revised 2013 .

ANSI/ UL 923, Standard for Microwave Cooking Appliances, 2013.

UL Subject 199B Outline , Outline of Investigation for Control Cabinets for Automatic Sprinkler SystemsUsed for Protection of Commercial Cooking Equipment, 2006 2015 .

UL Subject 199E Outline , Outline of Investigation for Fire Testing of Sprinklers and Water Spray Nozzlesfor Protection of Deep Fat Fryers, 2004.

ANSI/ UL 1046, Standard for Grease Filters for Exhaust Ducts, 2010, revised 2012.

UL Subject 2162, Outline of Investigation for Commercial Wood-Fired Baking Ovens - Refractory Type ,2014.

UL Subject 2728, Outline of Investigation for Pellet Fuel Burning Cooking Appliances, Withdrawn 2009.

B.2 Informational References.

The following documents or portions thereof are listed here as informational resources only. They are not apart of the requirements of this document.

Ackland, P., Inspection Manual for Commercial Kitchen Exhaust Systems, 2001. ISBN 0-968160-4-6. PhilAckland, P.O. Box 856, Summerland, BC V0H 1Z0.

Ackland, P., Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning and Certification Manual, 2003. ISBN 0-9681760-70. Phil Ackland,P.O. Box 856, Summerland, BC V0H 1Z0.

American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE), “KitchenVentilation,” Chapter 33 in Heating, Ventilating, and Air-Conditioning Applications, Atlanta: ASHRAE, 2011.

Carson, W. G., and R. L. Klinker, Fire Protection Systems: Inspection, Test and Maintenance Manual, 4thedition, Quincy, MA: NFPA, 2012.

Cote, A. E., ed., “Ventilation of Commercial Cooking Operations,” Chapter 12.9 in Fire ProtectionHandbook, 19th edition, Quincy, MA: NFPA, 2003.

NFPA 251, Standard Methods of Tests of Fire Resistance of Building Construction and Materials, 2006edition. (Withdrawn)

Gerstler, W. D., “New Rules for Kitchen Exhaust,” ASHRAE Journal, November 2002: 26–33.

Solomon, R. E., ed., “Protection of Commercial Cooking Equipment,” Chapter 55 in Fire and Life SafetyInspection Manual, 8th edition, Quincy, MA: NFPA , 2002.

“Using Extinguishers in Commercial Kitchens.” National Fire Protection Association video, VC72VH,Quincy, MA: NFPA, 2002.

B.3 References for Extracts in Informational Sections.

NFPA 5000 ®, Building Construction and Safety Code ®, 2015 edition.


Referenced current editions.

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First Revision No. 54-NFPA 96-2015 [Section No. B.2]


Submitter Full Name: Aaron Adamczyk

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