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The Dumbest Ideas In Computer Security Marcus J. Ranum CSO, Tenable Network Security, Inc. [email protected] [email protected]

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The Dumbest Ideas In Computer Security

Marcus J. RanumCSO, Tenable Network Security, Inc.

[email protected]@tenablesecurity.com

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Who am I

• CSO of Tenable Network Security– Makes innovative vulnerability detection and

security event management tools– Develops and supports the Nessus

vulnerability scanner project– Works with lots of MSPs and customers

• CyberTrust• V-1 SmartWall• Network Flight Recorder• Trusted Information Systems

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Intro – Who is Tenable?

• We run the Nessus project– More than 85,000 organizations world-wide– We develop 99.9% of the plugins– Develop and test all of Nessus 3– Still do a lot of work on and for Nessus 2

• Enterprise Security Vendor– Single vendor to offer enterprise security

management solutions for:• Vulnerability Management• Compliance Monitoring & Reporting• Security Event Management• Network Behavioral Anomaly Detection• Passive and Active Asset discovery

– More than 500 enterprise customers

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What is Dumb??

Depending on which analysts you believe*the computer security market is billions ofdollars, annually

* never a good idea

1995 1997 2001 2005

$200m

$6 b

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Dumb is Wasting Money

The number of systems penetrated continuesto increase to the point where nobody evencounts, anymore

Source: dept of made-up statistics

1995 1997 2001 2005

some

lots

too many

ridiculouslytoo many

CERT throws inthe towel and stopstracking machines

compromised

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Chartology

Red = bad thingGreen = effort/expense

A chart like this representsa hard-fought but ultimately effective effort

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Chartology

Red = bad thingGreen = effort/expense

A chart like this representsa rear-guard action

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Chartology

Red = bad thingGreen = effort/expense

A chart like this representsa sucking chest-wound

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OK, so what’s wrong?

• Computer security is off-course and has been for a long time– Since the “discovery” of security as a “market”

it’s a big-money business– “Solutions” (I.e.: expen$ive product$) rule

over common sense– Well marketed-to customers continually lurch

from one “complete solution” that doesn’t work to the next

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?

• What are the properties of secure systems?

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Fundamental Security Problems

• Trusted Systems Design• Assurance• Code Quality• Transitive Trust• Authorization v. Authentication

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Trusted System Design

• Understand the components of the system that must be trusted– Compartmentized design– Understand trusted paths in inputs and code

• Top-to-bottom approach– Can’t “secure the network” and not the host– Can’t “secure the host” and not the network– Can’t “secure the data” and not the O/S

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Assurance

• Assurance is the degree of confidence you have that the system functions as it is designed to– (Read Feynman on Challenger disaster)

• Assurance is a property of a system design– It is not an add-on feature to be “built in

later” (Sorry, Microsoft)

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Code Quality

• Code quality is necessary to be assured that a system functions as designed– Software as an engineering discipline– Security and reliability needs to be:

• Factored into design• Considered in code lay-out• Checked in code review• Test in QA• Considered in maintenance

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Transitive Trust

• If A trusts B and B trusts C - A trusts Cand doesn’t know it– indeed A trusts everyone C trusts

• Dealing with transitive trust is a “hard problem” and may not be tractable– Hackers basically ignore transitive trust also

because most systems are so weak transitive trust attacks are unnecessary!

– Smart pen testers use transitive trust

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Authorization V. Authentication

• Authentication: knowing who you are dealing with

• Authorization: knowing what a user is allowed to do

• Many fancy authentication systems (public key, etc) but authorization is a “hard problem”– What do you do when an authorized user

does an inappropriate thing?

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OK, So Life Sucks!

• These are extremely hard (and therefore $$$$) problems to deal with

• What’s the industry’s answer?– Attractive-sounding manure

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A-SB: Antivirus

• Exhaustively list all the viruses on earth– stop them when they get onto your computer

or try to execute

• 175,000 different viruses and spyware*– Fewer than 7,000 commonly-used business

apps*

• Why list the bad stuff? List the goodstuff! (trust-no-exe, program execution control, etc)

* approximately

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A-SB: Intrusion Prevention

• Make a dictionary of “signatures” that match various network-based hacks as they traverse your network– Have a boundary device attempt to detect

them fast enough to block them (put it in-line so it’s a nice single point of failure!)

• This is very similar to antivirus, including how stupid an idea it is

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A-SB: Intrusion Prevention(cont)

• A “new trend” some talk about is “network compartmentalization”*– Identify segments of the network and enforce

separation between them except fro necessary services• I.e.: “database network” only traffic allowed in/out is

oracle to server; backup servers and utility systems are screened

• I.e.: “mail hub - Email only sent/delivered to/from a central port 25/IMAP-SSL server

* New? I have PowerPoint slides from 1989 that teach how to do it...

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A-SB: Outsourcing Security

• Premise: anything that is not a “core competency” should be done by someone else, who can do it cheaper– Problem: If you never develop any knowledge

of the problem how do you know if they are doing a good job?

– You know this: if your business thinks IT is not part of its core business, you’ll be clobbered by an competitor in 10 years*

*exception: gravel pits

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A-SB: Rent-a-hacker

• pen-testing is the exact opposite of assurance by design– tells you one of two things:

• You’re screwed• We don’t know if you’re screwed

– Trying to prove a system can’t be hacked by trying to hack it is attempting to prove a negative• More effective: external design review early and

implementation validation

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The 90’s

• Netscape IPO: the greatest disaster is software history– Demonstrated incontrovertibly that the path to

fortune in silicon valley is to throw shovelwareover the fence

– Triggered “the 10 year beta-test”– Dogmatized as “extreme programming” (I.e.:

“write code now and figure out what you were trying to accomplish later”)

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The 90’s (cont)

• What will it take to turn software development into an engineering discipline? (people who call the nonsense we do today “software engineering” need to be beaten)

• Network engineering and management are the next pain points

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The 2010’s

• The next big frontier is going to be system administration– The death of general-purpose computing

• PDAs become more powerful embedded appliances?• Disposable computing?• Ubiquitous computing?• Operating systems that don’t suck?

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Windows Sys Administration

Time

Systemsunderadmin.

Every man, woman,and child on earth(over the age of 6)will be a Windows

system administrator

• 2020AD: The Infocalypse

2020AD

EarthPopulation

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Summary:

• Danger signs: If you are -– Listing lots of cases of bad stuff– Constantly patching your code– Running networks with open topologies– Running networks with no idea what traffic

crosses them– Ignoring security in design process

… You may be in security hell

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Summary 2:

Remember, it’s always much easier to not do something dumb than it is to do something smart

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QUESTIONS ??

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